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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MrNubbz on September 26, 2018, 10:20:54 AM
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https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/sports/college/clemson/2018/09/26/clemson-football-kelly-bryant-transfer/1427832002/
Interesting,Clemson just might find themselves in a bit of a conundrum if freshman Trevor Lawrence goes down.Dabo just might have faffed this unless there is other things going on behind the scene
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Get ready for even more transfers with the new 4 game rule, possibly an unintended consequence. Jalen McCleskey, he of 167 career receptions, 6th all time in school history, announced after 4 games he isn't getting enough touches, so he's redshirting and transferring away from Oklahoma State.
I'm all for letting players move like we do coaches, but from a fan standpoint, it will start to deteriorate my interest in the game, as it already has with basketball, when each year is a seemingly new jumble of one and dones and grad transfers.
ESPNU radio was blasting them this morning, saying these aren't sure NFL guys that can deal with these types of red flags, that McCleskey is a borderline NFLer who will probably spend a good deal of time on special teams, and when you are picking names out of a hat as a 5th or 6th round WR pick, who likely isn't going to be a star, who quit on his teammates in the middle of the season because he wasn't getting enough touches? Particularly when he has the 6th most catches in school history? Does that sound like a guy who is going to give 110% to whatever role you give him?
They also touched on something that I've thought has been increasing for a while. Obviously the NFL is the goal, but the journey is pretty damn fun too. That instead of enjoying being the legendary high school senior, or the BMOC in college, everyone views every step as nothing more than a way to reach the next step. Graduating high school early to get into spring drills, jumping school to school to maximize exposure. Living life that way seems like a recipe for regret, considering the vast, vast majority are already playing at the highest level they ever will.
I think the increased camp, football 247 lifestyle probably is a factor here. Their "team" isn't their high school team, playing with the same kids in football, then basketball, then baseball. That's one of many teams they play for. They have their 7 on 7 tournaments, camps all summer long. They play on a bunch of teams, and their college is just another team, as easily discarded as their 7 on 7 squad.
Again, I don't blame them, and don't want to restrict them. Just from a fan standpoint (and that's what finances the whole thing) it does start to wane my interest, when I can't identify guys on other teams. And I do worry about the regrets they have down the road by listening to the wrong people in their ear.
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From a decision standpoint, I find this to be a no-brainer. Lawrence is the guy. Bryant is very ordinary. Of course there's risk, but you're not (should not) going to let threats of transferring dictate playing time decisions.
Sticking with Bryant is risky for Clemson too.
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Bryant would start instantly for nearly every P5 team.
Probably 20 would want to take a look first before starting him, and ten of those would start him as soon as he had the playbook IMHO.
This is the new normal. I don't know how Georgia is going to handle their situation.
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So I think this applies to the guy at OSU, probably less to Bryant.
If he just stays, there's an outside chance Lawrence gets hurt and he's back in the saddle. But there's also a good chance he just rides the pine and helps where he can for a very good team. If that was new for him, maybe he's up for that. But he's a guy who has been a backup for a title team, the No. 3 for a national runner up and led a team to the playoff. Is sticking it out with friends maybe worth never playing a competitive snap again.
By doing this, he'll get to experience another school, another program, and in that, there's probably value. I doubt he's an NFL QB, so that's not really a loss, and if an NFL person were to question him, he could point out he's a kid who did what he had to to ensure he played competitive football again. (There was an interesting article about the racial disparity of walk-ons that touched on this)
There's also a funny angle in this because it's mostly on Clemson that this is happening. Clemson played him a good bit as a third-stringer in 2015. Most third-string freshmen get redshirts, let alone raw passers who can run. But they didn't. I always thought the reasons might be two-fold. 1. They were worried he might leave earlier and thought playing him as a freshman would sate him 2. The were pretty sure they were about to recruit over him and didn't want him gumming up the depth chart. I don't think they figured they'd have the Hunter Johnson-Lawrence angle, but here we are.
Anyway, I like a good redemption story (I.e. Jeff Driskol). I don't mind a "well maybe he shoulda stayed" story (Gunner Keil). Don't mind it at all (and as I write that, UW might end up with this sooner rather than later).
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Bryant would start instantly for nearly every P5 team.
Probably 20 would want to take a look first before starting him, and ten of those would start him as soon as he had the playbook IMHO.
This is the new normal. I don't know how Georgia is going to handle their situation.
I think this is an overstatement. He'd start for more than a few. He's a good QB, but not an outstanding one.
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Harbaugh's people calling Bryant's people?
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I think this is an overstatement. He'd start for more than a few. He's a good QB, but not an outstanding one.
I was going to address this, but you got it right.
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Not many teams have a QB as good as Bryant in my opinion.
Not many teams have a really good QB today. Clemson was supposed to drop back when the earlier guy left for the NFL, but they didn't.
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I think the increased camp, football 247 lifestyle probably is a factor here. Their "team" isn't their high school team, playing with the same kids in football, then basketball, then baseball. That's one of many teams they play for. They have their 7 on 7 tournaments, camps all summer long. They play on a bunch of teams, and their college is just another team, as easily discarded as their 7 on 7 squad.
There's actually a slightly interesting backstory with Bryant here that someone told me.
He's from a small town whose high school closed and then reopened as a super small charter school. He eschewed playing on a 20-man team to go to the school he was zoned for, a slightly bigger school and small-school power.
That team ran the option for years and years, and he was good at it, starting as a freshman. But he wanted to run something where you threw, so he was a late transfer before his junior year, landing with a team that loved to chuck it around. He was great there, went to Clemson as a pretty decent three-star and managed to outlast another three-star in his class, the four-star Elite 11 guy they got the next year, and the No. 30 player in the country (No. 1 QB) they got the year after that.
It's been a weird ride.
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Harbaugh's people calling Bryant's people?
Maybe Chryst's people calling Bryant's people?Hornibrooks a senior,correct?
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They also touched on something that I've thought has been increasing for a while. Obviously the NFL is the goal, but the journey is pretty damn fun too. That instead of enjoying being the legendary high school senior, or the BMOC in college, everyone views every step as nothing more than a way to reach the next step. Graduating high school early to get into spring drills, jumping school to school to maximize exposure. Living life that way seems like a recipe for regret, considering the vast, vast majority are already playing at the highest level they ever will.
That's precisely how I describe the medical and academic career paths. It's a psychological sickness. Not one that shows up in the DSM-IV, but since life never actually plateaus and stops moving forward and the idea here is that a person is so covetous about the prestige of the future they are trying to shape that they can't live in the moment until they reach that stage in their minds that - even if they always succeed - the relief never actually arrives ... well, that's definitely a sickness of some kind.
And it's probably more prevalent than we know. I'm not sure that it has always been this way, but I doubt it. This seems to me like an inevitable consequence of how the era of the modern career has interacted with human nature in terms of materialism and, even more, ego/the hunt for prestige (to be seen by others as important instead of chasing meaning defined within ourselves).
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Maybe Chryst's people calling Bryant's people?Hornibrooks a senior,correct?
He's a Junior, and they have 3 backups plus a very highly rated recruit coming in 2018.
UW won't take a transfer QB any time soon, but I would not be surprised if they lost 1 after this year, to a transfer. It happened this year already, with Kare Lyles leaving the program.
If Bryant could play defensive end, he'd be more than welcome.
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Maybe Chryst's people calling Bryant's people?Hornibrooks a senior,correct?
Looks like Bryant is from South Carolina? Maybe a UNC or Virginia transfer? He would fit Chip Kelly's system ok too.
Harbaugh has Patterson, with another potential year from him on the horizon. And behind him is McCafferey who has shown some legitimacy in the small window we have had to see him.
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If he wants to stay local and have a shot at the NFL (I'm not saying he has a good shot), then his options might be:
UNC
VaTech
Tennessee
Auburn (?)
I presume South Carolina is out as a possibility (?).
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If he wants to stay local and have a shot at the NFL (I'm not saying he has a good shot), then his options might be:
UNC
VaTech
Tennessee
Auburn (?)
I presume South Carolina is out as a possibility (?).
Tech has one guy who I think is pretty established. Not sure about UNC, Tennessee is a mess so maybe.
South Carolina has junior quarterback who probably has NFL aspirations, so if Bryant waited, maybe? Auburn wouldn’t be a bad option at all, though somewhere I read an interesting story speculating that Jalen hurts would be super perfect for that offense
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Bryant is a graduate transfer, so he'd be looking for a team that he could start on immediately - and preferably a good team, I'd think. His choices will be very limited if the latter is true.
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If he wants to start in 2019 for a good team who has an opening within say 250 miles, his options are limited.
Florida needs a QB, but the "good team" part might be premature. UNC and UVA are down and out. UNC did put a good QB into the league recently. I think starting dominates "good team".
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Florida wouldn't even think of taking him - we already retarded our offense an extra year by doing that with Del Rio/that Purdue guy. I'd rather throw our true FR dual-threat kid to the wolves than just have a 1-year non-special place-holder.
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Florida wouldn't even think of taking him - we already retarded our offense an extra year by doing that with Del Rio/that Purdue guy. I'd rather throw our true FR dual-threat kid to the wolves than just have a 1-year non-special place-holder.
When I first read that, I thought it was very odd, but then I realized the freshman is on campus now. If it was a guy next year, it would be a kind of perfect bridge. Are they redshirting Jones? That's pretty much punting this season I suppose.
Bryant would actually be a pretty good Mullen QB. Good runner with a lower passing ceiling he could work around.
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Hurts at Auburn is a terrifying idea. Shhhhh!
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When I first read that, I thought it was very odd, but then I realized the freshman is on campus now. If it was a guy next year, it would be a kind of perfect bridge. Are they redshirting Jones? That's pretty much punting this season I suppose.
Bryant would actually be a pretty good Mullen QB. Good runner with a lower passing ceiling he could work around.
Well Franks is a soph, so it's not like he's some lost cause.
9:8 TD to INT ratio last year is 12:2 so far this year. Improved his QBR by 40 points. He's not good, but he's improving.
I just hate the 1-year stopgap idea unless the guy fills the one weakness of an already elite team.
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Well Franks is a soph, so it's not like he's some lost cause.
9:8 TD to INT ratio last year is 12:2 so far this year. Improved his QBR by 40 points. He's not good, but he's improving.
I just hate the 1-year stopgap idea unless the guy fills the one weakness of an already elite team.
Hmmm, I didn't dig into his passing numbers. Saw they were running QB sweep with him and figured that wasn't good.
I was thinking about the stopgap idea. Initially I was gonna say, the transfers are good in that case and a a bridge to the future (Florida's were a bridge that just kinda dropped off into a swamp). But the more I think about it, get good QBing anyway you can and play the dude who plays the best QB.
I think fans really like the idea of a young guy stepping in and having a long run. There's an implied belief that starting early gets a guy needed reps and accelerates his way up the experience curve. And I'm finding myself less convinced of that, but more importantly less convinced it makes fans happy despite being what they want. Guys who play early often just sot of are what they are. They play a lot, often have ups and downs. Kevin Hogan and JT Barrett are good examples. They were very good freshmen, and spent the next few years with people asking "why weren't they better?"
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If this where we talk about Mike Gundy getting himself a controversy. I think it was dumb as hell (and had a mighty edge of hypocrisy). Am I in the minority?