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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: medinabuckeye1 on November 19, 2018, 08:17:25 AM
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Six of the eight divisional races are decided while the other two come down to rivalry games where the winner goes to the CG (in both cases one team has already clinched a share but that is mostly irrelevant because the winner of the game goes to the CG). Then there is the free-for-all in the B12:
ACC: The ACCCG is set, Clemson vs Pittsburgh.
SEC: The SECCG is set, Bama vs Georgia.
P12:
For weeks I have been referring to the PAC-S as the "messiest division in the P5". It was, but then Utah won while USC and both Arizona schools were losing last week and now that one is settled.
P12-S: Utah
P12-N: WSU has clinched a share but the winner of the Apple Cup will play Utah in the P12CG.
B1G:
B1G-W: Northwestern
B1G-E: Michigan has clinched a share but the winner of THE GAME will play Northwestern in the B1GCG.
B12:
This is now the complicated one.
Oklahoma/West Virginia play this Friday in Morgantown and the winner goes to the B12CG. The loser is out unless Kansas upsets Texas. Note, Texas controls their own destiny because with a win over Kansas they go to the B12CG regardless of what happens in the OU/WVU game. Thus, all three teams (OU, WVU, TX) control their own destiny. Here is what everybody needs:
- 7-1 Oklahoma: In win a win. If they lose they can still get to the B12CG but only if Texas loses at Kansas.
- 6-2 West Virginia: In with a win. If they lose they can still get to the B12CG but only if Texas loses at Kansas.
- 6-2 Texas: In with a win, out with a loss.
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That amazes me that all three B12 teams control their own D, but I get it when two play each other, it's just "odd" at this point.
Nice work, again.
I volunteer to do Week O next season. Everybody controls their own destiny.
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I volunteer to do Week O next season. Everybody controls their own destiny.
Not True, Rutgers has already been eliminated.
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Poor Rutgers. They should get a bowl game against Arkansas.
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Poor Rutgers. They should get a bowl game against Arkansas.
heh heh heh ... they hired Bret Bielema.
EDIT: I went to read on What B.B is up to and got a disgusting quote from him.
"Paul's kind of kept to my same formula," Bielema said. "It's obviously one that has worked in that niche market."
What an ass.
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And, to "complement" the tops of each conference, I submit the following listing:
ACC - Tie between Laville and UNC, 0-8 and 1-6 in conference play. UNC "wins" the tie I suspect. Laville is really bad, UNC had some close losses.
SEC - Arky 0-7 and 2-9. How'd they win two?
B12 - Kansas 1-7 and 3-8.
P12 - Oregon State 1-7 and 2-9
B1G - Rutger, who lost their S in nearly every game, 0-8, 1-10. They might well be the worst of a sad lot.
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Since the Pac went to divisions with the additions of Utah and Colorado in 2011, every team in the Pac-12 South has now won the division at least once now that Utah finally clinched their spot in the P12 CCG.
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Since the Pac went to divisions with the additions of Utah and Colorado in 2011, every team in the Pac-12 South has now won the division at least once now that Utah finally clinched their spot in the P12 CCG.
Interesting. I suspect they are the first to attain this distinction of any division of the four conferences.
Relatively few programs have won their division in the main. The SEC West has quite a few teams that have won, but not A&M (yet) or Ole Miss.
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That is particularly noteworthy in the Pac South; a division that is essentially giftwrapped for USC to win every year.
All they have to do is beat Ucla and the four Mountain time zone teams, and they are in.
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I really can't believe Texas controls its own destiny at this point.
That amazes me that all three B12 teams control their own D, but I get it when two play each other, it's just "odd" at this point.
Nice work, again.
I volunteer to do Week O next season. Everybody controls their own destiny.
I'm pretty shocked that Texas still controls its own destiny at this point. Before the season I was fine with the thought of 8-4 and the upward trajectory that would represent, but now, losing to Kansas is really, really gonna hurt. :0
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I really can't believe Texas controls its own destiny at this point. I'm pretty shocked that Texas still controls its own destiny at this point. Before the season I was fine with the thought of 8-4 and the upward trajectory that would represent, but now, losing to Kansas is really, really gonna hurt. :0
What would you rather have a chance to do? Beat Oklahoma twice in a season or avenge a gut wrenching loss.
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Well it's moot because we're gonna lose to Kansas, but...
... I'm not sure. It's a really good question. Beating OU twice in the same season would be pretty awesome, even though I'm against rematches of rivalry games. But I'd also love a crack at your 'Eers again.
Honestly, I don't think OU is gonna beat you. They have no defense, they're going to have to score on literally every single possession to beat you, and I think your defense is good enough to get a couple of key stops. I think y'all end up winning by a couple scores by the end of it, maybe 10 points? Something kike 48-38?
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B1G-E: Michigan has clinched a share but the winner of THE GAME will play Northwestern in the B1GCG.
LOL. Clinched a share? Of what? Whatever it is it's more meaningless than your average middle school consolation prize.
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Technically, a team can "clinch a share" of a divisional championship and not make the CG.
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You'll have to be patient with Michigan fans, this is the first time that they have ever finished any higher than 3rd.
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Technically, a team can "clinch a share" of a divisional championship and not make the CG.
You'll have to be patient with Michigan fans, this is the first time that they have ever finished any higher than 3rd.
LoL at what @Brutus Buckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=31) said.
@Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) is right. I do agree with you, @Temp430 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=131) that it is pretty meaningless with one exception: streaks. In that regard it matters at least to a fan like me. In that regard, Ohio State has now won six straight B1G Divisional Championships. Interestingly, Ohio State has never won a B1G Divisional tiebreaker so all of Ohio State's B1G Divisional Co-Championships resulted in missing the B1GCG:
- 2011: First year of Divisional play, tOSU finished fourth in the Leaders
- 2012: The Conference declared that even though they were ineligible for the CG, the Buckeyes were the Champions of the B1G-Leaders Division. (tOSU finished first at 8-0, PSU finished second at 6-2 but was also ineligible so third place 4-4 Wisconsin went to the B1GCG.
- 2013: Ohio State won the B1G-Leaders Division outright then lost the B1GCG.
- 2014: Ohio State won the B1G-E outright and won the B1GCG.
- 2015: Ohio State shared the B1G-E title but lost the tiebreaker to MSU.
- 2016: Ohio State shared the B1G-E title but lost the tiebreaker to PSU.
- 2017: Ohio State won the B1G-E outright and won the B1GCG.
So in seven years of divisional play the Buckeyes have:
- Four outright Divisional titles resulting in three B1GCG appearances (ineligible in 2012), 2-1 in B1GCG's win two wins over UW and a loss to MSU.
- Two shared titles resulting in zero B1GCG appearances.
- One fourth place finish in the old Leaders Division (one game behind third place PU and three games behind co-champions UW and PSU).
As a one-off thing, I completely agree with you, Divisional Co-Championships are pretty meaningless. However, within a streak I consider them to be meaningful. I want Ohio State to continue their six year Divisional Championship streak and their streak of having won the B1G-E every year that it has existed.
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I think if a fan base, or team, wants to claim a something, fine with me. UCF claims a MNC last year, fine with me. UGA likely has some East Division championships where they did not go to the CG, eh. The only thing that stands out to me is winning your conference. You have control over that item.
If you get in and win the playoff, great, claim that as well. I learn they give a trophy to the team that loses the playoff final game also.
When I moved, all my HS trophies went into the trash. I even had a bowling trophy I was kinda proud of. What am I going to do, dig them out of the basement to admire them some day?
I zoned out one night at bowling and rolled ten in a row. I got up for the next frame and the entire 36 lane bowling alley went quiet.
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yup, the Huskers have some old Big 8 conference Co-championships with the Sooners and others. But there was obviously a tie breaker in place, so I do NOT count those.
If the school or someone else wants to count them, fine with me.
on the other hand, I feel it is more than right for Michigan and Nebraska to claim co-national championships, so I guess I'm the one waffling. The difference obviously. is that no tie breaker exists for those
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yup, the Huskers have some old Big 8 conference Co-championships with the Sooners and others. But there was obviously a tie breaker in place, so I do NOT count those.
If the school or someone else wants to count them, fine with me.
on the other hand, I feel it is more than right for Michigan and Nebraska to claim co-national championships, so I guess I'm the one waffling. The difference obviously. is that no tie breaker exists for those
In a conference that played a full roundrobin (and no CCG obviously), ties and co-champs were common and accepted. No reason NOT to "claim" those. Your claim was as good as any other to the conference title, because even if you lost H2H to your co-champ, they lost to someone that your team beat. If they didn't want to be co-champs, they should have won that game. Pretty simple logic to me, honestly.
The tie-breakers only determined who went to the bowl games, not who got to claim the (co-)championship.
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Georgia claims several SEC Championships that were ties. Teams played 6 conference games back in the day, so it was indeed fairly common, and you wouldn't have played the other "co-champion". I think the tied with Kentucky in 1976 or something.
WE're gradually moving to a situation where a lot of teams could claim a thing to where we're down to one.
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Felt way to empty to me as a fan to lose the 1st tie breaker that was head to head to the dirty rotten sooners and then try to feel good about a Co-championship, just because the Sooners had dropped a meaningless game earlier in the season.
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I understand the sentiment. But by definition it WASN'T meaningless, because it cost them the outright, sole championship.
Doesn't bother me at all. It's a legit claim for a conference championship. If the dirty rotten hated Sooners wanted that Big8 championship bad enough, they shouldn't have lost to Iowa State or whoever.
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Switzer is/was bothersome
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$witzer is a bigtime asshole.
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The other extreme would be "participation trophies" of course, or near that, a 2nd place finish and 3rd place finish in a division. Yay.
I can see it in say gymnastics. Finish second at nationals, it's a something. Finish second in your division? Meh.
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$witzer is a bigtime asshole.
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Finish second in your division? Meh.
IMHO, there is a difference between second and tied for first:
- Second means you lost too many games.
- Tied for first means you did just as well as the best but lost the wrong game.
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Texas has clinched one of the spots in the B12CG. As such, seven of the ten P5CG spots are now clinched and the remaining three are down to just two teams each with those teams playing this weekend for the three spots:
Clinched:
B12: Texas
P12-S: Utah
SEC-W: Bama
SEC-E: Georgia
ACC-A: Clemson
ACC-C: Pittsburgh
B1G-W: Northwestern
TBD:
B12: Winner of the OU/WVU game tonight at 8 on ESPN
P12-N: Winner of the UW/WSU Apple Cup game, tonight at 8:30 on Fox
B1G-E: Winner of THE GAME tomorrow at noon on Fox
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Probably for Michigan and possibly Oklahoma, Ohio State, and Washington State their games today/tomorrow are effectively the equivalents of Sweet-Sixteen games (with the CG equivalent to a Regional Final followed by the Final Four).
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It's 5:35 PM CST and ou still sucks.
That is all.