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Title: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 14, 2018, 06:04:45 PM

Link to previous rankings (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?topic=5380.0).

Votes through SFBadger (14 voters):

Team/Poster	AVG	Rank	StdDev	Best	Worst	Range	LW AVG	LW Rank	Chg Avg	Chg Rank
tOSU	1.07	1	0.27	1	2	1	1.21	1	0.14	0
PSU	2.07	2	0.47	1	3	2	2.95	3	0.88	1
UW	4.36	3.5	1.50	2	7	5	1.95	2	(2.41)	-1.5
M	4.36	3.5	1.22	2	7	5	4.68	4	0.33	0.5
Iowa	4.64	5	1.45	3	7	4	5.58	6	0.94	1
MSU	5.14	6	1.41	3	8	5	5.37	5	0.23	-1
IU	6.93	7	1.33	4	9	5	8.79	8	1.86	1
MN	7.86	8	0.66	7	9	2	9.58	9	1.72	1
MD	9.14	9	1.51	6	12	6	6.74	7	(2.41)	-2
NU	10.64	10	1.01	9	12	3	9.89	11	(0.75)	1
UNL	11.07	11	1.07	9	12	3	9.58	10	(1.49)	-1
PU	11.57	12	1.45	9	14	5	12.26	12	0.69	0
ILL	12.21	13	1.31	10	13	3	13.21	14	1.00	1
RU	13.93	14	0.27	13	14	1	13.21	13	(0.72)	-1

Drop the high and low:

Team/Poster	AVG	Rank	StdDev	Best	Worst	Range	LW AVG	LW Rank	Chg Avg	Chg Rank
tOSU	1.00	1	-	1	1	0	1.12	1	0.12	0
PSU	2.08	2	0.29	2	3	1	2.94	3	0.86	1
UW	4.33	3.5	1.23	3	6	3	1.94	2	(2.39)	-1.5
M	4.33	3.5	0.78	3	6	3	4.65	4	0.31	0.5
Iowa	4.58	5	1.31	3	7	4	5.53	6	0.95	1
MSU	5.08	6	1.08	3	6	3	5.35	5	0.27	-1
IU	7.00	7	0.95	5	8	3	8.88	8	1.88	1
MN	7.83	8	0.58	7	9	2	9.59	9	1.75	1
MD	9.17	9	1.03	7	11	4	6.76	7	(2.40)	-2
NU	10.67	10	0.89	9	12	3	9.88	11	(0.78)	1
UNL	11.17	11	0.94	9	12	3	9.65	10	(1.52)	-1
PU	11.58	12	1.16	10	13	3	12.35	12	0.77	0
ILL	12.33	13	1.23	10	13	3	13.29	14	0.96	1
RU	14.00	14	-	14	14	0	13.24	13	(0.76)	-1

Various graphical representations:
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Schedule/performance chart:

Rank

3.5

Rank

Team

tOSU

PSU

Iowa

MSU

UNL

ILL

Team

tOSU

n/a

9/29, H

miss

11/24, A

miss

11/10, H

10/6, A

10/13, A

11/17, H

miss

11/3, A

10/20, H

miss

L by 49, A

tOSU

PSU

9/29, A

n/a

11/10, A

11/3, H

10/27, A

10/13, A

10/20, H

miss

11/24, A

miss

9/21, H

11/17, H

PSU

3.5

miss

11/10, H

n/a

10/13, H

9/22, H

miss

11/24, A

miss

10/27, H

10/6, A

11/17, H

10/20, A

11/3, A

3.5

11/24, H

11/3, A

10/13, A

n/a

miss

10/20, H

11/17, A

miss

10/6, A

9/29, H

9/22, A

miss

11/10, H

3.5

Iowa

miss

10/27, H

9/22, A

miss

n/a

miss

10/13, H

10/6, H

10/20, A

11/10, A

11/23, A

11/3, H

11/17, H

miss

Iowa

MSU

11/10, A

10/13, H

miss

10/20, A

miss

n/a

9/22, H

miss

11/3, H

10/6, A

11/17, H

10/27, A

miss

11/24, A

MSU

10/6, H

10/20, A

miss

11/17, H

10/13, A

9/22, H

n/a

10/26, H

11/10, A

miss

11/24, A

miss

9/29, H

10/13, H

miss

11/24, H

miss

10/6, A

miss

10/26, A

n/a

9/22, H

11/17, A

10/20, H

11/10, A

11/3, H

miss

11/17, A

11/24, H

miss

10/6, H

10/20, H

11/3, A

11/10, H

9/22, A

n/a

miss

10/27, A

10/13, A

miss

10/27, A

9/29, A

11/10, H

10/6, H

miss

11/17, A

miss

n/a

10/13, A

L by 4, H

9/21, H

10/20, H

UNL

11/3, H

miss

10/6, H

9/22, H

11/23, H

11/17, A

miss

10/20, A

miss

10/13, H

n/a

9/29, A

11/10, A

miss

UNL

10/20, A

miss

11/17, A

miss

11/3, A

10/27, H

11/24, H

11/10, H

miss

W by 4, A

9/29, H

n/a

10/13, H

miss

ILL

miss

9/21, A

10/20, H

miss

11/17,A

miss

11/3, A

10/27, H

11/24, H

11/10, H

10/13, A

n/a

10/6, H

ILL

W by 49, H

11/17, A

11/3, H

11/10, A

miss

11/24, H

9/29, A

miss

10/13, H

10/20, A

miss

10/6, A

n/a

Team

tOSU

PSU

Iowa

MSU

UNL

ILL

Team

Rank

3.5

Rank

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: Hawkinole on September 16, 2018, 12:31:53 AM

What a tough week. I'll get it started.

Ohio State (1) (1) (4) Top of the class. Just enough defense. Plenty of offense.
Penn State (3) (8) (5) Blew out a bottom feeder.
Wisconsin (2) (2) (3) How could Wisconsin lose at home to BYU? Wisc. is better than this.
Indiana (4) (4) (11) Undefeated Hoosiers slap in-state rival. Bigger fish invited to the fry next week.
Iowa (5) (5) (6) Defeated UNI. Last week I posted, “But, where is the offense?” Iowa answered. But can they so answer next Saturday?
Michigan State (6) (7) (1) Spent the week practicing for Indiana.
Michigan (7) (9) (2) For a while, it was competitive, when it shouldn’t have been.
Minnesota (8) (11) (9) Defeated a weak Redhawk team. No advancement.
Maryland (9) (10) (14) I am not buying in yet. Texas defeated Tulsa by 1-TD. Maryland struggles with BG until the 4^th Qtr. Maryland thoroughly dominated, by a team that lost to Nova, and to Buffalo.
Northwestern (10) (3) (8) I thought they would defeat my old classmate’s Akron team. They didn’t.
Illinois (14) (14) (12) ~~Still undefeated and saved the reputation of the lower division of the Big Ten with a win over a competitive FBS team~~.Almost defeated a competitive FBS team thusly not saving the reputation of the lower division of the Big Ten.
Nebraska (11) (12) (10) I don’t know how you explain this. Bet Nebraska fans blame Reilly. What do you bet? Look inward my friends, not outward.
Purdue (13) (6) (7) Ouch! Lost again.
Rutgers (12) (13) (13) Last week’s blacktopping was expected. This second layer of hot asphalt was not. Down you go.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 16, 2018, 12:36:51 AM

Quote from: Hawkinole on September 16, 2018, 12:31:53 AM

10. Illinois (14) (14) (12) Still undefeated and saved the reputation of the lower division of the Big Ten with a win over a competitive FBS team..

Illinois lost to SFU.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: Hawkinole on September 16, 2018, 12:39:46 AM

Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on September 16, 2018, 12:36:51 AM

Illinois lost to SFU.

Oops, I missed that; I was so gleeful they were ahead late. I'll reanalyze.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: TyphonInc on September 16, 2018, 02:29:06 AM

Good

1. Penn State (+1) Beating up on punching bags like they are punching bags
2. Ohio State (+1) 2nd Half adjustments
3. Iowa (+1) Best in the state. Best in the West?

Bad

4. Wisconsin (-3) Gaglianone hits that 63 out of 79 times.

5. Michigan (--) beating hapless opponents with regularity
6. Michigan State (--) bye week, no news is good news

8. Minnesota (+1) - 3-0 row row row the boat

9. Indiana (+1) - looked good

7. Maryland (-2) serious yuck

10. Nebraska (--) - entertaining loss
11. Northwestern (--) - zips zipped by in the 2nd half
12. Purdue (--) - not a good start to the year
13. Illinois (--) - 4th quarter implosion
14. Rutgers (--) - Worse L of the lot

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: LittlePig on September 16, 2018, 05:59:30 AM

What a disaster for the Big Ten this week. Its reputation is shot. Losing 7 non-conference games, 5 against non-P5 teams. Has the Big Ten ever had a worse day? At least OSU won.

1. OSU
Didn't look the greatest but got the job done against a tough opponent, not at home and without its head coach.

2. PSU
PSU did what it had to do to survive against App St and has been dominating ever since.

3. Wisc
Going to give Wisc a mulligan but the whole idea that Wisc may be an elite team is gone. If they redeem themselves next week by winning at Iowa, then all will be forgiven. But If they lay another egg 2 weeks in a row, THEN they will drop big time.

4. MSU
Gave MSU a pass last week for its loss in the desert and see no reason to change that.

5. Iowa
Iowa's defense may be great but the offense still needs to prove itself, even though the offense had a good game against FCS UNI. The real test will be next week against Wisc.

6. Mich
Mich's loss to Notre Dame looks worse each week.

7. Indy
Could Indy possibly be one of the better teams in the Big Ten?

8. Minn
3-0 is 3-0 baby!

After #8, I feel like ranking them all at #14, but oh well, I got to pick somebody.

9. Purdue
How can I put an 0-3 team at #9? Well they were 3 close losses. I think they can get it fixed.

10. MD
Well, they did at least beat Tex. Not sure what happened this week.

12. NW
They did beat Purdue, but team seems to be in free fall right now.

12. Neb
Not going to be a quick turn around for Frost and company.

13. ILL
Despite a decent game against USF, still not convinced they can be competitive each week.

14. Rut
What a dumpster fire. Again! I am ready to sign the petition to kick them out of the Big Ten.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: MaximumSam on September 16, 2018, 07:52:32 AM

1. OSU: Not a dominant effort, especially on defense, but they went away from home, faced some adversity, and won a game against a pretty good team. Plus standards are low.

2. Penn State: Looked dominant, finally. Regardless of the competition, they looked like the PU of last year.

3. Michigan: Not exactly a dominant effort, but a win is a win these days.

4. Wisconsin: Yersh. Couldn't ever get going against BYU, and looking mortal enough that Iowa could jump up and get them.

5. Michigan State: Getting things sorted out.

6. Iowa: Is it a top six instead of a top 5?

7. Indiana: Actually kind of good?

8. Minnesota: Competent outfit.

9. Northwestern: I guess?

10. Purdue: Sure

11. Nebraska: Why not

12. Maryland: Right on

13. Illinois: Out of the basement

14. Rutgers: Amazing loss

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: Temp430 on September 16, 2018, 07:53:24 AM

1. Ohio State
2. Wisconsin
3. Penn State
4. Michigan
5. Indiana
6. Michigan State
7. Iowa
8. Minnesota
9. Northwestern
10. Purdue
11. Maryland
12. Nebraska
13. Illinois
14. Rutgers
14. Illinois

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 16, 2018, 08:52:20 AM

This is how each of the 12 B1G teams that played FBS competition did relative to the spread (from the Stupid Upset Picks thread (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?topic=5454.0)):

+18 Penn State: Favored by 35, won by 53
+13.5 Indiana: Favored by 14.5, won by 28
+8.5 Minnesota: Favored by 14.5, won by 23
+4 Illinois: Disfavored by 10, lost by 6
+4 Purdue: Disfavored by 7, lost by 3
-1 Ohio State: Favored by 13, won by 12
-10 Michigan: Favored by 35, won by 25
-16.5 Nebraska: Favored by 11.5, lost by 5
-24 Wisconsin: Favored by 21, lost by 3
-26 Northwestern: Favored by 21, lost by 5
-37 Maryland: Favored by 16, lost by 21
-38 Rutgers: Disfavored by 3, lost by 41

So basically my thinking is that:

Penn State, Indiana, and Minnesota should move up a bit.
Illinois, Purdue, and Ohio State should stay about where they are.
Michigan and Nebraska should move down a bit.
Wisconsin, Northwestern, Maryland, and Rutgers should tumble.

My rankings:

Ohio State: There is an argument for Penn State but nobody really claimed the top spot.
Penn State: No other claimants.
Michigan State: Because no news this week was WAY better than the bad news we got about most teams.
Michigan: It is hard to move them down because nobody behind them looked very good but that ND loss keeps looking worse and worse.
Wisconsin: This is a complete guess because I have no idea how to view their home loss to BYU.
Indiana: The Hoosiers are 3-0!
Iowa: A 24 point win over an FCS team isn't really impressive but they were up 38-0 before calling off the dogs.
Minnesota: Rowing that boat!
Nebraska: I hate the fact that I am moving Nebraska UP for losing at home to Troy but that is how bad the picks are down here.
Maryland: Temple came into that game 0-2 with losses to Villanova and Buffalo.
Northwestern: They really should move down for that mess but they beat PU and still look better than IL and RU.
Purdue: No real change.
Illinois: Rutgers' awful performance doesn't make Illinois good.
Rutgers: Back in the basement after getting blown out by Kansas.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 16, 2018, 10:10:29 AM

1a. Ohio State - Overcame adversity on the road without their coach. The D needs a LOT of work though.

1b. Penn State - About the only team firing on all cylinders yesterday, even if it was against Kent. Monster showdown in two weeks vs OSU.

3. Iowa - Undisputed state champions, and a win over what may well be the best team in the Mac.

4. Michigan - of the one loss teams, they probably have the "best loss" of the bunch to an undefeated ND.

5. Michigan St - While they didn't play yesterday, Arizona State did and lost to a mid major, knocking a little bit of shine off of Sparty's "forgivable loss."

6. Maryland - The Temple game was awful, but they still have a win over a Texas team that just smoked the defending Pac 12 Champs. While the BG game wasn't always pretty, at the end of the day it was a blowout win for the Terps.

7. Wisconsin - BYU has improved quite a bit, emulating Wisconsin by their own admission. Unlike Maryland, the Badgers don't have a marquee win to point to in order to offset their mid major loss.

8. Indiana - Undefeated with a win over Virginia is pretty good, when you compare it to what is going on with the teams ranked beneath them.

9. Minnesota - They haven't played anyone, but being undefeated against mid majors is a lot better than the alternative.

--------
10. Illinois - One epic 4th quarter meltdown away from being undefeated.

11. Nebraska - Thanking the Corn Gods for last weeks lightning storm saving them from having a loss to the Zips.

12. Northwestern - Circling the drain, but they still sit alone atop the B1G West standings.

13. Rutgers - they may be gawdawful, but they aren't winless.

14. Purdue - Not a bad showing against Mizzou, but at the end of the day they are the only winless team in the Big Ten. Neither Northwestern nor Eastern Michigan did them any favors. Those losses only got worse this week.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 16, 2018, 10:34:43 AM

1. Ohio State
2. Penn State
3. Iowa
4. Michigan State
5. Michigan
6. Wisconsin
7. Indiana
8. Maryland
9. Minnesota
10. Northwestern
11. Purdue
12. Nebraska
13. Illinois
14. Rutgers

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: mcwterps1 on September 16, 2018, 11:19:05 AM

Coaching situation should have been settled by now. Findings were to be yesterday.

Now, do the kids already know, but it hasn't been made public? Maybe.

The university, I'm sure, wants to get rid of Durkin due to the threats of the McNair family, but the outside investigation is coming up with no fault of Durkin for this whole thing (the death and "toxic" claim), so they'd have to pay out full to DJ.

The players committed to DJ. Yesterday may be a sign of things to come shortly.

I believe the wheels are off, and the season is lost.

Talent and experience is definitely there, but the leadership is not.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: bayareabadger on September 16, 2018, 03:17:42 PM

1. Ohio State
2. Penn State

3 ... a majestic morass

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: bayareabadger on September 16, 2018, 03:19:17 PM

I read this as a 24-0 win not being impressive after being up 38-0, and could only think "That does sound like Iowa"

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: LittlePig on September 16, 2018, 03:34:41 PM

I didn't notice this earlier but Fresno beat UCLA and Texas beat USC, which makes the Minn and MD victories more impressive.

Despite the debacle in week 3, the Big Ten is still 6-6 against P5 schools, which is respectable.

I don't know what is going on, but the PAC also had a bad week, especially against the MWC.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 16, 2018, 04:17:57 PM

Quote from: LittlePig on September 16, 2018, 03:34:41 PM

I didn't notice this earlier but Fresno beat USC and Texas beat USC, which makes the Minn and MD victories more impressive.

Fresno beat UCLA.
Stanford is the other team that beat USC.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: Benthere2 on September 16, 2018, 05:14:32 PM

1. Ohio State
2. Penn State
3. Iowa
4. Wisconsin
5. Michigan
6. Indiana
7. Minnesota
8. Michigan State
9. Maryland
10. Illinois
11. Northwestern
12. Nebraska
13. Purdue
14. Rutgers

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: Big Beef Tacosupreme on September 16, 2018, 08:05:43 PM

1. Ohio State (Defense could be a problem, but #1 for now)
2. Michigan (making a bunch of small mistakes, but getting better every week)
3. Penn State (making a bunch of small mistakes, but getting better every week)
4. Michigan State (not gonna knock them too much for the long trip to ASU and crazy late start time.)
5. Iowa (just keeps plugging away - has it been three years? Ferentz is due for a big year every three years or so)
6. Wisconsin (BYU is NOT good. What on Earth?)
7. Minnesota (quietly 3-0)
8. Indiana (quietly 3-0)
9. Nebraska (0-2, but one cheap injury away from being 2-0. Lots of improvement from last year, but the lack of depth could send this team into a downward spiral with a couple more injuries. I'm sure I'm the only idjit ranking them in the top 10)
10. Maryland (Temple is NOT good. What on Earth?)
11. Northwestern (Akron is NOT good. What on Earth?)
12. Purdue (THIS close to being 3-0 and ranked higher than Iowa.)
13. Illinois
14. Rutgers (Kansas is NOT good. What on Earth?)

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: mcwterps1 on September 16, 2018, 09:10:06 PM

Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on September 16, 2018, 08:05:43 PM

10. Maryland (Temple is NOT good. What on Earth?)

Not to make excuses because I completely agree with you, but Temple started a new QB and we were missing 3 OL for some reason.
Depth and an inept OC/HC was our downfall it appears.
61 first half total yards?!? Worst I've seen in a long time.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: LetsGoPeay on September 17, 2018, 09:27:20 AM

1. Ohio State
2. Penn State
3. Wisconsin
4. Michigan
5. Iowa
6. Michigan State
7. Indiana
8. Minnesota
9. Maryland
10. Northwestern
11. Nebraska
12. Purdue
13. Illinois
14. Rutgers

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 17, 2018, 09:48:21 AM

Quote from: LittlePig on September 16, 2018, 05:59:30 AM

12. NW
They did beat Purdue, but team seems to be in free fall right now.

12. Neb
Not going to be a quick turn around for Frost and company.

You had two #12's and no #11's so I counted this as #11 for Northwestern and #12 for Nebraska because that was the order in which you listed them.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 17, 2018, 09:48:31 AM

Quote from: Temp430 on September 16, 2018, 07:53:24 AM

13. Illinois
14. Rutgers
14. Illinois

I wasn't sure what to do with this but for now I'm counting it as a vote for Illinois #13 and Rutgers #14.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 17, 2018, 09:52:37 AM

So far:

1.09 tOSU
2.09 PSU
4.27 Wisconsin
4.45 Michigan
4.73 Iowa
5.18 MSU
6.73 Indiana
8.00 Minnesota
9.18 Maryland
10.45 Northwestern
11.00 Nebraska
11.64 Purdue
12.27 Illinois
13.91 Rutgers

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: Big Beef Tacosupreme on September 17, 2018, 09:55:24 AM

Quote from: Temp430 on September 16, 2018, 07:53:24 AM

1. Ohio State
2. Wisconsin
3. Penn State
4. Michigan
5. Indiana
6. Michigan State
7. Iowa
8. Minnesota
9. Northwestern
10. Purdue
11. Maryland
12. Nebraska
13. Illinois
14. Rutgers
14. Illinois

I take it this guy logged his vote before the Wisconsin-BYU game finished...

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: ELA on September 17, 2018, 10:27:51 AM

Last week in parenthesis...

OHIO STATE (1) - only saving grace for the conference this weekend
PENN STATE (3) - going to need much more from the WRs going forward though
IOWA (4) - best defense in the conference?
MICHIGAN (5) - have to get the penalties cleaned up ASAP
WISCONSIN (2) - so much for thinking this was a better Wisconsin team than last year
MICHIGAN STATE (6) - good test in Bloomington this week, they've been a very blah road team for two straight years now
MINNESOTA (8) - maybe I've been selling Fleck short, this team is really overachieving
INDIANA (9) - with a home win against Michigan State this week, they may deserve to be ranked
MARYLAND (7) - 2017 redux?
PURDUE (12) - you know it's a bad week for the conference when you lose a home game and move UP two slots
NEBRASKA (11) - losing to a decent Troy team, while playing a walk on QB, is far more forgivable than blowing a three touchdown home lead to Akron
NORTHWESTERN (10) - don't worry, they'll figure everything out in October, per usual, and make Big Ten contenders look bad
ILLINOIS (14) - were a quarter away from actually entering bowl eligibility discussion
RUTGERS (13) - I apologize for ever even considering that Rutgers isn't the worst team in the conference

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 17, 2018, 10:47:55 AM

Quote from: ELA on September 17, 2018, 10:27:51 AM

INDIANA (9) - with a home win against Michigan State this week, they may deserve to be ranked

Interesting and something I hadn't thought much about. The B1G has five remaining undefeated teams.
Ohio State and Penn State are in the top-10 with a looming showdown in two weeks.
Iowa is first among "others receiving votes" in the AP poll and sixth among that category in the coaches poll and hosting a ranked Wisconsin team this weekend so it is a given that they will not be undefeated and unranked next week.
Minnesota has no votes and travels to Maryland this week. If Maryland had defeated Temple then this would be an undefeated vs undefeated clash with a probable ranking for the winner. As it stands, none of Minnesota's victories are all that impressive and beating Maryland after the Terps already lost to Temple wouldn't help much so the Gophers will have to wait. They will not have to wait long though because after Maryland they get a week off then host Iowa then travel to Ohio State. My supposition is that if they get to 5-0 they'll be at least high among the "ORV" and obviously if they get to 6-0 they'll be ranked.
Indiana has no votes but hosts a ranked MSU team this week. A win there would get them at least into ORV. After MSU they travel to Rutgers then Columbus so they couldn't possibly get to 6-0 without being ranked.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: ELA on September 17, 2018, 11:06:45 AM

The computers like Indiana a lot more than the voters do. Probably because the voters see Indiana on their uniforms, and computers don't.

IMO, the only reason MSU is even favored this weekend is because of the names on the front of the jerseys.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: fezzador on September 17, 2018, 11:20:32 AM

I'm not sure how to even rank them this week. Ohio State and Penn State obviously stand out, and the rest either have some serious flaws, haven't really proven anything yet, or some combination of the two.

1) Ohio State
2) Penn State
3) Wisconsin
4) Michigan
5) Iowa
6) Michigan State
7) Indiana
8) Minnesota
9) Maryland
10) Northwestern
11) Purdue
12) Nebraska
13) Illinois
14) Rutgers

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: SFBadger96 on September 17, 2018, 04:58:03 PM

1) Ohio State: obviously
2) Penn State: 3-0, and now doing what it should to second rate competition.
3) Michigan State: no change (didn't play)
4) Michigan: has a decent argument for #3.
5) Iowa: 3-0, still Iowa
6) Wisconsin: hmm. Just a blip on the radar, or a really bad sign?
7) Minnesota: 3-0.
8) Indiana: 3-0. Looked a lot better against Ball State than ND did.
9) Maryland: loss to Temple should be brutal, but the Texas win looks even better now. Curious.
10) Illinois: Put up a fight?
11) Nebraska: Troy? At Home?
12) Northwestern: only because it beat Purdue. The Zips? At home?
13) Purdue: for putting up a fight.
14) Rutgers: steamrolled by Kansas? Wow.

This was not a good weekend for the BigTen.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: FearlessF on September 17, 2018, 07:36:28 PM

1. Penn State
2. Ohio State
3. Iowa
4. Michigan State
5. Michigan
6. Wisconsin
7. Indiana
8. Minnesota
9. Northwestern
10. Nebraska
11. Purdue
12. Maryland
13. Illinois
14. Rutgers

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 17, 2018, 07:55:52 PM

Results posted, votes through SFBadger (14 voters). And of course someone voted while I was compiling.

The thing that stands out the most to me is that other than the top two (tOSU, PSU) and the bottom two (IL, RU) there is very little agreement. Ohio State, Penn State, Illinois, and Rutgers each have at least 10 out of 14 votes for the spot they ended up in. Only one other team has more than half (MN has 8 of 14 votes for 8th). Next is Michigan with exactly half (7 of 14 votes for 4th) and nobody else has more than 6 of 14 votes for a spot.

That tells me that we really have no idea how to rank the 10 teams in the middle.

I think the fact that Maryland is ranked higher than they were in the pre-season despite getting crushed at home by Temple tells you everything you need to know about the B1G's performance thus far.

There are five games between B1G teams this weekend:

#2 PSU is at #11 Illinois
#3/4 Wisconsin is at #5 Iowa
#3/4 Michigan hosts #11 Nebraska
#6 Michigan State hosts #7 Indiana
#8 Minnesota is at #9 Maryland

That is a pretty solid line-up with three of the games featuring teams that are adjacent in the rankings.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 17, 2018, 08:00:58 PM

Changes based on @FearlessF (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10) 's vote:

Ohio State no longer has a perfect score after dropping the high and low (no big deal)
The UW/M tie for 3rd/4th is broken in favor of Michigan
There is now a tie for 4th/5th between Wisconsin and Iowa

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 17, 2018, 11:39:17 PM

1. OSU (1,1,1)

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2. PSU (3,7,6)
3. Iowa (5,5,5)
4. Michigan (4,4,3)
5. UW (2,2,4)
6. MSU (6,3,2)

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7. Indiana (11,11,11)
8. Maryland (7,6,9)
9. Northwestern (8,8,8)
10. Nebraska (10,10,10)
11. Purdue (9,9,7)
12. Minnesota (12,12,12)
13. Illinois (14,14,14)
14. Rutgers (13,13,13)

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: ELA on September 17, 2018, 11:46:32 PM

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on September 17, 2018, 07:55:52 PM

There are five games between B1G teams this weekend:
#2 PSU is at #11 Illinois
#3/4 Wisconsin is at #5 Iowa
#3/4 Michigan hosts #11 Nebraska
#6 Michigan State hosts #7 Indiana
#8 Minnesota is at #9 Maryland

That is a pretty solid line-up with three of the games featuring teams that are adjacent in the rankings.

MSU is at Indiana

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 18, 2018, 07:16:03 AM

Quote from: ELA on September 17, 2018, 11:46:32 PM

MSU is at Indiana

My mistake. That makes it even more interesting because in each of the cases where adjacent teams play this weekend, the higher ranked team is on the road:

#4 UW @ #5 IA
#6 MSU @ #7 IU
#8 MN @ #9 UMD

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 18, 2018, 07:23:11 AM

Updates for @Anonymous Coward (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1513) 's vote:

Michigan and Iowa are now tied for 3rd/4th
Wisconsin is now alone in 5th

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 18, 2018, 07:41:12 AM

Note on 3rd/4th/5th place:

Three teams are effectively tied for 3rd/4th/5th:

On the initial compilation Wisconsin and Michigan were tied for 3rd/4th with an average ranking of 4.36 with Iowa slightly behind at 4.64.
Then @FearlessF (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10) voted Iowa 3rd, Michigan 5th, and Wisconsin 6th which moved Michigan into 3rd alone with Iowa and Wisconsin tied for 4th/5th.
Then @Anonymous Coward (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1513) voted Iowa 3rd, Michigan 4th, and Wisconsin 5th which moved Iowa and Michigan into a tie for 3rd/4th at 4.36 with Wisconsin slightly behind in 5th with an average of 4.50.

For all practical purposes all three are tied for 3rd/4th/5th and the Spartans are not far behind in 6th with an average ranking of 5.07.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 18, 2018, 11:16:20 AM

I think #2 through #6 are effectively identical. Some think PSU is close to OSU, but I think they've been much closer to the pack.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 18, 2018, 04:49:24 PM

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on September 18, 2018, 11:16:20 AM

I think #2 through #6 are effectively identical. Some think PSU is close to OSU, but I think they've been much closer to the pack.

The group certainly agrees as far as #3 - #6 are concerned. The total gap from #3 (currently M/IA tied at 4.36) to #6 (MSU at 5.07) is only 0.71. The gap between PSU (#2 at 2.00) and #3 is more than three times as large. Also, the gap between #6 and #7 (IU at 7.00) as almost two full spots (1.93).

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 18, 2018, 04:58:26 PM

non-contiguous votes (ie, outliers):

Iowa:
This one is weird. They have seven votes for 3rd, no votes for 4th, then nine votes for 5th/6th/7th.

MSU:
The Spartans have 15 votes for 3rd/4th/5th/6th, then no votes for 7th, then @Benthere2 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=36) voted them #8.

Minnesota:
The Gophers have 15 votes for 7th/8th/9th, then no votes for either 10th or 11th, then @Anonymous Coward (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1513) voted them #12.

Illinois:
The Illini have a total of four votes for 10th/11th then no votes for 12th, then 12 votes for 13th.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 18, 2018, 05:09:30 PM

Given that they are undefeated and began the preseason with a high ranking, we have no choice but to vote PSU second. Their average emerges from that kind of low variance, but that amount of order is not inconsistent with 2-6 being a single, tight cohort. I see it as a single tight cohort with PSU in the nominal lead by default.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 18, 2018, 05:34:40 PM

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on September 18, 2018, 05:09:30 PM

Given that they are undefeated and began the preseason with a high ranking, we have no choice but to vote PSU second. Their average emerges from that kind of low variance, but that amount of order is not inconsistent with 2-6 being a single, tight cohort. I see it as a single tight cohort with PSU in the nominal lead by default.

I mostly agree. It has been an odd year and, obviously, mostly a disaster for the B1G. Ohio State started #1 by a small margin and their defense has looked shaky at times. If another team had stepped up I'd have no problem moving the Buckeyes down but nobody has looked better:

Preseason #2 Wisconsin lost at home to BYU. Even if they had made the late FG then won in OT I still wouldn't be comfortable moving them up because I don't think BYU is very good.
Preseason #3 PSU need OT to beat ApState. ApState may be the best team in the Sun Belt but they are still a Sun Belt team, PSU shouldn't need OT to beat them at home.
Preseason #4 MSU barely beat Utah State then lost to ASU which subsequently lost to SDSU. That isn't good.
Preseason #5 Michigan lost to Notre Dame. That would be more forgivable if I thought ND was any good but frankly I don't. In their other two games the Irish barely survived Vanderbilt and State of Ball.
Preseason #6 Iowa is probably the best performer in the B1G so far but they had a lot more ground to make up than the teams in front of them.
Preseason #7 Northwestern looked fine in their opener but then Purdue tanked and Northwestern has been a train-wreck.
Preseason #8 Purdue is 0-3 including a home loss to EMU so it is not surprising that they have a vote for last.
Preseason #9 Nebraska is 0-2. The Colorado loss might be forgivable (they are 3-0) but losing at home to Troy is just ugly.
Preseason #10 Maryland looked great for two weeks and climbed to #7 but then they got blown out at home by Temple.
Preseason #11 Indiana is 3-0 with a P5 win over UVA and they have climbed to #7 but they have not dominated the way I would expect the best teams in the B1G to dominate against FIU, UVA, and State of Ball.
Preseason #12 Minnesota is 3-0 and has climbed to #8 but, like Indiana, they have not dominated the way I would expect the best teams in the B1G to dominate against NMSU, Fresno, and Miami, Oh.
Preseason #13 Illinois has performed better than would be expected and they are now much closer to #12 than when they started but close wins over State of Kent and an FCS school along with a close loss to USF are not enough to get moved to the upper tiers.
Preseason #14 Rutgers looked good in week one and their loss to tOSU might be forgivable (depends how good tOSU ends up) but getting blown out by Kansas is just ugly.

Everybody has warts.

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: ELA on September 20, 2018, 09:37:10 AM

Massey composite rankings (66 rankings), with last week in parenthesis...

Alabama (1)
OHIO STATE (2)
Georgia (3)
PENN STATE (5)
Oklahoma (4)
Clemson (6)
Oklahoma State (18)
LSU (12)
Mississippi State (10)
Stanford (9)
Auburn (8)
Notre Dame (11)
Washington (17)
Duke (21)
Virginia Tech (14)
IOWA (16)
WISCONSIN (7)
Boise State (13)
Central Florida (19)
MICHIGAN (20)
TCU (15)
Boston College (-)
Miami (25)
West Virginia (-)
Texas A&M (-)

29. Michigan State (23)
33. Minnesota (44)
35. Indiana (55)
59. Northwestern (34)
75. Maryland (50)
79. Purdue (66)
86. Illinois (91)
89. Nebraska (73)
110. Rutgers (89)

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: FearlessF on September 20, 2018, 11:28:28 AM

hopefully, Nebraska will get a bump in a loss this week. Yikes!

Title: Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 3
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 20, 2018, 12:53:36 PM

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on September 18, 2018, 05:34:40 PM

Everybody has warts.

Yes, except maybe OSU. What are their warts? A modestly disappointing defense? Meh. They're rolling.