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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Mdot21 on November 13, 2018, 10:58:03 AM
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how isn't there a thread on this already! Smith went full blown psycho on twitter Sunday night and Monday afternoon. Attacked Tom Herman and published text messages between the two. I don't know how to embed tweets, someone here needs to embed all those tweets. They were glorious. Talk about a guy truly falling apart and off the rails. It's like watching a train wreck.
Brett McMurphy just released an article today on his new site that alleges that Zach Smith called former Ohio State WR Trevon Grimes the N word in practice and that Urban helped keep it all hush hush.
https://watchstadium.com/news/the-search-for-the-truth-about-trevon-grimes-transfer-from-ohio-state-to-florida-11-13-2018/
Urban has got to be thinking when will this nightmare just freaking end.
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https://www.12up.com/posts/6220588-disgraced-former-osu-coach-zach-smith-accuses-tom-herman-of-cheating-on-his-wife/partners/36273
12up did a summary of the tweets... or some of them at least.
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https://twitter.com/YoungKing_JD5/status/1062366442950193152
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https://twitter.com/YoungKing_JD5/status/1062366442950193152
I don't think it happened either. Regardless, it's not a good look for Urban or OSU. And probably would've never been published if Zach Smith didn't go into a full blown twitter meltdown Sunday & Monday.
Urban has got to be praying that Zach will just shut the f up and stay off twitter and disappear.
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Red meat for the Wolverine fans. That's about the extent of it.
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Yawn. McMurphy realeases another anti OSU article as the season is in the stretch run. Shocker. He has not written about anything else.
I am sure the dorks On Mboard will love it.
Lastly, Zach needs to put the bottle down. What an idiot.
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glad to see most buckeye fans have come around to agree with UNL fans on coach smith... =)
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Red meat for the Wolverine fans. That's about the extent of it.
It's a bad look. And more unnecessary controversy for Urban and the school. Brought on entirely by Zach Smith and his drunken twitter meltdowns.
I'm surprised that OSU hasn't made some kind of settlement with the guy and paid him handsomely to stay off of twitter and out of the public spotlight. It'd be worth shelling over $1 million just to make the guy shut up for good.
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Okay.
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Okay.
I believe the correct response would've been,
Ok. Cool.
Hook Em.
:hee20hee20hee:
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that actually made me LOL
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I suspect Zach did no one any favors.
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https://twitter.com/YoungKing_JD5/status/1062366442950193152
Good find Brutus - McMurphy really is the Jerry Springer of the sports world.Throw a ton of shit against the wall and see what sticks.That said ZS is a juvenile asshole and deserves alot of crap that comes his way.McMurphy tried to minimalize what Courtney's mother said about her own daughter.Only after courtney's mom repeated what she said did McDouche back off.ZS should have just kept his mouth shut and let things blow over for a decade.But McMurphy should be open to a slander/libel case making up potentially harmful crap like that.Put them both on a slow boat to China
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It's a bad look. And more unnecessary controversy for Urban and the school. Brought on entirely by Zach Smith and his drunken twitter meltdowns.
I'm surprised that OSU hasn't made some kind of settlement with the guy and paid him handsomely to stay off of twitter and out of the public spotlight. It'd be worth shelling over $1 million just to make the guy shut up for good.
I hate to sort of agree with you but this was why i was absolutely livid at Meyer for nursing that unproductive cancer.Thru no fault the University gets a black eye while UFM on the happy side of 7 mil.per did nothing until the media hounds said something smells
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McMurphy is clearly out to nail Zach.
Part of me thinks it might be because he doesn’t like Zach and he geniuinley believes Zach is a wife beater.
McMurphy should be above this kind of stuff. He’s been an excellent reporter and has broken some really big stories in cfb ovdr the years that’s why this gossip crusade against ZS is so surprising to me.
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I don't think it happened either. Regardless,
Ya well you shouldn't be able to scream fire in a crowded theater just to get a reaction.Call the guy an asshole and be done with it.But to try to paint him up as a racist because an anonymous source on social media said so - that's yellow journalism.Beginning to wonder if either Smith or McMurphy will ever work for a legit employer again
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Ya well you shouldn't be able to scream fire in a crowded theater just to get a reaction.Call the guy an asshole and be done with it.But to try to paint him up as a racist because an anonymous source on social media said so - that's yellow journalism.Beginning to wonder if either Smith or McMurphy will ever work for a legit employer again
Well McMurphy is working.
Zach Smith? His twitter rants have basically ensured he’ll never coach again.
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This is kind of awesome. It's implied that Urban had Trevon Grimes' mom make up a cancer diagnosis to protect Zach Smith from calling Grimes the n-word during practice.
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i think we (as cfb fans/society) should listen to grimes' mother. she has some remarkably valid points and we should be respecting her privacy more so than trying to throw more dirt on zs/urban. mcmurphy didn't come out squeaky clean in the urban fiasco, and this is making him look like trash, imo.
grimes' mother's response:
“I understand there is great interest in college football and the personalities involved. But that does not give anyone the right to invade the privacy and personal health information of mothers whose sons happen to play college football. The NCAA cleared TreVon for eligibility based on their rules after I provided the required documentation about my illness. My oncologist has attested to it. For anyone to accuse me of making up an illness for any reason is vile and hurtful. Coach Urban Meyer has been a good friend to both me and TreVon during this entire process, and to accuse him of misconduct in this case is unfair as well. He tried to help any way he could, including referring me to doctors at Ohio State he thought could help.
“If my ex-husband is the person spreading these rumors, everyone should know that neither I nor TreVon have any contact with him whatsoever. He knows nothing about my health and nothing about TreVon’s transfer to UF. He is an abuser and the worst kind of role model, and he is no longer in TreVon’s life.
“I know that stories about college football coaches and players will continue to be news, but I ask that my health be kept out of it. I did not ask to be in the spotlight, and I am angry that someone has tried to put me there.”
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Good Post RTF
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It's a bad look. And more unnecessary controversy for Urban and the school. Brought on entirely by Zach Smith and his drunken twitter meltdowns.
I'm surprised that OSU hasn't made some kind of settlement with the guy and paid him handsomely to stay off of twitter and out of the public spotlight. It'd be worth shelling over $1 million just to make the guy shut up for good.
it might cost less to just shut him up for good
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This is kind of awesome. It's implied that Urban had Trevon Grimes' mom make up a cancer diagnosis to protect Zach Smith from calling Grimes the n-word during practice.
I didn't read it that way.... I read it as implying a meeting occurred and a plan was put in place to allow both parties to walk away and say no more. That is how it reads to me.
people will conclude what they want/believe.... my conclusion is everyone involved has dirt on them.
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Why is this a thing anyone cares about?
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Good Post RTF
fwiw, it doesn't just apply to this situation, but this one does bring it out in the worst possible and most public way. but i'm guilty of being too nosy when/why a kid is transferring and what potential ailments his family might or might not be facing. and, as a fan, i have 0 reason or right to know such info. i'm sure some might abuse the system, but it is not for me to know or decide if they are. the ncaa is far from above reproach, but this is something they and the schools should be handling with as little public info released as possible.
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Why is this a thing anyone cares about?
because most folks don't care for Urban
almost no one cares for Zach
and those folks want to see the carnage
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fwiw, it doesn't just apply to this situation, but this one does bring it out in the worst possible and most public way. but i'm guilty of being too nosy when/why a kid is transferring and what potential ailments his family might or might not be facing. and, as a fan, i have 0 reason or right to know such info. i'm sure some might abuse the system, but it is not for me to know or decide if they are. the ncaa is far from above reproach, but this is something they and the schools should be handling with as little public info released as possible.
I would have agreed with that years ago... but the NCAA is such a fraud (imo) that even if this was presented to them and they had the facts... they'd do nothing to disrupt the status quo. I'm not suggesting medical records should be shared or illnesses challenged. That is dangerous and scary, imo. But I don't think the NCAA would handle. Guess that means keep it behind closed doors and continue the with the games.
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btw.. the tweets are really more interesting to me... but there is limited discussion. =)
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I would have agreed with that years ago... but the NCAA is such a fraud (imo) that even if this was presented to them and they had the facts... they'd do nothing to disrupt the status quo. I'm not suggesting medical records should be shared or illnesses challenged. That is dangerous and scary, imo. But I don't think the NCAA would handle. Guess that means keep it behind closed doors and continue the with the games.
i'm not so sure. it seems most of the ncaa problems stem from legal/political/social grey areas, like paying players, eligibility, etc. there's often not a right answer that everyone agrees with.
but i don't think this is an area where i've ever heard of them mucking it up terribly. i believe all but the most heinous people can make a good decision about players transferring for medical family issues.
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Why is this a thing anyone cares about?
Zach Smith was on twitter claiming he saw Tom Herman snort cocaine off a strippers boobs and went to an Asian massage parlor with him.
I’m sorry but this is just fascinating. Zach Smith is melting down on twitter and making himself look like the jackass we all knew he was. Truly fascinating.
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i'm not so sure. it seems most of the ncaa problems stem from legal/political/social grey areas, like paying players, eligibility, etc. there's often not a right answer that everyone agrees with.
but i don't think this is an area where i've ever heard of them mucking it up terribly. i believe all but the most heinous people can make a good decision about players transferring for medical family issues.
I'd guess we can find more grey than you'd think. Driving home on the weekends to take care of his family is a lot easier from central florida than gainsville.. so where is that line drawn? Is Georgia too far away? FSU? ... for example.
The actual answer, imo, is more freedom to transfer schools/programs. Rid the process of all these rules and games and just make it easier to change schools.. as easy as it is for coaches. And then apply this universally to all the NCAA's rules. What happens now is inconsistency (at least from the outside) and games to give the process legitimacy. jmo
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Zach Smith was on twitter claiming he saw Tom Herman snort cocaine off a strippers boobs and went to an Asian massage parlor with him.
I’m sorry but this is just fascinating. Zach Smith is melting down on twitter and making himself look like the jackass we all knew he was. Truly fascinating.
yea... he pretty much crushed any hope of rehabbing and getting another chance in the future.
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https://twitter.com/PCampbell21/status/1062367796808638465
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https://twitter.com/TheTateMartell/status/1062384252594069504
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https://twitter.com/Austin_Mack10/status/1062367368268185601
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so.... when will Zach Smith tweet again?
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so.... when will Zach Smith tweet again?
he should seriously just delete his twitter account and never go on social media again. The guy is his own worst enemy.
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Someone should do a wellness check on Super Mario. It's not like him to take this long to answer the bat signal.
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and those folks want to see the carnage
It's exactly why I don't do twatter or FacePlace.So much of social media/internet has turned into vitriol and malevolence,smear campaigns and character assassination.Go have a beer and a belly laugh and stay away from Zach and strip clubs or Herman and massage parlors or anything McDouche writes
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he should seriously just delete his twitter account and never go on social media again. The guy is his own worst enemy.
I honestly pity his kids and wish them the best.The chastising and berating they'll hear down the road could be brutal - hopefully not
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Can I vote for two wrongs here:
1. Brett McMurphy seems to have become to emotionally connected to a story, a journalism boo boo. At least initially it appears he jumped on single source to pump these new allegations out there. Now he has egg on his face.
2. Zach Smith is an absolute fruitcake, as is the whole Smith clan. The world would be better off without all of them. His cousins and mother are actually more vile then him in their twitter responses and the names and disgusting words they are directing at these women. I genuinely worry what harm Zach might cause to others and hope this next generation of kids in the family can completely remove themselves from the toxic Bruce/Smith clan.
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I honestly pity his kids and wish them the best.The chastising and berating they'll hear down the road could be brutal - hopefully not
I feel terrible for his kids. Dad is definitely crazy and Mom probably is too.
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Why is this a new thread? The conversation is mostly over, but better to have the same conversation be done in one place than in two.
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Why is this a new thread? The conversation is mostly over, but better to have the same conversation be done in one place than in two.
couldn't find the old thread. And this is a new development. Zach was on twitter basically claiming Herman is a drug addict who constantly cheats on his wife. Just like Zach. Probably drinking buds.
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It's exactly why I don't do twatter or FacePlace.So much of social media/internet has turned into vitriol and malevolence,smear campaigns and character assassination.Go have a beer and a belly laugh and stay away from Zach and strip clubs or Herman and massage parlors or anything McDouche writes
It can be. But to some extent that's more about the people we look at and the people we are. If we think the world is kind, we'll never find a shortage of examples. If we think its malevolent, ditto. That's born both of our perspective and our circles of friends.
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couldn't find the old thread. And this is a new development. Zach was on twitter basically claiming Herman is a drug addict who constantly cheats on his wife. Just like Zach. Probably drinking buds.
Wasn't coming down on ya. Just voting for the merge. One Zach Smith thread is enough for a thousand lives. Two is an overdose.
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Such a base thing like behaving and he's on easy street pretty much the rest of his life.Guys like Sarkasian,Petrino,ZS and their ilk it just doesn't register in their medula
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the mullet was right on about twitter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSgqoCfY0Wc
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McMurphy on Columbus Radio admits his only goal is to get Meyer fired.
"If they would just fire Meyer, then isn't a story I need to write."
Meyer on a sound bite says he is talking with University Lawyers to see if there is a defamation of character lawsuit possibility.
I think McMurphy has crossed what ever journalistic integrity line there is.
ESPN talking head of all people just said "Shame on The Athletic for printing such garbage."
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The "knowingly false" standard makes most defamation trials proceedings dead on arrival. And unless McMurphy has subpoenable documents saying "I know it's false, colleague, but I'm on a vendetta to get him," there's no way Meyer's lawyers will humor this string of though UNLESS they want to intimidate McMurphy with the idea of defamation and think it'll work even if the trial can't succeed.
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Such a base thing like behaving and he's on easy street pretty much the rest of his life.Guys like Sarkasian,Petrino,ZS and their ilk it just doesn't register in their medula
Their medullas are registering. That's how they're breathing.
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The "knowingly false" standard makes most defamation trials proceedings dead on arrival. And unless McMurphy has subpoenable documents saying "I know it's false, colleague, but I'm on a vendetta to get him," there's no way Meyer's lawyers will humor this string of though UNLESS they want to intimidate McMurphy with the idea of defamation and think it'll work even if the trial can't succeed.
They may have a case people are sick of that shit.I haven't been the biggest supporter of Urban but that's yellow journalism on full display.Taking someone's slanderous story and running with it and presenting it as fact is incompetence - ignorance of the law is no excuse.Maybe we should ask ELA,MH or Max Sam
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If McMurphy either *thinks* it *may* be true, OR knows it isn't true but there is no subpoenable proof of that ... then defamation success is essentially impossible.
For Meyer's lawyers to succeed, they'd need BOTH for McMurphy to have *known* this is absolutely untrue and for evidence of his knowledge to be findable by them.
That's why defamation suits are so difficult. It's an enormous burden to prove. For either of two reasons, Meyer's lawyers realistically have no chance.
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Their medullas are registering. That's how they're breathing.
I don't think any oxygen is getting to their coconuts
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It's an enormous burden to prove. For either of two reasons, Meyer's lawyers realistically have no chance.
according to you,it's legal malpractice I hope they go for it.They have witnesses to the actual incident who call bullshit.That would carry weight if I sat on a jury
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No not legal malpractice. I'm just talking about defamation. To succeed you need to PROVE both things:
- that McMurphy KNEW (not thought, not wondered, not waffled, but KNEW WITH CERTAINTY) the claim was untrue
- that McMurphy intended harm and be able to PROVE that intent
Both are so hard to accomplish legally. And in this case we likely cannot possibly pass step one.
How would you prove that there's a 0.0000% chance that McMurphy didn't know this wasn't true?
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I'm not even defending McMurphy, btw. Whenever anyone hears the word "Defamation," they should almost always respond with "Ha, well that's never happening."
The ratio of times used to times succeeded for that word probably approaches more than one million to one.
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He didn't bother interviewing Trevon obviously who is the center of his story.Something's fucked when you fail to gather facts and post them as such.If it got to a jury I believe they would shove it up his ass regardless of what a judge suggests or the law implies - it was a lie and wrong.It was slander pure and simple
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Oh, it's a crap story. But the burden necessary to prove it's a crap story is easy. This isn't even a grain of sand closer to proving defamation.
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If nothing else I’d sue because it’d cost McMurphy money or time, pay for a lawyer unless he’s got some type of insurance.
Z Smith is a douche, urban is an A hole by most people’s standards and McMurphy is an idiot for not trying to find a 2nd source to corroborate when there had to be at least 15 people to check with, including the subject himself.
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If nothing else I’d sue because it’d cost McMurphy money or time, pay for a lawyer unless he’s got some type of insurance.
Z Smith is a douche, urban is an A hole by most people’s standards and McMurphy is an idiot for not trying to find a 2nd source to corroborate when there had to be at least 15 people to check with, including the subject himself.
Completely agree. This is one of the things I was trying to get at above when I typed that even though a defamation case is doomed to fail at trial, it could be worth it in terms of trying to pinch or intimidate McMurphy.
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So you agree McMurphy didn't corroborate when that was basically what I was saying and I see why in this case it is indeed prosecutable when he didn't do his homework and ran with slanderous rancor
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I'm saying McMurphy wrote a sloppy article and skipped pursuing obvious sources.
This is not the same thing as a 100.00% chance that he knowingly lied to intentionally hurt Urban Meyer, which is why defamation is a nonstarter.
Calling him v. bad at his job this week is an easy-to-starter. Entirely different.
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Considering how desperate ESPN is to seek clicks, I can only imagine the position of a start up like Stadium. I wouldn't bet against him being told to do this. This is his/their "thing" now, and the lengths to which they are going to try and give it legs is actually turning me away from Stadium before it ever even gets going. I figured it would happen eventually, I haven't watched ESPN for anything other than live sports (and the occasional Gameday in the background) in probably a decade. Every time I think some new media source is going to go high and take a different angle they let me down. We heard that with NBCSN, and while I guess they sort of have, they've also avoided seemingly anything but soccer and hockey. We hoped with FS1, and they immediately went and paid for all the ESPN blowhards (Bayless, Cowherd, Whitlock) they could find.
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Folks here know they get better analysis here so ESPN THs become irrelevant, or at best, amusing.
What does that "E" stand for?
I'd like to believe most/all posters here are pretty knowledgeable and receptive to other viewpoints. Much of what I see on ESPN etc. looks to me like shrill outlandish stuff just to get attention. They could hire Crunch and be an upgrade. Not really.
They have to fill a LOT of time when nothing is happening as well. I recall the old days when they'd show Australian Rules Football. Fondly.
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I believe the correct response would've been,
Ok. Cool.
Hook Em.
:hee20hee20hee:
As you might expect, that perfectly turned phrase is trending strongly in the state of Texas. :)
Personally I kind of like the idea that UT's head coach and his wife were snorting nose candy off a peeler's rack together. I'm gonna continue to believe it's true.
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I guess Zach won't be coaching anywhere any time soon, or ever.
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I would guess many of us here would love to be a QB coach at a major program (assume we had the skills needed). You get paid rather nicely, right, probably $400 K or so, and in return you have to work pretty hard, long hours, not much time off, and keep your nose clean and free of white powder and other things.
You might need to guard against the possibility of embarrassing personal revelations, but that is true for most of us.
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I guess Zach won't be coaching anywhere any time soon, or ever.
Yeah, he never successfully defended against the idea that his main contribution to OSU was toxicity. Instead, he fed it gasoline.
I worry the days with the biggest odds of him doing something terrible to hurt people are not behind him.
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Yeah, he never successfully defended against the idea that his main contribution to OSU was toxicity. Instead, he fed it gasoline.
I worry the days with the biggest odds of him doing something terrible to hurt people are not behind him.
Yeah, if this is who he was when he had something to lose, now that he doesn't...
That's usually when things end tragically, when you take that away from someone, warranted or not.
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I would guess many of us here would love to be a QB coach at a major program (assume we had the skills needed). You get paid rather nicely, right, probably $400 K or so, and in return you have to work pretty hard, long hours, not much time off, and keep your nose clean and free of white powder and other things.
You might need to guard against the possibility of embarrassing personal revelations, but that is true for most of us.
As long as we loved it, yes. Having a burning passion for an activity really changes the employment equation. Without it, we can only imagine "working to live," to get dollars for other things worth doing. But if a person nicely eclipses his passion and employment, "living to work," having long work days be a joy to be wished for, becomes suddenly probable. Because aside from friends and family, a job you love would be the funnest, most meaningful way to spend a life.
With that in mind, we'd only love being high paid coaches if we loved coaching above all else. But that may not describe anyone here. So at best we might like it somewhat more than a hard, lower paying job. But my prediction is that initial pay stub euphoria would wear out far sooner than we'd expect and we'd still be ourselves in a job we didn't like.
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Yeah, if this is who he was when he had something to lose, now that he doesn't...
That's usually when things end tragically, when you take that away from someone, warranted or not.
I hate how prophetic it already sounds.
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I guess Zach won't be coaching anywhere any time soon, or ever.
He might’ve had a shot if he just kept his head down and stayed out of the public eye and tried hard to rehab himself and then later down the road work on his image and try and ask for forgiveness and try and sell himself as a changed man.
Dude lit what tiny chance he might’ve had at a comeback on fire with his interviews and his drunken twitter rants.
He is the prime example of how not to handle things.
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He had about as much a chance of landing another coaching gig as Mike McQueery.
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That's the danger of identity. He sees himself as the good guy being made victim by countless greedy ill intentions and he "won't stand for it." So he could never step back and gain the necessary perspective. Instead he dove in to stand up for himself, with this aneurysm of hope that he could strong arm enough people to change their mind.
I guess a parallel could be drawn to medicine. This guy named Paracelsus once said that everything in the world is a poison if you get too high of a dose. And Zach probably thought well of who he is without realizing the nasty O.D. of himself he was giving the world. He was far too clouded to notice how toxic he's been. So, poof goes the career.
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He had about as much a chance of landing another coaching gig as Mike McQueery.
Not sure I agree with that. He could've worked his way back. He could've went to silent and tried to go into therapy and rehab and go work at some high school in the middle of nowhere for free and start trying to rebuild his image, maybe go work for some D3 school in the middle of nowhere in Wyoming and start to just grind and keep his mouth shut and work his way back. Maybe do a few interviews saying how sorry he was, he used to have problems with alcohol and things might've gone over the line with his ex-wife a few times and claim he never abused her and correctly point out that he was never charged with anything and tell people how he's found god and goes to church all the time now yada yada yada.
America is a very forgiving country. This is the land of second chances.
One thing it doesn't forgive however is pedophilia. McQueary being involved in a pedophilia scandal makes him virtually untouchable forever. What McQueary did was unforgivable. If you see someone molesting a child in a shower you immediately go beat the life out of that person and then call the police. That's what a normal human being would do at least.
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Considering how desperate ESPN is to seek clicks, I can only imagine the position of a start up like Stadium. I wouldn't bet against him being told to do this. This is his/their "thing" now, and the lengths to which they are going to try and give it legs is actually turning me away from Stadium before it ever even gets going. I figured it would happen eventually, I haven't watched ESPN for anything other than live sports (and the occasional Gameday in the background) in probably a decade. Every time I think some new media source is going to go high and take a different angle they let me down. We heard that with NBCSN, and while I guess they sort of have, they've also avoided seemingly anything but soccer and hockey. We hoped with FS1, and they immediately went and paid for all the ESPN blowhards (Bayless, Cowherd, Whitlock) they could find.
Spot on. I watch and listen to almost no sports talk or sports television, outside of actual games themselves.
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Not sure I agree with that. He could've worked his way back. He could've went to silent and tried to go into therapy and rehab and go work at some high school in the middle of nowhere for free and start trying to rebuild his image, maybe go work for some D3 school in the middle of nowhere in Wyoming and start to just grind and keep his mouth shut and work his way back. Maybe do a few interviews saying how sorry he was, he used to have problems with alcohol and things might've gone over the line with his ex-wife a few times and claim he never abused her and correctly point out that he was never charged with anything and tell people how he's found god and goes to church all the time now yada yada yada.
America is a very forgiving country. This is the land of second chances.
One thing it doesn't forgive however is pedophilia. McQueary being involved in a pedophilia scandal makes him virtually untouchable forever. What McQueary did was unforgivable. If you see someone molesting a child in a shower you immediately go beat the life out of that person and then call the police. That's what a normal human being would do at least.
That's preposterous.
His career is dead as a doornail, and he's trying to take Herman down with him.
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His career is dead as a doornail, and he's trying to take Herman down with him.
But Herman is being smart. The best way to not be taken down is to be normal (and certainly not defensive!). So whether or not he has skeletons, he's just playing it cool, so his skeleton possibilities stand out less, and nobody cares.
Urban and Zach couldn't ever afford to be as aloof as Herman is being, because they were closer to the thing and would come off as being aloof about domestic assault, BUT they could learn a lot from Herman's restraint. He's not standing up for himself. That's a very strong P.R. move.
Zach and Urban badly burned themselves by repeatedly talking about how good they actually are when the public could only accept complete contriteness or dead silence. Contriteness followed by "but" doesn't count. So just get off twitter already.
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Sexual Assault?
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I side with the concept Zach could have resurrected his career. Go to cancelling/rehab... show remorse... proactively become an advocate and help people change/see the light... start over. Prove you can stay out of trouble for a few years and Div 1 would let you back in, IF you are a quality coach.
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Sexual Assault?
I edited it to say domestic. Similar words (and not unrelated ideas); honest mistake. Glad you corrected me. Full stop. It could also have been a bit of a Freudian slip, since one of the allegations qualified for both DA and SA.
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this is amazing. LOL. Tom Herman's wife wearing a t-shirt that says OK Cool. Hook 'Em.
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if you think that is amazin, check her twitter feed
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She looks like he met her at a gentlemen's club.
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according to Zach, she was there sniffing strippers
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Cool. If he found a hot wife that doesn't mind sharing her man, then good for him. Living the dream.
She's probably high maintenance, but he can afford it.
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according to Zach, she was there sniffing strippers
I think you meant sniffing coke off strippers. That might be something different...
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I believe Zach could have found his way back with some basic contrition and riding out the storm at a lower level.
The problem with that though isn’t necessarily Zach. It’s his family. A few glances at social media provide a quick glimpse that Zach himself is pretty tame compared to a few of his cousins, his mother, and others. Typically they would be the ones offering advisement and guardrails through a process like this. Instead they are more vile and toxic in how they are referencing certain individuals. It becomes abundantly clear Zach is a product of a pretty screwed up family. Earle didn’t raise em well.
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I think you meant sniffing coke off strippers. That might be something different...
it might be something different