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Title: #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) at rutger (0-7, 1-9) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 05, 2018, 01:24:13 PM
With Dylan McCaffery breaking his clavicle, honestly, I think the ideal kind of gameplan is 20-0 with Shea sitting on the bench before the end of the 1st.
There aren't many ways to instantly downgrade Michigan's season. Now that Dylan is out, let's keep those odds lower than low and sit Shea as soon as possible.
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 05, 2018, 01:32:58 PM
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Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 05, 2018, 01:38:56 PM
The year of infinite hoke.
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: HailHailMSP on November 05, 2018, 03:49:19 PM
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A day that will in infamy
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: MichiFan87 on November 05, 2018, 04:57:28 PM
Michigan could destroy them 77-0 like they did two years ago if they want to and still might do that anyway, considering how they have blown out teams this year. I expect a lot of running plays to get the game over with relatively quickly and the defense to not allow a 1st down so long at least as the starters are in, similar to 2 years ago.

It'll be a good game to get the backups significant reps, particularly with Peters becoming the backup QB now.
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 05, 2018, 08:44:06 PM
Michigan could destroy them 77-0 like they did two years ago if they want to and still might do that anyway, considering how they have blown out teams this year. I expect a lot of running plays to get the game over with relatively quickly and the defense to not allow a 1st down so long at least as the starters are in, similar to 2 years ago.

It'll be a good game to get the backups significant reps, particularly with Peters becoming the backup QB now.
When do you think Peters will go in? (When do you want him to?)
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: ELA on November 05, 2018, 09:04:43 PM
I would say at whatever point UM get up 3 scores you play him the rest of the game.  Hell, start him for all it likely matters though.
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 05, 2018, 09:19:59 PM
I say you wait until the Scarlet Knights are up by three scores. 
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Hawkinole on November 06, 2018, 12:52:24 AM
With Dylan McCaffery breaking his clavicle.
The entire Michigan 1st and 2nd team could break all their clavicles, and what difference would it make this week?
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 06, 2018, 09:01:48 AM
The entire Michigan 1st and 2nd team could break all their clavicles, and what difference would it make this week?
If the objective were just to defeat the Scarlet Knights, then sure.
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Temp430 on November 06, 2018, 09:27:13 AM
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Oct. 8, 2016  Former Buckeye Chris Ash Rutgers Head Coach

Michigan 78
Rutgers    0
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Mdot21 on November 06, 2018, 10:39:46 AM
you play Shea and Higdon the first 3-4 series. Once the score is 24-0 or 28-0, you pull them and the starting OL and unload the bench.
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: FearlessF on November 06, 2018, 10:44:26 AM
(https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/4YG_x_sFk_YB9hKBq5M8UA6Bc7o=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7244309/rutgerss.0.gif)

Oct. 8, 2016  Former Buckeye Chris Ash Rutgers Head Coach

Michigan 78
Rutgers    0
looks like he'd rather be at the strip club with Herman and Zach Smith
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Reyd on November 06, 2018, 10:52:36 AM
Play the first string for the 1st quarter, second string for the second quarter. Third for the third and then any 11 fans that want to try out as walk-ons for next year in the fourth. Leave the third string defense in for the fourth to preserve the shutout.
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: FearlessF on November 06, 2018, 10:56:57 AM
that post sounds like an Alabama fan
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: MichiFan87 on November 06, 2018, 12:24:29 PM
I know it was meant in jest, but of course, with travel roster limits, you can't really bring the walkons and players that are redshirting to play (with the new 4 game rule, this becomes a possibility for home games), which of course is the only reason the primary backups played until the end of the game two years ago.
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: ELA on November 06, 2018, 01:06:43 PM
I know it was meant in jest, but of course, with travel roster limits, you can't really bring the walkons and players that are redshirting to play (with the new 4 game rule, this becomes a possibility for home games), which of course is the only reason the primary backups played until the end of the game two years ago.
I don't think it's the ONLY reason
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: MichiFan87 on November 06, 2018, 01:53:42 PM
I don't think it's the ONLY reason
I mean, who else could've played at the end of the game? Granted, they ran up the score with the backups by still playing aggressively if that's what you're getting at, since Michigan was still undefeated at the time and was playing just as well as Ohio State, so they had a real chance to win the conference and go to the playoff if not for Speight getting hurt in Iowa City.
Granted, in looking at the box score, the backups probably get less snaps than I remember: http://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore?gameId=400869636
Hopefully this time around, they'll take the starters out earlier, though.
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 06, 2018, 02:08:35 PM
Insiders are beginning to report that Shea will put his name in for the draft but is nearly 100% planning to return next year. That's huge and makes sense all around. He'd probably be ~8th taken at his position, which would make him a 2019 midrounder, and I'd say he could parlay a return into a 1st/2nd Rd selection if he stays and he doesn't dip below his current level of play.

And then there's the offense, which will return almost everyone - only losing one OL (JBB), Higdon and Perry. So: Patterson, in his final year of eligibility, throwing to Collins/Black/DPJ and Gentry, behind an ascending OL? Yes please!
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: FearlessF on November 06, 2018, 02:10:29 PM
He'd probably be ~8th taken at his position, which would make him a 2019 midrounder,
unless he has a great game vs tOSU, Northwestern in Indy, and a couple more big games in the CFP.
then he's a top 5 pick overall
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Temp430 on November 06, 2018, 02:13:53 PM
Insiders are beginning to report that Shea will put his name in for the draft but is nearly 100% planning to return next year. That's huge and makes sense all around. He'd probably be ~8th taken at his position, which would make him a 2019 midrounder, and I'd say he could parlay a return into a 1st/2nd Rd selection if he stays and he doesn't dip below his current level of play.

And then there's the offense, which will return almost everyone - only losing one OL (JBB), Higdon and Perry. So: Patterson, in his final year of eligibility, throwing to Collins/Black/DPJ and Gentry, behind an ascending OL? Yes please!
Great news.  I guess Shea is having fun and likes Ann Arbor.  Already looking forward to spanking the Nitts again in Happy Valley next October.
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Reyd on November 06, 2018, 02:49:17 PM
It was reaction to the spread line. I'm sure that's more insulting to Rutger's football than any jest I made because of the spread line.
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 06, 2018, 02:50:28 PM
My thought exactly. And what a place for fun. Good for him.
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 06, 2018, 02:52:37 PM
It was reaction to the spread line. I'm sure that's more insulting to Rutger's football than any jest I made because of the spread line.
I believe the most lopsided away game spread in Vegas history was 38.5 (can't confirm but have read it twice this week), which I guess would make 39.5 historic if it holds.
Honestly, though, I'm cool without covering if it helps us bubblewrap Shea.
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Mdot21 on November 06, 2018, 03:10:08 PM
I believe the most lopsided away game spread in Vegas history was 38.5 (can't confirm but have read it twice this week), which I guess would make 39.5 historic if it holds.
Honestly, though, I'm cool without covering if it helps us bubblewrap Shea.
I don't want them to rest Shea all game. Don't want him to get rusty, have to keep him sharp. But I would like to think they'd want to build an early lead and treat it almost like an NFL pre-season game. Give him a few series, get a lead, then let Peters play basically the entire 2nd, 3rd, and 4th QTRs. Time to get Peters some reps and get him up to speed fast. It's Rutgers man.
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 06, 2018, 04:40:43 PM
Was rewatching earlier and noticed Aubrey Solomon limp to the locker room in the first half. Any word on the severity there?

Hope it was precautionary but I always worry about these guys' knees. Plus: This defense has been even better since his return.
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Mdot21 on November 06, 2018, 04:53:46 PM
Was rewatching earlier and noticed Aubrey Solomon limp to the locker room in the first half. Any word on the severity there?

Hope it was precautionary but I always worry about these guys' knees. Plus: This defense has been even better since his return.
pretty sure he came back to the game in the 2nd half.
Regardless we won't know one way or the other because Harbaugh treats injury information like nuclear launch codes.
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: ELA on November 07, 2018, 08:32:51 AM
I mean, who else could've played at the end of the game? Granted, they ran up the score with the backups by still playing aggressively if that's what you're getting at, since Michigan was still undefeated at the time and was playing just as well as Ohio State, so they had a real chance to win the conference and go to the playoff if not for Speight getting hurt in Iowa City.
Granted, in looking at the box score, the backups probably get less snaps than I remember: http://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore?gameId=400869636
Hopefully this time around, they'll take the starters out earlier, though.
That was when Rutgers was trying to poke the bear still.  And the bear smacked them across the face.
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 07, 2018, 01:27:45 PM
That's right. Ash was being defiant about Harbaugh hosting a satellite camp in his area and, rather than benefiting from the collaboration that was offered, stood defiant and talked a big game.
It riled up his fans enough to ... put a bunch of R-shaped cut outs at midfield of Michigan Stadium.
What a time to be alive!
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Mdot21 on November 07, 2018, 02:35:27 PM
RutgersAl has spoken. https://247sports.com/college/rutgers/Board/104069/Contents/Placing-Michigan-on-Upset-Alert-124324410/

We’re 1-8, but I think we beat Michigan. There’s no question that Rutgers has struggled its first nine games, as our freshman QB struggled to acclimate to this level, we played lots of young players, and we struggled to find the right personnel on defense. Thankfully, we’ve played much better over the past two weeks, barely falling to Northwestern 18-15 during that time, and played competitively with Wisconsin.
This week, we’re ready to take things to the next level and defeat Michigan. Here’s why:
- After a big win vs PSU, this is the quintessential trap game, and Michigan will overlook Rutgers
- Michigan has so little respect for Rutgers, they run variations of the same power play over and over again, much of the time. They pull the backside guard, #50 350 pound OL Onwenu, who drills the LB in the hole. With Ash now taking the reigns on defense, The defense will be more effective against this play.
- Raheem “The Dream” Blackshear is ready to make a name for himself as one of college football’s biggest playmakers. I don’t think Michigan can stop him.
- Rutgers QB, Artur Sitkowski has an NFL future and will be the best quarterback in Saturday’s game, just like in 2014. Against Wisconsin, he threw for 261 yards and no interceptions.
- Rutgers defense played its best ball of the season these past two weeks and is poised to shut down Michigan, as Coach Chris Ash is now coaching the defense
- Michigan’s secondary is over matched against Rutgers receiving Corp, which also was the case in 2014.
- our young ones are ready to shine
I don’t doubt that Michigan will give us a good game, but it won’t be good enough.
Rutgers 27
Michigan 19
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 07, 2018, 03:22:26 PM
Quantum mechanics is probablistic; anything is possible.
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: ELA on November 08, 2018, 05:00:50 PM

#4 Michigan Wolverines (6-0, 8-1) at Rutgers Scarlet Knights (0-6, 1-8)
3:30 - Piscataway, NJ - BTN
I hate to punt on these, but honestly, what is there to say?  Michigan looks comfortably like the best team in the conference right now, while Rutgers looks as bad as any Big Ten team in memory.  And I say that with full awareness of the fact that 2 years ago Rutgers finished last in the Big Ten and lost 49-0 to a Michigan State team that was the second worst.  This team to me looks worse.  In fairness, the Scarlet Knights defense has held up respectfully well all things considered, and particularly over their past two games acquitted themselves well.  But the Rutgers offense against the Michigan defense?  Good lord.  The Scarlet Knights are averaging just 4.0 ypp in conference play, including 4.4 ypa passing.  Bill Connolly ranks them #128 in S&P+ out of 130 FBS teams offensively, ahead of only UTSA and Central Michigan.  That's why their defense looks pretty at #94.  So you got the third worst offense in the FBS against the best defense.  The word against Michigan was get to their defense early, it takes them time to settle in.  Notre Dame jumped on them 14-0, and Northwestern got out to a 17-0 lead.  Well so much for that.  The Wolverines defense hasn't allowed a first quarter point over their last four games.  Ty Johnson got them with a 98 yard kick return in the first quarter a month ago, but that's it.  In the past two games they held Michigan State scoreless through halftime, and then had Penn State shutout through 58 minutes.  There's really no weakness right now, not that Rutgers could exploit it anyway.  Michigan is staying ahead of the sticks, and letting Patterson play from his comfort zone.  He's got all of his tools to work with.  Roll him out for easy first down pickups, let him run, or just give it to Higdon.  He hasn't been anything special, but he hasn't really needed to be with an offense that isn't blowing anyone away, but is just staying on schedule and eating the scraps the defense throws them.  If Michigan were at home, at least this would be worth watching, with the new 4 game rule, to see which redshirting freshmen Michigan stuck in the game, but with their travelling roster, we don't even have that to look forward to.  With McCaffrey suffering a season ending injury, I'd suspect Harbaugh will turn to Brandon Peters a little earlier than he may usually sit Patterson for the day, but that's about it.  This feels like a pick your score, where Michigan could slog their way through comfortably, or win 77-0 again.  Either way this one will never be in doubt, and the only goal is stay healthy, and maybe get Peters solid reps.
MICHIGAN 42, RUTGERS 3
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 09, 2018, 02:26:59 PM
National "Passing down sack rates":

1. Michigan - 19.2%
2. Boise State - 14.4%

(...) 

For a margin of 4.8%. Note: that you have to travel all the way to #40 nationally until you've moved down the list another 4.8 percentage units.
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 10, 2018, 12:05:52 PM
I'm starting to think that the most significant flaw in Michigan's offense is tight end blocking**. Which makes me even more sad that Devin Asiasi had to transfer to a crappy UCLA (albeit because of family issues that of course meant that he made the right decision personally). But still. That guy, as a TrFr, blocked like a quality tackle. High star TEs like that (with run blocking expertise >>> FLEX skills) are *rare*. And Asiasi is too seldom mentioned as an unmistakable loss for Michigan.


**(a real testament to the work Warinner and McElwain have done)
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2018, 03:06:43 PM
I'm starting to think that the most significant flaw in Michigan's offense is tight end blocking**. Which makes me even more sad that Devin Asiasi had to transfer to a crappy UCLA (albeit because of family issues that of course meant that he made the right decision personally). But still. That guy, as a TrFr, blocked like a quality tackle. High star TEs like that (with run blocking expertise >>> FLEX skills) are *rare*. And Asiasi is too seldom mentioned as an unmistakable loss for Michigan.


**(a real testament to the work Warinner and McElwain have done)
Ya he was a DOMINANT blocker as a true freshman. 
He’d have kept that crappy TE Sean McKeon on the bench too. 
Sucks that he left.
Title: Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 6-0) at rutger (1-8, 0-6)
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 10, 2018, 03:44:25 PM
Mgoblog has started arguing, based on UFRs, that after ND, the offense changed, a LOT more got put on McKeon's plate than other players on O, especially as a blocker, and these were likely things he did not have the luxury or repping in camp. And I think there's something to that.