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Title: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: rolltidefan on November 13, 2018, 02:22:46 PM
link (https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/michigan-state-nebraska-to-honor-late-punters-mike-sadler-sam-foltz-on-saturday/)

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Nebraska and Michigan State will honor Sam Foltz and Mike Sadler during a pre-game ceremony on Saturday involving the head coaches, parents of Foltz and Sadler and specialists of both teams. It's the first meeting between NU and MSU since Foltz and Sadler died on July 23, 2016.
— Tom Shatel (@tomshatelOWH) November 12, 2018 (https://twitter.com/tomshatelOWH/status/1062097090346663936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
good on the 'skers and spartans for this. sad day to remember, but their live are worthy of it.
Title: Re: neb/msu set to honor punters foltz/sadler at game this weekend
Post by: Entropy on November 13, 2018, 02:52:45 PM
glad both universities are doing this...  Maybe this can springboard into something more permanent each time these teams meet on the field.   And I'm not just thinking a trophy... could be some type of good works for/from each campus...   
Title: Re: neb/msu set to honor punters foltz/sadler at game this weekend
Post by: ELA on November 14, 2018, 11:13:38 AM
Might as well make this the Game thread

Michigan State Spartans (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska Cornhuskers (2-5, 3-7)
NOON - Lincoln, NE - FOX
Chalk this one up as a big "who knows?"  Nebraska is clearly a far, far better team than the one we saw in September.  But all that said, their best actual win is a home win over 5-5 Minnesota.  They do have a pair of close losses to Northwestern and Ohio State in their last five though, and could have been playing for a bowl down the stretch if one of those breaks their way.  For the second week in a row, we have to determine if Michigan State's defense is more elite than an elite offense.  They did all they could do against Ohio State, forcing the Buckeyes off the field time and again, only to have their offense put them back in a terrible situation.  So Michigan State's defense doesn't just have to overcome Nebraska's potent offense, averaging a conference best 6.8 ypp, they have to overcome their own offense, averaging only 4.7 ypp, third worst in the conference.  The Spartans have simply been unable to extend drives, converting third downs at a horrific 22.9% clip, nearly 9% worse than anyone else, including Rutgers.  So they aren't just giving opposing offenses the ball in good field position, they aren't even giving their defense a break, averaging only 19.1 first downs per game, third worst.  Granted they are also only allowing 16.6 first downs per game, second best in the conference.  To flip that, Nebraska is second best, averaging 24.3 first downs per game, but giving up 25, second worst.  So the Spartans have gotten used to playing games with a lot of possessions, a lot of special teams play, while the Cornhuskers are accustomed to long, extending drives, on both sides of the ball.  What makes this game hard to predict is Michigan State's quarterback situation.  Brian Lewerke is clearly hurt, and has been for some time.  But it seems to be getting worse.  This much seems clear to even Lewerke himself at this point, but not to Mark Dantonio.  Rocky Lombardi looked plenty capable in the win over Purdue, after getting first team reps all week, and a gameplan built to his strengths.  Coming in cold off the bench against Maryland and Ohio State he looked like a different guy.  Dantonio has spoken of using him like a reliever, but it doesn't seem like he's capable of that at all.  If Michigan State rolls with Lewerke again, then flips to Lombardi when that inevitably doesn't work, Nebraska will win this game.  If the staff handles Lombardi like they did against Purdue, they still, even with all of the running back and receiver injuries (sounds like now only Cody White may play among the WR group, in addition to L.J. Scott officially being shut down for the year), Michigan State still has enough offensive talent against what is a lousy defense.  But Nebraska is not even asking their defense to just do enough, they've won 2 of their last 3 Big Ten games while surrendering 33 ppg.  While Nebraska's offense is good, I don't think it's as good as Ohio State's, and the Buckeyes managed only 250 total yards, on just 4.2 ypp and 7 points until the defense finally said no mas after MSU's 6 offensive drive of three plays or less, out of 7 drives to start the second half.  The problem is Ohio State won the field position battle all game long.  If Nebraska is working short fields, it means their defense played over their heads, or Michigan State played the wrong quarterback, or both.  If either happens again, Nebraska wins.  But every time this year, I've been ready to write the season off, Michigan State pulls one out.  Nebraska has been Dantonio's fly in the ointment since joining the league, only looking good against them once, 2013.  But if Nebraska holds Michigan State to "only" 33 points, it would mark Nebraska's second best defensive effort in Big Ten play, and Michigan State hasn't allowed more than 31 points all season.  It'll take some big turnovers for Nebraska to get there.
MICHIGAN STATE 33, NEBRASKA 21
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 14, 2018, 11:22:25 AM
This could very well be a winnable game for the Bugeaters. 
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 14, 2018, 11:26:13 AM
This could very well be a winnable game for the Bugeaters.
Absolutely.  MSU needs the offense that they ran against Purdue to win it.  Based on how everything went down after the OSU game, I think they have to prep Lombardi this week.  If they don't, Nebraska wins.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on November 14, 2018, 11:26:46 AM
This could very well be a winnable game for the Bugeaters.
disagree.
as awful as MSU's O has been, Nebraska's D is equally as awful. This is just the perscription that MSU's O needs to get back on track. They will have success against that awful Cornhuskers D.
On the flip side, MSU's D is excellent. Easily the 2nd best D in the conference behind Michigan's. MSU will get physical with Nebraska and slow that offense down.
I like MSU by 10. I'll say, MSU- 31, Nebraska- 21
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: Hoss on November 14, 2018, 02:48:07 PM
Agree with that 31-21 pick.

I expect that MSU will hand it off about 50 times, rack up close to 40 minutes of TOP against our poorly-coached DL, and score 31.

I like our offense over the second half of the season, but 20-odd minutes TOP probably equates to 9-10 total possessions…that just isn’t going to provide enough opportunities to score 30+ against Sparty’s defense. This will be a major test for the revamped OL as well, and I am interested to see how they do compared to the disaster @ Michigan.

This will be a nice soundcheck for the game next week that really matters…Iowa.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 14, 2018, 10:39:41 PM
Looks like we could be getting some snow
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: MarqHusker on November 14, 2018, 11:03:35 PM
Getting snow and ice tonight.  There was some snow in the rows in Lincoln last Saturday from Friday.   
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 14, 2018, 11:14:32 PM
Getting snow and ice tonight.  There was some snow in the rows in Lincoln last Saturday from Friday.  
They keep upping us here, now 3 inches followed by ice.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 16, 2018, 03:11:39 PM
I assume snow and wind and poor weather is better for Sparty

I agree with Mdot.  the poorest offense hasn't been able to make Nebraska's defense look good.

w/o the 2 muffed punts vs Illinois last week it would have been a very tight game.

If Sparty doesn't make a handful of bad mistakes the Huskers can't win.

I'm just hoping the Huskers don't make their usual handful of mistakes and the game in close into the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 16, 2018, 03:15:30 PM
The Cornhuskers are 8-2 all-time against the Spartans, including 5-1 at home with the lone loss in Lincoln coming in 2013. Nebraska is known for drawing a packed stadium and loud crowd but also for its fans to be friendlier than others.

"It's funny, I had never experienced anything like it before I was there the first time too. It's different," Michigan State defensive coordinator and linebackers coach Mike Tressel said. "I think what you have to do is you have to realize that that's all part of the game, how nice they are to you pregame, how they welcome you, how they try to make you feel at home and they're trying to soften your armor a little bit. ... If you look at it that way and try to feel like they're actually disrespecting us by being this nice to us - if you can look at it that way, it's all just good."
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 16, 2018, 03:36:00 PM
I assume snow and wind and poor weather is better for Sparty

I agree with Mdot.  the poorest offense hasn't been able to make Nebraska's defense look good.

w/o the 2 muffed punts vs Illinois last week it would have been a very tight game.

If Sparty doesn't make a handful of bad mistakes the Huskers can't win.

I'm just hoping the Huskers don't make their usual handful of mistakes and the game in close into the 4th quarter.
Ugly has been this series since becoming conference rivals.  A lot of bad play, a lot of sloppy play.  I honestly can't think of an exception.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: MarqHusker on November 16, 2018, 03:46:40 PM
Ugly yes, hairpulling entertaining at times.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 16, 2018, 08:18:35 PM
dern good chance that is ed zachery what we will watch tomorrow
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 16, 2018, 09:46:08 PM
KEY STATISTIC: Nebraska receivers JD Spielman and Stanley Morgan Jr. are one of just two pass-catching duos, and the only Power Five duo in the nation, to each have more than 800 receiving yards in 2018. Old Dominion is the only other school with two 800-yard receivers.

PLAYERS TO WATCH: In what could be a low-scoring, tight game, it’s worth noting that Michigan State sophomore kicker Matt Coghlin is 14-of-16 on field goals this season and is a semifinalist for the Groza Award. … Junior defensive end Kenny Willekes leads the Big Ten with 17 tackles for loss, for 79 yards. He had a career-high 3.5 tackles for loss (8 yards) and one sack (3 yards) against Ohio State. … Nebraska running back Devine Ozigbo, playing in his final game at Memorial Stadium, needs 42 rushing yards to reach 1,000 for the season. He’d be the Huskers’ first 1,000-yard rusher since Ameer Abdullah in 2014. … Huskers linebacker Mohamed Barry is second in the Big Ten in tackles per game (9.3) with 93 total, ranking third in assists (46), and is tied for fifth in solo stops (47).
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 16, 2018, 09:54:01 PM
Ugly yes, hairpulling entertaining at times.
One year Nebraska had 5 turnovers...in their own territory...4 in one half.
The next year I believe Langford lost three fumbles for MSU...his only three of the year
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 16, 2018, 10:04:52 PM
SportsLine Projection Model's score: Michigan State 23, Nebraska 22

Vegas line: Michigan State is favored by 2 (O/U 49.5)

Projected stats: Provided quarterback Brian Lewerke can play through his shoulder injury, he's projected to throw for 210 yards and 1.38 TDs. He gets some help from running back Connor Heyward (68 rushing yards) and receiver Cody White's 66 yards. Adrian Martinez throws for 235 yards and 1.29 touchdowns for the Cornhuskers. Devine Ozigbo rushes for 44 yards and wideout Stanley Morgan gets 66 yards for Nebraska.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: MarqHusker on November 16, 2018, 10:05:53 PM
Sustained winds from the north at 20mph, gusts to 30mph.  High of 32.  Brutal.   I see the total has crept down to 47.5.  I even saw N favored by 1.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: MarqHusker on November 16, 2018, 10:11:50 PM
One year Nebraska had 5 turnovers...in their own territory...4 in one half.
The next year I believe Langford lost three fumbles for MSU...his only three of the year
That was the year Pierson El ran back two 4th qtr punts I think.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 16, 2018, 10:54:08 PM
SportsLine Projection Model's score: Michigan State 23, Nebraska 22

Vegas line: Michigan State is favored by 2 (O/U 49.5)

Projected stats: Provided quarterback Brian Lewerke can play through his shoulder injury, he's projected to throw for 210 yards and 1.38 TDs. He gets some help from running back Connor Heyward (68 rushing yards) and receiver Cody White's 66 yards. Adrian Martinez throws for 235 yards and 1.29 touchdowns for the Cornhuskers. Devine Ozigbo rushes for 44 yards and wideout Stanley Morgan gets 66 yards for Nebraska.
If Lewerke plays, he ain't throwing for 210 yards.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 17, 2018, 10:48:16 AM
Sustained winds from the north at 20mph, gusts to 30mph.  High of 32.  Brutal.   I see the total has crept down to 47.5.  I even saw N favored by 1.
According to VegasInsider (http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/matchups/), the Huskers are now a one-point favorite over the Spartans just hours before kickoff. 
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: MarqHusker on November 17, 2018, 11:44:21 AM
Jd spielman not playing.  Damn.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) at Nebraska (2-5, 3-7) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 17, 2018, 01:03:26 PM
4 fumbles, 2 lost, 3 personal fouls.  Seems about right.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: ELA on November 17, 2018, 03:25:16 PM
If Dantonio won't fire Warner, then he can go too
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: Entropy on November 17, 2018, 03:30:06 PM
color me surprised.   Frost is creating a mentally tough team.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 17, 2018, 05:50:39 PM
A good old fashioned FG kicking contest. 
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: MarqHusker on November 17, 2018, 06:01:05 PM
struggling to remember last Nebraska win on FGs.  I remember they lost in the infamous 9-6 game @ A&M.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: TyphonInc on November 17, 2018, 06:16:23 PM
2 weeks in a row MSU doesn't find the end zone. Yikes.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: ELA on November 17, 2018, 06:18:58 PM
2 weeks in a row MSU doesn't find the end zone. Yikes.
Against two bad defenses.  This offense isn't just bad, it's horrifically, historically bad.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: MarqHusker on November 17, 2018, 06:23:17 PM
Against two bad defenses.  This offense isn't just bad, it's horrifically, historically bad.
Charlie Weis objects.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: Entropy on November 17, 2018, 06:48:36 PM
saw this on twitter....

This was the first time MSU and UNL met since Mike Sadler and Sam Foltz passed away and all the points scored were kicks. 
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: ELA on November 17, 2018, 06:50:24 PM
Someone on Twitter charted 9 MSU drops.  Unacceptable
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: MarqHusker on November 17, 2018, 07:53:30 PM
First Nebraska win w/o a touchdown since 1937.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: TyphonInc on November 17, 2018, 08:28:00 PM
saw this on twitter....

This was the first time MSU and UNL met since Mike Sadler and Sam Foltz passed away and all the points scored were kicks.
Poetic 
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2018, 10:17:46 AM
Ugly yes, hairpulling entertaining at times.
this was obviously true, but I didn't see this coming
no way the Huskers win a defensive slugfest vs Sparty
no way Freshman Barret Pickering out kicks Coghlin
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: ELA on November 18, 2018, 01:44:52 PM
S&P+ now has MSU #4 in defense, #115 in offense.

For comparison, 2012 was #2 and #89.  Oddly that 7-6 team was #15 overall in S&P+.  I want to say 5 of their 6 losses we're by 6 points to or less, so maybe luck factor wasn't in their favor, because that seems REALLY high for a 7-6 team in a year I don't recall the Big Ten being particularly strong.

This year #31 overall, which actually ahead of some ranked teams like Texas, Kentucky and Syracuse
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on November 18, 2018, 01:49:05 PM
S&P+ now has MSU #4 in defense, #115 in offense.

For comparison, 2012 was #2 and #89.  Oddly that 7-6 team was #15 overall in S&P+.  I want to say 5 of their 6 losses we're by 6 points to or less, so maybe luck factor wasn't in their favor, because that seems REALLY high for a 7-6 team in a year I don't recall the Big Ten being particularly strong.

This year #31 overall, which actually ahead of some ranked teams like Texas, Kentucky and Syracuse
I don't know how teams like Syracuse and Kentucky were ranked so high. Still trying to figure that out.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2018, 01:59:20 PM
Syracuse and Kentucky had not played anyone with a pulse and had fewer losses

lazy pollsters
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: Hoss on November 19, 2018, 10:43:26 AM
Well, that was an unexpected game. Weather was worse that I thought it was going to be.

Sparty's OC should be tarred and feathered for calling 41 passes, especially when A Gap runs were getting chuck yards, but he has my appreciation. 

Lombardi could be a pretty good player when all is said and done. Sparty needs better wideouts though. 
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: Entropy on November 19, 2018, 10:46:38 AM
I'd bet Iowa won't pass 41 times this week.  They'll see the film and will challenge UNL to stop the inside running game.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: ELA on November 19, 2018, 10:52:45 AM
Well, that was an unexpected game. Weather was worse that I thought it was going to be.

Sparty's OC should be tarred and feathered for calling 41 passes, especially when A Gap runs were getting chuck yards, but he has my appreciation.

Lombardi could be a pretty good player when all is said and done. Sparty needs better wideouts though.

Well our best wideout is done for the season, and Cody White is a few games back from a broken hand, and clearly not what he was when healthy.  Cam Chambers never developed, and Jalen Nailor is a true freshman, who shows flashes but has to grow.  That's basically what we got.  We were playing a pair of walk ons out of desperation.  Would have been nice if Rison and Jackson hadn't transferred.
No MSU fan will argue with you that the OC needs to go.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on November 19, 2018, 12:09:51 PM
if the Spartans don't drop about 7-8 balls the 41 pass attempts wouldn't look so bad, because they would have scored more points and got the "W"
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on November 19, 2018, 12:11:09 PM
I'd bet Iowa won't pass 41 times this week.  They'll see the film and will challenge UNL to stop the inside running game.
very true, but Iowa's run game hasn't been what it was the past couple seasons
I guess my fingers are crossed
Brian Ferentz seems to want to air it out more
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: Hoss on November 19, 2018, 12:24:35 PM
if the Spartans don't drop about 7-8 balls the 41 pass attempts wouldn't look so bad, because they would have scored more points and got the "W"
Alonzo Moore wants another chance to catch one too. 
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on November 19, 2018, 12:29:57 PM
yup, JD Spielman would have liked to had a couple chances

hopefully, he's full go in Kinnick
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: Hoss on November 19, 2018, 03:02:47 PM
I think we really need to get more out of Damian Daniels next week. We brought him out of the bullpen against Sparty, but the difference in how the LOS bends- or doesn't- when he's playing is fairly dramatic. He might be challenged to wardaddy-up and play 40 minutes instead of 20 for the last outing of 2018. 

Finding another legit NT should be priority No. 1 for defensive recruiting IMO. 
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on November 19, 2018, 08:08:25 PM
gotta have that huge Vince Wilfolk type playing 3-4 in the Big Ten

Daniels seems to be coming along slowly as the season goes.  Needs a big jump this week.

might need to go the JUCO route again for a nose if they don't think they can put 15 lbs on Carlos Davis

hopefully Tony Fair can hit the ground running

Vaha Vainuku hasn't blossomed.  I'm skeptical he's the guy

Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: Hoss on November 19, 2018, 10:45:07 PM
I had similar thoughts on playing NT in the BIG...maybe the toughest league to do so. Wisco makes it work, and Michigan has dabbled in 30 fronts, but they may not be 2 gapping. 

Fair will be a welcome addition, if he qualifies. Still, it often takes a year for JC's to figure it out...and we need to be signing a prepster or two for the future. Takes some time to build a quality Nose. Thought I heard Vainuku had moved to OG. 

I just don't believe the Davises can fill the role. Watching Carlos get stood up and pancaked mano-a-mano by the Sparty C early was the last straw for me. Look like Tarzan, play like Jane.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on November 20, 2018, 10:37:55 PM
most important position on the defense

gotta be dominant
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: bayareabadger on November 21, 2018, 12:02:50 AM
Syracuse and Kentucky had not played anyone with a pulse and had fewer losses

lazy pollsters
Kentucky's schedule is something line No. 15 and includes Florida and Miss State teams that should finish a solid enough 9-4 and a somewhat strong 8-4. That's not bad by any stretch for a lower echelon top 25 team. 
That might be a case of lazy posters 
Syracuse, ehhh. If they get to 9-3, they'll have wins over one 9-3 team (barring upsets) a 7-5 and some drek, though most of that is conference stuff. They'll have two losses that you can basically excuse and a division champion, granted they're all ACC teams, so in most cases we'll brush aside the idea of quality. 
(The more complex issue is that once you dig in, few resumes look that good, unless you're weighing multiple quality losses, which most folks don't. Especially if you try to go second order on it. If you dismiss the loss things, which I get to a degree, you'll mix in some four-loss top-15 teams, which I can live with but irks a lot of folks)
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: ELA on November 21, 2018, 08:24:23 AM
Kentucky has a peak MSU resume, but with a couple more losses.  Their SOS and SOR is really good.  But they aren't beating anyone, including the teams they should, convincingly, so the methods that value that more don't like them
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: Cincydawg on November 21, 2018, 09:50:16 AM
Kentucky has a decent mid-range team, I think.  They had a close road loss to A&M, another decent mid-range team (I'm using the term fairly liberally) and beat Florida on the road and Miss State.

They had a bad loss to Tennessee no doubt and got overrun by Georgia at home.  I predicted the Tenn loss because I think they threw all their emotions at UGA and had nothing in the tank.

They beat everyone they were supposed to beat and likely will finish 9-3, which is generally good enough for a second ten ranking, especially this season.

Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: SFBadger96 on November 21, 2018, 10:24:35 AM
Syracuse's biggest win may have been its 4-point loss at Clemson. That and the Orange score a lot, which people like.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on November 21, 2018, 12:11:17 PM
bravo

4 point loss
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: SFBadger96 on November 21, 2018, 03:50:31 PM
Oh, I hear you. Just pointing to what caught people's attention. I think.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on November 21, 2018, 11:09:45 PM
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Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: bayareabadger on November 21, 2018, 11:28:09 PM
bravo

4 point loss
They beat a team that will win nine games unless it takes a bad upset. 
It's a soft nine-win team, but the nature of college football is things rarely look good when you ask who did you beat beat, and this year the gooey middle of the upper echelon has an ACC middle class feel. 
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-4, 6-5) at Nebraska (3-5, 4-7) Post Game
Post by: bayareabadger on November 21, 2018, 11:30:18 PM
Kentucky has a peak MSU resume, but with a couple more losses.  Their SOS and SOR is really good.  But they aren't beating anyone, including the teams they should, convincingly, so the methods that value that more don't like them
Bingo. I think it would be best to say this. They are relatively accomplished, but not strong. 
They're also gonna hurt their SOS by playing Louisville, which is just great.