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The Power Five => Big XII => Topic started by: CharleyHorse46 on September 09, 2018, 05:40:38 PM
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I went over to the SEC thread to congratulate our Aggie friends and I couldn't even see a game thread. That place is still kind of a pigsty. A&M plays the #2 team in the country and they seem more obsessed with Tennessee. Whatever.
So I know there's no solace in losing. I know there are no moral victories.
All the same, I envy you crazy coots because your 1-1 record looks so much more promising than our 1-1 record.
It looks like there are good things on the horizon for you guys (unless of course I'm jinxing you by saying this - in which case, oops, sorry, my bad).
So congratulations. You look like interesting neighbors to keep an eye on.
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I like to see A&M do well, it forces Texas' hand.
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Two missed FG's. One from about 25yds out. What could have been....
Oh well. We get another chance at glory in a couple weeks at Alabama.
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A&M was an eight game or so winner in the BIG 12 as they are in the SEC. What surprised me the other day is that A&M is 2-12 against top twenty teams at home over the past ten years?
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A&M was an eight game or so winner in the BIG 12 as they are in the SEC. What surprised me the other day is that A&M is 2-12 against top twenty teams at home over the past ten years?
Why would that surprise you? Fran, Sherman, and Sumlin. Sumlin may not make the year at AU.
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I went over to the SEC thread to congratulate our Aggie friends and I couldn't even see a game thread. That place is still kind of a pigsty. A&M plays the #2 team in the country and they seem more obsessed with Tennessee. Whatever.
All the same, I envy you crazy coots because your 1-1 record looks so much more promising than our 1-1 record.
It looks like there are good things on the horizon for you guys (unless of course I'm jinxing you by saying this - in which case, oops, sorry, my bad).
So congratulations. You look like interesting neighbors to keep an eye on.
All the same, I envy you crazy coots because your 1-1 record looks so much more promising than our 1-1 record.
It looks like there are good things on the horizon for you guys (unless of course I'm jinxing you by saying this - in which case, oops, sorry, my bad).
So congratulations. You look like interesting neighbors to keep an eye on.
It's because we haven't been around in the SEC long enough for there to be much hate sans Arkansas fans. It's strange because you would assume there would be a Husker Prick Squad-esque clique of GA, Bama, Fla, and LSU fans but really so far there isn't.
I gotta admit I was real nervous about the move to the SEC. I don't remember the SWC. I grew up in the Big 12. My first conference game as a student was A&M's first B12 game vs Colorado (we lost) in 1996. I was there when we came back to beat oSu down by 17 pts in 1997 and I was there for all the losses against the Red Raiders and the Bonfire Game '99. I was a student when we won the CCG vs. KSU ( always felt bad that it had to be us to ruin their lifetime chance).
But I've got to admit the SEC has been good for us. We are the only Texas SEC program, we get to play a whole lot of marquee games, and we are always, always on TV. Emphasis on the always. Do you remember around 2011 when Sherman was our coach we weren't even on TV until like the 4th game of the season? And WTF is up with the A&M vs. Texas games that were 10 am affairs the Friday after Thanksgiving? 10 am?!! The worst crime of all IMO is the A&M/Tech barn-burners that didn't make TV. Farkin' Iowa St. vs Kansas would make TV but not A&M/Tech?
We made the right move, we just haven't done our part on the field. Hopefully Saban will keel over pretty soon, LSU will go into the dumpster (they are past due) and we can move up in the SEC-W. Lookin' forward to our first CCG in Atlanta!!
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is Bill Byrne still alive???
(https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5b97a60aa7ea434b99d5ed10/960x0.jpg?fit=scale)
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I saw that article posted today and was slightly surprised. I knew we were up there but I thought we still had quite a ways to pass The Great Satan to the West.
I didn't realize until recently that there are 20,000 more students at A&M now then when I was there in the late 90's to early 00's. We had like 43,000 and now there are over 60K. A&M, being 5200 acres, has a little room to grow compared to other campuses.
Billy Byrne is definitely still alive and his son I believe is the AD at 'Bama.
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That's a kind of interesting list, particularly the profit column, which seems to me more important than the gross revenue. And what's up with Bama? They're tied for #3 for revenue, but are way down at #9 for profit. Maybe they should get a new CFO or something.
Anyway, yeah, impressive about A&M. 60K students. Damn that's a lot. If the A&M student body were in Oklahoma, it would be the 7th largest city in the state!
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Yeah, A&M has typically fallen short of the high expectations I think we all (including particularly A&M fans) have for the place, given the resources and top recruiting classes the Ags often get. And the amazing fan support. There must be some serious long-term offenses to the ECFGs back in the Aggie past ...
But in tribute to the tremendous Aggie potential, here's a song for you guys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a41whQ9yMLk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a41whQ9yMLk)
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That's a kind of interesting list, particularly the profit column, which seems to me more important than the gross revenue. And what's up with Bama? They're tied for #3 for revenue, but are way down at #9 for profit. Maybe they should get a new CFO or something.
paying all those 5 star recruits and their families is expensive
the bagman also gets a peice
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Anyway, yeah, impressive about A&M. 60K students.
What's impressive about it? Adding more at A&M basically just lowered entrance requirements for every college in Texas except Rice and UT.
Academic rankings in one hand and wads of cash in the other. After careful consideration, A&M goes for the cash.
SEC.
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I went over to the SEC thread to congratulate our Aggie friends and I couldn't even see a game thread. That place is still kind of a pigsty. A&M plays the #2 team in the country and they seem more obsessed with Tennessee. Whatever.
That place is a graveyard. My interest started dwindling as the traffic dwindled, and the football talk is....well, the less said about it, the better.
I made a final pre-season post, it went about how I expected, and I'm not sure I'll ever click on that board again. I definitely don't get any smarter when I read it.
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You non-Big-12ers are more than welcome over here. We can talk about whatever.
Just don't mimic us.
I remember one time when we were all at CFB news possibly well-meaning folks from other conferences came into our conference folder to start conversations so stupid they wouldn't dare start them in their own conference thread.
Just because we start stupid topics doesn't mean we want a lot of interlopers coming in and starting stupider topics. This ain't no city dump.
Say whatever you want - within the threads we got.
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I try to behave
I don't start many threads.
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I like to see A&M do well. I pull for all the Texas schools and want to see them win. Just not against Texas. :)
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is Bill Byrne still alive???
(https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5b97a60aa7ea434b99d5ed10/960x0.jpg?fit=scale)
I find it interesting that they chose this 3 year period. Both Texas schools are reporting over 200 million for 2017. And a USA today (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2018/01/29/texas-am-operating-revenue/1077373001/) article says with the stadium renovation A&M has made over 190 million each of the last 3 years. Doing some funky math this chart is saying A&M made $148*3 years = $444. Then the USA today article says they made at least $190 in '15 and '16 ($380)
$444 - $380 = only $64 million in '14. That's a huge revenue jump I'm having trouble reconciling.
Actually SEC Country (https://www.seccountry.com/texas-am/texas-ams-prolific-profit-margins-should-inspire-aggies-to-keep-pushing-revenue-envelope) has an article saying Aggies went from $73('14) to $192 ('15), so the math isn't that far off from this chart and the USA today article.
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and the Horns are expanding their south endzone to pack in more paying customers?
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You know what jumps out at me?
Texas has the most recent MNC of the top three teams.
:72:
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and the Horns are expanding their south endzone to pack in more paying customers?
I heard Texas AD Chris Del Conte on the radio this morning. Sounded like he had just woke up. His Ses sounded like SHes.
He said Texas will be putting a 3,000 square foot Hall of Fame in the North End Zone.
He said other interesting things too that I wanted to remember and share but I can't remember them now.
I want a doughnut.
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and the Horns are expanding their south endzone to pack in more paying customers?
Their will be some seats added, but mostly skyboxes and a sports museum of sorts.
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What's impressive about it? Adding more at A&M basically just lowered entrance requirements for every college in Texas except Rice and UT.
Academic rankings in one hand and wads of cash in the other. After careful consideration, A&M goes for the cash.
SEC.
Bullshit. So there are two flagship universities in the state but with the population continuing to climb we should just leave the amount of accepted students the same? And as far as entrance requirements I believe A&M's are as tough as ever. I'm not aware of many state colleges that are as difficult to get into as A&M and UT and I haven't heard of any of them lowering their requirements. I think you have to remember that A&M physically has the room to expand and I think it's a good thing for the state.
I find it ironic you would say that we went for the cash when the LHN is one of the things that broke apart the Big XII in the first place.
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Dude,
EVERYONE goes for the cash. Nothing to be ashamed of.....
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I find it ironic you would say that we went for the cash when the LHN is one of the things that broke apart the Big XII in the first place.
I agree and I am not a fan of what LHN cost the Big 12. But find me any school that would have turned ESPN away and refused having its own network.
And on the other note, remember A&M's "Vision 2020"? Where did that go? Long gone. Joined the SEC, opened up the flood gates, and started stamping out diplomas.
Money talks, academics walk. And big stadiums look cool anyways.
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I was recently accosted on facebook by a t-shirt Aggie "fan," a transplant from Illinois who moved to College Station. He'd taken his young son to a game and was saying how much he loved the atmosphere and the "patriotisms" and what a great school/team they were, and how God had given them a great place to call home. I jokingly told him there was still time for him to repent, utterly failing to remember this guy in all probability is not an actual CFB fan. And also he's a hard-line Trump supporter and I'll just leave it at that.
He responded "Did LSU recite the Preamble to the Constitution before their game? No, I didn't think so." That should have been the only flag I needed to drop it and remember that this young guy is not an actual cfb fan. But because facebook makes me dumber--and I don't think I'm alone in that--I instead responded "No, they were busy beating another top ten team." To which he immediately fired back "I'll take the team whose school is based on character and service to others. That's the Aggie way." By that time I had come to my senses and respond no further.
But there it was, his "fandom" is based on reciting the Preamble to the Constitution? Somehow the school I root for is apparently unpatriotic for only playing the national anthem before games? Of course he can't fathom that my fandom is rooted in where I come from....it's a school that represents my hometown and home state and most of the kids who play their are locally grown, and it's where my dad took me to games when I was a kid. But I'm supposed to throw that out the window and go with another school because they're more patriotic?
Well of course he doesn't understand. Like I said, t-shirt fan.
But I kinda lolz at the notion that this is the type of person A&M attracts, and while this guy is actually a great young man in real life, it does nothing to dispel my notion that A&M is a friggin' cult.
.....but if I were really out to burst his bubble, I'd let him know all about that "character" and ask him if reciting the Preamble gets them off the hook for cheating more than Auburn and Alabama combined.
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He responded "Did LSU recite the Preamble to the Constitution before their game?
A&M doesn't either. Not sure which game he went to, but it was obviously a one-hit wonder for him.
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But because facebook makes me dumber--and I don't think I'm alone in that--
no wonder I don't need facebook............ this poor dirt farmer is dumb enough!
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I was recently accosted on facebook by a t-shirt Aggie "fan," a transplant from Illinois who moved to College Station. He'd taken his young son to a game and was saying how much he loved the atmosphere and the "patriotisms" and what a great school/team they were, and how God had given them a great place to call home. I jokingly told him there was still time for him to repent, utterly failing to remember this guy in all probability is not an actual CFB fan. And also he's a hard-line Trump supporter and I'll just leave it at that.
He responded "Did LSU recite the Preamble to the Constitution before their game? No, I didn't think so." That should have been the only flag I needed to drop it and remember that this young guy is not an actual cfb fan. But because facebook makes me dumber--and I don't think I'm alone in that--I instead responded "No, they were busy beating another top ten team." To which he immediately fired back "I'll take the team whose school is based on character and service to others. That's the Aggie way." By that time I had come to my senses and respond no further.
But there it was, his "fandom" is based on reciting the Preamble to the Constitution? Somehow the school I root for is apparently unpatriotic for only playing the national anthem before games? Of course he can't fathom that my fandom is rooted in where I come from....it's a school that represents my hometown and home state and most of the kids who play their are locally grown, and it's where my dad took me to games when I was a kid. But I'm supposed to throw that out the window and go with another school because they're more patriotic?
Well of course he doesn't understand. Like I said, t-shirt fan.
But I kinda lolz at the notion that this is the type of person A&M attracts, and while this guy is actually a great young man in real life, it does nothing to dispel my notion that A&M is a friggin' cult.
.....but if I were really out to burst his bubble, I'd let him know all about that "character" and ask him if reciting the Preamble gets them off the hook for cheating more than Auburn and Alabama combined.
Amos, I think you’re missing the point.
This is win/win.
This dude found something in life that struck a chord within him. Good for him. We should all be so lucky.
And his infatuation with A&M ain’t hurting nobody. It’s a victimless crime.
It’s all good. It’s a total win. God blesshim.
You may be wondering how it’s win/win. How do you win?
You get to feel intellectually superior and mock him on message boards.
What could be more fun than that?
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I haven't been to a game since Johnny Football's last one Vs Miss St in 2013. I am not aware of any pre-game constitution activities, it sounds kind of goofy to me.
You do just realize that EVERYONE out there who is a CFB fan has some reason to pick the team they like? Some may like the logo, or the colors, or they may have a favorite player or coach. Heck, some like the system the school runs. Some like whoever is closest to where they live. If you think about it, there's US, and then there's THEM. And if they are not with US, then they are against US, and we are against THEM. Oh, and by the way, THEM are bad. They are bad because they're not US and because I say so.
At the end of the day whatever reason any fan picks is just as valid as any other reason.
Oh, and BTW, most of the CFB fans I know consider anybody who didn't attend the school they root for a T-shirt fan.
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Ed Zachery
as long as that reason is not, just picking a current winner and changing colors if that team starts losing
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I agree and I am not a fan of what LHN cost the Big 12. But find me any school that would have turned ESPN away and refused having its own network.
And on the other note, remember A&M's "Vision 2020"? Where did that go? Long gone. Joined the SEC, opened up the flood gates, and started stamping out diplomas.
Money talks, academics walk. And big stadiums look cool anyways.
I think the attendance increase has been going on long before the sec came around. Every time I get up that way they are building a new building or something or other.
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Even Texas Tech made list at #25.
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I haven't been to a game since Johnny Football's last one Vs Miss St in 2013. I am not aware of any pre-game constitution activities, it sounds kind of goofy to me.
You do just realize that EVERYONE out there who is a CFB fan has some reason to pick the team they like? Some may like the logo, or the colors, or they may have a favorite player or coach. Heck, some like the system the school runs. Some like whoever is closest to where they live. If you think about it, there's US, and then there's THEM. And if they are not with US, then they are against US, and we are against THEM. Oh, and by the way, THEM are bad. They are bad because they're not US and because I say so.
At the end of the day whatever reason any fan picks is just as valid as any other reason.
Oh, and BTW, most of the CFB fans I know consider anybody who didn't attend the school they root for a T-shirt fan.
You make some good points.
Points I'd probably consider if you didn't belong to a cult :72:
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You make some good points.
Points I'd probably consider if you didn't belong to a cult :72:
A very, very LARGE cult. Thank you!
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I see A&M winning big this weekend over Arkansas. The line is A&M by 21.
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I see A&M winning big this weekend over Arkansas. The line is A&M by 21.
We'll see. I think Ark is better than their record.
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If you guys could score in the red zone today you would be up by 24.
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Agreed. And I thought we had a good kicker but he missed two easy ones.
Just glad to barely win rather than barely lose like to Clemson.
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In the end, the Longhorn Network, operated by ESPN, was launched in 2011. Of course, its formation was not exactly well received by some of the other Big 12 members at the time, ultimately playing a partial role in Texas A&M's departure for the SEC in time for the 2012 football season. That said, Dodds' interview didn't go by without him acknowledging the benefits that Texas A&M has enjoyed since leaving for a new home.
"Their football looks good," Dodds continued. "The SEC fits A&M, and they've had success over there. The money has been good. Their fans like it. They fill their stadium. I'd say it's been a good thing for them."
https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/Article/texas-am-refused-offer-to-be-part-of-longhorn-network-former-texas-ad-deloss-dodds-big-12-sec-football--166109899/?fbclid=IwAR2uwYxRuT-aXHvgcdJ9TLDg8hgFCkFUK_3aTRMjcbNjciMVLW1S9zPiuA8 (https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/Article/texas-am-refused-offer-to-be-part-of-longhorn-network-former-texas-ad-deloss-dodds-big-12-sec-football--166109899/?fbclid=IwAR2uwYxRuT-aXHvgcdJ9TLDg8hgFCkFUK_3aTRMjcbNjciMVLW1S9zPiuA8)
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Uh huh. No information on how the money was to be split, or where the HQ for the network was, or how the leadership would be split. Just that A&M was offered, and we declined. I don't think it could have ever really worked, like mixing oil and water really.
Serious Question: When does the contract for the LHN expire and is it going to be picked back up? The TV landscape looks tremendously different now than it did 10+ years ago. I have heard that the LHN has been and is a money loser for ESPN, and it really doesn't make sense anymore. The best outcome would be to convert the LHN into the Big 12 Network, but I'm not sure if that ship has already sailed or not.
Lots of posters on this old thread that haven't been around in awhile (RIP JCG).
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The politics of carriage deals are now hilariously antiquated. Whereas before, an IP owner like ABC/Disney/ESPN would tell a carrier (like Spectrum or Comcast), "Either carry our new channel on this tier, or else we're not letting you buy ESPN!". That was the mega-hammer. A credible carrier simply could not charge customers for a cable package that didn't include ESPN.
The money spent by Disney on the LHN has a lot of ins and outs. Yes, they likely lost money on the actual showing of the channel and carriage fees (the launch of the network coincided with an unprecedented wasteland of Texas sporting futility), but ESPN also had invested in Tier 1 rights to the Big 12. Securing the LHN secured the Big 12. The $15mil per season would have been a wise use of the money if only to ensure the continuation of the multi-billion dollar Big 12 deal in total.
Really, when the LHN deal is up (and it should be soon), I'd encourage Texas to do something like an in-house produced streaming app through Amazon or something similar. They have the facilities, I think it would be good experience, and even at a minimal $5 or something per month cost, I believe it could out-earn the LHN.
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I seem to remember 2025 as the date LHN expires but not sure
Not only was a partnership offered to aggie but prior to that the conference voted down establishing a Big 12 network
The LHN was choice number 3
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Uh huh. No information on how the money was to be split, or where the HQ for the network was, or how the leadership would be split. Just that A&M was offered, and we declined.
It was not expected to make any money at all. It was viewed as a marketing endeavor.
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LHN was a 20-year deal that started in 2011, so it should run through 2030.
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And as usual, Fearless has successfully stirred the pot on ancient history.