CFB51 College Football Fan Community

The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on November 14, 2018, 07:05:12 PM

Title: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 14, 2018, 07:05:12 PM
Starting this in '83 because the 5th-ranked team in the final regular season poll ended up the National Champion (Miami).  Impossible to do in a 4-team playoff now.  So this should be fun.  (Blurbs are as if the bowls havent been played yet)

1.  Nebraska - Big 8
Most everybody knows they are the big favorite to with the NC.  Blew out #4 Penn State the start the year, but didn't play another ranked team in the regular season.  Scored 60+ points six times.  Averaged over 400 yds rushing per game.  Option QB Turner Gill had 14 TD passes to only 4 INT.  Main RB Rozier averaged 7.8 ypc.



2.  Texas - SWC
Defense, Defense, Defense.  The Horns held six opponents to under 10 points.  They were the only team to beat Auburn and also had wins over #8 OU and #9 SMU.  The offense wasn't special, but the defense was.  And their FG kicker made 15 out of 16 on the year.



3.  Auburn - SEC
Only loss was to Texas in 2nd game.  Beat #17 FSU and ended the season on a tear - defeating 4 straight ranked foes (#5 Florida, #7 Maryland, #4 Georgia, #19 Alabama).  Offense didn't pass much, nor should they, with Bo Jackson carrying the ball to the tune of 7.7 ypc.  




4.  Illinois - Big Ten
Lost first game of the season, then reeled off 10 straight wins.  Beat #4 Iowa 33-0.  Also beat #6 Ohio St and #8 Michigan.  Closed out the year with 3 blowout victories to finish undefeated in Big Ten play.  QB Jack Trudeau led the offense with a strong passing attack and the defense pilfered 21 balls for interceptions.




All-Americans involved:
RB - Bo Jackson, Auburn
RB - Mike Rozier, Nebraska
WR - Irving Fryar, Nebraska
OL - Doug Dawson, Texas
OL - Dean Steinkuhler, Nebraska
LB - Jeff Leiding, Texas
DB - Jerry Gray, Texas
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 14, 2018, 07:07:09 PM
Voting open for 1 week.  BUT you can't see the results until the poll closes.  This one will probably be obvious, but other seasons will not be.  



Yes, 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3.  Look at the matchups and determine who would have won it all.
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983
Post by: utee94 on November 14, 2018, 07:18:19 PM
And of course, a rematch in our very first CFP ever. Yippee!!!! :)

Texas beats Auburn again, obviously.  Goes on to beat Nebraska in the Final.

I'll be looking for that 1983 crystal football in the mail any day now.   
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 14, 2018, 07:21:41 PM
Well Auburn didn't score until late in the game, down 20-0 in their first meeting.  But they stuffed the UT run game.  The difference was the Horns hitting 2 big passes, having one big punt return, and picking off 2 Tiger passes.  
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983
Post by: utee94 on November 14, 2018, 07:22:52 PM
Well Auburn didn't score until late in the game, down 20-0 in their first meeting.  But they stuffed the UT run game.  The difference was the Horns hitting 2 big passes, having one big punt return, and picking off 2 Tiger passes.  
Exactly.  The difference was Texas kicking their ass.  
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on November 14, 2018, 07:27:14 PM
FYI, Illinois had an incredibly favorable schedule that year.  They played all nine of the other league teams but they got all the good ones at home.  By final conference standings:

Even though they played five conference road games and only four at home they miraculously managed to get their three best conference opponents at home.  IMHO there is almost zero chance that the Illini would have gone 3-0 in Ann Arbor, Iowa City, and Columbus.  

The reason I know this:
Ohio State had the misfortune of having the opposite of Illinois' schedule that year.  The Buckeyes traveled to Champaign, Ann Arbor, and Iowa City where they lost by 4, 3, and 6 points respectively.  

Among the five teams that finished >.500 in the conference:
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983
Post by: Cincydawg on November 14, 2018, 07:27:34 PM
I would pick whoever beat Texas ...
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983
Post by: MarqHusker on November 14, 2018, 09:12:37 PM
Where are we playing these games?  ;)
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 14, 2018, 09:15:14 PM
Never really knew. Was 8mos. old.
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 14, 2018, 09:17:09 PM
Where are we playing these games?  ;)
The Metrodome
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983
Post by: utee94 on November 14, 2018, 09:19:49 PM
I would pick whoever beat Texas ...
Nobody beat Texas.  Cotton Bowl never happened.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 14, 2018, 09:27:12 PM
Where are we playing these games?  ;)
Tampa, New Orleans, Dallas, Miami, Phoenix, Atlanta, Pasadena, Santa Clara
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983
Post by: ELA on November 14, 2018, 10:32:35 PM
Where are we playing these games?  ;)
Probably in the south.
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983
Post by: ELA on November 14, 2018, 10:33:04 PM
Nebraska over Auburn.  Rozier vs. Bo
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 14, 2018, 11:07:19 PM
That would be so funnnnnn
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: MarqHusker on November 15, 2018, 12:45:57 AM
Nebraska handled Bo and Auburn in 1982 on the plains 41-7.  Bo did score the lone TD.
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 15, 2018, 08:57:18 AM
Probably in the south.
Neutral site in Atlanta or New Orleans.
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: Cincydawg on November 15, 2018, 01:32:11 PM
Atlanta in 1983 had no indoor football stadium and the Peach Bowl became known as having awful weather in many years played.

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/8507223/1970_peach_bowl.0.jpg)

That was the 1970 "Peach Bow".   I recall many years it was played in an ice storm or pouring rain around 38°F, which feels really cold.  I see it claims to be the fifth oldest bowl game now, which I think takes a bit of magic to reach.

The Peach Bowl originated as a fund-raiser for the Lions Clubs of Georgia but in its early years struggled with attendance, revenue, and bad weather.  The first three games (1968-1970) took place at Georgia Tech’s Grant Field and moved to Fulton County Stadium for the 1971-1992 games.




edited by drew4utk... found some strange characters that break formatting so sought out the image and exchanged it for one that doesn't.... and gave me something to play with later, too, discovering why and how it did that...
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: ELA on November 15, 2018, 02:01:43 PM

That was the 1970 "Peach Bow".   I recall many years it was played in an ice storm or pouring rain around 38°F, which feels really cold.  I see it claims to be the fifth oldest bowl game now, which I think takes a bit of magic to reach.
Yeah, where do they come up with that?
Rose Bowl is 1902 (1916 consecutive)
Orange, Sugar, Cotton and Sun have existed since the 30s; Gator and Citrus since the 40s; and Liberty since 1959.  So by my count it's the 9th?  
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: Cincydawg on November 15, 2018, 02:13:00 PM
Atlanta’s Peach Bowl showcased its first game in 1968 and is the fifth oldest college bowl game behind the Rose Bowl (1902), the Orange Bowl (1935), the Sugar Bowl (1935), and the Cotton Bowl (1937).  

It's creative accounting, somehow.

https://www.thesportshistorian.com/peach-bowl-history/
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: ELA on November 15, 2018, 02:26:03 PM
Well, that's just some guy, who happens to be wrong.  So long as the Peach Bowl itself doesn't claim any such marker.
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: Cincydawg on November 15, 2018, 02:43:07 PM
He's not only wrong, it seems to be indefensibly wrong.

http://www.chick-fil-apeachbowl.com/bowl/bowl-history/

They make no such claim.

The bowl was one of the only lesser bowls to sell out consistently, maybe the only.  This is from wiki:

Statistics[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peach_Bowl&action=edit&section=2)]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peach_Bowl





Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: ELA on November 15, 2018, 02:56:16 PM
In the format that existed for basically the first 20ish years I watch football (starting in 1990) the Peach Bowl and Sun Bowl were always my favorite off-NYD games.  The Peach for the game, the Sun for the setting.  I always liked the Alamo for some reason too, miss the Big Ten's tie in there.
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: FearlessF on November 15, 2018, 11:31:08 PM
Nebraska handled Bo and Auburn in 1982 on the plains 41-7.  Bo did score the lone TD.
shut down the War Eagle rushing attack in 1981 in Lincoln w/o Bo.  55 yards on 52 carries.
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: FearlessF on November 15, 2018, 11:36:50 PM
And of course, a rematch in our very first CFP ever. Yippee!!!! :)

Texas beats Auburn again, obviously.  Goes on to beat Nebraska in the Final.

I'll be looking for that 1983 crystal football in the mail any day now.  
the Husker offense vs the Longhorn defense would have been a great match, but there's no doubt in my mind about the final outcome
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: Cincydawg on November 16, 2018, 08:23:40 AM
Texas did have a great defense that year, for sure, but Husker offenses look potent to me and difficult to defend.
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: utee94 on November 16, 2018, 08:44:25 AM
the Husker offense vs the Longhorn defense would have been a great match, but there's no doubt in my mind about the final outcome
Nor mine. :)
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: Cincydawg on November 16, 2018, 10:24:41 AM
My Dawgs have definitively won every game they never played.
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: Cincydawg on November 16, 2018, 10:25:11 AM
Well, OK, if I am honest about that, 1995 Nebraska would have given them a good shot.
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 16, 2018, 01:38:40 PM
1995 UNL:     1983 UNL:
12-0              12-1
53.2 PF          50.3 PF
14.5 PA          16.7 PA

Rushed for 7.0 yards per carry     Rushed for 6.7 ypc
Allowed 2.5 yards per carry          Allowed 3.3 ypc
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 16, 2018, 01:39:19 PM
Oddball fact (if true):  '83 Nebraska attempted only 4 FG all season.  
They also had 4 different kickers make an extra point.  
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: FearlessF on November 16, 2018, 01:52:20 PM
true, and only 36 punts in 13 games

with a record setting offense there weren't many 4th downs.

Heck converted 92/152 Third-downs
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: FearlessF on November 16, 2018, 02:17:50 PM
Texas did have a great defense that year, for sure, but Husker offenses look potent to me and difficult to defend.
I could list the 9 NCAA records tied or broken by that offense
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: MarqHusker on November 16, 2018, 03:44:09 PM
In 1985 Dale Klein kicked a NCAA record 7 fgs vs Missouri.  Record still stands. 
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: Cincydawg on November 16, 2018, 04:17:08 PM
Most field goals made, game
7

Dale Klein, Nebraska (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/nebraska/) Oct 19, 1985

Mike Prindle, Western Michigan (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/western-michigan/) Sep 29, 1984
Title: Re: What If - Playoff Scenarios From Yesteryear - 1983 (Vote)
Post by: FearlessF on November 16, 2018, 07:59:10 PM
In 1985 Dale Klein kicked a NCAA record 7 fgs vs Missouri.  Record still stands.
Dale was from Seward, lived 3 floors above me in Harper Hall in 82.  My roommate on 6th floor was from Seward.  Partied quite a bit with Dale.