A lot of PAC-12. Wash, UCLA, USC pop up on lots of lists. Not really any SEC.Nebraska does have aTm on their list and Texas should be on there as well (my mistake, will fix).
Interesting that Neb's list does not have any Big 12 teams that were not first in the Big 8. I guess since Tex, TT, A&M and Bay were in the Big 12 south and they only saw them 50% of the time in the Big 12.
Now the B1G-W, still going E->W:
Purdue:Northwestern:
- 69 games, Notre Dame, 2014
- 12 games, MiamiOH, 2006
- 10 games, Washington, 2002
- 8 games, Ball State, 2010
- 6 games, Toledo, 2010
- tie 6 games, MiamiFL, 1984
- tie 6 games, Ohio, 2017
- tie 6 games, CMU, 2014
- 5 games, Mizzou, Wake, UCLA, Pitt
Illinois:
- 23 games, Notre Dame, 2014
- 19 games, DOOK, 2017
- 10 games, Syracuse, 2013
- 9 games, MiamiOH, 2009
- 8 games, No. Illinois, 2014
- 7 games, Rice, 2011
- tie 7 games, Pittsburgh, 2016
- 6 games, Air Force, 2003
- 5 games, BC, Mizzou, Army, IowaSt, USC, UCLA, Stanford
Wisconsin:
- 22 games, Missouri, 2010
- 12 games, UCLA, 2011
- 11 games, Washington, 2014
- 10 games, Stanford, 1984
- tie 10 games, California, 2005
- tie 10 games, Syracuse, 2007
- 9 games, USC, 2007
- 7 games, Washington State, 1998
- 6 games, Western Michigan, 2016
- 5 games, Louisville, Pitt
Iowa:
- 15 games, Marquette, 1960
- 13 games, No. Illinois, 2011
- 10 games, UCLA, 2000
- tie 10 games, UNLV, 2011
- 7 games, USC, 2015
- tie 7 games, Hawaii, 2015
- 6 games, Colorado, 2002
- tie 6 games, Stanford, 2012
- tie 6 games, California, 1990
- 5 games, Oregon, MiamiFL, SDSU, WMU
Nebraska:
- 41 games, Iowa State, 2017
- 20 games, Notre Dame, 1968
- 13 games, Arizona, 2010
- 12 games, Oregon State, 1972
- 9 games, No. Illinois, 2013
- 8 games, USC, 2002
- tie 8 games, UCLA, 1985
- 6 games, No. Iowa, 2014
- tie 6 games, Pittsburgh, 2015
- tie 6 games, Kansas State, 2000
- 65 games, Missouri, 2010
- tie 65 games, Kansas, 2010
- tie 65 games, Iowa State, 2010
- tie 65 games, Kansas State, 2010
- 63 games, Colorado, 2010
- 61 games, Oklahoma, 2010
- 43 games, Oklahoma State, 2010
- 13 games, UCLA, 2015
- tie 13 games, aTm, 2010
- 12 games, MiamiFL, 2015
Now the B1G-W, still going E->W:Interesting info any chance you can also show for Minnesota (they are part of the Big Ten West ) I know they have been down but they do have a very historical past and still should be included
Purdue:Northwestern:
- 69 games, Notre Dame, 2014
- 12 games, MiamiOH, 2006
- 10 games, Washington, 2002
- 8 games, Ball State, 2010
- 6 games, Toledo, 2010
- tie 6 games, MiamiFL, 1984
- tie 6 games, Ohio, 2017
- tie 6 games, CMU, 2014
- 5 games, Mizzou, Wake, UCLA, Pitt
Illinois:
- 23 games, Notre Dame, 2014
- 19 games, DOOK, 2017
- 10 games, Syracuse, 2013
- 9 games, MiamiOH, 2009
- 8 games, No. Illinois, 2014
- 7 games, Rice, 2011
- tie 7 games, Pittsburgh, 2016
- 6 games, Air Force, 2003
- 5 games, BC, Mizzou, Army, IowaSt, USC, UCLA, Stanford
Wisconsin:
- 22 games, Missouri, 2010
- 12 games, UCLA, 2011
- 11 games, Washington, 2014
- 10 games, Stanford, 1984
- tie 10 games, California, 2005
- tie 10 games, Syracuse, 2007
- 9 games, USC, 2007
- 7 games, Washington State, 1998
- 6 games, Western Michigan, 2016
- 5 games, Louisville, Pitt
Iowa:
- 15 games, Marquette, 1960
- 13 games, No. Illinois, 2011
- 10 games, UCLA, 2000
- tie 10 games, UNLV, 2011
- 7 games, USC, 2015
- tie 7 games, Hawaii, 2015
- 6 games, Colorado, 2002
- tie 6 games, Stanford, 2012
- tie 6 games, California, 1990
- 5 games, Oregon, MiamiFL, SDSU, WMU
Nebraska:
- 41 games, Iowa State, 2017
- 20 games, Notre Dame, 1968
- 13 games, Arizona, 2010
- 12 games, Oregon State, 1972
- 9 games, No. Illinois, 2013
- 8 games, USC, 2002
- tie 8 games, UCLA, 1985
- 6 games, No. Iowa, 2014
- tie 6 games, Pittsburgh, 2015
- tie 6 games, Kansas State, 2000
- 65 games, Missouri, 2010
- tie 65 games, Kansas, 2010
- tie 65 games, Iowa State, 2010
- tie 65 games, Kansas State, 2010
- 63 games, Colorado, 2010
- 61 games, Oklahoma, 2010
- 43 games, Oklahoma State, 2010
- 13 games, UCLA, 2015
- tie 13 games, aTm, 2010
- 12 games, MiamiFL, 2015
Clearly we should add Miami(OH)We should add Minnesota. :)
Maryland:So if I'm reading this correctly, Maryland's true most frequent OOC opponents are WV (48) and Syracuse (29).
- 64 games, NCST, 2013
- 62 games, Clemson, 2013
- 59 games, Wake, 2013
- 57 games, UVA, 2013
- tie 57 games, UNC, 2012
- 48 games, WVU, 2015
- 46 games, DOOK, 2010
- 29 games, Syracuse, 2014
- 24 games, FSU, 2013
- 23 games, USCe, 1971
While I am indeed jealous of schools that have fixed out of conference rivalries, OSU doesn't really have a "no-brainer" candidate. West Virginia would probably be the closest thing, but they should be playing Pitt every year. Pitt would be okay, but they should be playing Penn St and/or W Virginia. Notre Dame would be sweet obviously, but they have already been taken ten times over. Poaching that rivalry out of Michigan's back pocket would be satisfying, but highly unrealistic. Kentucky is Kentucky, so that one won't work obviously. Even though they are in the big bad SEC. Cincinnati would be okay if they ever find their way back into a P5 Conference, which is unlikely. The rest of Buckeye Nation would hate it of course, but not me.As another tOSU fan, I'm not jealous of the schools that have fixed OOC rivalries. I do like a few of those but I'm also happy with tOSU's longstanding tradition of playing a different "marquee" opponent every year. I like the variety of playing:
I do find it aggravating that some schools have a perfect OOC candidate, but just don't schedule it for whatever reason. aTm-Texas, Nebraska-Oklahoma, etc.
Nebraska does have aTm on their list and Texas should be on there as well (my mistake, will fix).Nebraska has always scheduled one, or more Pac 8/10/12 (or 'western') team nearly every season since about 1967. I remember '91 was Utah St, Colorado St, Washington and Arizona St.) it just so happens UCLA has been scheduled more than any of the others. I think Wash and ASU are both at about 10 games or so. The only teams I can't recall them ever playing in the regular season in that time are Arizona and Stanford, though they've bowled against each of them. I think AZ is on the schedule next decade.
Nebraska's most frequent 1946-present opponents are:The rest of their Big12 mates are:
- Three B1G teams that they frequently played prior to joining the B1G (MN-31, PSU-16, IA-14)
- UCLA (not sure why-13)
Nebraska's B1G-W mates are:
- aTm 13 games
- Texas 13 games
- Baylor 11 games
- TTech 11 games
- MN: 31 games
- IA: 14 games
- UW: 11 games
- NU: 9 games
- IL: 8 games
- PU: 6 games
As another tOSU fan, I'm not jealous of the schools that have fixed OOC rivalries. I do like a few of those but I'm also happy with tOSU's longstanding tradition of playing a different "marquee" opponent every year. I like the variety of playing:Yeah, and that's why we don't have one. No helmet team in a bordering state except Notre Dame who is already accounted for.More importantly, I REALLY don't want a "forced" annual OOC rivalry. UNL/OU, aTm/Tx, USCe/Clemson and others make sense geographically and the schools are at least relative equals. Forcing Ohio State into an annual rivalry with WVU, Pitt, or Cincy would be horrible IMHO.
- Boston College: 2026-27
- Texas: 2025-26, 2005-06
- Washington: 2024-25, 2007, 2003, 1993-5
- Notre Dame: 2022-23, 1995-96
- Oregon: 2020-21
- Oklahoma: 2016-17
- VaTech: 2014-15
- California: 2012-13
- Miami, FL: 2010-11
- USC: 2008-09
- NCST: 2003-04
- UCLA: 1999, 2001
- Zona: 2000, 1997
- Mizzou: 1997-98
- Pitt: 1993-96
I know this makes it a lot harder to run the numbers, but I kinda feel like we should only include OOC games against teams who weren't part of the conference the team was in at the time.It depends on what you want the numbers for. If you want a list of most frequent OOC games then yes, this is inaccurate. It is both overinclusive and underinclusive:
Rutgers, Maryland, and Nebraska shouldn't count OOC games against the teams from the ACC/B12 from the years they were in those conferences. Those weren't OOC games.
And frankly, if a team like Notre Dame joined the conference, I'd still count all the games that Purdue/MSU/UM had with them over the last 70 years as OOC games, even though they'd then be "conference" opponents. They weren't in-conference at the time, so those were true OOC games.
I was looking at it more for how often teams built rivalries with teams they weren't required to play. That's more of a past-looking reason for the number.I do find that somewhat interesting but it is a LOT more work to put together because you have to look at each school's opponents individually and ascertain which games were, as you put it, "not required to be played". This also touches on @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) 's earlier question about bowl games. Bowl games are effectively "required to be played" as opposed to scheduled regular season games where the schools get to decide who they want to play.
Michigan State:I've thought for a while that Kentucky would be a fun one. They've played so many times over the past 20 years in big basketball games, and have gone head to head on a ton of 3* OH recruits as well. I agree that beyond Notre Dame there isn't really one that makes a ton of sense, but I would get pretty into an annual thing with Kentucky. I've long thought MSU should schedule some home and homes with the schools they frequently play in big basketball games, but never play in football. Along with Kentucky; UNC, Duke, Kansas, etc...
This one is obvious, Notre Dame. However, if the Irish and/or Spartans are uninterested in having this as an annual rivalry then there really aren't any logical OOC rivals for Michigan State. After ND, Michigan State's next seven most frequent OOC opponents since 1946 are Marquette, three directional-Michigan schools, and three Pac schools.
I've thought for a while that Kentucky would be a fun one. They've played so many times over the past 20 years in big basketball games, and have gone head to head on a ton of 3* OH recruits as well. I agree that beyond Notre Dame there isn't really one that makes a ton of sense, but I would get pretty into an annual thing with Kentucky. I've long thought MSU should schedule some home and homes with the schools they frequently play in big basketball games, but never play in football. Along with Kentucky; UNC, Duke, Kansas, etc...In the same vein, I have argued before that I think Ohio State should schedule BB games against other schools that are similarly good at both sports.
My analysis, potential annual OOC rivalries for each B1G school:Aside from the anti-Cyhawk rhetoric, I agree with all of this.
Rutgers:
I would say Syracuse. Most of Rutgers' other frequent past opponents are either no longer D1A (Bowl subdivision) like Colgate, Princeton, etc or are minor teams like Temple, Army, etc. IMHO Syracuse would be a great annual OOC game for the Scarlet Knights. Since 1946 Rutgers is 12-24 in 36 games against the Orange (most were BigEast games) so Syracuse has the upper hand but Rutgers has won one out of three so it isn't completely lopsided and it is a 4 hour drive (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Rutgers+Stadium,+Scarlet+Knight+Way,+Piscataway+Township,+NJ/Carrier+Dome,+900+Irving+Ave,+Syracuse,+NY+13244/@41.7743873,-76.2723448,8z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c3c704fb45ad4d:0x73ddb4af078b9fd1!2m2!1d-74.4652984!2d40.5135608!1m5!1m1!1s0x89d9f39936b9c243:0xfa3aa516dcff8766!2m2!1d-76.1363161!2d43.0362269!3e0?hl=en) which is close enough for students/fans to make the trek. .
Maryland:
I would say Virginia. Virginia isn't Maryland's most frequent opponent since 1946, they are fourth behind NCST, Clemson, and Wake but Charlottesville is a lot closer to College Park than those alternatives as just a 3 hour drive (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Capital+One+Field+at+Byrd+Stadium,+90+Stadium+Dr,+College+Park,+MD+20742/Scott+Stadium,+1815+Stadium+Rd,+Charlottesville,+VA+22903/@37.5576852,-79.3011525,8z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7c7ccde7875a5:0x5f9d758338f1fbe5!2m2!1d-76.9473094!2d38.9902773!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b3865c0c8b70f3:0x6701b6e66df09696!2m2!1d-78.5136879!2d38.0311032!3e0?hl=en).
Penn State:
This one is obvious, Pittsburgh. OTOH, I can understand why a lot of Penn State fans might not want Pittsburgh as an annual rival. It might be bad for business generally to treat Pittsburgh as an equal. If not Pitt though, it would be between Syracuse and West Virginia and those don't seem any better.
Ohio State:
There really aren't any logical annual OOC rivals for Ohio State. USC is the most frequent OOC opponent since 1946 but they are on the West Coast and already tied in with Notre Dame. Pitt is the most frequently scheduled opponent (because 8 of the 20 games against USC were Bowls).
Michigan:
This one is obvious, Notre Dame. However, if the Irish and/or Wolverines are uninterested in having this as an annual rivalry then there really aren't any logical annual OOC rivals for Michgian. After ND, Michigan's next most frequent OOC opponents are Navy then four Pac schools.
Michigan State:
This one is obvious, Notre Dame. However, if the Irish and/or Spartans are uninterested in having this as an annual rivalry then there really aren't any logical OOC rivals for Michigan State. After ND, Michigan State's next seven most frequent OOC opponents since 1946 are Marquette, three directional-Michigan schools, and three Pac schools.
Indiana:
This one is obvious, Kentucky.
Purdue:
This one is obvious, Notre Dame. However, if the Irish and/or Boilermakers are uninterested in having this as an annual rivalry then there really aren't any logical OOC rivals for Purdue.
Northwestern:
I don't see ONE obvious OOC rival for the Wildcats but I really like Northwestern's trend of playing other great academic schools from P5 conferences (ie Stanford, DOOK). I'd love to see them set up a rotation where they play Stanford, Duke, Vanderbilt etc.
Illinois:
This one is obvious, Mizzou.
Wisconsin:
There really aren't any logical annual OOC rivals for Wisconsin. Their most frequent OOC opponents since 1946 are Marquette and then a collection of mostly local minor schools and non-local Pac schools.
Iowa:
I'm not a fan of the Iowa/Iowa State annual rivalry because I think it treats ISU as an equal which is not good for the Hawkeyes. If we remove that one though there really aren't any logical replacements except perhaps Mizzou but I already claimed them for Illinois.
Minnesota:
I'd say Washington. Husky Stadium is a 25 hour drive (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/TCF+Bank+Stadium,+Minneapolis,+MN/Washington+State+University,+Pullman,+WA/Husky+Stadium,+3800+Montlake+Blvd+NE,+Seattle,+WA+98195/@45.9949246,-116.7352068,5z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m20!4m19!1m5!1m1!1s0x52b32d1ec16e5aab:0xbb4571515b260fe7!2m2!1d-93.2249668!2d44.9761659!1m5!1m1!1s0x549f8705c848a86f:0xf465f2a4b55770db!2m2!1d-117.1542121!2d46.7319225!1m5!1m1!1s0x54901494a93b8947:0x184b516c15bccbba!2m2!1d-122.301594!2d47.6503747!3e0?hl=en) from TCF Bank Stadium but I think that Minnesota and Washington are the two northernmost P5 schools and other than WSU in Pullman there aren't any P5 schools located in between these two. The Cougars would be an alternative but the Gophers have a fairly limited history with Washington State (6 games since 1946 including one Holiday Bowl).
Nebraska:
This one is obvious, Oklahoma. Technically the Cornhuskers have more games since WWII against Mizzou, Kansas, ISU, KSU, and Colorado but without the need to look it up I'm confident that those series are substantially more lopsided than the Cornhuskers' series against Oklahoma which also has some VERY memorable past games. If Oklahoma isn't possible then I would consider Colorado before Nebraska's four most frequent opponents since WWII (Mizzou, ISU, and the two Kansas schools).
Nebraska's (true OOC at the time, post-1946) would then be (Excludes bowl games, otherwise Miami/FSU)don't forget the Hoosiers
1946-present (regular season only)
Minnesota (23) (only Mizzou and OU have beaten Nebraska more than Minnesota, most beatings 1900-1960 though 3-18 since 1963)
UCLA (12) excludes one bowl game
Penn St (10)
Oregon (8)
Arizona St (7) excludes one bowl game
Washington (7) excludes one bowl game
Iowa (7)
Pittsburgh (7)
Miami (6) excludes six bowl games
Oregon State (6)
My analysis, potential annual OOC rivalries for each B1G school:I would pick the Sooners first obviously, but the Mizzou Tigers 2nd, before Colorado
Nebraska:
This one is obvious, Oklahoma. Technically the Cornhuskers have more games since WWII against Mizzou, Kansas, ISU, KSU, and Colorado but without the need to look it up I'm confident that those series are substantially more lopsided than the Cornhuskers' series against Oklahoma which also has some VERY memorable past games. If Oklahoma isn't possible then I would consider Colorado before Nebraska's four most frequent opponents since WWII (Mizzou, ISU, and the two Kansas schools).
Ohio State:OSU:
There really aren't any logical annual OOC rivals for Ohio State. USC is the most frequent OOC opponent since 1946 but they are on the West Coast and already tied in with Notre Dame. Pitt is the most frequently scheduled opponent (because 8 of the 20 games against USC were Bowls).
Indiana:
This one is obvious, Kentucky.
Illinois:
This one is obvious, Mizzou.
Nebraska:
This one is obvious, Oklahoma. Technically the Cornhuskers have more games since WWII against Mizzou, Kansas, ISU, KSU, and Colorado but without the need to look it up I'm confident that those series are substantially more lopsided than the Cornhuskers' series against Oklahoma which also has some VERY memorable past games. If Oklahoma isn't possible then I would consider Colorado before Nebraska's four most frequent opponents since WWII (Mizzou, ISU, and the two Kansas schools).
I would pick the Sooners first obviously, but the Mizzou Tigers 2nd, before ColoradoThat is surprising to me, but one of the reasons I wanted to post this was to get thoughts from other fanbases. Did the Colorado season-ending "rivalry" in the old B12 feel "forced"? Is that why? Just curious.
I think the reason why Nebraska-Minnesota has been a relatively friendly series since the Huskers joined the league is that it's a series that dates to the primordial ooze era of CFB, both fanbases and the Gophers are still the only B1G team that is above .500 all time.Do you mean to say that the Gophers are the only B1G team above .500 against the Cornhuskers? If so, I think this is wrong. AFAIK, the Buckeyes are 5-1:
OSU:I agree 100% on the top priority. I'm also fine with the idea of the "payday" game being against an in-state opponent.
My top priority is having a National Marquee Game every year (H-A.) 2nd priority, I also really like having an Ohio Team on the schedule (H.) For that 3rd OOC I'd prefer it to NOT be another "payday" game against a G5 opponent. If it could be a 2 for 1 with a lower P5 opponent, or even a H-A-Neutral site game that could work. And if it were a neutral site game, I think a Kentucky or Louisville game played in Cincinnati would be a border war blast. If you take 71S from Columbus there are a couple big Billboards the proclaim "Hell Is Real." How cool would it be to have a Hell Is Real rivalry with Louisville (Or if Cincinnati get restored to P5 status with the Bearcats.)
Do you mean to say that the Gophers are the only B1G team above .500 against the Cornhuskers? If so, I think this is wrong. AFAIK, the Buckeyes are 5-1:UW is 8-4 against UNL (2-3 before becoming conference mates).
- Ohio State won two games in Columbus in the 1950's
- Ohio State lost the first ever B1G game played in Lincoln, Nebraska (I was there with @FearlessF (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10) )
- Ohio State has won three B1G games against Nebraska since then
That is surprising to me, but one of the reasons I wanted to post this was to get thoughts from other fanbases. Did the Colorado season-ending "rivalry" in the old B12 feel "forced"? Is that why? Just curious.oh, it wasn't forced. The Ralphie fans and those top notch Buffs teams made it a rivalry for sure.
Do you mean to say that the Gophers are the only B1G team above .500 against the Cornhuskers? If so, I think this is wrong. AFAIK, the Buckeyes are 5-1:before the Huskers joined the B1G the Hoosiers were 9-7-3 vs the Huskers
- Ohio State won two games in Columbus in the 1950's
- Ohio State lost the first ever B1G game played in Lincoln, Nebraska (I was there with @FearlessF (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10) )
- Ohio State has won three B1G games against Nebraska since then
McCartney definitely played the 'red letter' game up, banning Big Red soda from store shelves, etc. It was a little forced, at least at the outset, but the game deserved rivalry status, at least for a 20 yr period.* It was useful that CU ascended as OU went through its dark age period post-Switzer. Same with KSU.I think this is the key. If Penn State and Michigan State had both been as good, together, for a decade, like Nebraska and Colorado were, I think that would have gained more traction too. Granted as it was maybe starting to, with the new divisions, the Big Ten took it away again, go figure.
Ed Zachery. And they developed a strong program.
The other thing Nebraska-Colorado had, is that while Nebraska viewed Oklahoma as the rival, Colorado didn't have a natural #1 rival in conference otherwise, so they fully bought in. Neither MSU or PSU is ever going to fully buy into that rivalry as long as UM and OSU are still in the conference.
My analysis, potential annual OOC rivalries for each B1G school:i'd be ok if you penciled in bama for psu. we had a decade of h/h games back in 80's, and a quick h/h a few years back. i think most bama/psu fans would be up for an almost annual matchup between them. there's no geographical ties nor any historical conference ties, but we do have history together.
Penn State:
This one is obvious, Pittsburgh. OTOH, I can understand why a lot of Penn State fans might not want Pittsburgh as an annual rival. It might be bad for business generally to treat Pittsburgh as an equal. If not Pitt though, it would be between Syracuse and West Virginia and those don't seem any better.
OSU:That sounds like my template for making Non-Conference schedules on the XBox.
My top priority is having a National Marquee Game every year (H-A.) 2nd priority, I also really like having an Ohio Team on the schedule (H.) For that 3rd OOC I'd prefer it to NOT be another "payday" game against a G5 opponent. If it could be a 2 for 1 with a lower P5 opponent.
I don't think an NCAA FB game would get very much traction in Canadia, but like the outside of the box thinkin'
- Boston College in Montreal
- Syracuse in Toronto
- Washington in Vancouver
I don't think an NCAA FB game would get very much traction in Canadia, but like the outside of the box thinkin'the Big 12 could benefit from the Horns playing in Mexico City
as a previous tOSU fan I love the idea of Bucks/HuskersYeah, I can live with losing Nebraska to Penn State, I suppose.
but, much more history with PSU.... and if yer Frost, why knock heads with the biggest Gorilla in the cage every season
had that with the Sooners for more than a few decades
can always meet in Indy if both teams are elite
I could live with thatNot me. UCLA?
I mis-spoke. I thought that at the time Nebraska joined the league, MN was the most-played OOC series for Nebraska.I always thought that was the case too.
I don't think an NCAA FB game would get very much traction in Canadia, but like the outside of the box thinkin'Well, as @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) said, Montreal is a great destination. Ohio State fans are known for travelling REALLY well so Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver would benefit from the tourism while the NCAA would benefit from the new potential viewers and I *THINK* that the teams playing in Montreal/Toronto/Vancouver could play an extra game that year because I think that the NCAA exempts one game played outside the continental US.
I agree 100% on the top priority. I'm also fine with the idea of the "payday" game being against an in-state opponent.To clarify, Cincinnati was only if they gained P5 status. And the Cincinnati, Louisville, Kentucky would be a 1 shot (H-A or H-A-N), not an ongoing series.
I really like the idea of doing 2 for 1 deals with lower P5's and I would include high-end non P5 teams in that discussion. Ie, I thought MSU's 2 for 1 deal with Boise made a lot of sense. I could also go for a H-A-N three game series with a quality opponent.
I agree that Kentucky or Louisville with some perhaps played in Cincy would be great, but not as an every-year thing. I'd like that as an occasional or one-off thing.
I have less than zero interest in anything that approaches treating UC as an equal. That would be bad for long-term business and I would be adamantly opposed.
If you really wanted to get creative I'd be interested in some foreign neutral site games (perhaps as part of H-A-N or mixed 2 for 1/HAN deals):
- Boston College in Montreal
- Syracuse in Toronto
- Washington in Vancouver
@847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) :Are you trolling Badge, or haven't you read his posts before? ;)
BYU's collapse really torpedoed UW's SoS last year but I would like to not a couple of things:
If the other two had included Alabama then it wouldn't have been a problem. Ya know, now that I think about it, why doesn't Wisconsin schedule a H&H with Bama. That seems pretty simple, no?
Bama and Wisconsin should play home and home. Make some history.if it was up to me, we'd have a lot of games like those. maybe we can play in ttown/madison someday.
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For some reason the "quote" feature isn't working for me right now but yeah, that was 100% trolling.
Quote function.. Open in a new tab and it should work. That's what I have to do sometimes.Thank you. It works fine in a new tab.
Maybe @Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1) knows the fix?(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbitsocialmedia.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F07%2FInternet-Troll.jpg&hash=11032e0f751a4e1cb5ad5159988a13ab)
@847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5)But of course!
Sorry for the troll, I figured that you would see that I was joking. I think you did . . .
To clarify, Cincinnati was only if they gained P5 status. And the Cincinnati, Louisville, Kentucky would be a 1 shot (H-A or H-A-N), not an ongoing series.Ok, I'm in almost 100% agreement then. I'd like to at least try for 2-for-1 or H-A-N-H with schools like UC, Louisville, Kentucky.
Here's their NCG highlights from last year.I knew a guy at MSU who was a HS football star in Canada. Could have played at any of the major programs up there he wanted. He couldn't even get a walk on spot at MSU, and that was when MSU was awful (like 03-05ish)
Mt Union would crush these guys.
I knew a guy at MSU who was a HS football star in Canada. Could have played at any of the major programs up there he wanted. He couldn't even get a walk on spot at MSU, and that was when MSU was awful (like 03-05ish)Not only are the top Canadian teams rather mediocre, the drop off after the top four or five teams is absolutely astonishing.
I would like to see the Iowa State game reduced to once every two or three years to be replaced by Iowa's traditional OOC rival Notre Dame, and if Iowa State were every 3-years, a military academy.I think it is a reach to refer to Notre Dame as "Iowa's traditional OOC rival". The two schools have played 24 times, 20 since the last year of WWII and not since 1968. Additionally, while Iowa won the first three meetings ('21, 39, 40) since then the Hawkeyes are just 5-13-3. Iowa's five wins over the Irish came in a six year 5-1 run from 1956-1961.
It might be traditional for a man who actually witnessed the games and experienced the rivalry.Quote works again, thank you @Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1) .
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The best Canadian product I remember at Nebraska was IB Dahrran Diedrick. He was the first to get a schollie. He led the XII in rushing one season in '01 I believe. He had a cup of coffee in the NFL, but later played for awhile in the CFL. I believe he's still alive, though he has a rare type of lymphoma.Tony Mandarich is obviously the best from MSU, although technically he came to the US for his last couple years of HS IIRC.
Tony Mandarich is obviously the best from MSU, although technically he came to the US for his last couple years of HS IIRC.I think the key thing to note with those guys is that all three of them went to college in the US. Are there examples of NFL draftees coming from Canadian colleges?
Since then, Tim Biakabatuka at Michigan and Jesse Palmer at Florida are the top two I can remember.
I think the key thing to note with those guys is that all three of them went to college in the US. Are there examples of NFL draftees coming from Canadian colleges?That Chiefs offensive lineman who finished Med School and was just denied by the NFL the ability to add M.D. to his uniform was. I think he went to McGill?
Most of the top Canadian FB players go to college in the USA. They do so because the Canadian schools don't offer athletic scholarships (hence the reason their Ice Hockey sucks), and because they get better training.This reminds me of most co-ed sports that I have ever witnessed or participated in. Typically there is a rule that you have to have at least # of women on the team and at least # of women on the court/field. From what I have seen the athletic variation among the guys usually isn't nearly as extreme as the variation among the women. Consequently, the team with the best female athletes basically always wins.
The CFL has an "import rule" that requires each CFL team to fill up half of their roster with Canadian players, and a certain number of Canadian players have to be on the field for every play. The top Canadian players in that league tend to be from the NCAA, but there are a lot from Canadian Colleges as well.
Really there's not enough Canadian talent to go around, so the team that can amass the most Canadian talent has a huge advantage. You could have the top NFL rejects available, but if you are neglecting the Canadian half of the roster then you aren't going to get very far in that league.
BUt the BEST teams had female quarterbacks.Damn fems smacking around ELAs team,makes you wish you could throw like a girl
I like the female QBs in the Lingerie bowlLooks like it's gonna be the Yoga Pants Bowl this year. :'(
Looks like it's gonna be the Yoga Pants Bowl this year. :'(Gotta go with the split zone/man on here
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