CFB51 College Football Fan Community

The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Anonymous Coward on October 28, 2018, 04:34:58 PM

Title: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 28, 2018, 04:34:58 PM
The Nits bring their S&P+ #10 team (#21 defense, #21 offense) to face the S&P+ #4 Wolverines (runaway #1 defense for now, #29 offense).

I'll be there with a big group. Sounds like Ann Arbor will be rainy like Seattle for the next half-month.
Title: Re: #13 Penn State (6-2, 3-2) at #5 Michigan (7-1, 5-0)
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 28, 2018, 04:36:43 PM
A crazy thing about a game as highly rated as this?
It probably doesn't really matter to the Big Ten unless OSU loses. That is, even if Michigan loses this, it still controls its destiny to Indianapolis.
Title: Re: #13 Penn State (6-2, 3-2) at #5 Michigan (7-1, 5-0)
Post by: Mdot21 on October 28, 2018, 05:07:59 PM
Michigan opens as an 11 point favorite.

Don Brown has said he's got this one circled and thinks about last years game every day.

Hopefully Gary is back. That would be a huge boost to an already dominant defense.
Title: Re: #13 Penn State (6-2, 3-2) at #5 Michigan (7-1, 5-0)
Post by: Mdot21 on October 28, 2018, 05:09:42 PM
NO WAY that Michigan wins this game. We're just not allowed to have nice things.
Title: Re: #13 Penn State (6-2, 3-2) at #5 Michigan (7-1, 5-0)
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 28, 2018, 05:23:14 PM
At home I think that the Wolverines can pull it off. 

Last time in AA it was a 49-10 beat down. 
Title: Re: #13 Penn State (6-2, 3-2) at #5 Michigan (7-1, 5-0)
Post by: FearlessF on October 28, 2018, 05:54:04 PM
A crazy thing about a game as highly rated as this?
It probably doesn't really matter to the Big Ten unless OSU loses. That is, even if Michigan loses this, it still controls its destiny to Indianapolis.
rooting for Scott Frost this week!
Title: Re: #13 Penn State (6-2, 3-2) at #5 Michigan (7-1, 5-0)
Post by: Mdot21 on October 28, 2018, 08:34:39 PM
rooting for Scott Frost this week!
Can’t do it. I dislike the little smug bastard. 
I’ll be rooting for an asteroid to hit the stadium. 
Loved seeing Michigan beat the snot out of his UCF team in 2016 and his Nebraska team this year. Looking forward to many more years of beating the snot out of him.
Title: Re: #13 Penn State (6-2, 3-2) at #5 Michigan (7-1, 5-0)
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 28, 2018, 08:56:20 PM
You should probably root for a meteorite instead. An asteroid would wipe out all of mankind. 
Title: Re: #13 Penn State (6-2, 3-2) at #5 Michigan (7-1, 5-0)
Post by: MichiFan87 on October 28, 2018, 09:28:04 PM
You should probably root for a meteorite instead. An asteroid would wipe out all of mankind.
As has been discussed in the weather thread, humanity is already well on its way to wiping itself out, sadly.
The big question for this game is Michigan's offense. If they're aggressive, I think they can get to 20 by half time and control the game from there, because Penn Stat's defense isn't anything special, and they struggled against Sparty, which is the best defense they've played, not to mention McSorley getting hurt last weekend (though he still ran for a 50 yard TD after he returned against Iowa, and his mobility is somewhat concerning).
Title: Re: #13 Penn State (6-2, 3-2) at #5 Michigan (7-1, 5-0)
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 28, 2018, 09:52:01 PM
I like the odds of humanity surviving a gradually changing climate over an extinction event. 
Title: Re: #13 Penn State (6-2, 3-2) at #5 Michigan (7-1, 5-0)
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 28, 2018, 09:53:18 PM
You should probably root for a meteorite instead. An asteroid would wipe out all of mankind.
I rarely love a post this much.
Title: Re: #13 Penn State (6-2, 3-2) at #5 Michigan (7-1, 5-0)
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 28, 2018, 09:55:50 PM
Can’t do it. I dislike the little smug bastard.
I’ll be rooting for an asteroid to hit the stadium.
Loved seeing Michigan beat the snot out of his UCF team in 2016 and his Nebraska team this year. Looking forward to many more years of beating the snot out of him.
For sake of conference fairness, I choose to like him. I dislike the division imbalance. Need a Helmet to rise on that side to fix it. 
Title: Re: #13 Penn State (6-2, 3-2) at #5 Michigan (7-1, 5-0)
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 28, 2018, 10:06:19 PM
I bet McSorely is fine. He seemed it to finish the game. If he's injured in a way risking future damage and did that anyway, looking unflappable, he's a hero. 
Title: Re: #13 Penn State (6-2, 3-2) at #5 Michigan (7-1, 5-0)
Post by: Temp430 on October 29, 2018, 07:32:29 AM
Michigan LT Runyan is going to have his hands very full with Nitt DE Gross-Matos.
Title: Re: #13 Penn State (6-2, 3-2) at #5 Michigan (7-1, 5-0)
Post by: Cincydawg on October 29, 2018, 09:12:37 AM
My guess is something like Michigan 20 Penn State 12.

Title: Re: #13 Penn State (6-2, 3-2) at #5 Michigan (7-1, 5-0)
Post by: FearlessF on October 29, 2018, 10:24:53 AM
Can’t do it. I dislike the little smug bastard.
I’ll be rooting for an asteroid to hit the stadium.
Loved seeing Michigan beat the snot out of his UCF team in 2016 and his Nebraska team this year. Looking forward to many more years of beating the snot out of him.
this is just fine
As you probably know I don't root for Michigan very often or Coach Harbaugh
I'd rather have some animosity between the 2 programs
Title: Re: #13 Penn State (6-2, 3-2) at #5 Michigan (7-1, 5-0)
Post by: Temp430 on October 29, 2018, 10:33:46 AM
I watched the Iowa v Penn State game and was impressed with Penn State's DL and DBs but I didn't think the LBs were all that good.  Penn State's OL was very good as well and they have a solid field goal kicker.  Michigan is going to have it's hands full trying to keep McSorely bottled up and the ball out of his TE and WRs hands. 
Title: Re: #13 Penn State (6-2, 3-2) at #5 Michigan (7-1, 5-0)
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 29, 2018, 10:50:52 AM
I also liked the back-up QB.
Title: Re: #13 Penn State (6-2, 3-2) at #5 Michigan (7-1, 5-0)
Post by: Mdot21 on October 29, 2018, 12:07:06 PM
I watched the Iowa v Penn State game and was impressed with Penn State's DL and DBs but I didn't think the LBs were all that good.  Penn State's OL was very good as well and they have a solid field goal kicker.  Michigan is going to have it's hands full trying to keep McSorely bottled up and the ball out of his TE and WRs hands.
I think Don Brown will have something special for them. A few wrinkles vs them that he hasn't put on film against anybody else all year.
Hopefully Rashan Gary is back. That will be a huge boost to that defense and that DL rotation.
Just ran a simulator on an NCAA simulator website and it had Michigan winning 31-3. It ran over 4,000 simulations and had Michigan winning 76% of them. Hopefully those things are right. Lol.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 29, 2018, 01:46:07 PM
Can’t do it. I dislike the little smug bastard.
When was Frost smug,coulda been but I missed that
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 29, 2018, 03:00:14 PM
A crazy thing about a game as highly rated as this?
It probably doesn't really matter to the Big Ten unless OSU loses. That is, even if Michigan loses this, it still controls its destiny to Indianapolis.
It is an interesting quirk of the way the division race is playing out.  According to our Power Rankings this is #1 vs #2/3 (tOSU and PSU are basically tied for 2nd/3rd) which should be a HUGE game but you are right, it isn't unless other things happen.  
Right now only Ohio State and Michigan control their own destiny in the B1G-E and even if PSU wins this one the Buckeyes and Wolverines will continue to control their own destiny (provided that tOSU beats Nebraska).  
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Geolion91 on October 29, 2018, 03:08:57 PM
You should probably root for a meteorite instead. An asteroid would wipe out all of mankind.
Asteroids and meteorites are not defined by size.  An asteroid can be as small as a particle of dust.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 29, 2018, 06:17:14 PM
Asteroids and meteorites are not defined by size.  An asteroid can be as small as a particle of dust.
I love this board. Also: didn't know that.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 29, 2018, 06:49:56 PM
Asteroids and meteorites are not defined by size.  An asteroid can be as small as a particle of dust.
According to NatGeo meteorites are smaller than comets and Asteroids
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 29, 2018, 06:56:45 PM
According to NatGeo 
really?  you're pulling internet knowledge?
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on October 30, 2018, 06:41:58 AM
Chris Weber to be honorary team captain for the Penn State game.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2018/10/29/jim-harbaugh-chris-webber-honorary-captain-michigan-penn-state/1811190002/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2018/10/29/jim-harbaugh-chris-webber-honorary-captain-michigan-penn-state/1811190002/)
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 30, 2018, 08:37:14 AM
really?  you're pulling internet knowledge?
That's the National Geographic cable channel.That on Saturday Nite  just happened to run a segment on objects striking the earth.You were still pulling Bud Fats out of your Golf Bag
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 30, 2018, 08:53:32 AM
Geolion is a professional geologist Lion. No one is infallible. But he's had a lot of training. I bet he's right and that some nuance goes into defining these things that we non-experts overlook.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: TyphonInc on October 30, 2018, 09:03:53 AM
You should probably root for a meteorite instead. An asteroid would wipe out all of mankind.
heh
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2018, 09:09:22 AM
You were still pulling Bud Fats out of your Golf Bag
dern straight!
drink em while ya got em
never know when some huge space rock is gonna land a bit too close for comfort
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: TyphonInc on October 30, 2018, 02:27:03 PM
"Space debris smaller than an asteroid are called meteoroids."

https://phys.org/news/2015-06-difference-asteroids-meteorites.html
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 30, 2018, 02:29:22 PM
"Space debris smaller than an asteroid are called meteoroids."

https://phys.org/news/2015-06-difference-asteroids-meteorites.html
Yep. 
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 30, 2018, 02:35:28 PM
Space rocks smaller than about 25 meters (about 82 feet) will most likely burn up as they enter the Earth's atmosphere and cause little or no damage.


If a rocky meteoroid larger than 25 meters but smaller than one kilometer ( a little more than 1/2 mile) were to hit Earth, it would likely cause local damage to the impact area.

We believe anything larger than one to two kilometers (one kilometer is a little more than one-half mile) could have worldwide effects. At 5.4 kilometers in diameter, the largest known potentially hazardous asteroid is Toutatis.



https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/asteroids/overview/fastfacts.html
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 30, 2018, 02:52:46 PM
dern straight!
drink em while ya got em
never know when some huge space rock is gonna land a bit too close for comfort
or some space cadet will drink'em on the course
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2018, 03:50:06 PM
like Brutus?
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 30, 2018, 03:55:07 PM
I may be a space cadet, but I'm not much of a drinker. 
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2018, 04:02:35 PM
it's just cans of macroswill
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 30, 2018, 04:05:54 PM
I don't even know what that means. 
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2018, 04:17:01 PM
it's the opposite of micro brew

you know, Bud, Bud light, miller lite, busch, coors, 

the stuff they sell in suitcases at the gas station
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 30, 2018, 04:40:26 PM
Aw. The mass produced domestics. Got it. 

Of those I like Coors the most and Miller the least. 
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2018, 04:45:02 PM
you're a good man

I can't stomach Miller Lite
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 30, 2018, 04:48:34 PM
Coors is probably my favorite, and I like Miller Lite, but not so much MGD.  Can't do Bud Heavy or Lite.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2018, 04:49:52 PM
I may be a space cadet, but I'm not much of a drinker.
Dude,
You post all this stuff and yer sober???
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 30, 2018, 05:05:18 PM
Well ya know some folks have reactions,they haven't marinated their medulas or ladled their livers in the nectar long enough.In other words prolly not afflicted with the "thirst" to the degree we are

  And  suppose we're should be discussing the upcoming contest between the Ninnies & the Weasels - I'm outta here.Go talk about curb stomping some Bugeaters
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2018, 05:10:30 PM
I'm just pullin his chain, but don't tell him that
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 30, 2018, 05:12:53 PM
Dude,
You post all this stuff and yer sober???
I'm not on trial here.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 30, 2018, 05:19:51 PM
I may be a space cadet, but I'm not much of a drinker.
I was referring to Fearless but he'd be flattered if ya joined him
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2018, 05:35:37 PM
I'm not much of a drinker either, just play one on message boards
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on October 31, 2018, 06:54:02 AM
Penn State lived in Michigan DC Don Brown's head for last year.  Team remembers 42-13 blow out in Happy Valley including an attempt to score by the Nitts on their final possession with 2 seconds left just to rub it in.  

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2018/10/30/michigan-still-simmers-year-after-penn-state-loss/1827582002/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2018/10/30/michigan-still-simmers-year-after-penn-state-loss/1827582002/)
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 31, 2018, 10:16:40 AM
some raw stats on these teams. strictly just the in-conference numbers for the two teams- again just the B1G games- 5 B1G opponents each.

Points per game
Michigan: 35.4 PPG
Penn State: 33.8 PPG

Points allowed per game
Michigan: 13.6
Penn State: 24.8

Michigan's points allowed per game drops to 8.8 ppg if you remove garbage time points scored by NEB, Wisconsin, and Maryland. Penn State hasn't had garbage time points scored on them like this as far as I can tell. That 8.8 number drops even lower if you remove the kick return for a TD that Maryland got. Remove that and it's 7.4 ppg that the actual starting defense is allowing in B1G play in non-garbage time. And if you removed the trick play off the fumble against MSU- that number drops lower still to 6 ppg. I know, I know. Still counts. But absent that fumble in inclement weather by Evans at Michigan's own 5 yard line and the trick play that followed- MSU wasn't scoring any points all day long.

Point differential per game
Michigan: +21.8
Penn State: +9.0
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 31, 2018, 11:03:06 AM
Harbaugh said on the radio this morning that WR Tarik Black is back! We'll see how much he can contribute in the next few weeks. Hopefully they can get him up to speed in time for the Ohio State game.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on October 31, 2018, 11:04:45 AM
Sanders and Higdon are 15th and 16th, respectively, in Div. 1A rushing.  Sanders is averaging 6.1 yards per carry with 834 total yards.  Higdon is averaging 5.4 yards per carry with 831 yards.  Penn State's next leading rusher is McSorely with 617 yards.  Patterson has only rushed for 145 yards.  So, if you can contain McSorely, and make him pass it's a big chunk of their offense gone.

Penn State

Rushing defense: 68th
Passing defense: 62nd
Total defense: 64th
Defensive efficiency: 26th

Rushing offense: 26th
Passing offense: 65th
Total offense: 35th
3rd down conversion:107th
Offensive efficiency: 32nd

Michigan

Rushing defense: 12th
Passing defense: 1st
Total defense: 1st
Defensive efficiency: 3rd

Rushing offense: 35th
Passing offense: 90th
Total offense: 58th
3rd down conversion:19th
Offensive efficiency: 14th
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 31, 2018, 11:10:29 AM
your stats look a little off.

Michigan is 9th in rush defense and 33rd in rush offense.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on October 31, 2018, 11:12:45 AM
Got my numbers from ESPN.  What is your source?

Fixed the rushing and passing offense.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 31, 2018, 11:26:46 AM
Got my numbers from ESPN.  What is your source?
ESPN? Well, that was your first mistake lol.
Got them from the NCAA's official site. https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/24
Use that. I like looking at the advanced stats (S&P+) and the raw stats. Think looking at both gives a more complete picture. Obviously.
s&P+ stats
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaaoff
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaadef
Michigan's defense by the way has held 7 of it's 8 opponents to their lowest yardage totals of their seasons. In strictly B1G play, Michigan's defense is #1 in scoring defense, #1 in total defense, #1 in rushing defense, #1 in passing defense, #1 in passing efficiency allowed, #1 in sacks, #1 in 1st downs allowed, and #1 in fewest 3rd down conversions allowed in the B1G.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 31, 2018, 01:35:26 PM
I'm not much of a drinker either, just play one on message boards
One needs a bucket when you post
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 31, 2018, 02:03:50 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlmKkaoIIAA9sW2.png)
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Roaddawg on October 31, 2018, 02:38:07 PM
After watching M take care of both Wisconsin, who has really stubbed a toe, and MSU, I do not see PSU giving them much of a fight.  PSU has been beat up the past three weeks and M is rolling along.  They are solid on defense and good enough on offense to put PSU away.  IF McSurely Temple goes down early, its off to the races for M.  Franklin will need to find something to whine about, like how hard it is to play in the East, or something, as the reason his team is just good, not elite this week.  Poor guy, he can always go to the ACC or Pac12 where its a lot easier. 
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 31, 2018, 04:30:09 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlmKkaoIIAA9sW2.png)
I knew it 
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Reyd on October 31, 2018, 07:00:54 PM
http://www.cfbstats.com/2018/national/index.html
This is the one I use for stats.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Geolion91 on November 01, 2018, 08:04:26 AM
"Space debris smaller than an asteroid are called meteoroids."

https://phys.org/news/2015-06-difference-asteroids-meteorites.html
Asteroids are small rocky bodies in orbit around the sun.  For example, the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.  Collisions of asteroids can send them out of orbit where they become meteoroids.
meteoroids are small bodies that would become meteors if they were enter the Earth's atmosphere.
Meteorites are meteors that impact on the Earth.
Some references do say that meteoroids are smaller than asteroids, but the real differentiation is whether they are in a stable orbit, or not.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on November 01, 2018, 08:07:41 AM
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmaizeandgoblue.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F10%2FSuperMarioVsPSU.jpg&hash=da77442aaa934f33d7692b3a52aa99f4)

Oct. 15, 2005 Henne to Manningham for final seconds win.
 (https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=hEb3OQyN&id=5DE0BEFB42C22EEBC59A6FDAD78F2B5CB27E1D7E&thid=OIP.hEb3OQyNUKfJJeNKPOF0dQHaF2&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fmaizeandgoblue.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2009%2f10%2fBranchKnockOutPSU.jpg&exph=395&expw=500&q=apenn+state+michigan+alan+branch&simid=607998403472854102&selectedIndex=0)
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 01, 2018, 08:34:38 AM

The Martian Moons are both believed to be trapped asteroids. 

(https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/internal_resources/154/)

So it's conceivable that the same thing could happen to one that was headed our way. 
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 01, 2018, 11:17:09 AM
Asteroids are small rocky bodies in orbit around the sun.  For example, the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.  Collisions of asteroids can send them out of orbit where they become meteoroids.
meteoroids are small bodies that would become meteors if they were enter the Earth's atmosphere.
Meteorites are meteors that impact on the Earth.
Some references do say that meteoroids are smaller than asteroids, but the real differentiation is whether they are in a stable orbit, or not.

Thanks, Geo. Worth the wait.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Geolion91 on November 01, 2018, 11:38:49 AM
Been really busy lately, that's why I missed out on the game threads.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: PSUTroll on November 01, 2018, 03:05:46 PM
After watching M take care of both Wisconsin, who has really stubbed a toe, and MSU, I do not see PSU giving them much of a fight.  PSU has been beat up the past three weeks and M is rolling along.  They are solid on defense and good enough on offense to put PSU away.  IF McSurely Temple goes down early, its off to the races for M.  Franklin will need to find something to whine about, like how hard it is to play in the East, or something, as the reason his team is just good, not elite this week.  Poor guy, he can always go to the ACC or Pac12 where its a lot easier.
Maybe we should wait for Harbaugh to finish better than third in the Big Ten East, let alone win the conference, before we start talking too much trash.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 01, 2018, 03:07:31 PM
Ha! 

Welcome aboard... 
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: PSUTroll on November 01, 2018, 03:15:31 PM
Thanks Brutus. I’ve been a lurker, very occasional poster, for many years.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 01, 2018, 03:35:50 PM
Maybe we should wait for Harbaugh to finish better than third in the Big Ten East, let alone win the conference, before we start talking too much trash.

(1) Don't forget to come back and make the same comment at the end of the season.
(2) Also: How's that James Franklin trajectory looking without Joe Moorehead?
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on November 01, 2018, 03:52:45 PM

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmaizeandgoblue.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F10%2FBranchKnockOutPSU.jpg&hash=aea9de826f52e4295547a7111f992245) (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjbraqA_LPeAhUHVd8KHd3pC-oQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmaizeandgoblue.com%2Ftag%2Falan-branch%2F&psig=AOvVaw0SxqEt57wgfbvSMQQmZ63H&ust=1541188294487221)

October 17, 2006, Michigan DT Alan Branch steps over Penn State QB Anthony Morelli's carcass.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: PSUTroll on November 01, 2018, 04:01:47 PM
(1) Don't forget to come back and make the same comment at the end of the season.
(2) Also: How's that James Franklin trajectory looking without Joe Moorehead?
1) Oh, I know. I’ve been reading your posts about how great Michigan is going to finish for 10 or 15 years now. One of these years you have to be right… right? I mean it has got to be mathematically impossible to be wrong that much, right?

2) We lost nine starters on defense and the two guys everybody was afraid of on offense after last year. This year was always going to be a down year. In the past five years recruiting has been trending dramatically upwards. I think it’s a little too soon to be assuming Franklin’s career is over.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: HailHailMSP on November 01, 2018, 04:24:45 PM
Damn it. Who invited Scott Paterno to join the site. 
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: PSUTroll on November 01, 2018, 04:48:42 PM
Damn it. Who invited Scott Paterno to join the site.
That’s ridiculous, Scott Paterno would not be defending James Franklin on a message board, though I may also be short, fat, and dim witted.

(JK, I’m not that short or fat.)
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 01, 2018, 04:59:59 PM
I'm not judging Franklin on this year. I'm judging him on his performance in every PSU year except the Moorehead years (and an extra dose of negativity for his in-game confusion/poor decision making).

Unless he can either (a) always hire CFB's next Moorehead on his next try or (b) hire a coach *that* hot who never wants to leave, he can not retire from PSU. He'll be fired. Because he isn't good enough for this level. And this latest OC is no Moorehead. Good for James for hiring Moorehead to fool his boss this long and get paid. And since he's so likable, I really mean it. James is a version of Brady Hoke who actually hired the right OC when his job depended on it.

Less bold of a prediction than you think: Franklin is fired for poor performance between 2020 and 2022 -- for a tenure as long as Hoke's would have been if he'd made that one good hire one time and traded it for a conference championship.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 01, 2018, 05:02:20 PM
it's game week!!!
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: HailHailMSP on November 01, 2018, 05:37:39 PM
Franklin is more organized and dynamic than Hoke. He is a very good coach when he surrounds himself with very good coaches. I think he stands alone and excelled in recruiting, player development, and motivating. But he needs to be propped up in game planning and in game decision making.

I see Moorhead and Don Brown similarly important to their programs. There aren’t a lot of secrets to their recipe but more often than not they develop players and a game plan that succeeds; leaving their head coach with piece of mind to not have to mettle on that side of the ball.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 01, 2018, 05:49:51 PM
If your strength as a head coach is recruiting and motivation as opposed to Xs and Os, you can still be quite successful. But you do indeed have to have a sound staff in place. 
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on November 01, 2018, 10:23:56 PM
Maybe we should wait for Harbaugh to finish better than third in the Big Ten East, let alone win the conference, before we start talking too much trash.
Franklin is 1-2 against Harbaugh, you do realize that, right? The two losses to Harbaugh weren't exactly close games either.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on November 01, 2018, 10:24:51 PM
Damn it. Who invited Scott Paterno to join the site.
lol. my first thoughts as well. god that guy is a piece of shit. chip off the old block though. like father like son.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 01, 2018, 10:47:31 PM
Franklin is 1-2 against Harbaugh, you do realize that, right? The two losses to Harbaugh weren't exactly close games either.
I believe 1-4 against Dantonio and 1-4 against Meyer.  Those numbers haven't gotten brought up a ton.  I think he's recruiting well enough to win, with the right guys around him.  Not sure he has that right now.  He's proven unafraid to make a staff move if needed though, so I'm also not closing the book.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: MarqHusker on November 01, 2018, 11:24:31 PM
We've got a live one here.  Best game week thread all year.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 01, 2018, 11:37:50 PM
Little bit of everything. 

Geo straightening us out on asteroids. New poster, coming out swingin'. Tallest midget contest between Hairball and Franklin. 

Good stuff. 
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on November 02, 2018, 07:41:00 AM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AkiQ_aB9RMQ/hqdefault.jpg)

November 8, 1997  #4 Michigan at #2 Penn State  "Judgement Day."

Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on November 02, 2018, 07:49:37 AM
(https://i1.wp.com/mvictors.com/images/2014/93PSU4_thumb.png?resize=630%2C359)

October 16, 1993, 1st meeting, goal line stand seals Michigan win.  Note current Michigan WR DPJ's most distant relative Shonte Peoples.

#18 Michigan     21
#7  Penn State  13
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Geolion91 on November 02, 2018, 07:56:39 AM
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.pennlive.com%2Fhome%2Fpenn-media%2Fwidth600%2Fimg%2Fpennstatefootball_impact%2Fphoto%2Fpenn-state-vs-michigan-oct-21-2017-6e87895ca13a3362.jpg&hash=01a7301db2e103f7d7d27e7b620d092b)
2017
Penn State 42
Michigan 13
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Geolion91 on November 02, 2018, 07:59:02 AM
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/kAHhve7J16YppCkfw7gGx4FgJSA=/301x60:2321x1530/1200x800/filters:focal(1198x500:1650x952)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/57205731/usa_today_10360151.1508351842.jpg)
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 02, 2018, 08:01:56 AM


October 16, 1993, 1st meeting, goal line stand seals Michigan win.  Note current Michigan WR DPJ's dad Shonte Peoples.


I'm fairly certain that's not true.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Cincydawg on November 02, 2018, 08:07:42 AM
247 Team rankings for recruiting - PSU (composite):

2018     6th
2017    15th
2016    20th
2015    14th

I guess 6th is "dramatically" up from the midteens, maybe.  But it's one year.

2019 thus far 13th, which perhaps suggests the 2018 year might be an anomaly, and midteens is more likely.  
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on November 02, 2018, 08:17:09 AM
(https://cbsdetroit.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/gettyimages-610181706.jpg?w=798)

September 24, 2016

Penn State   10
Michigan      49
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on November 02, 2018, 08:26:52 AM
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mikedesimone.com%2Fmpix99%2Fpsdn2.jpg&hash=cac57a30ee97157d1b11832bba2e9f3e)

November 13, 1999 - Tom Brady leads Michigan to a come from behind win in Happy Valley.

#16 Michigan    31
#6 Penn State  27
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 02, 2018, 09:25:19 AM
I like this thread
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on November 02, 2018, 02:35:35 PM
Where the hell's Taco or Slugs have they thrown in the towel - hey there's a chance
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on November 02, 2018, 03:03:17 PM
Vegas has jumped the line to Michigan -12.5.  Very unusual.  McSorely out?
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 02, 2018, 03:18:35 PM
McSorely is worth more than 2.5 points
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 02, 2018, 05:36:46 PM

***BIG TEN GAME OF THE WEEK***
#14 Penn State Nittany Lions (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan Wolverines (5-0, 7-1)
3:45 - Ann Arbor, MI - ESPN
#revengetour has been the motto for Michigan all year, and there are two more stops left on it.  While Ohio State and Michigan State are the two hurdles that were most frequently brought up, it was the loss in Happy Valley last year, and the manner in which it happened that may have stung the most.  Michigan had poor quarterback play, and inconsistent line play, poor playcalling, and a myriad of offensive issues that cost them against Michigan State, Wisconsin and South Carolina.  But Penn State was the one team that whipped them up and down the field, and most surprisingly toyed with their vaunted defense.  Joe Moorehead is gone.  Saquon Barkley is gone.  Trace McSorley may or may not be hurt.  The receivers are underperforming.  The line has regressed.  Maybe even moreso than the Wisconsin game, that turned into a blowout, and the Michigan State game, which was never in doubt, this one has all the making of a splattering.  And yet...  McSorley is is an easy guy to dislike as an opposing fan, but he has moxie, and he has pride.  He'll also have to give a performance like he did against Ohio State for Penn State to have a prayer.  He has been a shell of that guy since, although Michigan State and Iowa's defenses would be getting a lot more talk in a year where Michigan's wasn't playing like this.  The question will be how Michigan matches up with Penn State's receivers.  Juwan Johnson, who has been a colossal disappointment this year, and DeAndre Thompkins line up on the outside.  Will Brown play them straight with Lavert Hill and David Long, and trust Josh Metellus to play with K.J. Hamler, the Michigan product who has been Penn State's best receiver?  It would also help things if Ricky Slade worked his way back to healthy to compliment Miles Sanders, who has had to carry more of the load than expected.  That goes both ways, as Karan Higdon has become even more of a workhorse than expcted.  Higdon (23.8) and Sanders (17.4) are 1st and 3rd in carries per game in conference play.  Much like Ricky Slade, where is Chris Evans?  He was injured, returned against Wisconsin, but only tallied 8 total carries over those two games back.  Granted one was a critical fumble that allowed Michigan State back into the game.  Penn State's defense has been sneaky good, and they should be able to play Michigan pretty straight up.  The Wolverines defense dominated against Michigan State, but the offense really struggled, and kept Michigan State in the game into the 4th quarter.  The Nittany Lions defense is allowing only 4.9 ypp, 2nd in the conference only to Michigan, keyed by a pass defense that is allowing only 5.6 ypa, 2nd again to...yup, Michigan.  They've also held opponents to just 52.2% completions, but have been susceptible to the big play.  Shea Patterson runs enough to keep you honest, and the more comfortable he gets in the offense, the more he seems willing to do so.  He was shut down last week in that area, but he showed off his wheels in Wisconsin's last home game.  It's something to watch, but he'd rather go over the top to Peoples-Jones, which is Penn State's weakness.  They can't let their safeties get caught up on some of those RPOs and get beat over the top.  They match up well against the Wolverines offense, so they can't afford to throw it away in chunk plays.  Michigan seems due for a B game after a pair of emotional wins, but they also had a bye week to rest up and get ready, while Penn State slugged it out with an Iowa team that left McSorley beat up.  This has all the makings of a blowout, but I think Michigan is due for a bit of a fight, assuming McSorley is 100%.  If not, it'll look a lot like 2016.  It may anyway.
MICHIGAN 31, PENN STATE 23
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 04, 2018, 06:13:28 PM
Heading home now. Super enjoyable weekend.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 05, 2018, 01:26:47 AM
In its last 3 games -- versus Wisconsin, MSU, and PSU -- Michigan's defense prevented 30 of 34 third down conversion attempts. 2 of the opponent's successes were in garbage time. The other 2 were on 3rd down with less than a yard to go.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 05, 2018, 10:24:26 AM
Nick Baumgardner has a new film review article each week (https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2018/11/05/michigan-film-study-don-brown/1887323002/) (started this or last year; I'm unsure). And it's pretty good. This week, he discusses how Gary's injury forced Don Brown to get creative with Uche/Paye and how immensely that is paying off and still has room to further expans with Gary returning.

https://twitter.com/nickbaumgardner/status/1059222091378114566?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1059222091378114566&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.freep.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fcollege%2Funiversity-michigan%2Fwolverines%2F2018%2F11%2F05%2Fmichigan-film-study-don-brown%2F1887323002%2F

He also discusses the Gentry RPO touchdown and the impact of getting back Black.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 05, 2018, 10:26:03 AM
Uche is assembling a Bosa-level sack rate. 

Michigan has been putting together very high end DLs for a long time now, but a guy with sack rates like this has never been a part of those rosters. Dude is SO fast.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
Post by: PSUTroll on November 05, 2018, 11:47:15 AM
I was anticipating Michigan would win. I did not expect a blowout. Dominating performance by Michigan. Congrats.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
Post by: PSUTroll on November 05, 2018, 11:49:23 AM
247 Team rankings for recruiting - PSU (composite):

2018     6th
2017    15th
2016    20th
2015    14th

I guess 6th is "dramatically" up from the midteens, maybe.  But it's one year.

2019 thus far 13th, which perhaps suggests the 2018 year might be an anomaly, and midteens is more likely.  
2018     6th
2017     15th
2016     20th
2015     14th
2014     24th
2013     33rd
2012     47th
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
Post by: PSUTroll on November 05, 2018, 11:58:19 AM
These are all classes that participated on Franklin’s big ten championship team or later. If you don’t see a dramatic trend there I don’t know what to tell you.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
Post by: Temp430 on November 05, 2018, 12:02:54 PM
So the Penn State faithful are all OK with Franklin going forward?
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
Post by: PSUTroll on November 05, 2018, 12:11:01 PM
I don’t speak for all Penn State faithful. I am more than ok with Franklin going forward. Seems to me he has done a lot more with a lot less than Harbaugh. That gap is very quickly disappearing. We’ll see what the future holds.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
Post by: PSUTroll on November 05, 2018, 12:13:14 PM
At their current institutions that is. I have a lot of trouble reconciling the Harbaugh of Stanford and San Fran with the one from Michigan.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
Post by: HailHailMSP on November 05, 2018, 04:21:28 PM
Michigan is in good shape with Tarik Black and Rashan Gary back. The offensive line trajectory has been extraordinary this season. Shea looks good. His pocket presence and deep ball could use some work though. The defensive depth is incredible. Beyond the two corners and Bush, most guys are sharing snaps. Penn State only ran 40 or so plays from scrimmage. Its easy to have a high motor playing 20 - 25 snaps a game. Seeing guys like Uche and Paye advance tells a positive story for the next few years too.

Next year will be the telltale year for Franklin. No Barkley, no McSorley. How does he move the program ahead with the next wave of talent? The Moorhead departure has had clear effects, as witnessed in the Michigan and Michigan State games. Tommy Stevens looks like an absolute bull, but if he cant sling it, the one dimensional offense will be in deep trouble against the upper half of the B1G.  
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
Post by: MaximumSam on November 05, 2018, 04:32:29 PM
Penn State and Franklin are fine.  Not sure why they would be wanting his head.  They lost a lot of talent and a great playcaller and *shocking twist* aren't as good as last year.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
Post by: HailHailMSP on November 05, 2018, 05:22:32 PM
Penn State and Franklin are fine.  Not sure why they would be wanting his head.  They lost a lot of talent and a great playcaller and *shocking twist* aren't as good as last year.
I think the 3 - 12 record against coaches named Meyer, Dantonio and Harbaugh is the biggest concern. It is hard to win the division if you cant climb that mountain 50-60% of the time. 
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 06, 2018, 04:34:24 PM
Franklin's challenge is to prove he can do it without Joe Moorehead:

Without: 20-15 (0.571); 14-12, before; 6-3, after
With: 22-5 (0.815)

That's a wee ugly. Now, I think it's fair (moreso logically than practically) to question whether Moorehead made Franklin or vice versa. As if Franklin was ramping up to go roughly 22-5 (2016-17) no matter what, and we're over-interpreting the Moorehead correlation as a Moorehead cause. Who am I to call that technically plausible thing absolutely impossible?

However, given (1) Moorehead's preceding reputation, (2) Franklin's in-game confusion in all seasons and even the observation  that, perhaps, (3) had BO'B stayed, he had PSU on a steeper trajectory than the 7-6s that JF accomplished in the pre-JMo years, I'd be skeptical and not bet the house on JF if I were PSU.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on November 06, 2018, 04:57:25 PM
Penn State and Franklin are fine.  Not sure why they would be wanting his head.  They lost a lot of talent and a great playcaller and *shocking twist* aren't as good as last year.
well the guy is 1-4 vs Michigan, 1-4 vs Ohio State, 1-4 vs Michigan State. Combined total 3-12.
He's 0-12 in true road games vs ranked opponents. He's lost those games by an average margin of 22.5 points.
He's terrible at managing the clock and game situations. His special teams continually suck. He's been pretty mediocre there before and after Joe Moorehead.
Doesn't look good for him. I think he's going to be on the hot seat starting next year.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 06, 2018, 05:04:45 PM
I'm guessing there's zero chance he's fired until after the 2020 season. And *maybe* prolonging it until December 2022, though that isn't my bet.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
Post by: Geolion91 on November 07, 2018, 02:29:17 PM
The guy that needs to go is the Offensive Coordinator.  his playcalling has been terrible.  Franklin can avoid the hotseat by replacing him.
Title: Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on November 07, 2018, 03:20:54 PM
The guy that needs to go is the Offensive Coordinator.  his playcalling has been terrible.  Franklin can avoid the hotseat by replacing him.
If he replaces him and hires Moorhead 2.0, I completely agree. Especially if Moorehead 2.0 never leaves (or leaves but is forever replaced by 3.0, 4.0, 5.0,...).
Having said that, this is Ricky Rahne's first year. And Franklin seems like a nice guy (reminds me of Hoke in personality). I just don't see him pulling the trigger this fast on a guy who rose up in his program and is likely a friend. He should. But probably won't.