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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on September 04, 2018, 10:53:45 AM
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I've been nervous since this one was announced. I'm all for playing P5 OOC games, but these September road trips to the Pac 10/12 seem to kill the Big Ten.
My hope was that Herm would buffoon this team up enough, but they looked really good in their opener. Yeah, it's UTSA, but UTSA was probably better than half the opponents than P5 teams played last week.
If Chewins is still out, they better hope the guys around him look a lot better than they did in Week 1. Also time for Justin Layne to really show up. I'd feel a lot better with Scott out there. N'Keal Harry just looks like an NFL player out there, and I'm not sure Layne is up to it.
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I was looking forward to this game, then saw the 10:45 pm kick time, so take lots of notes that I can read in Sunday morning.
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If Chewins is still out, they better hope the guys around him look a lot better than they did in Week 1. Also time for Justin Layne to really show up. I'd feel a lot better with Scott out there. N'Keal Harry just looks like an NFL player out there, and I'm not sure Layne is up to it.
Chewins still listed as OR on the depth chart at LT. That's how he was listed last week, and people wondered if it was demotion related because there had been no injury news, but it's turned out to be due to injury. Hopefully continued no news and still listing him as an OR there means it's still possibly not long term. MSU generally isn't coy with injury news, so it's not like there is gamesmanship there.
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I was looking forward to this game, then saw the 10:45 pm kick time, so take lots of notes that I can read in Sunday morning.
Being in Nashville this weekend buys me an extra hour there. Makes it doable.
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The Sun Devils are a little bit better than the Blue Aggies.
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Being in Nashville this weekend buys me an extra hour there. Makes it doable.
That would help, though staying reasonably sober all day in Nashville is a challenge unto itself
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The teams will also honor Daryl Rogers before the game. Rogers coached at MSU from 1976-79, winning the 1978 Big Ten Championship, before following his AD to ASU, where he coached from 1980-84. His 1982 team which beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl, finished #6 in the AP Poll, the second highest finish in school history at the time, and only bested twice since (#4 in 1986 and 1996). That '86 Rose Bowl championship team that got Cooper the OSU job had Rogers' fingerprints all over it. He died over the summer.
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The PAC is at a definite advantage when doing home-and-homes; both teams may experience jet lag, but night games east of the Missouri river are basically late-afternoon games for those on the West Coast. Night games out West can last well past midnight in the Central and Eastern time zones.
Sparty is about a 7-point favorite, but that seems a bit much. IMHO it should be closer to a pick-em.
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Why the Big Ten doesn't insist on doing the return trips at noon is beyond me.
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I like the time zone being a factor, so long as it works both ways.
If they schedule you at night, you schedule them at Noon on the return trip.
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Ed Zachery
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I was looking forward to this game, then saw the 10:45 pm kick time, so take lots of notes that I can read in Sunday morning.
Hell I'll prolly be sleeping about 2-3 hrs by K.O. ,wake up and catch the 2nd half
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Why the Big Ten doesn't insist on doing the return trips at noon is beyond me.
Really specially if it's an opponent who's all that.Oregon a few years ago.USC a few years before that the hell with TV views the diehards will be watching anyway.Implement any advantage possible
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Keep in mind the game isn't at 1045 to punish the road team do you really want to play in the hot sun of Tempe in early Sept? Neither does ASU.
I do recall UGA getting a 7ish pm est kick at ASU about 10 years ago.
N had UCLA play at 11 am a few yrs ago, Ucla won after sleeping in the first half
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Keep in mind the game isn't at 1045 to punish the road team do you really want to play in the hot sun of Tempe in early Sept? Neither does ASU.
I do recall UGA getting a 7ish pm est kick at ASU about 10 years ago.
N had UCLA play at 11 am a few yrs ago, Ucla won after sleeping in the first half
Yeah I was at that UGA@ASU game and it was indeed Richt that pushed for the afternoon start instead of a late evening start. Seems he felt the heat was less of an obstacle than the time difference. UGA won relatively easy behind Knowshon Moreno and AJ Green's coming out party.
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That would help, though staying reasonably sober all day in Nashville is a challenge unto itself
No shit. The motto there is "Y'all can't drink all day if y'all don't start in the mornin' ".
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Is there an O/U on the number of officials that will be suspended after this game?
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Keep in mind the game isn't at 1045 to punish the road team do you really want to play in the hot sun of Tempe in early Sept? Neither does ASU.
I do recall UGA getting a 7ish pm est kick at ASU about 10 years ago.
N had UCLA play at 11 am a few yrs ago, Ucla won after sleeping in the first half
I do get it, and hell, tv dictates it anyway. I just hope the return game is at noon. If MSU loses, it's not going to be an excuse, I just think you might as well get every advantage within the rule book you can. How many points is it worth? Who knows. But I don't think it's nothing, travelling either way.
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As for the game, the late start and the heat do help ASU and while a win wouldn't surprise me I do think Mich St is rightly favored.
While ASU thoroughly spanked their cupcake, something they haven't done since 2013, they still had a few glaring mistakes and miscues that a team like MSU would absolutely expose.
The DL looks fantastic and actually has some depth and the corners are solod, but while talented the linebackers are very inexperienced and mistake prone, and our safeties still scare me big time.
On offense our OL looks good, not great but far from the liability it has been in years past. The RBs are inexperienced but very promising, and the WRs are excellent along with having a solid senior QB slinging the ball. I am still unsure about the OC, however.
We got a solid kicker and punter (if he stays healthy) but we had waaaaay too many special teams penalties last week. Better clean those up.
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Really specially if it's an opponent who's all that.Oregon a few years ago.USC a few years before that the hell with TV views the diehards will be watching anyway.Implement any advantage possible
Cal came to Minneapolis back in 2009 for the 2nd game at the New Brickhouse. 11 AM start.
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Generally the Eastern teams do okay in the first half of these late western games, but then they slog through the second half as it is ridiculously late by then according to their internal clock.
So the key for MSU is to build a sizable lead in the first half.
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Arizona State is apparently 9-0 all time in true home games against Big Ten teams. Yikes!
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The game that stands out in my memory was in 2004 when eventual Big Ten co-champs Iowa came to Tempe and got absolutely drilled 44-7.
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will ASU finish the season ranked? That's the real question.
Because MSU is 2-11 since 2007 on the road vs opponents that finished the season ranked. Those two wins came in 2015- vs Michigan on the flukiest play with 8 seconds left in a game that I think I've ever seen- and vs Ohio State that year in a game where Zeke only got 10 carries.
Pretty interesting stat. For all the stuff we've heard about Michigan's record vs ranked opponents on the road since 2007- aside from OSU- the rest of the B1G ain't looking much better in that same timespan. MSU, 2-11. Wisconsin, 0-12. Penn State, 3-15.
So if you think ASU will finish the season ranked in the top 25, history tells you MSU will probably lose.
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Yep, I remember that game. Blowouts of that magnitude are incredibly rare in the KF era. The only other game that really stuck out like a sore thumb was 2014 @ Minnesota. Neither '04 ASU nor '14 Minnesota were particularly powerful those respective seasons, so it makes those losses genuine head-scratchers (sure, getting the "L" is one thing, but the way they lost is something else entirely).
But I can understand why ASU is so successful against the B1G at home, even when the road team might actually be stronger. First, the games are usually played in September, so that gives ASU an inherent advantage in the sense that it gives B1G teams less film to study. Secondly, ASU tends to air it out more than the average B1G team, so even if there is film to study, actually defending it is easier said than done. Thirdly, the time difference and climate do play a factor. UGA came to Tempe and won because the Dawgs are never hurting for talent, and it's also crazy hot in the Deep South in September so it's nothing they're not used to (it may be a different kind of heat, but heat is still heat, and it sucks haha)
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will ASU finish the season ranked? That's the real question.
Because MSU is 2-11 since 2007 on the road vs opponents that finished the season ranked. Those two wins came in 2015- vs Michigan on the flukiest play with 8 seconds left in a game that I think I've ever seen- and vs Ohio State that year in a game where Zeke only got 10 carries.
Pretty interesting stat. For all the stuff we've heard about Michigan's record vs ranked opponents on the road since 2007- aside from OSU- the rest of the B1G ain't looking much better in that same timespan. MSU, 2-11. Wisconsin, 0-12. Penn State, 3-15.
So if you think ASU will finish the season ranked in the top 25, history tells you MSU will probably lose.
I don't think ASU is a top 25 team this year, possibly top 35 though.
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Yeah, teams whoa lose home games tend not to wind up ranked.
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ASU now has two starting OL listed as questionable
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Arizona State is apparently 9-0 all time in true home games against Big Ten teams. Yikes!
9-1 would still be impressive
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not touching this game
Go Sparty!
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not touching this game
Go Sparty!
Who said I was touching this Game?Not that there's anything wrong with that,illegal perhaps but not wrong!
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ASU now has two starting OL listed as questionable
Just one starter is questionable, but the problem is so is his immediate backup.
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will ASU finish the season ranked? That's the real question.
Because MSU is 2-11 since 2007 on the road vs opponents that finished the season ranked. Those two wins came in 2015- vs Michigan on the flukiest play with 8 seconds left in a game that I think I've ever seen- and vs Ohio State that year in a game where Zeke only got 10 carries.
Pretty interesting stat. For all the stuff we've heard about Michigan's record vs ranked opponents on the road since 2007- aside from OSU- the rest of the B1G ain't looking much better in that same timespan. MSU, 2-11. Wisconsin, 0-12. Penn State, 3-15.
So if you think ASU will finish the season ranked in the top 25, history tells you MSU will probably lose.
Yeah, teams whoa lose home games tend not to wind up ranked.
I was thinking the same thing that ELA said. There can't be more than a handful of teams that have a winning record on the road against teams that finished ranked.
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PAC12 road game curse continues.
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I knew when he committed to the Spartans that Lewerke would end up being a solid QB for MSU, and he has only proved me right. The heat definitely got to MSU, can't deny that at all but a lot of credit belongs to our OC for those 13 points ASU pulled off in the 4th quarter as he started calling more plays from a 10 personnel (1 RB no TE) instead of 11 (1 RB 1 TE) and saw much greater results because of it. That key 3rd and 8 ASU converted with about 5 minutes left in the game where Wilkins hit our RB in the flat and he took it 25 yards was a super savvy call.
As for MSU they still impressed me. That defense is solid, especially the DL. Lewerke and those WRs will be a problem for everyone they face especially if they can't bring pressure consistently.
And the Spartans can at least take solace knowing they will most likely kick our ass next year in East Lansing (doesn't help we lose some key OL, our QB and top WR).
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I think the secondary played better than I expected, against arguably the best NFL WR prospect, and without out top CB.
The problem was the front seven generated exactly zero pass rush.
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MSU bracketing Harry most of the night definitely limited the number of throws his direction, which was a smart strategy but our #2 WR Kyle Williams was a beneficiary as he had over 100 yards receiving.
And while our QB was only sacked twice I wouldn't say MSU didn't generate any pass rush. Especially in the first 3 quarters before fatigue was setting in the pocket collapsed on Wilkins quite a few times, he was just savvy enough to feel it and know exactly where to maneuver to still make a throw.
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I didn't watch because I was asleep, but looking at the box score it would appear MSU is struggling to run the ball.
Is the O line struggling? I guess I just expected more from LJ Scott this season, and I thought MSU would be more balanced .
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MSU sure ain't messing around with discipline now. This is the reason for starting LB Tyriq Thompson's one game suspension, and why he didn't play against Arizona State
https://twitter.com/mwenzel2/status/1040274839309877248
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I didn't watch because I was asleep, but looking at the box score it would appear MSU is struggling to run the ball.
Is the O line struggling? I guess I just expected more from LJ Scott this season, and I thought MSU would be more balanced .
The line has struggled immensely. Their starting LT has missed the first two games, and the lone spot they had to replace a starter from a year ago, center, has been a complete disaster. They've been rotating guys through, and they've all been awful there.
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The line has struggled immensely. Their starting LT has missed the first two games, and the lone spot they had to replace a starter from a year ago, center, has been a complete disaster. They've been rotating guys through, and they've all been awful there.
Lewerke is a really good QB. Michigan State has some good backs and really good WR's as well. Just goes to show you (a) how hard it is to play on the road at night and (b) doesn't matter how good the QB and skill players are- if they O-line isn't doing jack you're gonna struggle to score points.
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Lewerke is a really good QB. Michigan State has some good backs and really good WR's as well. Just goes to show you (a) how hard it is to play on the road at night and (b) doesn't matter how good the QB and skill players are- if they O-line isn't doing jack you're gonna struggle to score points.
Not sold on the backs. Scott has regressed, the other guys are ok, but nothing special. Tight ends have underwhelmed for on every post CFP team. Lewerke and the WRs have been fine to good, but the rest of the offense has been awful.
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A breakdown from the MSU 247 guys
MSU OL COMBINATIONS VS. ARIZONA STATE
No. 1 -- LT Cole Chewins, LG David Beedle, C Tyler Higby, RG Kevin Jarvis, RT Jordan Reid
Snaps: 1
No. 2 -- LT Luke Campbell, LG Beedle, C Higby, RG Jarvis, RT Reid
Snaps: 36
No. 3 -- LT Campbell, LG Jarvis, C Higby, RG Matt Allen, RT Reid, TE Beedle
Snaps: 1
No. 4 -- LT Higby, LG Blake Bueter, C Allen, RG Jarvis, RT Reid
Snaps: 10
No. 5 -- LT Higby, LG Beedle, C Allen, RG Bueter, RT Reid
Snaps: 1
No. 6 -- LT Campbell, LG Beedle, C Allen, RG Jarvis, RT Reid
Snaps: 8
No. 7 -- LT Higby, LG Beedle, C Allen, RG Jarvis, RT Campbell
Snaps: 4
No. 8 -- LT Higby, LG Beedle, C Allen, RG Jarvis, RT Reid
Snaps: 4
No. 9 -- LT Higby, LG Bueter, C Allen, RG Jarvis, RT Campbell
Snaps: 1
INDIVIDUAL SNAP COUNTS
Campbell at RT: 5
Campbell at LT: 45
Beedle at LG: 54
Bueter at LG: 11
Bueter at RG: 1
Higby at C: 38
Higby at LT: 20
Allen at RG: 1
Allen at C: 28
Jarvis at LG: 1
Jarvis at RG: 64
Reid at RT: 61
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I didn't know Chewins went down on the first snap. Also wow that OL experimenting got frenetic. I guess the take aways are that Chewins is functionally indispensable and the new center isn't the same as the guy who graduated.
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I didn't know Chewins went down on the first snap. Also wow that OL experimenting got frenetic. I guess the take aways are that Chewins is functionally indispensable and the new center isn't the same as the guy who graduated.
Chewins has played one snap all season. He was a late scratch in the Utah State game too. Yeah, the OL is obviously the most disappointing aspect of the team so far considering the strength it was expected to be. You return 4 starters from a solid unit, and you expect progress. As you said you lose one starter to injury, and the one hole you had to fill has become arguably the biggest weakness on the team, and the whole thing crumbles.
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Given that they are trying to put him out there, it seems like Chewins's thing is at least day to day.