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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on June 27, 2018, 05:10:01 AM
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Vote to see results. College career only. Enjoy yourself!
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I wanted to vote for (likely) the only Supreme Court justice here, but this is limited to their college career.
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I wanted to vote for (likely) the only Supreme Court justice here, but this is limited to their college career.
I think you should be the next nominee.
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LeVeon Bell might be deserving. Although his numbers aren't as good as I'd expect. But vs James Conner, eh
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Nicknames count.
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I haven't been perfect, but as long as I avoid forgetting about a potential winner of a number, I can live with it. Bell, Ringer, or Conner, doesn't really matter too much.
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We could reminisce if I put Knowshon Moreno or OJ McDuffie on there, but they ain't winning, ya know?
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I assumed DA would not win this, but I voted for him because of what he meant to that team. Kinnick should win, imo.
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We could reminisce if I put Knowshon Moreno or OJ McDuffie on there, but they ain't winning, ya know?
Yup, thought of Moreno, but he would probably not get a vote, so no miss, solid player, for two seasons.
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I voted White because he had the best name, and because I got to speak with him once, years ago.
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I know there is no real debate on who is the best, but to list Nile Kinnick as RB seems to limit the actual role he played for his team.
Kinnick also played DB and many other positions. He still to this day shares the Iowa single season record for interceptions (8) and all time interceptions (18). When the Big Ten recently named its all time Big Ten team, they put Kinnick at DB.
1939, Iowa finished the year ranked ninth in the AP Poll (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP_Poll) with a 6-1-1 record. Kinnick threw for 638 yards and 11 touchdowns on only 31 passes and ran for 374 yards. He was involved in 16 of the 19 touchdowns (11 passing, 5 rushing) that Iowa scored and was involved in 107 of the 130 points that Iowa scored that year. He played 402 of a possible 420 minutes that season. All told, Kinnick set 14 school records, some of which still stand today.
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When you have a stadium in the B1G named after you, you should probably be winning this kind of contest.
I only voted for Joe Washington ('Silver Shoes') only to recognize him. He kind of gets lost in the elite RB discussion (especially 1970s) because he didn't pull down the Heisman. Two time AA, 6 yard a pop, 2 MNCs including the AP 1/2 they won while on probation. Sandwiched between Greg Pruitt and later Billy Sims. Switzer always joked that Archie's two Heismans belong to Joe Washington.
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See, I didn't forecast so many people ignoring what these guys did on the field and picking the best one. lol
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voted Washington
but, won't be unhappy to see Kinnick win
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I know there is no real debate on who is the best, but to list Nile Kinnick as RB seems to limit the actual role he played for his team.
Kinnick also played DB and many other positions. He still to this day shares the Iowa single season record for interceptions (8) and all time interceptions (18). When the Big Ten recently named its all time Big Ten team, they put Kinnick at DB.
1939, Iowa finished the year ranked ninth in the AP Poll (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP_Poll) with a 6-1-1 record. Kinnick threw for 638 yards and 11 touchdowns on only 31 passes and ran for 374 yards. He was involved in 16 of the 19 touchdowns (11 passing, 5 rushing) that Iowa scored and was involved in 107 of the 130 points that Iowa scored that year. He played 402 of a possible 420 minutes that season. All told, Kinnick set 14 school records, some of which still stand today.
I did not vote. I am late.
I would have added a vote for Nile Kinnick.
In addition to what the Pig states, Nile Kinnick drop kicked the extra point that defeated Notre Dame 7-6, in 1939. On his 16th punt of the Notre Dame game he sent it 63 yards, pinning the Irish at their own 6-yard line with less than two minutes remaining. Remember, the pigskin was more like a rugby ball then, and 63-yards would be an incredible punt by today's standard, let alone a guy punting who stood just 5'8". The ball changed shape again to its present form in 1941. He threw, caught, and as a halfback ran, and also played DB. He was one of Iowa's Ironmen. They were few and seldom left the field. He kicked, place kicked, and punted. Nile Kinnick did everything on the field, and he could speak, too! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt34q7o9r00
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Before 1939, Iowa had not won a Big Ten game since 1933. Think about the importance of Nile Kinnick to what happened in 1939. It wasn't just him, but he was a lot of it. And within 2-years he went down.
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One of the problems with looking at the numbers is that players can only play during their own era. Things have changed a lot, so Melvin Gordon has better numbers than Byron White and on today's field he would be the better player, but for the game at the time, was he better? That's the question that I'm trying to answer with my votes here. For me the question is who was the most dominant player in his game/era to wear the number.
Quarterbacks today will all have better passing numbers than those of yesteryear, but are they actually better players? It's similar to OAM's thoughts about quarterbacks who don't play in the P5--their better numbers don't mean they were better players, it means they faced different circumstances.
Which is a long way of saying this is all highly subjective.
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Looking at and using the stats in a vacuum is stupid and no one is suggesting that. You use them in the proper context. It's not either stats OR eye test/reputation/etc. All stats should be utilized in context, not thrown out altogether.
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problem with stats is that each individual has their own perception of given stats
as you say, it's what makes the discussions interesting