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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MaximumSam on September 03, 2017, 08:23:21 AM
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1. Penn State: No question marks here. Offense picked up right where it left off and the defense played great. A Penn State with a great defense is the best team in the B1G. Could be a while before they are challenged as Pitt looked like garbage in their opener.
2. Ohio State: Took a while to get going, but look committed to throwing the ball around. Overall not a bad debut but Oklahoma is coming to town so that will answer a lot of question marks.
3. Michigan: Defense obliterates an inept offense. Offense grinds out a win. Biggest surprise was their effective running game. A Michigan that can run the ball consistently is a playoff contender. Though Randy Shannon is kind of known for soft run defenses, so might have to keep that in the "we shall see" pile.
4. Wisconsin: Looked pretty crappy for a half, but then got it turned around. Now turns it sight to Lane Kiffin and the FAU Owls.
5. Michigan State: Looked strong in their opener, despite some turnover issues which made it closer than it was. Interesting game with WMU coming up, who gave USC all they wanted.
6. Iowa: Pretty Iowa performance against a decent Wyoming team. Defense played really well.
7. Maryland: Goes down to Texas and pulls off the win. Didn't see the game but from the sound of it the lines are much improved, which was their downfall last year. Rushing attack could give them a puncher's chance against any team.
8. Northwestern: Came back against the Wolfpack. Looks to be another Northwestern year.
9. Nebraska: Got all they wanted from Arkansas State.
10. Indiana: Maybe? They came out throwing a million times against OSU, and they have a good QB and at least one NFL receiver. But they also couldn't block for anything. Defense looked good at times.
11. Purdue: I mean, maybe? Gave Louisville all they wanted.
12. Minnesota: Didn't look all that great, but hey, they rowed the boat.
13. Rutgers: Didn't embarrass themselves.
14. Illinois: Blech
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1 Nittany Lions
2 Buckeyes
3 Wolverines
4 Terps
5 Badgers
6 Hoosiers
7 Spartans
8 Hawkeyes
9 Wildcats
10 Boilermakers
11 Cornhuskers
12 Golden Gophers
13 Scarlet Knights
14 Fighting Illini
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Have not seen enough to separate Badgers, Wolverines and Buckeyes yet as I think all three look pretty good under differing circumstances.
Penn State is number one for me until proven otherwise and Maryland has earned the spot right on the heels of those mentioned.
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1. Michigan - The offense is good enough so long as Speight isn't making bad throws and the running game was much more effective on the edges.
2. Ohio State - Didn't look good early but dominated late
3. Penn State - They dominated Akron, but I'm not sure that means much.
4. Wisconsin - Started badly and then dominated the second half.
5. Maryland - Not sure how good they are but apparently much better than I expected.
6. Iowa - Dominated a decent Wyoming team
7. Michigan State - Only here by default for now. Western Michigan and Notre Dame will be more telling if they're any good.
8. Indiana - Better than I expected on offense but worse defensively. Not sure about this team yet.
9. Nebraska - Arkansas State is one of the better Sun Belt teams, to be fair.
10. Northwestern - Not a good sign that they struggled with Nevada, but the Cats usually look bad early in the season for some reason.
11. Purdue - Definitely surprised that they were able to compete with Louisville.
12. Minnesota - Struggling with Buffalo is a bad sign.
13. Rutgers - I'll give them some credit for challenging Washington.
14. Illinois - At least they won, though.
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I don't feel that we learned much this week to change my rankings. MSU did better than I expected. Lots teams struggled early and then dominated in 4Q when they needed to. This week was not a big game changer.
1. PSU
2. OSU
3. Wisc
4. NW
5. Iowa
6. Mich
7. MD
8. Neb
9. Indy
10. Minn
11. PUR
12. MSU
13. ILL
14. Rut
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I felt the week was revealing and changed mine:
1. Penn State (2)
2. Ohio State (1)
3. Michigan (4)
4. Wisconsin (3)
5. Iowa (7)
6. Maryland (9)
7. Northwestern (5)
8. Michigan State (10)
9. Nebraska (6)
10. Purdue (11)
11. Indiana (14)
12. Minnesota (8 )
13. Rutgers (12)
14. Illinois (13)
I am thinking Cubit's price tag, and coaching experience at Illinois, in retrospect, look pretty good to Illinois fans.
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1) Penn State (2)
2) Ohio State (1)
3) Wisconsin (3)
4) Michigan (4)
5) Northwestern (5)
6) Nebraska (6)
7) Michigan State (7)
8 ) Iowa (8 )
9) Maryland (11)
10) Indiana (10)
11) Purdue (12)
12) Minnesota (9)
13) Rutgers (14)
14) Illinois (13)
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Here's my thoughts:
1. Penn State (1)- Only because the defense looks better than I hoped. It was only Akron, though.
2. Ohio State (2)- They actually have a good running back. I was never a big believer in Weber, but Dobbins is the real deal. They would move to #1, but their passing game looks to be even worse than I thought, which keeps them at #2 for now.
3. Michigan (4)- They beat a quality opponent, and their defense looks incredible. The offense needs help.
4. Wisconsin - (3) - I almost left them at 3, but Michigan deserves to be rewarded for beating a quality opponent.
5. Maryland (11) - Maybe Texas is hot garbage, but I doubt it. I think we may have overlooked Maryland, and the improvement of their team in the coach's second year.
6. Iowa (6)
7. Northwestern (7)
8. Michigan State (9)
9. Nebraska (5)
10. Minnesota (8
11. Indiana (10) - moving up after a "quality loss" for the next 3 teams.
12. Purdue (13)
13. Rutgers (14)
14. Illinois (12)
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Can we please stop calling Florida a quality opponent? Please?
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Can we please stop calling Florida a quality opponent? Please?
It was a better opponent than pretty much every B1G team played week 1.
Outside of Rutgers who played Washington, Purdue who played Lousiville, and Maryland who played a Texas team that is in complete rebuild mode, everyone else in the B1G played absolutely nobody.
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Can we please stop calling Florida a quality opponent? Please?
not yet - not enuff information after one game, besides those kids won't be suspended the entire season
same goes for the Longhorns - the Horns might make big strides in the next few weeks
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1) Ohio St
2) Penn State
3) Wisconsin
4) Michigan
5) Northwestern
6) Nebraska
7) Iowa
8 ) Maryland
9) Michigan State
10) Indiana
11) Minnesota
12) Purdue
13) Rutgers
14) Illinois
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Can we please stop calling Florida a quality opponent? Please?
They are routinely one of the best defenses in the country, this year isn't likely to be different.
Offense is hot garbage, but let's not act like their D isn't almost certainly the stiffest test any B1G team faced, and one of the best Michigan is going to see this year.
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They are routinely one of the best defenses in the country, this year isn't likely to be different.
Offense is hot garbage, but let's not act like their D isn't almost certainly the stiffest test any B1G team faced, and one of the best Michigan is going to see this year.
outside of Ohio State- Michigan won't see athletes on defense like that all year long. Florida has a bunch of guys on that defense that will play in the NFL.
It was week one. Florida is going to get better- they still have a great shot at the SEC East. Not exactly a murderers row there. Those 10 guys probably are not going to be suspended all year long. Getting the two starters back- WR Callaway and RB Scarlett back will jump start the offense immediately- those guys are both excellent offensive players- their best players on offense hands down- and getting the other 8 will help improve depth. Franks has serious arm talent. Nowhere to go for that offense but up. They need to fix the breakdowns they had at OL and if they get rid of Nussmeier ASAP they'll improve the offense drastically immediately. Been saying it for awhile- Nuss is hot garbage. He can take talent that should make for even a mediocre, functional offense and make it downright terrible. That's been his MO just about everywhere he's been.
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Michigan will see a great defense the week before it sees Ohio State's defense.
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1. Ohio State
2. Penn State
3. Wisconsin
4. Michigan
5. Iowa
6. Maryland
7. Nebraska
8. Minnesota
9. Michigan State
10. Northwestern
11. Purdue
12. Indiana
13. Rutgers
14. Illinois
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Not many teams in the country have as many 4 and 5 star kids on the field at one time like Texas did.
If they're "rebuilding", you fooled me.
Rebranding maybe, but not rebuilding.
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Can we please stop calling Florida a quality opponent? Please?
You might be right. It's hard to tell in week one.
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Can we please stop calling Florida a quality opponent? Please?
Big Ten certainly did well for itself with some wins over mediocre helmet teams where the optics are far better than beating an equivalent non helmet team.
But both wins were road/neutral and that means something.
That said we also narrowly avoided a few home losses to absolute FBS dregs. Minnesota, Northwestern and Nebraska have A LOT of work to do.
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1) Michigan. Best win of the weekend. Defense reloaded, while the offense had some fixable issues.
2) Ohio State. I'd argue that they had the 2nd best win of the weekend. Depth is awesome, but it kind of looked like same old same old from last year offensively. IU got totally gasses in the 2nd half. Lots to prove still.
3) Wisconsin. Just a gut feel here since it is hard to give too much credit for that win.
4) Penn State. Also a horrible opponent, but did what they were supposed to do.
5) Maryland. Got a nice win that could look really good a few months from now. Musical QBs continues and though I have my doubts, I have to put them at the top of tier 2 for now.
6) Iowa. A team that usually plays down to competition didnt this time. Nice win against a solid opponent.
7) Purdue. Preseason predictions be fanned, they looked pretty good Saturday night. My hesitation is that Louisville has turned in some clunkers against bad teams lately, but I saw enough to have genuine optimism for the Boilers.
8 )Indiana. What a first half. Depth is the big problem, but I think they will be able to hang with top tier teams for a half. Gotta get that running game going though if they want to close out tough games.
9) Rutgers. I don't feel horribly confident here, but they hung tough with a good team. I think we have to start the year fresh and take 77-0 out of our mind.
10) Michigan State. Haven't seen anything yet that tells me they will win more games this year.
11) Nebraska. Another year, another shaky non conference game.
12) Minnesota. Row the boat, but in which direction?
13) Northwestern. See Nebraska.
14) Illinois. Glad most of us got them out of the way.
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I think Indiana might be the best team a Big Ten School played this weekend.
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9) Rutgers. I don't feel horribly confident here, but they hung tough with a good team. I think we have to start the year fresh and take 77-0 out of our mind.
10) Michigan State. Haven't seen anything yet that tells me they will win more games this year.
Yikes, enough to erase 49-0?
I don't think I'll move MSU up in my rankings, but Rutgers certainly didn't show anything to negate the fact that I can erase the fact that they were 49 points worse than the next best Big Ten team last year.
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Michigan will see a great defense the week before it sees Ohio State's defense.
While I agree, it's far to early to confidently say Florida is not a better than average team. It's also too early to talk up Indiana.
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While I agree, it's far to early to confidently say Florida is not a better than average team. It's also too early to talk up Indiana.
Michigan saw a great defense, but a mediocre at best team. I got to witness perhaps one of the best defenses I've ever seen, go 7-6 in 2012. I'm not sure Florida is as good on either side of the ball as 2012 MSU
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Indiana might be a tough out this year, but they have to develop a run game. Florida might have a good defense this year, but a lot of those Muschamp guys are gone, and what they ended up was all right looking, though didn't appear to be all that special. Tough to tell from one game.
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Penn State
Ohio State
Michigan
Wisconsin
Iowa
Maryland
Indiana
Nebraska
Minnesota
Michigan State
Northwestern
Purdue
Rutgers
Illinois
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Last week in parentheses
1. OHIO STATE (1) - certainly not going to drop them after a 28 point road, night, Big Ten win
2. PENN STATE (2) - picking up right where they left off
3. WISCONSIN (3) - need to come out of the gate stronger or I might drop them a spot
4. MICHIGAN (4) - going to need better from Speight
5. IOWA (6) - defense looks stronger than expected
6. MARYLAND (10) - backfield is going to be unpleasant to try and deal with
7. INDIANA (9) - maybe hold off on those "over - rated" chants
8. NORTHWESTERN (5) - Yikes #1
9. MINNESOTA (7) - Yikes #2
10. NEBRASKA (8 ) - Yikes #3
11. MICHIGAN STATE (11) - WMU looks like a tougher game than expected, after giving USC all they could handle in Troy
12. PURDUE (13) - when was the last time there was cause for optimism in West Lafayette?
13. ILLINOIS (12) - thinking they'll be #14 at some point
14. RUTGERS (14) - they were so far behind the pack, it takes more than "not getting blown out at home by a team travelling cross country" for them to leave the cellar
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1. OSU
2. PSU
3. Mich
4. Wisky
5. Iowa
6. Maryland
7. MSU
8. Indiana
9. NW
10. Minn
11. UNL
12. Purdue
13. Ill
14. Rutgers
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I know "we" do this every year because humans apparently love ranking things, and that's fine. But after one week I for one don't know much more than I did preseason. There are four B1G teams that look very solid. There are some that might be OK, and perhaps UMd moved into that group, and some that are probably pathetic.
I couldn't discern whether OSU or PSU is better, or how good UM is or Wisconsin at this point. If Florida magically finds on offense in the coming weeks we might confirm that Michigan has a stout defense.
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I'm pretty certain UM has a stout defense. They have the horses and great coaching.
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The only two things I feel confident in concluding after week one are
- this conference seems tough to me, tougher than usual
- I am glad Wisconsin is not on the schedule for my team. It's bad enough with Maryland and Indiana and MSU and PSU and Iowa at night an Michigan. I see no gimmes anywhere and I see lots of potential losses.
Whoever wins this conference will have earned it.
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The only two things I feel confident in concluding after week one are
- this conference seems tough to me, tougher than usual
- I am glad Wisconsin is not on the schedule for my team. It's bad enough with Maryland and Indiana and MSU and PSU and Iowa at night an Michigan. I see no gimmes anywhere and I see lots of potential losses.
Whoever wins this conference will have earned it.
When Ohio State is challenged by Indiana, I can see why you think that way. Actually the Eastern Division is scary looking. The West -- not so much.
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When Ohio State is challenged by Indiana, I can see why you think that way. Actually the Eastern Division is scary looking. The West -- not so much.
Depends how you look at it I guess. I had said in the pre game thread, I expected Indiana's accurate QB and talented and experienced WR group to be a tough out for OSU's all new corners.
I had said OSUs inexperienced WRs would be challenged by the most experienced defensive backfield in the conference, Indiana's.
I also pointed out that having a conference night game on the road was not easy, as it never is even well into the season. Especially against Indiana, who gave Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan fits last year.
Still, they managed to easily cover the point spread once the game settled in. So..not sure you point is valid.
I was more impressed at Rutgers apparent improvement in size and speed, Marylands overall team speed, Michigans ability to rebuild a great and super fast defense, Iowa's ability to shit down an NFL caliber QB with newish DBs, Purdue' ability to hang with a Heisman QB, Wisconsins stifling defense, and Penn States ability to look like they are in mid season form.
But I do think Indian will give some teams a tough game in their stadium. I also think Oklahoma has a great shot to take down Ohio State for the same reason.....inexperienced corners. You simply can't produce 2-3 NFL first and second rounders that many years in a row and not have it catch up with you.
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Overall I thought it was a great weekend for the B1G. That said, I agree with what some others have stated that it is very difficult to get a true read from one week. Maryland looked great but we have to at least consider the possibility that Texas is simply that bad. Similarly, I'm not sure what to think of Florida/Michigan. Michigan's Defense looked good but that could be Florida's Offense being bad. Michigan's Offense didn't look so good but that could be Florida's Defense being that good. Who knows after one week?
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The only perception I would change after the preseason is to think Maryland might be half decent.
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Yikes, enough to erase 49-0?
I don't think I'll move MSU up in my rankings, but Rutgers certainly didn't show anything to negate the fact that I can erase the fact that they were 49 points worse than the next best Big Ten team last year.
It's a tough balancing act. Just look at MSU-PSU games in 15 and 16 to see how far things can shift in one year. I won't be shocked if Rutgers is again bad, but I saw more life in that game than really any game other than against Minnesota last year. The sample sizes are so small at this point though that it is very difficult to predict.
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Losing the QB for the season will hurt Maryland, which is a shame because they looked to be on a good path.
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The only two things I feel confident in concluding after week one are
- this conference seems tough to me, tougher than usual
- I am glad Wisconsin is not on the schedule for my team. It's bad enough with Maryland and Indiana and MSU and PSU and Iowa at night an Michigan. I see no gimmes anywhere and I see lots of potential losses.
Whoever wins this conference will have earned it.
Well, there is Rutgers.
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IMHO, games involving the four top teams will be decided by luck often as not, just how the ball bounces.
Those four teams will beat the other teams in conference 85% of the time, but each is likely to get upset once along the way unexpectedly.
Somebody is likely to end up 12-1, but might not be better than whoever is 11-2 or 10-2.
I'm not going to quibble over which of those four teams is best at this point, at all.
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Ed Zachery
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Losing the QB for the season will hurt Maryland, which is a shame because they looked to be on a good path.
What happened to Maryland's QB?
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What happened to Maryland's QB?
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-sp-maryland-pigrome-09-05-story.html
Sucks for him, and for the team.
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Penn State
Ohio State
Michigan
Wisconsin
Iowa
Maryland
Indiana
Nebraska
Minnesota
Northwestern
Michigan State
Purdue
Rutgers
Illinois
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-sp-maryland-pigrome-09-05-story.html
Sucks for him, and for the team.
The Hill kid's a nice looking player, was well recruited.
I'm still trying to figure if the Maryland win was more about Maryland being good, an indictment on the longer haul it'll take Texas to get back, or a bit of both. Typically truth lies somewhere in the middle.
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Losing Aniebonam will probably hurt more.
Our offense is run heavy, and Ty Johnson is the 2nd best RB in the B1G.
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Losing Aniebonam will probably hurt more.
Our offense is run heavy, and Ty Johnson is the 2nd best RB in the B1G.
Who?
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Who?
Which name can you not Google?
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TOP
1) PSU (--) - Dominate, no reason to move ranking.
2) M*CH (+2) - Dominate against a good team, moving up.
3) Wisconsin (-1) - More of a 1st half struggle than expected.
4) OSU (-1) - Also struggled, DB got exposed and vertical passing game still missing.
MID
5) Maryland (+1) - just add fairy dust.
6) Iowa (+1) - stop and wave towards the hospital.
7) Nebraska (-2) - last weeks team won't beat the Ducks.
8 ) Northwestern (--)
9) Mich St. (--) - Wanna move 'em up, but not sure who they could beat.
10) Minnesota (--) - rowing in reverse?
BOTTOM
11) Indiana (--)
12) Illinois (--)
13) Purdue (--)
14) Rutgers (--)
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The old thing about improvement from week 1 to week 2 looms. I think a lot of the teams (including mine) played nothing but vanilla last week. Some (including mine) will continue that this week. Others (like OSU) will not have that option.
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Which name can you not Google?
I googled him. I even watched his highlight video.
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Week 1 composite computer rankings (48 computers - last week in parentheses)
1. Alabama (1)
2. OHIO STATE (2)
3. Clemson (3)
4. Oklahoma (4)
5. USC (7)
6. LSU ( 8 )
7. MICHIGAN (10)
8. WISCONSIN (11)
9. PENN STATE (9)
10. Washington (5)
11. Oklahoma State (14)
12. Auburn (12)
13. Stanford (13)
14. Florida State (6)
15. Virginia Tech ( 18 )
16. Georgia (23)
17. Colorado (-)
18. Tennessee (19)
19. Louisville (16)
20. Miami (15)
21. Kansas State (20)
22. Washington State (21)
23. Notre Dame (-)
24. IOWA (-)
25. Florida (17)
28. Northwestern (35)
32. Nebraska (42)
46. Minnesota (41)
58. Michigan State ( 68 )
60. Maryland (79)
73. Indiana (60)
93. Illinois (99)
96. Purdue (102)
106. Rutgers ( 108 )
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1) Penn State
2) Ohio State
3) Michigan
4) Wisconsin
5) Iowa
6) Maryland
7) Michigan State
8 )Northwestern
9) Nebraska
10) Minnesota
11) Indiana
12) Purdue
13) Rutgers
14) Illinois
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I was hiking last weekend and didn't get to see any games so I will just reiterate my preseason rankings then make an adjustment after week 2:
- Ohio State
- Penn State
- Wisconsin
- Michigan
- Iowa
- Nebraska
- Northwestern
- Minnesota
- Michigan State
- Maryland
- Indiana
- Illinois
- Purdue
- Rutgers