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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 04:14:41 PM
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E.g., how many titles will each program have, do you think, in ten years?
OSU 2-5
Michigan 1-2?
Penn State 1-2?
Wisconsin 1-2?
Iowa <1 maybe
Northwestern <1
MSU <1
Field <1?
Of course, we are entering a new era at OSU so the number could be too high.
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You gave a range of 2-5 for OSU, I don't think 2 is very far off, even if the Bucks take a step back.
I'd put PSU 2nd, and Wisconsin 3rd. (I thin M*ch may be a step better than the Badgers, but they have to get past OSU and PSU to get to the title game.
OSU - 3
PSU - 2
Wisc - 2
M*Ch - 1
Neb - 1
Field - 1
With the talent OSU has on the Roster now winning the title 2 out of the next 3 years isn't a ridiculous stretch. Then getting 1 more in the next 7 years seems very doable.
PSU having 5 games in Happy Valley versus the Bucks, should put them in the drivers seat to win the east at least a couple of times.
Unless Nebraska, or anyone in the West can make up the ground Wisconsin is operating at, I could see them winning the west at least half the time, then it's just one game (upset?) from getting the title.
M*ch - has the talent to compete with the other Bigs of the East, but have have a stigma now that makes it seem like a long shot to get past both OSU and PSU in the same year.
Can Frost make Nebraska the Giant in the West? I think that's a bigger wild card than OSU's new coach.
I didn't list MSU on an individual basis, but I think Dantonio is an outstanding coach, and has shown himself capable of getting MSU to Indy, so they very well could get there a couple more times in the next decade.
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Ohio State, Michigan, Penn St, Wisconsin, Nebraska and Michigan St will all win at least one.
Maybe one oddball year goes to the field.
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In the 2010s, with a year to go...
OSU has won 3 (14, 17, 18) and have one vacated (10) and one undefeated season (12).
MSU has won 3 (10, 13, 15)
Wisconsin has won 3 (10, 11, 12)
Penn St has won one (16)
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In the 20ots...
OSU won 6 (02, 05-09)
Michigan won 3 (00, 03, 04)
Penn St won 2 (05, 08)
Iowa won 2 (02, 04)
Illinois won one outright (01)
Purdue and Northwestern won a share in 00 (with Michigan)
Maryland won an ACC Title (01)
Everyone else has zero Conference Titles this millennium including Nebraska and Rutgers in their previous conferences.
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E.g., how many titles will each program have, do you think, in ten years?
OSU 2-5
Michigan 1-2?
Penn State 1-2?
Wisconsin 1-2?
Iowa <1 maybe
Northwestern <1
MSU <1
Field <1?
Of course, we are entering a new era at OSU so the number could be too high.
Too many variables. If Urban Meyer takes over at one of the other Big Ten universities it could throw a monkey wrench into the predictions. I think Ohio State is transitioning. So, here goes:
3 - Ohio St
2 - Nebraska
1 - Wisc.
1 - Penn St
1 - Michigan
1 - Iowa (Hope springs eternal however illogical)
1 - Somebody out of nowhere (Notre Dame? Purdue? Minnesota? MSU?)
MSU is fading. They have two things going on: (1) MSU weakening as Michigan slowly strengthens. (2) Dantonio is aging; he had a heart attack in 2010; he seems older than his chronological age of 62.
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Coaches and Athletic Directors
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MSU is fading. They have two things going on: (1) MSU weakening as Michigan slowly strengthens. (2) Dantonio is aging; he had a heart attack in 2010; he seems older than his chronological age of 62.
I don't think so Sparty and MD weathered some unforeseen storms the past two seasons.If they can hold their own in recruiting they should be just fine.
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Fading from what? 2013-15? That was simply MSU peak. No rational MSU fan thought that was sustainable. The problem is even if they can stay in that 4-7 range overall, that's going to be 4th in their own division if the three helmets are even mildly competent
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The idea of eliminating divisions and having the 2 teams with the 2 best conference records go to the CCG is very appealing to me. I can see this idea building in momentum and the Big Ten finally making that change in the 2022 season..
That could shift a a few more championships to PSU and MSU, but the West never wins the CCG anyway, so it may not cost Wisc or Iowa anymore. Really it should help OSU more often, because it will give OSU more chances to win rematches where they lost the first game.
With that, here are my predictions for 2020-2029
OSU 5
PSU 2
MSU 1
Wisc 1
Iowa 1
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OSU 5
PSU 2
UM 2
Wisc 1
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Which team from "the field" could jump up and shock the world?
I don't know if Iowa or NW count as "the field", both have shown considerable promise, while often coming just short.
Purdue is interesting for obvious reasons. I think the UI teams can be omitted easily, and Minnesota as well. But perhaps a year will happen when the West is "down", kind of like this year, and someone gets an upset in the CG against a good East team.
Maryland? Rutgers? Hard to see that happening. Michigan State could happen.
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the boat rowing, oar dipping Gophers finished well this season with a VERY young team
they could shock the conference in a few years
I'm hoping and praying the Frost can shock Husker Nation, but there is much work to do
Brohm staying in the conference speaks well of what he feels he can accomplish at Purdue
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Obviously anyone can emerge from the West on any given year. Particularly with unbalanced crossover schedules.
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Illinois?
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Yes. Even Illinois.
Among the B1G West, only Iowa and Wisconsin have more recent Conference Titles than the Illini.
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So, you're saying there's a CHANCE?
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None.
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none while Lovie is in charge
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At least possibly, Illinois gets some big donor who starts writing checks and swinging his D around and gets changes made. It could happen in ten years. We've seen programs like Baylor go from nothing to substantial in a decade.
It's not very likely.
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Depends on what you mean by jump up? Have sustained top end success like Wisconsin? Or even a few years of elite like MSU? I think Maryland is best postioned if they can get out of their own way. Obviously the path is clearer in the West. So I'll go a little off the board and say Illinois' with the right coach. There is plenty of talent, but they can't he star struck. Do what Wisconsin and MSU did and build up with 3* kids. No offense, but the big recruits who choose Illinois right now over better options, may not be the kids right for the job. (Sort of my thoughts on the 5* kids choosing UM over Bama or Clemson or OSU, but that's for a different thread)
But just looking at built in geogrpahical advantages and lack of in state competition, the fact that Illinois and Maryland lag behind MSU, Wisconsin and Iowa makes no sense. So if I'm going off the board, I'll pick that to correct itself.
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Having sneaky great seasons among a sea of outright mediocrity has sorta been the Illini's MO this century.
So far this Millennium they have only twice won more than seven games.
The first time resulted in an outright Big Ten Title, and the other time they went to the Rose Bowl.
The Huskers, by comparison, have zero Conference Titles since 1999.
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thanks
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Illinois is a basketball school and they can't even be good at that. That program is run about the same as the entire state. Laughingstock all around.
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Would your guess in 2008 have been decently close?
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MSU's emergence was unexpected.
Wisconsin, OSU and PSU would have been easy to predict, by merely extending the trends that had developed by the late 20-ots.