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I can't stand it.... I've got to do this just to make myself feel better.
This game has been the most important game in my eyes and leading into the seasonevery year since the early nineties. It marks, simply, whether UT will have a shot at the title more than any other early season game. Traditionally it lands on week 3, and this is no exception. Usually, it kicks off with UF having two games, usually scrubs, undr their belt and UT coming off of a bye. I always loathed that- it's my opinion early season bye's are a liability more than an asset. It helps that UT schedules pretty good competition for week one usually, but not enough to get them over the hump. UT, when they were contenders, ran an offense that required gelling to make impact it's design intended, and they usually weren't there by week 3 (game2).
This time, though, the roles are flipped. They're flipped only in that regard, however, because neither team is a real contender.
Last season, UT beat both UGA AND UF.... and still lost the East... what the????... times are strange to be sure...
So- Florida is coming out of a chaotic scene in their homelands, after a humbling loss to Michigan, and with several players who ought to make a splash not participating in a single play. This looks like more doom for UF from the outside, as the game is taking place as scheduled.
Tennessee has shown weakness on both fronts. They gave up 550yards on the ground to the yellow jackets in week one, and another benji or so through the air to the same.... The next week, an Indiana State Sycamore squad penetrated into the backfield far more often than they should have been allowed. Atop of this, the QB likes to throw in tight coverage and hasn't been penalized for this miscue yet- he won't escape UF w/o a few picks if he tries that crap with them.
imHo, this game is going to be about defense (florida's) and special teams (UT's). I wager 14pts to UF via pick 6's, and 14 to UT via special teams or due to special teams getting superb field position. That is a 14up game.
I see Kelly getting free from the UT backfield a couple times, but i DON'T see UT running wild over UF. I just don't know what to think about UF's D yet, but I fear they will be as good as ever, and unless Calloway and Wolfe can keep things unpredictable in the passing game by getting open enough for one of those QD fearless (read: stupid) passes, i just don't see the UT O moving a lot. I could see UT's O putting 14 on UF's D.
UF will lean on UT's D line a lot. and, they'll find reward- but they aren't going to 'have their way' with them. I think UF will score offensively twice during this match. 14 on 14 defensively... 28... to UT's 28... uh-oh...
intangibles run freely on this game... a mismatch is discovered and the score is blown up hugely (making the other team- who am I fooling? making UT LOOK a LOT worse than they actually are).. a call going wonky... ball coming out just at the moment you don't need to lose possession... weird things happen in this game, and it's more than half the fun of it. The intangibles, I wager, will NOT be 'free points' as i often like to refer to them... not in this game... the 'intangible points' will be negative points in this game- meaning they will be detracted from the board.
game final score:
24~28 to 21~27... I don't know who wins it. My gut tells me "Team Chaos aka the Voodoo Vols" pull out some magic dust and throw it in gator faces for the squeak-by, but my brain tells me they left that bag in Atlanta a couple weeks ago. I don't think there will be 14 points between them- max of 10 (given no goofy breaks or discovery of a bad mismatch)...
there... I feel better...
I love the crap out of this game... I mean, this particular game.
[member=58]OrangeAfroMan[/member]: what is the status of the suspended players for this game? I think you get back the sophomore Safety, no? other than that?
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This one's got my full attention for more than one reason.
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SEC Game of the Week I presume.
Georgia is playing their own stadium apparently. :57:
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The safety, Gardner, is coming back from injury. He wouldn't have played last week. Would've been nice to have a tune-up game before playing the Vols.
There's been no update on suspended players since Sept 4, when we learned one of them was back with the team (FR WR Robinson). He was one of the weed guys, not the money scam.
Florida is making sure none of the guys in the scam play until they're totally cleared.
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i read something about UF 'looking into' possible cancellation this weekend? not good... doubt they'll consider moving it to k-ville, either.
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There's trees down and flooding all over the UF campus. I guess it's hard to forecast evaporation rates, lol. Game could be played in Atlanta, but not at the new joint it'd be at GT or Turner Field (now GA State's football stadium).
They need to just play the damn game in the Swamp.
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nothing official yet... a couple outlets suggested the game was in peril, while nobody else is mentioning any threat to it whatsoever.
apparently UF's bye is on UT's 'Third Saturday in October', so that is out... UT's OOC late conflict with UF's league play and vice versa... pushing the CCG back a week may or may not be an option, but i wager there are too many things in motion involving big$$$ to pull that off...
the game just about has to be played this weekend, somewhere... I highly doubt UF will entertain moving it to Knoxville and toss the well documented series off a rotation (meaning they don't get that 'home' back)... so...
it's just curios to watch is all. could be something, could be nothing.
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news just broke... playing this game on schedule in the swamp...
should make things interesting, considering the field may be pretty slow...
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Obviously, the loser in this one is 1.5 games back. They can't both lose unfortunately.
Is South Carolina real? I don't think so, but they are lingering. NCSU handily out gained them as did Mizzou.
I think it's going to be between UTenn, UF, and UGA (again). UGA doesn't really have much of an excuse for not winning the East, but to do that they have to beat Florida almost certainly.
I guess for UGA, a Tenn win is better IF UGA can beat Tenn in Kville.
I like our defense incidentally.
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Need another look at Florida's offense. I suspect Michigan's defense will be quite good again.
As will Florida's defense, I think.
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UF's D is nasty. They hit on all eight cylinders a few times against Michigan, and enough 'flash' to let me know that once they gel, they're going to be superb. thank lil'baby'Jesus in a tuxedo shirt we get them on their second game, with whatever issues going on that existed prior to the storm, and now after the storm just to compound their discord.
not really.
in all honesty, i hope the team is focused and sharp, with all their playmakers healthy and hungry. a good win is only when you catch your opponent at their best, and still beat them. if we can't get them at their best- then we'll take them however we can get them- and hopefully beat the snot out of 'em....
if you can't tell, i'm torn over this... not really... i hate the gators. :91:
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I can't stand it.... I've got to do this just to make myself feel better.
This game has been the most important game in my eyes and leading into the season every year since the early nineties. It marks, simply, whether UT will have a shot at the title more than any other early season game. Traditionally it lands on week 3, and this is no exception. Usually, it kicks off with UF having two games, usually scrubs, undr their belt and UT coming off of a bye. I always loathed that- it's my opinion early season bye's are a liability more than an asset. It helps that UT schedules pretty good competition for week one usually, but not enough to get them over the hump. UT, when they were contenders, ran an offense that required gelling to make impact it's design intended, and they usually weren't there by week 3 (game2).
This time, though, the roles are flipped. They're flipped only in that regard, however, because neither team is a real contender.
Last season, UT beat both UGA AND UF.... and still lost the East... what the????... times are strange to be sure...
So- Florida is coming out of a chaotic scene in their homelands, after a humbling loss to Michigan, and with several players who ought to make a splash not participating in a single play. This looks like more doom for UF from the outside, as the game is taking place as scheduled.
Tennessee has shown weakness on both fronts. They gave up 550yards on the ground to the yellow jackets in week one, and another benji or so through the air to the same.... The next week, an Indiana State Sycamore squad penetrated into the backfield far more often than they should have been allowed. Atop of this, the QB likes to throw in tight coverage and hasn't been penalized for this miscue yet- he won't escape UF w/o a few picks if he tries that crap with them.
imHo, this game is going to be about defense (florida's) and special teams (UT's). I wager 14pts to UF via pick 6's, and 14 to UT via special teams or due to special teams getting superb field position. That is a 14up game.
I see Kelly getting free from the UT backfield a couple times, but i DON'T see UT running wild over UF. I just don't know what to think about UF's D yet, but I fear they will be as good as ever, and unless Calloway and Wolfe can keep things unpredictable in the passing game by getting open enough for one of those QD fearless (read: stupid) passes, i just don't see the UT O moving a lot. I could see UT's O putting 14 on UF's D.
UF will lean on UT's D line a lot. and, they'll find reward- but they aren't going to 'have their way' with them. I think UF will score offensively twice during this match. 14 on 14 defensively... 28... to UT's 28... uh-oh...
intangibles run freely on this game... a mismatch is discovered and the score is blown up hugely (making the other team- who am I fooling? making UT LOOK a LOT worse than they actually are).. a call going wonky... ball coming out just at the moment you don't need to lose possession... weird things happen in this game, and it's more than half the fun of it. The intangibles, I wager, will NOT be 'free points' as i often like to refer to them... not in this game... the 'intangible points' will be negative points in this game- meaning they will be detracted from the board.
game final score:
24~28 to 21~27... I don't know who wins it. My gut tells me "Team Chaos aka the Voodoo Vols" pull out some magic dust and throw it in gator faces for the squeak-by, but my brain tells me they left that bag in Atlanta a couple weeks ago. I don't think there will be 14 points between them- max of 10 (given no goofy breaks or discovery of a bad mismatch)...
there... I feel better...
I love the crap out of this game... I mean, this particular game.
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Barring special teams and deep turnovers, I see a lower scoring game than that. 17-13ish.
But you say the Vols are capable of scoring on ST and you'd know better than I, so.....
I like the Gators in this one, but that could be helmet bias or recency bias talking. My rationale is the Swamp Lizards will make life too miserable for UT up front on defense to lose. But I freely admit I'm mostly guessing based off a one game sample size for each team, and it's a fool's errand.
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Fil-Amies, Calloway, or Berry returning is potential of 6 every single time. they are something else.
a few years ago, the Hurricanes came to eastern carolina to play the pirates. this was the friday after Floyd flooded the area... the game was moved to Raleigh. the pirates were huge underdogs but ended up winning that game- and it became something for the region to latch onto about 'beating the hurricanes', not exactly discussing the 'same' type of hurricane...
UF may be a lot more stable than it appears they are- and what Florida is going through may be enough for them to really come together and focus. if so, that spells trouble for UT. but.... the gator's have some sort of team issue going on nearing the point to where people are about to start accusing 'lack of institutional control'...
^ these things play major roles at the college level is my firm opinion. if it were professionals we were discussing, this game would be a LOT harder to penetrate and make any kind of assessment you wouldn't be embarrassed to share with the world.
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and i forgot Chandler... he's just as dangerous returning as the other three are!
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Inspired play isn't going to make up for Scarlett and Callaway being out. The D will keep Florida in the game, but the offense has to do SOMETHING. The OC is going to be up in the booth instead of the sideline, so we'll see how that goes.
UT's new QB got a chance to toss the ball around in a live game without major resistance, and UF's new QB would've benefited greatly from that, but hasn't had the chance.
Florida rolls vs. 1st-half Tennessee (GT game), but can't keep up with 2nd-half Tennessee. I guess we'll find out - that's why they play the game.
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My guess is a 21 - 24 game either way. My son is excited because he thinks if we win this game that we will start another string of wins over the gators. As I explained to him. I've witnessed MANY Vol teams that had better talent lose to the gators when they should've won because they played uptight or attempted to sit on a big lead. What year was it that TN went into the locker room with a 31 - 7 lead and sat idle in the second half to allow the gators win 62 - 34 or something like that. That was a very frustrating game and since those days I don't count the Vols in the mix until the clock runs out.
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My guess is a 21 - 24 game either way. My son is excited because he thinks if we win this game that we will start another string of wins over the gators. As I explained to him. I've witnessed MANY Vol teams that had better talent lose to the gators when they should've won because they played uptight or attempted to sit on a big lead. What year was it that TN went into the locker room with a 31 - 7 lead and sat idle in the second half to allow the gators win 62 - 34 or something like that. That was a very frustrating game and since those days I don't count the Vols in the mix until the clock runs out.
I think DW was the QB for UF that year... it was a night game, and yes- it was VERY frustrating. Very much so.
Albert Haynesworth is in the news about this game... he's publicly calling for CBJ to 'throttle' the gators if they can... he is right, too.. his position is to cut the defense loose instead of 'bend don't break' allowing these kids to play like they were recruited to play. all out... he's calling on the O to be let loose too- to get the ball to the playmakers. to give them a chance to do what they do best instead of conservative playcalls and attempting to play chess with them. I fully agree. win or lose, leave nothing on that field- nothing... if you lose after you've given 150% effort, you hold no grudges. if you lose wondering "what if" it will always haunt you. there are a LOT of ghosts from this series, and it's because of playing scared........... just play the damn game. play it to the bone.
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If Albert Haynesworth has ANY influence on your HC, then you're definitely in trouble.
The '95 game was 30-14 in the 2nd quarter. UT's play-calling didn't change much in the 3rd quarter, they just started turning the ball over. Florida went on a 48-0 run before the Vols scored again late. 62-37. Jay Graham had 2 fumbles, but the Vols didn't stop passing or anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59wlnSvCUR8
There's a series of Florida games on youtube - 15 min each. Amazing.
People remember the big hit Wright had on Kent in this game - causing a fumble. But on the very next play, Wuerffel fumbled and UT ran it in for a TD. The biggest overlooked play in this game was the missed 22-yd FG by Tennessee.
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Afroman, I don't think Albert Haynesworth or his words have any influence on Butch but I do think he brings up a good point. LET THE GUYS PLAY. Stop holding them back with conservative play on BOTH sides of the ball. Either play balls to the wall or sit in the stands. I get so sick of predictable and conservative play calling. I'm not made that way. If a person beats me at anything it's not because I gave them an immediate advantage because I'm scared to give it 110%.
As an example why is our Dline playing 1 to 1.5 yards off the ball? Why are the DB's playing 5 to 8 yards off the WR? That pisses me off. GET IN THEIR DAMN FACE.
I was excited when TN hired Shoop. He turned Vandy's defense into SEC players with their limited talent. He turned Penn St's defense around in one year. TN has better talent but we still look lost and suspect on D. Is it because of Butch's conservative approach with the bend but don't break approach? I'm beginning to think that may be the case.
If TN plays scared today, the gators will kick their ass and rightly so but I'm hoping they play loose and wide open; balls to the wall.
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Things many, nearly every fan wants if their team looks spotty:
1. The backup QB
2. More aggressive defenses
3. More innovative play calling on offense
4. More passes to the tight end
5. More screens
6. Fewer screens (right after one is blown up)
7. More blitzes
8. Fewer blitzes, right after one lets a delay RB get 35 yards.
9. Better offensive linemen (they grow on trees)
10. Wishing they had player X who was committed but couldn't make the academics.
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Very true Cincy. But if the issues are habitual over the years regardless of the hiring and firing of the assistant coaches, it's systemic.
I'm sure Shoops style of D play hasn't changed between Vandy, Penn St, and TN, so what gives.?
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Well when Florida has the ball, prepare to take a nap, then. UT's sleepy D vs UF's sleepy O. Yawn.
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classic game, GO GATORS!
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Butch Jones is the biggest piece of shit game day coach. So many wasted opportunities today because between him and Larry Scott there can't be more than 4 brain cells between the 2 of them. Passing from the 1 yard line to waste a TD or FG. Throwing 3 times from the 10 when Kelly was running all over the gators. I'm going to next weeks game because I've already bought the tickets but I'm done with the Vols FB after that for the remainder of the season. Butch Jones is pathetic. We are the SEC model of mediocrity under his reign and will continue to be because he's a clueless dumbass.
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Like I said in a post above, TN has always found ways to lose to the gators when TN was the better team. Obviously the gators have the better teams at times but today wasn't one of them.
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Butch Jones is the biggest piece of shit game day coach. So many wasted opportunities today because between him and Larry Scott there can't be more than 4 brain cells between the 2 of them. Passing from the 1 yard line to waste a TD or FG. Throwing 3 times from the 10 when Kelly was running all over the gators. I'm going to next weeks game because I've already bought the tickets but I'm done with the Vols FB after that for the remainder of the season. Butch Jones is pathetic. We are the SEC model of mediocrity under his reign and will continue to be because he's a clueless dumbass.
Worst gator team we've faced and we get this crap fest. We should have won by two touchdowns if we had a different coach. Hell if we had a middle of the road Div 2 coach we would have won. Butch has got to go. A school with our history and championships should not settle for this level of production. The powers that be are too cheap to pull in a good coach.
Final records for both schools. Tennessee 6-6. Florida 6-5 unless they can make up the cupcake game.
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One thing is clear, Kelly is a beast and should consider transferring before Butch's mediocrity and losing ways rub off on him.
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i saw receivers get hit right in the hands several times and drop... i saw a QB who is demonstrating the same problems as he has all season- staring down receivers, not checking off, throwing into traffic... it cost him today.
the defense either isn't as bad as i thought they were, or- the UF offense is really really bad.
i can't blame CBJ for bad decisions, but i can question the playcalls as could anyone with eyes.
here is the thing, and the thing that KILLS me (and I mentioned it earlier) :
when UT was down in the fourth, they caught up... just like they did in Atlanta... just like they did several times last season... how? why? ask yourselves?
my answer: they played with nothing to lose. when they do that, which is rare in a competitive game, they can play with anyone.... when it isn't a competitive game, they play soft. they play soft to start until the game's personality is decided... only when they are behind and are playing with reckless abandon do we see UT come to life. every. dang. time. playing soft in a competitive game almost lost us Appy... it lost us Arky... it lost us aTm... it almost lost us GT... it lost us today.
a 'great' team can play however they want because they have the ponies to pony up whenever and put points on the board... UT still plays like they are a great team. they aren't. they've got to earn that right again. they haven't.
the question is: will they ever be able to assume that posture again?
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One thing is clear, Kelly is a beast and should consider transferring before Butch's mediocrity and losing ways rub off on him.
I had this thought in the 3rd quarter, but I didn't want to post it and look like a jerk. But I genuinely had the same thought.
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Drew, Not with Butch holding the reigns. I usually defend Butch or at the very least support him to some extent. But I'm done with that. Most of our players played well enough the win (excluding QB and WR's) but Butch's X's and O's leave a lot to be desired. He must go and he would if TN wasn't so damn cheap and continually wants to shop from the blue light special cart in hopes of luckily obtaining a great up and coming coach that they can get for nothing. Most of the time you get what you pay for.
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i may be overly emotional right now... however, i just read my prediction again... i invite y'all to, as well.... we got the smelly end of the stick, but the prediction was crazy accurate and.... pisses me off.. what i feared from UT, we got.
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Butch says Kelly heart and soul of this team in post game. Someone should ask why does the heart and soul not get a touch with the ball on the goal line on either the 1st, 2nd or 3rd down? Coaching by Butch sucks.
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UT didn't actually run an official play from the 1 yard line, did they? There was the false start and they immediately moved back to the 6.
*on an unrelated note - I'm watching Clemson-Louisville, and either of them would curb-stomp Florida right now, but to me, this isn't football. Maybe I'm getting too old or whatever, but ugh. UL has 11 identically-sized athletes playing something poorly disguised as defense, and Clemson is just hiking the ball so fast that it's an attrition game, not one of skill or strategy.
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That was a lot more exciting than I expect UT/UF to be. Heartbreaker for UT I'm sure, thrilling for UF.
I am not a Vol fan but a very curious thing happened. I found myself very frustrated and irritated with quite a number of things UT did in that game. I never felt more vindicated than when Callaway got the ball down to the half yard line late, and I told my gf that he should've scored because I didn't trust UT to get the ball in the end zone from there at all. And they didn't.
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Georgia fans don't ever seem to forecast a 'W' for the Florida game, even when UGA is supposed to be much better. This is due to the Dawgs going 6-20 vs the Gators since 1990. Makes sense.
Are UT fans getting to be that way? Not just the number of losses to Florida, but the way you've lost. Are you just kind of done with predicting a 'W'? The Vols are also 6-20 vs the Gators in that time, but in the past 5 years....2 losses led by UF's backup QB and 2 last-second 63-yard TD passes by Florida for the win.
I guess what I'm asking is where your head is at when it comes to UT vs UF....?
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In my mind, UF is no different than Vandy or any other team that we play. I go into each game thinking there is a possibility we will lose. I could give two shits about UF, any recent record they may have against the Vols, or any mystic people may presume they have due to recent history. Simply put, UT sucks because they are too damn cheap to hire a real coach.
When people think of the Florida Gators they remember the Spurrier and Meyer days. When people think of Bama people think of Bear Bryant and now Nick Saban. When people think of Tennessee Vols they think of Phillip Fulmer and if you know TN history they think of General Neyland.
My point, Florida is where they are today because of recent hires since 1990 that have propelled them. Both of which were better coaches than any coach TN has had since Neyland. Florida will spend the money to get the best coach they can within reason. TN shops from the Blue Light Special cart in an attempt to get lucky all while in reality hiring mediocre coaches to remain middle of the road making us "champions of life" but never a division or conference champion. That's where the Vols are today. Middle of the road to bottom of the barrel SECE has been's.
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At least you didn't hire a coach who's only track record is a 10-25 record in a 3 year stint.