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Title: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 16, 2023, 02:07:49 PM
Today's games:

Myrtle Beach Bowl - Georgia Southern vs. Ohio

New Orleans Bowl - Jacksonville State vs. Louisiana

Cure Bowl - Miami (Ohio) vs. Appalachian State

New Mexico Bowl - Fresno State vs. New Mexico State

LA Bowl - UCLA vs. Boise State

Independence Bowl - Texas Tech vs. Cal

So as an Arizona guy, if I want to start the Bowl Season as an obnoxious conference chest thumper (“SEC! SEC! SEC!”) who am I supposed to root for in the Independence Bowl? Cal, who is abandoning the Pac 12 like Arizona? Or Texas Tech in the Big 12 conference Arizona is leaving for?
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 16, 2023, 02:08:56 PM
XII-XII-XII!!
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 16, 2023, 02:09:38 PM
LA Bowl - UCLA vs. Boise State
B1G-B1G-B1G

................

I can't f'ing believe this.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: utee94 on December 16, 2023, 03:47:35 PM
Rooting for UCLA because go B1G!

Rooting for Texas Tech because Aaron Rodgers is a whiney titty baby who decided to pop off again last week and he can go eff himself with a rusty nail file.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 16, 2023, 03:55:27 PM
😂




(https://i.imgur.com/fAcqcUj.png)
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: utee94 on December 16, 2023, 04:04:40 PM




:cool2:

Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 16, 2023, 05:49:33 PM
Were those Ohio's normal helmets, with the black?  Looked great.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 16, 2023, 05:50:47 PM
The Redhawks are pulling a Michigan against Appalachian State. 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 17, 2023, 06:31:46 PM
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1736507223365591231
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: utee94 on December 18, 2023, 09:41:00 AM
😂




(https://i.imgur.com/fAcqcUj.png)


Berkeley's "Revenge Game" eh?

(https://i.imgur.com/ALQY3Ja.png)
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Kris60 on December 18, 2023, 06:15:40 PM
WKU comes back from 28-0 to beat Old Dominion 38-35 in OT.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 19, 2023, 08:46:15 AM
Sounds like an FCS quarterfinal match up. 

Nope. 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 19, 2023, 09:23:48 AM
As expected, our QB won't play the bowl vs. Wisconsin.  I don't blame him and it will be good work for next year's QB, but it sure would've been fun to see him do his thing in an LSU jersey one more time.  
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 19, 2023, 09:56:03 AM
LSU is still the better team and should win.

UW is gonna look different too. Lots of kids left for the portal and one is opting out for NFL training.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 19, 2023, 10:02:22 AM
I wouldn't be so sure.  Have you seen LSU this year? 

Daniels is the offense, without him, who knows what we have.  The defense was the worst I've ever seen, anywhere, including the Lou Tepper years in the 90's. 

At any rate, doesn't matter.  Not long ago I really wanted to win bowl games and it left a bitter taste in my mouth if we didn't.  Now it's just fodder for next year's team.  Win or lose, I'm not expecting to care much. 

But I will watch.  
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 19, 2023, 10:12:18 AM
Coach Fickell said Nussmeier is also a very good QB. 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: utee94 on December 19, 2023, 11:05:21 AM
This year Texas is playing in its first postseason game that I've cared about since 2009.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: ELA on December 19, 2023, 11:42:46 AM
This year Texas is playing in its first postseason game that I've cared about since 2009.

Not that Sugar Bowl against Georgia that seemed like was going to be a launching pad for both programs?
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: utee94 on December 19, 2023, 11:46:12 AM
Not that Sugar Bowl against Georgia that seemed like was going to be a launching pad for both programs?
We had a couple of opt-outs for that one, really took the wind out of my sails.  Winning it was nice but I didn't really care about it until after the fact.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: longhorn320 on December 19, 2023, 12:15:25 PM
I watch every bowl game and get in the Bowl mania contest to boot

Ive been doing it for years

by the end of bowl season my wife isnt speaking to me
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: ELA on December 19, 2023, 12:45:41 PM
I watch every bowl game and get in the Bowl mania contest to boot

Ive been doing it for years

by the end of bowl season my wife isnt speaking to me
I used to be right with you.  I didn't even totally mind the opt outs.  Add in the portal opening before the games, and meh.  I can't remember the last time I was in a bowl contest
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: jgvol on December 19, 2023, 12:57:15 PM
I'll start paying attention somewhere around NYE.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 19, 2023, 12:58:21 PM
Coach Fickell said Nussmeier is also a very good QB.

Find me the coach who says anything but that about backup QBs.  

He had a pretty decent showing in the second half of the SECCG last year when Daniels got hurt, and some pretty underwhelming performances this year, including jack squat against Alabama when Daniels got hurt.  What I'm looking for is how he does with first team reps now, instead of being thrown in with little preparation.  
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Kris60 on December 19, 2023, 10:35:05 PM
I still get in bowl pick ‘em contests and usually put a buck or two on bowl games to keep them interesting.

I’m off until after NYD and just chill around the house so I’m still all in on bowl games.

I’m the guy who will tell you there are too many bowl games but also the guy who has a bowl game on tv every time there is one being played.

I get that I’m part of the problem I complain about.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MarqHusker on December 19, 2023, 10:54:13 PM
Our family did a bowl contest from 1980 until about five years ago.     I watch so few bowls now, and honestly could not correctly identify a non-CFP matchup outside of two games right now.    

Portal w/o sitting a year is the most disruptive event to college sports in my adulthood.   I'm not making a judgment on the practice from the perspective of a player, but it has completely hijacked college sports.   We're watching Merc squads.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 19, 2023, 11:33:05 PM
I'm surprised many bowls aren't off the betting lines.  Do they still do that?  
Like half of Miami's defense is sitting out.  
OU will have their backup QB and half their OL starting in the bowl. 

How in the holy hell are you supposed to prognosticate  that?!?
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Kris60 on December 21, 2023, 11:39:40 PM
When I saw Syracuse had their TE taking some snaps at QB I knew it might be a long night for the Orange.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: longhorn320 on December 21, 2023, 11:45:09 PM
When I saw Syracuse had their TE taking some snaps at QB I knew it might be a long night for the Orange.
yup Talk about a team that was completely clueless

what a waste of a bowl game
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 22, 2023, 07:49:01 AM
When I saw Syracuse had their TE taking some snaps at QB I knew it might be a long night for the Orange.
Gophers had to pay their 3rd string QB $30K from NIL to stay and play in the bowl game. QB's 1 and 2 are in the portal.

This is where we are.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: ELA on December 22, 2023, 08:43:45 AM
If they are concerned about player safety, seems like having guys play out of position, and whole positions emptied out of the depth chart, seems unsafe.  Why would any QB play behind whatever OL haven't entered the portal or opted out?
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 22, 2023, 08:46:51 AM
Did anyone play for Cuse last night?

45-0 win by USF??? 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: ELA on December 22, 2023, 09:17:52 AM
You should be allowed to bring back alums.  I'd rather watch a 45 year old Donovan McNabb than whatever Cuse rolled out there last night
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MrNubbz on December 22, 2023, 09:18:59 AM

Ok,Kyle McCord is going to change all of that
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MrNubbz on December 22, 2023, 09:26:19 AM
Did anyone play for Cuse last night?

45-0 win by USF???
Just picked this off of a Buckeye game thread

USF coach Alex Golesh was at OSU as a student assistant coach in 2004-05.


He has done a great job at USF this year taking over the Bulls who were 1-11 last year and the program was in shambles.


To get this bowl win and finish 7-6 is one of the best coaching jobs done by any coach this year.

According to Wiki:Born in Moscow, Golesh moved to the United States as a child, growing up in Brooklyn,New York and Dublin,Ohio


Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 22, 2023, 09:32:40 AM
so, if Day doesn't beat Michigan nest season, Alex is your guy!
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 22, 2023, 09:57:21 AM
If they are concerned about player safety, seems like having guys play out of position, and whole positions emptied out of the depth chart, seems unsafe.  Why would any QB play behind whatever OL haven't entered the portal or opted out?
The Minnesota 3rd-stringer got 30K reasons. 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 22, 2023, 10:15:50 AM
Psh.  In that bowl game we got our teeth kicked in a couple years ago vs. K-State where we had 39 scholly players left on the team for the bowl, we had a WR play QB for zero NIL $ and zero benefit other than pride and playing with his team one more time. 

Probably the last great Tiger, imo.  Asked about having to play QB and only having 39 players, he gave probably my favorite quote ever:  "Hey, this is LSU.  If we have 22, we're gonna get out there and fight like Tigers.  We don't back down, no matter what it looks like."  This, after many had opted out or portaled out on their teammates. 

But yeah...safety seems like a concern not only with having guys switch positions, but also having only 39 players on a team.  That's......not good.  He did manage to throw a couple TDs though, on the way to having our doors blown off.  
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Benthere2 on December 22, 2023, 10:16:56 AM
Gophers had to pay their 3rd string QB $30K from NIL to stay and play in the bowl game. QB's 1 and 2 are in the portal.

This is where we are.
you do know that is fake news
first he was our 2nd string QB who is hanging up his cleats after the year, and he did not take 30K to stay.  he was out the door until AK left and was asked if he wanted one last game where he would be the main guy. and he said yes.  had to put planning his wedding off a few weeks but his Bride did not object.  I hear there was a low 4 digit offer to help pay for the wedding that was accepted

Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MrNubbz on December 22, 2023, 10:27:20 AM
so, if Day doesn't beat Michigan nest season, Alex is your guy!

(https://c.tenor.com/SkA9x0uDcJkAAAAM/al-bundy-thumbs-up.gif)
Pointing out ALEX career trajectory is off to a good start.Day won't be going anywhere unless that transpires
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 23, 2023, 11:47:38 AM
It starts today.

7:30 PM EST we have Northwestern facing Utah. 

Utah has lost 14 transfers. NU has lost 4.

I have no read on this game at all, but it will be fun to watch some Big Ten football tonight.

Go Cats!
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 23, 2023, 12:31:19 PM
Today's full Saturday Bowl slate is somehow worse than last Saturday's. Save for Utah-NW in the Vegas, the rest are body bag matchups:

Birmingham Bowl - Troy vs. Duke (on now)
Camellia Bowl - Arkansas St vs. Northern Illinois (on now)
Armed Forces Bowl - James Madison vs. Air Force
Idaho Potato Bowl - Georgia St vs. Utah St
Ventures Bowl - South Alabama vs. Eastern Michigan
Las Vegas Bowl - Utah vs. Northwestern
Hawaii Bowl - Coastal Carolina vs. San Jose St

Looking forward to Utah-NW. Willingham usually has his teams ready for bowls, but about a dozen players have transferred out. New Raiders stadium is gorgeous.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 23, 2023, 12:37:31 PM
Whittingham.

JMU-USAFA would be cool, except JMU's QB portaled.
Same with Coastal Chicken Myrtle Beach Carolina's QB.

This is all so broken.
Zero leadership.
This is what happens when you take a probably fair and good idea and just shove it in, with no outline, formatting, or plan.  Just pushing play and seeing how many car wrecks there are before the opening credits are over.

If they can just conjure up a playoff committee, independent of the NCAA, "they" can come up with a leadership group with a plan and a path towards sanity.

They.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Kris60 on December 23, 2023, 04:59:28 PM
 Caught the end of NIU-Ark St.  ASU was down 2 and needed an onside kick to try to win it. They actually got but was called offsides on the KO.

Butch Jones lost his ever-loving mind. He can go ballistic on officials with the best of them.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 23, 2023, 05:28:06 PM
He turns interesting colors.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Kris60 on December 23, 2023, 05:43:47 PM
He turns interesting colors.
He turned a deep red bordering on purple.  I was shocked they didn’t flag him.  In his defense, it was a huge call and pretty ticky tack.  They showed the replay several times and if anyone was offsides it wasn’t readily apparent.

He just went nuts.  Lol.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 23, 2023, 06:19:53 PM
Butch is obviously nutz
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: bayareabadger on December 23, 2023, 08:49:14 PM
Was interesting to watch AF-JMU. Seemed like a lot of JMU guy were playing despite being in the portal. Air Force did Air Force things. Future troops playing hard.

Also, NW got points on Utah, so that might be over. The Utes have been so low on bodies all year on offense. I want to like the backup QB, but he just ain't great. Good for him staying for the bowl. He's leaving for a logical reason, but still giving his team something. 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: bayareabadger on December 23, 2023, 08:53:51 PM

Whittingham.

JMU-USAFA would be cool, except JMU's QB portaled.
Same with Coastal Chicken Myrtle Beach Carolina's QB.
That JMU kid played. The Coastal kid did not, but he also got concussed all to hell and missed the last five games, so unclear if he would've played anyway (that whole thing was a mess). 

Good for the JMU kid. 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Hawkinole on December 23, 2023, 09:31:34 PM
Northwestern's defense is kicking a$$ big time.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 23, 2023, 09:43:26 PM
Yes but only up 7
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MaximumSam on December 23, 2023, 09:48:15 PM
You guys hate on Gus Johnson but he is us

https://twitter.com/KienanDixon16/status/1738741622618398959
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: ohio1317 on December 24, 2023, 12:15:59 AM
Nice start
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 24, 2023, 09:55:27 AM
Gophers had to pay their 3rd string QB $30K from NIL to stay and play in the bowl game. QB's 1 and 2 are in the portal.

you do know that is fake news
first he was our 2nd string QB who is hanging up his cleats after the year, and he did not take 30K to stay.  he was out the door until AK left and was asked if he wanted one last game where he would be the main guy. and he said yes.  had to put planning his wedding off a few weeks but his Bride did not object.  I hear there was a low 4 digit offer to help pay for the wedding that was accepted

Went fishing for more info on this and there isn’t much save for message board sleuthing by a Nebraska/Big Ten beat writer:

"The rumor started on the Golden Gophers’ 247Sports message board when user ‘EdenPrairieGopher’ made a post:

“Just heard from an A+ source that Cole Kramer was given $30,000.00 to play in the bowl game from our NIL Fund. He was set to leave but thought this would be a great way to pay for his February wedding.”

While this anonymous poster has no credibility or way to have his claim verified, it was partially backed up by lead Minnesota football recruiting analyst and beat writer for 247Sports, Ryan Burns. Burns is not only one of the most reliable guys when it comes to Gopher related news, but he is a co-founder and co-operator of Dinkytown Athletes, which is Minnesota’s NIL collective.

Burns backs up the idea that Kramer was given money, but he doesn’t confirm the entire post. This was Burns’ response:

“They did allocate some funds to Kramer, that’s true. I’d say that my numbers are different from yours on what Cole got, but I could care less about that. That’s not important.”


https://twitter.com/KusleikaAndrew/status/1736020769409307069

Yes Fleck’s season ended poorly and a bowl win would really add a good note to 2023, but imagine a BENCH QB holding your program hostage to pay for their wedding?!?!

As for the wedding, here’s a recent article GUSHING over Cole Kramer (https://www.twincities.com/2023/12/22/gophers-qb-cole-kramers-pre-wedding-plan-takes-backseat-to-first-career-start/):

1. His “first collegiate start” - without mention of NIL ultimatum

2.  His “deep maroon-and-gold roots” – an NIL chargeable loyalty

3. “Gophers coaches had been supportive of Kramer’s decision to retire. But given the circumstances, they soon contacted him about running it back for one more month.” – without mention of the NIL bargaining chip used to convince Kramer back.

4.  His “wedding plans” – without mention of the NIL funding his wedding.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 24, 2023, 10:07:06 AM
Was interesting to watch AF-JMU. Seemed like a lot of JMU guy were playing despite being in the portal. 
I was astounded by this.  
If I was a HC and had players in the portal, they sure as shit aren't using the bowl as a resume builder.  I'd say good luck, but you're not putting on our uniform for this game, even if you do choose to stay.  
You have to earn playing with our colors on your back and since you're not t00% committed, you can watch from the sidelines or not at all.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 24, 2023, 10:09:02 AM
big talker

might think differently if you'd spent a few years with those young men
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 24, 2023, 10:11:34 AM
big talker

might think differently if you'd spent a few years with those young men
I'm not saying I'd be frothing at the mouth, but it would be a policy in place.  They'd know before they chose to enter the portal.

But if you're not 100% invested, I don't see how I can let you play.  
The idea seems absurd to me.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 24, 2023, 10:14:52 AM
I don't like the idea of players opting out or jumpin in the portal early either

but, as a coach, you should be supportive of the best interests of the young men in the program

it's a different world
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 24, 2023, 10:27:51 AM
It's a double-edged sword. You've got a bunch of 18-22 year old kids. Some of whom probably have grown up in less than ideal circumstances, and ALL of whom have had smoke blown up their ass their entire HS lives as coaches have fawned all over them telling them they're amazing and they have started to belleve that their their shit don't stink. 

Most of them might benefit from 4 years with a stern hard-ass coach who is going to DEMAND their best--while offering loving support of their efforts to produce it--to actually mold them into the young men they're capable of becoming. Sounds like that's the idea OAM is offering. It's a laudable idea, and frankly what many of our favorite coaches from this sport made their name doing.

Problem is that those coaches are going to increasingly have trouble in this sport. If you can declare for the transfer portal every time some coach is hard on you and hurts your feelings--even if you deserve it; even if it's what you NEED at that time to grow--those coaches are going to have trouble recruiting and keeping a roster intact. 

So it's lose-lose at this point. Be nice and you're a pushover; be tough and you've got no roster. 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: bayareabadger on December 24, 2023, 10:44:32 AM
I was astounded by this. 
If I was a HC and had players in the portal, they sure as shit aren't using the bowl as a resume builder.  I'd say good luck, but you're not putting on our uniform for this game, even if you do choose to stay. 
You have to earn playing with our colors on your back and since you're not t00% committed, you can watch from the sidelines or not at all.
Well, his coach jumped in the portal. And I assume most of the current staff won't be retained, so that part doesn't matter.

It's a weird split. Folks are mad the kids don't play. Folks are mad a kid wants to play. Seems like the point is bein' mad at anything, I suppose. 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 26, 2023, 02:45:13 PM
Minnie down 7-6 early to Bowling Green.

Any idea why they went for 2, instead of the tie?
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 26, 2023, 03:10:05 PM
MN up 9-7 now.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 26, 2023, 03:34:10 PM
Any idea why they went for 2, instead of the tie?

Because...?

https://twitter.com/NathanJH31/status/1739734944937578642

Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: GopherRock on December 26, 2023, 03:58:23 PM
Some thoughts:

No idea why PJ went for two, to say nothing of why he did so out of the swinging gates formation. 

$15 out the door for my wife and I to go. Cost more to drive down here than to get in. 

This game is even less interesting in person than what the score may suggest. 

The concessions here at Ford Field are surprisingly good.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Kris60 on December 26, 2023, 04:34:34 PM
The gf of the Minnesota QB is getting major camera time.  And I ain’t complaining.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 26, 2023, 06:02:19 PM
Some thoughts:

The concessions here at Ford Field are surprisingly good.
You're always hungry 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 26, 2023, 11:11:09 PM
Don't remember so many penalties during past bowl seasons. 

Jayhawks may have set a halftime record 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Hawkinole on December 26, 2023, 11:47:05 PM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 22, 2023, 07:49:01 AM (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/bowl-season-2023/msg574808/#msg574808)
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Gophers had to pay their 3rd string QB $30K from NIL to stay and play in the bowl game. QB's 1 and 2 are in the portal.


Quote from: Benthere2 on December 22, 2023, 10:16:56 AM (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/bowl-season-2023/msg574846/#msg574846)
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you do know that is fake news
first he was our 2nd string QB who is hanging up his cleats after the year, and he did not take 30K to stay.  he was out the door until AK left and was asked if he wanted one last game where he would be the main guy. and he said yes.  had to put planning his wedding off a few weeks but his Bride did not object.  I hear there was a low 4 digit offer to help pay for the wedding that was accepted


Went fishing for more info on this and there isn’t much save for message board sleuthing by a Nebraska/Big Ten beat writer:

"The rumor started on the Golden Gophers’ 247Sports message board when user ‘EdenPrairieGopher’ made a post:

“Just heard from an A+ source that Cole Kramer was given $30,000.00 to play in the bowl game from our NIL Fund. He was set to leave but thought this would be a great way to pay for his February wedding.”

While this anonymous poster has no credibility or way to have his claim verified, it was partially backed up by lead Minnesota football recruiting analyst and beat writer for 247Sports, Ryan Burns. Burns is not only one of the most reliable guys when it comes to Gopher related news, but he is a co-founder and co-operator of Dinkytown Athletes, which is Minnesota’s NIL collective.

Burns backs up the idea that Kramer was given money, but he doesn’t confirm the entire post. This was Burns’ response:

“They did allocate some funds to Kramer, that’s true. I’d say that my numbers are different from yours on what Cole got, but I could care less about that. That’s not important.”



https://twitter.com/KusleikaAndrew/status/1736020769409307069 (https://twitter.com/KusleikaAndrew/status/1736020769409307069)

Yes Fleck’s season ended poorly and a bowl win would really add a good note to 2023, but imagine a BENCH QB holding your program hostage to pay for their wedding?!?!

As for the wedding, here’s a recent article GUSHING over Cole Kramer (https://www.twincities.com/2023/12/22/gophers-qb-cole-kramers-pre-wedding-plan-takes-backseat-to-first-career-start/):




1. His “first collegiate start” - without mention of NIL ultimatum

2.  His “deep maroon-and-gold roots” – an NIL chargeable loyalty

3. “Gophers coaches had been supportive of Kramer’s decision to retire. But given the circumstances, they soon contacted him about running it back for one more month.” – without mention of the NIL bargaining chip used to convince Kramer back.

4.  His “wedding plans” – without mention of the NIL funding his wedding.

-----------------------
My comments: Minnesota 30 - Bowling Green 24

Cole Kramer: 8-16, 26 yards, 2 TDs, 1 Int., 31 yards rushing on 3 attempts. 


He threw for 1.625 yards per pass. But can you imagine, a guy achieved his lifelong dream, growing up a Gopher fan, starting QB for a game, and helping win it.

Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2023, 07:41:17 AM
The gf of the Minnesota QB is getting major camera time.  And I ain’t complaining.
I saw this too. If the 3rd string water boy gets THAT, what does the starting QB get?

Good win for the kid and his team for sure.

And PJ Barnum is gonna kill Darious Taylor. Jeesh.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2023, 08:28:01 AM
Seriously...

(https://i.imgur.com/Dru2f0w.png)
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2023, 08:55:19 AM
also saw a stat that stated the Goophers had won 7 straight bowl games
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2023, 08:57:31 AM
They didn't play in a bowl in 2020. They have won their last 7, but not 7 straight.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2023, 08:58:34 AM
yup
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: bayareabadger on December 27, 2023, 08:59:30 AM
The real upset is Scot Loeffler getting to a sixth season as head coach of Bowling Green. That is amazing.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: GopherRock on December 27, 2023, 09:05:26 AM
More thoughts on the game yesterday:

Pj's M.O. is take the #1 running back and run him into the ground. I thought this may have been an accident early in his tenure, but it's now clearly his thing. 

Also, his preferred QBs are one that stare at WR1 and get WR1 decapitated.

Cole Kramer tossed two TD passes despite, as the BG coach said in his post-game presser, being unable to throw the ball from me to you. Maybe had some of Athan's passes arrived as lobs instead of heaters, they would have been TDs.

I'm glad the Gophers won. I have no idea how his brand of ball is going to translate into the new landscape of college football. 

Downtown Detroit is highly underrated nowadays. 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2023, 09:50:54 AM
Thanks for the summary.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2023, 10:26:57 AM
Minnesota emerged victorious in the Quick Lane Bowl against Bowling Green. The win was expected to earn head coach P.J. Fleck a bonus check. However, an interesting twist prevented him from receiving it.

According to reports, Bowling Green coach Scot Loeffler will receive on-field bonuses totaling $32,500 for the season. This is due to Minnesota’s win over Bowling Green in the Quick Lane Bowl. In contrast, P.J. Fleck will not receive a bowl-participation bonus as per his contract, because the Golden Gophers had a regular season record of 5-7.

Despite their victorious bowl game, Minnesota finished the 2023 season with an overall record of 6-7, placing fourth in the Big Ten. Their last four regular season games resulted in losses before defeating Bowling Green on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: bayareabadger on December 27, 2023, 11:44:53 AM


Downtown Detroit is highly underrated nowadays.
For sure. 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 27, 2023, 11:45:33 AM
Commuting home last night, caught sight of the Holiday Bowl floats for today's downtown parade:

(https://i.imgur.com/e8V6Cae.jpg)

My goal for the Holiday Bowl was to attend as one of the "Big Flag holders" for the pregame anthem, but they never reached out after signing up:

(https://i.imgur.com/9VbaiC6.png)
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MarqHusker on December 27, 2023, 04:59:20 PM
Don't remember so many penalties during past bowl seasons.

Jayhawks may have set a halftime record
A very 90s Canes-like performance,  45+ points, 200 yards in penalties.  Obviously makes one think of this.

https://youtu.be/9zeL5yyjqWQ?si=cShG9ch3YC4i2wWP
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Kris60 on December 27, 2023, 05:12:16 PM
The rainfall in this VT-Tulane game is biblical.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: ELA on December 27, 2023, 05:13:08 PM
The Military Bowl had strong Independence Bowl vibes this year.  I think if the weather was ever pleasant for the Independence Bowl, they would turn on the sprinklers and have a couple of helicopters hover over the stadium
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 27, 2023, 07:27:18 PM
The rainfall in this VT-Tulane game is biblical.
I thought VA Tech was Miami there for a few minutes, with their white helmets and orange pants.

(https://d1cv0f55ge5i54.cloudfront.net/images/2023/12/27/FirstHalf_Tulane_16x9.png?preset=large.socialmediaimage)
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: bayareabadger on December 27, 2023, 09:56:16 PM
The rainfall in this VT-Tulane game is biblical.
Tech put up rushing yards that look like Tulane on a good day.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: bayareabadger on December 27, 2023, 09:56:56 PM
Not gonna lie, USC trying hard in this bowl was not what I expected. 

Also, Louisville, WYD?
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2023, 10:02:56 PM
It's early 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 27, 2023, 11:01:21 PM
Inexperienced FSU QB vs UL:
8-21 (38%) for 55 yds 0 TD
.
Inexperienced USC QB vs UL:
23-33 (67%) for 372 yds 6 TD
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Kris60 on December 28, 2023, 12:15:57 AM
Inexperienced FSU QB vs UL:
8-21 (38%) for 55 yds 0 TD
.
Inexperienced USC QB vs UL:
23-33 (67%) for 372 yds 6 TD
Good thing that guy wasn’t gonna start if FSU made the playoff.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2023, 01:36:22 AM
Good thing that guy wasn’t gonna start if FSU made the playoff.
FSU backup QB savior vs PUTRIED Florida defense:
12-25 (48%) for 134 yds, 0 TD
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: bayareabadger on December 28, 2023, 08:11:14 AM
Inexperienced FSU QB vs UL:
8-21 (38%) for 55 yds 0 TD
.
Inexperienced USC QB vs UL:
23-33 (67%) for 372 yds 6 TD
Letdown spot for Louisville. Someone told me for years those don’t count.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2023, 08:22:55 AM
Doesn't count or simply exists?
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2023, 08:46:16 AM
all credit to ol muleshoe

hypesman whisperer
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2023, 09:19:43 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/e3bcvZp.jpg)
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Kris60 on December 28, 2023, 09:24:48 AM
FSU backup QB savior vs PUTRIED Florida defense:
12-25 (48%) for 134 yds, 0 TD

With a month to prepare maybe he plays better, who knows?  
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2023, 09:30:03 AM
we shall soon find out

wait, we won't cause the 2nd string QB will be back for the bowl vs Georgia
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 28, 2023, 09:44:38 AM
We have a freshman OT who didn't travel with the team and won't play the bowl, apparently due to NIL negotiations and wanting to play LT.  He played in 12 games this year and started one, both at RT and RG.  He is an excellent tackle, particularly for a freshman, but so is the guy starting at LT.  

He's not in the portal, yet, and he's two years too young to enter the draft, but yet he's sitting out the bowl. 

Is this where the sport is now?  

All this, despite the fact there's at least a 50% chance that next year the natural competition between the O-linemen will place him at LT, the current LT will probably play RT, and the current RT will probably slide in to RG.  
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2023, 09:59:14 AM
We have a freshman OT who didn't travel with the team and won't play the bowl, apparently due to NIL negotiations and wanting to play LT.  He played in 12 games this year and started one, both at RT and RG.  He is an excellent tackle, particularly for a freshman, but so is the guy starting at LT. 

He's not in the portal, yet, and he's two years too young to enter the draft, but yet he's sitting out the bowl. 

Is this where the sport is now? 

All this, despite the fact there's at least a 50% chance that next year the natural competition between the O-linemen will place him at LT, the current LT will probably play RT, and the current RT will probably slide in to RG. 
maybe, maybe not
maybe it's just one selfish kid
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: longhorn320 on December 28, 2023, 12:39:10 PM
We have a freshman OT who didn't travel with the team and won't play the bowl, apparently due to NIL negotiations and wanting to play LT.  He played in 12 games this year and started one, both at RT and RG.  He is an excellent tackle, particularly for a freshman, but so is the guy starting at LT. 

He's not in the portal, yet, and he's two years too young to enter the draft, but yet he's sitting out the bowl. 

Is this where the sport is now? 

All this, despite the fact there's at least a 50% chance that next year the natural competition between the O-linemen will place him at LT, the current LT will probably play RT, and the current RT will probably slide in to RG. 
He'd be gone if I were HC
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2023, 01:10:35 PM
Hmmm. 

Will players opt out of expanded College Football Playoff? NFL hopes, injury prevention create tough decisions - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/will-players-opt-out-of-expanded-college-football-playoff-nfl-hopes-injury-prevention-create-tough-decisions/)
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 28, 2023, 01:55:11 PM
maybe, maybe not
maybe it's just one selfish kid

Yes, maybe one selfish kid, but the point @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) is making is that in this new NIL/Portal/TikTok era of College Football this one selfish freshman is now afforded a more impactful array of selfish options in which to broadcast his ego and cause the LSU program frustrating roster uncertainty going into their bowl.

On another subject, Mack Brown appeared HAGGARD in his little Bowl game last night, the flask of Wild Turkey he keeps in his jacket lining getting the best of him while West Virginia shelled UNC as the 2nd half went along.

With Mack back in Chapel Hill for 5 seasons now, UNC is 38-27 despite not-so-hard schedules, recruiting classes ranked among the top of the ACC, and the luxury of TWO future NFL QBs starting season by season.

(https://i.imgur.com/wagRamj.png)

Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MrNubbz on December 28, 2023, 02:23:22 PM
That's what he gets for putting a hoops symbol on his shirt while coaching on the grid iron.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2023, 02:32:30 PM
That's what he gets for putting a hoops symbol on his shirt while coaching on the grid iron.
he's not the only one
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2023, 02:34:24 PM
On another subject, Mack Brown appeared HAGGARD in his little Bowl game last night, the flask of Wild Turkey he keeps in his jacket lining getting the best of him while West Virginia shelled UNC as the 2nd half went along.

With Mack back in Chapel Hill for 5 seasons now, UNC is 38-27 despite not-so-hard schedules, recruiting classes ranked among the top of the ACC, and the luxury of TWO future NFL QBs starting season by season.
on the first point - Scott Frost would drink the old man under the table
on the 2nd point - Scott Frost would love to have that 5 year record
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Kris60 on December 28, 2023, 03:07:51 PM
Hmmm.

Will players opt out of expanded College Football Playoff? NFL hopes, injury prevention create tough decisions - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/will-players-opt-out-of-expanded-college-football-playoff-nfl-hopes-injury-prevention-create-tough-decisions/)
I hear a lot about how NFL GM’s ask players if they love football or love the prospect of getting paid great money to play football.  A player sitting out a playoff game is a sure sign to me they want to get paid more than they want to play.

A player sitting out a playoff game tells me all I need to know about where his head is with football.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Kris60 on December 28, 2023, 03:14:13 PM
As someone who watched a lot of Big East football I don’t think I ever thought I’d see the day Rutgers would be favored over Miami.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2023, 04:19:55 PM
As someone who watched a lot of Big East football I don’t think I ever thought I’d see the day Rutgers would be favored over Miami.
Half of Miami's defense is sitting out.  Their QB is in the portal (I assume not playing, but that's not automatic anymore).
Rutgers is favored over Miami adjacent.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2023, 04:47:45 PM
Seems like Miami was playing the wrong 2 QBs the whole time
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2023, 04:48:56 PM
obviously, a 6 win Big Ten East team is better than any 7 win ACC team
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2023, 09:57:49 PM
https://twitter.com/SickosCommittee/status/1740504872762716230?t=jNdg990-_dqlKqgOWugGrg&s=19

https://twitter.com/PJGreenTV/status/1740558756042473645?t=UuIV49bpcd0wvZajGk_CTg&s=19
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2023, 10:12:09 PM
A - someone needs a new toaster
B - can we put someone from the hotties thread inside the edible pop-tart mascot?  win-win
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2023, 10:20:06 PM
obviously, a 6 win Big Ten East team is better than any 7 win ACC team
Fearless,  you know your college football 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: bayareabadger on December 28, 2023, 11:34:36 PM
I hear a lot about how NFL GM’s ask players if they love football or love the prospect of getting paid great money to play football.  A player sitting out a playoff game is a sure sign to me they want to get paid more than they want to play.

A player sitting out a playoff game tells me all I need to know about where his head is with football.
They might ask it, but they do not care that much. 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Kris60 on December 29, 2023, 12:19:26 AM
They might ask it, but they do not care that much.
Oh, I totally disagree.  I think they care a great deal but it’s really hard to know which guys love the game and which guys see it as a chance to make great money.  Unfortunately, my guess is in most cases you don’t really know the answer to that until they are in the building under contract.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MrNubbz on December 29, 2023, 12:24:37 AM
As someone who watched a lot of Big East football I don’t think I ever thought I’d see the day Rutgers would be favored over Miami.
Strange Daze indeed
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Kris60 on December 29, 2023, 12:27:57 AM
Zona-OU has been fun.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2023, 12:41:31 AM
Strange Daze indeed
Miami sucks 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MrNubbz on December 29, 2023, 12:50:25 AM
S-S-S-Sucks?
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Kris60 on December 29, 2023, 12:52:31 AM
OU was up 24-13 and inside Arizona’s 20 with just a few seconds left in the 3rd quarter.  Next two plays they ran from scrimmage were turnovers and went on to lose 38-24.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MrNubbz on December 29, 2023, 02:00:36 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1740575452731961764
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2023, 07:31:41 AM
With the Rutgers win over Miami, the B1G is 3-0.

Who is playing QB for the Buckeyes tonight?
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 29, 2023, 07:37:36 AM
10 Win Season!

https://twitter.com/valeroalamobowl/status/1740613600459592101
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MrNubbz on December 29, 2023, 08:15:52 AM
With the Rutgers win over Miami, the B1G is 3-0.

Who is playing QB for the Buckeyes tonight?
I believe Devin Brown,whom many preferred to Kyle as he was mobile.He made some great throws in mop up duty which raised some eyes.McCord won the Derby as it was neck & neck before fall camp broke but Kyle was a yr older.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: ELA on December 29, 2023, 09:17:48 AM
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1740611060628099564?s=20
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 29, 2023, 01:12:55 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1740575452731961764
Priceless!
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Kris60 on December 29, 2023, 03:21:44 PM
The 4th quarter of Kentucky-Clemson has been terrific 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2023, 03:44:25 PM
The 4th quarter of Kentucky-Clemson has been terrific
XII-ing.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Kris60 on December 29, 2023, 03:57:01 PM
XII-ing.
Maybe. Whatever you call it, it was entertaining.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 29, 2023, 05:02:06 PM
Feel bad for OrSU. They are playing what is almost certainly their last ever game as a "Big Boy" football program and getting shellacked by the bluest of blue bloods. 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2023, 05:13:14 PM
Sucks to suck

Wish they would have kept Mike Riley 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2023, 05:34:58 PM
Iowa state cyclones...
I'd be listening to the blues in a bar on Beale street drinking
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MarqHusker on December 29, 2023, 06:01:55 PM
and Oregon State may be the most decimated team outside of FSU going into the bowl game, and that's saying a lot.   Utah fielded a team I've never seen before.

bowl viewing is quite strange.    
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Kris60 on December 29, 2023, 06:08:04 PM
Whoever is doing the color for Iowa St is giving me low key Matt Foley vibes.

He said something a minute ago that made me stop what I was doing and listen more intently.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2023, 06:22:45 PM
Oregon state has that many NFL draft players opting out?
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MrNubbz on December 29, 2023, 06:27:58 PM
OU was up 24-13 and inside Arizona’s 20 with just a few seconds left in the 3rd quarter.  Next two plays they ran from scrimmage were turnovers and went on to lose 38-24.
BIG VII be like don’t let the door hit you on the way out 🖐
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2023, 07:56:55 PM
and Oregon State may be the most decimated team outside of FSU going into the bowl game, and that's saying a lot.  Utah fielded a team I've never seen before.

bowl viewing is quite strange.   
Now they see what Florida was like in their bowl last year.
Not fun.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2023, 07:57:07 PM
Harrison not playing.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Kris60 on December 29, 2023, 08:16:15 PM
I’m a fan of both teams wearing home uniforms.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 29, 2023, 09:47:15 PM
bowl games are the new spring games. 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MrNubbz on December 29, 2023, 09:49:38 PM
Poster on 11W

"So...  Did anyone have 76 total yards on their bingo card for half time?"
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2023, 09:54:40 PM
Of all the crap bowl games I've watched.... this is by far the worst. 

And the teams have a combined 21 wins
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: ELA on December 29, 2023, 11:39:29 PM
bowl games are the new spring games.
Spring games are an interesting look at next year.  Bowl games are the guys buried far enough down the depth chart who don't have a shot at a better NIL deal leaving.

The portal shouldn't open til after the bowls
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2023, 11:45:12 PM
And early signing day after the bowls
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 30, 2023, 02:12:08 AM
And early signing day after the bowls
(https://i.imgur.com/NkpV7h2.jpg)
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2023, 06:57:39 AM
https://youtu.be/W9A8J5EB64w?si=fqduHCZa8v-YJbHO
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: bayareabadger on December 30, 2023, 03:06:34 PM
Spring games are an interesting look at next year.  Bowl games are the guys buried far enough down the depth chart who don't have a shot at a better NIL deal leaving.

The portal shouldn't open til after the bowls
To echo what Fearless said, no signing day until after bowls, no portal until after bowls, more recruiting dead period from the end of the season until bowls. 

I want newly hired coaches to be antsy because of how little they can do until bowls end. 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 30, 2023, 03:31:19 PM
Penn State aka Peter Principle State U - from Wiki:

"The Peter Principle states that a person who is competent at their job will earn a promotion to a position that requires different skills. If the promoted person lacks the skills required for the new role, they will be incompetent at the new level, and will not be promoted again. If the person is competent in the new role, they will be promoted again and will continue to be promoted until reaching a level at which they are incompetent. Being incompetent, the individual will not qualify for promotion again, and so will remain stuck at this final placement or Peter's plateau."

James Franklin wins 10 games without stretching himself too much by feeding off of Maryland, Rutgers, Illinois, etc. But James Franklin is incompetent at the level of hoping to beat Ohio State, Michigan, and anyone else in the Top 15.

Lane Kiffin and Ole Miss are working P(P)SU in the Peach Bowl right now - 38-17 in the 4th.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2023, 03:31:31 PM
Yup, signing day and portal movement is related.   Roster management. 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 30, 2023, 05:28:17 PM
To echo what Fearless said, no signing day until after bowls, no portal until after bowls, more recruiting dead period from the end of the season until bowls.

I want newly hired coaches to be antsy because of how little they can do until bowls end.
But won't somebody think of the poor children student-athletes?
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2023, 05:31:53 PM
Maybe they should concentrate on being students 

Get an academic scholarship 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 30, 2023, 05:33:12 PM
Penn State aka Peter Principle State U - from Wiki:

"The Peter Principle states that a person who is competent at their job will earn a promotion to a position that requires different skills. If the promoted person lacks the skills required for the new role, they will be incompetent at the new level, and will not be promoted again. If the person is competent in the new role, they will be promoted again and will continue to be promoted until reaching a level at which they are incompetent. Being incompetent, the individual will not qualify for promotion again, and so will remain stuck at this final placement or Peter's plateau."

James Franklin wins 10 games without stretching himself too much by feeding off of Maryland, Rutgers, Illinois, etc. But James Franklin is incompetent at the level of hoping to beat Ohio State, Michigan, and anyone else in the Top 15.

Lane Kiffin and Ole Miss are working P(P)SU in the Peach Bowl right now - 38-17 in the 4th.
So almost everyone winds up in a job they're incompetent at?  

That explains a lot.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2023, 05:56:36 PM
I've been a believer in the Peter principle for decades
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2023, 05:57:20 PM
But I'm 61 years old and still moving up
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: bayareabadger on December 30, 2023, 06:23:32 PM
But won't somebody think of the poor children student-athletes?
They were primarily in my thoughts here. 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MrNubbz on December 30, 2023, 06:41:58 PM
I've been a believer in the Peter principle for decades
Kind of the master plan isn't it? you're going to get older you don't have to grow up
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2023, 07:01:46 PM
Wait, what???
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 30, 2023, 07:10:54 PM
I've been a believer in the Peter principle for decades
Sort of ignores driven-ness and comfort, no?

Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: ELA on December 30, 2023, 07:29:55 PM
So almost everyone winds up in a job they're incompetent at? 

That explains a lot.
I think that's changed a lot over the past decade, and employees and employers have adjusted accordingly, for better or worse.  It's why a lot of companies seek laterals from lower paying firms, and I actually declined a promotion, where I knew I was set up to fail.  I do a great job managing a large client, but the pay raise meant bringing in a huge book, that I was never going to do
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2023, 08:06:48 PM
Sort of ignores driven-ness and comfort, no?


Plays right into drivenness.
Keep driving until you are out of your element 

If you seek comfort.   Just stay where you're comfortable and successful 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2023, 08:08:45 PM
Incompetence of the barstool crew in Tucson was better than the effort of FSWHOO 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: Hawkinole on December 30, 2023, 11:16:37 PM
FSU lost player after player opting out. Bowl games, which were once important, have turned into mere exhibition games.
As for the Hawkeyes, there are transfer portal players opting out, but as for transfer portal players who were starters, there is only one. A former starter Diante Vines WR, and current starter Anterio Thompson who started on special teams and blocked two punts.
Of the two, Anterior Thompson is the bigger loss. 
Tennessee has lost at least 4 key players who are opting out; including their starting QB, and two RBs.
There has to be a way to stop this until after the season actually ends.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2023, 11:35:43 PM
Bowl games in the 60s were exhibition games. 

Polls were done before the bowls

Players still played.

Bowl games today??? Why bother???

Meaningless 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: bayareabadger on December 31, 2023, 07:51:49 AM
Incompetence of the barstool crew in Tucson was better than the effort of FSWHOO
People love that sh$& (I do not)
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 31, 2023, 07:54:25 AM
I think that's changed a lot over the past decade, and employees and employers have adjusted accordingly, for better or worse.  It's why a lot of companies seek laterals from lower paying firms, and I actually declined a promotion, where I knew I was set up to fail.  I do a great job managing a large client, but the pay raise meant bringing in a huge book, that I was never going to do
You mean being a rainmaker?

I used to be that guy and I never liked it. But I had to do it. Good you have a choice.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 31, 2023, 08:57:17 AM
People love that sh$& (I do not)
I don't love it, but it's better than 60-3
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 31, 2023, 10:46:37 AM
Incompetence of the barstool crew in Tucson was better than the effort of FSWHOO

🤣

“You IDIOT!”

“He better not celebrate!”

“What a MORON!”


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Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 31, 2023, 11:44:12 AM
Looks like LSU will have everybody who didn't portal out except Daniels and the prima donna backup O-lineman.  Well....and the OC, who went to Notre Dame.  Still not sure what that means for the offense, since Daniels was the offense.  Also meaningless for the defense, since they were complete trash and it doesn't matter if they're all playing. 

Next question is how long will some of these guys play?  Nabers is playing because he wants to break Josh Reed's LSU career record.  He needs 22 yards to do it.  Will he sit after a catch or two?  I can't even fathom why BTJr. is playing.  Good for him, though, I guess. 

No idea who is available or not for Wisconsin.  Also wouldn't mean anything to me since I barely watched them this year.  Winning is always better than losing, but all I really hope for from this game is some reassurance that Nussmeier maybe won't suck next year. 

On a side note:  how hot can a $100 mil contract coach's seat get with a killer buyout the school can't afford in year 3?  We're about to find out if the defense isn't Top 20 next year.  I can't imagine what's going to go on in the Ops building when LSU lost the award-winning OC (probably unnecessarily), retained the worst DC for a single season ever, and then goes on to suck on defense again.  
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 31, 2023, 11:48:15 AM
Looks like LSU will have everybody who didn't portal out except Daniels and the prima donna backup O-lineman.  Well....and the OC, who went to Notre Dame.  Still not sure what that means for the offense, since Daniels was the offense.  Also meaningless for the defense, since they were complete trash and it doesn't matter if they're all playing. 

Next question is how long will some of these guys play?  Nabers is playing because he wants to break Josh Reed's LSU career record.  He needs 22 yards to do it.  Will he sit after a catch or two?  I can't even fathom why BTJr. is playing.  Good for him, though, I guess. 

No idea who is available or not for Wisconsin.  Also wouldn't mean anything to me since I barely watched them this year.  Winning is always better than losing, but all I really hope for from this game is some reassurance that Nussmeier maybe won't suck next year. 

On a side note:  how hot can a $100 mil contract coach's seat get with a killer buyout the school can't afford in year 3?  We're about to find out if the defense isn't Top 20 next year.  I can't imagine what's going to go on in the Ops building when LSU lost the award-winning OC (probably unnecessarily), retained the worst DC for a single season ever, and then goes on to suck on defense again. 
9 players from the two-deep are gone, including the starting center and starting RB (both NFL). Starting WR, starting DL and starting OLB.

Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 31, 2023, 02:27:47 PM
Wisconsin losing defensive players may make a difference, depending on what Nussmeier looks like and how long the WRs play. 

Losing offensive players wouldn't worry me at all, since if the LSU defense holds serve, Wisconsin is about to look like a group of All-Stars.  
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 31, 2023, 04:29:38 PM
9 players from the two-deep are gone, including the starting center and starting RB (both NFL). Starting WR, starting DL and starting OLB.


7 in the portal???
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MrNubbz on December 31, 2023, 04:45:33 PM
9 players from the two-deep are gone, including the starting center and starting RB (both NFL). Starting WR, starting DL and starting OLB.
:o where the hell do all these guys think they're going to land?Unless they are offered a schollie up front some just might regret it and learn the hard way
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 31, 2023, 04:52:59 PM
All these kids should check out the history of the portal. 

Brother is reading an article stating that Chubba Purdy has interest from TCU, north Texas, and Cal.   But, his first offer of a scholarship is from San Jose st.

Might want to keep his ship at UNL and compete with Dylan 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: MrNubbz on December 31, 2023, 05:08:39 PM
Wonder what protocol is when leaving one school.Do they as Tom Bodett says "leave the light on" in case said student decides to return or is his schollie immediately retracted or depends on a deal struck up? Like "well if you can't beat out killer Kowalski who is portaling in then you are a walk on" - asking for a friend
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 31, 2023, 05:18:40 PM
I'd guess it is a individual decision between each player and coach. 

Some coaches are probably tougher than others 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on December 31, 2023, 05:19:25 PM
Rhule says he sits down with each player on the roster 
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2024, 07:57:05 AM
7 in the portal???
Of those 9 from the two-deep, yes.

All told, there are 12 in the portal and 14 total gone.

Of the 12 in the portal, 3 have found jobs so far.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2024, 07:59:13 AM
:o where the hell do all these guys think they're going to land?Unless they are offered a schollie up front some just might regret it and learn the hard way
Of the 19 who left last year, only 11 found jobs elsewhere.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2024, 08:01:48 AM
Wisconsin losing defensive players may make a difference, depending on what Nussmeier looks like and how long the WRs play. 

Losing offensive players wouldn't worry me at all, since if the LSU defense holds serve, Wisconsin is about to look like a group of All-Stars. 
Losing an NFL-bound RB worries me.

The two playing today are not P5 RB's. One is a converted safety and the other one is a converted fullback.
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2024, 08:42:03 AM
:o where the hell do all these guys think they're going to land?Unless they are offered a schollie up front some just might regret it and learn the hard way
Everyone thinks they're the exception.  
Title: Re: Bowl Season 2023
Post by: FearlessF on January 01, 2024, 08:47:41 AM
Linebacker Randolph Kpai,* who has not appeared in a game during his three seasons in Lincoln, has entered the transfer portal.

Kpai makes the move ahead of the Jan. 2 deadline for players to leave their current school. Other Husker scholarship players to depart during the 30-day window include tight end Jake Appleget and quarterbacks Jeff Sims and Chubba Purdy.

NU has added one transfer from the portal in defensive back Blye Hill but continues to target others at positions including receiver, running back, linebacker and defensive line.