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Title: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: rolltidefan on August 02, 2018, 12:34:59 PM
converting this thread to all preseason poll released. will update as they come out. i know you guys love them. :)


AP
link (https://collegefootball.ap.org/poll)


1Alabama421,505
2Clemson181,476
3Georgia1,350
4Wisconsin11,271
5Ohio State1,256
6Washington1,215
7Oklahoma1,173
8Miami (FL)1,027
9Auburn1,013
10Penn State1,012
11Michigan State877
12Notre Dame804
13Stanford778
14Michigan773
15USC543
16TCU533
17West Virginia511
18Mississippi State450
19Florida State384
20Virginia Tech351
21UCF312
22Boise State292
23Texas216
24Oregon148
25LSU106

Others receiving votes: South Carolina 96, Florida 68, Utah 60, Oklahoma St. 51, FAU 38, Arizona 28, NC State 22, Texas A&M 21, Boston College 18, Northwestern 13, Kansas St. 10, Iowa St. 8, Houston 6, Memphis 3, Troy 2, Iowa 2, Kentucky 1, Arkansas St. 1, Fresno St. 1.

Coaches:
link (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2018/08/02/amway-coaches-poll-top-25-college-football-team-outlooks/878563002/)


Dropped out: No. 17 Northwestern (10-3), No. 21 South Florida (10-2), No. 23 North Carolina State (9-4), No. 24 Memphis (10-3).
Other receiving votes: South Carolina (9-4) 138; Florida (4-7) 135; Oregon (7-6) 105; Utah (7-6) 81; Northwestern (10-3) 67; Texas A&M (7-6) 67; Kansas State (8-5) 35; Florida Atlantic (11-3) 27; Boston College (7-6) 23; Memphis (10-3) 23; North Carolina State (9-4) 22; Arkansas State (7-5) 19; Troy (11-2) 19; Appalachian State (9-4) 16; San Diego State (10-3) 15; Iowa (8-5) 8; Iowa State (8-5) 8; Kentucky (7-6) 8; Washington State (9-4) 7; South Florida (10-2) 6; Duke (7-6) 5; Fresno State (10-4) 4; Louisville (8-5) 3; Arizona (7-6) 2; Houston (7-5) 2; Army (10-3) 1; Northern Illinois (8-5) 1.

Sports Illustrated
Link (https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/08/07/rankings-preseason-top-25-polls-clemson-alabama)




CBS
link (https://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/rankings/cbs/129)
they rank all 1-129, to keep it clean on this page, this is only top 25 of that ranking. 1-129 is in thread, page 2 i think.

Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: FearlessF on August 02, 2018, 01:19:04 PM
good to see some faith in the new coach at UCF
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: ELA on August 02, 2018, 01:21:37 PM
Can't really find much to quibble with, I'd have all three Big Ten West teams a touch higher, and I'm not sold on Texas being a top 25 team just yet.  But those are minor things.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: FearlessF on August 02, 2018, 01:25:37 PM
yup, the Horns were up there a year ago pre-season

but, another year with the new coach can be a huge improvement
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: rolltidefan on August 02, 2018, 02:01:06 PM
texas and miami stick out to me as a bit too high. maybe nd. though i'm not sure with which team i'd replace them.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 02, 2018, 02:05:59 PM
Quote from: ELA on August 02, 2018, 01:21:37 PM
Can't really find much to quibble with, I'd have all three Big Ten West teams a touch higher, and I'm not sold on Texas being a top 25 team just yet.  But those are minor things.
Not sure how much more NU has to do to get some respect. They've won 10 games 3 times in the past 6 seasons. Of course, they have laid an egg in between a couple of those, but they've been in the postseason 3 years in a row and won two bowls in a row.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: FearlessF on August 02, 2018, 02:42:02 PM
I'd swap NU with UT
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 02, 2018, 04:14:27 PM
Honestly, it looks great. And for not only a preseason poll but a Coaches one, I'm doubly impressed. 
A little surprised there are zero votes for UNL or Tennessee yet. I don't think they are Top 30 teams, but they will probably finish in the Top 50 and helmets in that range tend to at least get a vote or two.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 02, 2018, 04:34:03 PM
You have seen UNL and Tenn play lately, right?




I mean, that's what The Suck means and looks like.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: ELA on August 02, 2018, 05:26:58 PM
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 02, 2018, 04:14:27 PM
Honestly, it looks great. And for not only a preseason poll but a Coaches one, I'm doubly impressed.
A little surprised there are zero votes for UNL or Tennessee yet. I don't think they are Top 30 teams, but they will probably finish in the Top 50 and helmets in that range tend to at least get a vote or two.
Same, particularly with Nebraska considering the excitement over the new hire.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: Kris61 on August 02, 2018, 05:52:10 PM
I’m high on Texas this year.  Finished 8-5, lost in OT to both Ok St and USC, and was leading Oklahoma with 6:00 left in the game.  If Ehlinger cuts some of his god-awful mistakes from last year I think they’ll be pretty tough.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 03, 2018, 10:14:35 AM
Quote from: ELA on August 02, 2018, 05:26:58 PM
Same, particularly with Nebraska considering the excitement over the new hire.
Yeah, especially given that they've been basically 4th or 5th in the conference in recruiting for the past 4-5 years. They have the talent.
Add competent coaching to weak talent and you get 2017 Purdue finishing at 7-6. Add it to solid talent, particularly in the weaker B1G West, and Frost could turn that around quickly. 
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: ELA on August 03, 2018, 11:53:33 AM
Quote from: bwarbiany on August 03, 2018, 10:14:35 AM
Yeah, especially given that they've been basically 4th or 5th in the conference in recruiting for the past 4-5 years. They have the talent.
Add competent coaching to weak talent and you get 2017 Purdue finishing at 7-6. Add it to solid talent, particularly in the weaker B1G West, and Frost could turn that around quickly.
I wasn't even digging that deep into it.  I didn't have Nebraska anywhere near my top 25.  I'm just thinking how these preseason polls typically go, and you have a helmet program with a new head coach getting a lot of buzz.  Would have thought that would be good for a couple votes, no matter how they've recruited lately.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 03, 2018, 11:56:43 AM
Quote from: bwarbiany on August 03, 2018, 10:14:35 AM
Yeah, especially given that they've been basically 4th or 5th in the conference in recruiting for the past 4-5 years. They have the talent.
Add competent coaching to weak talent and you get 2017 Purdue finishing at 7-6. Add it to solid talent, particularly in the weaker B1G West, and Frost could turn that around quickly.
The type of player they will recruit now will e completely different than what they recruited under Riley.
I expect them to make a bowl game this season, but I don't see them challenging in the West for a few years.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: MikeDeTiger on August 03, 2018, 12:06:24 PM
We play 4 of the top 10 teams in this preseason poll.

Man, it's gonna look good for us when we beat their ass.  I wonder how far they'll drop?
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: rolltidefan on August 03, 2018, 12:09:11 PM
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on August 03, 2018, 12:06:24 PM
We play 4 of the top 10 teams in this preseason poll.

Man, it's gonna look good for us when we beat their ass.  I wonder how far they'll drop?
just low enough to be ranked #2 in the rematch. :)
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: utee94 on August 03, 2018, 12:52:08 PM
Quote from: Kris61 on August 02, 2018, 05:52:10 PM
I’m high on Texas this year.  Finished 8-5, lost in OT to both Ok St and USC, and was leading Oklahoma with 6:00 left in the game.  If Ehlinger cuts some of his god-awful mistakes from last year I think they’ll be pretty tough.
Sure hope you're right about that!
I'd be fine with Texas starting the season unranked, but right now they're sitting about where any helmet that finishes the season with an 8-4 record would be sitting, and I don't think 8-4 is unattainable for the Horns this year.  
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on August 03, 2018, 12:52:14 PM
Another way to look at this (note that I included ND in with the ACC because they are a quasi-member and that I included the "others receiving votes numbered in order after #25):
     
#/ConferenceSECACCB1GB12PACMWAACC-USASun BeltIndMAC
1#1 Bama#2 Clemson#3 tOSU#5 OU#6 UW#22 Boise#23 UCF#33 FAU#37 ArkSt#51 Army#52 No Ill
2#4 UGA#8 Miami#7 UW#16 TCU#13 Stan#40 SDSU#34 Memphis#38 Troy
3#10 Auburn#11 ND#9 PSU#20 WVU#15 USC#47 Fresno#45 USF#39 ApSt
4#18 MissSt#17 VaTech#12 MSU#21 TX#28 Ore#50 Houston
5#24 LSU#19 FSU#14 M#25 OkSU#29 Utah
6#26 USCe#35 BC#31 NU#32 KSU#44 WSU
7#27 UF#36 NCST#43 IA#42 ISU#49 Zona
8#30 aTm#46 Dook
9#41 UK#48 Louisville
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on August 03, 2018, 12:53:00 PM
Yet another way to look at this (same notes as above):
SECACCB1GB12PACMWAACC-USASun BeltIndMAC
1#1 Bama
2#2 Clemson
3#3 tOSU
4#4 UGA
5#5 OU
6#6 UW
7#7 UW
8#8 Miami
9#9 PSU
10#10 Auburn
11#11 ND
12#12 MSU
13#13 Stan
14#14 M
15#15 USC
16#16 TCU
17#17 VaTech
18#18 MissSt
19#19 FSU
20#20 WVU
21#21 TX
22#22 Boise
23#23 UCF
24#24 LSU
25#25 OkSU
26#26 USCe
27#27 UF
28#28 Ore
29#29 Utah
30#30 aTm
31#31 NU
32#32 KSU
33#33 FAU
34#34 Memphis
35#35 BC
36#36 NCST
37#37 ArkSt
38#38 Troy
39#39 ApSt
40#40 SDSU
41#41 UK
42#42 ISU
43#43 IA
44#44 WSU
45#45 USF
46#46 Dook
47#47 Fresno
48#48 Louisville
49#49 Zona
50#50 Houston
51#51 Army
52#52 No Ill
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on August 03, 2018, 01:00:49 PM
What I think my two posts above this illustrate about these rankings and the conferences (assuming the rankings are exactly accurate.  We all know that they aren't, but just for the purpose of discussion I'm assuming that they are):

SEC:
If there is a weakness it is that they are a bit soft in the middle.  They have #1 and two of the top-4 but after that they are a little scarce.  They only have one team in the #5-#17 range while the other P5 conferences all have more than that.  

ACC:
Solid, never #1 but never far from it.  

B1G:
Very strong top-5 but a major drop-off after that and not quite as deep as the SEC and ACC.  

B12/PAC:
Not quite as strong as the top-3, but not all that far off either.  

MW/AAC:
They may look P5-like with three and four teams ranked or receiving votes but they are nowhere close.  Their #1 teams would be 5th in the SEC, 6th in the ACC, 6th in the B1G, 5th in the B12, and 4th in the PAC.  

Sun Belt/Independents/MAC:
Not even on the same page.  
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 03, 2018, 02:51:09 PM
We play 5 of the top 26 teams, but that's pretty par for the course.  Nice to play LSU at home yet again, lol.  
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 03, 2018, 02:56:12 PM
Lots of opportunities for big wins this year. Michigan plays 5 of the preseason Top 12.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: FearlessF on August 03, 2018, 03:02:09 PM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 03, 2018, 11:56:43 AM
The type of player they will recruit now will e completely different than what they recruited under Riley.
I expect them to make a bowl game this season, but I don't see them challenging in the West for a few years.
not this fall, but fall of 2019.  Better book your trip to Lincoln for the Badger game on November 16, 2019
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on August 03, 2018, 04:16:37 PM
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 03, 2018, 02:56:12 PM
Lots of opportunities for big wins this year. Michigan plays 5 of the preseason Top 12.
It is even bigger, and tougher than that.  On Michigan's schedule this year (ranked and receiving votes):
Yikes, there are a lot of "@'s" in there.  Road trips to three preseason top-12 teams are tough orders.  

Ohio State's schedule appears somewhat easier mostly because the Buckeyes do not have any ranked B1G-W opponents:
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: FearlessF on August 03, 2018, 05:04:55 PM
On Nebraska's schedule this year (ranked and receiving votes):

@#3 Ohio State
@#7 Wisconsin
#12 Michigan State
@#14 Michigan
@#31 Northwestern
#38 Troy
@#41 Iowa

Five @'s

Luckily they get Troy at home
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: ALA2262 on August 03, 2018, 06:37:33 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on August 03, 2018, 05:04:55 PM
On Nebraska's schedule this year (ranked and receiving votes):

@#3 Ohio State
@#7 Wisconsin
#12 Michigan State
@#14 Michigan
@#31 Northwestern
#38 Troy
@#41 Iowa

Five @'s

Luckily they get Troy at home
That's what LSU said last year.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: FearlessF on August 03, 2018, 07:11:13 PM
fingers crossed

Luckily, Frost gets to warm up with Akron and Colorado to get the kinks out
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: LittlePig on August 03, 2018, 09:14:34 PM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on August 03, 2018, 12:52:14 PM
Another way to look at this (note that I included ND in with the ACC because they are a quasi-member and that I included the "others receiving votes numbered in order after #25):
    
#/ConferenceSECACCB1GB12PACMWAACC-USASun BeltIndMAC
1#1 Bama#2 Clemson#3 tOSU#5 OU#6 UW#22 Boise#23 UCF#33 FAU#37 ArkSt#51 Army#52 No Ill
2#4 UGA#8 Miami#7 UW#16 TCU#13 Stan#40 SDSU#34 Memphis#38 Troy
3#10 Auburn#11 ND#9 PSU#20 WVU#15 USC#47 Fresno#45 USF#39 ApSt
4#18 MissSt#17 VaTech#12 MSU#21 TX#28 Ore#50 Houston
5#24 LSU#19 FSU#14 M#25 OkSU#29 Utah
6#26 USCe#35 BC#31 NU#32 KSU#44 WSU
7#27 UF#36 NCST#43 IA#42 ISU#49 Zona
8#30 aTm#46 Dook
9#41 UK#48 Louisville

Hey!  Iowa is #41, not #43 !
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: LittlePig on August 03, 2018, 09:18:18 PM
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 03, 2018, 02:56:12 PM
Lots of opportunities for big wins this year. Michigan plays 5 of the preseason Top 12.
Or an opportunity to lose 5 or more games.  Good luck!
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: Mdot21 on August 03, 2018, 09:27:04 PM
can't get a real read on Michigan. Schedule is hard but that defense should be loaded and keep them in every game. RB duo is solid with Higdon and Evans. The young WR talent needs to mature, but a healthy Tarik Black and DPJ is as talented a duo as there is the country. Both those guys have 1st round NFL talent and I don't think that's hyperbole at all. Black came in super polished for a true frosh and he has great ball skills in the air. DPJ is just on another level freakish. The complete package with strength, explosion, speed, leaping ability. This kid ran a laser timed 4.42 and put up a 45" vertical as a sophomore in high school. Grant Perry should be a reliable slot WR that can help move the chains, maybe won't provide big plays but he's just a solid receiver. The TE room is really nice.

How they do really all depends on how well Warriner can get that OL unit to play and whether or not Shea Patterson is the real deal. He was rated really high for a reason- and he won the Elite 11 MVP and Army Bowl MVP for a reason- kid has a lot of pure talent. He wasn't very consistent at Ole Miss but then again he was young and has only played in 10 games total. From a raw talent standpoint he's by far the most talented QB that Harbaugh's had to work with at Michigan thus far. Only time will tell how well he actually performs in the games. If Warriner can get that OL playing at even an above average level that will help out Patterson a lot. If that OL is really shaky again this year then Patterson will struggle.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 04, 2018, 12:38:25 AM
The only worry I'd have with Patterson is turnovers.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: Temp430 on August 04, 2018, 09:32:09 AM
I like Michigan’s spot.  Four Big Ten opponents and the Irish ranked above.  Thank you.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: Mdot21 on August 04, 2018, 11:36:27 PM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 04, 2018, 12:38:25 AM
The only worry I'd have with Patterson is turnovers.
yeah, his TD to INT ratio at Ole Miss in 10 games was 2:1. Not great.
He's definitely got a lot of talent though. I've watched most of his games. Talent is evident. Quick, compact throwing motion. Accurate passer, not a cannon arm but he's got plus arm strength- can make all the throws. Athletic and light on his feet. Throws on the run really well. He's probably not the 6'2 he's listed at, probably more like 6'1 and change, but that's not a real problem. He can get a little careless with the ball and try and do too much, as most young QB's with his kind of talent are prone to do.
He's a hell of a lot more talented than Jake Rudock, Wilton Speight, or John O'Korn. I'd feel a lot better about this marriage if he had transferred last year and redshirted. At least he got to go through spring ball and he'll have a full fall camp. Harbaugh really needs to change that offense A LOT and simplify things for Patterson if he is going to have success. I have my doubts about Harbaugh doing those things.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason coaches poll is out
Post by: Cincydawg on August 05, 2018, 08:15:39 AM
UGA plays 24 and 10 , and 26 and 27 if you count that far down.

A P5 team can start at 30 and go 12-1 and USUALLY make the playoffs.

I'm interested to see how FSU, Miami, and Purdue fare this year.  

I suspect Oklahoma is going to miss Mayfield (duh), he was really good.  These days Clemson gets penciled in near the top every year which is a testimony to their program how.

Usually the top 3 end up in the top 10, the other 7 end up in the top 20 save one bust, and then you have a mixture, with some team from the 10-20 range making the playoffs.



Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (coaches, si)
Post by: rolltidefan on August 07, 2018, 01:28:04 PM
updated with si poll
Sports Illustrated
Link (https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/08/07/rankings-preseason-top-25-polls-clemson-alabama)

Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (coaches, si)
Post by: rolltidefan on August 07, 2018, 01:31:19 PM
@Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1) how do i get the spaces out of there.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (coaches, si)
Post by: ELA on August 07, 2018, 01:34:10 PM
Quote from: rolltidefan on August 07, 2018, 01:31:19 PM
@Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1) how do i get the spaces out of there.
You can't.  You have to do it as an ordered or unordered list, or a table
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (coaches, si)
Post by: rolltidefan on August 07, 2018, 01:38:26 PM
Quote from: ELA on August 07, 2018, 01:34:10 PM
You can't.  You have to do it as an ordered or unordered list, or a table
thanks
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (coaches, si)
Post by: Drew4UTk on August 07, 2018, 01:42:31 PM
Quote from: rolltidefan on August 07, 2018, 01:31:19 PM
@Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1) how do i get the spaces out of there.
would you like the long answer or the truncated one?  :57:
truncated:  
you can't.... 
long:  
We're using WYSIWYG editor that is more than a little long in the tooth, it's flat out dated.  there is no known exploits to it, though, which is why the developers of this engine stick with it- that, and it would require a massive amount of rewriting code to use another wysiwyg editor that has all kinds of bells and whistles, along with about the same number of exploits... 
there IS an editor out there they (the coders of this engine) have blessed free of exploits that will get the job done, but.... by the time they're done re-coding the entire engine they would have a new one altogether.  ..... and as it turns out, that is their 'plan'... the engine replacing this one is in beta production but has bugs- as you would imagine a beta suite does... when it is ready for production i'll update the site here and the editor issues/limitations will be a thing of the past.  it'll happen... at some point... even they don't have a projected day of release... but they've spent WAY too much time working on it to let it die... so.... it's just a matter of time. 
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: rolltidefan on August 07, 2018, 05:02:55 PM
CBS

Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: Cincydawg on August 08, 2018, 07:06:52 AM
Think about how much helmetosity influences those rankings with teams like LSU and Auburn.  Polled folks are "comfortable" with their being up there.  If there is some doubt, they get dropped to 24th, when perhaps they should be 40th replaced by Middle Kentucky State College.

Or Oklahoma State.

Bama and Clemson and Ohio State have "earned" their helmet of late.  I think Oklahoma may "miss" a certain QB more than they know, but perhaps they have some nearly as good in waiting.

The B12 is perhaps the most competitive conference out there?
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 08, 2018, 01:44:51 PM
Yeah, anything can happen when the losing team puts up 40+ points.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: bayareabadger on August 08, 2018, 01:52:47 PM
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 08, 2018, 07:06:52 AM
Think about how much helmetosity influences those rankings with teams like LSU and Auburn.  Polled folks are "comfortable" with their being up there.  If there is some doubt, they get dropped to 24th, when perhaps they should be 40th replaced by Middle Kentucky State College.
Are ... are either of those teams too high right now? Or is this a more general thing?
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 08, 2018, 02:37:49 PM
Yeah, I feel like Aurburn is well placed, perhaps more likely to be underrated than overrated. And LSU is sort of in the meh-could-be-decent zone I'd expect them to be.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: ELA on August 08, 2018, 02:50:03 PM
Quote from: bayareabadger on August 08, 2018, 01:52:47 PM
Are ... are either of those teams too high right now? Or is this a more general thing?
I think LSU is in major trouble.  I had them #41 in my countdown.
On the other hand, I think Auburn will still be really good, but people around here seem to be down on them, based on the feedback I got about having them #4.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: MikeDeTiger on August 08, 2018, 02:55:33 PM
LSU is tough to peg right now for understandable reasons.  I do suspect some are ranking it based on the schedule they see and not how good they think the team is likely to be.  Definite questions on offense.  What else is new.  The defense should be somewhere between "really good" and "amazing."  I don't know how much actual analysis people are doing on personnel and how much is "Didn't they just lose to Troy?"  (Which is understandable, when that happens, you earn whatever disrespect you feel you're garnering.)  

My biggest question is can Orgeron be a good (great?) gameday coach?  He does a lot of good things in prep and other areas, but he often feels Meh as far as a sideline presence to correct real-time problems.  His HC record is still a suspicious entity at this point.  

I'm optimistic they'll beat the 7-5 many are giving them, despite the schedule.  They'll be markedly better on both LOS this year, it's a team that just went 9-4, narrowly missed 11-2, achieved a 6-2 conference record--best since 2012, the end of the "Elite Miles" years--and LSU getting to at least 8 wins has been the most reliable thing in the SEC this millennium.  Their preseason ranking is fair imo.  Lot of questions to answer, lots of room for disappointment, probably a year away, but should be a handful for anybody they play.  

Auburn is probably fair enough as well.  Malzahn is a good coach and they recruit well.  
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: rolltidefan on August 22, 2018, 09:27:14 AM
and ap finally joined in on the fun.

AP
link (https://collegefootball.ap.org/poll)

1Alabama421,505
2Clemson181,476
3Georgia1,350
4Wisconsin11,271
5Ohio State1,256
6Washington1,215
7Oklahoma1,173
8Miami (FL)1,027
9Auburn1,013
10Penn State1,012
11Michigan State877
12Notre Dame804
13Stanford778
14Michigan773
15USC543
16TCU533
17West Virginia511
18Mississippi State450
19Florida State384
20Virginia Tech351
21UCF312
22Boise State292
23Texas216
24Oregon148
25LSU106

Others receiving votes: South Carolina 96, Florida 68, Utah 60, Oklahoma St. 51, FAU 38, Arizona 28, NC State 22, Texas A&M 21, Boston College 18, Northwestern 13, Kansas St. 10, Iowa St. 8, Houston 6, Memphis 3, Troy 2, Iowa 2, Kentucky 1, Arkansas St. 1, Fresno St. 1.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: Cincydawg on August 22, 2018, 10:24:59 AM
The top ten seems to be virtually the same in every ranking.  I can recall that CFN would throw in some oddities each year to attract attention.  None of these vary much from a composite poll of them all until you get further down, and even then ...

Have I ever mentioned how these don't matter? 

They are entertaining of course and they do provide a notion about how tough certain opponents should be.

I rewatched the Bama-FSU game in part the other night and was impressed with how FSU was competitive.

It's THAT time of year.  The wife keeps asking me when it all starts.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: Cincydawg on August 22, 2018, 10:43:42 AM
Another way to view rankings is something like this:

1-5 Teams coming of a very good year with few apparent holes
5-10 Teams coming of a good year that have some question marks but not many and have helmets
10-20 Teams with quite a few question marks but could be very good if something goes their way
20-30 Teams we're really guessing about but have some shot at being decent
40 and below - mostly teams that are coming off a mediocre to bad year and nothing appears to have changed.

I wonder what the highest ranking achieved by a 40 and below team has been over the past decade.

UGA last year started somewhere 15 or so, and I stated that IF their OL improved they could be very good.  The OL improved a LOT and was a strength of the team and despite losing their starting QB they excelled.  I look at the OL quality and experience coupled with having a returning QB with experience as critical factors.  Yes, they will need a credible defense, but few teams without a good OL are going to end up top ten.

Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: ELA on August 22, 2018, 12:39:31 PM
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 22, 2018, 10:43:42 AM
I wonder what the highest ranking achieved by a 40 and below team has been over the past decade.
40 in the AP Poll?
By year the highest ranked team in the final AP Poll that was outside the top 40 in the preseason AP Poll (plus highest P5/BCS school if highest is Group of 5):
2017 - Central Florida (#6) / Michigan State (#15)
2016 - Penn State (#7)
2015 - Houston (#8) / Iowa (#9)
2014 - Georgia Tech (#8)
2013 - Auburn (#2)
2012 - Utah State (#16) / Northwestern (#17)
2011 - Baylor (#13)
2010 - Nevada (#11) / Oklahoma State (#13)
2009 - Wisconsin (#16)
2008 - TCU (#7) / Ole Miss (#14)
So the answer is 2013 Auburn, who had no votes coming off a 3-9 season that saw them go winless in SEC play on cost Gene Chizek his job, and replaced with Malzahn.  Auburn didn't show up in the poll until October 13, and probably didn't deserve it at that point at 5-1 with 4 cupcake wins and a home win over #24 Ole Miss, along with a 2 touchdown loss at LSU.  They won on the road at #7 Texas A&M to shoot up to #11, then beat 3 straight unranked teams, but that included road wins at Arkansas and Tennessee to move up to #7.  They closed with home wins over #25 Georgia and #1 Alabama, and an SEC Championship Game win over #5 Missouri.  When Michigan State upset #2 Ohio State, that opened the door for Auburn to slide up to #2 and play for a national title.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 22, 2018, 02:45:27 PM
That Auburn team was the closest thing we've had to the veer or triple option teams of yesteryear.  And like '98 Tennessee, they had a miracle finish to a game they had no business winning (UGA).  
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: Cincydawg on August 22, 2018, 03:26:27 PM
Good stuff around here.  Some of youse should get paid for it.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: Cincydawg on August 22, 2018, 03:28:01 PM
I'm surprised at how many out of the top 40 end up ranked, about one a year.

I guess going from 40 to 25 isn't that much really.  I think teams ranked after about 20th preseason reflect more guesswork and helmet than analysis.

Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: rolltidefan on August 22, 2018, 04:10:00 PM
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 22, 2018, 03:28:01 PM
I'm surprised at how many out of the top 40 end up ranked, about one a year.

I guess going from 40 to 25 isn't that much really.  I think teams ranked after about 20th preseason reflect more guesswork and helmet than analysis.


unless i read that wrong, that's only the top ranked team from 40+. i'd bet at least 3-4 each year on average are ranked. 40-60 isn't that far back, and can be the difference of 2 games.
people expecting arkansas to go 7-5, which would put them in that 40-60 range, but say they upset lsu and aTm and finish 9-3, that's a top25 record for them likely. and that's not that big of a swing (both home games).
i'd bet there's at least 3-4 of those out there each year.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: ELA on August 22, 2018, 04:16:48 PM
Quote from: rolltidefan on August 22, 2018, 04:10:00 PM
unless i read that wrong, that's only the top ranked team from 40+. i'd bet at least 3-4 each year on average are ranked. 40-60 isn't that far back, and can be the difference of 2 games.
people expecting arkansas to go 7-5, which would put them in that 40-60 range, but say they upset lsu and aTm and finish 9-3, that's a top25 record for them likely. and that's not that big of a swing (both home games).
i'd bet there's at least 3-4 of those out there each year.
Correct, the original question was just about the highest ranked.  I didn't list out how many there were each year, nor do I plan to.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: Cincydawg on August 22, 2018, 05:04:15 PM
Yeah good point, and no, don't bother with the additional effort.

Going from sub-40 to top ten would be the relevant question, not top 25 for reasons noted.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on August 24, 2018, 10:46:17 AM
Since it is out, AP Poll total appearances from this source (http://www.collegepollarchive.com/football/ap/app_total.cfm?sort=totapp&from=1936&to=2018#.W4AXH85Ki70):

Total AP Poll appearances (out of 1,136 polls from 1936-2018):

Top 10 Appearances:

Top 5 Appearances:

Appearances at #1:
I'll be rooting for Louisville on September 1.  I know that @rolltidefan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=12) would do the same thing if the situation were reversed.  
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on August 24, 2018, 10:46:49 AM
UGH, that looks ugly, I'll try to edit/clean it up.  
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on August 24, 2018, 10:48:12 AM
That made it worse.  Apparently I need to transcribe the list to get it to post readable.  
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on August 24, 2018, 11:27:22 AM
AP Poll current Streaks:

AP Poll appearance streaks:
FWIW:

Top-10 appearance streaks:
*The site claims that this is updated through August 20 but it obviously isn't because UCF and TCU are NOT ranked in the top-10 in the current poll.  The last two teams should be Miami, FL and Washington.  
FWIW:

Top 5 appearance streaks:
*Wisconsin should be included instead of Oklahoma.
FWIW:

Appearance at #1 streak:
FWIW:
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: Cincydawg on August 24, 2018, 05:35:13 PM
Good stuff.

I doubt Ohio State can pass Ohio State though.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: Cincydawg on November 29, 2018, 11:37:31 AM
Quote from: FearlessF on August 02, 2018, 01:19:04 PM
good to see some faith in the new coach at UCF
And it was well placed too.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 29, 2018, 04:58:18 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on August 03, 2018, 07:11:13 PM
fingers crossed

Luckily, Frost gets to warm up with Akron and Colorado to get the kinks out
ouch  :57:
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: Cincydawg on November 29, 2018, 05:00:49 PM
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 05, 2018, 08:15:39 AM
UGA plays 24 and 10 , and 26 and 27 if you count that far down.

A P5 team can start at 30 and go 12-1 and USUALLY make the playoffs.

I'm interested to see how FSU, Miami, and Purdue fare this year.  

I suspect Oklahoma is going to miss Mayfield (duh), he was really good.  These days Clemson gets penciled in near the top every year which is a testimony to their program how.

Usually the top 3 end up in the top 10, the other 7 end up in the top 20 save one bust, and then you have a mixture, with some team from the 10-20 range making the playoffs.




FSU and Miami were pretty bad, Purdue had their day in the sun.  OU didn't really miss Mayfield much.  UGA ended up playing 3 currently ranked teams, losing to one.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: Cincydawg on November 29, 2018, 05:49:42 PM
Quote from: Kris61 on August 02, 2018, 05:52:10 PM
I’m high on Texas this year.  Finished 8-5, lost in OT to both Ok St and USC, and was leading Oklahoma with 6:00 left in the game.  If Ehlinger cuts some of his god-awful mistakes from last year I think they’ll be pretty tough.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: Cincydawg on November 29, 2018, 05:52:47 PM
Quote from: ELA on August 08, 2018, 02:50:03 PM
I think LSU is in major trouble.  I had them #41 in my countdown.
On the other hand, I think Auburn will still be really good, but people around here seem to be down on them, based on the feedback I got about having them #4.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: utee94 on November 29, 2018, 05:53:52 PM
Look at the Big Brain on Kris! ;)

Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: FearlessF on November 29, 2018, 08:06:15 PM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 29, 2018, 04:58:18 PM
ouch  :57:
not much luck in Lincoln the past couple seasons
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 29, 2018, 10:33:06 PM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 08, 2018, 01:44:51 PM
Yeah, anything can happen when the losing team puts up 40+ points.
My early thinking of "twelving"....
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: Cincydawg on November 30, 2018, 07:44:43 AM
If we take the AP top 16 or so, teams in red did significantly worse than expected, and in green somewhat better.  My memory is that usually 3 of the top ten fade pretty significantly each year so this is right on target, so to speak.  The next 6 had 3 more who faded, that perhaps is a bit higher than normal.  Only ND did better than expected, though from 12 there isn't much room to do better.  Penn State did somewhat worse but could end up ranked.  Ergo, preseason polls aren't "useless", but they are of course not perfect either, nor are any of us.  The top three in a preseason poll almost always end up ranked in the top ten.

1Alabama421,505
2Clemson181,476
3Georgia1,350
4Wisconsin11,271
5Ohio State1,256
6Washington1,215
7Oklahoma1,173
8Miami (FL)1,027
9Auburn1,013
10Penn State1,012
11Michigan State877
12Notre Dame804
13Stanford778
14Michigan773
15USC543
16TCU533
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 30, 2018, 06:35:11 PM
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 29, 2018, 05:00:49 PM
FSU and Miami were pretty bad, Purdue had their day in the sun.  OU didn't really miss Mayfield much.  UGA ended up playing 3 currently ranked teams, losing to one.

Exhibit A on returning starters being absurdly overrated:  look no further than QB at Oklahoma:
2012 - Landry Jones throws 1,000 times for tons of yards and TDs 
"That's okay, the Bell-dozer will be our Tebow"
2013 - Bell isn't the thrower Jones was, doesn't even run much, nary a rushing TD
"Yeah, but that Knight kid really took it to Bama"
2014 - Knight is very average, almost as many INT as TD, OU loses 5 games
"Crap, man, Knight stinks"
2015 - Knight supplanted by Mayfield, who plays great.
2016 - Mayfield sets new single-season QB rating record
2017 - Mayfield breaks his own singe-season rating record
"Aww damn, Mayfield is gone, what now?"
2018 - Kyler Murray comes in, has a better rating than Mayfield AND runs for 900 yds, 11 TD
So maybe not specifically 'returning starters,' but more 'it's hard to prognosticate the future with any accuracy.' 
Uncertainty at a position group doesn't mean it'll be a weakness.  A guy who flashes greatness won't necessarily be great when he's THE guy.  
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: Cincydawg on November 30, 2018, 06:39:05 PM
So, we're mostly guessing, but putting Bama at #1 seems safe.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2018, 09:03:16 AM
so, the Badgers "Zona-ed"

Zona started #4 in 1999?

great list here............

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/6/27/15711654/most-overrated-teams-ever-ap-preseason-poll (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/6/27/15711654/most-overrated-teams-ever-ap-preseason-poll)

2000: One everybody can enjoy! Alabama went from No. 3 to 3-8! Shut out by Southern Miss! Lost to UCF! It gets worse: this year contributed to a two-year bowl ban. It gets worse: one assistant who was out of a job because of this season would beat the Tide in the 2016 title game.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: Cincydawg on December 01, 2018, 09:22:14 AM
Pretty funny.
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2018, 09:40:23 AM
yup, 

Lost to UCF!
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 01, 2018, 11:02:25 AM
Well King Saban himself lost to Louisiana-Monroe his first year with the Tide.  
Title: Re: 2018 preseason polls (ap, coaches, si, cbs)
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2018, 12:03:19 PM
he lost more than a few in the Big Ten