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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Hawkinole on September 10, 2018, 12:19:58 AM
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Do Nebraska's and Iowa State's Week 1 opponents, Akron, and S. Dakota State, get paid?
I searched and found an article that SDSU will be paid $425,000 as contracted though it only played a little in the 1st Qtr.
Iowa State is searching for an opponent to play in a bye week, or otherwise especially if they need a win to be bowl eligible.
The Omaha World-Herald (https://www.omaha.com/huskers/football/huskers-explore-options-to-add-th-game-to-schedule-after/article_7ef5934b-3385-5e68-9cf9-1d6eb19be399.html) reported the Neb. - Akron game contract called for a void of the deal if the game was cancelled because of "tropical storm, hurricane and flood." Lightning is not mentioned in the contract, according to the World-Herald.
Nebraska offered to play the game Sunday at 10:30 a.m. but Akron was checking out of its hotel and refused, but has offered to play on the Big Ten Championship game date in December.
https://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2018/09/akron_and_nebraska_at_odds_of.html (https://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2018/09/akron_and_nebraska_at_odds_of.html) It is a great legal issue. Akron is looking for another opponent, as well, in case they need one to be bowl eligible but they can't play 2 FCS teams for bowl eligibility unless a waiver is granted.
Life is complicated.
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Force majeure. I've been talking about this with some of my ilk this week. As you well know Hawk, the absence of the word 'Lightning' isn't dispositive as far as answering the question of whether the contract is void. There was a lot of ink spent on this in NE papers (that's what they do in Nebraska, cover every football related matter to death). Some interesting stories came out of it. We'll see hope it plays out, as far as check writing goes.
Apparently, Nebraska had Akron set up at a Dorm, to which it is believed the Akron AD or Bowden said, 'would Nebraska stay at a dorm to play Michigan?' No win situation for anybody. On Saturday afternoon they couldn't have said, hey, let's start this sucker now before the heavy stuff comes down. I know they do this in golf, bump up tee times, but that's a lot more manageable than trying to hedge a night time kickoff. Fricking TV calls the shots.
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UNL AD has said Akron will be paid travel expenses
at least
I would hope the Zips could come to Lincoln on December 1st
Huskers get their "W", Zips get their $1 million
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It would be a dick move not to pay them, when they have already endured all of the travel costs.
Akron played in the Mac Ccg last year, no guarantee that they won't make it back.
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just toll ya
they will be reimbursed for all travel expenses
no one's a dick here, Dude
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Well good on them for doing that.
It still sucks for Akron though, as these body bag games fund their entire athletic dept for the year.
That said, refusing to stay in the dorms so that they could play the game the next day was a bitch move.
Turning down a big pay day because you are too proud to accept free accommodations, however imperfect they may be, is just dumb.
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don't blame the Zips for not staying in a crap place
but, if they want the $$$, as I'm sure they do, they should schedule the game for Dec. 1st
can easily be cancelled if the Zips make their conf champ game
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Should be able to use the Army-Navy weekend for make up dates.
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I think Abel Hall was the dorm being offered. I lived in Schramm for two years, but camped at Abel a couple times. It's a decent place, beats an 'X Inn' by the interstate. Heck the Bears used to stay at the Lake Forest College dorms for Tx camp not that long ago, and they didn't have A/C.
Like I said, not an easy situation for anybody here. First postponement since WWII for Nebraska if I read correctly.
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yeah, they'd have to be some pretty broke ass dorms to be unsuitable for College students.
I think Akron may have dug their own grave here.
I don't think Nebraska should reschedule it. They can't control the weather, and made a reasonable effort under the circumstances to get the game in.
Plus I'd hate to see a situation where a team might decide that they want to throw a game in order to get a gigantic pay day, instead of competing for a Conference Title.
Akron had their chance and they blew it, in my opinion.
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yeah, they'd have to be some pretty broke ass dorms to be unsuitable for College students.
well, UNL students aren't sleeping there
and I stayed at one of those "X" hotels by the Lincoln airport last season
I won't be doing that again
It wasn't horrible, but it's not what those pampered athletes are accustomed too
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I get Akron's side of things, but it is ironic that their team, some/many of whom live in dorms, refused to stay in dorms in Nebraska.
It's just funny.
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I'd bet if they could have contacted Husker fans staying in hotels in the downtown area via cell phone, there would have been 100 rooms vacated that evening
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1. Do fans get refunds if there is no replacement game?
2. There was an article today about Iowa State. They seem desperate to schedule a replacement after the loss to Iowa, and seem resigned to Big Twelve championship game day which would be canceled if the team they schedule, or if Iowa State, makes the championship game. They are looking for an FCS team.
Maybe Iowa State should look west 225 miles; maybe Nebraska should look east 225 miles.
Try scheduling Iowa State - Nebraska at Arrowhead Stadium Dec. 1, or Dec. 8. It would be a complicated negotiation, but could be a fruitful solution.
Both teams are trying to become bowl eligible, but even if this game torpedoes one team from the bowl slate, playing on a Saturday in Kansas City in December would be akin to a bowl for both teams.
3. Nebraska could then pay Akron, a settlement of some kind, and in the future nonconference opponent contracts need to include agreements for game suspensions caused by lightening.
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I'm too lazy to dig it up, but saw some online banter of all of the replacement scenarios for Nebraska or Iowa St. Of course, this was speculative on the part of some fan with too much time on their hands, but the Nebraska v Iowa State idea was my favorite.
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That is a good idea.
Good thinkin'
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That would make 2 Big 8 games for UNL this season.
I like it.
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doesn't the Big 12 use Arrowhead for Big 12 champ games any longer?
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doesn't the Big 12 use Arrowhead for Big 12 champ games any longer?
I thought it was all Arlington now. Could be wrong.
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Jerry prefers it that way
I was just stirring the pot
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Effect of Hurricane Florence could give Nebraska more scheduling options for a 12th game
Central Florida and North Carolina canceled their Saturday game. UCF has a bye date Oct. 27, and the schools are discussing the feasibility of playing the game at a later date this season. North Carolina State — which hosts West Virginia that day — is reportedly considering canceling its game already.
There’s a decent chance UCF-UNC doesn’t ever happen. The question would become: Would Nebraska even think to consider the Knights for an Oct. 27 game? Would UCF consider saying yes? Is it possible UCF would be the favorite in that game?
Another game that could be canceled is East Carolina’s game at Virginia Tech. ECU also has a bye date Oct. 27, and since the Hokies are a nonconference game, the Pirates could easily slide another nonconference game into Oct. 27 without affecting its league slate. ECU is canceling classes starting after noon on Tuesday.
Another option is Marshall, which plays at South Carolina on Saturday. Columbia, South Carolina, is 140 miles or so inland from the Atlantic Ocean, and if weather forecasters are right, the storm will track north and may not considerably affect weather for the Gamecocks-Thundering Herd game. But Marshall also has an Oct. 27 bye date, and South Carolina, being a nonconference opponent, would be easy to replace.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Nebraska finds an opponent from the batch of schools that cancel this weekend.
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UCF?
The defending National Champions
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@Hawkinole (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=25) , I really like the UNL/ISU at Arrowhead on December 1 idea. I know a lot of people on here are not big fans of neutral site games but that would just work for a lot of reasons. There is also a decent possibility that one or both could be playing for bowl eligibility so there would be something on the line, like a CG. It would be fun to have a neutral-site quasi-bowl game effectively for the right to go to a real bowl game.
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I really like it
highly doubt it will happen
both schools searching for cupcakes
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Fearless can correct me if I am wrong, but as a newspaper carrier growing up in the 1960s and 70s I avidly read "The Big Peach," the sports section of the Des Moines Register, and believed from the reporting that Iowa State considered Nebraska its most important Big 8 rival. Iowa State almost never won. But geographically they were close. It was sort of like Iowa almost never beating Minnesota between 1900 and 1979, but Iowans embraced Minnesota as being Iowa's biggest conference rival.
I went to Arrowhead Stadium to watch FSU - ISU in the early 2000s. I was surprised how many people from Iowa State I knew while walking through the parking lots and teaching their kids the Tomahawk Chop. There were a lot of Iowa State people at that game in KC. Iowa State people would absolutely embrace the opportunity to play Nebraska in Kansas City.
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I've attended more Nebraska games outside of Lincoln in Ames than anywhere else. It was an easy (relative) drive for us from WI to see Nebraska every other year. I'm not sure where they viewed their Big8 rivals in order, but no doubt they came out to 'Beat Nebraska'. Those shirts were for sale everywhere on gameday. Just guessing, I think Cy beat Nebraska in 76, 77, 92, 02. 04, 09, with a tie in '72 maybe since 1960. I never did see goalposts come down faster than the '92 game.
I went to Arrowhead for a game Oklahoma State sold to KC in '98. 4th quarter PR TD by Joe Walker and a goaline stand by Mike Rucker to end the game for the Huskers. That was a lot of fun, I drank a lot of beer. There were signs though that Solich's offense wasn't going to get very far that season.
I'd vote Nebraska v ISU at Arrowhead over every other scenario possible. Of course I won't show up for it. That XII CCG with OU v N was a frozen game. I seem to recall KSU/OU being really cold too.
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I'd vote Nebraska v ISU at Arrowhead over every other scenario possible. Of course I won't show up for it. That XII CCG with OU v N was a frozen game. I seem to recall KSU/OU being really cold too.
Sometimes in the dead of winter they are playing golf in KC. It's just far enough south they catch some warmer weather, and far enough north they experience winter, too.
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Anything goes as far as weather in that section of the country. 0 to 80 isn't a surprise for an early December kick.
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Nebraska-W Virginia
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I've been to almost all of the Husker's games in Ames since 86. Wasn't at the 92 game. (shudder) A couple of those Solich losses were rough. Easier to get tickets in Ames.... sometimes sat on the grass knolls. Great fans and great atmosphere there.
Was in Arrowhead for the Okie St. game. Close call.
The Big 12 champ game in Arrowhead vs the Sooners was one of the coldest college games I've attended. Standing in snow... feet were blocks of ice.
Obviously Clone fans love Kansas City. The Big 8 and Big 12 basketball tournaments in Kansas City deemed "Hilton South" for decades.
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So you were at the blizzard game in 1988? You could barely see the players in the road whites from the upper deck
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yup, Doc Tom wouldn't let Taylor throw in those conditions so he ran like the wind
Gdowski even got a few snaps
wasn't warm, but that Champ game in Arrowhead was much colder
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ISU scheduled Incarnate Word for December 1
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ISU scheduled Incarnate Word for December 1
So they are throwing in the towel on the XII CCG already? Or is there a clause that let's them play in it and not against IW?
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Iowa state is ducking Nebraska!! I'm waiting for that story to be written.
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So they are throwing in the towel on the XII CCG already? Or is there a clause that let's them play in it and not against IW?
This
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rumor that Iowa state wanted to play Drake College in Des Moines, but the Big 12 or NCAA would grant the waiver
looking for pastries
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rumor that Iowa state wanted to play Drake College in Des Moines, but the Big 12 or NCAA would grant the waiver
looking for pastries
Pretty sure it's Drake University now. And why on God's green earth would ISU want to play in Des Moines? Hilton Coliseum's capacity is about the same as Drake's stadium.
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sorry, I should know it's a university
and yes, it would obviously be a home game in Ames.
my misconstrued attempt to let others outside the state know the whereabouts of Drake University in the FCS
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*** Frost also said his strong preference is to play a makeup game on Oct. 27 rather than Dec. 1.
"I don't want to schedule a game for December because I think we're going to have a chance to be in the (Big Ten) championship game," Frost said. "Scheduling a game in December, I don't want our kids thinking that we're not going to be in the championship game. We need to be in the championship game."
Many people have pointed out that Central Florida shares an open date with NU. Frost was at least open to the idea of playing his former team.
"We'll play whoever they get us to play," Frost said. "I know UCF doesn't have a true bye week (they play Thursday the following week). The hardest part for me is if anybody on either team got hurt or anything bad happened to any kid on either team, I'd be broken-hearted. I still love those kids that are playing down there at UCF so much. I'm rooting for them.
"It would be a great game. I think it would be an evenly matched game of two really good teams, but personally, I'd cringe a little when our defensive end hit their quarterback, and that's not how you want to go into a game."
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The 3rd best track meet in the United States each year is held in Des Moines (Drake Relays). (1st is US Nationals, 2nd is Penn Relays)
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rumor that Iowa state wanted to play Drake College in Des Moines, but the Big 12 or NCAA would grant the waiver
looking for pastries
Yes, and no. They wanted to play Drake in Ames. They sought a waiver to play Drake which is a non-scholarship FCS football program. A few years ago Drake was very good in their non-scholarship conference. They even have a team in San Diego -- its a national schedule. UNI scheduled Drake when it was good a few years ago, and it was utter destruction. UNI thoroughly destroyed Drake.
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Arizona lost to BYU AND had to pay them $600,000. YIKES!
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Yes, and no. They wanted to play Drake in Ames. They sought a waiver to play Drake which is a non-scholarship FCS football program. A few years ago Drake was very good in their non-scholarship conference. They even have a team in San Diego -- its a national schedule. UNI scheduled Drake when it was good a few years ago, and it was utter destruction. UNI thoroughly destroyed Drake.
so, yes & yes?
no waiver and Drake is a pastry
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I didn't think you could schedule the non-scholarship FCS teams.
That conference (Pioneer) is basically a loophole where D1 schools can park their D3 caliber Football teams, so that they don't have to choose between dropping football or moving down to a lower level in other sports.
The Dayton Flyers are in that conference.
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I didn't think you could schedule the non-scholarship FCS teams.
FBS teams cannot schedule non-scholarship FCS teams. That is why Iowa State sought a waiver of the rule because of the lightening storm so they could schedule Drake. NCAA refused the requested waiver.
FCS scholarship teams can schedule FCS non-scholarship teams. So UNI has scheduled Drake, or could schedule Princeton (but they don't).
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Bethune-Cookman will be the Huskers’ Oct. 27th opponent to make up for the canceled opener against Akron.
It will be Nebraska’s first game against an FCS school since 2014.
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CLEVELAND, Ohio - It's official. Akron's makeup game with Nebraska will not happen. The Cornhuskers announced Thursday they have replaced Akron Zips with an Oct. 27 game against Bethune-Cookman, an FCS team.
That leaves Akron scrambling to find a replacement game, most likely to be played in December.
The Zips' season opener Sept. 1 at Nebraska was postponed due to lightning following several delays just after the game began. When no arrangements could be made satisfactorily to play the following day, the Zips returned to Akron, but without a check.
"We showed up, we kicked off, we played,'' Akron AD Larry Williams said Thursday night.
Akron athletics director Larry Williams shared a different opinion Thursday with the Cleveland Plain Dealer after the Zips were left looking for a makeup.
"They didn't want to compete at our level,'' Williams told the paper.
Since then, Nebraska has shied away from paying Akron the $1.17-million due from the contract.
"That's all in the hands of the lawyers now,'' Williams said.
Nebraska will pay Bethune-Cookman $800,000. Nebraska AD Bill Moos told the Omaha World-Herald he is willing to cover Akron's expenses for making the trip to Lincoln. "We have to find a number," Moos said.
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Bowden should have slept in the crappy dorm if he wanted his money
he was chicken
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I agree,and already stated as much.
Just a little leg pulling.
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Bethune-Cookman will be the Huskers’ Oct. 27th opponent to make up for the canceled opener against Akron.
It will be Nebraska’s first game against an FCS school since 2014.
The early line has Nebraska vs Bethune-Cookman as pick
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Here are some of the ways Bethune-Cookman wins, regardless of the outcome of the game. On that point, keep in mind the Wildcats (4-4) have more victories than Nebraska (1-6) this year:
* Nebraska is paying the Daytona Beach school a guaranteed $800,000 to fill a void in the Cornhuskers’ home schedule after the home opener with Akron was washed out by severe storms and lightning.
It is one of the largest -- if not the largest -- paycheck the school has ever received for scheduling one road game against a non-conference opponent. And it may be the second-largest payout to any school in the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference, topped only by Ohio State’s $900,000 check to Florida A&M in 2013, according to the conference. Ohio State won that game 73-0.
*That money will help Bethune-Cookman strengthen its athletics budget, which is in the $10 million to $15 million range based on conference estimates.
Assuming Bethune-Cookman’s athletics budget was at the high end, an $800,000 check would represent more than 5 percent of its athletics revenue, and provide a windfall since this game wasn’t on the original 2018 schedule. For Nebraska, $800,000 represents a fraction of its $138 million 2018-2019 athletic department budget.
*Bethune-Cookman needs the money. Last week interim president Hubert Grimes said the university was facing a “crisis” because of a myriad of financial problems. He denied reports that the school may be forced to close.
The financial problems prompted student rallies on campus this past week.
The Nebraska game comes at a critical juncture in the timeline of Bethune-Cookman, which was founded in 1904.
While refuting reports that the school will close, Grimes said the university is dealing with numerous financial issues that have been years in the making, including a bad dormitory deal that is expected to cost the university millions more than anticipated.
The new dorm, originally estimated at $72.1 million, is now expected to cost $306 million over payments spread out over the next 40 years, according to media reports in Florida.
“Our problems reflect the culmination of years of inadequate accountability, suspect governance, and quite frankly, inexcusable management decisions,” Grimes said.
Bethune-Cookman was put on probation earlier this year by its accrediting organization. Meetings with those officials were scheduled for late last week.
Dating back to 2011, the school has played Miami four times and Florida State once. The Wildcats have also played Central Florida, Florida International, Florida Atlantic, North Texas, and Coastal Carolina.
To put Bethune-Cookman's $800,000 payout more in perspective as an FCS opponent, NU has five scheduled games with FCS schools North Dakota (2022 and 2026) and South Dakota State (2020, 2024 and 2028). The payouts for those five FCS games range from $515,000 to $575,000, which is more the market rate for scheduling FCS schools. Where Group of Five schools like Akron and Arkansas State command anywhere from $1.1 to $1.65 million.
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Do the BC Wildcats stand a chance in this game?
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they have 4 wins on the season, UNL does not
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Iowa State replaced its lightening day opponent with Incarnate Word, but Incarnate Word made the FCS Playoffs; so now Iowa State which is bowl eligible, and doesn't need another win against a scholarship team, just replaced FCS Incarnate Word with --- the Drake Bulldogs, and FCS nonscholarship team. Sheesh!
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The sad thing is, in the not-so-distant past, ISU may have dropped some games against Drake. I think they actually did in the late 80s or early 90s.
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The sad thing is, in the not-so-distant past, ISU may have dropped some games against Drake. I think they actually did in the late 80s or early 90s.
I presume you are correct. The Register said the last Drake played ISU was in 1985. I recall that year coinciding with the last season Drake played scholarship football. And, I seem to recall Drake had a regular season record something like 10-1.
Drake is nonscholarship FCS. I recall once in the past 10 years when Drake was good they played UNI and Drake was absolutely whacked by UNI. There is little comparison between nonscholarship and scholarship level FCS. Someone could correct me about a few upsets. Drake is more of a fancified D-III team that travels nearly coast-to-coast to play in their conference. The speed difference between Drake and ISU will be noticeable, but it won't be noticeable to those living in Alabama. The game is Dec. 1 and televised on the Cyclone Network, only.
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Nebraska and Akron have reached an agreement for the game that never was, and were in agreeable enough terms to schedule another game for down the road.
The Huskers and Zips reached a two-part deal, with a reduced payout for the season-opener the was canceled from this past season, but also with an additional meeting in the future that includes a healthy price tag for when Akron comes to Lincoln next time.
As part of the agreement:
– Nebraska will play host to Akron at Memorial Stadium on Sept. 6, 2025. Akron will receive a guarantee of $1.45 million for the 2025 game in Lincoln.
– The Huskers will pay Akron $650,000 for the originally scheduled game on Sept. 1, 2018, that was canceled due to severe weather in Lincoln. The contract signed in 2014 provided a guarantee of $1.17 million for Akron to play the game in Lincoln, and Nebraska has agreed to pay more than half of that guarantee despite the game being canceled.
“We are pleased to finalize an agreement with Akron that is beneficial for both institutions,” Huskers athletics director Bill Moos said in a statement. “We have had good dialogue with Akron during this process and are appreciative of the cooperation and patience from everyone involved. We look forward to Akron making a return trip to Memorial Stadium in 2025.”
The 2025 game against the Zips will be the home opener at Memorial Stadium for Nebraska. The Huskers open the season at Illinois on Aug. 30, before Akron will visit Lincoln. Nebraska also has a non-conference game scheduled at Cincinnati on Sept. 13, 2025, with one remaining non-conference opening.
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Nebraska and Akron have reached an agreement for the game that never was, and were in agreeable enough terms to schedule another game for down the road.
The Huskers and Zips reached a two-part deal, with a reduced payout for the season-opener the was canceled from this past season, but also with an additional meeting in the future that includes a healthy price tag for when Akron comes to Lincoln next time.
As part of the agreement:
– Nebraska will play host to Akron at Memorial Stadium on Sept. 6, 2025. Akron will receive a guarantee of $1.45 million for the 2025 game in Lincoln.
– The Huskers will pay Akron $650,000 for the originally scheduled game on Sept. 1, 2018, that was canceled due to severe weather in Lincoln. The contract signed in 2014 provided a guarantee of $1.17 million for Akron to play the game in Lincoln, and Nebraska has agreed to pay more than half of that guarantee despite the game being canceled.
“We are pleased to finalize an agreement with Akron that is beneficial for both institutions,” Huskers athletics director Bill Moos said in a statement. “We have had good dialogue with Akron during this process and are appreciative of the cooperation and patience from everyone involved. We look forward to Akron making a return trip to Memorial Stadium in 2025.”
The 2025 game against the Zips will be the home opener at Memorial Stadium for Nebraska. The Huskers open the season at Illinois on Aug. 30, before Akron will visit Lincoln. Nebraska also has a non-conference game scheduled at Cincinnati on Sept. 13, 2025, with one remaining non-conference opening.
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If I was Nebraska, I put it in the contract that Akron needs to book a hotel for both Friday night and Saturday night the next time they play. Just in case the game on Saturday gets canceled, they can then reschedule it for the next day Sunday instead.