I am hearing on 610 WTVN that he has withdrawn from the team and the school. Not sure what that's all about.Didn't come here to play school
I am hearing on 610 WTVN that he has withdrawn from the team and the school. Not sure what that's all about.didn't hear that. That is a little weird. I know he's going to be a top 5-10 pick and instant millionaire, but you'd think he'd at least try to finish his degree in 3 yrs. Not impossible. More and more football players are now finishing their degrees in 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 yrs because of the grad transfer rule where if they have that degree they can transfer without sitting a year. Never hurts to have a degree from a great school like tOSU.
didn't hear that. That is a little weird. I know he's going to be a top 5-10 pick and instant millionaire, but you'd think he'd at least try to finish his degree in 3 yrs. Not impossible. More and more football players are now finishing their degrees in 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 yrs because of the grad transfer rule where if they have that degree they can transfer without sitting a year. Never hurts to have a degree from a great school like tOSU.If a player can graduate in 3 years, he definitely knows it by year 2.5. If Bosa is leaving, the credits are unlikely that close. Also: if you were told you'd be a multimillionaire before graduation and can no longer contribute to your team, what would you do? I bet most people would flee. Either to enjoy a little living or to work 100% on physical therapy and cautious training with an expert in the lead-up to the draft.
I'm somewhat excited for this game, but I'll be in Denver and specifically am NOT making plans to watch... This one is just too much, because I know that Purdue should legitimately have no chance to win this game, but that with a coach like Brohm I might find myself getting my hopes up in the 3rd quarter only to get dashed.Purdue has every chance to win this game, in fact they are built for it. I wouldn’t touch this game on betting, even if it was in Columbus. Fact is, and people just keep forgetting this, in conference road game at night are incredibly difficult. Just ask Michigan who I think would beat ND on a neutral field, or Wisconin who would likely keep it much closer with Michigan.
So good luck Boilers... I may not be watching, but I'll be silently rooting...
If I were a better, I'd think that Purdue will cover, OSU will win, and - without even knowing the OVER - take it.This post could be bettor ;)
You didn't invoke your inner Tonya Harding?Dude, that is just wrong.
For shame.
| #2 Ohio State Buckeyes (4-0, 7-0) at Purdue Boilermakers (2-1, 3-3) |
| 7:30 - West Lafayette, IN - ABC |
| The easy narrative is that Ohio State has been a team that plays to it's competition. However, after seeing Penn State lose again, and seeing TCU drop 3 of 4 going into a date with Oklahoma this week, the question is if you play to the level of your competition, but your competition hasn't been very good, where does that leave you? For all of the concerns, both ways, about the defenses in this tilt, Ohio State is 2nd in the Big Ten in scoring defense in Big Ten play, and Purdue is 4th. Even adjusted on a per play basis, they come in 6th and 7th. So while Ohio State fancies itself a national title contender, and Purdue got back to a bowl last year with defense, and neither seems to be at that level right now, the hyperbole about their defensive struggles seems a bit much. What seems to be absolutely the case is that neither defense has faced on offense like they one they'll face Saturday night. The Boilermakers and Buckeyes are the two schools averaging over 500 yards per game in the conference, and Dwayne Haskins is putting up numbers at the quarterback position we've never seen in Columbus. That's the issue, is that these defenses have been mediocre while facing largely bad offenses. Yes, Ohio State played Penn State, but their other three Big Ten opponents have the three worst offensive ypp averages in the conference. Likewise, Purdue played Nebraska, but Northwestern (without a healthy Thorson yet) and Illinois? Yuck. As explosive as Ohio State's offense has been, the scary thing is that they've done it while being almost one dimensional. Who that is scary for remains to be determined. Is it Ohio State fans, who know you don't win titles averaging 3.8 ypc. Or is it for opposing fans who see what the Buckeyes offense has been doing without opponents having to key on the run, but knowing that with J.K. Dobbins and Mike Weber, it's unlikely to continue. Some of it starts up front, where PFF grades Ohio State's offensive line 2nd in the conference, but my eyes haven't seen that. Isaiah Prince seemed to be getting beat regularly when I'd pay attention to him last week. For Purdue the task is protecting David Blough. On the season, they've done a commendable job, 36th in the nation in adjusted sack rate allowed, but recently, they haven't, rising by over 2% to nearly 7%. May not seem like a big deal, but that's the difference between #36 and #80. Bill Connolly's metrics, which are finally live this week for OL production are VERY favorable to the Boilermakers. The one issue, 3rd and longs. Purdue is top 25 by several of his metrics, and are top ten in 4 of his 9, but while their sack rate on standard downs is only 1.4%, good for #9 in the nation, on passing downs that plummets to 10.5%, #98. Whether that's due to Blough holding the ball too long, or a philosophy of quick routes, that evaporates on 3rd and long, that's an issue for Purdue. Ohio State's defensive issues seem to be that they were 100% reliant on having a line so dominant that they could cover up for back end deficiencies with pressure, and with 7 man drops. It's been good, but it hasn't been insanely good, substantially due to injuries. That's allowed the holes in the back to be exposed. Each of the past 2 seasons Ohio State lost a road game to an unranked conference opponent. They've actually won 8 in a row against ranked conference opponents, dating back to the 2015 Michigan State loss. If you are looking for the 2016 Penn State or 2017 Iowa result for 2018, this seems like the best bet, although College Park is tricky, and Michigan State very well might be unranked in 3 weeks when they go to East Lansing. I still think it will look a lot more like the previous two weeks, with Purdue playing even with Ohio State for a half, and the Buckeyes pulling away with an unrelenting offense. |
| OHIO STATE 38, PURDUE 21 |
Wow! Didn’t see that coming. Purdue is in the hunt in the West.It sure looked like that yesterday, but OSU almost always gets everyone's best shot.
I was at an Eagles Concert in Cleveland and missed the game.Completely ineffective in the red zone. Think they were there four or five times and 6 points out of it
Quick question: How does a team throw for ~500 yards and only score 20 points?
Completely ineffective in the red zone. Think they were there four or five times and 6 points out of itI heard it was 4 trips to the red zone. An interesting thing about that is, even if each had been a TD+XP, it still wouldn't have been enough to win. That's nuttier than the blowout to me.
Can a team really give another team "their best shot" while giving other opponents less than that?The answer to your question is HELL YES. Having played this game and coached it, nothing is more certain than the “ emotional” part of it. Denying this would seem like teams could just play on paper.
I just watched an OSU make mistake after mistake, penalties, alignment issues, not being able to run the ball, giving up on trying to run the ball ... a Perfect Storm.
We see this happen every year to top teams, which is why going 13-0 is so rare. Somehow, a team can "have a bad game" and get upset once a year, even a much better more talented team.
I view it more as a statistical event than something relating to motivation. You don't quite make that first down, you have a crucial penalty, some WR drops a ball, then the team starts pressing, which is mental, and things spiral out of control.
And Purdue has a pretty good well coached team. I hope they can keep their coach. They were a team I "had my eye on" this year. As noted, they lost 3 games that could have been wins.
This is just a poorly coached undisciplined team.I heard some good analysis on ESPNU radio. Basically saying that the OSU d-line is quite good and played well. Had pressure on Blough most of the night. But Brohm did a great job taking advantage of the OSU weakness - the LBs and DBs ( more the LBs).
The only unit that for the most part holds its own
Is the qb/wr for the most part. For some reason
Our coaching staff thinks never asking a guard or tackle
To pull, wham, anything is a good way to run the
Football. you can’t run when even on running
Plays your essentially pass blocking.
The roughing the passer call that kept a Purdue TD drive
Alive was correct and horrible for an experienced player
To make, likewise in a return punt call roughing the kicker
Is inexcusable. 10 penalties in all, sloppy undisciplined
Football.
Defensively we lack imagination, our defensive line even
When Bosa was there was good but not great. The LBs
Are just awful, none of them can get off a block and lack
Speed and instinctive playmaking. The 2ndary is unable
To make even a routine tackle.
Add in a missed FG, a botched kick return and OSU failed
In basically every aspect of the game.
Everyone keeps saying the next 3 games are easy for Ohio st before Michigan, I don’t think there’s a gimme left the way this team plays. They
Seem to lack motivation, fight, there’s no killer instinct on this
Team and going into week 9 it’s too late to develop it.
Credit to Purdue, they fought, and wanted it more. And they might
Not have as many playmakers as OSU but their top
Guys are better. And frohm is arguably the best coach in the
Conference.
I heard it was 4 trips to the red zone. An interesting thing about that is, even if each had been a TD+XP, it still wouldn't have been enough to win. That's nuttier than the blowout to me.This is my concern and I don't get it. I knew going in that Ohio State had some issues but how can you lose THAT badly to a team that is good and better than their record but by no means a serious CFP contender?
Tough for a kid like Martinez to break in here with the huge Purdue winTough for anyone to break in with a player like Rondale Moore. This is his 3rd Freshman of the Week award. He leads the B1G in receptions, receiving yards, and is 2nd in receiving TDs.
how about maybe OSU just isn't as good as you hope they are.Oh yeah.
The answer to your question is HELL YES. Having played this game and coached it, nothing is more certain than the “ emotional” part of it. Denying this would seem like teams could just play on paper.Gene Keady has one of my all-time favorite quotes about sports. It applied here when Purdue crushed OSu. It applied when Purdue gave us 31 in the 1st half to a Northwestern squad that would lose it's next 3.
How many times do we see it? Was Auburn really better than Bama last year? Was Iowa really 55-24 better than OSU last year. It’s why the transitive property doesn’t work at all.
It has nothing to do with how “ good a team is”. It is about what they are capable of, both good performance and bad.
That’s why night time road games heavily favor the home team.
Most teams are capapble of Super crisp performances. It usually comes from the gut....a game you have circled on your calendar, where you actually respect that the opponent is really good but you are so focused and intense, it carries you to another level.
It’s like Patterson of TCU said after losing to OSU- something to the effect that this was the game they prepared for all summer and fall, and playing well and losing will be hard to come back from. I think PSU ha that night game white out circled as well, because of how they lost to OSU last year.
Purdue looked amazing last night, and it wasn’t a fluke, great coaching and highly motivated team and atmosphere. But that will likely be the best game they play all year.
Why do you think teams that meet twice often have different outcomes.
Make no mistake...in college football the variance between a team’s best and worst is quite wide, and mostly impacted by emotional factors and atmosphere.
I also thought that part of what caused a problem for Ohio State was that all of those stalled drives were early in the game.Great line up. Those pass break ups in the endzone by former walkon Blackmon were absolutely HUGE.
Purdue was up 7-0, OSU only managed a FG. Purdue was up 7-3, OSU got to the red zone and missed a FG. Purdue finally extended to 14-3, halftime.
Purdue gives OSU the ball to start the 2nd, they drive to the red zone and only manage a FG, now down 14-6. Purdue responds with a TD, 21-6. OSU drives to the 2 yard line on the next drive, but turns over on downs, still 21-6.
At this point, OSU starts getting one-dimensional, because time is ticking and they need to start scoring. That made them tight and easier to defend, and allowed Purdue to spend time focusing on rushing Haskins.
But those first four trips to the red zone only gave 6 points, and in that time period Purdue only managed 21 of their eventual 49. Had OSU, say, made their three FG's and then gotten a TD on that 4th & goal from the 2 yard line, we're looking at a 21-16 game.
I think if you go into the 4th quarter at 21-16 rather than 21-6, this endgame plays out much differently. But down 21-6, Purdue was feeling confident and OSU was feeling desperate.
Do you think OSU ever gave up in the 4th? It had been a 1-2 score game for so long and then snowballed so fast.I think it's more they can't run the ball and don't play very sound defense, which is a poor combination for gentle fourth quarters.
I guess I'm asking for a fan's evaluation of the team's "rise to the occasion" or "self-preservation" skills to-date. From here, they appear to be lacking. But I could be mistaking other circumstances (e.g., injuries) for that.
Do you think OSU ever gave up in the 4th? It had been a 1-2 score game for so long and then snowballed so fast.A fair question.
I guess I'm asking for a fan's evaluation of the team's "rise to the occasion" or "self-preservation" skills to-date. From here, they appear to be lacking. But I could be mistaking other circumstances (e.g., injuries) for that.
Last year when Michigan had to face adversity in their night, road game against Penn State, they got blown off the field. So, I would ask, is it because they gave up?It's tangential but reminded me of this from Don Brown about PSU:
I know my answer would be no. People forget how hard night time road games are, especially against quality teams
(...)
But if Michigan could have played PSU last year at home at noon or at a neutral site, what would you guess the result would be? My guess is it would have been a much closer game.
My two cents....
Do you think OSU ever gave up in the 4th? It had been a 1-2 score game for so long and then snowballed so fast.I don't think so. Both of Knox' long runs came IMHO from the OSU defense being aggressive.
I don't think so. Both of Knox' long runs came IMHO from the OSU defense being aggressive.I agree and I'll add two things:
One was on 3rd and 9, where Purdue spread the defense and I think OSU was probably hoping to jam receivers and rush Blough. Knox got through to the second level, and with the aggressive OSU defense, it was off to the races. Looking at the replay, one safety got sucked down close to the LOS and couldn't recover in time, and so Knox just had to juke the other safety and it was all over.
The next was a 1st and 10, and was somewhat similar. The OSU safeties saw the run and were crashing towards the LOS in run support, but Knox split them between a good block on one and a bad angle by the other, and there was nobody left.
The last one shouldn't have been a touchdown, but the OSU defender didn't get Moore on the ground. I think it's likely the other OSU players were expecting him to get tackled [so perhaps didn't pursue as hard as they should have], but once he broke the tackle he had a good angle to split defenders and go the rest of the way.
Those weren't long, demoralizing drives. They were broken defensive plays where the Purdue players got in space and just did the rest on their own.
I am not buying that example, how about maybe OSU just isn't as good as you hope they are. I would want someone who watched the Neb vs Minn to give a more accurate account of what went down before laying a blanket statement like that out there. Weak sauce there.Well?
It sure looked like that yesterday, but OSU almost always gets everyone's best shot.I just can't believe that posters aren't flocking to this thread in droves, in order to concede that ole Brutus isn't so crazy after all.
Next week they will be back to looking like Purdue, and Sparty will give them all that they can handle.
If I've seen it once, I've seen it a hundred times.
Last year when Michigan had to face adversity in their night, road game against Penn State, they got blown off the field. So, I would ask, is it because they gave up?agree 100%.
I know my answer would be no. People forget how hard night time road games are, especially against quality teams- when it is their Super Bowl. Most teams play few of those. It was OSUs third of the year. Purdue simply kicked their ass.
But if Michigan could have played PSU last year at home at noon or at a neutral site, what would you guess the result would be? My guess is it would have been a much closer game.
My two cents....
agree 100%.I will agree with you except to say that it wasn’t so much the media hammering Michigan as it was Michigan fans. Some were downright distraught, Including several on this forum. You may recall of certain buckeye trying to say that this was going to be good for Michigan in the long run and that they would be right back in the middle of this conference race.
Road games are tough. Night road games are extremely tough.
Night road games to open the season are borderline impossible. Which is why it's kinda funny and crazy to me that Michigan got hammered as much as they did by the media for losing by 7 pts to a pretty good ND team to open the season on the road at night.
OSU crapped the bed vs. Purdue. Not the end of the world. If they let it ruin their season it can, but if they rebound they'll be 10-1 playing Michigan at home for a shot at a CCG and a playoff berth.
I will agree with you except to say that it wasn’t so much the media hammering Michigan as it was Michigan fans. Some were downright distraught, Including several on this forum. You may recall of certain buckeye trying to say that this was going to be good for Michigan in the long run and that they would be right back in the middle of this conference race.I don't know man, they got smashed pretty hard by the media. All of the hot taking media morons were just slamming Harbaugh saying he was on the hot seat and should lose his job if Michigan doesn't win the B1G this year, and I believe Michigan dropped out of the top 25 after that 1 loss.
Michigan didn’t even bring their ‘A’ game and still barely lost.
I don't know man, they got smashed pretty hard by the media. All of the hot taking media morons were just slamming Harbaugh saying he was on the hot seat and should lose his job if Michigan doesn't win the B1G this year, and I believe Michigan dropped out of the top 25 after that 1 loss.Yes- I guess they did. The media are seemingly only good for hot takes. Clicks.
They definitely got hammered by the media in my eyes.
I just can't believe that posters aren't flocking to this thread in droves, in order to concede that ole Brutus isn't so crazy after all.Ole Brutus is batshit crazy but I didn't feel the need drop what I'm doing to rush in here and tell everyone the obvious
Ole Brutus is batshit crazy but I didn't feel the need drop what I'm doing to rush in here and tell everyone the obvious:57:
It sure looked like that yesterday, but OSU almost always gets everyone's best shot.Still holding true to form.
Next week they will be back to looking like Purdue, and Sparty will give them all that they can handle.
If I've seen it once, I've seen it a hundred times.