If I was a head coach and a guy entered it without me having any clue about it, I'd question my abilities as a coach.But that’s not how it works.
Is it just me, or is this Fields kid just expecting the world do whatever he wants? Goes to UGA, expects to get PT over a guy who took them to the playoff? Doesn't' beat him out, so wants to take his ball and leave after one year........and wants to be immediately eligible??Talented people are often granted much leeway. That is unfortunately too a factor in life.
'Scuse me, kiddo.....that's not how life works.
Is it just me, or is this Fields kid just expecting the world do whatever he wants? Goes to UGA, expects to get PT over a guy who took them to the playoff? Doesn't' beat him out, so wants to take his ball and leave after one year........and wants to be immediately eligible??Are you suggesting that you don't find his grievance to be legit?
'Scuse me, kiddo.....that's not how life works.
But that’s not how it works.A kid can go to his coach, but doesn't necessarily have to. But that isn't my point - a coach should be aware enough of his players that he would know what their future holds at the school and why they might want to transfer. It isn't as if transfers are bad things - lots and lots of people transfer schools that have nothing to do with sports. It would be dumb to think a kid would make a decision at 18 that he will automatically still be happy with at age 22. But the football coach should have a handle on these things, at least indirectly.
Kid goes to school, school puts name in.
So the coach will know. They might get blindsided by the request, but it doesn’t happen without a coach knowing.
A kid can go to his coach, but doesn't necessarily have to. But that isn't my point - a coach should be aware enough of his players that he would know what their future holds at the school and why they might want to transfer. It isn't as if transfers are bad things - lots and lots of people transfer schools that have nothing to do with sports. It would be dumb to think a kid would make a decision at 18 that he will automatically still be happy with at age 22. But the football coach should have a handle on these things, at least indirectly.Ahh, misunderstood what you meant
Are you suggesting that you don't find his grievance to be legit?His grievance isn’t legit. At all.
The NCAA is considering a new rule that would reduce the number of graduate transfers in football and basketball.Boooo, BOOOOO
https://collegefootball.ap.org/huskermax/article/slow-flow-grad-transfers-ncaa-could-constrain-schools (https://collegefootball.ap.org/huskermax/article/slow-flow-grad-transfers-ncaa-could-constrain-schools)
I don't have any issue with what Fields did. I would have recommended that to him personally. I suppose no one was quite sure how good Fromm would be at the time.Anyone would be good when their RBs run for 6 ypc in a run-first offense.
So wait.. we can have a kid who GRADUATES (the goal in college) and penalize him, but Michigan and OSU and whoever else can get waivers for free agent QB's because they didn't like their old school??I'd rather limit waivers/free agents than graduates, but if you've attained your goal in college and have your degree in hand, because of a scholarship at that particular university,........... wouldn't it be nice to also finish your athletic commitment to the university that held up their end of the bargain with a "free" education (degree)?? ??
Anyone would be good when their RBs run for 6 ypc in a run-first offense.Yeah, but Fromm was VERY good. He might be a little more complementary than a guy like fields, but he’s superb at that.
2017 top 3 UGA RBs' ypc:
6.0
7.9
7.6
2018 top 3 UGA RBs' ypc:
6.4
6.4
5.9
I'd rather limit waivers/free agents than graduates, but if you've attained your goal in college and have your degree in hand, because of a scholarship at that particular university,........... wouldn't it be nice to also finish your athletic commitment to the university that held up their end of the bargain with a "free" education (degree)?? ??It would be nice.
Whole situation getting messierSteele is a guy whom OU tried to recruit, and the story you linked is the story I saw on an OU message board earlier today.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/in-latest-blow-to-florida-football-program-5-star-db-chris-steele-opts-to-transfer-170745599.html (https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/in-latest-blow-to-florida-football-program-5-star-db-chris-steele-opts-to-transfer-170745599.html)
the Huskers are in need of an ILBHe's from Maryland, a position of need, and isn't taking calls.
not near his home, but an opportunity to start immediately
Adulthood is like that.Yep. With adulthood come responsibilities and consequences for one's choices.
Don't the vast majority of kids who enter the portal without finding a new destination just ... stay? I'm pretty sure there aren't rules against staying in that case. Entering the portal doesn't void one's LOI. And if they signed 4-year contracts, they can't be booted.Correct, but in those cases the employee doesn't have to publicly post their openness to a forum that their own employer also is a member to.
In that sense, entering the portal isn't any different than applying for a new job while already employed. Many people do that without any plan to leave unless they get an unexpectedly big bite.
On returning or not.. that is completely up to the player and coaches. 99 times out of 100, the player is gone.It seems neither of us are reporting the actual numbers. I do doubt the rate of "portal returnees" is literally 1%.
Correct, but in those cases the employee doesn't have to publicly post their openness to a forum that their own employer also is a member to.I completely agree. It's complicated and uncomfortable. And may unglue some teams. Of course, the previous system where all the power resided with coaches was complicated and uncomfortable, too. But apologists didn't notice or mind for sake of "tradition" because they liked the feel of amateurism.
They can return, but you have to wonder about the ramifications within the program, particularly considering to even be looking, the kid likely wasn't exceedingly happy with his role prior.
Don't the vast majority of kids who enter the portal without finding a new destination just ... stay? I'm pretty sure there aren't rules against staying in that case. Entering the portal doesn't void one's LOI. And if they signed 4-year contracts, they can't be booted.Most don’t but that’s becuase most are leaving for a reason.
In that sense, entering the portal isn't any different than applying for a new job while already employed. Many people do that without any plan to leave unless they get an unexpectedly big bite.
Yep. With adulthood come responsibilities and consequences for one's choices.So we gotta put four-year scholarships in place?
all this portal does is put the athlete's names out in the open available to the press & public for scrutiny by the fansSort of.
the coaches always found out in the past because they had to grant the scholarship release
this does allow other programs to reach out to athletes to see if they may be interested and a fit for that program w/o contacting the current coach - this simply avoids a few phone calls or emails
all this portal does is put the athlete's names out in the open available to the press & public for scrutiny by the fansThat's all true regarding the transparency, but it's not everything. This also allows players to save a place with their current team while shopping for a new team simultaneously. That flexibility/safety (power shift) for players is just as new as the transparency.
the coaches always found out in the past because they had to grant the scholarship release
this does allow other programs to reach out to athletes to see if they may be interested and a fit for that program w/o contacting the current coach - this simply avoids a few phone calls or emails
So we gotta put four-year scholarships in place?I think most P5 schools already have. My recollection is that this includes 13 of 14 Big Ten schools.
Most don’t but that’s becuase most are leaving for a reason.No doubt. Though to be clear, I was talking about the ones who enter the portal only to genuinely decide they want to stay. More in the vein of Lamont Wade. Though he's a narrow type (obvious talent/starter) and I think this group is broader than his type (including young guys, junior back-ups, any-age role players, and anyone with eligibility and a 4-year contract who's genuinely open to staying).
I think most P5 schools already have. My recollection is that this includes 13 of 14 Big Ten schools.I more meant ones that a staff can’t wriggle out of.
No doubt. Though to be clear, I was talking about the ones who enter the portal only to genuinely decide they want to stay. More in the vein of Lamont Wade. Though he's a narrow type (obvious talent/starter) and I think this group is broader than his type (including young guys, junior back-ups, any-age role players, and anyone with eligibility and a 4-year contract who's genuinely open to staying).In the case of kids who are welcomed back fully, I’m guessing most stay, especially not counting grad transfers.
The ones I'm looking to exclude from this stat (which we could clumsily name "rate of returning from the portal if no one wants you") are
a) non-P5 players,
b) grad transfers, and
c) the classic examples of a kid being squeezed out
Excluding non-P5's, because outside the P5 4-year contracts are rare. Excluding grad transfer attempts and squeeze-outs because those kids may know they can't stay (or would rather leave the sport than stay) before they even enter the portal.
I more meant ones that a staff can’t wriggle out of.My understanding is that if all players had the requisite perseverance (at least a willingness to secure legal counsel and/or take media interviews to discuss what coach said), no coaches would be able to wriggle out of the current contracts (or want to try). This is betting those contracts are already good enough. But the power and knowledge asymmetries in these relationships probably have players just wanting to go with the flow and get these uncomfortable situations over with.
In the case of kids who are welcomed back fully, I’m guessing most stay, especially not counting grad transfers.That's my thought too. My other thought is that even if they are a small group this is the only group relevant to answering questions about whether entering the transfer portal is so poisonous to a team that a coach and player can't go on together. Not that these players' return answers that question unequivocally (our info about them isn't personal enough for that) but because that analysis can't begin until you find the sample set that has all of these:
But they are likely a small group.
My understanding is that if all players had the requisite perseverance (at least a willingness to secure legal counsel and/or take media interviews to discuss what coach said), no coaches would be able to wriggle out of the current contracts (or want to try). This is betting those contracts are already good enough. But the power and knowledge asymmetries in these relationships probably have players just wanting to go with the flow and get these uncomfortable situations over with.This is one of those where the phrasing gets lost in multiquote.
WR Bru McCoy, #9 overall recruit by 247 in 2019, appears to now be transferring back to USC, after already transferring from USC to Texas.Does he take two transfer years? (Kid seems like an odd duck)
He should be at Prom right now, instead he has already transferred twice.
This seems sustainable.
He's from Maryland, a position of need, and isn't taking calls.Done deal. He's A Terp and immediately eligible.
Players seem to think he's Maryland bound, and I heard this when Locksley was hired.
At least on the surface, Ford's hardship is more obvious than was Fields' hardship of not getting enough PT. They had the same lawyer.Ford should’ve claimed someone at Georgia called him a honky and he felt unsafe at Georgia now.
As noted, Fields' sister is still at UGA running track.How do you think it will bite them?
Personally, I think a player who wants to transfer back home should be allowed to do it without sitting. Same with Eason. The bizarre nature of their decisions is going to bite them eventually.
If Ford wanted to play right away, he should have transferred to OSU or Michigan.I think ultimately the NCAA didn't want to touch the Fields case because of race, and believe it or not but Patterson actually had a legitimate argument. The NCAA didn't just approve his waiver either. Every kid that transferred from Ole Miss got the waiver. There was a bunch of them, not just Patterson.
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Why doesn’t the NCAA make coaches sit out who change schools while still under contract?
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Matt FortunaVerified account@Matt_FortunaThe NCAA has denied the waiver request of TE Luke Ford, who transferred from Georgia to Illinois.
Ford, the No. 1 player in the state of Illinois in 2018, must now sit out the 2019…
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Oliver Martin has landed with the Hawkeyes. Iowa is a 3-star school, and just landed a 4-star player. Every little bit helps.I saw an Iowa blog say that Iowa hasn't had a WR catch a pass in the NFL since Kevin Kasper, who played for Ferentz, but was a walk on recruit under Hayden Fry. I know nobody is confusing Iowa for WR U, but I found that stat shocking.
I saw an Iowa blog say that Iowa hasn't had a WR catch a pass in the NFL since Kevin Kasper, who played for Ferentz, but was a walk on recruit under Hayden Fry. I know nobody is confusing Iowa for WR U, but I found that stat shocking.I saw that too. Iowa has had team record setting receivers during the Ferentz era such as Darrell Johnson-Koulianos (sp?), and Marvin McNutt, that never made it in the NFL.
Tim Dwight caught a fewYeah, but he played at Iowa prior to Kasper
Hunter Rison in the transfer portal. I don't see things ending particularly well for him./Bangs same ole drum
/Bangs same ole drumNuh uh. He said it was "mutual"
This is a case where the “portal” is the label that hits every kid that gets tossed from a team.
Judgments will be criticized if the criteria are not clear and concise and unequivocal.Yup.
bad first impression?I dunno. He visited and committed in November last year. Maybe it's too hot this week? Or maybe he just wants to do something else entirely.