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Title: Indiana (2-6, 5-6) at #4 Michigan (8-0, 10-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 11, 2018, 05:08:14 PM
Boy am I hoping to learn later this season that last week was spent focusing on OSU instead of Rutgers.
Title: Re: (5-5, 2-5) Indiana at #4 (9-1, 7-0) Michigan
Post by: ELA on November 11, 2018, 05:09:28 PM
Kick is at 4, so should be mostly in the dark.  Wonder if they get that cool snow globe they did two years ago.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 11, 2018, 05:18:31 PM
Kick is at 4, so should be mostly in the dark.  Wonder if they get that cool snow globe they did two years ago.
I'll be at this one too and am hoping so much that we do.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on November 12, 2018, 11:29:51 AM
expect ultra-conservative game plan and a really tight game. Michigan is favored by 27.5 points but they aren't going to win by that many. Game will be way closer than it should be. I don't think they'll lose to Indiana but I could see them only winning by a score.

24-17 or something like that.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 12, 2018, 11:36:44 AM
Ultimate trap game. 
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on November 12, 2018, 11:41:55 AM
Ultimate trap game.
not sure it's the ultimate trap game, seeing as the game is at home and it's home-coming and the last game at home all the seniors on that team will play. I'm sure Chase will have those guys ready to go.
I think Ohio State on the road at Maryland is more of the ultimate trap game. Maryland's offense can generate big plays when it's clicking. And Ohio State's defense loves to give up the big play.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 12, 2018, 11:54:16 AM
OSU @ Maryland is "more" of a trap game, no doubt about that, but this is the Michigan-Indiana thread. 

And Indiana won't have to deal with the distractions associated with homecoming, as well as the senior day festivities. 
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on November 12, 2018, 02:35:05 PM
Harbaugh says starting CB LaVert Hill is in concussion protocol. Might miss the Indiana game.

He also said Kwity Paye is A OK. Just landed on his funny bone wrong and was held out as precaution. Translation: we don't need him to kick Rutgers' ass but we're gonna need him for Ohio State.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: LetsGoPeay on November 12, 2018, 03:36:34 PM
IU has played Michigan tough lately, no matter where the game is.

I just want IU to be healthy going into the Bucket Game. 
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on November 12, 2018, 03:47:45 PM
IU has played Michigan tough lately, no matter where the game is.

I just want IU to be healthy going into the Bucket Game.
this is true. Indiana has played M tough of late. Which is why I think it’ll be a lot closer than the experts and Vegas think.
Just talking out loud- know it doesn’t have anything to do with this game in particular- but if Michigan had just kept Arkansas on the schedule instead of bought the game out and schedule ND they’d be 10-0 right now probably ranked #3 heading into Indiana. 
This playoff committee is FOS. Makes zero sense to schedule tough early season openers vs legit P5 competition. You’re better off scheduling middling programs from P5 like Oregon St or Arkansas.
Whoever signed off on buying out Arkansas and scheduling ND should be slapped right now.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: TresselownsUM on November 12, 2018, 03:56:31 PM
ND game not hurting UM at all, win out and they are in. If UM was 10-0 right now and lost to OSU or in Indy they’d be out anyways, so 9-1 or 10-0 is irrelevant. 

I can see IU putting up a fight for a half, but UM will win 34-14 ish.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Kris60 on November 12, 2018, 03:58:37 PM
ND game not hurting UM at all, win out and they are in. If UM was 10-0 right now and lost to OSU or in Indy they’d be out anyways, so 9-1 or 10-0 is irrelevant.

I can see IU putting up a fight for a half, but UM will win 34-14 ish.
Agree.  Those games are high risk/high reward.  Without the early season win over Oklahoma in 2016 Ohio St may not have gotten in the playoff that year.  Same deal with Oklahoma last year.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on November 12, 2018, 04:15:41 PM
I think those games are all risk, very little reward.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Kris60 on November 12, 2018, 04:51:39 PM
I think those games are all risk, very little reward.
I disagree.  I would argue one of the main reasons Michigan is the highest ranked one loss team  is that they are considered to have the most forgivable loss on the board.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: MichiFan87 on November 13, 2018, 12:04:14 AM
I just don't see how Indiana matches up well at all against Michigan this year, especially with it being a home game, where Michigan has been particularly dominant.

Rutgers is their only BigTen opponent they've held under 30 points. Conversely, Maryland is the only BigTen team to break 20 against Michigan (7 of which were on a fluke kickoff return and the rest came against the backups in the 4th quarter), and Michigan has been scoring 40+ on all but the top defenses.

While there's no revenge motivation, since Michigan has won 22 in a row against the Hoosiers, they're going to want get a big lead to give the backups reps while the starters rest, especially for the QBs. Given that it's also not an entirely sure thing Michigan finishes in the top 4 even if they win out, continuing to dominate lesser competition is important.

42-13
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 13, 2018, 12:16:59 AM
I disagree.  I would argue one of the main reasons Michigan is the highest ranked one loss team  is that they are considered to have the most forgivable loss on the board.
But they'd probably be #3 if you replaced the Notre Dame loss with a win over EMU.  So yes, good losses are better than bad losses, but a better record, even with a bad SOS still trumps it.  See Washington 2016.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 13, 2018, 03:40:48 AM
Either way, they'd still have to beat OSU to get in. This only matters if you think a 12-1 M gets left out. I don't.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 13, 2018, 03:43:01 AM
FYI - this isn't homecoming. Maryland was.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Kris60 on November 13, 2018, 05:53:42 AM
But they'd probably be #3 if you replaced the Notre Dame loss with a win over EMU.  So yes, good losses are better than bad losses, but a better record, even with a bad SOS still trumps it.  See Washington 2016.
I agree but it’s:
Good win > Bad win > Good loss > Bad loss
Those kind of games are high risk/high reward.  We could each keep providing examples to prove our point. The teams that win those challenging games put themselves in great positions and the teams that lose in tougher positions.  
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 13, 2018, 01:45:17 PM
I still think it's high risk, low reward.  Yes, you are better off winning them than not playing them, but not much better off than beating some chump, which you are guaranteed to win.  If Ohio State had played EMU instead of Oklahoma last year, they are in the playoff.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on November 13, 2018, 01:51:18 PM
I still think it's high risk, low reward.  Yes, you are better off winning them than not playing them, but not much better off than beating some chump, which you are guaranteed to win.  If Ohio State had played EMU instead of Oklahoma last year, they are in the playoff.
True, but I think beating OU in 2016 got Ohio State into the playoff.  
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 13, 2018, 01:54:38 PM
True, but I think beating OU in 2016 got Ohio State into the playoff.  
Have they ever taken a 2 loss team?  I don't believe so, so I don't think it would matter.  Until the committee takes a team with more losses, because of a better overall resume, I'll refuse to believe scheduling tough has any benefit other than entertainment value.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on November 13, 2018, 02:35:40 PM
Have they ever taken a 2 loss team?  I don't believe so, so I don't think it would matter.  Until the committee takes a team with more losses, because of a better overall resume, I'll refuse to believe scheduling tough has any benefit other than entertainment value.
Yep. 
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 13, 2018, 05:13:35 PM
I'd never before seen the entire drive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWT2pzvzals&ebc=ANyPxKomWWxyOdgheOv2yqnrOtbSw6N9-nAW2JfswVtCqPaqjJmulgsVo57u-d5K7jaRtvaJnwkiZOhdPzDWaGUNiuV8gk8Z0w
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 13, 2018, 05:15:43 PM
Also wasn't aware of the apparent controversy immediately preceding the Big play, where LP Reid caught the ball and fumbled at the 45yl but Corso argued he deliberately tossed the ball OOB.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 13, 2018, 05:20:57 PM
I think it's a close call about M-ND (whether to play the game, strategically, as a scheduler). And err in its favor for tradition and fun. Maybe no one is saying otherwise, so my apologies if that sentence is stupidly obvious.

I also think it's already close between M-ND for quality of team in the committee's mind.
My interpretation of their policy is to go to 4 factors, including H2H, *only* in the event that two teams are so close that they cannot otherwise be picked between on bestness. I think that their recent rankings and scant comments indicate they are already at that stage and that if ND were to lose, to Syracuse, e.g., that ND would fall behind Michigan because they'd then see Michigan on an entire notch above ND that precedes the need for these 4 factors, including H2H.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 13, 2018, 05:56:00 PM
The committee has never yet taken a 2-loss team, nor has it taken a team whose one loss is a blowout. This is why I think it's silly to assume a SECCG-losing Bama would be taken over Michigan "because" last year's Bama was taken over OSU (who'd have broken both precedents with two losses and the blowout). That precedent cannot be relevant to 1-loss-to-ND Michigan.
If Bama loses that one and Michigan wins out, my gut is that Michigan is not guaranteed but favored to get in (for these reasons, the championship reason, and because if Bama loses, then it certainly can't be "the best ever," so the argument "How can you keep out the best ever?" eliminates itself) and both M and B will be sweating.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 13, 2018, 08:36:19 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/SolidVerbal/status/1061985698037817344
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on November 13, 2018, 08:44:57 PM
Have they ever taken a 2 loss team?  I don't believe so, so I don't think it would matter.  Until the committee takes a team with more losses, because of a better overall resume, I'll refuse to believe scheduling tough has any benefit other than entertainment value.
But if tOSU hadn't played OU in 2016 then OU would have been a 1-loss P5 Champion
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 13, 2018, 09:16:10 PM
Ah that's right. Thanks for reminding of past seasons having complexity.

It's almost as if playing crap teams is > Top 6 teams >> Top 7 to 40 teams in the noncon in terms of CFP pros/cons.
And yes I know the idea of lines in the sand like that is garbage. And that predicting a team's echelon for a given season isn't nearly this precise. I'm just saying that playing a team that is absolutely in the conversation, and sharing the zero-sum-game risk may better for a contender than playing a nearly as talented team who is not a contender and not sharing that risk.
It's just a rushed rough draft of an opinion. Feel free to tear it apart.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Kris60 on November 14, 2018, 06:38:46 AM
But if tOSU hadn't played OU in 2016 then OU would have been a 1-loss P5 Champion
Exactly.  If Ohio St and Oklahoma both played crap teams that year Oklahoma would have gotten in over Ohio St.  High risk/high reward.  

Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 14, 2018, 06:58:44 AM
Has a 1 loss conference champion ( that actually won a CCG) ever been left out?
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Kris60 on November 14, 2018, 07:13:43 AM
Has a 1 loss conference champion ( that actually won a CCG) ever been left out?
No, but if we keep this format long enough it will.  In 2016, if Ohio St and Oklahoma had played cupcakes instead of each other there would have been five conference champions with only one loss so someone would have been left out.
Last year, a two loss Auburn would have made the CFP had they beaten UGA.  So just because we haven’t witnessed something yet doesn’t mean it can’t or won’t happen.

I’m not convinced without the win over Oklahoma in 2016 if Ohio St gets the nod over Penn St.  That win gave them an extra ranked win PSU didn’t have.  It was a major resume boost.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on November 14, 2018, 10:51:31 AM
here's a little interesting nugget.

Shea Patterson is ranked 3rd in the nation by ESPN in Total QBR with an 85.3 on a scale of 1-100.

Only Tua at Bama and Kyler Murray at Oklahoma are rated higher. Tua is at 95.8 and Kyler Murray is at 95.3. Both a full 10 points higher than the #3 guy. Crazy.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 14, 2018, 11:16:29 AM
If not for Tua, we'd all be marveling at how amazing Murray has been.  He's lost in Tua's season.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on November 14, 2018, 11:24:12 AM
If not for Tua, we'd all be marveling at how amazing Murray has been.  He's lost in Tua's season.
agreed. Murray is fantastic.
After the QB play I saw last season at Michigan though, I'm more amazed at what Shea has done. And without his best receiver all year in Tarik Black.
Michigan had maybe the worst QB play in all of the P5 last year. Really just horrible. This year it's starting QB is rated 3rd in the entire nation in Total QBR. Really blows my mind.
Shea is completing 67% of his passes for 17 TD's vs. 3 INT's. And it could very easily be 19 pass TD's vs. only 1 INT had two 40 yard plus TD tosses not been called back on questionable hold calls, and had Gentry caught a ball that hit him in both hands and had Sean McKeon not just quit on his route like a bitch.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Hawkinole on November 16, 2018, 12:28:28 AM
Michigan is looking good. But, there are very few gimmes in the Big Ten.

This game is no gimme.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on November 16, 2018, 06:21:53 AM
No gimme for sure. Indiana has givem Michigan fits the last four years.  There’s not a Hoosier player who doesn’t think they can play with Michigan.  I’d call this a trap game too if it was in Bloomington.

Indiana 24
Michigan 34
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 16, 2018, 08:58:27 AM

Indiana Hoosiers (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan Wolverines (7-0, 9-1)
4:00 - Ann Arbor, MI - FS1
Ohio State taking care of business in East Lansing last week means that absent a big upset in College Park, Michigan can't clinch their first ever trip to the Big Ten Championship Game in front of their home fans this week.  That's ok.  While there was a time where losing this, but still beating Ohio State next weekend to go to Pasadena meant you accomplished your goal, that ain't the case for Michigan this year.  Yes, winning a Big Ten title and going to the Rose Bowl is a hell of a consolation prize, the Wolverines also likely control their own College Football Playoff aspirations, and a loss would derail that, even if it wouldn't derail their conference title hopes.  After a 3-0 start, which included an (in retrospect) underrated win over a Virginia team that has been ranked at points this season, Big Ten play has not gone the Hoosiers way.  Two touchdown or more losses to Michigan State, Ohio State, and Iowa, a blowout loss to a seemingly dead Minnesota team, and a narrow 7 point win over lowly Rutgers.  Indiana was sitting at 1-5 in Big Ten play with only a close loss to Penn State looking respectable.  The Hoosiers had their bye week late though, and came out of it with a win over Maryland, in perhaps their best performance since September.  Yes, Maryland has issues, but defensively they are pretty good, and Indiana scored three touchdowns in about 4 minutes in the second quarter to blow open a big lead.  Even after Maryland fought back, Indiana found a way to scrap out a win, forcing a fumble to seal the game after Maryland had crossed into Hoosier territory in the final 2 minutes, looking for the game winning field goal.  Now Indiana needs one more win to reach bowl eligibility, and it's either going to be Michigan, or in the Bucket game next week.  Since Tom Allen took over the program the identity had flipped from offense to defense, but in Big Ten games this year, the defense has wilted.  They are giving up 35.1 ppg and 452.9 ypg on 6.3 ypp, 4th worst in the conference across the board.  The problems are largely with the pass defense, where Indiana gives up 8.5 ypa, 2nd worst in the Big Ten, along with a league high 20 passing touchdowns.  The secondary has bailed them out with a number of picks, but the front isn't generating much pressure, a 5.26% sack rate, which is allowing opponents to convert 43.2% of their third downs, and 71.4% of their fourth downs.  The Hoosiers have allowed 10 4th down conversions, most in the conference.  If Shea Patterson looks like he did last week, watch out.  He showed every bit of his starz rating in the win over Rutgers.  You may say, "but Rutgers," but to watch the game, the guys around him didn't show up.  The line regressed, the running game was absent, and he had a couple balls dropped early.  But he was hitting throws that I had not seen him make all year.  If that's who Michigan has going forward, look out, this suddenly becomes a team that can win the whole damn thing.  Defensively, it's hard to criticize Michigan.  Sometimes, like last week against Rutgers, they seem to get almost too fired up, as though just shutting teams down isn't enough, they want negative yardage plays every snap, and they lose discipline.  Peyton Ramsey is efficient, if you overplay him seeking the splash plays, he'll hurt you.  But while that may present opportunities for Indiana, the Wolverines still hit on enough of those plays to still beat you.  Indiana was better early in the year when Stevie Scott was running the ball well and providing balance.  A lower recruited true freshman was unlikely to continue that against better competition.  He didn't, and Michigan's defense is hardly the week to get right.
MICHIGAN 38, INDIANA 15
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on November 16, 2018, 12:22:02 PM
Michigan is looking good. But, there are very few gimmes in the Big Ten.

This game is no gimme.
No one said it's a gimme.
Michigan seems laser focused right now and locked in.
Game is at home and it's senior day. Have to think those seniors like Chase Winovich will be ready to go and have their team ready to play in what is the final home game in front of the fans these guys will ever play in.
Michigan also seems to play MUCH better at home than they do on the road under Harbaugh for some reason. I get it. Teams play better at home vs on the road. But not quite sure I've seen a coach whose teams are so Jekyl vs Hyde when it comes to home vs road as Harbaugh coached teams have been under Harbaugh.
I'm pretty sure Michigan will be ready to go. Those seniors will want to go out with a win and that team knows what's at stake if they flubb up a week before THE GAME.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 16, 2018, 12:49:47 PM
This fits a lot of "trap game" criteria. But it's not worrisome ahead of time like recent IU games have been. Last year was the youngest team in the nation (after the record NFL exodus) and in 2016, Speight was sitting out for one game and all we had was O'Korn.

This is different - not the least because this is the first post-Wilson year where it's clear IU is absolutely a lower echelon team than they used to be. This one may end up scary, but it is moreso a trap game like 2006 Ball State was a trap game. Where that one was 100% overlooked by Michigan's anticipation for a #1 v. #2 game a week later. Ball State had no business being in a competitive game, but Michigan was focused elsewhere, so...
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: TyphonInc on November 17, 2018, 08:07:12 PM
Looking for injury updates from M*ch*g*n. Winovich late hit was bush league.

If he can't play one may argue that losing Winovich is a bigger loss than Bosa for OSU.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-6, 5-6) at #4 Michigan (8-0, 10-1) Post Game
Post by: ELA on November 17, 2018, 08:37:41 PM
https://twitter.com/nickbaumgardner/status/1063966111731982336?s=19
Title: Re: Indiana (2-6, 5-6) at #4 Michigan (8-0, 10-1) Post Game
Post by: ELA on November 17, 2018, 08:46:47 PM
It also seems like more and more guys "finish" the block, with the guy down.  That doesn't really seem uncommon to me, so maybe this will result in that being a point of emphasis next year 
Title: Re: Indiana (2-6, 5-6) at #4 Michigan (8-0, 10-1) Post Game
Post by: MichiFan87 on November 17, 2018, 09:02:39 PM
Very frustrating game to watch, and it epitomizes Michigan's struggles to get touchdowns once they get inside the 20. I don't know why the insist on running the ball once they get there, because the passing plays are much more open. Michigan should've had at least 3 and as many as 6 more TDs between all of those FGs and the shit show at the end of the first half, so they should've scored at least 40 points. Props to Moody for coming through in replacing Nordin, though. Hopefully he can kick longer FGs, too, but some of them barely went through so I'm a little skeptical.

Indiana deserves some credit for showing Michigan's defensive weaknesses, though. The pass defense has benefited from playing a number of mediocre-at-best QBs. Ramsey isn't a world-beater, but he's one of the better QBs in the league and has a good OL and RB/WRs around him. Michigan has to be ready for QB draws and passes over the middle next week, because Indiana had the most success with those plays, while Ohio State runs a similar offense. Their tempo also seemed to cause some problems, as it has before.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on November 17, 2018, 09:11:43 PM
Looking for injury updates from M*ch*g*n. Winovich late hit was bush league.

If he can't play one may argue that losing Winovich is a bigger loss than Bosa for OSU.
Ya gonna have to disagree. 
Michigan still has excellent defensive players behind Chase. Ohio State? Not so much. Uche and Paye are probably going to be better NFL drat prospects just based on their height/length and speed advantages over Chase. 
Bosa was probably the best defensive player in college football. The defense was mediocre with him. It’s been terrible without him.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-6, 5-6) at #4 Michigan (8-0, 10-1) Post Game
Post by: TresselownsUM on November 17, 2018, 10:37:28 PM
I wouldn’t be worried about QB draws next week, we haven’t run them all year, at least not seriously/effectively 
Title: Re: Indiana (2-6, 5-6) at #4 Michigan (8-0, 10-1) Post Game
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 18, 2018, 03:08:12 PM
https://twitter.com/TheDailyBail/status/1064036725629038592
Title: Re: Indiana (2-6, 5-6) at #4 Michigan (8-0, 10-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 18, 2018, 05:03:52 PM
Hard to confirm. That's one reasonable take. Another is that 72 moved his leg in a bad direction at a bad time, the very spot and second CW stepped, and got unluckily stepped on.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-6, 5-6) at #4 Michigan (8-0, 10-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 18, 2018, 05:05:54 PM
As for the play Chase was injured on? It's weird to call that one dirty, too. It's part of the game for OL to whallop any player who's on the ground. Because at the extreme, just in case, that defender could still get up to make a play. Plus, I think 72 landed legally and.
Title: Re: Indiana (2-6, 5-6) at #4 Michigan (8-0, 10-1) Post Game
Post by: ELA on November 18, 2018, 11:04:09 PM
At least she wasn't wearing stilettos