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The Power Five => Big XII => Topic started by: TexasFan on November 07, 2018, 12:29:43 PM
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This weekends game is a make or break for both teams imo. Another loss by Texas and the season is basically done and not a very good one. Texas should win out with its remaining schedule albeit the bowl game. Texas Tech on the other hand? Tech is about as bad as it gets. They give up 5+ touchdowns per game and that is their norm. And Kliff Kingsbury is fighting as usual to keep his job after five seasons. There is no reason Tech should not be winning 8-9 games per year. The Vegas line has Texas as a 1.5 - 2 point favorite which is not very comforting if your a Texas fan.
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watching the Okey vs TT game the other night, i saw something in the background.... and something i had forgotten completely about... it tickles me to this day!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2JPnJO6mhE
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Of course the play of this series will always be the Crabtree catch, at least in my experience although of course I have no idea of the history of these two prior to the Big XII forming.
People forget that Texas Tech was actually 8-0 and ranked into the top 10 coming into that game, just like Texas was. Their win was not a fluke anymore than Texas beating USC on the last play of the game in the MNC game a few years earlier was a fluke. Instead, both those plays and victories were some of the great all-time moments of college football in my book
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjI1Cub_ofo
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Of course the play of this series will always be the Crabtree catch
For me, the play of the series will always be the Blake Gideon drop.
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What no one remembers about the "Crabtree Catch" is that Texas played exactly nine minutes of competent ball.
Tech worked their magic for 45 minutes. Texas rallied to a lead during the 4th quarter after being down 29-13. They had given up a safety and a pick six. Texas had no business even being close in that game.
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What no one remembers about the "Crabtree Catch" is that Texas played exactly nine minutes of competent ball.
Tech worked their magic for 45 minutes. Texas rallied to a lead during the 4th quarter after being down 29-13. They had given up a safety and a pick six. Texas had no business even being close in that game.
I can't really agree with that. Texas was most certainly the better team that year. This was a game where bad luck and bad officiating cost Texas a ton. Orakpo went out with a hyperextended knee after being tackled from behind by a Tech o-lineman when he had a clear shot on the QB, no call, and that was maybe the 5th or 6th time that had happened all night.
While you could call holding on just about any play, that night you need only call "tackling the d-linemen to the ground on a pass play" then Texas wins it going away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM28K2wg8dY
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First downs Tech 31 UT 18
Total yards Tech 579 UT 374
Pretty lopsided.
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First downs Tech 31 UT 18
Total yards Tech 579 UT 374
Pretty lopsided.
Pretty easy to get a ton of yards when they're letting the o-linemen tackle the d-linemen on almost every play.
Feel free to think what you will, though. It doesn't seem like you watched the game and, even if you did, there's not much reason for you to remember it like I would. I certainly don't recall Bedlam that year although I most likely watched it. *shrug*
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I watched it. I don’t watch all of Texas’ games, but that one had a lot riding on it. It was very memorable with Tech controlling the first half but then Texas coming back as they often did back in that era. The ending was jaw dropping. How could I forget that game. It was far more consequential than Bedlam. A more comparable game (in terms of meaningfulness) that year was TT visiting Norman. Did you watch that one? Talk about lopsided. That defined the term.
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I watched it. I don’t watch all of Texas’ games, but that one had a lot riding on it. It was very memorable with Tech controlling the first half but then Texas coming back as they often did back in that era. The ending was jaw dropping. How could I forget that game. It was far more consequential than Bedlam. A more comparable game (in terms of meaningfulness) that year was TT visiting Norman. Did you watch that one? Talk about lopsided. That defined the term.
Didn't watch that game, normally I would have but I must have had something else going on. I saw the score of course either later that day or the next.
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I can't compare the Crabtree catch to TX/USC-NC-2005 at all, as flukes or non-flukes.
I remember both of those games vividly. Texas actually had the correct defense called for the play and would have won with a simple tackle, but the safety utterly and completely whiffed and Crabtree went on to spark a sea of black rushing the field.
USC had no answer for VY once he decided to quit sitting in the pocket for 5 seconds and take off running if the first options were covered. The Trojans picked their poison. They could cover the routes and maybe even David Thomas on the dumps occasionally, and frustrate Vince. Or they could come after him in which case he would (and did) burn them with a hot read. Down the stretch Pete Carroll had seen enough. Rush 4 and drop 7 in coverage. Vince was simply too good of an athlete to not to pick up a string of yards on successive plays. The Trojan linebackers weren't at all in a position to do anything about him, they were playing off, and Young took the ground they gave.
That was a team/qb who took what the defense gave in the the clutch, with a roughly equal amount of talent. Tech/UT was a much more of a fluke play to my mind, because UT had the final play covered, only the safety failed to execute. He was right there and just forgot his position as a bracketing safety is to stay behind your mark and converge with your help. Instead he went in front with his help, which is....I don't know what to say about that....and it was off to the races.
Maybe I am misunderstanding the comparison. I just don't see how those things are similar.
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i don't recall the game, but i sure recall that (or maybe it was a prior catch that put TT in position) Crabtree making an almost impossible grab on a perfectly placed pass... it dropped out of bounds but in a way he could reach over, still in bounds himself, and catch it with the defender behind him... i recall thinking to myself "that was as close to a perfectly indefensible play as will ever exist and it was executed to perfection"...
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First downs Tech 31 UT 18
Total yards Tech 579 UT 374
Pretty lopsided.
Champions can lose the game inside the 20's and still win. As you indicate, Texas lost the game between the 20's, but still almost won. Ifs and buts, candy and nuts, but if Blake Gideon secures that gimme pick Texas was in the title game.
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If total yardage and first downs were absolute indicators of anything, LSU would've been one of the worst teams in the country this decade instead of one of the best.
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MDT, right and no two snowflakes are exactly alike either. The design of the defense, whether it was a busted play or not, etc, etc - totally beside the point.
It was just a simple observation. Two great games, between undefeated teams, that weighed directly on the overall outcome of the season at the national level, that came down to the last play. Thrilling outcomes on the last play of the game. That's it. I'd put Auburn-Alabama 2013 in that group too (although I don't remember if they were both undefeated but whatever), with a totally different ending play, but no less thrilling and also with national championship impact. I'm sure there are many many others.
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Blake had it in his hands and dropped it.
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Beat TTU!
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Did I mention Tech was going to beat us?
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they are going to "cockroach" the Horns
again
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Yup. I feel a cockroachin' a'comin'.
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I would bet on Texas here. They have a good offense, but overall UT is a better team.
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unfortunately, the better team doesn't always win
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unfortunately, the better team doesn't always win
That's true, just like in the RRS this year. If we played them another 9 times, I think OU'd win at least 6 of 'em. I was hoping that the Horns and Sooners would make it to the CCG so OU could whomp up on those boys, but if their Stillwater debacle is any indicator it's starting to look like Texas may dick around here and ace themselves out of the chance.
(just proving that you're not the only pot stirrer around here Fearless ;))
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SCOREBOARD, BEEYOTCH!!!
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SCOREBOARD, BEEYOTCH!!!
True, and if UT keeps losing in an effort to avoid OU in the CCG, you'll get to keep that scoreboard until next Oct! - lol
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you sure are doing a lot of strutting fred
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it's Bedlam
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Meanwhile you guys take a little 3 pt loss and lose all your froth. Tsk tsk
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Scoreboard is scoreboard. Suck it!
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And it's not a 3-pt loss, it's the two losses in a row, with a 3rd likely coming up.
The loss to WVU was expected, at least by me. They're simply a better football team. But the loss to oSu was a bad one. That's a bad loss to a bad football team. Sooners are going to RUTS them today, although the Sooner defense is bad enough that the Pokes will score plenty. Still wont be nearly enough.
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TSure scoreboard stopped all your anti OU smack for most of this century. Not. Lol
On Bedlam, Yeah it’s usually a whoever has the ball last kind of deal, which is exciting to watch but doesn’t speak well about Big XII defense. Oh well.
I’m giving y’all a hard time because, well, we’re rivals, but I’d love nothing more than to see both our teams make the CCG.
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I dont agree with utee on the TTU game
I expect to win it
we aint dead yet
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Texas Tech is like a dust devil. They get generated by the air and look pretty fearsome from a distance but when you drive into that mess you realize there’s not a lot of substance there. So just keep on driving and get through to the other side and you’ll have a W.
(Not that anyone here will be down on the field but I’m just pretending like you are )
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I thought Texas had a chance to win until I saw this thread. Now I know we’re doomed.
Everytime some yahoo starts a Texas game thread in this forum before a Texas game, Texas loses. For six straight weeks, Texas fans on this board were cognizant of that fact and resisted the temptation.
Now you guys are screwing Texas every week like you just don’t care. If you keep it up, we’ll be lucky to finish 6-7.
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But come on primo you have to appreciate my dust devil metaphor. I was pretty proud of that little “brainstorm.” Has no effect on the ecfgs as I’m not a fan.
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I do. I do love the dust devil metaphor, Cousin Fred. It is so apt.
I immediately remembered an old red vacuum cleaner my i s c& a w and I once had.
It was red.
It sucked.
And it wasn’t even very good at sucking which made it even worse.
Now I think we have a silver shark instead of a red devil. Seems to work better. Or maybe my spirit is just broken now that I’m in my 50s and I’ve resigned myself to emptying canisters and cleaning filters.
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I thought Texas had a chance to win until I saw this thread. Now I know we’re doomed.
Everytime some yahoo starts a Texas game thread in this forum before a Texas game, Texas loses. For six straight weeks, Texas fans on this board were cognizant of that fact and resisted the temptation.
Now you guys are screwing Texas every week like you just don’t care. If you keep it up, we’ll be lucky to finish 6-7.
well damn maybe we should just close this place down so we can win the NC
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I second that emotion.
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I suppose i could delete this thread...
Missed all the morning games, my son had his end-of-season flag football tournament. Lost the first game, won the second, so ended up 3rd in their league. They got a 3rd place medal and he was happy. I enjoy watching him grow and learn the game. Been a good day so far.
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Shocking news: my dear wife is sitting here cheering for UT, vs Tech. I didn’t see this coming ...
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Shocking news: my dear wife is sitting here cheering for UT, vs Tech. I didn’t see this coming ...
Apparently you married a good one. You have much to learn from her!
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Apparently you married a good one. You have much to learn from her!
No doubt - I can’t argue with that
Congrats to your Horns for the win. Great ending TD!
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After two in a row not going our way, it was good to finally win another one of these crazy shootout battles.
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Texas Tech is not very good. And Texas, were not much better. If not for Sam Ehlinger we would have another couple of losses.
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After a full season and 10 games, I gave Charlie about a 1 on a 10 scale.
I give Herman a 3.
I'm not feeling it long term.
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Texas Tech is not very good. And Texas, were not much better. If not for Sam Ehlinger we would have another couple of losses.
Don't forget LJH. What a beast. Heard did a good job but we were definitely missing Collin Johnson on the other side.
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I don’t think we’re at a place where we can be choosy about wins. Our program is still taking baby steps.
Would I like Texas to have the depth, talent and coaching to curbstomp all competition? Sure.
But I take joy in the little things. Narrow wins, 7-3, the three being close.
It’s not like all of Texas’ talent is going to leave next year and it’s now or never. We’re on an upward trajectory and I’m pleased.
In fact this year is a joy because I have no expectations and Texas is exceeding them. Wins over USC, TCU, K State in Manhattan, OU, Tech in Lubbock.
Who the hell do we think we are to take such things for granted? Such things never came easy for Charlie Strong or Mack Brown.
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Assuming (and that’s a big assumption) that OU and Texas can beat Kansas, the race to the CCG hinges on 3 games now.
1. Iowa St at Texas - the Horn must win. Otherwise they’ll fall to 4th in the conference.
2. WVU at OSU - this one doesn’t really matter to the Horns b/c wvu holds the tiebreaker.
3. OU at wvu. We need WVU to beat OU because Texas owns the tiebreaker. Course if wvu loses to OSU and Ou the Horns are in any way.
I guess basically wvu either has to lose out or win out or split their remaining games with a win over Ou for a Texas that wins out to get to the CCG. Right?
Sounds plausible.
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Assuming (and that’s a big assumption) that OU and Texas can beat Kansas, the race to the CCG hinges on 3 games now.
1. Iowa St at Texas - the Horn must win. Otherwise they’ll fall to 4th in the conference.
2. WVU at OSU - this one doesn’t really matter to the Horns b/c wvu holds the tiebreaker.
3. OU at wvu. We need WVU to beat OU because Texas owns the tiebreaker. Course if wvu loses to OSU and Ou the Horns are in any way.
I guess basically wvu either has to lose out or win out or split their remaining games with a win over Ou for a Texas that wins out to get to the CCG. Right?
Sounds plausible.
It's awesome just being in the mix at the end of the season.
Step 1, we gotta beat the birds-in-a-blender. They whipped both OkState and WVU, so they can certainly whip us, too. But Texas can win, too. I predict that ISU scores a TD on their opening drive, and that Texas blows a big lead in the 4th quarter. Who wins? Tune in and see, I guess. :)
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ISU is a good team. That's gonna be a tough one for you.
WVU is too. That's gonna be a tough one for us. Right now, it looks like they're the best team in the XII.
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Actually ISU has a reasonable chance of making the CCG. They own the tiebreaker with WVU and only have two losses like Texas. If they get past the Horns and WVU loses to either OU or OSU, and both are entirely possible, then they just have to beat KSU (not a total gimme but ISU is the much better team this year) and they're in the championship game. Who'd a thunk it?
It's just too bad they lost to Iowa at the beginning of the year, as that along with their severe lack of helmet would keep them out of the playoffs, no matter what happens.
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Yup. Their chances of making the CCG are every bit as good as ours. Possibly better than ours.
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ISU is a good team. That's gonna be a tough one for you.
Matt Campbell is going to school Herman.
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Reading about the Texas/Tech game in the Houston Chronicle and ran across this little gem:
Texas allowed 500-plus yards - a season-worst 595, in fact - for the third straight week and fourth time in five games. But it played mistake-free football and exploited the fact that Tech didn’t.
Uhhhh, you don't play "mistake free football" and allow 600 yards of offense. What the hell are they teaching in journalism school these days? More fake news I see. Sheesh.
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Reading about the Texas/Tech game in the Houston Chronicle and ran across this little gem:
Uhhhh, you don't play "mistake free football" and allow 600 yards of offense. What the hell are they teaching in journalism school these days? More fake news I see. Sheesh.
aggie finally wins a game and becomes a football expert
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If you can’t laugh at that as a fan of any school I don’t know what else to say. Anytime your team escapes Lubbock with a win it’s a good thing, I’m not taking anything away from that. I just wouldn’t characterize 600 yards of offense as mistake free.
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Journalists don't really think about what they write anymore, or say, apparently.
Did you see when the reporter was talking to Ehlinger and asked about which of his family would be the most proud of him? Very insensitive question considering his father has passed, and it's basically like asking someone "how do you think other people feel about YOU?" and is a dumb question to begin with. He handled it well but it felt very uncomfortable watching that question being asked.
Anyhow, always good to get a win in Lubbock, mistake-free or not.
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C'mon. WVU@oSu is a big game for Texas, simply because it moots the outcome of the OU/WVU game.
Assuming Texas wins out (neither game guaranteed), if WVU were to fall to the PokeBoys, they would have 2 conference losses. OU would (almost assuredly) still have the 1. If WVU won the WVU/OU game, then OU would have 2 losses, fall to Texas on head to head, and make Texas #2. If OU wins, WVU has 3 conference losses, and Texas is #2 outright.
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No. You, come'on, Doppelganger. It sounds like you're reiterating every point I made to what... contradict me?
For Texas to make it to the CCG...
1. Texas must win out, and
2. wvu must
a. win out to claim #1, pushing OU into a tie for #2 where Texas owns the tie breaker, or
b. lose all remaining games, falling to #3 or
c. win just one of their final two games - provided it's the one against OU, thus creating a three way tie for #1
If, however, wvu wins just one of their final two games and it's the one against oSu, then OU would be #1, while Texas and wvu would be tied for second with wvu holding the tie breaker. Thus, OU and wvu would play in the CCG and Texas would essentially be #3.
Texas may still be left out if OU, wvu and Texas all tie for #1 but since it's last loss would be earlier, I hope not.
So wvu at oSu is a big game and that's why I listed it as such, but oSu beating wvu is not as essential to Texas getting to the CCG as wvu winning out, losing out or losing to oSu but beating OU.
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I'm pretty sure we just said the same thing. I did it in 2 statements because I only focused on the part where WVU loses to the Cowboys.
Yours is a beautifully detailed, bullet pointed, outline style description of the whole shebang.
Durned accountants!
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I just love people who agree with me. Especially you, Doppelgänger. You’re a gentleman and a scholar.
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Y'all are making it too hard.
1) Beat ISU
The End
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I thought Texas had a chance to win until I saw this thread. Now I know we’re doomed.
Everytime some yahoo starts a Texas game thread in this forum before a Texas game, Texas loses. For six straight weeks, Texas fans on this board were cognizant of that fact and resisted the temptation.
Now you guys are screwing Texas every week like you just don’t care. If you keep it up, we’ll be lucky to finish 6-7.
Oh, and for some reason I just recalled this post from a few days ago.
Huh. Well now how do you like that?
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The ECFGs have turned their attention to others - like the Chicago Bear's kicker.
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Y'all are making it too hard.
1) Beat ISU
The End
the early line is UT by 3
this clone team is pretty good so I hope we show up
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