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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on December 01, 2018, 12:10:04 AM
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President George HW Bush dead at age 94.
Figure maybe Presidents deserve more than the general obit thread
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A lifetime of service, a great American. RIP
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My Dad was a Secret Service agent for 25 years and spent more time with GHWB and Barbara than any other protectees in his career, mostly during the 80s. He was very fond of them. We have a family photo with the First family when my Dad was retiring from the USSS when I was a teenager. I was in awe that day. Rip.
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RIP to President Bush
And Marq-- wow, that's really cool! Thanks to your dad for his service.
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In stark contrast to the occupant today, a very classy man and a true president.
All of America mourns this evening.
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A true American. RIP GHW.
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RIP to a great President. Served his country in combat, risked his life, and seemed to be an honest guy whatever your politics.
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His 1988 campaign was really the first election I was aware of. I was 9.
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RIP
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RIP to a great President. Served his country in combat, risked his life, and seemed to be an honest guy whatever your politics.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS RIP GHWB
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My Dad was a Secret Service agent for 25 years and spent more time with GHWB and Barbara than any other protectees in his career, mostly during the 80s. He was very fond of them. We have a family photo with the First family when my Dad was retiring from the USSS when I was a teenager. I was in awe that day. Rip.
That's awesome stuff.
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In stark contrast to the occupant today, a very classy man and a true president.
All of America mourns this evening.
President Donald Trump says he expressed his “best wishes” to the Bush family Saturday after the death of former President George H.W. Bush.
Trump says he spoke with former President George W. Bush and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush to express his sympathies. He praised the elder Bush, who died Friday, as “a high-quality man who truly loved his family.”
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His 1988 campaign was really the first election I was aware of. I was 9.
Same here, on both accounts.
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Same for me, almost... I was 10 by election time that year, but was 9 until July.
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youngsters
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My Dad spent all of 88 campaign w Dem.candidates. missed a lot of birthdays and little league games those campaign years.
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Don't remember his election, I was only 4, but he's the first President I remember while in office.
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BASEBALL: As a first baseman and captain of his baseball team at Yale University, Bush played in the first-ever College World Series in 1947. His team lost to the University of California. Yale again reached the College World Series finals in 1948 and this time lost to Southern California. Sparky Anderson, who would win the World Series as manager of the Cincinnati Reds and Detroit Tigers, was a batboy on the Southern Cal team.
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President Donald Trump says he expressed his “best wishes” to the Bush family Saturday after the death of former President George H.W. Bush.
Trump says he spoke with former President George W. Bush and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush to express his sympathies. He praised the elder Bush, who died Friday, as “a high-quality man who truly loved his family.”
So what?
That corrupt little man's words are hollow.
I remember winning a Presidential Fitness award, before it was evil to impress upon young kids the benefit of health and wellness, while Reagan was president. I still remember watching the Oliver North trial. Corruption a flowin'.....
I thought everyone in here was 60+ years old.
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My Dad was a Secret Service agent for 25 years and spent more time with GHWB and Barbara than any other protectees in his career, mostly during the 80s. He was very fond of them. We have a family photo with the First family when my Dad was retiring from the USSS when I was a teenager. I was in awe that day. Rip.
That's awesome!
RIP
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RIP to a great President. Served his country in combat, risked his life, and seemed to be an honest guy whatever your politics.
He was a politician and made calculated political decisions. Some felt more politically calculating (and ickier) than others.
But--he was a genuinely well-meaning person in the mold of the type of leaders most of us hope for. You can't take politics out of politicians, but politicians who are in it for the right reasons are what we need. '92 was my first election as a voter and I didn't vote for him, but he was in it for the right reasons and was a truly great American.
Almost certainly one of the better one-term Presidents--and better than many two-termers.
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His 1988 campaign was really the first election I was aware of. I was 9.
Me too. I was 8. Will never forget the infamous Willie Horton ads.
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Me too. I was 8. Will never forget the infamous Willie Horton ads.
I share the same experiences as many of you. I was in junior high. We followed the election, made reports about the candidates, and even had a little class vote.
I also received the presidential fitness award from Raegan. I thought that was so cool.
Sadly the first president my kids will probably remember is trump.
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Don't remember his election, I was only 4, but he's the first President I remember while in office.
same. i remember being terrified about the oil crisis and iraq war while listening to my parents discuss it.
also, saw it after i got a little older, but the snl bits with dana carvey impersonating him are some of my favorites. love that he got into it and had fun with it.
RIP
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I didn't realize how young some a lot of you guys are. Get off my lawn.
RIP President Bush
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Proud to say I voted for him two times. Yeah, I'm from Chicago, but the two times were not in the same election cycle.
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Proud to say I voted for him two times. Yeah, I'm from Chicago, but the two times were not in the same election cycle.
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I only got to vote for him once, when he lost to the saxophone player. Too bad.
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He lost to Clinton, but you can bet Ross Perot had a big hand in it (very likely taking more Bush votes than Clinton ones). His son took advantage of that the other way around when Nader took way more of Gore's potential votes in Florida.
And so the world turns.
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It's funny, the first election I remember was '92, I was 8. I remember asking my parents who they were voting for, they wouldn't tell me. Finally they sat me down, you would have thought something died. They wanted to tell me who they voted for, and why, because they thought it was important, but that I absolutely couldn't speak about it to anyone, it was private.
Contrast that to today when I know, loudly, who everybody voted for. Granted the nationalization of platforms also means most people vote straight ticket, even if they pretend they don't, since all the candidates look the same on the issues.
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I'm not sure everyone loudly decrees who they're voting for. Or at least, not to their kids.
My kids are 9 and 11 now, so the 2016 presidential election was the first one where our kids were really aware of the election and wanted to talk about it. It was also, obviously, a highly controversial bill of candidates, so it garnered even more attention, even locally. But although we discussed the candidates and the issues in the 2016 election, we didn't tell our kids who we voted for. I told them what issues were important to me and why, and how the parties and candidates lined up on them, but didn't tell them who I voted for. I want them to be independent and make up their own minds, and I want it to start right now.
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It's funny, the first election I remember was '92, I was 8. I remember asking my parents who they were voting for, they wouldn't tell me. Finally they sat me down, you would have thought something died. They wanted to tell me who they voted for, and why, because they thought it was important, but that I absolutely couldn't speak about it to anyone, it was private.
Contrast that to today when I know, loudly, who everybody voted for. Granted the nationalization of platforms also means most people vote straight ticket, even if they pretend they don't, since all the candidates look the same on the issues.
I wouldn't tell you who I voted for in 2016 or a month ago, but 30 years ago? Doesn't matter at all, anymore, because the party "stances" are so damn different than they were then. Everything is different now.
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I'm not sure everyone loudly decrees who they're voting for. Or at least, not to their kids.
My kids are 9 and 11 now, so the 2016 presidential election was the first one where our kids were really aware of the election and wanted to talk about it. It was also, obviously, a highly controversial bill of candidates, so it garnered even more attention, even locally. But although we discussed the candidates and the issues in the 2016 election, we didn't tell our kids who we voted for. I told them what issues were important to me and why, and how the parties and candidates lined up on them, but didn't tell them who I voted for. I want them to be independent and make up their own minds, and I want it to start right now.
we did something similar with my oldest, who's now 10 (got a 7, 4 and 0 yo as well, they don't care yet). we discussed with her the major issues as we saw it, why we leaned one way or the other, and who we liked over the others.
but we went ahead and told her who we were going to vote for and why. we also told her who was likely to win and why.
in this midterm election, me and my wife voted for different people on a few things, and we told our kids why we did and that they would have to make up their minds like both of us did. and it's ok to have different opinions on things.
i don't understand keeping it a secret, though i loathe people who boast about it non-stop. but it frustrates me when people i respect won't discuss it with me because it's private. i fully respect their privacy, but i wish we could discuss views and why we might differ. i'm willing to change my mind if i can hear a convincing argument.
or rather, i have a damn good argument and you need to hear about it. :)
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Proud to say I voted for him two times. Yeah, I'm from Chicago, but the two times were not in the same election cycle.
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Yeah, but you're from Chicago, so "you" probably also voted several times for both Dukakis and Clinton, just without your knowledge :57:
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I'm not sure everyone loudly decrees who they're voting for. Or at least, not to their kids.
My kids are 9 and 11 now, so the 2016 presidential election was the first one where our kids were really aware of the election and wanted to talk about it. It was also, obviously, a highly controversial bill of candidates, so it garnered even more attention, even locally. But although we discussed the candidates and the issues in the 2016 election, we didn't tell our kids who we voted for. I told them what issues were important to me and why, and how the parties and candidates lined up on them, but didn't tell them who I voted for. I want them to be independent and make up their own minds, and I want it to start right now.
there were all kids of stories, tweets or FB posts about kids crying when Trump was elected. I even read a story about a school who was going to help students adjust to the news.
It appears to me there is an increase in parents sharing their concerns with young kids and creating unnecessary stress, crying, etc...
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Heh. Me and my dead grandpas. anyway.. a question.
Is it a state or national thing where you have to register as a "democrat" or "republican" to vote in the primaries? That is what we have to do here, and I absolutely hate it. Is it like this everywhere?
And yes, RIP Mr. President. We don't mean to mess up your thread.
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there were all kids of stories, tweets or FB posts about kids crying when Trump was elected. I even read a story about a school who was going to help students adjust to the news.
I see much more evidence that parents are sharing their concerns with young kids and creating unnecessary stress, crying, etc...
I'd point you to my nieces' book face pages to offer some exhibits. They were distraught and all that stuff, and then anger set in with the "not my president" stuff. Then they got to sharing and all that stuff.
One of my sons (both pretty much center-right) posted on their pages last month. It was a red sign, with white letters that read "not my house". I just had to laugh. I'm not getting involved in that stuff.
Kids these days are gonna cause a civil war. I'm just glad we're not going out there (LA) for Christmas this year...
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Heh. Me and my dead grandpas. anyway.. a question.
Is it a state or national thing where you have to register as a "democrat" or "republican" to vote in the primaries? That is what we have to do here, and I absolutely hate it. Is it like this everywhere?
And yes, RIP Mr. President. We don't mean to mess up your thread.
state by state. i'm not a fan of it either but i understand why they do it. even still, i'm not sure it serves the intended purpose.
from wiki:
- Closed primary. People may vote in a party's primary only if they are registered members of that party prior to election day. Independents cannot participate. Note that because some political parties name themselves independent, the terms "non-partisan" or "unaffiliated" often replace "independent" when referring to those who are not affiliated with a political party. Eleven states – Delaware, Florida, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, District of Columbia, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, Pennsylvania, and Wyoming – have closed primaries.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_election#cite_note-State_Primary_Election_Types-4)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_election#cite_note-Bowman-2012-5)
- Semi-closed. As in closed primaries, registered party members can vote only in their own party's primary. Semi-closed systems, however, allow unaffiliated voters to participate as well. Depending on the state, independents either make their choice of party primary privately, inside the voting booth, or publicly, by registering with any party on Election Day. Fourteen states – Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_election#cite_note-6), Oregon, Rhode Island, Utah, and West Virginia – have semi-closed primaries that allow voters to register or change party preference on election day.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_election#cite_note-Bowman-2012-5)[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_election#cite_note-7)
- Open primary. A registered voter may vote in any party primary regardless of his or her own party affiliation. Eleven states - Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Hawaii, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, Vermont, and Wisconsin - have open primaries.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_election#cite_note-State_Primary_Election_Types-4) When voters do not register with a party before the primary, it is called a pick-a-party primary because the voter can select which party's primary he or she wishes to vote in on election day. Because of the open nature of this system, a practice known as raiding (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_raiding) may occur. Raiding consists of voters of one party crossing over (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover_voting) and voting in the primary of another party, effectively allowing a party to help choose its opposition's candidate. The theory is that opposing party members vote for the weakest candidate of the opposite party in order to give their own party the advantage in the general election. An example of this can be seen in the 1998 Vermont senatorial primary with the nomination of Fred Tuttle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Tuttle) as the Republican candidate in the general election[citation needed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)].
- Semi-open. A registered voter need not publicly declare which political party's primary that they will vote in before entering the voting booth. When voters identify themselves to the election officials, they must request a party's specific ballot. Only one ballot is cast by each voter. In many states with semi-open primaries, election officials or poll workers from their respective parties record each voter's choice of party and provide access to this information. The primary difference between a semi-open and open primary system is the use of a party-specific ballot. In a semi-open primary, a public declaration in front of the election judges is made and a party-specific ballot given to the voter to cast. Certain states that use the open-primary format may print a single ballot and the voter must choose on the ballot itself which political party's candidates they will select for a contested office.
- Blanket primary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanket_primary). A primary in which the ballot is not restricted to candidates from one party.
- Nonpartisan blanket primary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonpartisan_blanket_primary). A primary in which the ballot is not restricted to candidates from one party, where the top two candidates advance to the general election regardless of party affiliation. Louisiana has famously operated under this system, which has been nicknamed the "jungle primary." California has used a nonpartisan blanket primary since 2012 after passing Proposition 14 in 2010 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_14_(2010)), and the state of Washington has used a nonpartisan blanket primary since 2008.
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In some of those states people register as the opposite party so that they can interfere with the competition instead of helping their own "team"
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there were all kids of stories, tweets or FB posts about kids crying when Trump was elected. I even read a story about a school who was going to help students adjust to the news.
It appears to me there is an increase in parents sharing their concerns with young kids and creating unnecessary stress, crying, etc...
kids are simply too young and ignorant to realize they are republicans
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How do we know it was the parents, and not the teachers?
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How do we know it was the parents, and not the teachers?
Good and valid question, and this is probably where we need to hit a stopping point, I'm afraid.
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- Nonpartisan blanket primary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonpartisan_blanket_primary). A primary in which the ballot is not restricted to candidates from one party, where the top two candidates advance to the general election regardless of party affiliation. Louisiana has famously operated under this system, which has been nicknamed the "jungle primary." California has used a nonpartisan blanket primary since 2012 after passing Proposition 14 in 2010 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_14_(2010)), and the state of Washington has used a nonpartisan blanket primary since 2008.
Yeah. Annoying. Apparently they got too upset that Republicans were getting on the ballot and not giving two Democrats to choose from, so they changed the rules.
This year for Governor we actually got a Democrat and a Republican on the ballot, but for Senate it was Democrat vs Democrat. Lieutenant Governor was also Democrat vs Democrat.
It's like the Blues Brothers...
Jake: What kind of music do you normally have here?
Lady: Oh, we got both kinds. Country and Western!
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I'm not sure everyone loudly decrees who they're voting for. Or at least, not to their kids.
My kids are 9 and 11 now, so the 2016 presidential election was the first one where our kids were really aware of the election and wanted to talk about it. It was also, obviously, a highly controversial bill of candidates, so it garnered even more attention, even locally. But although we discussed the candidates and the issues in the 2016 election, we didn't tell our kids who we voted for. I told them what issues were important to me and why, and how the parties and candidates lined up on them, but didn't tell them who I voted for. I want them to be independent and make up their own minds, and I want it to start right now.
That might be an age thing. Social media posts are 99% political at this point, and usually just posting of articles, usually consistently from the same site. Not that people would ever formulate their own opinion on anything. News media on both sides is nothing but opinions now, to the point most people aren't actually even formulating their opinions from facts, they are formulating their opinions from opinions. I had a Civil War professor in college who said he was fighting a losing battle in academia about the overuse of secondary sources in historical research. If you are just cobbling together various opinions to come up with your own, have you actually created anything new?
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I wouldn't tell you who I voted for in 2016 or a month ago, but 30 years ago? Doesn't matter at all, anymore, because the party "stances" are so damn different than they were then. Everything is different now.
That wasn't aimed at you, simply that your post reminded me of my biggest takeaway from that election, and that was that discussion with my parents.
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I didn't know my Dad's politics until I was off to college and he had retired from the USSS. I suppose that was by design. He had a job to do and it didn't matter which letter was next to his or her name. We talked about it at the table, my Mom was more of an open book on the subject, but it certainly wasn't a card to be played, virtuously or otherwise in our household or in front of others.
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That might be an age thing. Social media posts are 99% political at this point, and usually just posting of articles, usually consistently from the same site. Not that people would ever formulate their own opinion on anything. News media on both sides is nothing but opinions now, to the point most people aren't actually even formulating their opinions from facts, they are formulating their opinions from opinions. I had a Civil War professor in college who said he was fighting a losing battle in academia about the overuse of secondary sources in historical research. If you are just cobbling together various opinions to come up with your own, have you actually created anything new?
Amen.
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Social media posts are 99% political at this point, and usually just posting of articles, usually consistently from the same site.
Oh, and shared not based on what's in the article, but just purely based on the headline. Half the time [or more] they haven't even read the article.
I'm still officially a Facebook member, but I now refuse to log in and only use it for Messenger. I can't log in without wanting to punch my friends [from either side of the aisle] for being so stupid and lazy.
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Wow...this shit turned fast.
There's a cesspool section for the sycophantic Trump supporters already.
It's at the bottom of the boards. In the cellar, where all the conspiracy theorists and wannabe "patriots" hang out.
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It's been interesting to watch this whole process from a reaction side. When someone dies, we focus on the good, especially in light of where discourse is. It's interesting to review the man in full. There was some good, some objectively bad. Even if you didn't like his politics, he rounded into a mostly approved of figure by the end.
I was in kindergarten when he failed to win reelection. We had a "vote" in the class. I voted for him because the name sounded good for some reason. Then I realized everyone else voted other ways, so I just didn't raise my hand when they asked. That might be my most vivid memory of the man.
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Oh, and shared not based on what's in the article, but just purely based on the headline. Half the time [or more] they haven't even read the article.
I'm still officially a Facebook member, but I now refuse to log in and only use it for Messenger. I can't log in without wanting to punch my friends [from either side of the aisle] for being so stupid and lazy.
To a degree, I think this is the endgame of something that started long ago.
We started wearing away faith in certain institutions and expertise. Some we should've been more skeptical of, but the way the skepticism has come through has been less than helpful. Some of that was shaped, often with intent. (I think one particular media force set the table for it in a lot of ways, and is still doing it the most effectively)
And there's not much way to put that toothpaste back in the tube.
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Yeah. Annoying. Apparently they got too upset that Republicans were getting on the ballot and not giving two Democrats to choose from, so they changed the rules.
This year for Governor we actually got a Democrat and a Republican on the ballot, but for Senate it was Democrat vs Democrat. Lieutenant Governor was also Democrat vs Democrat.
It's like the Blues Brothers...
Jake: What kind of music do you normally have here?
Lady: Oh, we got both kinds. Country and Western!
To be fair, most of our statewide general elections are still between a Republican and a Democrat. The front runner from each party is generally still one of the top two vote getters in the primary.
Also, sometimes people in closed-primary states register for a different party because they want a particular person in that party to win. I've done it. I've re-registered so that I could vote for the person I thought would be best--who wasn't a member of the party I normally associate with. I don't see anything wrong with that, but maybe the party purists do.
I always knew who my parents voted for--and it wasn't always the same person. SFIrish and I are pretty well aligned on this stuff, but not always. Since our kids have been old enough to understand/care, we've talked with them about who we voted for (in the big elections) and why.
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2 "real" choices for important state and federal offices. 50 choices for Miss America.
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To be fair, most of our statewide general elections are still between a Republican and a Democrat. The front runner from each party is generally still one of the top two vote getters in the primary.
Also, sometimes people in closed-primary states register for a different party because they want a particular person in that party to win. I've done it. I've re-registered so that I could vote for the person I thought would be best--who wasn't a member of the party I normally associate with. I don't see anything wrong with that, but maybe the party purists do.
I get the idea. They want to have the two most popular candidates in the general election, and sometimes [particularly in a state like CA where one party is dominant], that might be two candidates from the same party. Essentially it gives more of a chance of a competitive race than you'll see if it's D vs R.
However, I don't like it for two reasons:
- Similar to discussions of the CFP, if you're not your own party's champion [i.e. "best team"], how can you claim to then be capable of beating your own party's candidate again in a rematch? You lose the primary, obviously you're not the party's preferred candidate. Yet you then make it onto the final ballot.
- It further marginalized third parties. Not that they're going to win, but I'd rather they at least be on the ballot in November, if only for the purposes of protest votes. This would be more akin to the one-bid leagues in the NCAA tourney. Yeah, they're not going to win, but they at least get an invite to the dance.
In all honesty, I don't care that much. California is what it is, and not likely to change no matter how many parties are on the ballot. But I think the optics of it suck.
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The first President I remember was Kennedy; I was in the 3rd grade when he was assassinated. No one really talked about the elections much until my senior year in high school which was the first year 18 years could vote (my birthday, alas, was the day after the election). My government class (taught by a guy from Australia of all things) held a mock vote and the entire class voted for Nixon - which was kinda sad since I lived in South Dakota and none of us voted for McGovern. We never really discussed the issues in government class but had weekly debates in American History class. I don't think a single one of my classmates discussed politics with their parents but we were sure opinionated about current events, including the American Indian Movement, Wounded Knee, the draft, and of course Vietnam. Somehow, all the politicking turned me off of elections and the first one I really participated in was Carter's election.
Having been raised to never talk about religion or politics, to this day, I still avoid conversations about either one. I complain a lot about politicians but I figure if I vote, I have the right to complain. If I don't vote, I should just shut up.
Our current President is the only one that I think is not trying to do his best for his country - Bush Sr may not have been my ideal leader, but I think at least he tried to do what he thought was best. So, RIP President Bush