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Title: Wisconsin (4-3, 6-4) at #20 Penn State (4-3, 7-3) Post Game
Post by: Temp430 on November 07, 2018, 06:53:41 AM
Penn State is favored by 9 at home against the Badgers.  Partly sunny with a 30% chance of rain/snow flurries with a high of 38 for ABC's Noon game.   I'm thinking Wisconsin's OL and RB Taylor get the upset the old fashioned Wisconsin way.

Wisconsin    31
Penn State  13
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-2, 6-3) at #20 Penn State (3-3, 6-3)
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 07, 2018, 08:29:22 AM
I think this one will be tightly contested. Neither defense matches up well versus the opposing offense. UW will constantly reset the line yards behind the undersized (pass rush specialized) PSU DTs. And PSU will slash the UW secondary.
Of course, both QBs are iffy health-wise, but that one does impact PSU more than UW, since UW's specialty is the ground game.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-2, 6-3) at #20 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 07, 2018, 08:37:31 AM
Wisconsin Badgers (4-2, 6-3) at #14 Penn State Nittany Lions (3-3, 6-3)
NOON - State College, PA - ABC
In the preseason this looked like it might be an early preview of the Big Ten Championship Game in Indianapolis.  Instead, the winner is simply trying to keep postseason hopes alive for a good bowl, while the loser tumbles to 4 losses.  For Wisconsin, they are on the edge of territory they haven't been in quite some time.  Bucky hasn't lost four games, period, in five years, and they haven't lost 4 of their first 6 since starting 3-4 in 2008.  Part of the problem is injuries, and part is a receiving core that never seemed to recover from the suspension of Quintez Cephus.  This looked on paper like potentially the best Wisconsin offense ever.  Instead they are mired squarely in the middle of the Big Ten in almost every offensive statistic.  There have been plenty of Wisconsin teams who have been dominant defensively, and been just good enough enough offensively, but the problem is that the defense has been entirely average too.  And you get an average football team.  Penn State still has weapons, but the offensive line has regressed to the point that they've been rendered mostly ineffective.  Nothing the Nittany Lions tried last week did anything to slow down the Michigan rush.  Much like the Michigan-Michigan State game, even when Penn State only trailed by 14 late in the 3rd, it didn't really feel like they had a shot.  Can Wisconsin get that same type of pressure?  They looked pretty good last week, but judging performances against Rutgers might be about as irrelevant an exercise as you can get.  Likewise, railing against an offensive line too much for not holding up against Michigan's front seems harsh.  But this has been weeks in the making.  Even against Ohio State, it was a lot of McSorley as a one man show, covering up their issues.  Penn State, at home, should move the ball better, and right now I'm concerned about just how many points Wisconsin is capable of putting up right now.  They ran for nearly 7 ypc against Rutgers, and still only scored 31 points, because they have absolutely zero passing game.  Hornibrook returned for the game, but it's clear he's not right yet.  Jack Coan actually looked better than Hornibrook when he came in, but how much of the playbook is he actually working with.  Wisconsin should have the best running back and offensive line in the nation, but Hornibrook needs to at least be solid, and based on Adjusted QBR, he's been below average (<50) in 4 of his past 7 games, including three in a row now (3.9 against Michigan, 43.6 against Illinois and 10.0 against Rutgers).  Fortunately for Wisconsin, McSorley is clearly not healthy either.  McSorley showed early in the year against Ohio State that he's capable of putting this team on his back when healthy, but right now he can't do that.  The help he got from the running game has disappeared.  Since his huge night at Illinois, Miles Sanders has run for only 70.6 ypg, and the one statistically solid game he had (162 yards against Michigan State) he ran for all but 38 of those yards on two long runs.  It's partly on him, and partly on a receiving group that is doing absolutely nothing to keep defenses from stacking the box.  This is the first meeting between the schools since the 2016 Big Ten Championship Game, and while this isn't that Penn State offense, this certainly isn't that Wisconsin defense either.  This one might come down to which quarterback does more to force the opposing defense out of the box, and can get their running and play action going.  While I trust McSorley over Hornibrook, I have a feeling it might coem down to Stevens vs. Coan.  I also trust Penn State more in that scenario.
PENN STATE 34, WISCONSIN 24
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-2, 6-3) at #20 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 07, 2018, 09:10:29 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrQDTgEUwAErKKR.jpg)
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-2, 6-3) at #20 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) Game Week
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on November 07, 2018, 10:58:36 AM
Hey, you managed to get the picture without your thumb!
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-2, 6-3) at #20 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) Game Week
Post by: bayareabadger on November 08, 2018, 12:54:08 PM
Sagapolu ruled out for the season. 

Man this has been a trash season. 
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-2, 6-3) at #20 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) Game Week
Post by: SFBadger96 on November 08, 2018, 01:26:51 PM
Augh. We've been overdue for this kind of season, but still, it sucks.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-2, 6-3) at #20 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 08, 2018, 03:01:38 PM
No way Penn St drops three home games in the same season. 
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-2, 6-3) at #20 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 08, 2018, 03:17:56 PM
why not?
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-2, 6-3) at #20 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 08, 2018, 03:20:27 PM
Two is already excessive. 
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-2, 6-3) at #20 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 08, 2018, 11:49:24 PM
I think this could be high scoring - for whatever that means in the Big Ten, at least.
Both teams in the 30s. Close. Neither defense matches up well with their opponent. 
I know the Nits have the better defense, but Michigan's OL pushed PSU's face in. And for however much they've improved under Warinner, UW's is *far* better.
I'm close to favoring the Badgers.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-2, 6-3) at #20 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 09, 2018, 06:08:17 AM
Sagapolu ruled out for the season.

Man this has been a trash season.
This is just getting silly now. What the heck is in the City of Madison water system these days?
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-2, 6-3) at #20 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on November 09, 2018, 07:54:42 AM
Prolly Single -malt
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-2, 6-3) at #20 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 09, 2018, 09:53:52 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrfgfueUcAAD5lA.jpg)
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-2, 6-3) at #20 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 09, 2018, 10:21:55 AM
Ugh. Really terrible. I still think UW has at least a 40-60 chance to win, but that does suck pretty bad for both the kid and the team.
The back-up: What's his size?
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-2, 6-3) at #20 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 09, 2018, 10:46:08 AM
True Freshman out of Nebraska Bryson Williams

6'2 and 300 lbs
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-2, 6-3) at #20 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 09, 2018, 11:08:49 AM
Next man UP! 
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-2, 6-3) at #20 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 09, 2018, 11:32:23 AM
could have been a different man up if Riley would have recruited the kid
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-2, 6-3) at #20 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 09, 2018, 11:38:39 AM
You snooze you lose. 
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-2, 6-3) at #20 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 09, 2018, 11:51:11 AM
Riley was a snoozer and a looooooOOOooser
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-3, 6-4) at #20 Penn State (4-3, 7-3) Post Game
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2018, 07:24:31 AM
I didn't get to see any of this game, and I'm only now just reading up a bit. Was Jack Coan the only QB who played for UW? Looking at his stat line and seeing 2 lost fumbles and 2 picks made me think someone else should have gotten snaps. 



I'm having a tough time seeing another win for this team right now. Even for the AXE.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-3, 6-4) at #20 Penn State (4-3, 7-3) Post Game
Post by: bayareabadger on November 11, 2018, 07:35:30 AM
I didn't get to see any of this game, and I'm only now just reading up a bit. Was Jack Coan the only QB who played for UW? Looking at his stat line and seeing 2 lost fumbles and 2 picks made me think someone else should have gotten snaps.



I'm having a tough time seeing another win for this team right now. Even for the AXE.
Next up would be a true freshman or a former (?) walk-on.
Perhaps the question should come up, we thought Coan might be better than Hornibrook because we’d never seen him. What gives us an indication someone the staff has less faith in would be better. 
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-3, 6-4) at #20 Penn State (4-3, 7-3) Post Game
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2018, 07:54:39 AM
Coan might have been better yesterday if given more snaps in earlier games. I think ya gotta use all the tools you have at some point. What harm would it have been to play Coan for the 2nd half of the early blowout games and, say, Illinois? What harm would it have been to give Danny Vanden Boom some snaps yesterday?



The way this looks now, I would not be at all surprised to see a true freshman starting at QB next season.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (4-3, 6-4) at #20 Penn State (4-3, 7-3) Post Game
Post by: bayareabadger on November 12, 2018, 05:20:04 PM
Coan might have been better yesterday if given more snaps in earlier games. I think ya gotta use all the tools you have at some point. What harm would it have been to play Coan for the 2nd half of the early blowout games and, say, Illinois? What harm would it have been to give Danny Vanden Boom some snaps yesterday?



The way this looks now, I would not be at all surprised to see a true freshman starting at QB next season.
To answer your questions:
What harm would it have been to play Coan for the 2nd half of the early blowout games and, say, Illinois? 
They wanted to redshirt him with the new four-games rule. Back when he was unspoiled potential, they figured if you ended the year and he had two years left, he'll have a lot of incentive to leave with AH back. So he was the backup if competitive play was needed while VandenBoom was the mop up QB. 

What harm would it have been to give Danny Vanden Boom some snaps yesterday?
I mean, you could've had a more unsure and jittery QB. Chances are he's worse. 
I wonder about a freshman starting. Folks always want that because it's shiny and new. If the freshman starts because the freshman earns it, I'm all about that. But only then.