I think that's correct about McSorley's record at home. But...how many of those were games against teams that finished high in the rankings? Just the one in 2016, right?Just one that finished ranked, period. Just two (adding UM last year) that were ranked as of game time. Only 4 P5 teams that finished with a winning record (adding an 8-5 Iowa and a 9-4 Minnesota)
Just one that finished ranked, period. Just two (adding UM last year) that were ranked as of game time. Only 4 P5 teams that finished with a winning record (adding an 8-5 Iowa and a 9-4 Minnesota)how the hell have they gotten away with such a shit charmin soft home schedule like that? Jesus. Talk about luck.
- Kent State (3-9)
- Temple (10-4)
- Minnesota (9-4)
- Maryland (6-7)
- #2 Ohio State (11-2) (wound up #6)
- Iowa (8-5)
- Michigan State (3-9)
- Akron (7-7)
- Pittsburgh (5-7)
- Georgia State (7-5)
- Indiana (5-7)
- #19 Michigan (8-5) (wound up unranked)
- Rutgers (4-8)
- Nebraska (4-8)
- Appalachian State
- Kent State
how the hell have they gotten away with such a shit charmin soft home schedule like that? Jesus. Talk about luck.Is that luck? That's miserable for fans and, since the East is so tough, seems to imply a deathly road slate. The other half of the question is fair, though. Why haven't more good teams been visiting PSU? I must be missing some random coincidence or something.
Is that luck? That's miserable for fans and, since the East is so tough, seems to imply a deathly road slate. The other half of the question is fair, though. Why haven't more good teams been visiting PSU? I must be missing some random coincidence or something.You hit the nail on the head, my friend.
EDIT: Nevermind. It's super obvious. Two of the east's top programs were down for one game each -- MSU had a 3-9 year in 2016 and Michigan had an 8-5 year in 2017.
You hit the nail on the head, my friend.Right, we are only looking at half the schedule. Basically PSU got MSU/UM at home in the year they were bad, and road in the year they were good. That's just fluke luck. They didn't play Wisconsin during that time, so that's nice, and they didn't schedule particularly well.
Also, to get a fair comparison, you have to have the same list from another B1G team. Is it that unusual to play more patsies at home? Probably not.
OK, I'll start this game thread. The Buckeyes are 3.5 point favorites despite the white out. Penn State's new running back looks like a clone of Barkley. Ohio State's defense will be sure to "test" him. My head says the Buckeyes are gonna shellac the Nitts but my heart....eh, I guess a tie aint possible.Penn State's new running back (Miles Sanders) is really good, but he isn't a clone of Barkley. Sanders doesn't have the breakaway speed, size or pass catching ability that Barkley had. However, Sanders is playing behind a much better offensive line, and behind a tight end that can actually block. He's also more likely to take the 2-3 yard gain, rather than dance around looking for the huge run. Due to these factors, Miles isn't as likely to break a huge run, but he's much more consistent and the team tends to be "on schedule" more often. This allows for much easier 3rd down conversions.
Should be a fun gameI love this game. This & Ohio State V Wisconsin are my two favorite non-Michigan games. Night games at Happy Valley are always entertaining and the atmosphere is second to none. We're going to learn a lot about both teams. The biggest question from my seat is how big of an impact on the defense is the absence of Bosa?
I love this game. This & Ohio State V Wisconsin are my two favorite non-Michigan games. Night games at Happy Valley are always entertaining and the atmosphere is second to none. We're going to learn a lot about both teams. The biggest question from my seat is how big of an impact on the defense is the absence of Bosa?I'm bullish on that DL being just fine without him.
2. The loss of Gesicki is pretty big, but his replacements have proven to be excellent blockers.Gesicki was a real jeckyl-hyde of a TE. Insane ball skills for his size, but when he was actually aligned tight to the end on a run play, he often/usually/always became a sacrificial rag doll for the SDE to tear through with only the faintest obstruction.
I love this game. This & Ohio State V Wisconsin are my two favorite non-Michigan games. Night games at Happy Valley are always entertaining and the atmosphere is second to none. We're going to learn a lot about both teams. The biggest question from my seat is how big of an impact on the defense is the absence of Bosa?Jonathan Cooper replaces him, and certainly won't be as good as Bosa. My read on him so far has been he's solid but unspectacular. Probably be more of a rotation than when Bosa played.
Ohio State 45If OSU holds PSU to 24 anywhere, let alone on the road, then that defense is far better than we've thought to date. I'm not sure the Big Ten's *best* defense will hold PSU to 24 or fewer at HOME.
Penn State 24
If OSU holds PSU to 24 anywhere, let alone on the road, then that defense is far better than we've thought to date. I'm not sure the Big Ten's *best* defense will hold PSU to 24 or fewer at HOME.One thing I've noticed over the years is that a good offense can make an average defense look good. For example, if OSU puts a few 5-7 minute drives together they can keep the PSU offense off the field and easily hold them to 24 points. Also a good pass rush can make a secondary look good. This pretty much describes Wisconsin, btw. :)
Right, we are only looking at half the schedule. Basically PSU got MSU/UM at home in the year they were bad, and road in the year they were good. That's just fluke luck.Just to clarify, it is BAD luck.
| ***BIG TEN GAME OF THE WEEK*** |
| #4 Ohio State Buckeyes (1-0, 4-0) at #9 Penn State Nittany Lions (1-0, 4-0) |
| 7:30 - State College, PA - ABC |
| Kind of early in the year for the Big Ten to be playing what sure looks right now like it's going to be the game of the year. While Iowa-Wisconsin last weekend served as almost a de facto West Division title game, the presence of Michigan, and to a lesser extent Michigan State, makes this feel like an important game, but one where the winner could easily lose two more division games. So that "two game lead over the loser, and nobody else matters" we had last week isn't present. However, in each of the previous two seasons, flipping the result of this game would have flipped the East's representative in Indianapolis to the other. Penn State has looked inconsistent, but their A game looks every bit of their A game from the previous two seasons. But it seems to disappear for stretches, long stretches. They should have lost to Appalachian State, they led Pitt by only 1 late in the half, and only led at all because of Pitt's kicker, and trailed late in the 3rd quarter against Illinois. But as iffy as things looked at times against Pitt and Illinois, when the Nittany Lions turned it on, oh boy did they. Ohio State has been consistent, elite offensively, at time shaky on defense. Seeing how TCU struggled against Texas' defense made me question the Buckeyes on that side of the ball even more. Dwayne Haskins continues to impress, picking up plays in chunk, 10.4 ypa, while still showing ball control beyond his years, with only one pick. While Ohio State's defense has had questions, Penn State's hasn't looked a ton better. They improvement since the opener is noticeable, but even James Franklin isn't sure what to do on that side of the ball. He had a unit at one point early in the Illinois game with only 2 starters on the field. Just rotating through guys trying to find the right combination. The fact that the Nittany Lions pass defense now ranks fourth in the Big Ten per play, and fifth in overall passing defense is fairly impressive considering how far behind they were after letting Appalachian State's Zac Thomas complete 66% of his passes for 270 yards on 7.1 ypa. Considering he's completed 86% of his passes since then, maybe Thomas is just better than we knew. Or maybe Penn State played Pitt in the rain, and Kent State and Illinois teams that feature run first quarterback mentalities. Remember Kent State brought in a former Gus Malzahn quarterback, and Illinois hired RichRod's QB coach. Vegas has no respect for the night white out crowd, installing Penn State as a home underdog for the first time since the last time Ohio State visited. That was the game that jump started Franklin's program at a time it seemed more likely Franklin would be fired by 2018 than have returned the Nittany Lions to the nation's elite. While the story that night was Penn State's defense totally shutting Ohio State down late to allow the comeback, on this night it will be Trace McSorley, reminding everyone why he, now Haskins was the unanimous preseason first team all-conference quarterback. TCU's Shawn Robinson threw for 308 yards on 60% completions. He's never even otherwise thrown for 200 yards. That gives me concerns about how the Buckeyes defense will hold up against better opponents. And while the Ohio State recievers have greatly outperformed expectations, I'm nervous about their abilities in route running when the mentality of "get them the ball and let them make plays" in space, involves doing so in a lot less space than they'll have on Saturday night. Ohio State will have their moments, but I think the White Out can help stem the type of momentum bursts that swung the TCU game in Ohio State's favor. |
| PENN STATE 41, OHIO STATE 31 |
Shelly Meyer doesn't like these Penn State shirts....1. These aren’t sanctioned Penn State shirts.
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reasons like this are why god didn't make me a billionaire. Bc if I was I would so buy 120,000 of those shirts and give them away to Penn State fans at the gate the night of that game.
I'm worried about a blowout and this made me feel better. Thanks. Haha
***BIG TEN GAME OF THE WEEK*** #4 Ohio State Buckeyes (1-0, 4-0) at #9 Penn State Nittany Lions (1-0, 4-0) 7:30 - State College, PA - ABC Kind of early in the year for the Big Ten to be playing what sure looks right now like it's going to be the game of the year. While Iowa-Wisconsin last weekend served as almost a de facto West Division title game, the presence of Michigan, and to a lesser extent Michigan State, makes this feel like an important game, but one where the winner could easily lose two more division games. So that "two game lead over the loser, and nobody else matters" we had last week isn't present. However, in each of the previous two seasons, flipping the result of this game would have flipped the East's representative in Indianapolis to the other. Penn State has looked inconsistent, but their A game looks every bit of their A game from the previous two seasons. But it seems to disappear for stretches, long stretches. They should have lost to Appalachian State, they led Pitt by only 1 late in the half, and only led at all because of Pitt's kicker, and trailed late in the 3rd quarter against Illinois. But as iffy as things looked at times against Pitt and Illinois, when the Nittany Lions turned it on, oh boy did they. Ohio State has been consistent, elite offensively, at time shaky on defense. Seeing how TCU struggled against Texas' defense made me question the Buckeyes on that side of the ball even more. Dwayne Haskins continues to impress, picking up plays in chunk, 10.4 ypa, while still showing ball control beyond his years, with only one pick. While Ohio State's defense has had questions, Penn State's hasn't looked a ton better. They improvement since the opener is noticeable, but even James Franklin isn't sure what to do on that side of the ball. He had a unit at one point early in the Illinois game with only 2 starters on the field. Just rotating through guys trying to find the right combination. The fact that the Nittany Lions pass defense now ranks fourth in the Big Ten per play, and fifth in overall passing defense is fairly impressive considering how far behind they were after letting Appalachian State's Zac Thomas complete 66% of his passes for 270 yards on 7.1 ypa. Considering he's completed 86% of his passes since then, maybe Thomas is just better than we knew. Or maybe Penn State played Pitt in the rain, and Kent State and Illinois teams that feature run first quarterback mentalities. Remember Kent State brought in a former Gus Malzahn quarterback, and Illinois hired RichRod's QB coach. Vegas has no respect for the night white out crowd, installing Penn State as a home underdog for the first time since the last time Ohio State visited. That was the game that jump started Franklin's program at a time it seemed more likely Franklin would be fired by 2018 than have returned the Nittany Lions to the nation's elite. While the story that night was Penn State's defense totally shutting Ohio State down late to allow the comeback, on this night it will be Trace McSorley, reminding everyone why he, now Haskins was the unanimous preseason first team all-conference quarterback. TCU's Shawn Robinson threw for 308 yards on 60% completions. He's never even otherwise thrown for 200 yards. That gives me concerns about how the Buckeyes defense will hold up against better opponents. And while the Ohio State recievers have greatly outperformed expectations, I'm nervous about their abilities in route running when the mentality of "get them the ball and let them make plays" in space, involves doing so in a lot less space than they'll have on Saturday night. Ohio State will have their moments, but I think the White Out can help stem the type of momentum bursts that swung the TCU game in Ohio State's favor. PENN STATE 41, OHIO STATE 31
Shelly Meyer doesn't like these Penn State shirts....Urban Liar is the lowest she's seen? This lady had not paid much attention to what he husband does for work.
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reasons like this are why god didn't make me a billionaire. Bc if I was I would so buy 120,000 of those shirts and give them away to Penn State fans at the gate the night of that game.
reasons like this are why god didn't make me a billionaire. Bc if I was I would so buy 120,000 of those shirts and give them away to Penn State fans at the gate the night of that game.Maybe Brandon Gibbons and Taylor Lewan can help pass them out as long as you keep them away from the co-eds
Yes, the sanctimonious attitude from Michigan fans, while expected, is a little over the top.First: that's inaccurate. He was out for two games - OSU and the bowl game and then his career was over.
They wouldn't even suspend a gawdawful kicker for a game.
Jonathan Cooper replaces him, and certainly won't be as good as Bosa. My read on him so far has been he's solid but unspectacular. Probably be more of a rotation than when Bosa played.I thought Cooper has been solid so far. When you have one of the best players in college football go down, you're going to have some sort of hole. The question is, how big is it?
I thought Cooper has been solid so far. When you have one of the best players in college football go down, you're going to have some sort of hole. The question is, how big is it?This is my take. Cooper is a good player but when you have to replace Nick Bosa there is going to be a dropoff.
A recurring pattern for sure:https://imgur.com/tZ0sbc7.gif (https://imgur.com/tZ0sbc7.gif)
https://mobile.twitter.com/BPredict/status/1046242404137725955
was a bad call imo. In that situation they should've put the ball in McSorley's hands on an RPO. Not on a zone read.What you described on the bottom is not an RPO.
Roll him out give him options on a quick throw, intermediate throw, or take off and run.
I've seen it called an RPO but looks more like a read option run to me. And it might have been there had Chase Young not run a stunt and avoided getting blocked at all.Ehhh, commentators are often oddly bad at flubbing the description of what they're seeing.
Ehhh, commentators are often oddly bad at flubbing the description of what they're seeing.Gotcha - see that now
RPOs, at their base, have part of the offense (usually the box) running a run play, and players outside running a pass play. And the quarterback, based on a pre- or post snap read either hands off behind run blocking, or throws it. In this case, there was a screen pass outside and a zone read run inside.
It was interesting that OSU attacked in that way. Stunts are kind of high risk, high reward there. But the rewards was big in that case.
How does this thread only have 2 pages of comments?FWIW, I stole the concept from a post that @Brutus Buckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=31) made in the SoC thread. In that thread it got lost in all the RPO/not RPO stuff. I thought it was a good point.
top 2 dogs in the conference have an epic battle, and we have 4 pages of RPO not RPO argument over in the SOC thread, but nothing (besides Median'a great post) here.
OSU's offense looked historically bad in that 1st half. I'm still in awe that the good guys pulled it off.
Spencer Hall is always the best:that is the best!!!! :57:
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