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Title: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: rolltidefan on February 20, 2024, 11:41:48 AM
https://collegefootballplayoff.com/news/2024/2/20/5-7-format-confirmed.aspx

The College Football Playoff (CFP) Board of Managers today unanimously revised the qualifying criteria for the 12-team event to now include the five highest-ranked conference champions, plus the next seven highest-ranked teams as determined by the CFP Selection Committee.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2024, 11:42:51 AM
Fourth graders.   
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: rolltidefan on February 20, 2024, 11:43:28 AM
more detail

Under the 12-team playoff format that begins this fall, the four highest-ranked conference champions will be seeded one through four and each will receive a first-round bye, while teams seeded five through 12 will play each other in the first round on the home field of the higher-ranked team. (The team ranked #5 will host #12; team #6 will meet team #11; team #7 will play team #10; and team #8 will meet #9.) The quarterfinals and semifinals will be played in the New Year's Six bowl games, the national championship game will continue to be at a neutral site. No conference will qualify automatically and there will be no limit on the number of participants from a conference.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2024, 11:57:35 AM
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 20, 2024, 11:42:51 AM
Fourth graders. 
Well played!
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2024, 12:00:18 PM
Quote from: rolltidefan on February 20, 2024, 11:43:28 AM
the four highest-ranked conference champions will be seeded one through four and each will receive a first-round bye
Even though this is probably bad for my team, I'm glad it is set up this way. 

It makes the conference title races meaningful because you get a free pass into the quarter-finals by winning a top league.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2024, 12:12:04 PM
Quote from: rolltidefan on February 20, 2024, 11:43:28 AM
The quarterfinals and semifinals will be played in the New Year's Six bowl games, the national championship game will continue to be at a neutral site. 
I could probably google this, but what are they going to do schedule-wise? Obviously the NY6 bowl games today all happen today in a 2-day span, where you'll need a week between them for quarterfinals followed by semifinals for the teams to have recover/preparation...
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Gigem on February 20, 2024, 03:30:13 PM
What about the Pac 2?  
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2024, 03:38:53 PM
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2024, 12:12:04 PM
I could probably google this, but what are they going to do schedule-wise? Obviously the NY6 bowl games today all happen today in a 2-day span, where you'll need a week between them for quarterfinals followed by semifinals for the teams to have recover/preparation...

My guess is seeds 5-12 play two weeks before the NYD 6, or a week before Christmas. Seeds 5-8 play at their home stadiums.

5-12
6-11
7-10
8-9

Then the NYD 6 games are the quarter and semifinals.

Adds another 2 weeks to the season.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2024, 03:54:19 PM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2024, 03:38:53 PM
My guess is seeds 5-12 play two weeks before the NYD 6, or a week before Christmas. Seeds 5-8 play at their home stadiums.

5-12
6-11
7-10
8-9

Then the NYD 6 games are the quarter and semifinals.

Adds another 2 weeks to the season.
Sounds about right. There will be 11 CFP games per year as compared to the 2014-2023 three.

First round probably between CCG's and Christmas.

Quarter-finals roughly NYD

Semi-finals roughly January 10-16.

CG roughly January 17-23.

Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2024, 04:07:23 PM
5-8 can choose the venue.  
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2024, 04:12:06 PM
Why is this called 5-7? Shouldn't it be 4-8?

Or are they saying that the highest ranked G5 winner gets the 5 seed?
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2024, 04:27:44 PM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2024, 04:12:06 PM
Why is this called 5-7? Shouldn't it be 4-8?

Or are they saying that the highest ranked G5 winner gets the 5 seed?
5+7

Five highest ranked league Champions. 

Seven at-large.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2024, 04:30:17 PM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2024, 04:27:44 PM
5+7

Five highest ranked league Champions.

Seven at-large.
B1G
XII
ACC
SEC


And??? 
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2024, 04:38:15 PM
A G5 team. 
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2024, 04:45:52 PM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2024, 04:30:17 PM
B1G
XII
ACC
SEC
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 20, 2024, 04:38:15 PM
A G5 team.
Yes but . . .
My understanding is that they didn't actually name leagues it is just "five highest ranked" so there is at least a theoretical possibility that say the B12 Champion could be excluded if the AAC and CUSA Champions were ranked higher (along with the SEC, B1G, and ACC).
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2024, 05:05:15 PM
Indeed but they had to force one G5 into the mix.   
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2024, 06:10:54 PM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2024, 04:45:52 PM
Yes but . . .
My understanding is that they didn't actually name leagues it is just "five highest ranked" so there is at least a theoretical possibility that say the B12 Champion could be excluded if the AAC and CUSA Champions were ranked higher (along with the SEC, B1G, and ACC).
Right. And I think that's the potential defense against an "unworthy" P4 team somehow sneaking into the CCG and upending a "real" team. 

I.e. trying to avoid the 2010 UConn problem. 
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2024, 06:14:56 PM
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2024, 06:10:54 PM
Right. And I think that's the potential defense against an "unworthy" P4 team somehow sneaking into the CCG and upending a "real" team.

I.e. trying to avoid the 2010 UConn problem.
True, but with the leagues switching to "best two" instead of divisions the chances of one of the P4 producing a Champion outside of the top-5 are probably remote.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 20, 2024, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2024, 04:30:17 PM
B1G
XII
ACC
SEC


And???
And the tallest midget will host a Penn State or Utah and get thumped in front of their home crowd.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 20, 2024, 06:50:34 PM
Dec 20 - Jan 20.

Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2024, 06:56:51 PM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2024, 06:14:56 PM
True, but with the leagues switching to "best two" instead of divisions the chances of one of the P4 producing a Champion outside of the top-5 are probably remote.
Yeah, it helps. Makes sure you don't have someone like a Purdue getting uppity and thinking they're gonna get not only a CFP invite but a bye into the quarterfinals. Gotta keep the riffraff out. 
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 20, 2024, 07:01:40 PM
2023 12-team playoff, with 2024 alignment (so yes, a wonky preview):

1 Michigan (B1G Champ) vs winner of 9 Ohio State @ 8 Georgia

4 Arizona (XII Champ) vs winner of 12 Penn State @ 5 Liberty (HS Champs)

3 FSU (ACC Champ) vs winner of 11 Missouri @ 6 Warshington

2 Texas (SEC Champ) vs winner of 10 Oregon @ 7 Alabama
.
5 Big Ten Teams
4 SEC Teams
1 ACC
1 XII
1 Biberty
.
Under this model, the #2 team in the country is the 6 seed.  Yeah, they'd have played UM, but you're still going to wind up with wonky seedings like that.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2024, 07:05:31 PM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 20, 2024, 06:49:56 PM
And the tallest midget will host a Penn State or Utah and get thumped in front of their home crowd.
Are you sure?

Did they specify that the #5 league Champion gets the #5 seed?
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 20, 2024, 07:08:48 PM
Isn't that why it's a 5+7 and not a 4+8?
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2024, 07:13:00 PM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 20, 2024, 07:08:48 PM
Isn't that why it's a 5+7 and not a 4+8.
Wow, I'm surprised they gave the G5 a home game. Seems silly since, per your example, the LibertyBiberty game would get played in front of 25k at Williams Stadium instead of 100k+ in Happy Valley.

I suppose LibertyBiberty could relocate the game to Charlotte or DC.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 20, 2024, 07:15:51 PM
If I was them, I'd want as few people witnessing that game as possible.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2024, 07:16:49 PM
I don't think anyone has shown data in this thread saying the fifth-highest conference champ will receive the #5 seed and a home game. The top 4 conf champs receive a bye.

I'm guessing Liberty Biberty is going to be the #12 as we all expect, unless someone actually has verified info that hasn't yet been posted here. 
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 20, 2024, 07:21:12 PM
Anyway, it's only a 2-year thing.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2024, 07:21:16 PM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 20, 2024, 07:15:51 PM
If I was them, I'd want as few people witnessing that game as possible.
I'm with you but it isn't about witnesses it is about dollars. Those Playoff game tickets are going to command some serious coin.

The Carolina Panthers play at Clemson's stadium which holds 80k while the Washington Redskins whatever they are now play at FedEx Field which holds 58k.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: LittlePig on February 20, 2024, 07:43:56 PM
The only thing we know for sure is that the top 4 conference champions get a first round bye.

There is no guaruntee that the 5th ranked conference champion will host a first round game.   The only thing the 5th ranked conference champion is guarunteed is a spot in the 12-team field.   
It is also possible a 6th ranked conference champion could make the 12-team field as an at large team. 
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 20, 2024, 07:47:51 PM
I think we're all just hoping for Oregon State to go 11-1. Right?
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 20, 2024, 07:56:19 PM
And we can all enjoy ND never being a top 4 seed.  Ever.  Even if they're 12-0 and everyone else has 2 losses.

Great system.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2024, 08:07:58 PM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 20, 2024, 07:56:19 PM
And we can all enjoy ND never being a top 4 seed.  Ever.  Even if they're 12-0 and everyone else has 2 losses.

Great system.
I view this as literally the best thing about the new system. 
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 20, 2024, 08:42:34 PM
I hate ND as much as the next guy, but if they're potentially the consensus best team in a season, but can't be higher than a 5-seed......just another broken system, lol.

But it sounds like that was their choice.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 20, 2024, 08:53:39 PM
Notre Dame will strike up some deal with the Acc where they get the permanent auto-bid. 
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2024, 07:49:23 AM
I think ND will find a way, I agree.  Two aspects of this new "System" is to ensure some non-P4 team gets in the playoff, and that ND is pressured to change.

As noted, we might expect ND to join the ACC in football only, fairly soon?  Perhaps if FSU et al. drop out?  Can you imagine the ACC if FSU and Clemson leave?
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: FearlessF on February 21, 2024, 08:46:25 AM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 20, 2024, 08:42:34 PM
I hate ND as much as the next guy, but if they're potentially the consensus best team in a season, but can't be higher than a 5-seed......just another broken system, lol.
you obviously do NOT hate ND as much as the next guy
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: utee94 on February 21, 2024, 08:47:09 AM
Quote from: FearlessF on February 21, 2024, 08:46:25 AM
you obviously do NOT hate ND as much as the next guy

facts
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: FearlessF on February 21, 2024, 08:49:14 AM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2024, 07:21:16 PM
I'm with you but it isn't about witnesses it is about dollars. Those Playoff game tickets are going to command some serious coin.

first round games?
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2024, 08:52:51 AM
I think in most cases, the first round games will be fairly expensive for tickets through second parties, like $200-500 depending.  But imagine say Cincinnati is a host team, they would not play at home, they'd move the game to the Cincy NFL venue, same with Wake Forest and Duke and Georgia Tech and several others.

The weather situation could get interesting, we could see Miami (FL) playing AT Wisconsin, in December, or even worse, in ORLANDO.

Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 21, 2024, 08:58:53 AM
Wisconsin's field is torn up now. They are replacing it with a heated field.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: FearlessF on February 21, 2024, 09:06:17 AM
if michigan is runner up in the B1G and plays vs Cincy in Cincy next year, how many Wolvie fans are gonna be excited

or a game vs Biberty?
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2024, 09:08:40 AM
Some of the teams not in P4 conferences also have small stadia of course.  One of them might go 13-0 and get into the 5-8 group and have the game somewhere out of town.  Where would Boise go?  This could get entertaining.

In the main, I suspect the nonP4 team to be ranked 12th and get pounded like a red headed step child.  The fifth ranked team may often be stronger than many of the 1-4 host teams.

Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2024, 09:09:56 AM
Quote from: FearlessF on February 21, 2024, 09:06:17 AM
if michigan is runner up in the B1G and plays vs Cincy in Cincy next year, how many Wolvie fans are gonna be excited

or a game vs Biberty?
This would mean Cincy did NOT win their conference, but was 12-1 I suppose.  I think they'd still move the game out of Nippert stadium if the NFL venue was available.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: FearlessF on February 21, 2024, 09:24:06 AM
why?  Michigan fans aren't gonna fill Nippert
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2024, 09:30:18 AM
Nippter is about 35,000, and they have decent local support.  I think they could sell 50,000 tickets at least.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: FearlessF on February 21, 2024, 09:30:27 AM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 20, 2024, 07:01:40 PM
2023 12-team playoff, with 2024 alignment (so yes, a wonky preview):

1 Michigan (B1G Champ) vs winner of 9 Ohio State @ 8 Georgia

4 Arizona (XII Champ) vs winner of 12 Penn State @ 5 Liberty (HS Champs)

3 FSU (ACC Champ) vs winner of 11 Missouri @ 6 Warshington

2 Texas (SEC Champ) vs winner of 10 Oregon @ 7 Alabama

huh, didn't remember Zona being the Big 12 champ

how many Penn St. fans are going to the big game in Biberty?
or are they waiting to spend time and money on the 2nd round game vs the Big 12 champ Zona?
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 21, 2024, 09:34:25 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/8U7yscX.png)
So, Biberty takes Oklahoma's spot here? 

Biberty at Florida State
Ole Miss at Georgia
Penn State at Ohio State
Missouri at Oregon

Somehow, I think the committee would either raise or lower Penn State to avoid that rematch. We ALL know the real reason TCU didn't drop in 2022. We do know this, right?

And there will be two NYD 6 bowls available each year. Does that mean we get Louisville/Oklahoma and Arizona/LSU?

Somehow, I think the committee would swap Louisville for Notre Dame. Just a hunch.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 21, 2024, 10:05:25 AM
Quote from: FearlessF on February 21, 2024, 09:30:27 AM
huh, didn't remember Zona being the Big 12 champ
He is using 2024 alignments and making assumptions. 

In 2024 Texas can't be B12 Champions because they'll be in the SEC and Zona is the highest ranked of the teams that will be in the B12 in 2024.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 21, 2024, 10:17:43 AM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 21, 2024, 09:34:25 AM
[img width=274.381 height=500]https://i.imgur.com/8U7yscX.png[/img]
So, Biberty takes Oklahoma's spot here?

Biberty at Florida State
Ole Miss at Georgia
Penn State at Ohio State
Missouri at Oregon

Somehow, I think the committee would either raise or lower Penn State to avoid that rematch. We ALL know the real reason TCU didn't drop in 2022. We do know this, right?

And there will be two NYD 6 bowls available each year. Does that mean we get Louisville/Oklahoma and Arizona/LSU?

Somehow, I think the committee would swap Louisville for Notre Dame. Just a hunch.
Notre Dame isn't close enough to get swapped in.

Biberty (#23) is in over #12 Oklahoma but the highest ranked team out of what will be the B12 is #14 Arizona so they are in over #11 Ole Miss.

The field is thus the top-10 plus #14 Zona and #23 LibertyBiberty.

Zona (or whoever wins the B12CG) gets a bye because league Champs change:
So the four byes go to:
Then, assuming the 5th best league Champion gets the #5 seed, the first round hosts are:
They host:

Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2024, 10:29:24 AM
How the 12-team College Football Playoff will work: Teams, schedule, bids | NCAA.com (https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2024-02-20/how-12-team-college-football-playoff-will-work-teams-schedule-bids#:~:text=As mentioned before%2C the four,in their first round games.)

I don't think the fifth highest ranked conference champ will be seeded at 5.

2024-25 CFP Schedule
[th]GAME[/th]
[th]DATE[/th]
First roundDec. 20-21
Fiesta Bowl | QuarterfinalsDec. 31
Peach, Rose, Sugar Bowl | QuarterfinalsJan. 1
Orange Bowl | SemifinalsJan. 9
Cotton Bowl | SemifinalsJan. 10
Atlanta, GA | National ChampionshipJan. 20

Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2024, 10:30:22 AM
As stated in the official announcement by the CFP (https://collegefootballplayoff.com/news/2024/2/20/5-7-format-confirmed.aspx#:~:text=The CFP Selection Committee ranks,receive a first-round bye.), the first rounds would take place at either the home field of the higher-seeded team or another site designated by the higher-seeded program during the week of Saturday, Dec. 21.

Although specific game dates have not yet been announced, we can make predictions on how each matchup will appear. Keep in mind that the No. 12 seed will go to Liberty, as the Flames are the sixth highest-ranked conference champion in the final CFP rankings, replacing Oklahoma — a team that finished third in the Big 12 — as the No. 12 team. 

No. 12 Liberty at No. 5 Florida State
No. 11 Ole Miss at No. 6 Georgia
No. 10 Penn State at No. 7 Ohio State
No. 9 Missouri at No. 8 Oregon


Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 21, 2024, 10:41:55 AM
My post is centered on last season's ranking with the new system.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 21, 2024, 10:46:23 AM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 21, 2024, 10:41:55 AM
My post is centered on last season's ranking with the new system.
It is complicated because there will be less league Champions in 2024 since there will be no Pac.

Two of 2023's top-three league champions (#2 Washington and #3 Texas) will not be in those leagues next year. 
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2024, 10:47:55 AM
Yes, and it's basically not very relevant with all the changes.  One could go back several years and do the "what if" and see how often something weird shows up.  But it's too much work for a hypothetical.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 21, 2024, 10:48:33 AM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on February 21, 2024, 10:46:23 AM
It is complicated because there will be less league Champions in 2024 since there will be no Pac.

Two of 2023's top-three league champions (#2 Washington and #3 Texas) will not be in those leagues next year.
I understand this.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: rolltidefan on February 21, 2024, 10:52:06 AM
Quote from: rolltidefan on February 20, 2024, 11:43:28 AM
more detail

Under the 12-team playoff format that begins this fall, the four highest-ranked conference champions will be seeded one through four and each will receive a first-round bye, while teams seeded five through 12 will play each other in the first round on the home field of the higher-ranked team. (The team ranked #5 will host #12; team #6 will meet team #11; team #7 will play team #10; and team #8 will meet #9.) The quarterfinals and semifinals will be played in the New Year's Six bowl games, the national championship game will continue to be at a neutral site. No conference will qualify automatically and there will be no limit on the number of participants from a conference.
guys i already posted this.

5th conference champ is only guaranteed to be in top 12, not be 5th overall.

i do find the nd conundrum interesting. surely there's a caveat for them in there that just didn't get detailed in this short release.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 21, 2024, 01:54:38 PM
Quote from: rolltidefan on February 21, 2024, 10:52:06 AM
guys i already posted this.

5th conference champ is only guaranteed to be in top 12, not be 5th overall.
There was confusion about #5 based on the nomenclature but I've now seen multiple sources state that the fifth highest ranked league champion is guaranteed only a slot, not the #5 slot, nor even the opportunity to host a first round game. CBS was very clear on this point (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-playoff-bracket-early-predictions-under-5-7-model-as-12-team-format-begins-in-2024-season/amp/):
"the fifth-highest-ranked conference champion is not guaranteed anything other than a spot in the field. If the fifth-highest-ranked conference champion is ranked behind the seven at-large selections, it will be the No. 12 seed. "

Quote from: rolltidefan on February 21, 2024, 10:52:06 AM
i do find the nd conundrum interesting. surely there's a caveat for them in there that just didn't get detailed in this short release.
According to CBS (same link as above), there isn't:
"Notre Dame, since it is not a conference member, will not be eligible for a top-four seed regardless of ranking. The highest seed Notre Dame can have in the current format is the No. 5 seed. The Fighting Irish not only agreed to this but had an intimate role -- via athletic director Jack Swarbrick -- in crafting the 12-team playoff format dating all the way back to the initial proposal in the summer of 2021."

So using last year's final rankings but (awkwardly) retrofitted on 2024's alignments the seeds would roughly be:
First round games (between CCG's and Christmas)
Quarterfinals (NYDish):

Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: MaximumSam on February 21, 2024, 05:28:25 PM
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1760430279678738439
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2024, 05:33:06 PM
I’ll leave the country if they do that.  
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 21, 2024, 06:59:04 PM
In looking at a 14-team bracket, only the top 2 seeds get byes.  That makes me think it would be a power play of the B1G and SEC to dictate their champs automatically get the 1 and 2 seeds.  Maybe that's the "advisory group" idea.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 21, 2024, 07:42:55 PM
Why don't we just restrict FBS to 128 teams? We can have a 7-week college football season. It'll be a single-elimination tournament. Winner after 7 weeks is the champ. 

Seems like something less dumb than this idea. 
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: MarqHusker on February 21, 2024, 09:34:32 PM
lame as it gets.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 21, 2024, 09:47:04 PM
Looks like now the B1G and SEC are wanting 4 guaranteed spots each.  "People are saying"
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: ELA on February 22, 2024, 08:45:13 AM
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on February 21, 2024, 07:42:55 PM
Why don't we just restrict FBS to 128 teams? We can have a 7-week college football season. It'll be a single-elimination tournament. Winner after 7 weeks is the champ.

Seems like something less dumb than this idea.
I did the simulation one year, where teams played a 6 game regular season to start, against division/conference opponents to start.  Then were slotted into a double elimination bracket based on strength of their division, and placement within it.  Every team would play at least 8 games, and the entire second half of the season was nothing but meaningful games.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Cincydawg on February 22, 2024, 08:46:42 AM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

This is not going to end well, one day.  But not "soon".
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: ELA on February 22, 2024, 08:59:41 AM
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 21, 2024, 05:33:06 PM
I’ll leave the country if they do that. 
You do that regularly, and keep coming back
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Cincydawg on February 22, 2024, 09:00:25 AM
Well, yeah.  
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: ELA on February 22, 2024, 11:42:49 AM
Four Big Ten auto-bids going back to the start of the BCS (plus any other top 14 teams)

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Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 22, 2024, 11:47:26 AM
@ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) what do you do about 2012, when Wisconsin won* the conference? Wouldn't they get the B1G's automatic bid?
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: FearlessF on February 22, 2024, 11:55:22 AM
well, ya just had to bring that up

2012 was obviously a rough season for the B1G
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: ELA on February 22, 2024, 11:58:46 AM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 22, 2024, 11:47:26 AM
@ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) what do you do about 2012, when Wisconsin won* the conference? Wouldn't they get the B1G's automatic bid?
Couple things.

Without divisions, they wouldn't have been in the championship game, even as it was.

And I didn't account for who won the title, because for portions of this 7 of the teams weren't even actually in the conference to "win" it.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 22, 2024, 12:01:16 PM
Gotcha. I didn't realize you were playing by the new 2024 rules.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: ELA on February 22, 2024, 12:16:19 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on February 22, 2024, 11:55:22 AM
well, ya just had to bring that up

2012 was obviously a rough season for the B1G
Didn't help that that was back when we actually punished teams for cheating :57:
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 22, 2024, 12:24:32 PM
PSU didn't actually cheat. 
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: ELA on February 22, 2024, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 22, 2024, 12:24:32 PM
PSU didn't actually cheat.
Probably should have, then they could have played in the CCG
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Cincydawg on February 22, 2024, 01:34:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Fm6qNiP.png)

From this Sallee fellow, just guesswork of course.

UGA would have to have beaten Ole Miss, Texas, and Alabama on the road, maybe losing one, and then winning again in the CG.

They also play Clemson in ATL.  Seems like a tough job even for a very good team.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 22, 2024, 08:54:29 PM

Everyone has a few redeeming qualities. 

For example, I'll bet that Jerry Sandusky never once sped through a school zone. 
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2024, 07:37:33 AM
I thought he wasn't allowed in school zones.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 23, 2024, 08:22:41 PM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 22, 2024, 12:24:32 PM
PSU didn't actually cheat.
No, they just roleplayed at being the Catholic church...
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2024, 08:28:27 PM
How many school teachers get busted every year? 
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 23, 2024, 11:26:05 PM
Seems like they're mostly women lately.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 23, 2024, 11:38:21 PM
Ahhh, 2012.
.
1 Alabama vs winner of 9 LSU @ 8 Georgia
.
4 FSU vs winner of 12 Northern Illinois @ 5 Notre Dame
.
3 Stanford vs winner of 11 South Carolina @ 6 Florida
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2 Kansas St vs winner of 10 Texas A&M @ 7 Oregon
.
Without any Texas/OU help, the SEC would have gotten 6 teams in the 12-team playoff.
#1 ND would be a 5-seed.
The MAC champ was ranked higher than any Big East team, so they don't matter.
Oregon is 4 seeds lower than Stanford, the PAC champ, despite being ranked 2 spots higher in the BCS standings.
Florida is a 6-seed despite being ranked 3rd.
Alabama's 2nd round game is guaranteed to be a rematch.
The 6 vs 11 game is a rematch.
FSU, while being ranked 12th in the BCS, is a 4 seed.
K-State is the 2-seed, but ranked 5th after allowing 50+ points to unranked Baylor.
Lastly, #1 ND could win 4 games and the national championship as the lower seed in every game.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: FearlessF on February 24, 2024, 08:14:15 AM
Fun

For all the folks insisting that we just had to have a playoff 
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: Cincydawg on February 24, 2024, 08:26:07 AM
It has been a popular concept for decades among "fans", not as much here.  And it brings in more money of course.  I'm surprised it took this long, and that they let fourth graders onto the Comittee.

Basketball once had what, 24 teams?  And the NIT was sort of a thing for lesser programs.  Then 64 and that wasn't even enough.

Folks bet, that's a part of it all, and do these picking sheets all over.  And folks watch, often at sports bars, of which we have a profusion serving a gillion beers and indifferent boring food.  Our favorite Korean fried chicken place has now added two large TV.  Sean, the owner, had told me that was something he didn't want to do back in the day.  He didn't want to be a sports bar, and there is a huge one just next door to him (called "Taco Mac" oddly enough).

Tis all very American.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 24, 2024, 09:16:20 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/fv9vTTy.png)
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 24, 2024, 09:39:24 AM
Imagine the HC learning his playoff opponent was Navy, lol.  He'd blow a gasket.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: ELA on February 24, 2024, 10:30:35 AM
James Franklin would have a lifetime contract
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 24, 2024, 10:37:15 AM
So, we're supposed to be shaking in our boots about these West Coast schools coming in?

None of them have out-performed UW or MSU on that list, and UCLA isn't even on it.

Yeah, OK. We're skeered.
Title: Re: cfp format confirmed, 5-7
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 24, 2024, 11:26:51 AM
Quote from: ELA on February 24, 2024, 10:30:35 AM
James Franklin would have a lifetime contract
Florida would be relevant, too!