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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on November 17, 2018, 10:31:41 PM
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I need a favor. Don't worry, it'll on be only this one thread. :72:
I wanted to make all-decade teams for my cards/dice football game. So I'd like your suggestions for INDIVIDUAL PLAYER SEASONS that were the best of all-time.
So please specify the player and the season. For example, I wouldn't just say 'Tim Tebow', I'd say '2007 Tebow'. I don't need linemen or anything, just
QB passing
RB/QB rushing
WR/TE
DL/LB (for sacks only)
DB (for INT only)
K
P
KR
PR
So something like '91 Desmond Howard or '78 Billy Sims or whatever. Any that pop out for you. Thanks.
Oh, and there's 4 ball carriers and 6 pass-catchers on the team, so I'll take in all the suggestions and post the rosters, then we could argue over them if we want.
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To start:
10s
QB 2010 Cam Newton, Auburn
RB 2014 Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin
P 2015 Tom Hackett, Utah
00s
QB 2007 Tim Tebow, Florida
RB 2002 Larry Johnson, Penn St
DE 2005 Elvis Dumervil, Louisville
K 2003 Nate Kaeding, Iowa
80s
S 1986 Bennie Blades, Miami
RB 1981 Marcus Allen, USC
QB 1989 Andre Ware, Houston
KR 1988 Raghib Ismail, Notre Dame
PR 1988 Deion Sanders, FSU
90s
KR 1993 Leeland McElroy, Texas A&M
RB 1994 Rashaan Salaam, Colorado
DE 1996 Terrell Suggs, Arizona St
CB 1991 Terrell Buckley, FSU
CB 1996 Dre Bly, North Carolina
PR 1996 David Allen, Kansas St
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Furthest back you should go is the 70s. I'm sure some Billy the Bullet guy was great in the 40s, but that doesn't help me any.
And yes, a guy can fill 2 positions, like Deion Sanders CB and PR.
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Looking in the 90s:
I could have an entire RB corps from one school:
UNL - C.Jones ('92), D.Brown ('91), L.Phillips ('94), A.Green ('97)
WIS - Fletcher ('94), Moss ('93), McCullough ('95), Dayne ('96)
Hell, even Texas Tech had three different rushers in the top 3 nationally: Bam Morris ('93), Hanspard ('96), and the "other" Ricky Williams ('98).
Then I realized....my 4 rushers could be 96 Dayne, 97 Dayne, 98 Dayne, and 99 Dayne! Crazy.
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Michigan:
'90 - Jon Vaughn.............1364 yds @ 6.3 pc
'91 - Ricky Powers...........1197 yds @ 5.0 pc
'92 - Ty Wheatley...............1357 yds @ 7.3 pc
'95 - Tim Biakabutuka.........1724 yds @ 6.2 pc
This is fun.
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1988 Barry Sanders
1983 Mike Rozier
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Top 3 P5 QBs by QB rating by year in the 90s:
90: S.Moore (UVA), Weldon (FSU), Klingler (HOU)
91: Grbac (UM), Blundin (UVA), Sacca (PSU)
92: Grbac (UM), Graves (SYR), Stewart (CU)
93: Barr (CAL), Ward (FSU), DeShazo (VT)
94: Collins (PSU), R.Johnson (USC), Dean (FLA)
95: Wuerffel (FLA), Hoying (OSU), McNabb (SYR)
96: Wuerffel (FLA), Barnes (CAL), Manning (TENN)
97: McNown (UCLA), Leaf (WSU), Huard (UW)
98: A.Smith (ORE), Bishop (KSU), McNabb (SYR)
99: Hamilton (GT), Vick (VT), Weinke (FSU)
I doubt most people realize Grbac was so good. Blundin had a zero-INT season. McNabb's best years were as a FR and a SR. Joe Hamilton should have won the Heisman in '99. Tony Sacca and Rob Johnson were good players I had forgotten about. Kordell Stewart didn't run any in '92.
Top 3 P5 RB by yards by year in the 90s:
90: Lewis (A&M), Hudson (OKST), Beiniemy (CU)
91: Dunbar (IU), Cobb (Rice), Sands (KU)
92: Hearst (UGA), Dukes (BC), Cobb (Rice)
93: Morris (TTU), Moss (Wis), Harris (OSU)
94: Salaam (CU), Phillips (Neb), Carter (PSU)
95: Davis (ISU), George (OSU), Autry (NW)
96: Davis (ISU), Dayne (Wis), Hanspard (TTU)
97: Williams (Tex), Green (Neb), Banks (Iowa)
98: Williams (Tex), Cloud (BC), Williams (TTU)
99: Dayne (Wis), Jones (UVA), Jordan (UMd)
I have no idea who Hudson or Dukes are. Sands had the single-game record for awhile. Cobb was all Rice had, ESPN had a good doc on him. I didn't realize Raymont Harris had a big year. Troy Davis will always be remembered. I think Thomas Jones was eclipsed in most minds by Tiki Barber.
Top 3 P5 WR by yards by year in the 90s:
90: H.Moore (UVA), Howard (UM), Wellman (USC)
91: Grant (Hou), LaChapelle (UCLA), M.Bailey (UW)
92: L.Hill (TTU), Badgett (UMd), V.Bailey (MIZ)
93: Morton (USC), Stokes (UCLA), C.Johnson (CU)
94: K.Johnson (USC), Jordan (UCLA), Toomer (UM)
95: K.Johnson (USC), Glenn (OSU), Harrison (SYR)
96: Anthony (FLA), Bates (NW), Carruth (CU)
97: Pathon (UW), Alford (Pur), Walters (Stan)
98: Holt (NCST), Boston (OSU), McGriff (FLA)
99: Walters (Stan), Northcutt (Ari), Daniels (Pur)
I have no idea who Wellman or Badgett are. I didn't realize how pass-happy the LA schools were back then. Some of these guys were barely in the top 10, due to G5 schools passing the ball all over the place in this era (BYU, Houston, La Tech, Nevada, etc). I wouldn't have guessed Walters being on here twice.
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Top 3 P5 QBs by QB rating by year in the 80s:
80: Hermann (Pur), Elway (Stan), Schlichter (OSU)
81: Belue (UGA), Marino (Pitt), Eason (ILL)
82: Ramsey (UCLA), Risher (LSU), Elway (Stan)
83: Long (Iowa), Neuheisel (UCLA), Eppley (Clem)
84: Long (Iowa), Kosar (Miami), Bell (FLA)
85: Bell (FLA), Harbaugh (UM), Long (Iowa)
86: Testaverde (Miami), Harbaugh (UM), Yarema (MSU)
87: McPherson (Syr), Hartlieb (Iowa), Aikman (UCLA)
88: Harris (WV), Rosenbach (WSU), Gundy (OKST)
89: S.Moore (UVA), Ware (Hou), Scharr (Syr)
Wow, Chuck Long! I knew he narrowly missed the '85 Heisman, but 3 years as a top QB? Plenty of guys here I have no idea about (too young). Latter part of the decade had running QBs improving their passing, apparently.
Top 3 P5 RB by yards by year in the 80s:
80: G.Rogers (USCe), Walker (UGA), Allen (USC)
81: Allen (USC), Walker (UGA), Woolfork (UM)
82: Anderson (OKST), Walker (UGA), Rozier (Neb)
83: Rozier (Neb), McCallum (Navy), Pinkett (ND)
84: Byars (OSU), Mayes (WSU), K.Davis (TCU)
85: White (MSU), Jackson (Aub), Thomas (OKST)
86: Palmer (Temp), Humphrey (ALA), G.Green (UCLA)
87: Heyward (Pitt), Morris (UM), Thomas (OKST)
88: Sanders (OKST), Lewis (A&M), Thompson (IU)
89: Thompson (IU), E.Smith (FLA), Bryant (ISU)
Herschel in 2nd all 3 of his years. Never heard of Woolfork @ Michigan. I looked at Navy and Temple's schedules for the years listed and they were in line with everyone else's. A lot of independents back then. Was Heyward fat in college? I still can't picture Byars being a great RB - my only memories are him as a chubby pass-catcher in the NFL.
Top 3 P5 WR by yards by year in the 80s:
80: Chappelle (Iowa), Burrell (Pur), Young (Pur)
81: Cooper (Minn), Bryant (Pur), A.Carter (UM)
82: Clayton (UL), Simmons (USC), Castor (Duke)
83: B.Johnson (KU), Brennan (BC), Martin (LSU)
84: D.Williams (ILL), Brown (Miami), Phelan (BC)
85: Estell (KU), Carter (Pur), D.Williams (ILL)
86: W.Davis (LSU), C.Carter (OSU), Sharpe (USCe)
87: Jones (IU), Hines (Duke), W.Davis (LSU)
88: Phillips (Hou), Dykes (OKST), Mitchell (Van)
89: Hazard (Hou), Hines (Duke), Buchanan (NW)
Ton of guys I've never heard of. Didn't realize LSU threw the ball that much back then. Houston's run-and-shoot emergence is seen here. Hines can thank Spurrier for showing up on this list. Didn't realize Purdue was such a passing juggernaut early in the decade.
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Would '98 Daunte Culpepper qualify? UCF was D-AA at the time but that was an impressive season.
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No, the inequity in schedule is severe. If I'm not including the BYUs and Ball States of the world, then not the '98 UCFs. They lost the only 2 games they played vs P5 schools.
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no Sooner RBs in the top 3 in the 80's????
I guess Herschel was great but not that great
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Maybe I should just post an attempt at a team and have people poke holes in it and offer other suggestions. I'll start in my wheelhouse- the 90s:
QB
'95 Wuerffel (Fla)
RB
'98 Williams (Tex)
'91 Dunbar (IU)
'96 Dayne (Wis)
'94 Phillips (Neb)
WR/TE
'98 Holt (NCST)
'91 Howard (UM)
'96 Anthony (Fla)
'95 Johnson (USC)
'93 Stokes (UCLA)
'95 Glenn (OSU)
DEF
DBs - INTs
'91 Buckley (FSU)
'97 Bly (UNC)
'97 Woodson (UM)
DL/LB - Sacks
'93 Bruschi (Ari)
'94 Rice (ILL)
'96 Boulware (FSU)
Special Teams
K
Gramatica (KSU)
KR
McElroy (A&M)
P
Sauerbrun (WV)
PR
Allen (KSU)
Plenty of RB seasons to choose from. GT's Joe Hamilton ('99) would be my next choice at QB. If you wanted range over accuracy, Janikowski would make sense at kicker. Sack numbers are STUPIDLY hard to come by, pre-2000. Very frustrating.
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as you know, I like Tommie Frazier in 95 over Danny
DEF
DL/LB - Sacks
Trev Alberts 1993 - Butkus
Trev Alberts became Nebraska's first Butkus Award winner in 1993, capping one of the finest seasons in history by an NU defensive player.
As a senior co-captain, the Cedar Falls, Iowa, native led the Huskers to an undefeated regular season and an Orange Bowl appearance against Florida State. The Big Eight defensive MVP, Alberts led the Huskers with 96 tackles, including 47 solo stops, and tied a school record with 15 sacks for 88 yards. He also had 21 tackles for 99 yards lost, three fumbles caused, one pass breakup and 38 quarterback hurries, all of which were team highs. He recorded eight double-figure tackle games and had at least one sack in nine games. In the final regular-season game, he dislocated his elbow, but returned to play in the Orange Bowl, where he had six tackles, including three sacks for 29 yards lost, and three quarterback hurries, earning defensive MVP honors in the Huskers' 18-16 loss to FSU.
For his performance, Alberts was named a first-team All-American by every major publication and was named the Football News National Defensive Player of the Year, Big Eight Defensive Player of the Year and the Big Eight Male Athlete of the Year. His No. 34 jersey was retired at the 1994 Spring Game.
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From current P5 teams?
Or Big11Ten, SEC, Pac 10, SWC, Big 8, ACC and Big East?
P7?
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Schools from P5-type conferences of the era in question and independents of a certain quality.
So yes to the SWC. Yes to 1991 independent Penn State, no to 1991 independent Tulane.
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Alberts is a good add, thanks. Bruschi and Boulware were over 15 sacks, I think Rice was right at 15.
Look up what Hamilton did in 1999 - he's sort of a happy medium between Wuerffel and Frazier.
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This doesn't have to do with Frazier, but here are the most efficiently-rated QB seasons in the 90s:
178.4 Wuerffel in '95 (FLA)
175.0 Hamilton in '99 (GT)
172.9 Collins in '94 (PSU)
171.1 Vick in '99 (VT)
170.6 Wuerffel in '96 (FLA)
1 - shows how great Wuerffel was, sure, but more amazingly,
2 - that 178.4 season is now the 20th-best season by a QB, including 11 seasons for P5 programs.
That's crazy.
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obviously didn't include his bowl stats
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I don't like my 90s RBs, I want some diversity.
Phillips, Dunbar, Williams, and Dayne. I need a scatback like Dunn maybe. Who else would be good?
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Also, if I have a rushing QB (like Frazier), then I only get 3 RBs.
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no Sooner RBs in the top 3 in the 80's????
I guess Herschel was great but not that great
Wishbone squads like OU rarely gave a guy the ball 25 times. Between Patrick Collins, Spencer Tillman, Anthony Stafford to pick on one roster, I doubt any guy had a full load. Dupree was a lone exception and of course Switzer went to the I formation briefly because of him, until he gained 100 lbs before the Fiesta Bowl (sidebar: WTF performance in bowl game history). Heck, Rozier was a rare workhorse for Nebraska until Phillips in '94.
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I don't like my 90s RBs, I want some diversity.
Phillips, Dunbar, Williams, and Dayne. I need a scatback like Dunn maybe. Who else would be good?
shaun alexander? faulk? hearst? eddie george? kijana carter?
some others from bama to consider:
lb/de derrick thomas (80s) - if stats for d were kept back then, he'd still have the ncaa record for career sacks and sacks in a season
lb keith mccants (80s) - was one of the biggest nfl busts of all time, but in college was a great lb
lb/de cornelius bennett (80s) - 3x AA, one of the best all time
c dwight stephenson (70s) - regarded as one of the best centers all time, bear bryant claimed best player he ever coached
lb woodrow lowe (70s) - 3x AA
og/ot john hannah (70s) - 2x AA one of the best linemen ever for bama
ot chris samuels (90s) - one of the few bright spots for bama in late 90's along with alexander
wr/returner david palmer (90s) - lightning in a bottle
db/returner javier arenas (00s) - at time of playing, was 1 shy of ncaa record for most punt return tds
db minkah fitzpatrick (10s) - arguably the best player in saban era
p jk scott (10s) - 2x AA
obviously not all of those will or should make the lists.
but thomas and bennett would be on mine for 80's, no question. 2 of the best all time, not just 80s.
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I’m still not sure what you are looking for exactly but I can give you a couple of WVU guys who had great statistical seasons at their positions.
In 1994 CB Aaron Beasley had 10 interceptions and returned two of them for touchdowns.
In 1996 LB Canute Curtis had 16.5 sacks. Both were consensus AA those years.
And if is more about career numbers Beasley had 19 career picks and Curtis had 34.5 career sacks.
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shaun alexander? faulk? hearst? eddie george? kijana carter?
some others from bama to consider:
lb/de derrick thomas (80s) - if stats for d were kept back then, he'd still have the ncaa record for career sacks and sacks in a season
lb keith mccants (80s) - was one of the biggest nfl busts of all time, but in college was a great lb
lb/de cornelius bennett (80s) - 3x AA, one of the best all time
c dwight stephenson (70s) - regarded as one of the best centers all time, bear bryant claimed best player he ever coached
lb woodrow lowe (70s) - 3x AA
og/ot john hannah (70s) - 2x AA one of the best linemen ever for bama
ot chris samuels (90s) - one of the few bright spots for bama in late 90's along with alexander
wr/returner david palmer (90s) - lightning in a bottle
db/returner javier arenas (00s) - at time of playing, was 1 shy of ncaa record for most punt return tds
db minkah fitzpatrick (10s) - arguably the best player in saban era
p jk scott (10s) - 2x AA
obviously not all of those will or should make the lists.
but thomas and bennett would be on mine for 80's, no question. 2 of the best all time, not just 80s.
i forgot about the single season stipulation.
alexander - 99
faulk - 93
hearst - 92
george - 95
carter - 94
bama greats
thomas - 88 - 27 sacks that season (52 career)
mccants - 89
bennett - 84, 85, 86 - i'd pick 86 i guess, but he was AA each year
stephenson - 79
lowe - 74
hannah - 72
samuels - 99
palmer - 93
arenas - (db 09, pr 08)
fitzpatrick - 16
scott - 14 or 17 (14 better ave punt, but 17 fewer returns allowed)
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Looks like you haven't done the 00s yet, but Brian Calhoun in his one UW season (2005) had a heck of a year. He was over 2000 all-purpose yards, including over 1500 rushing, over 500 receiving, and 23 touchdowns. He accounted for over 40% of Wisconsin's offense. But for the knee injuries he likely would have been a solid NFL player.
While I'm homering it up in here and on the subject of transfers, Russell Wilson's 191.8 efficiency rating in 2011 was the record at the time (may still be?). Over 3000 yards passing, 33 TDs against only 4 picks.
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Yeah, any sack numbers pre-2005 is appreciated. It's just for a single-season all-star team, by decade.
I've started with the 90s. There were a lot of 2000-yard seasons, but I also want a diverse team that people would like to play as.
Right now, the quartet of Ricky Williams, Ron Dayne, Lawrence Phillips, and Vaughn Dunbar, is what I have. But I think if I changed some out, it would appeal to more people. Ki-Jana Carter's 1994 season was amazing 7.8 ypc with that many carries! But don't I want a RB who caught a lot of passes? Which TE stands out?
I thought about WV's Beasley, but didn't he also get beat a lot? I have Woodson ('97) because he was so good, but he "only" had 7 int.
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Yeah, any sack numbers pre-2005 is appreciated. It's just for a single-season all-star team, by decade.
I've started with the 90s. There were a lot of 2000-yard seasons, but I also want a diverse team that people would like to play as.
Right now, the quartet of Ricky Williams, Ron Dayne, Lawrence Phillips, and Vaughn Dunbar, is what I have. But I think if I changed some out, it would appeal to more people. Ki-Jana Carter's 1994 season was amazing 7.8 ypc with that many carries! But don't I want a RB who caught a lot of passes? Which TE stands out?
I thought about WV's Beasley, but didn't he also get beat a lot? I have Woodson ('97) because he was so good, but he "only" had 7 int.
Yeah, Beasley was a gambler. He was a very good college corner but obviously no Woodson.
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Yeah, any sack numbers pre-2005 is appreciated. It's just for a single-season all-star team, by decade.
I've started with the 90s. There were a lot of 2000-yard seasons, but I also want a diverse team that people would like to play as.
Right now, the quartet of Ricky Williams, Ron Dayne, Lawrence Phillips, and Vaughn Dunbar, is what I have. But I think if I changed some out, it would appeal to more people. Ki-Jana Carter's 1994 season was amazing 7.8 ypc with that many carries! But don't I want a RB who caught a lot of passes? Which TE stands out?
I thought about WV's Beasley, but didn't he also get beat a lot? I have Woodson ('97) because he was so good, but he "only" had 7 int.
faulk caught 47 passes for 644 yds and 3 td in 93. with 1500+ yd and 21 td rushing.
alexander caught 25 for 325 and 4 td in 99.
hearst 22 for 325 and 2 td.
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I was just wondering aloud if you had a stable of 4 all-star type RBs, would most people just want the 4 most productive guys, or 4 productive guys with different styles?
4 biggest seasons in 90s:
'96 Troy Davis, '98 Ricky Williams, '96 Ron Dayne, '94 Rashaan Salaam
OR
4 guys who offer variety/skill sets:
'94 Ki-Jana Carter, '95 Eddie George, '95 Warrick Dunn, '99 Shaun Alexander
Or maybe it's just personal preference? We could do a vote...….:57:
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rb for 00's to consider:
willis mcgahee 2002 miami. dude was a monster.
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Faulk didn't go to a P5 school.
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Wishbone squads like OU rarely gave a guy the ball 25 times. Between Patrick Collins, Spencer Tillman, Anthony Stafford to pick on one roster, I doubt any guy had a full load. Dupree was a lone exception and of course Switzer went to the I formation briefly because of him, until he gained 100 lbs before the Fiesta Bowl (sidebar: WTF performance in bowl game history). Heck, Rozier was a rare workhorse for Nebraska until Phillips in '94.
Dupree was the exception
I guess Sims and the guys in front of him played in the 70s
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If you were putting an all-star team together, would you not care about the diversity of your running backs? I guess that's the question.
I could do a poll and the choices would be a huge array of RB seasons, but with this group, there'd be a lot of homer picks (nothing wrong with it) and general consensus guys (again, nothing wrong with it).
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Starting at the 2000s (oughts) team at QB. Interesting top 10 pass rating seasons from 2000-2009 (P5 only):
180.8 Bradford 2008 (OU)
176.5 Bradford 2007 (OU)
175.0 Carpenter 2005 (Arizona St)
173.8 McCoy 2008 (Tex)
172.9 Campbell 2004 (Aub)
172.5 Tebow 2007 (Fla)
172.4 Tebow 2008 (Fla)
170.8 Grossman 2001 (Fla)
170.5 Rivers 2003 (NCST)
167.0 Russell 2006 (LSU)
Mostly obvious guys, but Rudy Carpenter? In his FR year?? I had no idea. Carpenter and Campbell had fewer attempts than everyone else. Only McCoy and Tebow (both years) had any meaningful rushing stats. Tebow's dwarfs McCoy's.
Who would you pick?
Bradford's 50 TD passes in '08?
Tebow's 55 passing & rushing TDs in '07?
Pure passers Grossman or Rivers?
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The RBs, by single-season yardage (2000-2009, P5 only):
2,087 Larry Johnson - 2002 (Penn St)
2,063 Damien Anderson - 2000 (N'Western)
2,018 J.J. Arrington - 2004 (Cal)
2,012 Ray Rice - 2007 (Rutgers)
1,986 Darren Sproles - 2003 (Kansas St)
1,925 Adrian Peterson - 2004 (OU)
1,900 Jerome Harrison - 2005 (Washington St)
1,884 Quentin Griffin - 2002 (OU)
1,871 Toby Gerhart - 2009 (Stanford)
1,850 Shonn Greene - 2008 (Iowa)
*I'm not counting 2008 Big East as a P5...once Miami left, it was a glorified Conf USA
There's also...
2005 Reggie Bush (1700 yds @ 8.7 per rush w/ almost 500 yds receiving)
2002 Willis McGehee (1700 yds @ 6.2 per, 28 rushing TD)
2006 Steve Slayton (1700 yds @ 7.0 per, 16 TD)
Mike Hart, Wiliam Green (BC),...McFadden's ypc are more pedestrian than I thought (5.8, 5.6).
2009 Mark Ingram (1600 yds, 17 TD)
I'd need 4 if I have a statue at QB, or only 3 if I use Tebow/McCoy.
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To me, Bush and Peterson would be must-haves.
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If you were putting an all-star team together, would you not care about the diversity of your running backs? I guess that's the question.
depends, is this all-star team going to play someone else's all-star team?
if you take an option QB, do you also take option type RBs and WRs and OL and TE?
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I might take Sproles over Bush, very similar backs
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Sproles' big season equals Bush's in yardage, but Reggie had 2.5 yards more PER TOUCH. That's massive.
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To me, Bush and Peterson would be must-haves.
imo, i'd take peterson, bush, rice and mcgahee
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So with 4 RB, you'd take a pocket-passer QB. I'm obviously leaning towards including Tebow, which takes a RB spot away. Of your 4, I see Rice as a goalline guy, is that fair? Would he provide anything Tebow couldn't in that role?
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depends, is this all-star team going to play someone else's all-star team?
if you take an option QB, do you also take option type RBs and WRs and OL and TE?
OL isn't involved in this. It's for a game where you call play types. This is just an exercise of who should be included in an all-star team. I'm not confident the players I'd pick would be the ones the majority of potential game-players would expect to see included in the team set.
McGehee was great, but there are plenty of guys with better stats. But he was part of the Miami juggernaut, super high-visibility, and was on the grandest stage to have his awful injury. Discovering his inclusion in an all-star team would probably be "cool" to most fans.
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Going back to the 90s for a sec, if I had Tommie Frazier at QB, wouldn't it make sense to have an Alstott to give the dive to, a Dunn-type on the wing, and a fast/big all-around talent like Ricky Williams (or Phillips or Green) behind Frazier?
With a Tebow shotgun spread-option QB, I don't really need that belly-play short-yardage back. I can get a couple of speed guys (Bush, Slayton) and an all-around special player (a la McGehee or Peterson). Does that make sense?
And that reminds me - I don't want to forget about Percy Harvin. He won't show up on the lists I'm checking, because he had about as many carries as catches.
Check out his 2007:
83 carries for 764 yds (9.2 per carry) 6 TD
59 receptions for 858 yds (14.5) with 4 TD
Averaged 9.5 yards per carry in his career on almost 200 attempts.
But I have to ask you guys - does Harvin move the needle with you - would his inclusion make sense or raise an eyebrow? Did you consider him elite when he played? He didn't win any awards or make the AA team. But most Florida fans know he was the best player on the field.
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Sproles' big season equals Bush's in yardage, but Reggie had 2.5 yards more PER TOUCH. That's massive.
2.5 per touch more vs PAC defenses
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I guess to summarize this thread, is which players to include on a sliding scale of production vs popularity/familiarity.
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When I think of those Wingback/flanker guys (even if some of them lined up at RB). I think about Johnny Rodgers, Eric Metcalf, Warrick Dunn, Reggie Bush and most definitely Percy Harvin. Like many of you, I've watched decades of college football. I don't know how I wouldn't have Percy Harvin on my roster. While I didn't watch Rodgers play in person (even though he was in two of my undergrad classes. Seriously, he came back in the 90s, and was a vocal student in class), and if you go back and watch reels of him on youtube, the guy is timeless, and Harvin totally reminds me of Rodgers in terms of ability to avoid contact, turn a corner, and go from 0-60.
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Yeah I feel like there are a few guys that run with the same effort as everyone else, but they just GO faster.
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I had to share this:
There are ZERO non-BYU QB seasons in the top 90 as ranked by passing efficiency in the 80s, all-time. None.
The #1 non-WAC(k) QB season that decade was rated 165.8 by Miami's Vinny Testaverde in 1986.
I'm learning that college football was pretty monotonous and uniform from the early 70s into the early 90s. Helps me understand better what a revelation Spurrier was. Everyone was just running the option or the toss sweep, trying to out-tough each other. Trying to get that 4th yard from the cloud of dust. Feels like I didn't miss much.
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you must have loved the MNF game won by the LA Rams
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As if there's no grey area between a 9-7 game and a BigXII nightmare....
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you said you didn't miss much
this was one game, not a season, but 1987 vs the UCLA Bruins. Bruins were ranked #3 at the time
NCAA Rating (min. 15 att.): 298.2; Steve Taylor, QB, vs. UCLA,
Sept. 12, 1987 (15 att., 10 comp., 0 INT, 217 yards, 5 TD)
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Why were all those old option teams' leading receiver the TE? Why not a WR?
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you didn't miss much, but you missed some great schemes to free the TE like no other offense.
safety was busy watching the QB, LBs in those run stopping defenses couldn't run with the TE
TE was tight to the tackle and blocked like heck 25 straight plays, easy to fake a block and let lost and behind the defense
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But back to the 2000s RB...if you bought a college football game and had this decade's all-star team set, don't you think most people would want/expect Bush/Peterson/Sproles over guys like Larry Johnson or Damien Anderson?
Johnson's season was EPIC....but he just doesn't have the same name recognition as those other guys.
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probably what the marketing department would like....
what about the flip side, using the game to bring awareness of great players that didn't get the recognition or whatever reason?
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Well since this would be a commercial enterprise and sales mattering - I'm not sure that would be a great business plan.
A compromise would be to make 2-3 different sets of RB corps or receiver corps available for purchase for the same team. Mixing and matching individual players at these positions wouldn't work unless they had nearly the same number of carries, but having a "popular" set of runners and then a more "statistical leaders" set would work. It would require more work, but it is an option.
Or a set of 3 RB plus the running QB (Frazier or Tebow or whoever) and a different set of 4 with the passing QB, something like that. With it being a decade-long all-star team, there's no shortage of great player seasons.
Hell, the possibliities are endless - all-time conference teams, all-time individual school teams, etc. If I could get some kind of algorithm thing going, and not do it all by hand, any number of ideas could be churned out.
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2005 Texas vs. the 80s Big Ten All-Americans
1990s All-Americans vs 2000s SEC All-Americans
1980s Nebraska All-Americans vs 1990s Nebraska All-Americans
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So I'm looking up 2000s ('00-'09) WRs and we've got Crabtree, Fitzgerald, Dez Bryant, and others. Then I see a guy I've never heard of.
Danario Alexander - Missori
2009: 113 catches for 1,781 yards and 14 TD
Why don't I recall this guy, at all? I'm 100% knowledgeable on everyone else with numbers anywhere near these (remember, P5-only) and this guy - I haven't a whisper of familiarity.
Anybody else know of him?
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For anyone who cares, this is what I mean when it comes to popular vs production:
Sacks for 2000s players.
Von Miller is #1, great.
The next 3 are '07 Middleton (IU), '09 Sharpe (TTU), and '05 Evans (MissSt). Basically anonymous dudes.
The next 3 are '05 Mario Williams (NCST, #1 pick), '07 Vernon Gholston (OSU), and '07 Long (UVA). Name dudes.
So if i'm producing a game and wanting it to sell, I include Miller, Williams, Ghoston, and maybe Long, right? They only had 1-2 fewer sacks than the random guys. It makes sense.
I'm doing it with the INT players, too. Instead of Rahim Moore and Bullocks from Nebraska, I include Sean Taylor and Ed Reed from Miami. Name recognition matters here, right?
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Tough group to choose from in 2000s kickers:
Kaeding was great, but Nugent might've been better. ASU's Weber had the best year, as a FR no less, but then Kai Forbath probably had the best leg.
What to do.....
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Top 15 Single-Season Receiving Yardage Totals (2000-2009)
1. 2007 Crabtree (TTU)
2. 2009 Alexander (MIZ)
3. 2001 Reed (LSU)
4. 2002 Woods (OKST)
5. 2003 Fitzgerald (Pitt)
6. 2007 Nelson (KSU)
7. 2001 Evans (Wis)
8. 2005 Hass (ORST)
9. 2003 McArthur (Cal) - only other guy I'm fuzzy on
10. 2009 Tate (ND)
11. 2009 Shipley (Tex)
12. 2008 Bryant (OKST)
13. 2001 Rogers (MSU)
14. 2002 R.Williams (Wash)
15. 2003 Clayton (OU)
Now again, it's solely P5 guys, but that's an impressive list, and tough to choose six from.