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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on June 23, 2018, 07:52:07 PM
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We had a tie, so hopefully this will break the tie.
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;)
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sorry.. homer vote. =)
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Husker Prick Squad rides again!
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Rushing stats only:
Frazier - 1,955 yds.....5.7 ypc....36 TD
Tebow - 2,947 yds.....4.3 ypc....57 TD
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Rushing stats only:
Frazier - 1,955 yds.....5.7 ypc....36 TD
Tebow - 2,947 yds.....4.3 ypc....57 TD
What about 75-yard runs vs. Florida, huh?
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brought the average up
Tommie Frazier- The Greatest Run In College Football History - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnpmicc87zI)
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Hmmm, let's see. Originally we had Frazier, Tebow, and Brees, didn't we?
Passing:
Brees - 61.1% comp, 7.0 ypa, 90 TD, 45 Int, 132.5 rating
Tebow- 66.4% comp, 9.3 ypa, 88 TD, 16 Int, 170.8 rating
Rushing (again):
Frazier - 1,955 yds, 5.7 ypc, 36 TD
Tebow - 2,947 yds, 4.3 ypc, 57 TD
25% of the voters picked Brees over Tebow. 37.5% picked Frazier over him. 62.5% of voters picked against Tebow. I guess he's not the best to ever wear #15.
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Sometimes people are influenced by things like, 3 time MNC bowl game MVP, the first of which he was on the losing team.
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Yeah, 2 natties each
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TF essentially missed his junior year as well, playing in only three "complete" games.
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I think we get these idealized ideas in our minds about certain players. Frazier could run and he limited his interceptions. He was a good passer for an option QB. But that yields a sub-50 completion percentage. Tebow could run. Most rushing TDs in SEC history. And he still remains the 4th most efficient QB in college football history (with a high volume of pass attempts).
Simplified, it's a guy who could run vs a guy who could run and pass. It's easy. But it's not, evidently.
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I'm obviously not completely objective here, but I'm not sure what else Tebow would have had to do in order to win this silly little competition. He has wins. Rings. Volume. Scoring. Efficiency. What is he lacking? What more could he have done?
The one year he didn't start, he scored 13 combined TDs. Florida doesn't win the MNC in '06 w/o him. The one year he didn't go 13-1, he scored 55 combined TDs and won the Heisman. In his non-Heisman years, Florida went 39-3. He led Florida to a 13-1 record with Percy Harvin and then still 13-1 without him.
He did a lot just to lose out to the mythology of Tommie Frazier, huh? Is Mt. Olympus in Nebraska?
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I suppose Osborne could have called QB sneaks each time the team got inside the 5 yard line to run up Frazier's TD numbers, but............
then Tommie wouldn't have 5.7 yards per carry - including sacks
maybe Tebow should have played at Nebraska - helmet status!
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Maybe Tom could have called 10 bubble passes a game to run up those passing efficiency numbers as well? LOL
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Really? 10 a game? I think you're thinking of
a - Florida under Ron Zook, or
b - Tim Couch of Kentucky
I make points with evidence, and the response is silliness. Tebow didn't have lots of rushing TDs to pad his stats. He had them because his coach was smart. And if his TDs were so easy to come by, why hadn't anyone ever done it before?
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TO should have had Frazier complete more jump passes...
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:72: brilliant
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=)
On an SEC board, the results would be the opposite. It really matters little in the end that you are wrong and we are right..... heh
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I make points with evidence, and the response is silliness.
You made your points, and the results were a decision in favor of Tommie Lamont Frazier.
You'd have to ask each individual what else Tim could have done to garner their vote but I can tell you that, for the clear majority of them, the answer doesn't lie in the stats.
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OAM, just thought you should know, I went with Tebow. :-)
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Me too.
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Are we gonna have to start talking about pies on this thread?
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On an SEC board, the results would be the opposite. It really matters little in the end that you are wrong and we are right..... heh
Imagine a world with objectivity.....whoa.
I'm happily going along with the results here, it doesn't matter to me. I guess I'm trying to explore the thought processes of other people. I'm not complaining about anything, I'm actually wanting to lose a debate. But I'm afraid that's not likely in the case of #15.
It does drive me crazy when something occurs in which I don't understand and I'm given nothing better than a "just because." Brees and Frazier voters weren't influenced by stats? Great. What were they influenced by? When a player with better passing outcomes than one guy and more beneficial rushing outcomes than another guy is passed over by 62.5% of the voters, yeah, I'm curious about the 'why'. lol
This is all for fun. I'm not butt hurt by it, I'm simply not afraid to explore it further. It doesn't matter, none of this matters, but if continuing this discussion can help me learn something new, then of course I'll keep it going.
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I saw Frazier up close and watch him lead the team I love.. I saw him in the offense as a starter and I saw the same offense when he was out with a blood clot. I can't think of any QB I've seen I'd want to lead my team over Frazier. He was a winner. He made UNL's offense go from good/great to special. He was the heart of that team. He even did the little things to win.. he was a complete player. And he had amazing stats while missing a complete year.
I 'm sure you'd say the same about Tebow. But you asked who we each thought was better. I'd take Frazier over Tebow. I wouldn't hesitate. If it was about only stats, Troy Davis would get more votes... yet I doubt anyone complains when he gets zero.
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more beneficial rushing outcomes than another guy
Rushing (again):
Frazier - 5.7 ypc,
Tebow - 4.3 ypc,
depends on the stats you're focused on
Frazier wasn't my favorite Husker QB, I preferred Turner Gill and Gerry Gdowski
Tom Osborne said Gerry Gdowski "played as well as any quarterback" he'd had at Nebraska.
But, as was mentioned upstream - Frazier made the clutch plays, rose to the occasion, and willed his team to win against the odds. Going into a big game, there's no one else I'd rather have run the option offense.
not even Timmy Tebow
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Brees and Frazier voters weren't influenced by stats? Great. What were they influenced by? When a player with better passing outcomes than one guy and more beneficial rushing outcomes than another guy is passed over by 62.5% of the voters, yeah, I'm curious about the 'why'. lol
If I was purely influenced by stats, I'd think Curtis Painter was a better QB than Brees. But that's just ridiculous. Brees was exciting to watch. Brees made his team better. Brees wasn't perfect, but you knew that with him as QB, the team always had a chance, no matter the opponent. Curtis Painter racked up some amazing stats, and broke some of Brees' records. But he did so by torching MAC and bad B1G teams, and falling all over himself against the best competition on the schedule.
Some stats are influenced by system [Brees' certainly are to some extent, Painter's definitely were]. When you're talking about "best to play the position", a lot more than stats come into it. I.e. when we talked about JT Barrett vs Drew Brees, you pointed out stats. But perhaps that just means that in Urban Meyer's system, the QB racks up stats even more than in Tiller's system. Alex Smith had some pretty good stats too...
For me, Tebow just never really "wowed" me as a QB. He was an outstanding overall football player, and very versatile. But I just never really saw him as the game-changer that everyone else apparently did. I saw him more as a cog in the Urban Meyer machine.
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this QB had a few rushing TDs - not the best OU qb
Oklahoma's Belldozer - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjSDv47wOfk)
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I saw Frazier up close and watch him lead the team I love.. I saw him in the offense as a starter and I saw the same offense when he was out with a blood clot. I can't think of any QB I've seen I'd want to lead my team over Frazier. He was a winner. He made UNL's offense go from good/great to special. He was the heart of that team. He even did the little things to win.. he was a complete player. And he had amazing stats while missing a complete year.
I'd buy it more if UNL had dropped a couple of games with Berringer at QB. Hell, the 3rd-string guy came in and played and won, too.
This is what I'm talking about - guys like Frazier and Tebow - credited with willing their teams to victories. Eh, excuse me, you're ignoring UNL's 3 All-American offensive linemen and a sick defense. Without that OL, Frazier wasn't willing UNL to jack. Berringer couldn't run like Frazier, but he was a much better passer. He had a dominant OL in front of him and Phillips and Green behind him.
It's silly to say it, but of the 3 QBs to play for UNL since the middle of 1992-1995, Frazier was the only one to lose any games. Tebow won the Heisman in 2007, but Florida lost 4 games that year. Did Tebow fail to will them to victory? No, the defense was all FR and SO, and they gave up a ton of points. Simple.
Stats aren't some heartless, robotic, evil entity. They describe what actually happened. Not what we dream about or wish would happen, but the reality of it all.
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this QB had a few rushing TDs - not the best OU qb
If this is what you're receiving from my posts, just stop reading them. FFS
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If I was purely influenced by stats, I'd think Curtis Painter was a better QB than Brees. But that's just ridiculous. Brees was exciting to watch. Brees made his team better. Brees wasn't perfect, but you knew that with him as QB, the team always had a chance, no matter the opponent. Curtis Painter racked up some amazing stats, and broke some of Brees' records. But he did so by torching MAC and bad B1G teams, and falling all over himself against the best competition on the schedule.
Some stats are influenced by system [Brees' certainly are to some extent, Painter's definitely were]. When you're talking about "best to play the position", a lot more than stats come into it. I.e. when we talked about JT Barrett vs Drew Brees, you pointed out stats. But perhaps that just means that in Urban Meyer's system, the QB racks up stats even more than in Tiller's system. Alex Smith had some pretty good stats too...
For me, Tebow just never really "wowed" me as a QB. He was an outstanding overall football player, and very versatile. But I just never really saw him as the game-changer that everyone else apparently did. I saw him more as a cog in the Urban Meyer machine.
"Brees made his team better" - are you claiming to know what their record would've been with someone else taking snaps?
Brees vs ranked teams:
1998: 1-4
1999: 2-5
2000: 3-2..........6-11 vs ranked teams. But PU lost at least 4 games all three years he started. I think he gets a halo effect because he got them to a Rose Bowl (albeit with 3 losses going in).
Painter stunk - 0-10 vs ranked teams. Does that make 6-11 better? Does it up the win%?
I tell you what, Brees could've used some All-American linemen and some first-round running backs behind him - then he'd have gotten more votes than Frazier.
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Frazier made the clutch plays, rose to the occasion, and willed his team to win against the odds. Going into a big game, there's no one else I'd rather have run the option offense.
not even Timmy Tebow
This is the crap that makes me gag. When were the odds stacked against Tommie Frazier?? Not blood clot thing, but on the field, from a talent disparity. All-Americans in front of him, blocking, All-Americans behind him, receiving pitches. And a limited backup who replaced him for over half a season and went undefeated.
Maybe one of us from the board could've "willed" UNL to some victories with that setup, no?
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When were the odds stacked against Tommie Frazier?? Not blood clot thing, but on the field, from a talent disparity.
do a wee bit of research on the 1993 Seminole defense and recent past history of FSU success vs the Huskers in the Orange Bowl - 17 point favorites
then if you have time, check the 2-deep on the Canes 1994 defense and the history of that defense playing on their home field against any offense
then you know all about the Gator's 1995 defense - Opp Pts/G: 20.2 (31st of 108) - not great but not bad for an SEC schedule
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We all know QBs and RBs get too much acclaim - yet with these certain guys, our heroes, we still do it. '95 Nebraska was all OL and defense - put any QB/RBs you want, they're winning the game. If UNL was a 17 point dog to FSU, it's because they had a history of coming up short in those Orange Bowls all those years, right?
No one talks about Frazier QBing Nebraska's all-time crazy loss to Iowa State. UNL was a 1-point underdog to CU in '94, which Berringer led them to a 24-7 win. No, the defense led them to the win. The OL willed them, right?
QBs get romanticized, OLs don't. Same with Tebow - the Pouncy twins contributed as much as he did. The defense, Percy Harvin, etc. If Tebow signed with Vandy, he ain't winning rings or trophies.
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I could argue that the O-lines in the early 80's were as good or better than the mid 90s
mid 90's defense was better
1984 defense was stellar, but breaking in a new QB since Gill was gone
If Wuerffel had an O-line and a defense, he may have had the big legacy
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No one talks about Frazier QBing Nebraska's all-time crazy loss to Iowa State. UNL was a 1-point underdog to CU in '94, which Berringer led them to a 24-7 win. No, the defense led them to the win. The OL willed them, right?
the 92 loss in Ames was crazy - surreal - this regarding freshman Frazier in that game
Husker QB Tommie Frazier was NU's leading rusher with 92 yards on 13 carries and completed a 15-yard pass to Lance Lewis for the only Husker touchdown on the day. Didn't throw a pick, didn't take a sack. Did not lose a fumble.
late in the second quarter, Frazier limped to the locker room with a bruised left knee.
He played the whole second half, but Nebraska gained just 81 yards in the final 30 minutes. From the middle of the second quarter to the middle of the fourth, the Huskers punted on seven straight possessions.
“Frazier played hurt,” Osborne said. “He wasn’t able to do some things in the second half that he was in the first.
“But we can’t blame the loss on that. They just beat us.”
Frazier was injured with 26 seconds left in the half. He said he took a helmet to his left knee.
Osborne said he considered using senior Mike Grant in the second half.
“We talked it over several times,” he said. “We just felt Tommie still was functioning well enough that he was OK, and that would give us the best chance to come back.
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See, that makes me want to say Osborne made a mistake by leaving him in.
And the larger point about coaching - when someone suggests a player (usually a QB) is the beneficiary of a system to discredit him somewhat - I go the other way and want to commend the coach. If a system QB performs incredibly and the team wins, the coach put him in position to do so.
But again, we assign some coaches with halos that should never be criticized...which uglies the conversation.
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took Osborne 21 years of harsh criticism to earn his halo. Heck, even after winning his first title in 94 the press leading up to 96 Fiesta was all about Spurrier's genius offense vs Osborne's dinosaur offense and Spurrier's heading to the NFL.
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"Brees made his team better" - are you claiming to know what their record would've been with someone else taking snaps?
Brees vs ranked teams:
1998: 1-4
1999: 2-5
2000: 3-2..........6-11 vs ranked teams. But PU lost at least 4 games all three years he started. I think he gets a halo effect because he got them to a Rose Bowl (albeit with 3 losses going in).
Painter stunk - 0-10 vs ranked teams. Does that make 6-11 better? Does it up the win%?
I tell you what, Brees could've used some All-American linemen and some first-round running backs behind him - then he'd have gotten more votes than Frazier.
Brees would have won the Heisman if he was on a better team. But he was on an 8-3 team that made it into the Rose Bowl by virtue of tying two other B1G teams with a 6-2 conference record.
Who wins the Heisman? QB or RB on the best team. Florida State and Oklahoma were the best teams, so Weinke and Heupel finished higher. But does anyone really think Chris Weinke was the most outstanding CFB player in that 2000 season?
I honestly do think that the team's record would have been significantly worse without Brees. Purdue's record against ranked teams isn't so good in general. 6-11 against ranked teams at a school like Purdue, where you're consistently out-talented by those ranked teams, is actually not all that bad. Kyle Orton's pretty good, but Purdue was 3-13 against ranked teams from 2001-2004 when he was QB.
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I buy that argument in a Brees-Purdue situation, but it doesn't hold water for teams with talent like mid-90s Nebraska or Florida.
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so, Brees wins the tiebreaker
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Majority rules, of course. I just thought the guy who could run and pass would beat the one-dimensional guys.
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I guess most people think differently. Might be time to just accept that and move on.
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Majority rules, of course. I just thought the guy who could run and pass would beat the one-dimensional guys.
well, if he could run & pass really well, he wouldn't be playing baseball
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Majority rules, of course. I just thought the guy who could run and pass would beat the one-dimensional guys.
no.. you just don't like it others have a different opinion than you.... on one of your favorite players. You want someone to justify "why" yet you disregard the justification by suggesting it's stupid or not valid.
it's a vote during the offseason that has zero meaning, yet you're acting like a child.
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Majority rules, of course. I just thought the guy who could run and pass would beat the one-dimensional guys.
Brees' elusiveness was actually one of his major strengths. That 2000 season he had 521 rushing yards on 5.5 ypc, and 5 TDs. It was 95 carries, so if you figure he was running ~8 attempts per game, that's a pretty fair number.
Brees was never what you'd call a "dual-threat" or "run-first" QB, but he by that point was an EXCELLENT decision-maker and was extremely smart about knowing when to tuck the ball and run. And he was athletic enough that he had his number called on QB draws as designed runs that year as well. The offense going 5-wide with nobody in the backfield, as they did OFTEN in those days, wouldn't have worked nearly as well if Brees himself wasn't a threat to run.
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agreed, Brees can still run pretty well for his age in the NFL
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no.. you just don't like it others have a different opinion than you.... on one of your favorite players. You want someone to justify "why" yet you disregard the justification by suggesting it's stupid or not valid.
it's a vote during the offseason that has zero meaning, yet you're acting like a child.
See, this is where there is a disconnect.
I'm not acting like a child at all. I'm discussing a topic I love with people who also enjoy college football. It's fun. I'm not going to change anybody's mind, but I am enjoying the back-and-forth. This isn't stirring emotions or anything, it's simply a leisurely activity.
If we all just agreed and left it at that, it wouldn't be fun. If we always took 2 posts to disagree and move on, no thread would last very long.
A few of you guys need to stop viewing every back-and-forth as a bitch-fest and instead see it as people having fun with the typed word. That's all it is to me.:88:
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well, if he could run & pass really well, he wouldn't be playing baseball
Here, again - you're conflicting college with pro. Why are so many people allergic to judging a player by what he actually did on the field???
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Here, again - you're conflicting college with pro. Why are so many people allergic to judging a player by what he actually did on the field???
I think there is some relevance if your argument is that he was just a cog in the Urban offensive machine.
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I guess most people think differently. Might be time to just accept that and move on.
A - feel free to ignore this thread, lol
B - Of course most people think differently, the vote showed that. But I'm getting into the 'why' behind it and enjoying the conversation.
Am I the only one around here that likes a debate? It may be difficult to see it in a web forum instead of in person, but I'm not this desperate, emotional wreck, clinging on to the last string of Tebow's greatness, needing to be validated. I'm just having a fun college football discussion. I don't care if Tebow was voted best or not. To be honest, I have a much higher affinity for Wuerffel and the mid-90s Gators.
I may seem homerish, but have I not supplied evidence over a series of posts touting Gordon over Ismail for #25? I don't care about Gordon, but what he did was amazing. It's all just for fun, people!
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I think there is some relevance if your argument is that he was just a cog in the Urban offensive machine.
We could look at the career numbers of Meyer QBs and see what we see....
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Here, again - you're conflicting college with pro. Why are so many people allergic to judging a player by what he actually did on the field???
I think there is some relevance if your argument is that he was just a cog in the Urban offensive machine.
Exactly.
Josh Harris (BGSU):
2001: 60.9 avg (low attempts), 7.7 y/a, 9/3 TD:Int. 126 rushes for 614 yds (4.9 avg), 8 TDs
2002: 56.1 avg, 6.9 y/a, 19/11 TD:Int. 186 rush for 737 yds (4.0 avg), 20 TDs.
Alex Smith (Utah):
2003: 65%, 8.4 y/a, 15/3 TD:Int. 149 rushes for 452 yds (3.0 avg), 5 TD.
2004: 67.5%, 9.3 y/a, 32/4 TD:Int. 135 rushes for 631 yds (4.7 avg), 10 TD.
Chris Leak (Florida):
2005: 62.8%, 7.1 y/a, 20/6 TD:Int. Terrible rushing numbers.
2006: 63.6%, 8.1 y/a, 23/13 TD:Int. Terrible rushing numbers.
Tim Tebow (Florida):
2006: 66.7% (limited [33] attempts), 10.8 y/a, 5/1 TD:Int. 89 rush, 469 yds (5.3 avg), 8 TDs
2007: 66.9%, 9.4 y/a, 32/6 TD:Int. 210 rush for 895 yds (4.3 avg), 23 TDs
2008: 64.4%, 9.2 y/a, 30/4 TD:Int. 176 rush for 673 yds (3.8 avg), 12 TDs
2009: 67.8%, 9.2 y/a, 21/5 TD:Int. 217 rush for 910 yds (4.2 avg), 14 TDs
John Brantley (Florida):
2010: 60.8%, 6.3 y/a, 9/10 TD:Int. Negative rushing numbers.
Braxton Miller (OSU):
2012: 58.3%, 8.0 y/a, 15/6 TD:Int. 227 rush for 1271 yds (5.6 avg), 13 TDs
2013: 63.5%, 8.2 y/a, 24/7 TD:Int. 171 rush for 1068 yds (6.2 avg), 12 TDs
J.T. Barrett (OSU):
2014: 64.6%, 9.0 y/a, 34/10 TD:Int. 171 rush for 938 yds (5.5 avg), 11 TDs
2015: 63.3%, 6.7 y/a, 11/4 TD:Int. 115 rush, 682 yds (5.9 avg), 11 TDs
2015*: 62.3%, 8.3 y/a, 8/5 TD:Int. 72 rush, 296 yds (4.1), 1 TD
2016: 61.5%, 6.7 y/a, 24/7 TD:Int. 205 rush, 845 yds (4.1 avg), 9 TDs
2017: 64.7%, 8.2 y/a, 35/9 TD:Int. 165 rush, 798 yds (4.8 avg), 12 TDs
* Cardale Jones
You can see that Urban Meyer gets a LOT out of his quarterbacks. While Tebow had the highest completion percentage, Alex Smith also had very high completion percentage, y/a, and similarly strong TD:Int ratios. He had comparable rushing averages at least in 2004. Barrett is probably the second-best comparison. He had slightly lower (but not bad) completion percentages, and slightly worse y/a and TD:Int ratio. Probably on the whole a better rushing game as ypc is concerned.
Of the others, Harris was obviously a running QB only. Leak was a passing QB only. Miller was able to do both, didn't pass as well as Tebow but a better runner.
So you have to look at Tebow in context. Yes, his stats were good. But so were JT Barrett's. And so were Alex Smith's. You ask yourself if Tebow was the cause of the success and stats he put up, or was it Urban Meyer's system.
By the stats above you could even make an argument that Tebow is the best QB that Urban Meyer ever had. But has he separated himself so far from others in the same system that he's the best player to EVER wear #15 in the history of college football? I'm not so sure.
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Here, again - you're conflicting college with pro. Why are so many people allergic to judging a player by what he actually did on the field???
All I was trying to point out was........... Frazier, Vince Young, and Tebow didn't last in the NFL because they couldn't spin the ball like Vick and Brees
If Tebow really could pass as well as Brees, he wouldn't be playing baseball
Frazier, Crouch, Turner Gill and other option QBs all threw well enough to succeed at the highest level of NCAA football. That's not to imply any of them were great passers like Brees.
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As for the comparison to the NFL question, I think it's worth looking at. Not at whether we should grade Tebow in college based upon his NFL career [or lack thereof], but that future success [or lack thereof] can help put his college career in context.
If a player doesn't shake out at the next level, sometimes it's a matter of their game simply not translating. I think for Tommie Frazier, that was probably the case. There wasn't a huge market for option QBs in the NFL. But as you pointed out, Tebow's passing stats were better than Brees'. So clearly it's not that he can't throw the ball, right?
But it highlights the situation that a lot of college QBs who put up gaudy stats see. While Urban Meyer isn't an Air Raid guy, you see the Air Raid QBs every year who put up silly stats in college but never do anything at the next level. It makes you wonder whether the success and stats of those QBs were due to their overwhelming skill, or whether it was due to the "system".
What I'm saying is that Tebow's success in college and his lack of success in the NFL might just be that he's a "system QB" at heart. He was a pretty good system QB, but that means that Urban Meyer and his offense takes some of the credit for those gaudy stats.
At that point, you have to look at to some extent the "eye test". We can argue all day whether it comes down to Brees, or Frazier, or Tebow when you are comparing it via the eye test, because we all have biased eyes there. But then, you are on a B1G board, so you can reasonably expect that those of us who are fans of Purdue or Nebraska [or simply more familiar with our own conference mates] might be a little biased.
But it's not like bias is ALL of it. As you can see above, I can make a credible argument for discounting the Tebow argument at least as it relies on stats themselves. Because there are three things in this world: lies, damn lies, and statistics :)
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i jut appreciate someone taking the time to provide evidence rather than just making assertions and scoffing when it's not gobbled up as fact.
It's interesting that Tebow's best comp as a passer under UM was the #1 pick in the draft. Tebow's YPC isn't special, but his infinite rushing TDs is. And if those were easy TDs, then other players would've scored them, too.
I respect most everyone on this board and thought the subjectivity would be low, but I was very surprised by the votes for Brees. Frazier and Tebow check all the boxes - both statistical and willy-nilly. But it's fun to discuss it.
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The biggest Heisman Trophy snubs in college football history
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/friday-five-the-biggest-heisman-trophy-snubs-in-college-football-history/ (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/friday-five-the-biggest-heisman-trophy-snubs-in-college-football-history/)
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This guy, obviously a Gator fan, agrees with Tommie
https://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/greatest-quarterbacks-in-college-football-history.html/ (https://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/greatest-quarterbacks-in-college-football-history.html/)