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Title: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 15, 2018, 12:20:15 PM
What are the worst officiated games you have ever seen?
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: BrownCounty on October 15, 2018, 12:26:05 PM

Texas at Baylor.  Grant Teaff's last game as HC.  I was there.  early 90's?

We was robbed.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: FearlessF on October 15, 2018, 12:41:01 PM
Pelini's last game in College Station

Huskers 16 penalties for 145 yards

Aggies 2 penalties for 10

and then there was this non-call


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhdJZGeUEAA-nDE.jpg)


(https://dataomaha.com/media/husker_history/game-photos/1998-game-11-photo.jpg)

Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: longhorn320 on October 15, 2018, 12:50:50 PM
Not many cause we pay off the refs
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Gigem on October 15, 2018, 01:45:12 PM
Not many cause we pay off the refs
At least one of you bastards finally admit it!!
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: utee94 on October 15, 2018, 02:01:38 PM
At least one of you bastards finally admit it!!
Ha!
I'll throw in the Texas-Oklahoma State game in... 2015 I think?  The one where the racist AF ref followed Charlie Strong around trying to get him to react, then actually bumped into him on his own, and threw a flag.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: BrownCounty on October 15, 2018, 02:05:15 PM
Not many cause we pay off the refs

It's easier just to stoke Aggie conspiracy rather than deny it.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: utee94 on October 15, 2018, 02:10:34 PM
It's easier just to stoke Aggie conspiracy rather than deny it.
If we pay off refs than I guess our checks bounced in 2015.
And against KSU just a couple of weeks ago...
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: FearlessF on October 15, 2018, 02:11:47 PM
that shouldn't happen with ESPN LHN $$$
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 15, 2018, 02:32:28 PM
Yep.  Texas at Baylor in '92 as BC said and Oklahoma State at Texas in '15 as Junior said.

Others that come to mind are Missouri at Colorado in 1990, Missouri at Nebraska in 1997 and Oklahoma at Oregon in 2006.

Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 15, 2018, 02:36:11 PM
Come to think of it, I think Missouri was at Nebraska in 1997.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Gigem on October 15, 2018, 03:06:46 PM
Come to think of it, I think Missouri was at Nebraska in 1997.
Pretty sure it was at Mizzou as it was the same infamous endzone as the 5th down (think it was CU vs Mizzou) and CU also won the MNC.  
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Gigem on October 15, 2018, 03:07:38 PM
Man that one lit up the old CNNSI boards.  The infamous "kicked ball".  No youtube or nothing then too.  I'm not even sure if we could watch video but I remember there were lots of discussion about it.  
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: FearlessF on October 15, 2018, 03:44:07 PM
it was at Missery
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 15, 2018, 03:56:53 PM
Yep.  I remember that.  

No offense to Fearless Frankie who is clearly one of the good guys but questionable calls seem to follow the Cornhuskers like a stench.

Everybody's probably got a couple, but Nebraska's got a lot.   They had the flea kicker at Missouri, the 2010 Aggie game.  Some Big Red fans even got their back up about Colt McCoy's added second in the 2009 CCG.

Colossal anti-Horn sentiment built up on that latter one until somebody pointed out Nebraska had benefited from an eerily identical scenario in the 1994 Orange Bowl.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: FearlessF on October 15, 2018, 04:26:43 PM
we've been over this many times, but the flea kicker was a judgement by the zebra that the Husker WR inadvertently kicked the ball and not intentionally - I could see it either way.

The Tigger fans were upset, but the Michigan fans have seemed to hold the grudge tighter for longer.

the added time to the clocks was a bit similar but not identical

I was at the 94 Orange Bowl, there it was obvious that the WR was down with more than a couple seconds on the clock and obviously a first down.  Clock should have stopped and the Huskers did have another time out.  Wasn't a matter of Refs allowing the TO in time.  The McCoy pass that went out of bounds clearly hit the handrail or whatever with one second on the clock when checking with the replay.  I thought it was a good call.  Don't think either instance really could have been ruled any other way.

It would have been nice if the Horn kicker would have duck hooked the ball like the Husker kicker did to give Bobby Bowden his first MNC.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: BrownCounty on October 15, 2018, 04:35:57 PM
The McCoy pass that went out of bounds clearly hit the handrail or whatever with one second on the clock when checking with the replay.  I thought it was a good call.

The thing is - if that play had happened at any other point during regulation, we wouldn't be analyzing a replay to see precisely when the ball hit OOB.

Football is flawed.  Humans are flawed.  But that's what we have to work with in this life.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Mr Tulip on October 15, 2018, 04:59:19 PM
That ball hitting the handrail was dumb luck. Colt was out on his feet and had no idea what he was doing. He's a student of the game, would have normally known clock management, and would have rifled that ball out of bounds. Suh spent the evening sitting on Colt's head (despite the entire Texas OL trying to prevent it), and he was clearly loopy.

The game that stands out in my minds was the 2000 Stanford/TX game. The Pac-<x> insists on always using their officials because, well, they're a better breed of human after all. Now, officials have a hard job, they make mistakes, blah blah blah. It's real hard to see that game as fairly contested, though.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CousinFreddie on October 16, 2018, 09:53:13 AM
Mine of course are the obvious ones

the Texas game in 1984
the Oregon game in 2006

Both times the Sooners were screwed out of wins by the referees.  I was at the Oregon game, and met fellow porcher Mex the Dog afterwards.  We both agreed that Oregon fans were very accommodating (I had three different fans buy me a beer just because I was a Sooner fan - it made me think that I should just start going down to Eugene with the opponent's colors on for every home game, and essentially drink on the house, but I doubt this would work for Pac 12 rivals, only OOC teams like OU that hardly ever go there and may never again after what happened that day!).  We also agreed that the refs were abyssmal.  In Mex's words, we got jobbed.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CousinFreddie on October 16, 2018, 09:56:33 AM
and then there was this non-call


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhdJZGeUEAA-nDE.jpg)
Ouch FF.  That's brutal just to look at, much less experience.  Did EC keep on playing that day?
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: FearlessF on October 16, 2018, 11:26:48 AM
yes, he may have taken a play or two off, but finished the game
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 16, 2018, 11:49:38 AM
Crouch was a tough one.

Who was the QB you had that had a name that sounded like the Count of Monte Cristo or something?
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Gigem on October 16, 2018, 12:17:45 PM
That was a big game for the time.  KSU hadn't beaten NU in decades and seemed to be the last hurdle to a MNC (seemed!).  All the KSU fans had that 40-30 sig for awhile.  I wonder where our KSU friends went?  Skicat, WC4E, etc.  
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 16, 2018, 03:09:24 PM
When I first started on CNNSI, there was this K State poster named The Ville.

I hate to admit it but he was kind of like a role model for me.  He never seemed to lose his temper.  He was eternally patient.  His answers were always logical and well-thought out.  He seemed to respect everybody else, no matter how stupid or annoying they were.

Then we all moved to another site and he kind of became a sarcastic condescending jerk.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CousinFreddie on October 16, 2018, 04:05:35 PM
WC4E still checks in from time to time.  They were on a lot back when KC was in the Series
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: TexasFan on October 16, 2018, 05:06:23 PM
The Rice game.   Either Akers or McWilliams last year.       And the Ohio State / Miami national championship. 
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 16, 2018, 05:19:45 PM
The Rice game.   Either Akers or McWilliams last year.       And the Ohio State / Miami national championship.  
 And the Ohio State / Miami national championship.  

2002?  Something about a reception.   I had forgotten that.

I need to check that one out.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: FearlessF on October 16, 2018, 10:09:39 PM
Crouch was a tough one.

Who was the QB you had that had a name that sounded like the Count of Monte Cristo or something?
Monte Christo would end his Husker career appearing in 18 games (starting one). He'd rush 64 times for 275 yards and three touchdowns, and completed 19 passes for 261 yards and two scores.
1998 (Senior)
Christo was the No. 3 quarterback behind Bobby Newcombe and Eric Crouch entering his senior season, but earned the start against Texas while Newcombe and Crouch battled through injuries (partially torn knee ligament and hip injury, respectively). 
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: MarqHusker on October 19, 2018, 09:13:38 PM
I was at the 40-30 game.  Wild game.   Took the kitties 30min to get the goalposts down.  It was a great scene.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Gigem on October 20, 2018, 10:55:22 AM
Does any of our non-longhorn brethren find it rich that they are complaining about the refs?  

I’m surprised no Sooners have brought up that Ou Tech tilt from the mid to late 2000’s where OU was totally screwed (with replays to boot) at the end of the game. 

My personal favorite is the late hit or out of bounds hit that gave Texas a fresh set of downs and win the final A&M/Texas game. Pictures later surfaced showing said ref in Longhorn garb. Personally I blame that game on Mike Sherman and Bill Byrne. 
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: longhorn320 on October 20, 2018, 12:35:50 PM
Does any of our non-longhorn brethren find it rich that they are complaining about the refs?  

I’m surprised no Sooners have brought up that Ou Tech tilt from the mid to late 2000’s where OU was totally screwed (with replays to boot) at the end of the game.

My personal favorite is the late hit or out of bounds hit that gave Texas a fresh set of downs and win the final A&M/Texas game. Pictures later surfaced showing said ref in Longhorn garb. Personally I blame that game on Mike Sherman and Bill Byrne.
Why gigem whatever do you mean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKPmi8sFk5A
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: FearlessF on October 21, 2018, 09:55:02 PM
let's have a spelling contest
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 22, 2018, 02:32:32 PM
So I looked at that screenshot from Tombstone and wondered whatever happened JoAnna Pacula...

So I went to imbd to look at the full cast list...

Did you know Michael Rooker, Thomas Haden Church and Billy Bob Thornton were in it?  I didn't remember that.  They were all kind of lost in the wayside of Val Kilmer, Powers Booth and Michael Biehn chewing up the screen.

So I looked up clips.

Remembered Church.  Rooker was a youngster.  And Billy Bob Thornton was a chubby cheeked boy.  I didn't even recognize him.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: FearlessF on October 22, 2018, 09:09:00 PM
my favorite western of all-time
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Kris60 on October 28, 2018, 05:19:19 PM
Can we add the botched job the refs pulled in the Ok St-Texas game on the attempted fake punt from the Pokes.  Half of the team moves and Texas is called for offsides.  That was a big play in that game.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: FearlessF on October 28, 2018, 06:03:39 PM
I understand that the Okies are moving around pre-snap, but the defense needs to hold their water and not cross the neutral zone

it was probably a bad call, but not the worst call ever
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Entropy on October 30, 2018, 03:51:59 PM
well... not one game... but...

Nebraska offensive opponents were called for zero holding calls on pass plays for 21 straight conference games (over 600 pass attempts).


The Generation X'er in me says the BIG has something against UNL.   The realist in me says UNL doesn't have a DL athletic enough to warrant a holding call.   Either way, it's an interesting stat.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Mr Tulip on October 30, 2018, 04:08:46 PM
Can we add the botched job the refs pulled in the Ok St-Texas game on the attempted fake punt from the Pokes.  Half of the team moves and Texas is called for offsides.  That was a big play in that game.
This comes down to a judgement call. Clearly, offenses set and reset all the time. Players motion out of the backfield.
The differentiator is supposed to be "simulating the start of a play". That is, a RB can go in motion in a clearly defined movement. Jumping forward really fast before doing so would not be allowed.
I agree with you that the refs botched this one. When the two inside protectors suddenly shot towards the Center, the defending rushers logically took that as the start of the play (they're looking at the players and not the ball). oSu should have been called for a false start.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: BrownCounty on October 30, 2018, 04:09:13 PM
Does any of our non-longhorn brethren find it rich that they are complaining about the refs?

Learning to complain about Longhorn favoritism is part of Aggie fish camp.  No one listens when Aggies cry out.

As far as Sooners, too many of their MNC's have an asterisk for me to worry about their virtue being violated.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2018, 04:13:07 PM
I preferred the good ol days when the offense had to be set for a full count and the defense could do whatever the heck they wanted to try to make them flinch
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: utee94 on October 30, 2018, 04:59:42 PM
I understand that the Okies are moving around pre-snap, but the defense needs to hold their water and not cross the neutral zone

it was probably a bad call, but not the worst call ever
It was absolutely the wrong call, actually.  Definitely one of the worst calls ever, because they got it completely wrong, and it was extremely impactful.
There were 4 things going on there.  
1) Multiple olinemen shifting.  They are allowed to do this before they are down and before the ball is snapped. However, the rules dictate that this is NOT something that can draw the defense offsides. The only way the defense can be offsides in this case, is if the ball snaps. And if the linemen are shifting when the ball snaps, then it's an illegal procedure on the offense.
2) Two men shifting forward in the backfield toward the LOS.  Similar to above, this is allowed before the ball snaps, but by rule it's not something that can draw the defense offsides. The only way the defense can be called offsides here, is if the ball snaps, and if the ball snaps, then once again, that's an illegal procedure on the offense.  
3) A covered olineman shifting. Which is exactly what happened.  This one is an automatic illegal procedure and should have blown the play dead immediately with an illegal procedure on the offense.
4) Any motions/maneuvers that are designed to simulate the start of the play with the intent to draw the defense offsides unfairly, are also against the rules and an illegal procedure.  This play was CLEARLY designed to confuse both the defense, and the refs.  I give them credit, it worked, but the refs blew this one badly.  4 different ways it could have and should have been called illegal procedure on the offense, and yet it was incorrectly called against the defense.
And it was obviously VERY highly impactful.  Pretty much the worst call I've seen all season long due to the magnitude of its effect on the game as well as the total wrongness of the officials missing it 4 different ways.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: utee94 on October 30, 2018, 05:02:52 PM
This comes down to a judgement call. Clearly, offenses set and reset all the time. Players motion out of the backfield.
The differentiator is supposed to be "simulating the start of a play". That is, a RB can go in motion in a clearly defined movement. Jumping forward really fast before doing so would not be allowed.
I agree with you that the refs botched this one. When the two inside protectors suddenly shot towards the Center, the defending rushers logically took that as the start of the play (they're looking at the players and not the ball). oSu should have been called for a false start.
Right. Like I outlined above, FOUR different ways this was an illegal procedure/false start on oSu, and not a single one of them was called.  Horrible, horrible call.

Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: utee94 on October 30, 2018, 05:04:23 PM
I preferred the good ol days when the offense had to be set for a full count and the defense could do whatever the heck they wanted to try to make them flinch
I'll definitely agree with you there.  I mean... the offense KNOWS the snap count.  Not sure why they need any NEW protections other than that.  It worked for the first hundred years or so...
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: DevilFroggy on October 31, 2018, 01:24:39 AM
ASU's game against Stanford last week was one of the worst ones in recent memory. 

We got jobbed at home vs LSU in 2005, that was NOT a touchdown catch by Early Doucet with 1:14 left in the game, dammit. 


Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: DevilFroggy on October 31, 2018, 01:28:35 AM
And while ASU did benefit from a ref blunder (nothing intentional, the refs were just dumb) at the end of their home game vs Wisconsin in 2013 I don't feel bad about it. Not only do I feel like ASU was the better team (if that game is played 10 times ASU wins 7-8 of them) but in the first half the refs missed an obvious hold by one of their olineman while their QB was in the endzone (should be a safety) but the refs missed another play where the badger QB's knee was down before he pitched the ball off to an RB for some positive yards when it should have been a sack. 
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Kris60 on October 31, 2018, 05:18:07 AM
1992 vs. Syracuse.  WVU is up 17-13 with about 2 minutes left and SU has the ball.  QB Marvin Graves is belted out of bounds on a scramble.  He thinks it’s a dirty hit (it wasn’t) so he gets up and rifles the ball into the back of the head of DB Tommy Orr.  Orr turns around and pushes him and then is basically enveloped by the entire Orange sideline.

A mini brawl erupts and after a minute or so everyone is separated as the refs discuss what to do.  After all the discussion the ref gets on the mic and announces three WVU starters in the secondary have been ejected along with a 3rd string tackle from Syracuse.  The kid from SU was so obscure he wasn’t listed on the roster the WVU radio crew had received from the school.  Graves, the guy who started it all in the first place, gets nothing.

Graves takes advantage of a depleted secondary and leads the Orange on a 2 minute drive that culminates in a touchdown.  SU wins 20-17.  To this day Marvin Graves is despised in the state of WV.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Drew4UTk on October 31, 2018, 08:13:13 AM
ECU @ Bama, somewhere in the mid nineties... Bama calls a t/o to stop the clock at the end of the game after their runner being tackled in bounds, and when ECU was ahead, and... the refs grant it... problem: they'd already used all three for the half.  solution: the refs gave them another anyway.  They split the uprights and won the game.  Steve Logan, then HC of ECU said after the game "I will NEVER allow a game scheduled in the SEC regular season again".   I've seen some blown calls before, and just remark that (prior to instant replay) refs are just human too- but this one was flat out nasty and literally stole a game from a team that had worked their asses off the entire game to earn that win.... 
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: FearlessF on October 31, 2018, 10:02:19 AM
And while ASU did benefit from a ref blunder (nothing intentional, the refs were just dumb) at the end of their home game vs Wisconsin in 2013 I don't feel bad about it. 
hah, nobody ever feels bad about being on the "lucky" end of a blown call
hopefully, these equal out in the football universe over time
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Kris60 on November 04, 2018, 08:53:22 PM
I have a new nominee.  The crew of WVU-Texas authored a complete shit show yesterday.  One of the worst officiated games I’ve seen in quite a while.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: utee94 on November 04, 2018, 09:22:52 PM
It was shocking bad, no doubt.

Congrats on the win Kris, despite the numerous Texas losses to your team and the awkward geography/timezone/distance stuff, I've been really happy with the addition of WVU to the B12.  Best of luck from here on out, and, with a little luck, perhaps Texas will get the chance at a rematch in the completely redundant and unnecessary B12 CCG. ;)

Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 05, 2018, 09:48:59 AM
What's sad is how much us SEC guys complain about the officiating, and rightfully so.....yet they're still better than the Big 12 and PAC refs.  

Honestly, I'm not sure that overall the SEC crews aren't perhaps the best (definitely the fastest) refs.  

And that's really, really sad.  

Because they suck.  
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on November 05, 2018, 12:31:36 PM
You know... sometimes spots are even worse than calls.  A little fudge here or there can sure mess up a game.  And I'm not even talking about the Texas-wvu game.  I'm talking about all games in general.  

But the nice thing about the Texas-wvu game was that the officiating was thoroughly bad.  Misery loves company and when the refs are hosing you it always provides great solace to see them hosing your opponent too.

Texas and wvu both got screwed.  And even though Texas lost, the Horns had hunnert woulda coulda shouldas that might've changed everything.

Hard to complain in light of those factors.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CousinFreddie on November 05, 2018, 02:22:01 PM
Honestly, I'm not sure that overall the SEC crews aren't perhaps the best (definitely the fastest) refs. 
Change the first s to a t, and they would become "definitely the fattest refs."
Seriously though, is there an objective measure for refs?  In this age of video replay, I think they're beginning to get a handle on which baseball umpires are more (and less) accurate at calling balls and strikes.  But in football, hmmm, seems harder to get an objective measure on whether the knee hit the turf before the ball crossed the plane, given that it would actually be a review of the review, nowadays, kind of like a refereeing infinite mirror, of sorts. 

How do we determine which conference has the best (and worst) refs?  We can give anecdotal examples of times when our team got ripped off in a OOC game (and for OU, definitely it was SWC and Pac refs that seemed the worst, but still the sample size is not large even if at times egregious).  But systematically, who has analyzed the refs?  And, who'll stop the rain?  And, who knows where the time goes?
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 05, 2018, 03:32:39 PM
I was thinking more in terms of bad penalties called, or missing penalties that should've been called.  Not so much in terms of placing the ball correctly or where/when a guy's knee was down.  

The SEC has a long and storied history of flat out botches.  And they're still probably not worth complaining about as much as what I see sometimes in the PAC and the B12.  
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Mr Tulip on November 07, 2018, 11:18:26 AM
You know... sometimes spots are even worse than calls.  A little fudge here or there can sure mess up a game.  And I'm not even talking about the Texas-wvu game.  I'm talking about all games in general.  

But the nice thing about the Texas-wvu game was that the officiating was thoroughly bad.  Misery loves company and when the refs are hosing you it always provides great solace to see them hosing your opponent too.

Texas and wvu both got screwed.  And even though Texas lost, the Horns had hunnert woulda coulda shouldas that might've changed everything.

Hard to complain in light of those factors.
Yeah. The statistician in me knows that conspiracy theories are bunk, the mistakes in a sufficiently large sample even out, and the proximal mistake usually gets unfairly blamed.
A lot of what happened in the Texas/WVU game was appallingly bad. It had an effect on the game.
However, that doesn't mean you're obligated to overthrow wide open TEs. It doesn't force you to run a lengthy toss sweep on 2nd and goal from the 1/2 yard line. It shouldn't confuse your DE and have him repeatedly crash inside while leaving the ball carrier sprinting past him.
When you play perfectly and lose when the officiating hoses you, then you can complain.
Actually, I complain constantly anyway.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 07, 2018, 11:36:12 AM
in that spirit, @Mr Tulip (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=45) , i feel much the same about OT games... if one team doesn't decisively defeat another they aren't that much better... and even then it's a toss up if the delta is because of one bad match up on the field (i.e. a specific receiver can't be covered w/o opening up other receivers, or a specific DL can't be contained by the OL w/o opening up threats elsewhere)... 

calls ought not be a factor in who wins or loses if one team is truly better than the other, pretty much period.... unless you're alabama and got an additional t/o at the end of regulation and inside field goal range. shizen like that, now... that is heartbreaking. 
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on November 25, 2018, 10:49:42 AM
Lots of folks seem to be talking about this one.  I didn’t see it.

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/11/25/18110745/texas-am-lsu-overtime-fbs-record (https://www.sbnation.com/2018/11/25/18110745/texas-am-lsu-overtime-fbs-record)
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: utee94 on November 25, 2018, 11:05:35 AM
Yeah, there was some weird and questionable stuff at the end of the game.  If I were an LSU fan, I'd probably be feeling pretty robbed right about now.

I think there are reasonable explanations for how the Aggies tied it up on that final drive in regulation, but the worst one was that I absolutely believe LSU recovered a fumble to end the Aggies' possession in the first OT, and thus won the game at that point.  To my eye it's not even questionable, it's a clear reception, fumble, and LSU recovery.

But the refs giveth, and the refs taketh away.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: FearlessF on November 25, 2018, 11:59:03 AM
I agree on the reception and fumble, but I do think it's questionable enough to see the ref's point of view.  It was bang bang
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on November 25, 2018, 12:09:37 PM
When bad calls happen, it’s tempting human nature to resent the benefactor but it’s doubtful they had any more control over the outcome than the injured party did.  It’s just the way it goes and you want to believe there was no agenda and that things will even out in the wash - if not within the course of a game than within the course of a season.

I think what bothers me most is I remember a time when football was a more obvious and less interpretive game.

Catches were catches.  Fumbles were fumbles.  Rules were simple and easy to follow.

The more they’ve tried to define things (and I believe this starts at the NFL level and all others follow suit), the more they have muddied the waters and made it about the refs instead of the teams.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: FearlessF on November 25, 2018, 12:14:37 PM
yup, the more they try to make things "fair"  the more they screw things up

life isn't fair and football is played with a ball that is not round
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: longhorn320 on November 25, 2018, 12:24:10 PM
I think its funny as hell that the LSU coach not only had to endure the tough loss but also had the honor of having gatorade thrown on him
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: FearlessF on November 25, 2018, 12:42:00 PM
dumping gatorade on a coach has been around since 1985

it's tired and foolish

I'm not a fan
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: utee94 on November 25, 2018, 12:57:48 PM
I agree on the reception and fumble, but I do think it's questionable enough to see the ref's point of view.  It was bang bang
They didn't even hold play for even a moment to review it.  Contrast that with the painstaking effort they took to take away the LSU INT at the end of regulation that would have ended the game, reviewing that play and overturning even when there wasn't definitive evidence that Mond's knee was definitely down.  
Like I said, LSU fans that think they got screwed, multiple times, have legitimate complaints.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: utee94 on November 25, 2018, 12:59:07 PM
yup, the more they try to make things "fair"  the more they screw things up

life isn't fair and football is played with a ball that is not round
Absolutely agree with all of this, though.  The fact that they've made the rules so subjective and influenced by interpretation is harming the sport, badly.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Gigem on November 25, 2018, 01:29:21 PM
Yeah, there was some weird and questionable stuff at the end of the game.  If I were an LSU fan, I'd probably be feeling pretty robbed right about now.

I think there are reasonable explanations for how the Aggies tied it up on that final drive in regulation, but the worst one was that I absolutely believe LSU recovered a fumble to end the Aggies' possession in the first OT, and thus won the game at that point.  To my eye it's not even questionable, it's a clear reception, fumble, and LSU recovery.

But the refs giveth, and the refs taketh away.
I posted on the SEC board that for the first time the refs were biased in our favor. That faux Gatorade bath int review sequence was just awesome. I’ll take whatever help we can get. 
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on November 25, 2018, 01:34:42 PM
Yep.  Can’t feel bad when you’re the beneficiary when you’ve been the victim before and you know you will again.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on November 25, 2018, 01:39:45 PM
What’s upsetting for all fans (losers and winners) is when it “appears” like the league office has an agenda to:
Put the two most popular teams in the CCG;
Or send a legendary coach out with a win;
Or send a departing conference member out with a loss;
Or preserve a team’s shot at a big post season payout;
Or drum a rivalry out of a one-sided history;
Or whatever.

It just makes everyone feel dirty.  I’d rather they avoid all appearance of impropriety.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: FearlessF on November 25, 2018, 01:50:15 PM
or welcome a new conference member with a tough schedule and record

ask Maryland and Rutgers

best to not change conferences very often
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Shiner on November 26, 2018, 08:12:50 AM
The play with Sternberger that was called incomplete was a bang-bang play... I could see it go either way.  It was called incomplete on the field so I don't think there was enough compelling evidence to overturn it.  Had it been called a catch/fumble... I don't think that would've been overturned either.  Don't see too many people complaining about the call... 

I think the more glaring issue is the 4th and 18 play where our receiver caught the ball on his back a full yard short of the stick.  That wasn't a 1st down and wouldn't given LSU the win.  But tough shit... The call went in our favor and we'll take it.  What LSU fans won't admit is that it would've taken TWO more calls like that in our favor to balance out the beneficial spots LSU got in regulation that went against us.  

Sometimes refs screw a game.  This is the first time in years that I can remember them screwing a game in our favor.  It's about damned time.  
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Gigem on November 26, 2018, 04:17:53 PM
The play with Sternberger that was called incomplete was a bang-bang play... I could see it go either way.  It was called incomplete on the field so I don't think there was enough compelling evidence to overturn it.  Had it been called a catch/fumble... I don't think that would've been overturned either.  Don't see too many people complaining about the call...

I think the more glaring issue is the 4th and 18 play where our receiver caught the ball on his back a full yard short of the stick.  That wasn't a 1st down and wouldn't given LSU the win.  But tough shit... The call went in our favor and we'll take it.  What LSU fans won't admit is that it would've taken TWO more calls like that in our favor to balance out the beneficial spots LSU got in regulation that went against us.  

Sometimes refs screw a game.  This is the first time in years that I can remember them screwing a game in our favor.  It's about damned time.  
If it's the same play I'm thinking of I've seen elsewhere that the yellow line was off by 2 yards which is why it appeared that he did not get the first down when in reality he had it by at least a yard.  
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: BrownCounty on November 26, 2018, 04:21:11 PM

Aggies had some fortuitous moments, but they won the game fair and square.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CousinFreddie on November 27, 2018, 01:16:55 AM
Mostly square
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Entropy on November 27, 2018, 10:21:38 AM
https://twitter.com/scottshanle/status/1066573636683907072

Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 27, 2018, 11:04:42 AM
LSU's record miraculously drops to 12-3 after winning the game 3 times and then finally losing it.  
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 27, 2018, 11:29:24 AM
Aggies had some fortuitous moments, but they won the game fair and square.
If by "fair and square" you mean "with referees looking for ways to benefit one team and screw the other one," then sure.
Bad calls happen.  It's part of the game.  I'm probably the first to remember a blown call that helped LSU win the 2014 A&M game.  Would guarantee you Aggies remember it.  There have been others, although LSU sure does seem to find itself on the wrong end of them more often than not, especially against one certain team.  
If it were just one thing, I wouldn't like it and it would stick in my craw, but I'd understand that stuff happens.
This was 5 calls (two of which I think were ultimately correct even if they weren't treated appropriately by the refs, 3 that may cost me a new TV) where the referees went out of their way either to look for things that hurt LSU, or to choose not to review things that could have helped LSU.  Let's say all the calls were tough ones, but ultimately "correct."  Now a "correct" call essentially means you can justify the call as correct, because it's pretty rare that a close, controversial call is 100% one way or another.  You can normally find rulebook coverage to make a judgment call go either way.  And a "good" call is one that falls within that rulebook coverage.  The LSU complaint is that EVEN IF that is all true, every judgement call went in favor of the Aggies, and that in and of itself shows something that looks an awful lot like bias.  You'd think one of those close judgement calls would go to LSU.  It was the one-sided nature of the ref's "fair perspective" that rankles.
I think the thing that gets me the worst is for 7 games over 8 years, I said nothing to my die-hard Aggie family and friends.  Not one word ever, because I know a lot of them take stuff really seriously, and really hard.  I could barely get my phone turned on Sunday morning before it blew up with the sorest loser texts imaginable.  Ags are now 1-6 against LSU in conference and the fans are acting like we're basically even, despite that one win taking 1) 7 overtimes  2)  3+ ref snafus  3)  1 coaching change  4)  $75 million  5)  LSU down 4 defensive starters.
All that said, I'm not upset with TAMU or its team.  Just the refereeing crew who has now done a number on us twice this seasons, making a strong run at replacing the Penn Wagers crew who seemed to take special delight in sticking it to us.  
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 27, 2018, 12:13:48 PM
i can't hold it against the aTm players or staff, but they still shouldn't feel good about that 'win'... they were gifted, plain and simple.  Atop of the calls discussed, the pseudo 'pass interference' on the 2pt conversion followed by a ref tossing his hat for an additional 'unsportsmanlike conduct' was point blank straight out of a EFFYOU cannon the refs had been firing at LSU since they 'sealed' it in the fourth.  

somebody ought to check that crew's bank accounts.  they were thieves.  
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: BrownCounty on November 27, 2018, 12:19:52 PM
If by "fair and square" you mean "with referees looking for ways to benefit one team and screw the other one," then sure.

You guys are a good choice for A&M's rival.  The above is spoken like a true Aggie, except you're not an Aggie.

Texas A&M was added to the SEC for window dressing.  I can't wait for A&M to actually start winning, because that's when it gets nasty.

Longhorn fans will look like cherubs up next to SEC ilk.  Especially if A&M starts beating them.  I'm all for A&M having success in the SEC - mostly because that wasn't the plan.

Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: utee94 on November 27, 2018, 12:29:50 PM
Heh, T95 is nothing if not vindictive! :)
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Entropy on November 27, 2018, 12:36:54 PM
The play with Sternberger that was called incomplete was a bang-bang play... I could see it go either way.  It was called incomplete on the field so I don't think there was enough compelling evidence to overturn it.  Had it been called a catch/fumble... I don't think that would've been overturned either.  Don't see too many people complaining about the call...

I think the more glaring issue is the 4th and 18 play where our receiver caught the ball on his back a full yard short of the stick.  That wasn't a 1st down and wouldn't given LSU the win.  But tough shit... The call went in our favor and we'll take it.  What LSU fans won't admit is that it would've taken TWO more calls like that in our favor to balance out the beneficial spots LSU got in regulation that went against us.  

Sometimes refs screw a game.  This is the first time in years that I can remember them screwing a game in our favor.  It's about damned time.  
actually... it was a first down.  The TV line marker was wrong.
https://twitter.com/DavidRutz/status/1066882264192176128
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 27, 2018, 01:08:59 PM
You guys are a good choice for A&M's rival.  The above is spoken like a true Aggie, except you're not an Aggie.
I didn't think you were that clueless.  
A&M has wanted LSU to be its new rival, and now it appears we are indeed a school who beats them regularly while they think they're still somehow our equal, and the "rivalry" is all one sided.  I don't know any LSU fans who give A&M much of their attention.  And we regularly underachieve with the talent on hand.  

If anything, we're the new Texas. 
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 27, 2018, 01:12:01 PM
i can't hold it against the aTm players or staff, but they still shouldn't feel good about that 'win'... they were gifted, plain and simple.  Atop of the calls discussed, the pseudo 'pass interference' on the 2pt conversion followed by a ref tossing his hat for an additional 'unsportsmanlike conduct' was point blank straight out of a EFFYOU cannon the refs had been firing at LSU since they 'sealed' it in the fourth.  

somebody ought to check that crew's bank accounts.  they were thieves.  
Field judge Blake Parks had absolutely no vantage point to anything occuring between Greedy Williams and the receiver--and then he clowned himself by throwing an unsportsmanlike flag on a frustrated player after SEVEN GODDAMNED OVERTIMES.
The other calls were more impactful.  That one was the worst.  
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: BrownCounty on November 27, 2018, 01:14:25 PM
A&M has wanted LSU to be its new rival, and now it appears we are indeed a school who beats them regularly while they think they're still somehow our equal, and the "rivalry" is all one sided.

Except they just beat you.

And since academics is why universities exist in the first place, LSU should be thrilled if A&M considers them an "equal".
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Gigem on November 27, 2018, 02:06:47 PM
Oooh I love it. Nothing like a little referee controversy to help stoke up the hate. 

You’re right, it’s not yet a rivalry. We haven’t won enough “lately”. But I have zero doubt that A&M will start winning, and we expect to win Big. Not just the sec. 

It’s funny because I know far more LSU grads than OU or Texas grads by far. Like 10-1. Of course I live in SE Texas near Houston. Been hearing crap from them for 7 years but this year I haven’t said a word. The big OL smile is good enough. 
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 27, 2018, 02:13:04 PM
Except they just beat you.

And since academics is why universities exist in the first place, LSU should be thrilled if A&M considers them an "equal".
You're kind of dim, aren't you?
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: BrownCounty on November 27, 2018, 02:24:42 PM
You're kind of dim, aren't you?

You're calling me names.  Did I win?
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: UT-Erin03 on November 27, 2018, 02:31:39 PM
I feel like A&M doesn't consider anyone "equal", except fellow aggies.  

Hell, they just started treating women as equals there with the first female mascot-handler, it's like they didn't even want any women on the sideline representing at all there for a while...
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: BrownCounty on November 27, 2018, 02:40:40 PM
Hell, they just started treating women as equals there with the first female mascot-handler, it's like they didn't even want any women on the sideline representing at all there for a while...

The Aggie Corp is overflowing with women.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Shiner on November 27, 2018, 02:42:13 PM
For every questionable call that occurred in OT that seemed to benefit A&M... there was an equivalent questionable spot of the ball on a key play in regulation that benefitted LSU.  Tigers can whine all they want.... Lord knows Ed "Cookie Monster" Orgeron is doing his fair share of whining.  But there were plenty of questionable calls that went the Tigers' way... it's just that most don't remember them because they occurred 4 hours earlier in the game...  

And Tiger fans don't have to consider us rivals... they can continue to scoff at A&M..... But only one thing really matters:


S C O R E B O A R D





biatches.  
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: UT-Erin03 on November 27, 2018, 02:46:45 PM
The Aggie Corp is overflowing with women.
MY bad, I guess it was in the 70's they started treating women as equals.
I stand corrected. 
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: BrownCounty on November 27, 2018, 02:48:30 PM
MY bad, I guess it was in the 70's they started treating women as equals.
I stand corrected.

Sorry, I was just commenting, not correcting.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Shiner on November 27, 2018, 02:50:30 PM
The US military, to which the Corps feeds into obviously as a commissioning body... still to this day doesn't treat women as equals.  So I'd say A&M is ahead of the game in many respects.

Just FYI.  Wouldn't want someone's snarky comments to be misplaced.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: BrownCounty on November 27, 2018, 02:57:50 PM
The US military, to which the Corps feeds into obviously as a commissioning body... still to this day doesn't treat women as equals.  So I'd say A&M is ahead of the game in many respects.

If any military branch treated women as equals then there'd be no women in the military.

Your granddaddy's tales of boot camp do not exist anymore.  Why?  Women.

Why aren't there women in the NFL?  The NFL is sexist?
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Shiner on November 27, 2018, 03:00:28 PM
I hear you BC.  Equal treatment is all well and good... right up until equal performance is expected as a result.

But that's dipping a toe into politics.... and I hear that's still frowned upon 'round here.  
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: UT-Erin03 on November 27, 2018, 03:12:07 PM
***takes snark & slides out of conversation**

I guess people are prickly here this week, I was mostly joking but okay....   
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: utee94 on November 27, 2018, 03:26:23 PM
Well, it is Hatemas #2, after all. :)
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: BrownCounty on November 27, 2018, 04:56:40 PM
Well, it is Hatemas #2, after all. :)

For the rest of us.
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Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on December 01, 2018, 03:22:17 PM
I've seen just enough bias in this Big 12 CCG to make me think the Big 12 has crunched the numbers and realized they can get more money if OU goes to the CFP.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on December 01, 2018, 03:26:26 PM
Give the Sooners credit.  They're playing very well.  Their defense looks the best it's look all year.

Too bad the refs are tainting their effort when they may not even need the help.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 01, 2018, 03:43:36 PM
no dog in this fight- the zebras gave OU their first ten first downs... 

no dog in this fight:  God, I pray these clowns aren't officiating in the national championship game... 
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2018, 03:43:41 PM
flag down on the KO return by Lil Jordan
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 01, 2018, 03:44:26 PM
of course there was holding on the return............. of course... 
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on December 01, 2018, 04:08:48 PM
Oh well. What's done is done.  Certainly wasn't the worst officiated game I've ever seen.  Give the Sooners credit.  They played well enough to win without help and Texas did not play well enough to overcome all of the adversity. There will be other games and other days.
Title: Re: Worst Officiating Ever
Post by: BrownCounty on December 01, 2018, 09:29:16 PM
1) We still have a chance to have a 10 win season
2) It appears Herman is solidly doing what he was hired to do
3) Always remember: imitation is the sincerest form of flattery - even when its upside down...
4) The Big 12 sucks
5) I gotta go, I just heard another whistle and something yellow flew past my window