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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Kris60 on January 23, 2019, 01:09:47 PM
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I think several years ago I started this exact thread but it was quite a while ago and it’s an interesting topic to me. Fans can typically rattle off a laundry list of botched calls that hurt their team but the list gets much shorter if you ask them to list bad ones that were beneficial. Here are three (two football, one basketball) that come to mind for me.
1. 2005 vs. Louisville- This has become a fairly iconic game in WVU history. The Mountaineers erased a 24-7 4th quarter deficit and went on to win 46-44 in triple OT. It was also sort of the unofficial coming out party for the White/Slaton duo for WVU. But the win may not have happened without a botched call on an onside kick in the 4th. The kick was popped in the air and never touched the ground and the UL kid who tried to field it was hammered by WVU players and the Mountaineers recovered. By rule any kick that doesn’t touch the ground the receiving team has to have an opportunity to field it. A flag was initially thrown but then picked up.
2. 2006 vs. Rutgers.- Another pretty significant win in the Rich Rod era was another triple OT classic against one of the best teams in RU history. But in the 2nd quarter deep in RU territory Steve Slaton appeared to fumble and a RU defender scooped it up and was running by himself to the end zone when whistles blew the play dead. For whatever reason, the play wasn’t reviewed and WVU ran another play. Afterwards, ESPN showed the play again and it was clearly a fumble that should have resulted in a Rutgers TD.
3. 2015 vs.Kansas- Down 61-60 to KU in the final seconds WVU Point Guard Juwan Staten executed a beautiful spin move on a drive to the basket and finished with a layup that proved to be the game winner for the Mountaineers. But one of the reasons it was so pretty was that Staten clearly took 3 steps after picking up his dribble. It should have been a walk and KU ball.
Anyone got any for their teams?
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I'll defer to mcterps
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- Not a singular call, but a series of non-calls in a game that meant little to MSU but everything to Iowa, a BTT Quarterfinal back in maybe like 2014? MSU was the #1 seed and Iowa was the #8 and needed a win to get into the tourney, and they simply didn't call like 4 MSU fouls in the final couple of minutes.
- Another basketball one, MSU-Illinois, the officials went to the monitor and called a common foul on Illinois. It was a foul, but you can't go back and review for a common foul. I think the resulting free throws allowed MSU to cut the deficit from 3 to 1 in the final minute.
- MSU trip of Desmond Howard on a 2 point conversion in 1990 that allowed MSU to upset #1 UM
- Pitt got called for a phantom hold in 2007 that negated a late go ahead TD, that allowed MSU to hold on and win
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I like this topic, but I can't think of examples. Getting away with one doesn't sear itself in the memory the same way getting hosed does.
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vs MSU... WR ran out of bounds and came back for a big play on the drive that ended up winning the game. But I'd never publicly admit it.
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I'll select a different MSU game, 2012. At East Lansing, In a game with a lot of PI calls on both sides. Darqueze Dennard got flagged for it in the final 20 seconds covering Kenny Bell. I had a great vantage standing very low in the sideline section near the 10 yard line. It kept drive alive and Nebraska scores a TD w 6 seconds left to win by 4. T Mart ran wild and threw like shit that day. A normal game I guess. Maxwell was pretty awful too. I think Bell had at least 35 carries.
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Daniel Dufrene definitely fumbled on his long run against OSU in '07.
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I like this topic, but I can't think of examples. Getting away with one doesn't sear itself in the memory the same way getting hosed does.
Roughing the punter doesn't ring a bell?
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Running into the punter does, but that was a good call. A tough one for MSU, but the right one.
Similarly, the Kyle Orton fumble that Scott Starks returned was a touch call for Purdue, but the right one.
I did see some Miami fans thought the Badgers got away with a lot of holding in the 2018 Orange Bowl, but that's not really what this post is about (I don't think).
Hmm, a little googling shows a lot of remarks about Davidson taking/embellishing "charges" in basketball.
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Running into the punter does, but that was a good call. A tough one for MSU, but the right one.
Similarly, the Kyle Orton fumble that Scott Starks returned was a touch call for Purdue, but the right one.
I did see some Miami fans thought the Badgers got away with a lot of holding in the 2018 Orange Bowl, but that's not really what this post is about (I don't think).
Running, yes. I still feel dirty about that one. As for Orton.. Starks had a lot of face mask on that play. Big break there. Screw Miami.
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Similarly, the Kyle Orton fumble that Scott Starks returned was a touch call for Purdue, but the right one.
Cough Cough FACEMASK Cough
For basketball, I can freely admit there have been a few times that Purdue has benefitted from a call. The game @ Michigan last year was a big one (Haas and the Michigan defender were tangled up and the call went against Michigan, could have gone either way). There was also that game in Madison in Robbie Hummel's first or second year where Badger fans swear that Hummel fouled the player going to the basket in the final seconds of the game, but it was a no-call. That was back in that time period where the Badgers NEVER lost in the Kohl Center (though since there was never a call on Krabby's concussion-inducing-elbow-to-the-face of Lewis Jackson, I'll call those two a wash).
In football.....Ummmmmm…..
...Hmmmmmm…..
Has Purdue football ever benefitted from a call that I thought was "getting away with one"?
I don't think that's allowed. :49:
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I'll defer to mcterps
Oh, we have a few. Made me chuckle.
I don't always call out every play, and I know I'm hard on certain calls to the point of rage, but I'm very objective when it comes to officiating believe it or not.
I'll yell, "come on!" at times, only to see a replay and say, "yeah, good call".
You guys just never see that, and I only really remember the bad calls that go against us, but I've seen them.
I've seen more no calls though TBH.
Michigan State the other night....Bruno used his elbow to get around the defender under the rim.
Not sure which football game, but we accidently ran a reverse, and I swear there was a block in the back not called that should have been, and Terps at the game said there were 2 on that play.
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vs MSU... WR ran out of bounds and came back for a big play on the drive that ended up winning the game. But I'd never publicly admit it.
there was visible contact
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UNL NEVER got a good call. MNC's and all. NEVER.
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there has been a few times when I've said, that wasn't a great call but, "I'll Take it"
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The thread is titled terrible calls not terrible no-calls.
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Eh--referees make decisions on every play whether to make or not make a call. A decision not to throw the flag on what is a clear foul to everyone who sees it is a bad call.
Anyway, curious what some of the more flagrantly bad calls are that people remember? Here are a bunch, some of which are more controversial than others...
1) 5th down. I mean, seriously.
2) Oklahoma @ Oregon 2006: the onside kick debacle.
3) Charles White fumble going into the end zone in the 1979 Rose Bowl.
4) "Phantom Clip" in the 1991 Orange Bowl negates game-winning Ismail return.
5) Pass Interference, 2003 Fiesta Bowl. Maybe there was a hold?
6) Miami's "fumble" in the 4th quarter of Catholics vs. Convicts
7) Replay officials overrule ND's Grimes catch at Stanford (2007)
8) Stanford-Cal, "The band is on the field:" Cal player was down; same thing, but more egregious occurred in Miami v. Duke, 2015.
9) Nebraska beats Missouri on the kicked ball (1997) -- any player in that position is going to intentionally kick the ball to try to keep it alive.
Clock issues...
10) 2005 Penn State at Michigan: how much time is on the clock?
11) Wisconsin at Arizona State: officials don't move ASU players off the pile to set the play, allows time to expire. Contrast that with:
12) 2001 Michigan at Michigan State: "Clock-gate"
And some other questionable referee moments.
13) BYU at Washington, 2008, Locker flagged for "celebration" leads to (blocked) 35-yard PAT attempt.
14) I feel like there have been a couple of MSU/Notre Dame games in which Notre Dame benefited from some pretty bad calls. 2013's parade of pass interference calls comes to mind.
15) Nebraska at Penn State, 1982: PSU's receiver clearly out of bounds when making catch, leads to game winning score. And the next year...
16) Alabama at Penn State (1983) Alabama's game-winning TD taken away by referee's call that receiver caught it out of bounds.
17) Syracuse forces overtime against Toledo on PAT that went wide; Syracuse wins in OT (2011).
18) 2008 Hawaii at Fresno State, "running into the kicker" (Sparty, if you want to see an egregious one of these...)
19) 2018 Michigan at Northwestern: "how in the world is that holding?" Or, if you prefer, the "Penalty from Mars."
20) 2018 national championship: Georgia's blocked punt taken away on a phantom offside.
21) 2015 Northwestern at Wisconsin: the referees overturn three Wisconsin touchdowns, two of which were at least highly questionable (the punt return and the pass ruled incomplete).
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I found the OU v Oregon to be the worst this century. As in bad faith not just a bad call.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XiH8mxa-Z0
PSU 1982 vs UNL
...which led to this:
(https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/993/256/karmafield_crop_north.jpg?1353091400&w=630&h=420)
because of this....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O09IUXNZ_Ws
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Not a Touchdown.... (https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.bleacherreport.net%2Fimages_root%2Fslides%2Fphotos%2F000%2F491%2F674%2FNU1993_display_image.jpg%3F1289243514&hash=b4d8fa216eb517cb0955138201737bb1)
From the sideline:
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Oj4AAOSwOnJcEcfp/s-l300.jpg)
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from a KSU perspective....
(https://dataomaha.com/media/husker_history/game-photos/1998-game-11-photo.jpg)
heh..
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silly football player
flak jacket was much too low
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Not a Touchdown.... (https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.bleacherreport.net%2Fimages_root%2Fslides%2Fphotos%2F000%2F491%2F674%2FNU1993_display_image.jpg%3F1289243514&hash=b4d8fa216eb517cb0955138201737bb1)
From the sideline:
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Oj4AAOSwOnJcEcfp/s-l300.jpg)
Of course, Florida State had scored on the prior play, only for it inexplicably not to be called a touchdown. Man, 1993...
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Of course, Florida State had scored on the prior play, only for it inexplicably not to be called a touchdown. Man, 1993...
FAKE NEWS!!!!!
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Of course, Florida State had scored on the prior play, only for it inexplicably not to be called a touchdown. Man, 1993...
never liked makeup calls
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The late hit call on baron miles on dunn on the sideline during FSU final drive was ridiculous.
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Feels like this has turned into people complaining about calls AGAINST their team. We don't doubt that everyone has a long list of those.
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The catch in the 1982 Penn St-Nebraska game is a very early sports memory of mine.
My dad (who loathed Penn St) lost his mind when they showed the replay and it really was an egregiously bad call. I remember him saying “I swear they get more home cooking than any team in the country.”
On another note, I love how the thread didn’t even make it to the second page before people couldn’t take it anymore and turned the topic to something they are much more interested and comfortable in talking about.
Calls that hurt their team. Lol. Fandom is great.
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Need Gatorama’s help on this one but back when I was a much bigger Gators fan there was a 2006 Outback Bowl Vs Iowa where the Hawkeyes were making a big comeback. I believe UF was up 31-24 with Iowa lining up for an onside with less than a minute left. Iowa recovered the kick but the refs ruled that it hadn’t gone far enough, thus awarding the ball to Florida who promptly killed the remaining clock. Replay showed the kick had gone far enough.
Edit: found the ending on YouTube and the call that awarded Florida the ball was an offsides on Chad Greenway that replay showed wasn’t worth calling.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YzIoQOWKRag (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YzIoQOWKRag)
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Need Gatorama’s help on this one but back when I was a much bigger Gators fan there was a 2006 Outback Bowl Vs Iowa where the Hawkeyes were making a big comeback. I believe UF was up 31-24 with Iowa lining up for an onside with less than a minute left. Iowa recovered the kick but the refs ruled that it hadn’t gone far enough, thus awarding the ball to Florida who promptly killed the remaining clock. Replay showed the kick had gone far enough.
Edit: found the ending on YouTube and the call that awarded Florida the ball was an offsides on Chad Greenway that replay showed wasn’t worth calling.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YzIoQOWKRag (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YzIoQOWKRag)
LOL I remember that! And Spielman going crazy on the refs.
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I’ll make a category of calls I don’t know were blown, but the opponent probably felt was.
Let’s go with the time Wisconsin rallied from down 12 with 8 minutes to go in the big ten title game. They shot 12 of their 37 free throws in a 65-63 game and I think Izzo wanted to commit murder at the end.
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5) Pass Interference, 2003 Fiesta Bowl. Maybe there was a hold?
6) Miami's "fumble" in the 4th quarter of Catholics vs. Convicts
8) Miami v. Duke, 2015.
9) Nebraska beats Missouri on the kicked ball (1997) -- any player in that position is going to intentionally kick the ball to try to keep it alive.
10) 2005 Penn State at Michigan: how much time is on the clock?
12) 2001 Michigan at Michigan State: "Clock-gate"
14) I feel like there have been a couple of MSU/Notre Dame games in which Notre Dame benefited from some pretty bad calls. 2013's parade of pass interference calls comes to mind.
15) Nebraska at Penn State, 1982: PSU's receiver clearly out of bounds when making catch, leads to game winning score. And the next year...
16) Alabama at Penn State (1983) Alabama's game-winning TD taken away by referee's call that receiver caught it out of bounds.
I included a couple where Notre Dame got away with one. Here's another that wasn't a "terrible" call, but I bet Stanford fans still don't like it: (2012 v. Stanford, OT goal line stand)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=28&v=vQwQUklgo6I
There are OSU, MSU, PSU, Michigan, Nebraska, and Miami fans here...any of these meaningful to you? Are these ones your team got away with and you know it?
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Another MSU one I just thought of.
MSU was playing Florida Gulf Coast, and was winning by 1, FGCU threw a full court pass with like 2 second to go, but the clock started on the throw, not the catch, so the buzzer sounded as the FGCU player caught the ball, and he just heaved it at the rim. He actually had 2 seconds, and caught it in the paint, so he would have had time to collect and take a shot, a la Christian Laettner. They should have said inadvertent horn before the play, and just redone it, which still would have somewhat screwed FGCU because it's unlikely they complete that pass again, but at least it's something. Instead they said the play counted, and the missed shot ended the game, since the ball deflected out into play and the 2 seconds would have then run off. Except the kid wouldn't have taken that forced shot if he hadn't been tricked by the incorrect buzzer.
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In the infamous 13-9 loss to Pitt that cost WVU a shot at the National Championship LaSean McCoy scored a TD late in the game that basically would have put it out of reach for WVU.
They called it back on a phantom hold that was simply terrible. It was the first (and only) time in my life I felt like officials might be trying to help WVU win.