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Title: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Temp430 on September 17, 2018, 06:58:40 AM
No early bet line presumably because it is a secret if Martinez will play or not for Nebraska.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) vs. #19 Michigan (2-1)
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 17, 2018, 07:02:28 AM
Temp,
I never knew you were a Cleveland Browns fan but I see that you have the Cleveland Browns kicking team as your picture.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) vs. #19 Michigan (2-1)
Post by: TyphonInc on September 17, 2018, 08:39:48 AM
Temp,
I never knew you were a Cleveland Browns fan but I see that you have the Cleveland Browns kicking team as your picture.
LOL.
I can see this as a trap game for M, and Nebraska wanting to right the ship gets a signature win for Frost. 
But since this isn't a rival game for M*ch*g*n I'm predicting a 34-3 type win for the Bad Guys.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) vs. #19 Michigan (2-1)
Post by: MrNubbz on September 17, 2018, 09:31:01 AM
Temp,
I never knew you were a Cleveland Browns fan but I see that you have the Cleveland Browns kicking team as your picture.
Ain't that the truth,what did he miss 2 xtra points and 2 FG's?Or was it just 1FG.He gets a pass last week because of the steady rain - but inside - not so much.Wasn't this guy highly touted also?Dayum,prolly just needs a good talk from an insightful soul 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) vs. #19 Michigan (2-1)
Post by: Hoss on September 17, 2018, 09:32:22 AM
The only matchup that might favor us is our defensive front vs the Michigan offensive front. 

That might be enough to keep this game from being a complete horsewhipping if we weren't turning the ball over three times a game...but we do. And frankly, I anticipate something along the lines of five turnovers against Michigan as their defense will tear our OL limb-from-limb.

I have this pegged somewhere in the neighborhood of 41-10. If Martinez doesn't play, we might get shut out. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 17, 2018, 12:43:20 PM
I really wish I could disagree with Hoss
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 17, 2018, 12:44:05 PM
Ain't that the truth,what did he miss 2 xtra points and 2 FG's?Or was it just 1FG.He gets a pass last week because of the steady rain - but inside - not so much.Wasn't this guy highly touted also?Dayum,prolly just needs a good talk from an insightful soul
you should have watched the game in Lambeau
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: MarqHusker on September 17, 2018, 01:22:50 PM
Mods where are you?  Shut down this thread.  NFL hijacking from the OP on out. I suppose that may be a welcome distraction than actually talking about this matchup.     I'd like to see a game w/o a turnover, and a reasonable number of penalties.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on September 17, 2018, 01:55:20 PM
Mods where are you?  Shut down this thread.  NFL hijacking from the OP on out. 
Not sure the Browns are a Pro Team however
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 17, 2018, 02:24:44 PM
Nebraska quarterback Adrian Martinez practiced on Monday, but his status for this weekend’s Big Ten opener against Michigan remains in question. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 17, 2018, 02:26:33 PM
Nebraska will hit the road for its first away game as a big underdog. 

VegasInsider released a line for Nebraska’s game with Michigan on Monday, and the Huskers will enter that game as 18-point underdogs. 

Many sports books delayed releasing an opening line for Nebraska and Michigan as questions remained about the health status of Nebraska quarterback Adrian Martinez, as well as Michigan running backs Karan Higdon and Chris Evans. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: SuperMario on September 17, 2018, 02:42:49 PM
Not sure the Browns are a Pro Team however
It's just incredible how they find ways to lose games. I will say, they actually look like solid team this year. The defense is pretty nasty with a healthy Garrett and a young stud Buckeye (college reference to keep the thread active). 
Still not sure what to make of Michigan yet.  A win this weekend may not clarify it either since Nebraska decided to tank the season for first pick in next year's recruiting season. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Entropy on September 17, 2018, 02:51:39 PM
the only prediction I'll make is UNL will have 5 turnovers and more than one costly penalty that kills a drive or sustains Michigan.  It's going to take some time..
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 17, 2018, 10:56:03 PM
On Frost’s impression of Jim Harbaugh
“He’s a good coach obviously and his teams play hard, I know that. They [Michigan] are going to be well-coached, disciplined, and play hard. Listen, we hoped at the beginning of the season to go into this game with a good record, hasn’t turned out that way. This one’s going to be a more challenging game than the two we’ve played so far. This team is considerably better in my opinion, than the two teams we just played and didn’t beat. This is a huge task and we’re going to have to play a perfect game and get a lot better in a week to come out on top in this one, but that’s how the kids are practicing. Looking forward to it.

On Harbaugh’s formula or style of play that carried over from Stanford
“I think it’s just that they play really hard and they know what they’re doing. At Stanford he had success, at Michigan he’s had success, so usually those things follow somebody that holds teams to high standards and makes everybody do the right thing.”
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 18, 2018, 12:55:41 PM
* Running back Devine Ozigbo said freshman quarterback Adrian Martinez looked good while participating in his second straight practice.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 18, 2018, 02:10:22 PM
He seemed day-to-day by the end of last week, so I figured he'd sit versus Troy to be ready for Michigan.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 18, 2018, 02:34:51 PM
I'd say if he is practicing he will be playing.

He did not practice at all last week
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 18, 2018, 03:34:24 PM
Ah, I was wrong then -- knew he wasn't practicing by Tuesday (which is the unofficial cut off point for game time at most schools) but thought he was day to day by Saturday. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 18, 2018, 03:42:39 PM
he was said to be day to day to practice on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, & Thursday

since Thursday is just a walk through, I assume if the kid doesn't practice on Wednesday at the VERY latest he will not be playing unless there's an emergency on Saturday.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 18, 2018, 04:49:32 PM
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Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 18, 2018, 05:56:38 PM
here it is, from the Sporting News (http://www.sportingnews.com/ca/ncaa-football/news/michigan-nebraska-split-championship-charles-woodson-scott-frost/vsbyxm18ybl31cz20pn5xhguj)

(https://images.performgroup.com/di/library/sporting_news/13/2b/charles-woodson-scott-frost-091718-sn-ftr_1eukvbm8zu4d41sqrnfhfl1q2e.jpg?t=-381149803)
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on September 18, 2018, 07:07:52 PM
I think for Michigan the game really depends on three things. Offensive line. Obvious. They need to be way better in pass protection and in a hurry.  Secondly- Harbaugh needs to unleash Patterson and use the pass to set up the run. IF he keeps trying to force a running game that isn't there this game will be closer than it needs to be. And last but not least- the defense. The defense has just been sluggish the first 3 weeks. Was really expecting so much more. They've started all 3 games off looking uninterested and lousy. I want to see them start out with an edge and play an entire game like their hair is on fire. They've played lousy, sloppy football for 3 weeks. They have the talent and ability to play so much better on defense.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on September 18, 2018, 07:22:01 PM
here it is, from the Sporting News (http://www.sportingnews.com/ca/ncaa-football/news/michigan-nebraska-split-championship-charles-woodson-scott-frost/vsbyxm18ybl31cz20pn5xhguj)

(https://images.performgroup.com/di/library/sporting_news/13/2b/charles-woodson-scott-frost-091718-sn-ftr_1eukvbm8zu4d41sqrnfhfl1q2e.jpg?t=-381149803)
pretty dumb what if imo. no way to really know. I'll be a homer an roll with Michigan just based off of that defense and what the starters on those two teams did at the next level in the NFL. That '97 Michigan defense was just filthy. Best in the country by far that year and they had maybe the best college defensive player of the last 25 years. Woodson was unreal. Future NFL Hall of Famer. That offensive line was ridiculous, maybe one of the best in recent CFB history. 4 of their 5 starters were drafted in the first 2 rounds. Tackle Jon Jansen and guard Maurice Williams were drafted in the 2nd round, and guard Steve Hutchinson and tackle Jeff Backus were drafted in the 1st round. All 4 of them had really solid pro careers as everyone of them played in the NFL for at least 10 seasons. Williams played 10 seasons and Backus played 12. Jansen made two All-Pro teams, and Hutchinson made All-Pro 7 times was on the All-Decade team for the 2000s and is a future Hall of Famer. That OL was beastly. Griese wasn't great but he was a solid QB, was drafted in the 3rd round and he played in the NFL for 12 seasons and started around 100 games. Scott Frost never sniffed an NFL field. Michigan also had a really good kicker that year. Jay Feely played in the NFL for 14 seasons, made a lot of big kicks in the NFL.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on September 18, 2018, 07:32:38 PM
I just want to know who the idiot Nebraska player that said this about Charles Woodson was;

“Their best defensive player was a poor-tackling cornerback,” says former Cornhuskers middle linebacker Jay Foreman.

Charles Woodson a poor-tackler? Lol. Woodson is one of the best tackling cornerbacks this game has ever seen. He is a future NFL Hall of Famer. Who is this scrub from Nebraska? How dare this peasant open his mouth to speak the name of one of the all-time greats. Someone should slap this fool.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 18, 2018, 09:53:08 PM
I think for Michigan the game really depends on three things. Offensive line. Obvious. They need to be way better in pass protection and in a hurry.  Secondly- Harbaugh needs to unleash Patterson and use the pass to set up the run. IF he keeps trying to force a running game that isn't there this game will be closer than it needs to be. And last but not least- the defense. The defense has just been sluggish the first 3 weeks. Was really expecting so much more. They've started all 3 games off looking uninterested and lousy. I want to see them start out with an edge and play an entire game like their hair is on fire. They've played lousy, sloppy football for 3 weeks. They have the talent and ability to play so much better on defense.
Patterson's efficiency has been great so far. Boy do I wish we had him last year.
As for the defense, the biggest development is how the DTs are improving. I didn't have high expectations for Kemp or Mone, but they are wildly outpacing those. They can be good enough. I'm thrilled at the idea of Solomon returning though. That'll be huge for this defense.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: MarqHusker on September 18, 2018, 09:53:41 PM
what ifs man.    there are handful of games from the 90s we'd all love to have seen.

MDot just reminded me that Frost actually hung around the NFL for six seasons (mostly as a Safety IIRC).  I have no recollection  (Browns, Packers, Jets I think).   I think he had an INT. I'm guessing he was a scout guy sharpening his pencils for coaching.

I won't defend Foreman's trolling remarks re: Woodson, but he was hardly a slouch of a MLB.   He didn't have the decorated NFL career of his father (Chuck) that's for sure, but I recall he played for some period (Texans/Bills maybe) (I don't watch pro football much at all and watched virtually none in 2000-2003 during law school).

There was plenty of solid talent on the two-way on that team that played for a long time on Sundays.  Defensively Ralph (ok career) and Mike (quite good) Brown, Mike Rucker, Kyle Vandenbosh, Grant Wistrom, Eric Warfield, Jason Peter.   A few other dudes hung around for a cup of coffee or typical 3 yr trips through the league, Carlos Polk, Eric Johnson, Steve Warren and Foreman.

Offensively:  definitely the weakest Sunday crop of their mid 90s run, still not bad, Ahman Green is the Packers all time leading rusher.   Correll Buckhalter RB, somehow lasted forever with the Eagles, I swear that guy had nine lives, he would take an option pitch or toss in college and run forward for nine yards and fall forward. What did the NFL see in him to let him play until 2010 and 3 knee surgeries?  Kris Brown kicked for a decade.  Dominic Raiola seemed to be the Lions Center for a long time, unless I'm misremembering.  Russ Hochstein played some OL, Sheldon Jackson had a cup of coffee.     
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Entropy on September 19, 2018, 09:29:02 AM
I think for Michigan the game really depends on three things. Offensive line. Obvious. They need to be way better in pass protection and in a hurry.  Secondly- Harbaugh needs to unleash Patterson and use the pass to set up the run. IF he keeps trying to force a running game that isn't there this game will be closer than it needs to be. And last but not least- the defense. The defense has just been sluggish the first 3 weeks. Was really expecting so much more. They've started all 3 games off looking uninterested and lousy. I want to see them start out with an edge and play an entire game like their hair is on fire. They've played lousy, sloppy football for 3 weeks. They have the talent and ability to play so much better on defense.
just show up and Michigan wins this one.. UNL is too mistake prone.   And it should be expected.   UNL's gone from an options offense, to WCO, to a spread running game, to pro style to an RPO dominated offense.   Any wonder why this wouldn't lead to confusion and mistakes by players?   It's going to take time... more time than folks in Nebraska wanted to admit. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Entropy on September 19, 2018, 09:31:00 AM
97 UNL beats 97 Michigan by 17... and it's not that close.  


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Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 19, 2018, 09:39:32 AM
Mods where are you?  Shut down this thread.  NFL hijacking from the OP on out. I suppose that may be a welcome distraction than actually talking about this matchup.     I'd like to see a game w/o a turnover, and a reasonable number of penalties.
LoL, sorry about that. I agree with @MrNubbz (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=17) though, Cleveland hasn't had a professional football team in years.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 19, 2018, 09:45:44 AM
Who is this scrub from Nebraska? How dare this peasant open his mouth to speak the name of one of the all-time greats. Someone should slap this fool.
 Jay Foreman is a former American football linebacker in the National Football League with the Buffalo Bills, the Houston Texans, and the New York Giants. He played college football at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln and was drafted in the fifth round of the 1999 NFL Draft. He is the son of Chuck Foreman.
Career history
Buffalo Bills (1999–2001)
Houston Texans (2002–2004)
New York Giants (2005)
San Francisco 49ers (2006)
Career NFL statistics
Tackles:   527
Sacks:   4.5
Fumble recoveries:   5
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 19, 2018, 09:56:17 AM
pretty dumb what if imo. no way to really know. I'll be a homer an roll with Michigan just based off of that defense and what the starters on those two teams did at the next level in the NFL. 
I agree it's pretty dumb, but someone had to do it this week.
the Michigan defense didn't see an o-line or an offense like the Huskers that season
and if the game had been played 5 years later in the NFL the Wolverines would have had a better chance.
As far as college QBs go, Frost was much better than Griese.
The just of the article was about the opportunity missed for the two teams to actually settle it on the field.
I don't remember that the BCS was already a done deal in 97.  I thought this split title was the driving force to move the Big Ten and Pac into the Alliance?
New York Times bestselling author John U. Bacon said. "Everybody knew the deal was coming next year, of course, with the original BCS. I don't think there was any real talk about a matchup between Nebraska and Michigan. It was bar talk, frankly, and it still is. That's what makes it so fascinating 21 years later."
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Hoss on September 19, 2018, 10:04:09 AM
This Nebraska OL will the cure for whatever ails the Michigan defense...it is legitimately terrible. Even in a pro style scheme they would be under-talented, but in this wide-split offense they are barely functional. 

I hope they will clean up the mistakes as we progress through the year, but these toads need to be replaced with quick-twitch athletes. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Hoss on September 19, 2018, 10:08:24 AM
Tennessee had scads of future NFL players too...Huskers stomped the piss outta those dudes.

Both teams had lots of great players, and it was the sport being robbed of this game that finally broke the stranglehold the bowls held over the postseason. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 19, 2018, 11:20:32 AM
This Nebraska OL will the cure for whatever ails the Michigan defense...it is legitimately terrible. Even in a pro style scheme they would be under-talented, but in this wide-split offense they are barely functional.

I hope they will clean up the mistakes as we progress through the year, but these toads need to be replaced with quick-twitch athletes.
Ed Zachery
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 19, 2018, 11:21:10 AM
Fearless Prediction & Line
Michigan 38, Nebraska 16
Line: Michigan -19.5, o/u: 50
ATS Confidence out of 5: 3.5

https://collegefootballnews.com/2018/09/michigan-vs-nebraska-fearless-prediction-game-preview (https://collegefootballnews.com/2018/09/michigan-vs-nebraska-fearless-prediction-game-preview)
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 19, 2018, 01:54:25 PM
Mario Verduzco (https://247sports.com/Coach/Mario-Verduzco-2229) felt like Adrian Martinez (https://247sports.com/Player/Adrian-Martinez-90829) was working at game tempo during Wednesday’s practice. The quarterbacks coach is preparing both Martinez and Andrew Bunch (https://247sports.com/Player/Andrew-Bunch-77556) to be ready on Saturday, but the practice was another step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 19, 2018, 01:59:52 PM
Running backs coach Ryan Held evoked Rocky IV when talking about the challenge ahead of the Huskers in Ann Arbor, where they opened as 18-point underdogs this week. 

“At the end of the day, this is Rocky IV. Nobody thinks we can win this game. National people don’t think we can win this game. We have to be able to rally, come together as a group, go on the road, get on that airplane like Rocky Balboa did and frickin’ beat Ivan Drago. That’s what we have to do. That’s kind of where we’re at and we’re going to keep fighting to get this done.”
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Hoss on September 19, 2018, 02:11:14 PM
Running backs coach Ryan Held evoked Rocky IV when talking about the challenge ahead of the Huskers in Ann Arbor, where they opened as 18-point underdogs this week.

“At the end of the day, this is Rocky IV. Nobody thinks we can win this game. National people don’t think we can win this game. We have to be able to rally, come together as a group, go on the road, get on that airplane like Rocky Balboa did and frickin’ beat Ivan Drago. That’s what we have to do. That’s kind of where we’re at and we’re going to keep fighting to get this done.”
Jesus
Wake me up when its 2019. Better yet, hit snooze until 2020. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 19, 2018, 02:28:23 PM
go back to sleep, Hoss.

It's just a bad dream.  a very bad dream
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 19, 2018, 02:28:39 PM
I'm glad Martinez seems to be gearing up to play. That's alacrity I might end up regretting.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 19, 2018, 02:48:20 PM
One coach. One mind. One vote. 

That was the difference between what happened on Jan. 3, 1998 — a semi-controversial, mostly celebrated split national title — and what could’ve happened:

The biggest voting scandal in college football history. 

https://www.omaha.com/huskers/football/mad-chatter-how-tom-osborne-and-nebraska-barely-eluded-the/article_0a1f2b13-3a64-5c28-adbb-6a04a4fbda83.html (https://www.omaha.com/huskers/football/mad-chatter-how-tom-osborne-and-nebraska-barely-eluded-the/article_0a1f2b13-3a64-5c28-adbb-6a04a4fbda83.html)
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: MarqHusker on September 19, 2018, 03:11:03 PM
While I think everyone expects comments to made along the lines of those referenced above (Ryan Held), why exactly is that content being put in the public domain?   Might as well run Belushi's speech.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 19, 2018, 03:16:11 PM
D-Day (Bruce McGill): "War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one

Bluto: What? Over? Did you say 'over'? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!...

It ain't over now, 'cause when the goin' gets tough, the tough get goin'. Who's with me? Let's go! Come on!...(He ran to the front door but no one followed him)

Bluto (returning): What the f--k happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. 'Ooh, we're afraid to go with you, Bluto, we might get in trouble.' (shouting) Well, just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer...

Otter (Tim Matheson): Dead! Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now, we could fight 'em with conventional weapons. That could take years and cost millions of lives. No, in this case, I think we have to go all out. I think this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.

We're just the guys to do it...LET'S DO IT!
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 19, 2018, 04:34:09 PM
I took Nebraska in stupid upset picks.

I don't actually think the Cornhuskers are going to win in Ann Arbor but:
1) I think Michigan may be a tad overrated. Notre Dame is 3-0 but they have been barely scraping by with close wins over bad teams since their close win over Michigan. That makes Michigan's loss to them look worse, IMHO.
2) I'm hoping Nebraska bounces back.
3) I'm already way behind in stupid upsets so I feel like I need to take some risks in an effort to catch up.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 19, 2018, 04:53:57 PM
Michigan running backs coach Jay Harbaugh met with the media on Wednesday, and he says that he expects both of the Wolverines’ star tailbacks, Karan Higdon and Chris Evans, to play against the Cornhuskers.

“It’s what we expect, yeah,” Harbaugh said. About Evans, he continued: “I don’t know the medical term. It’s like a tweak, strain-ish, type of thing.”
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 19, 2018, 05:25:29 PM
1) I think Michigan may be a tad overrated. Notre Dame is 3-0 but they have been barely scraping by with close wins over bad teams since their close win over Michigan. That makes Michigan's loss to them look worse, IMHO.

I tentatively agree, though I am mostly waiting for their Stanford game before deciding.
Either way, I'd really like to have that game back. The Wimbush from that game is not the one that viewers had ever seen - whether viewing last year or since. And the game was decided by his picture-perfect throws into great coverage. Level of replicability? We'll see.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on September 19, 2018, 05:49:57 PM
Sort of like that iowa from that game wasn't the same one that viewers had seen.Although JT was a contributing factor
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 19, 2018, 06:38:25 PM
Sort of like that iowa from that game wasn't the same one that viewers had seen.Although JT was a contributing factor
*If* Michigan eventually comes together to prove itself as a great team, then yes it is like that. Even then, I suppose ND would have to be middle of the road for it to be a tight comparison. That weird OSU-Iowa game was weirder than weird.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on September 19, 2018, 07:11:28 PM
Patterson looks like the thrower M's been looking for from the little I've seen of him,makes good decisions,puts it in tight spots with some zing,should be the right guy
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on September 19, 2018, 07:20:07 PM
1) I think Michigan may be a tad overrated. Notre Dame is 3-0 but they have been barely scraping by with close wins over bad teams since their close win over Michigan. That makes Michigan's loss to them look worse, IMHO.
Not sure I agree with this line of thinking. Notre Dame may well be overrated and they may have well beaten Michigan, but perspective please. It was the opening game of the season on the road, at night no less. We saw that Ohio State 2014 team. They lost at night at home to a Virginia Tech team that finished 7-6 and that OSU team went on to win a title. Not a good idea to over-react to the first couple weeks of a season one way or the other. Better to let things play out.
Ed Warriner is trying to remake an OL unit that was a disaster in 2017 and Shea Patterson was making his first start in a new offense with new receivers that he's never played in live action with. It takes time for an OL unit to gel and it takes time for a QB to develop that chemistry with receivers. That's all not going to happen game one, on the road at night. Add to that mix ND being fired up and Wimbush making magic on a couple deep throws that he normally never makes- and that's how you have 24-17. Like that 45 yard TD bomb that the little 5'9 white receiver jumped over the 6'2 safety Brad Hawkins in which he snatched away an INT from Hawkins and scored a TD- that stuff just doesn't happen most games- did in that one in that environment.
I will say this. Shea Patterson is by far the best QB that I've seen at Michigan under Harbaugh and he's the best QB they've had in a looooong time. That's not even remotely close. They have receiver talent up the wazoo with DPJ, Gentry, Perry, and Nico Collins, and it'll only improve that much more once Tarik Black is back from injury. Shea looks like the real deal to me. This season will all hinge on Ed Warriner being the real deal. He needs to get that OL unit playing at a functional level by midseason and playing it's best ball by the end of the season. He does that- Michigan will be just fine.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 19, 2018, 08:12:08 PM
Patterson looks like the thrower M's been looking for from the little I've seen of him,makes good decisions,puts it in tight spots with some zing,should be the right guy
I think so, too. His trajectory is on top of expectations so far, which is saying something. And the depth behind him is by far the best of the Harbaugh era (we're finally legit 3-deep and at the drop off in composure/productivity from Patterson to McCaffery is minimal -- albeit in limited snaps and McCaffery's arm isn't as strong, but he is promising in everything else).
It's all about November, though.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on September 19, 2018, 08:22:31 PM
I think so, too. His trajectory is on top of expectations so far, which is saying something. And the depth behind him is by far the best of the Harbaugh era (we're finally legit 3-deep and at the drop off in composure/productivity from Patterson to McCaffery is minimal -- albeit in limited snaps and McCaffery's arm isn't as strong, but he is promising in everything else).
It's all about November, though.
Patterson looks way better than I thought he would. Add to the fact that he's missing the teams top WR in Tarik Black due to injury and the fact that the OL has been a complete mess- it's even more impressive. Give that kid a legit OL and a healthy Tarik Black and open the playbook up and he'd smash every passing record at Michigan with ease.
His accuracy/ball placement and ability to throw accurately on the run is something I have quite frankly never seen at Michigan.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 19, 2018, 08:22:38 PM
It takes time for an OL unit to gel and it takes time for a QB to develop that chemistry with receivers. That's all not going to happen game one, on the road at night.
Injury aside, Shea was one of the bright spots against ND.
Add to that mix ND being fired up and Wimbush making magic on a couple deep throws that he normally never makes- and that's how you have 24-17. Like that 45 yard TD bomb that the little 5'9 white receiver jumped over the 6'2 safety Brad Hawkins in which he snatched away an INT from Hawkins and scored a TD- that stuff just doesn't happen most games- did in that one in that environment.
It was even worse than that. Brad Hawkins had the ball between his two hands, all to himself. But it bounced out when he hit the ground. However, despite *both* DBs' position to suffocate the WR and Hawkins's play on the ball, it bounced out of his hands in juuuuuuuuust the right way to be gently handed to the bread basket of the receiver who otherwise had no chance until then. That's chaos, karma, or ... something else. And if it's something else, then that something is not replicable, that's for sure.
I will say this. Shea Patterson is by far the best QB that I've seen at Michigan under Harbaugh and he's the best QB they've had in a looooong time. That's not even remotely close. They have receiver talent up the wazoo with DPJ, Gentry, Perry, and Nico Collins, and it'll only improve that much more once Tarik Black is back from injury. Shea looks like the real deal to me. This season will all hinge on Ed Warriner being the real deal. He needs to get that OL unit playing at a functional level by midseason and playing it's best ball by the end of the season. He does that- Michigan will be just fine.
Shea is basically a 5-star Tate Forcier ... who actually goes to class.
I didn't come up with that. It's going around a lot. But I agree with it. He's a gamer.
And it definitely all comes down to Warriner and the tackles. I like everything else about the offensive starters. The interior OL has been solid, though Ruiz has had a couple busts in pass pro and I'd like to see the young guy permanently grow out of that in the next few weeks. If he does, he could be better than Molk (next year).
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 19, 2018, 11:18:17 PM
Not sure I agree with this line of thinking. Notre Dame may well be overrated and they may have well beaten Michigan, but perspective please. It was the opening game of the season on the road, at night no less. We saw that Ohio State 2014 team. They lost at night at home to a Virginia Tech team that finished 7-6 and that OSU team went on to win a title. Not a good idea to over-react to the first couple weeks of a season one way or the other. Better to let things play out.
Ed Warriner is trying to remake an OL unit that was a disaster in 2017 and Shea Patterson was making his first start in a new offense with new receivers that he's never played in live action with. It takes time for an OL unit to gel and it takes time for a QB to develop that chemistry with receivers. That's all not going to happen game one, on the road at night. Add to that mix ND being fired up and Wimbush making magic on a couple deep throws that he normally never makes- and that's how you have 24-17. Like that 45 yard TD bomb that the little 5'9 white receiver jumped over the 6'2 safety Brad Hawkins in which he snatched away an INT from Hawkins and scored a TD- that stuff just doesn't happen most games- did in that one in that environment.
I will say this. Shea Patterson is by far the best QB that I've seen at Michigan under Harbaugh and he's the best QB they've had in a looooong time. That's not even remotely close. They have receiver talent up the wazoo with DPJ, Gentry, Perry, and Nico Collins, and it'll only improve that much more once Tarik Black is back from injury. Shea looks like the real deal to me. This season will all hinge on Ed Warriner being the real deal. He needs to get that OL unit playing at a functional level by midseason and playing it's best ball by the end of the season. He does that- Michigan will be just fine.
Anything is possible. That ND/M game might have been a heavyweight bout between two serious playoff contenders. It also might have been a complete fluke in which mediocre ND pulled a miracle and knocked off serious playoff contender Michigan.
I just haven't seen enough out of either team so far to make me believe either of those things. I'll reassess as the season progresses. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 20, 2018, 12:10:37 AM
Palabra.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 20, 2018, 12:14:10 AM
Meanwhile, by no means am I sure it's replicable, but no one here saw that bottom line coming:

https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1042469121353506816/photo/1

Caveats: He always had a real knack for run blocking. M didn't do much in the way of asking him to pass block on slow-developing routes. And his Big Ten competitors were prob crap last week.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on September 20, 2018, 06:41:32 AM
I see an opportunity for the Huskers if Martinez plays with Hudson out for Michigan in the first half.  
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on September 20, 2018, 08:00:06 AM
Patterson looks way better than I thought he would. Add to the fact that he's missing the teams top WR in Tarik Black due to injury 
Goes to show you how wrong ratings/rankings can be.Both DPJ & Collins were 4/5 *s and T.Black was rated a 3  believe coming out.Though TB hasn't seen the field enough to conclusively suggest he's the most talented he has certainly passed the EYE test in the limited time he's gotten snaps
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: B1G41 on September 20, 2018, 08:33:12 AM
Not sure I agree with this line of thinking. Notre Dame may well be overrated and they may have well beaten Michigan, but perspective please. It was the opening game of the season on the road, at night no less. We saw that Ohio State 2014 team. They lost at night at home to a Virginia Tech team that finished 7-6 and that OSU team went on to win a title. Not a good idea to over-react to the first couple weeks of a season one way or the other. Better to let things play out.
Ed Warriner is trying to remake an OL unit that was a disaster in 2017 and Shea Patterson was making his first start in a new offense with new receivers that he's never played in live action with. It takes time for an OL unit to gel and it takes time for a QB to develop that chemistry with receivers. That's all not going to happen game one, on the road at night. Add to that mix ND being fired up and Wimbush making magic on a couple deep throws that he normally never makes- and that's how you have 24-17. Like that 45 yard TD bomb that the little 5'9 white receiver jumped over the 6'2 safety Brad Hawkins in which he snatched away an INT from Hawkins and scored a TD- that stuff just doesn't happen most games- did in that one in that environment.
I will say this. Shea Patterson is by far the best QB that I've seen at Michigan under Harbaugh and he's the best QB they've had in a looooong time. That's not even remotely close. They have receiver talent up the wazoo with DPJ, Gentry, Perry, and Nico Collins, and it'll only improve that much more once Tarik Black is back from injury. Shea looks like the real deal to me. This season will all hinge on Ed Warriner being the real deal. He needs to get that OL unit playing at a functional level by midseason and playing it's best ball by the end of the season. He does that- Michigan will be just fine.
This!!
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 20, 2018, 09:06:31 AM
I see an opportunity for the Huskers if Martinez plays with Hudson out for Michigan in the first half.  
build a huge 14 point lead in the first half and hang on for dear life?
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on September 20, 2018, 10:23:53 AM
1) I think Michigan may be a tad overrated. Notre Dame is 3-0 but they have been barely scraping by with close wins over bad teams since their close win over Michigan. That makes Michigan's loss to them look worse, IMHO.

Time will tell how good ND is.  I though the Irish D was solid. And 14 of Notre Dame’s points were scored in the first 8 minutes of the season.  After that Michigan’s D clamped down and the O with suspect OL outscored the Irish.  So, I’m comfortable with Michigan at 19.  Certainly a huge gap between them and the Buckeyes.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 20, 2018, 10:50:01 AM
Goes to show you how wrong ratings/rankings can be.Both DPJ & Collins were 4/5 *s and T.Black was rated a 3  believe coming out.Though TB hasn't seen the field enough to conclusively suggest he's the most talented he has certainly passed the EYE test in the limited time he's gotten snaps
No doubt about Black. Though that's routinely the case in the northeastern states. There's a large, underrated and untapped quantity/quality of talent there. I love when Michigan pulls 3-stars from that area in particular. I haven't crunched any numbers but those kids are among the nation's best overachievers.
I wouldn't say that the services whiffed on Collins or DPJ, though. They look great. With Shea dealing, DPJ in particular has been blossoming.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on September 20, 2018, 10:53:16 AM
Nebraska Cornhuskers (0-2) at #19 Michigan Wolverines (2-1)
NOON - Ann Arbor, MI - FS1
How many years does Nebraska have to be in the conference before we stop hearing the 1997 what ifs every time they play Michigan?  With Frost coaching his first game in the series, there was going to be a natural uptick this year.  Hopefully absent Brian Griese taking the Michigan job at some point in the future this will be peak for that.  Neither team is where they were in 1997, but obviously Michigan is much closer.  They are in Year 4 of their coaching regime, so their "rebuild" whatever it was, is over.  Nebraska's is just beginning, and is including a massive overhaul of offensive systems.  I picked Troy to upset them last week without Martinez, and that panned out.  Sounds almost certain Martinez will play this week, which as a neutral fan is a good thing.  He's fun to watch, and it's clear that Frost's offense is fully dependent on having a quarterback with his skill set in there.  They've faced a mediocre defense in Colorado (#50 in S&P+ defense) and a bad one in Troy (#96).  Michigan's is #7, and probably after the first drive of the season, is much higher.  The "weak spot" if there is one, is at linebacker, now particularly with Hudson suspended for the first half due to a targeting ejection in the second half against SMU.  You still have a Butkus Award candidate there in Devin Bush Jr., so as I said, relatively.  So while the Huskers don't have the personnel yet, this is the type of attack that could help negate Michigan's strengths at cornerback and pass rush, because their run defense has been merely fine.  Not that anyone is trying to hand out Blackshirts to the group, but the Nebraska defense has been better than the blame they've taken.  The turnover differential isn't helping, averaging 3 turnovers, and -2 per game, both 2nd worst in the Big Ten.  The overall scoring and total defense numbers don't look great, but on a per play basis, they are only allowing 2.7 yards per carry, 3rd best in the Big Ten, and 6.5 yards per pass attempt, squarely in the middle.  To help this offense in transition though they have to create more turnovers, particularly this week.  For Michigan's offense, this is a good litmus test.  They looked bad against Notre Dame.  While the Wimbush we saw that night was probably not the real Wimbush, the Irish defense appears to be every bit of what we saw, still a top 5 unit nationally.  After that they played a pair of defenses ranked outside the top 100.  So judging anything, positive or negative, from those three games seems unfair.  Nebraska's defense is more indicative of the type of defense Michigan is likely to play week in and week out.  Karan Higdon is expected to play Saturday, and that is huge.  The run game struggled without him against SMU.  While Chris Evans is a home run threat, he's clearly not an every down back.  Instead the offense leaned heavily on the passing game, and Donovan Peoples-Jones had his coming out party, with 3 touchdowns.  Banking on 13.2 yards per attempt is generally not a good strategy.  Win or lose, coming out of this game I think we can finally draw some conclusions about this offense.
MICHIGAN 37, NEBRASKA 14

Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 20, 2018, 10:58:06 AM
You still have good vision for Michigan, ELA
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 20, 2018, 11:38:55 AM
he has good vision for Nebraska as well
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Entropy on September 21, 2018, 11:36:25 AM
Some additional thoughts on this game:

If I was Michigan's DC.. I'd have my DL forget about assignments this week and shoot the gaps created by UNL's wide splits.  UNL's OL are big, but slow.  They were recruited for a pass pro system.  They don't move well or pull well... both things Frost wants his team to do.   You'll give up some plays, but you'll also start UNL out at 2nd and 15 and get them off schedule.   You'll win a lot more than you lose.

Also.. while UNL's freshman RB has talent and speed, he carries the ball in his right arm exclusively.  He's worth a fumble every game.   I do believe UNL will have more than 3 turnovers in this game.  My guess would be 4.  

2018 will not find success or failure from a transition standpoint based upon winning or losing this game.  Having to start a walkon QB vs Purdue or NW would be a failure.   JMO, but I wouldn't risk AM knee vs Michigan's DL.   But that's just me..
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Hoss on September 21, 2018, 11:48:38 AM
...and throw at #21. Alot. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Entropy on September 21, 2018, 11:52:33 AM
...and throw at #21. Alot.
yes... the highly regarded DB of Riley's first class who still likes to spin around when a WR changes direction. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on September 21, 2018, 12:37:42 PM
this game scares me a lot for two reasons.

1) Harbaugh is a stubborn sob. He's going to try to force the run when he's got a QB who can really spin it. Which probably means the game will be closer than it has to be. Instead of coming out and letting Shea throw it all over the parking lot and try to score points fast- he'll probably come out and try to run run run, let Shea throw 20 times or less and run 45-50. Stupid. With a captial S.

2) The defense has been lethargic. They just aren't playing with the same kind of edge and the same kind of urgency that we've become used to seeing out of a Don Brown defense.

This game definitely worries me.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Hoss on September 21, 2018, 01:14:18 PM
No reason to be concerned. We have no DBs that can cover your WRs, no WRs that can outrun your DBs, no OL that can block your defensive front, and one LB that can run with Patterson...he'll be suspended for the first half.

Husker fans are pinning their hopes on a Michigan OL that is nowhere near the mess they think it is, and an 18yo freshman QB with one game of collegiate experience. If the roles were reversed, they'd think talk of an upset was laughable. It is. 

The only way NU finishes within 28 points is if UM shuts it down in the 4th and we score a couple garbage-time TDs against soft zone. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 21, 2018, 01:40:18 PM
this game scares me a lot for two reasons.

1) Harbaugh is a stubborn sob. He's going to try to force the run when he's got a QB who can really spin it. Which probably means the game will be closer than it has to be. Instead of coming out and letting Shea throw it all over the parking lot and try to score points fast- he'll probably come out and try to run run run, let Shea throw 20 times or less and run 45-50. Stupid. With a captial S.

I think we'll see that against the hardest games on the schedule. But the season is still young and Shea and the WRs clearly don't need to be broken in (you could argue that the OTs do, but it seems the passing game can work well enough with quick drops to mitigate that and unless we switch from Runyan/JBB to a younger guy or two, I'm not sure they can make the most of that opportunity to grow).
The run game by comparison has a lot more potential than it's shown and will be more important as the season goes on. So I want them to "burn downs" working on that. It's the only way. And in a game like this, that should be a luxury we can afford. No doubt UNL may keep it close or win (I don't expect this but it's possible). However, if that happens, then Michigan's goals for the season are in big trouble no matter the play calling.
2) The defense has been lethargic. They just aren't playing with the same kind of edge and the same kind of urgency that we've become used to seeing out of a Don Brown defense.

This game definitely worries me.
Now that the DTs are getting straightened out (Mone and Kemp are playing far better now as resetters of the LOS [in opponent-invariant ways] ... and that's before the actual starter, Solomon, comes back), my biggest concern for the defense is melting away.
ALL of the remaining concerns are in the defensive backfield, which has downgraded from an A to a B-level.
The trouble safeties are having with slants is frustrating and probably won't go away this year. And it can't really be fixed by putting another corner on the field. Because Don Brown's solution to jet sweeps is to bring a safety down whenever a WR goes into motion. Which means the offense could always just motion away from the third corner. The most realistic solution is more zone. Which is [sigh] fine, but anathema to date for Don Brown at Michigan.
The trouble that Lavert Hill is having is ... mind numbing. He's not obviously injured. And yet he's nowhere near the player he was last year when he and David Long earned the right to be the highest rated returning CB duo this year.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 21, 2018, 01:54:17 PM
Part of a weekly series from mgoblog. I like how the Nebraska defenders have blackshirts instead of up-stars.


(https://mgoblog.com/sites/default/files/2018-09/FFFF%20Nebraska%20Defense%202018.JPG)

(https://mgoblog.com/sites/default/files/2018-09/FFFF%20Nebraska%20Offense%202018.JPG)
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on September 21, 2018, 02:31:21 PM
Husker fans are pinning their hopes on a Michigan OL that is nowhere near the mess they think it is, and an 18yo freshman QB with one game of collegiate experience. If the roles were reversed, they'd think talk of an upset was laughable. It is.
Oh that Michigan OL is a mess. Total mess. The tackles are garbage with a capital G. Neither one of them can pass protect. Neither can the top 2 RB's. Higdon and Evans flat out suck in pass pro.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 21, 2018, 02:41:05 PM
Oh that Michigan OL is a mess. Total mess. The tackles are garbage with a capital G. Neither one of them can pass protect. Neither can the top 2 RB's. Higdon and Evans flat out suck in pass pro.
everything is relative and Michigan's O-line is MUCH better than Nebraska's
if Michigan's O-line is really nearly as bad as the Huskers, then it could be a good defensive battle, if Chinander the D-coordinator calls a great game.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 21, 2018, 02:45:55 PM
No reason to be concerned. We have no DBs that can cover your WRs, no WRs that can outrun your DBs, no OL that can block your defensive front, and one LB that can run with Patterson...he'll be suspended for the first half.
I believe Mo Barry was ejected in the first half of last week's game
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 21, 2018, 07:43:26 PM
A pic from the 1962 Husker's game in Ann Arbor

(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/omaha.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/40/4402ee73-76fe-54f4-af64-7ba1a086126d/5ba405f27141a.image.jpg?crop=1532%2C1149%2C135%2C0&resize=840%2C630&order=crop%2Cresize)
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 21, 2018, 08:23:01 PM
The previews for Michigan tend to be good reads and this one has me more nervous than I was before:

https://mgoblog.com/content/preview-nebraska-2018
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 21, 2018, 08:49:16 PM
Much good reading there

I don't know why you would be more nervous

but, I hope you are nervous at halftime tomorrow
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 21, 2018, 08:54:11 PM
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmvictors.com%2Fimages%2F2009original%2F1911Nebraska.jpg&hash=334756b8ba565d22aef1e631fefe216b)
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 21, 2018, 08:55:35 PM
Much good reading there

I don't know why you would be more nervous

but, I hope you are nervous at halftime tomorrow
No matter how it goes, I'm somewhat more worried about the first half. Don Brown is a 2nd half kind of DC. And being down Khaleke Hudson for the first half (targeting last week) is looking like a bigger deal than I first expected. His replacement is smart and solid with fundamentals but far less talented/quick, and Michigan could really use that on blitzes and getting to the edge. Thank goodness for Devin Bush and the DEs, at least.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 21, 2018, 09:08:58 PM
I'll be happy if it's a game at halftime.

I would also like to see Nebraska clean up the mistakes.  Turnovers and penalties
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 21, 2018, 09:12:33 PM
An upset would really jump start the Scott Frost era. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 21, 2018, 09:16:02 PM
It gave Devaney's era a big boost in 1962
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on September 22, 2018, 06:06:37 AM
I can see Martinez making a couple plays with his feet.  Michigan has always had trouble with QBs like him.  But it will not be enough.  I think Michigan makes a point to “out hit” Nebraska in this one.  Frost’s comment from 2016 has not been forgotten.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 22, 2018, 09:46:13 AM
waiting for the Huskers to hit and play well enough to spark a rivalry with a few Big Ten top dogs

Probably won't be today or this season, but hopefully Frost has that cocky attitude and determination to get there soon
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Hoss on September 22, 2018, 09:47:24 AM
One thing is certain: Frost owns property inside the head of the Michigan collective. 

That will make today an especially good day for Blue. Future days may be especially difficult.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Cincydawg on September 22, 2018, 10:13:22 AM
When might Michigan fans become unhappy with the coaching situation?  Is that in the offing at all?
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 22, 2018, 10:16:26 AM
From Tom Shatel..............

» A friend who began following the Huskers in the Devaney era said something the other day that stuck with me, and I thought I’d share it. He said he didn’t necessarily expect Nebraska to win at Michigan in 1962. But, he said, when they left town, they should have hit Michigan so hard and often that Wolverine players would say, “Who are those guys?” That’s exactly what Nebraska should accomplish this season, across the Big Ten. Call it the Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid season. Yeah, that’s another Devaney era thing.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on September 22, 2018, 10:19:34 AM
When might Michigan fans become unhappy with the coaching situation?  Is that in the offing at all?
If Patterson graduates without even a trip to Indy, things will get louder.  For it to happen this year would require another 4-5ish loss season.  Not to put him on a hot seat, but for the rumblings to be more than just a segmented portion of the vocal online fan base 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 22, 2018, 10:44:19 AM
Shatel's prediction.............

You heard it here last: Bunch gets the start, but Nebraska plays more like the Colorado game up front and gets after Shea Patterson and the Huskers beat ... the spread.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Cincydawg on September 22, 2018, 11:03:40 AM
The Domers looked pretty mundane against Vanderbilt, which is some evidence they are not that good.  

Of course Vandy often plays one game a year over their heads and almost wins.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: SuperMario on September 22, 2018, 11:21:59 AM
If Patterson graduates without even a trip to Indy, things will get louder.  For it to happen this year would require another 4-5ish loss season.  Not to put him on a hot seat, but for the rumblings to be more than just a segmented portion of the vocal online fan base
I can only speak for myself, but my impression of Harbaugh and staff has wavered a bit recently. The big recruiting events, summer camps and overseas trips seemed like a big splash at first, but as the losses against top tier competition pile up, those things seem like a distraction and lack of focus. 
Harbaugh was well known for his academic criticisms of UM when he was out West. He has made comments about not knowing what type of teams he had for 20 years, based on the type of men they’ve become. While I respect the fundamentals of that statement, he’s paid millions of dollars to win football games, not create alter boys.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 22, 2018, 12:06:04 PM
GO BIG RED!!!
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Cincydawg on September 22, 2018, 01:56:29 PM
I just saw the half time score, a bit of a shock to me.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on September 22, 2018, 02:24:56 PM
I just saw the half time score, a bit of a shock to me.
I’m a little surprised. Not shocked though. This Michigan team had not been living up to its potential. Especially that defense. For whatever reason they were just on today. They have the talent to be this dominant week in week out.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 22, 2018, 04:04:12 PM
Yeesh
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: MarqHusker on September 22, 2018, 06:02:52 PM
I think we handicapped this game quite well.   
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-2) at #19 Michigan (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on September 22, 2018, 06:30:10 PM
The Domers looked pretty mundane against Vanderbilt, which is some evidence they are not that good.  

Of course Vandy often plays one game a year over their heads and almost wins.
Notre Dame looked like a different team with Ian Book starting over Wimbush. It's one game and Wake Forrest, so caveats apply, but Book just looks so much better and more natural at the QB position than Wimbush that it ain't even funny.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 22, 2018, 07:37:47 PM
Here's a Harbaugh statline for ya:

Fullback Ben Mason, 6 carries, 6 yards, 3 touchdowns.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 22, 2018, 07:56:01 PM
There are some emerging players I'm really excited about. 

Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: MrNubbz on September 22, 2018, 08:20:32 PM
Here's a Harbaugh statline for ya:

Fullback Ben Mason, 6 carries, 6 yards, 3 touchdowns.
That has to be some kind of efficiency scale record.Wonder if anyone had him CFB Fantasy
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on September 23, 2018, 12:24:53 AM
There are some emerging players I'm really excited about.

  • When Rashan Gary went out, Kwity Paye maintained nearly the same level on run D (and Kwity *may* have a better pass rush, though that isn't the core of Rashan's game). Would have seemed preposterous in the preseason.
  • Carlo Kemp is quietly ascending as a DT the last few games; major luxury with Solomon out and all that Dwumfour hype clearly being *excusively* about him as a pass rusher (he cannot run stuff)
  • Will Hart averaged 60 yards on 3 punts and is at 53/p on the season. This was supposed to be a huge weakness. It isn't
Aidan Hutchinson looked more impressive to me than either Kemp or Paye. Paye looked pretty close. Still not all that impressed with Kemp. He's a much better fit inside though then at DE. At DE he basically sucked. At DT he's a solid player- nothing more. Don't want to overreact to him going from sucking at DE to being a solid player at DT.
Hutchinson though flashed off the screen. He leaps off the screen. That's a future NFL DE. Looks like a Bosa brother to be honest. Paye flashed as well. Really like his power to speed combo. Very explosive DE. He's a future NFL DE as well.
Dwumfour was all hype. Next Mo Hurst my ass. REALLY sick and tired of the Michigan 247 and Rivals sites just being mouth pieces of the Michigan coaching staff. They don't let any real info out- all the staff does is leak hype to those sites and the sycophants eat it up. Dwumfour is average at best.
If I'm Mattison and Brown I am seriously thinking of moving Gary inside next to Mone and then rotating Paye and Hutchinson at DE and then putting one of them in for Winovich when he needs a breather.  That way they get the best 5 DL's out on that field on almost all snaps.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 23, 2018, 01:38:52 AM
"Quietly ascending" = solid player.

Against ND, Michigan learned that Dwumfour was pass rush only, pancake city versus the run, and started Marshall and Mone who were a major downgrade from our preseason expectations of the DTs (Solomon + an imaginary version of Dwumfour we were tricked into thinking was Hurstian).
Against ND, Kemp got almost no time. Since then, he's stolen the starting spot from Marshall and Mone has upped his game. Which means Michigan has gone from C- to B/B+ at DT as the season has progressed. The opponents have been worse, but some of these improvements are opponent-invariant. 
That's enormous.
No, Kemp will never be a star. But he's really damn important right now. Had he not "quietly ascended," Michigan would be in a lot of trouble. And wouldn't be able to keep *anyone* under 100y passing and under 50y rushing.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 23, 2018, 01:44:52 AM
The idea of putting Rashan at DT is an old one, but definitely intriguing. Works a lot better when planned for in the offseason, though.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 23, 2018, 01:45:22 AM
As for Paye/Hutchinson, I'm thrilled about both.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 23, 2018, 02:19:39 AM
A stat cited by Dave Revsine: 6 of Nebraska's plays were explosive, netting 122 yards. The remaining 48 plays? Only 10 yards. And from my recollection, 60-80 of those 122 yards in the first group must have come against Michigan's 3rd, 4th, and 5th stringers.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: MrNubbz on September 23, 2018, 09:25:00 AM
DPJ had to easily run 90 yds on theat 60 yd return
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 23, 2018, 09:55:34 AM
Took a peek at some of the Nebraska boards. Some of the natives are getting a little restless already.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: MrNubbz on September 23, 2018, 10:02:42 AM
Unfortunately for Frost there hasn't been a lot to work with.He had some NFL talent on board at UCF
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 23, 2018, 10:05:37 AM
I dunno. Riley recruited fairly OK (according to the rankings anyway). He biffed on OL and DL though, and that's what is killing UNL right now.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: MrNubbz on September 23, 2018, 10:11:46 AM
The eye test says he was prolly fired for recruiting
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 23, 2018, 10:19:41 AM
The eye test says he was prolly fired for recruiting
He was fired for not being Tom Osbourne*, as was Solich, Billy C (never should have been hired) and BoPeep.

Riley never should have been hired though, but I'm glad he was, since it opened a spot for Jerry Andeson at OrSU, which led to Paul Chryst coming home to Madison.

King Barry orchestrated that whole thing. Heh.

* Even Tom Osbourne wasn't Tom Osbourne until his last five seasons, right?
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: MrNubbz on September 23, 2018, 10:29:38 AM
Perhaps but Dr Tom wouldn't do squat with this roster either.Sort of helped coming aboard following Bob Devaney
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Temp430 on September 23, 2018, 12:08:07 PM
Its going to be a couple years before Nebraska is a competitor.  Frost will get them there, his record at Oregon and UCF tells me so.  Until then Husker fans are gonna be wet cat miserable.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: MrNubbz on September 23, 2018, 12:12:12 PM
Ha!We were talking about wet cats over in the other thread
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Hoss on September 23, 2018, 12:50:37 PM
Frost & Co aren't blameless, but the roster is a shitshow; there are guys on it who have been through 3 HCs and 4 Coordinators. Riley's recruiting was massively overrated, and his roster management was a shitshow...if he still our HC, we'd likely have only 4 WRs and 3 CBs on scholarship right now for example. Negligence.

This is a 4-year rebuild job, at minimum. That said, these guys need to make some fundamental changes to avoid a Little Bighorn-type season that derails recruiting. Widening the scope, a few ACs may need to be traded out as well. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 23, 2018, 01:49:32 PM
I dunno. Riley recruited fairly OK (according to the rankings anyway). He biffed on OL and DL though, and that's what is killing UNL right now.
Riley recruited skill positions impressively but you're right about the trenches. Since I've witnessed both DL and OL hit rock bottom for my team since 2007, I'll say that a DL can realistically get to a championship level in 2-3 years with all the right recruiting and development (thank you Greg Mattison!), but an OL starting from scratch ...
Well I don't know how fast that one can be but I do know that 6+ years isn't unheard of.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 23, 2018, 02:04:57 PM
That was just gross.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 23, 2018, 07:14:04 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/SolidVerbal/status/1043910151609159680
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 23, 2018, 07:16:10 PM
It's actually a pretty unusual/surprising list.
Too early in the season for counting stats, but something to keep an eye on.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: MarqHusker on September 23, 2018, 09:33:00 PM
So my VCR didn't tape the game, so I didn't get to watch it, though doubt I would've hung past 1st half.  I did watch Sam's (OWH) weekly breakdown vids which are always insightful.    That was some buzzsaw.  I may have been generous in predicting 5-7.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 23, 2018, 09:53:40 PM
Please tell me that's a virtual VCR, as in a generic recording of a game, and not a literal VCR you're referring to....
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 23, 2018, 09:56:04 PM
My ole lady said no to a BJ, so I talked her into a soft verbal.

:)
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: MarqHusker on September 23, 2018, 10:05:57 PM
I was joking about taping (using a VCR) the game during the SOC thread, as I had volleyball to coach on Saturday during this game, so I never had a chance to watch it live.   I normally do use a DVR, to go back and watch something a series or some such play(s), but I didn't.  Turns out I don't want to see anything beyond Sam McKewon's video breakdown on Twitter.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 23, 2018, 10:10:11 PM
Okay, whew!
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 23, 2018, 10:31:22 PM
He was never "supposed" to become this good, but Brandon Watson has quietly been (arguably?) Michigan's best corner this year.
Michael Zordich is an excellent DBs coach. And, like Watson, he largely got a whodat? from fans when Harbaugh hired him.
(https://mgoblog.com/sites/default/files/2018-09/_JSC9371.jpg)
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 23, 2018, 10:33:35 PM
Lavert Hill and David Long have the better pro potential. But no one has grown from nothing until now like Watson under Zordich.
And that decleater above is awesome 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on September 23, 2018, 10:49:52 PM
Watson has been a pleasant surprise. He's really stepped his game up from last year. Easily the most improved player on the that entire defense. Part of me would like to see him at safety instead of Tyree Kinnel and then move Brad Hawkins to Josh Metellus' spot. I think they'd improve in coverage at safety in a hurry if they made those moves.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on September 23, 2018, 10:54:30 PM
Michigan "insider" umbig11 posted about injuries over at Mgoblog and 247.

Gary, Paye, and Chuck Filliaga all good to go. Chris Evans is week to week, will be a game time decision but should be good to go next week. Aubrey Solomon will be back late Oct and Tarik Black will be back in Nov.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 23, 2018, 11:02:02 PM
Solomon back by MSU?
Black back by PSU or Rutgers?
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 23, 2018, 11:04:20 PM
I'm just happy Solomon is probably coming back, period. His ceiling is at a whole other level and could cement this defense as 2006/2016ish, though I do worry about the shape he's in after missing so much time.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 23, 2018, 11:07:09 PM
It's very strange to see how little we are missing Black so far. Encouraging. I guess that's all Shea and the 2017 WR hall, which I guess was kinda filthy.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on September 23, 2018, 11:08:03 PM
It's very strange to see how little we are missing Black so far. Encouraging. I guess that's all Shea and the 2017 WR hall, which I guess was kinda filthy.
That 2017 haul was really filthy. DPJ, Nico Collins, Tarik Black, and Oliver Martin? That's an insane WR class.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on September 23, 2018, 11:09:09 PM
I'm just happy Solomon is probably coming back, period. His ceiling is at a whole other level and could cement this defense as 2006/2016ish, though I do worry about the shape he's in after missing so much time.
he was FIVE STARZ for a reason. Freakish talent. His HS tape was incredible and he backed it up at the Army Bowl practices/game. That DL looks a lot better with him in that rotation.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 23, 2018, 11:35:39 PM
I'd like to know where Solomon is right now in terms of participation and conditioning. My guess is he's not doing too much but would love to be wrong 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: MrNubbz on September 24, 2018, 05:53:15 AM
Black might be back in November but how effective or restored full go could he be?Last year with a similar injury he missed the rest of the season.Good luck if he can pull it off just not sure it's worth rolling the dice at that point.Because if he goes down again in the same season that's all she wrote for that kids confidence and prolly career.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 24, 2018, 07:25:59 AM
Black might be back in November but how effective or restored full go could he be?Last year with a similar injury he missed the rest of the season.Good luck if he can pull it off just not sure it's worth rolling the dice at that point.Because if he goes down again in the same season that's all she wrote for that kids confidence and prolly career.
If the severity is the same, then absolutely true. It sounds like it's a similar but less severe injury. Still like the idea of caution unless something extreme happens to the depth chart.
Aside from that though: I bet it's easier for an injured WR to get back to playing weight/conditioning than an injured DT when both are sitting for similar lengths of time.
I'm for real worried about Solomon's ability to come back in peak (or 90% of peak) form.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Entropy on September 24, 2018, 12:16:40 PM
Took a peek at some of the Nebraska boards. Some of the natives are getting a little restless already.
which is why Nebraska is where it is...  poor leadership at the school and AD has let fans run the program instead of sticking to a plan.   Since Solich, UNL has had 4 coaches with 4 very different systems.  There is no plan like Barry has at Wisc.   And it's shown.  
My full expectation is Nebraska radio will be full of blame ideas that fix the problems.  Very little honest reflection will occur... which is UNL is in a bad spot.   It took 20 years to get here and it won't change overnight.   It's time Nebraska fans accept it and look for small steps rather than "if they run harder and puke more, they can beat OSU".   The locals are blinded by the past. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Entropy on September 24, 2018, 12:22:15 PM
I'll go back to what I said last week...  too many systems for these guys.  The OL was recruited for a completely different system and it shows.   I thought 6 wins but I might not have understood how difficult it would be for uNL to run it's new offense.
 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: ELA on September 24, 2018, 12:27:17 PM
Michael Zordich is an excellent DBs coach. And, like Watson, he largely got a whodat? from fans when Harbaugh hired him.

Really?  Didn't he play like 15 years in the NFL?  I certainly remember him
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Hoss on September 24, 2018, 01:12:23 PM
It's time Nebraska fans accept it and look for small steps rather than "if they run harder and puke more, they can beat OSU".   The locals are blinded by the past.
This is going to be difficult for the fanbase to accept...primarily because it does not have a realistic view of where the program really is. That's not a situation that is unique to Nebraska, but maybe its worse here than other places, IDK.  
This game has gotten some folks "woke" though, so that's progress. Others are doubling down on tried-and-true methods of consolation, namely blaming the staff for everything and engaging in sugar-high hyperbole. And, as always, we have the positions held by the various factions flipping...people that were excusing our coaches of fielding a defense with some of the worst stats in the nation three years ago now have zero tolerance for us being on the bottom in STs categories. 
IDK what the solution is. Maybe a year or two at actual rock-bottom will rid us of some fans that are admirably passionate, but whom we are probably better off without. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on September 24, 2018, 02:13:58 PM
there have been a few references by Frost since he was hired to temper expectations, but since before the spring game he has been pumping sunshine and staying very positive.

I think he could have been a bit more realistic and been telling the media and fans this fall that there were going to be some struggles and bad losses along the path.

Oh well, he doesn't need to tell them know............ they've seen it first hand
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Entropy on September 24, 2018, 02:16:56 PM
tough balance between calling something a transition year and keeping the guys motivated,... mostly upper classmen.    I get it.

I was told  that asst coaches in Lincoln were telling fans a realistic win expectation.... a number that was probably too high.   Now that was naïve and silly.   No need to do that.   There is going to be disappointment.  
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on September 24, 2018, 02:17:34 PM
BTW, I was in Minneapolis over the weekend to watch the Vikings play like the Huskers

belated corngrats to Harbaugh and the Michigan fans on a solid performance against the Huskers

hopefully Frost can give you a better game in 2021
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: MrNubbz on September 24, 2018, 02:18:40 PM
Your Vikings knocked me out of my survivor pool - big money too
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on September 24, 2018, 02:20:17 PM
tough balance between calling something a transition year and keeping the guys motivated,... mostly upper classmen.    I get it.

yup, I get it as well.  Especially for recruiting.
Needed the wins vs Akron and CU to keep things positive and build momentum to help when the games such as this Michigan game knocked the wind out of folks, but ya don't always get what you want.
Life is tough
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on September 24, 2018, 02:25:44 PM
Your Vikings knocked me out of my survivor pool - big money too
LSU -20 cost me nearly $200
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 24, 2018, 07:29:29 PM
Weird stat: Adrian Martinez's threw for 22 total yards and his longest pass was for 32 yards
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on September 24, 2018, 07:46:17 PM
subtracting rushing yards from passing yards is weird
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 24, 2018, 08:04:31 PM
subtracting rushing yards from passing yards is weird
I don't think that's the explanation, is it? I just figured his other 6 completions were forward passes for a net -10 yards.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on September 24, 2018, 08:41:05 PM
sorry can't bring myself to rewatch that first half

busy watching the Steeler TE teach Bucs defenders that trying to tackle high is a bad idea
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on September 25, 2018, 02:57:13 PM
subtracting rushing yards from passing yards is weird
No. You know what's weird? Subtracting sacks from rushing yards is weird. Sacks should go against the passing yardage total.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 26, 2018, 07:56:55 PM
No. You know what's weird? Subtracting sacks from rushing yards is weird. Sacks should go against the passing yardage total.
I've always felt that way. It's weird for something that's negative and pass-related to go against the run game instead.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 26, 2018, 08:02:46 PM
No. You know what's weird? Subtracting sacks from rushing yards is weird. Sacks should go against the passing yardage total.
I get it from a logical perspective. The ball wasn't thrown, therefore it wasn't a pass, therefore it was a rush.
But at the same time, I understand that if it's a clear passing play, it was never intended as a rush, so therefore the lost yardage should go towards the passing game.
Which puts you in the difficult position of determining intent. Should every negative yardage play against a QB be a "sack"? I don't think so. A zone read where the QB keeps and loses 3 yards isn't a sack. A play where the QB drops back to throw, starts scrambling and clearly tries to run, but is stopped 3 yards behind the LOS is a sack, but wasn't it eventually an attempted run?
CFB has basically said that for their statistics purposes, any QB tackle where the ball wasn't thrown is a rush. I can't necessarily fault them for that. It's a clear rule, and then the rest of us can interpret the stats however we see fit knowing this.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 26, 2018, 08:52:21 PM
That's right. It's counts toward the ground game because it's a 100% grounded play, not because of the personel or playcall, and asking the stat counters to interpret personel and playcall is somewhat impractical.
On the original topic of Martinez's stat line (Long pass of 32 yards, but total yardage of 22 yards on 7/15 passing), it's crazy that that yardage *isn't* including sacks. 1 pass went for 32. 14 passes went for -10.
He was sacked for 24 yards beyond that for an air/ground contribution of -2.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on September 26, 2018, 10:33:36 PM
ESPN’s Paul Finebaum calls Nebraska the nation’s most disappointing team so far in 2018.

no argument
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on September 27, 2018, 01:06:34 AM
ESPN’s Paul Finebaum calls Nebraska the nation’s most disappointing team so far in 2018.

no argument
that little weasel is nothing but a troll.
Nebraska is going through a new coaching transition with a guy that is trying to not only change a losing culture that Mike Riley had- but he's trying to radically change offensive and defensive systems. He's trying to play a style of football that most of the guys there weren't recruited to play and aren't very good fits for. It was always going to be a bumpy transition. Especially at the very beginning of the season.

USC and FSU are both far more disappointing than Nebraska. Both were pre-season top 25 teams with expectations to compete for their conference titles. USC at #15 and FSU at #19. And both of them suck. A lot.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Hoss on September 27, 2018, 09:01:51 AM
It is an indictment on how bad things are that the post above has made me better about this season than anything I have seen or read coming out of our program.

Thank God for relativity. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on September 28, 2018, 08:08:45 PM
another reason to visit these threads
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 29, 2018, 07:19:45 PM

 he's trying to radically change offensive and defensive systems. He's trying to play a style of football that most of the guys there weren't recruited to play and aren't very good fits for. It was always going to be a bumpy transition. Especially at the very beginning of the season.


So he's Nebraska's RichRod? 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 29, 2018, 08:23:10 PM
So he's Nebraska's RichRod?
**If** RR had been trying to switch Michigan back to Bo, yes.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) at #19 Michigan (1-0, 3-1) Post Game
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 29, 2018, 10:10:45 PM
Back to Bo Pelini would look pretty good about now.