I predict that the winner of this game will play Northwestern, in Indy.Eh. That's a pretty big leap and a very bold prediction.
And lose.
Both teams will be ready to go.I don't know. I don't see it being close. I think either Michigan wins big or OSU wins big.
Should go down to the wire, as is typically the case.
Eh. That's a pretty big leap and a very bold prediction.1. Go big or go home.
IF it's vs Michigan: I think that first QTR was a fluke for them. They hit a few plays early and got out to a 14-0 lead but after that they were pretty much completely dominated. If there were to be a rematch, I think Michigan would handle them pretty much from start to finish.
OSU's defense is BAD'Tis true anytime the BugEaters hang 31 on anyone heads should roll
Who are the bug eaters?The original name for the Cornhuskers. :sign0104:
Early forecast is low 50s, chance of rain. I like the temp for the bucks, I think if weather was bad that’d be a big plus for UMI think Michigan is the team wanting good weather. I know OSU has the better pass offense, and that this is a more weather-sensitive phase but rain and wind are also randomizers. And Michigan wants as low variance as possible. No weird stuff. Just pass the time straight up and play for "may the best team win." Obviously we can't already know who's the better team. But this may be the first or second time this decade where Michigan could spend Game week feeling reasonably confident it's them.
I think Michigan is the team wanting good weather. I know OSU has the better pass offense, and that this is a more weather-sensitive phase but rain and wind are also randomizers. And Michigan wants as low variance as possible. No weird stuff. Just pass the time straight up and play for "may the best team win." Obviously we can't already know who's the better team. But this may be the first or second time this decade where Michigan could spend Game week feeling reasonably confident it's them.You are being kind and respectful- which is appreciated. But.....
Obviously we can't already know who's the better team. But this may be the first or second time this decade where Michigan could spend Game week feeling reasonably confident it's them.I disagree. I'm with @Honestbuckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=37) on this one.
NO WAY that Michigan wins this game.That was crass and totally uncalled for.Clearly an appalling appeal to the Football Gods for favor
Skunk Weasels open up as 3.5 pt chalk vs the Good GuysYou are just begging for people to ask what the snot you are talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8bzZEtOcb8Not Safe For Work, or breakfast with my little girls present.
NO WAY that Michigan wins this game.
4 point favs win about 60% of the time. I'm picking Michigan to win handily.So your saying we have a chance?
Not Safe For Work, or breakfast with my little girls present.Now Typhonic, you aren't supposed to watch you tube videos at the breakfast table.
Was feeling bad for Chase Winovich until I saw the shot of him stomping on the same guy who teed off on him. So, karma, I suppose. Any word on his injury?Maybe he was stomping on him. Or maybe 72 moved his leg in the wrong way at the wrong time. And got unlucky. Because his leg does move like that just then. Hard to confirm either way. Both are reasonable, and we're not in his head to know.
Maybe he was stomping on him. Or maybe 72 moved his leg in the wrong way at the wrong time. And got unlucky. Because his leg does move like that just then. Hard to confirm either way. Both are reasonable, and we're not in his head to know.Maybe the Indiana guy tripped and fell on him
Not Safe For Work, or breakfast with my little girls present.was it an issue with the audio?
Every team has a chance, but in my opinion, OSU has not nearly a 40% chance.I'm not sure about "everything", but close to it. Michigan is a better team. If they play at their ceiling they will win. Full stop.
Everything has to go right for them I think.
Maryland had a "chance" last Saturday despite deeper odds.
not sure I like Higdon opening his mouth like that. He's really not that type of guy, so it kinda took me by surprise.Not a big deal really - it’s not like he is walking around screaming it. The reporter kind of set him up for it so to me it almost like being asked if you have confidence in your team. Besides, Higdon is a pretty humble kid and he plays hard every down.
Jim guaranteed a W against Ohio State back in the day when he was a player and then went out there and backed it up. Maybe he's taking a page out of coaches old playbook.
Colin Cowherd is claiming multiple sources close to Urban have told him that Urban Meyer is calling it quits after this season. Not sure what to think about that. Cowherd is a blowhard but he definitely has legit sources/info from time to time.I don’t know. But if just hearsay or a rumor, it sure does a number on recruiting.
Colin Cowherd is claiming multiple sources close to Urban have told him that Urban Meyer is calling it quits after this season. Not sure what to think about that. Cowherd is a blowhard but he definitely has legit sources/info from time to time.Urban's contract runs through Jan. 2023. I have a hard time seeing him walk away from that or another school buying it out.
not sure I like Higdon opening his mouth like that. He's really not that type of guy, so it kinda took me by surprise.Higdon is in good company. Tom Brady is predicting a win too.
Jim guaranteed a W against Ohio State back in the day when he was a player and then went out there and backed it up. Maybe he's taking a page out of coaches old playbook.
Urban's contract runs through Jan. 2023. I have a hard time seeing him walk away from that or another school buying it out.He's made 5-6-7 mil. per for how long?If he's losing it or his health why not walk,he's set for life,his grandkids are set for life.I think he walks after next season.Other wise it'll appear his detractors got the best of him.I'd like to see him step down as IMO he stays with things Coaches/schemes/players far too long,that aren't working or performing.The Zest and Zeal appear to have eroded - hope I'm wrong
So maybe this is the year the boil on the rear of Michigan's football program is lanced.I see an infection looming
Urban's contract runs through Jan. 2023. I have a hard time seeing him walk away from that or another school buying it out.Did he not walk away from a lucrative contract at Florida?
The favorite has won Straight Up every year since 2004 in this series.It is amazing that we have gone that long in this rivalry without an upset.
Not a big deal really - it’s not like he is walking around screaming it. The reporter kind of set him up for it so to me it almost like being asked if you have confidence in your team. Besides, Higdon is a pretty humble kid and he plays hard every down.And the refs called OSU fans for penalties 2 times for "*aking too *uch noise." Those really extended a couple *chiagn drives
As for Harbaugh, he was fortunate to win that year, but he did. Not his best day— threw 2 picks and OSU missed the game winning FG as time expired.
Michigan should win, but.....Hell of a catch
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GO BLUE!!!Old,bitter,drunken 94 just a stirrin' up the pot
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Maybe the Indiana guy tripped and fell on himI never called that a dirty play. OL land on fallen defensemen to hold them down all the time. This particular example was probably vigorous enough to question whether he was hoping to hurt Chase, but that's only for 72 to know and deal with for himself.
Michigan's floor is ... the win over MSU ...I agreed with the post in general, but not this: The MSU win was ... dominant. I didn't think that was controversial.
Just got back from The Game. I'm such a happy camper right. WOW, what a performance by the Buckeyes.That's one of the reasons I like you.
I'm not liking the Offense Initiates Contact with the Defender to get a PI call. I saw both teams do it and it just seems poor.
And the revenge tour has been cancelled.The revenge tour ends in The Shoe.
The Revenge Tour swapped teams.folks in the south don't like Harbaugh?
I was at the UGA game with my daughter. Several times they put The Game on the Big Board (live cut in) and the crowd was cheering for OSU of course.
folks in the south don't like Harbaugh?They mostly think he's an arrogant hind end of a donkey, seriously. They don't much like Urban either.
I’m fine with whatever happens. I dont see West Virginia beating Oklahoma at a neutral field if they couldn’t do it at home. But if the Buckeyes tighten up their defense and clobber Northwestern decisively they may jump OU. Assuming Alabama beats Georgia of course.It's Texas v. OU
https://breakdownsports.blogspot.com/2018/11/coaching-points-michigan-vs-osu-2018.htmlYes- Very
Interesting read..
It’s just crazy to me that this rivalry has been anything but a rivalry since I lived overseas.It is weird, it has honestly been longer than you are even thinking. It sorta felt like a contested rivalry from 1998-2003 because the two teams went 3-3 in those six years. In retrospect, however, that was nothing more than the intersection of a period of Michigan's dominance with a period of Ohio State's dominance. Right at the intersection it appeared that the rivalry was close but it really was not:
I will say, what made it still feel more like a big rivalry, even while UM was dominating, was that for the second portion of that run, OSU was consistently the higher ranked team, only to have Michigan rise up and beat them. Didn't UM knock them out of the national championship game like 4 times in a decade (93, 95, 96, 03)? So while UM dominated the series, the fact that they were doing it for a period while being frequently the lower ranked team almost made it seem MORE like a rivalry. While Ohio State has dominated the recent years, they've done it as the favorite almost exclusively, so it doesn't really have the same feel.Agreed, and you are right on the timeline. From 1985-1991 Michigan was almost always the better team and almost always won. Then we had the really weird 1992-1996 set where, IMHO, the better team went 0-4-1:
To get to a truly back-and-forth rivalry you have to go back to the early 1980's:John Cooper I screamed after 3 straight L's to the TUN for his head and was hardly the only one
- Ohio State won in 1984
- Michigan won in 1983
- Ohio State won two in 1981-82
- Michigan won in 1980
- Ohio State won in 1979
- Michigan won three in 1976-78
- Ohio State won two in 1974-75
- The teams tied in 1973
- Ohio State won in 1972
- Michigan won in 1971
- Ohio State won in 1970
- Michigan won in 1969
- Ohio State won two in 1967-1968
- Michigan won in 1966
- Ohio State won in 1965
- Michigan won in 1964
For the 21 years from 1964-1984 Ohio State led 11-9-1 but neither team won more than three straight so it really was back-and-forth.
John Cooper I screamed after 3 straight L's to the TUN for his head and was hardly the only oneCooper is exactly who Harbaugh is tracking as at this point.
Ya Brown didn't adjust - you have to try.But Schiano didn't either earlier in the year.ND certainly did when SC grabbed a 10-0 lead Sat.Nite,dropped some linemen sent an LB or two.Have to be creative and go with the flow.JH has made some decent hires but has to get rid of the deadwood,go out and get Kingsbury if possible.Supposedly Leach interested in returning to TechBrown never adjusts. It’s maybe his only flaw and his biggest weakness. He’s a stubborn sob who believes in man to man.
Brown never adjusts. It’s maybe his only flaw and his biggest weakness. He’s a stubborn sob who believes in man to man.Did you guys read the attachment by Entropy? It is really good and specifically discusses the adjustments Brown made. They worked for a few plays but then Day and Wilson tweaked what they were doing and it was hard to defend.
Harbaugh isn’t smart enough to hire Kingsbury. That hire would do wonders for Shea and those WRs though.
Did you guys read the attachment by Entropy? It is really good and specifically discusses the adjustments Brown made. They worked for a few plays but then Day and Wilson tweaked what they were doing and it was hard to defend.didn't read it yet, but I'll get to it.
Ya Brown didn't adjust - you have to try.But Schiano didn't either earlier in the year.ND certainly did when SC grabbed a 10-0 lead Sat.Nite,dropped some linemen sent an LB or two.Have to be creative and go with the flow.JH has made some decent hires but has to get rid of the deadwood,go out and get Kingsbury if possible.Supposedly Leach interested in returning to Techthe link I shared above actually proved Brown did adjust. The issue is Brown's adjustments either were predicted by OSU or OSU had very quick answers. Brown was consistently playing catch up to OSU's offense.
the link I shared above actually proved Brown did adjust. The issue is Brown's adjustments either were predicted by OSU or OSU had very quick answers. Brown was consistently playing catch up to OSU's offense.Between Campbell(192 yds),Olave(48yds),Dixon(31yds),Hill(51yds),McCall(44yds) mostly crossing routes it didnt look like zone but I was at a Sports Pub so hard to tell above the din
Think we all over estimated Dr Blitz and Harbaugh and all severely under estimated Urban Meyer. Michigan got schooled in the coaching match up. Flat up schooled. Props to Urban. He’s not one of the greatest ever for no reason.We said it after week 2 or 3 as well. The only thing that changed is the defense played so well most of the year, it hid the offensive struggles. In the past, Michigan had boring offense with even more boring qbs, so we fooled ourselves this year because the qb is a bit more talented.
Harbaugh’s Stone Age offense works better in the NFL where many teams still run that sort of offense. At the highest levels in college- just will never cut it. Was listening to Cris Carter on a radio podcast and agree with him 100% when he was just going in on Harbaugh and Michigan. Cris made a great point- he said he watches other teams in college like Oklahoma and he says wow that’s an innovative play- that’d be hard to defend like 25 times during the game. He says he watches Michigan and he never sees even one play like that. Hate to agree with the guy but he’s right. Michigan’s offense sucks.
We said it after week 2 or 3 as well. The only thing that changed is the defense played so well most of the year, it hid the offensive struggles. In the past, Michigan had boring offense with even more boring qbs, so we fooled ourselves this year because the qb is a bit more talented.That’s what makes me want to rip my hair out. They constantly take DPJ, Black, and Nico off the field to play 3 TE sets. Makes me fookin itrate. Those 3 kids are Sunday receivers.
What’s most maddening to me has been the refusal to map out plays for DPJ, Nico & Tarik Black, in favor of throwing 12 times to very mediocre tight ends. Jake Butt has been gone for two years.
When your TE and Fullback are the focal point of your offense, you’re in the Stone Age. Sadly, I think Michigan had the edge with experience and talent this year, but Urban was playing chess while Jimmy was learning his abc’s.
Yesterday marked seven years since ttun's last win over Ohio State.The longer it goes, the harder it is when it ends. Trust me.
Celebrating 2,558 days!
The longer it goes, the harder it is when it ends. Trust me.I know you just had a REALLY long one end (14 years, impressive!) but in my experience, I disagree. I obviously NEVER enjoy my team losing to a rival but when they won in 2011 and 2003 it wasn't all that bad. As long as my team won the previous game it feels somewhat even and when it gets to a long streak like you had and we have, you can write off a loss as one of those "a broken clock is right twice a day" or "even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while" kind of things. It sucks, but it isn't THAT bad. What REALLY sucks is losing two or more in a row like the Buckeyes did in 1999-2000, 1995-1997, and 1988-1991 (that one was even worse because after a tie in 1992 the Buckeyes lost again in 1993).
The longer it goes, the harder it is when it ends. Trust me.Ya but you enjoyed the ride,and you can get on again
We said it after week 2 or 3 as well. The only thing that changed is the defense played so well most of the year, it hid the offensive struggles. In the past, Michigan had boring offense with even more boring qbs, so we fooled ourselves this year because the qb is a bit more talented.Good Post,I know you weren't sold on Shea/offense earlier in the season.Ya M's wr's have to be utilized better Collins made some nice snags and DPJ is tough.DJP looked good on a sideline catch had to be 8-9 guys in the scrum over there he was pinned down flip-flopped loose and got the xtra 2 yds for the 1st down.And Black has looked good from the get if he can stay out of the infirmary.
What’s most maddening to me has been the refusal to map out plays for DPJ, Nico & Tarik Black, in favor of throwing 12 times to very mediocre tight ends. Jake Butt has been gone for two years.
When your TE and Fullback are the focal point of your offense, you’re in the Stone Age. Sadly, I think Michigan had the edge with experience and talent this year, but Urban was playing chess while Jimmy was learning his abc’s.
Shea Patterson was running for his life all day. It's amazing Michigan scored what they did. Hard to execute any offensive play, no matter how brilliantly conceived, if your QB is running to stay alive. On the other hand it was ridiculous how much time Haskins had to make his throws. Not really a fair test. You could have stuck your average Div. III QB in there and they would have looked good. The Buckeye's OL played extremely well. Considering the defense they were up against it has to be one of the best Ohio State OL performances of all time.What's the deal there? The OL looked horrible against Notre Dame, but improved vastly over the course of the year, with Warriner getting due credit. I said during the Rutgers game, that I thought that was the best I had seen Patterson all year, because he was throwing perfect passes against a surprising amount of pressure. Wrote it off to being an off day for the line in a game that was tough to get up for. They were slightly better, but not great, against Indiana, and then fell off a cliff against Ohio State. Any speculation out there for the November regression on the line. I will say, I think Rutgers defensive front was much better later in the year. After that Michigan game they held Penn State to just 20 points, and then got good pressure on MSU, who lacked a QB who could beat it.
What's the deal there? The OL looked horrible against Notre Dame, but improved vastly over the course of the year, with Warriner getting due credit. I said during the Rutgers game, that I thought that was the best I had seen Patterson all year, because he was throwing perfect passes against a surprising amount of pressure. Wrote it off to being an off day for the line in a game that was tough to get up for. They were slightly better, but not great, against Indiana, and then fell off a cliff against Ohio State. Any speculation out there for the November regression on the line. I will say, I think Rutgers defensive front was much better later in the year. After that Michigan game they held Penn State to just 20 points, and then got good pressure on MSU, who lacked a QB who could beat it.The starting RT JBB was out the last two games with some kind of injury. His replacement, Spanellis, is just not good enough yet. Saw that on the very first sack of the game. Other than that the Buckeye's DL played up to their potential. Michigan's OL showed great improvement but has a long way to go..especially at the tackles.
What's the deal there? The OL looked horrible against Notre Dame, but improved vastly over the course of the year, with Warriner getting due credit. I said during the Rutgers game, that I thought that was the best I had seen Patterson all year, because he was throwing perfect passes against a surprising amount of pressure. Wrote it off to being an off day for the line in a game that was tough to get up for. They were slightly better, but not great, against Indiana, and then fell off a cliff against Ohio State. Any speculation out there for the November regression on the line. I will say, I think Rutgers defensive front was much better later in the year. After that Michigan game they held Penn State to just 20 points, and then got good pressure on MSU, who lacked a QB who could beat it.Maybe I'm alone in this thinking, but I've always thought that play calling can dramatically impact how good or poor an offensive line looks. IF there's zero creativity to an offensive, how much easier is it as a DC to put pressure on the line and QB? If I was a DC, I would predict with high confidence that the M offense would run some sort of power run with Hidgon on first down. Similar play or short pass play to the TE and distance would determine the 3rd down play.
What's the deal there? The OL looked horrible against Notre Dame, but improved vastly over the course of the year, with Warriner getting due credit. I said during the Rutgers game, that I thought that was the best I had seen Patterson all year, because he was throwing perfect passes against a surprising amount of pressure. Wrote it off to being an off day for the line in a game that was tough to get up for. They were slightly better, but not great, against Indiana, and then fell off a cliff against Ohio State. Any speculation out there for the November regression on the line. I will say, I think Rutgers defensive front was much better later in the year. After that Michigan game they held Penn State to just 20 points, and then got good pressure on MSU, who lacked a QB who could beat it.I'm going with: match-ups and injuries matter.
Pro style players are thinking about assignments, spread offense players are thinking about how to play the man across from them.Correct brought this up before.Like Yogi berra said "you can't think and hit at the same time".Lot of truth in that game moves too fast - read and react
There’s really no need for all that Bill Walsh-legacy stuff. Mumme and Leach figured how to compress the code for the WCO passing game years ago, and contemporary officiating allows you to throw with impunity, so you don’t need to run Power in order to prop up your pass pro. For better or worse, that’s where we are IMO.
Maybe I'm alone in this thinking, but I've always thought that play calling can dramatically impact how good or poor an offensive line looks. IF there's zero creativity to an offensive, how much easier is it as a DC to put pressure on the line and QB? If I was a DC, I would predict with high confidence that the M offense would run some sort of power run with Hidgon on first down. Similar play or short pass play to the TE and distance would determine the 3rd down play.I’m absolutely sold on Shea. It’s his coaches that I’m not sold on.
That being said, it's not the only thing that impacts an offensive line. Talent level, experience & injuries also play a large role, but those can be hidden or amplified with offensive scheme and play calling.
I'm not sure I'm sold on Patterson, but I'm also equally unsure if it's him or play calling.
He's certainly passionate, but at times it's best to just shut upyeah Chase should probably just keep his mouth shut on that. Take the L like a man and move on.
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