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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Mdot21 on February 24, 2024, 08:04:29 AM
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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39585390/ncaa-enforce-nil-rules-judge-grants-injunction
federal judge grants an injunction barring NCAA from enforcing rules on NIL whatsoever. major blow to those dickless twats at the NCAA. just one final step closer to the end of a bloated carcass, antiquated, useless relic of the ancient past known as the NCAA.
excerpts:
The attorneys general of Tennessee and Virginia argued that the NCAA is illegally restricting opportunities for student-athletes by preventing them from negotiating the terms of NIL deals prior to deciding where they want to go school. The lawsuit was filed Jan. 31, one day after University of Tennessee chancellor Donde Plowman revealed in a letter to the NCAA that the school's athletic department was being investigated for potential recruiting rules violations.
In Friday's ruling, Corker determined that the attorneys general have a reasonable chance of winning their case and that student-athletes could suffer irreparable harm if the restrictions remain in place while the case is being decided.
Anthony Skrmetti, Tennessee's attorney general, said in a statement Friday that his office plans to litigate the case "to the fullest extent necessary to ensure the NCAA's monopoly cannot continue."
"The NCAA is not above the law, and the law is on our side," Skrmetti said.
Virginia Attorney General Jason Miyares called the win in court "rewarding" and saw it as an extension of the Supreme Court ruling in the NCAA vs. Alston case in 2021, which he said should have put the NCAA "on notice" for its legal vulnerabilities.
"We're finally getting to the point where you're seeing real student athlete empowerment at the collegiate level," Miyares told ESPN in a phone interview late Friday. "The NCAA in an arbitrary and capricious manner was trying to restrict that."
Miyares said the NCAA model has gotten to the point where it's unsustainable, pointing out the billion-dollar NCAA tournament television contract that was signed without the players getting any cut of it. The potential of change to NIL rules that would come with this ruling could just be the start.
"I think could be the first steps of significant change," he said. "And I think it's been coming for a long time."
College athletics attorney Tom Mars, who worked with a Tennessee collective, Spyre Sports Group, on this case, said the ruling could mark the beginning of the end for the NCAA.
"I think this will be one more brick in the wall that is the end of the NCAA," Mars said. "Short of intervention by Congress, the demise of the NCAA now seems inevitable based on nothing but a financial analysis, as it appears the NCAA is poised to lose all of its upcoming antitrust cases. The cumulative effect of which, could make the NCAA financially insolvent."
"A bad case is a bad case, and they've put all their defenses forward," Mars added. "And there's no precedent anywhere in the United States that supports their defenses."
when the attorney general of a US state is going after you, well, you're in trouble.
me dancing on their grave....
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When folks talk about creating rules to level the playing field for programs with less money......
Tell it to the judge
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So, the NCAA goes away, and is replaced by ... the "NCAA" Ver. 2.0.
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I can see it now.
1. B1G and SEC withdraw from the NCAA.
2. M1G and SEC form a non-profit LLC, which will be available to
3. Collectively bargain with their new union employees (players).
4. FSU wins lawsuit against the ACC, due to its being in the ACC limits $ opportunities for FSU athletes.
5. Two 24 school Super-conferences are born.
6. CFB is now dead.
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When will they start drafting freshmen and sophs?
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ASAP.
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I can see it now.
1. B1G and SEC withdraw from the NCAA.
2. M1G and SEC form a non-profit LLC, which will be available to
3. Collectively bargain with their new union employees (players).
4. FSU wins lawsuit against the ACC, due to its being in the ACC limits $ opportunities for FSU athletes.
5. Two 24 school Super-conferences are born.
6. CFB is now dead.
Exactly. I find it amazing that people are celebrating the fact the sport we all ( used to) love has no governance. It may as well be WWE.
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I've been saying this for years: the NCAA better fix it's model, or someone else is going to fix it for them. Hizzonor just fixed it.
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Good analogy.
I don't watch WWE.
This is gonna become a cooking board or something.
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I've been saying this for years: the NCAA better fix it's model, or someone else is going to fix it for them. Hizzonor just fixed it.
What got fixed? Something that was limping along just got killed.
There are now basically no rules. Complete free agency without a salary cap.
We all used to say we feared CFB was becoming like the NFL. Hell, the NFL model would now be a substantial upgrade.
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If Wild West is "fixed", I've been wrong about the meaning of "fixed" for 57+ years.
Damn.
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So, the NCAA goes away, and is replaced by ... the "NCAA" Ver. 2.0.
No, no, no.
The NCAA goes away, you put up a big "Mission Accomplished" sign, and then don't replace it with anything and duck out 18 years later.
Duh.
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as long as you don't limit an 18 year old's ability to take money from boosters it's legal
regardless of governing body
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The NCAA can't go away at least not until they justifiably hang the cheating weasels and implicate the thicko who beat it out of Dodge
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This is gonna become a cooking board or something.
For some of us, it already is.
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For some of us, it already is.
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😂😂😂
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I can see it now.
1. B1G and SEC withdraw from the NCAA.
2. M1G and SEC form a non-profit LLC, which will be available to
3. Collectively bargain with their new union employees (players).
4. FSU wins lawsuit against the ACC, due to its being in the ACC limits $ opportunities for FSU athletes.
5. Two 24 school Super-conferences are born.
6. CFB is now dead.
I see it as CFB is now being saved. NCAA is a relic of the past, you either evolve and change with the times, or you die, and they are just about dead- and they have no one to blame here but themselves.
By the way, there are way too many D-1/FBS teams as things stand. 138 or whatever the hell it is now is a joke. No one cares about 75% of these teams. It's way too bloated as is. 48 or so can break off, the other 90 can stay in the NCAA and stay FBS or go back down to FCS- who fcking cares. Sayonara, see ya later, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
This is what needs to happen, and the thing will be saved...
B1G & SEC leave the NCAA, band together, swallow up what's worth taking from ACC, ND, etc., and form a super league of about 48 teams.
They form and join a new governing body called the NCFA or NCFL or some shit like that- National College Football Association or National College Football League. Whatever. The schools will all own ownership in the NCFA/NCFL. NCFA/NCFL negotiates even more ginormous insane TV contracts than the B1G/SEC presently have on their own and forms their own playoff, which they will now own, so F right off ESPN.
The players will now become employees, sign contracts, unionize, and sign a CBA with the NCFA/NCFL. There is an agreed upon spend/salary cap on what schools can pay their players- best thing would probably be a wage scale based on position and class (QB's make more than other positions and so on and so forth, SRs make more than Fresh), can throw in bonuses for players hitting certain academic marks, graduating early - whatever. This kills the portal, because now that kids are signing contracts and being compensated as employees, they can't just leave willy nilly. This likely also drastically cuts down on NIL being used as an inducement for recruiting- as these kids are getting paid the same thing base no matter where they go in this new NCFA/NCFL, and the NIL will start going to who it was intended to- the established bonafide star players of the NCFA/NCFL and not snot nosed high school kids who haven't done or proven sh*t all in some desperate attempt to get them to come to x,y,z school.
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The king is dead. Long live the king.
Rules and governance are still required, whatever replaces the NCAA will be charged with the same mission as the NCAA and so the new rules and governance will necessarily look very similar to the old ones.
Congratulations you just took one step forward and two steps back.
This sport is dead man walking.
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The schools will all own ownership in the NCFA/NCFL. NCFA/NCFL negotiates even more ginormous insane TV contracts than the B1G/SEC presently have on their own and forms their own playoff, which they will now own, so F right off ESPN.
Only if the masses keep watching.
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Only if the masses keep watching.
They will.
CFB is by far the 2nd most popular thing period to watch live on tv behind only the NFL. It’s not close. Football rules television ratings in America. NFL is the king, and CFB is it’s prince.
And more than half of those tv eye balls come from fans of like 16 schools. There are 138 schools. This alone tells you the product is too watered down and saturated with a bunch of nothings that aren’t doing anything but sucking up oxygen.
Those major brands will always bring the eye balls no matter what.
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all of what you say can be true MDot, as you're viewing this exclusively from a 'TV' standpoint. Some of us don't Fking care what dominates TV ratings, as we're into the game of 'college football' and the trimmings which have historically been associated with college football. Good for the nfl and small number of brand name college programs which draw eyeballs. whoopty freaking do. Despite being 'king' there are hundreds of millions of people who don't watch pro football. The B1G, among others, have been a TV network posing as a conference for sometime now. The cessation of the game as the 'thing' is the tragedy. It is now simply content for media properties.
The depletion and degradation of 'college football' as known and understood for the bulk of the 20th C and some portion of this century is what many of us express disappointment over. The existence, grotesque as it is, of the NCAA and its ultimate and apparent demise will largely be a footnote in all of this. Don't over read into this as an appeal out of romanticism, or nostalgia for b&w TVs or Knute Rockne speeches. Count me uninterested in a facsimile of pro football.
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all of what you say can be true MDot, as you're viewing this exclusively from a 'TV' standpoint. Some of us don't Fking care what dominates TV ratings, as we're into the game of 'college football' and the trimmings which have historically been associated with college football. Good for the nfl and small number of brand name college programs which draw eyeballs. whoopty freaking do. Despite being 'king' there are hundreds of millions of people who don't watch pro football. The B1G, among others, have been a TV network posing as a conference for sometime now. The cessation of the game as the 'thing' is the tragedy. It is now simply content for media properties.
The depletion and degradation of 'college football' as known and understood for the bulk of the 20th C and some portion of this century is what many of us express disappointment over. The existence, grotesque as it is, of the NCAA and its ultimate and apparent demise will largely be a footnote in all of this. Don't over read into this as an appeal out of romanticism, or nostalgia for b&w TVs or Knute Rockne speeches. Count me uninterested in a facsimile of pro football.
It's a certain argument that lies under the surface, while @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) says the quiet part out loud.
It's quite obvious that the powers that be don't give a flying fk about anyone beyond about 20-25 college football programs. They want to do whatever they can to fuel the interest, the money, the eyeballs, to competition between those programs.
Their assumption, as Mdot so eloquently stated, is that the rest of us will just keep watching like sheep. What are we going to do, turn off the TV? Fk that, this is America. We're going to give you NFL Lite and you're gonna like it, dammit!
I mean...
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In all honesty, though, I can't necessarily say he's wrong. They're going to completely ruin everything that's great about college football, and they'll probably generate even MORE money in the process.
But there's a group out there, including me and a few people on this board, normally hardcore CFB fans, that are saying:
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For some of us, it already is.
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Art imitating life,kinda prophetic
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What ever the next version of the NCAA is called, it will end up being a minor league to the NFL. Either in partnership with or designed in a similar fashion. University Presidents and boards will tire of alumni donating to players and not their schools so they'll come up with a salary cap or wages and players will sign contracts that hold them in place longer than 1 year to help mute the transfer portal impact.
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Once everything is under the umbrellas of the B1G and SEC, it COULD resort back in a way. Within each conference, there could be divisions re-created geographically.
If the decision-makers are wise and care about the long-term health of the sport, they'd do something like that. Even a traditional bowl system with a +1 as needed would be possible.
But it'll probably just be all about the short-sighted next TV deal.
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It has always been short sighted. Some of this was inevitable, maybe most of it. The problem is that it has just been a bunch of short-term solutions. Hell, even the transfer portal seemed like a reaction to stop players from unionizing to be paid. Only to find out that they would get paid anyway, and now they had a vehicle to try and get as much money as they could every single year on the open market.
They keep trying to launch spring football leagues, and the answer as to why they don't work, is because nobody has a rooting interest. At this point, I truly do not understand how anyone has a rooting interest in college football. It's a random year-to-year roster, that at least slaps the logo on their helmet that They share with some of the fans that root for the team. It has become rooting for laundry at an even greater rate than professional sports, while performing at a lesser rate. I guess it has history, which the XFL does not. But at this point, I fail to see a difference between the two minor leagues
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What ever the next version of the NCAA is called, it will end up being a minor league to the NFL.
I think we all agree on this point. It's not certain, as you note, exactly what it will be.
I THINK the last major barrier to this will be when the NFL allows freshmen to be drafted, etc., and even kids out of HS. Maybe the NFL signs a HS kid and tells him "You need a year or two in the "minors" and he goes to college (sort of). Whether he takes classes might be optional. There is at least today the illusion these are students.
I hardly ever hear now about a player being academically ineligible. I think they have mastered the technique of giving them courses they can pass easily.
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It has always been short sighted. Some of this was inevitable, maybe most of it. The problem is that it has just been a bunch of short-term solutions. Hell, even the transfer portal seemed like a reaction to stop players from unionizing to be paid. Only to find out that they would get paid anyway, and now they had a vehicle to try and get as much money as they could every single year on the open market.
They keep trying to launch spring football leagues, and the answer as to why they don't work, is because nobody has a rooting interest. At this point, I truly do not understand how anyone has a rooting interest in college football. It's a random year-to-year roster, that at least slaps the logo on their helmet that They share with some of the fans that root for the team. It has become rooting for laundry at an even greater rate than professional sports, while performing at a lesser rate. I guess it has history, which the XFL does not. But at this point, I fail to see a difference between the two minor leagues
Didn't they just merge? USFL and XFL? I think it's called the UFL now.
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So, the current factors that separate CFB from NFL Minor Leagues are:
1. Players are nominally students.
2. Players can't be drafted until three years out of HS.
3. The rules are a bit different, this is eroding quickly.
4. Winning your conference means something usually.
5. Larger stadia often as not in CFB, at least with the elite teams.
6. Quite a few teams are pastries.
7. We still have bowl games for 6-6 teams, and worse.
8. CFB relies heavily on "donations".
There are a few more I suppose.
Differences that have gone away are pretty clear,
1. You can draft juniors now.
2. CFB has a playoff similar to the NFL.
3. Colleges have mostly figured out a specific set of courses that keep a player eligible that are creative.
4. Players get paid, a lot in some cases, nothing in many cases.
5. ...
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What will be, will be. I have no choice but to accept that, or quit watching. I don’t want to quit watching.
There is only one thing that will eventually lead me turn off the TV, and is a non negotiable going forward. And I feel that I am not alone….
Fix the portal. I need to know who I am cheering for on a year to year basis. I have no interest in cheering for mercenaries from Alabama, or A&M, or whoever, that I actively cheered against with all my heart the year before.
Now he is my guy? Naw, F that.
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Limiting a kids ability to make money just because he doesn't excel in the classroom could be the next domino to fall
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Limiting a kids ability to make money just because he doesn't excel in the classroom could be the next domino to fall
I doubt it if only because it never seems to happen anymore. I don't want to take credit for this notion because @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) has pointed it out but I agree with him. It seems that all the major schools have devised ways to keep their star athletes eligible.
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I think they have to be enrolled for 12 quarter hours of classes, which isn't much, it takes 15 per quarter to graduate on time. I presume the various courses designed to get a student up to college level count for this, like reading. The first year should be pretty easy, and they have tutors who no doubt know all the tests ahead of time, so it can be rote memorization to pass a test. I don't know the required GPA, but it's probably below 2.0? (C).
I'd guess an average fourth grader could manage this pretty well, and then qualify to be on the CFP committee.
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Back in the day, TV would show a player and his major, they don't any more unless it's the single played on both teams singled out for some academic notice. Even then, it's often a player with a 3.1 GPA in PhysEd or something. I'm sure it got to be too noticeable when most of your team was majoring in "consumer economics" and "Spanish".
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Limiting a kids ability to make money just because he doesn't excel in the classroom could be the next domino to fall
Does he even have to be a student?
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Ed Zachary
A kid that is denied admission to Wisconsin is being limited to benefit from NIL
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it's happennnnning....B1G & SEC are discussing ditching the NCAA....
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39619331/sources-14-team-college-football-playoff-momentum
One high-ranking official involved in the discussions told ESPN on Wednesday that the presidents and chancellors in both the SEC and Big Ten are having conversations about whether to continue their NCAA membership. It's a move that would impact and could possibly derail the TV agreement.
"Those conversations are happening," the source said, adding some feel "pretty strongly about pulling away. I'd say very strongly."
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Obviously they won't, but I wish MSU would leave the Big Ten if that happened. Killing all college athletics, to turn it into a shitty NFL. I would be totally out
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NCAA to be killed and replaced by nCaA
Totally different thing.
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Obviously they won't, but I wish MSU would leave the Big Ten if that happened. Killing all college athletics, to turn it into a shitty NFL. I would be totally out
Same here. Although it sounds like I'm griping about the possibility that a breakaway would exclude my team, I actually would prefer they do.
They're already destroying a beautiful and unique sport. If they complete the job, I'd rather "my team" abstain.
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it's happennnnning....B1G & SEC are discussing ditching the NCAA....
Not until they bitch slap the Ann Arbor Astros
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Turns out, the mythical national championship was an important mythology for us.
Better than a religion, anyway.
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What would be the monetary advantages of ditching the NCAA? You also could "reform" it, in theory, especially power conference folks.