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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: betarhoalphadelta on December 06, 2023, 04:59:25 PM
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Okay, it's the offseason for almost all of us. Obviously teams like mine don't have some postseason play at all, but for anyone not a fan of 5 teams, you've got some worthless bowl game that half your star players will have portalled out before the game and the other half want to sit out and declare for the draft. So...
What's a musical artist that you "should" like, but you don't.
By that I mean a musical genre and demographic that this artist would fall squarely within your listening wheelhouse, but you don't like them for some reason. I.e. if you don't like hip hop, don't say Snoop Dogg. If you don't like pop, don't say Taylor Swift. We don't care what genres you don't like. And it can get more specific--I'm a fan of alternative rock, and Billie Eilish is alternative rock, and I don't like her music much. But I won't use her as an example because I'm not her demographic (angsty teen female), so it's no surprise I don't like her.
It's about artists that if someone saw your normal listening habits, they'd be surprised by a specific exclusion.
I'll start it off with one that I've mentioned before. I'm an alternative rock fan, including modern stuff. My primary music stations are ALT98.7 in LA and Alt Nation on SiriusXM.
But there's one alternative band that's wildly popular and I just don't like them:
twentyone pilots
They're just weird... And it seems like they're trying to be edgy for the sake of being edgy. And most of their songs include an interlude where they say some phrase that's supposed to be quasi-deep and philosophical, and which I probably would have loved when I was 16 and thought it was mindblowing... But I'm 45 and it just doesn't hit.
Who do you have?
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twenty-one pilots was a lot of fun live in person, very relatable and super-talented. I liked them just okay before but now I'm a fan.
There are several bands I don't like that I should. The most controversial one (and I shouldn't even bring it up because their fans are more like maniacal devotees) is...
Radiohead.
I'm the correct age. I like alternative rock. I like most of the Radiohead-adjacent bands-- their peers and counterparts around the globe.
I just don't like their music. It's a real turnoff for me.
Alright fanbois, come @ me!
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Fun.
I could probably come up with more if I put some thought into it, but off the top of my head, it's got to be Motley Crue. I love 80's hair bands....the driving riffs, the flashy guitar solos, overly compressed drums....the bizarre amounts of hairspray and makeup... Poison, Ratt, GNR, Leppard, Whitesnake, you name it, I'm mostly here for it. Except for MC.
Motley Crue checks all the boxes and were frequently kings of the scene, but something about their stuff is a No for me.
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Fun.
I could probably come up with more if I put some thought into it, but off the top of my head, it's got to be Motley Crue. I love 80's hair bands....the driving riffs, the flashy guitar solos, overly compressed drums....the bizarre amounts of hairspray and makeup... Poison, Ratt, GNR, Leppard, Whitesnake, you name it, I'm mostly here for it. Except for MC.
Motley Crue checks all the boxes and were frequently kings of the scene, but something about their stuff is a No for me.
I'm a big hair metal/glam rock fan too, of course. But, I'd expect Poison-hate before Crue-hate. I personally like Poison but I always considered them a Motley Crue-Lite.
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I'm a big hair metal/glam rock fan too, of course. But, I'd expect Poison-hate before Crue-hate. I personally like Poison but I always considered them a Motley Crue-Lite.
Poison should do a song called Alice Cooper.
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Ricky Skaggs. I liked him as a kid but now whenever his voice comes on I hit skip immediately.
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G-N-R,actually like their stuff but when Axel starts his nail on the chalboard/cat in a fan belt wailing on Beatles/Dylan and other covers - fuggedaboutit. Journey Perry sounds like the wretches he's attempting to serenade.Heard a few bars of Taylor Swift years back - underwhelming
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G-N-R,actually like their stuff but when Axel starts his nail on the chalboard/cat in a fan belt wailing on Beatles/Dylan and other covers - fuggedaboutit. Journey Perry sounds like the wretches he's attempting to serenade.Heard a few bars of Taylor Swift years back - underwhelming
I'm not sure you understand this thread's concept, but okay.
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You into the Holiday Nog already?
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I'm a big hair metal/glam rock fan too, of course. But, I'd expect Poison-hate before Crue-hate. I personally like Poison but I always considered them a Motley Crue-Lite.
I think probably a lot of people did. Similar to how a lot of people considered STP to be Pearl Jam-lite. In both cases, I kinda get it....but also, no.
I always liked Poison, no hate here. I don't really hate Crue, I just don't care for their music and usually turn it off if it comes on.
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You into the Holiday Nog already?
Nah a couple of weeks yet.
Let me try to assist. Think of some bands that you really like, or a style of music that you really like, that has several bands that play that style, and that you enjoy.
And then try to think if there's any similar band, that others who like the same music you do, actually do like, but that you just don't get into.
I mean, nobody expects an old guy like you, or even an old guy like me, to like Taylor Swift. So naming Taylor Swift isn't really the point of this thread. Get it?
Unless, UNLESS-- unless you are a huge fan of Olivia Rodrigo, and Ariana Grande, plus Katy Perry, and Lady Gaga. But Taylor Swift is the only one you DON'T like. Then, naming Taylor Swift, would fit the OP's thread topic.
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I think probably a lot of people did. Similar to how a lot of people considered STP to be Pearl Jam-lite. In both cases, I kinda get it....but also, no.
I consider them both to be Soundgarden Lite. :)
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James Taylor
Morrissey
Grateful Dead
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God, a bunch. The Beatles, The Rolling Stones. Basically, any huge band from the 60s and 70s. Can’t get into them. The Outlaw Country Legends. Waylon, Willie, Cash. Never got into that stuff too much.
If a music aficionado refers to an album as genius I probably don’t like it.
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Incubus
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I mean, nobody expects an old guy like you, or even an old guy like me, to like Taylor Swift. So naming Taylor Swift isn't really the point of this thread. Get it?
Unless, UNLESS-- unless you are a huge fan of Olivia Rodrigo, and Ariana Grande, plus Katy Perry, and Lady Gaga. But Taylor Swift is the only one you DON'T like. Then, naming Taylor Swift, would fit the OP's thread topic.
Don't go gussying up your reasons - Steve Perry sux
https://youtu.be/cyW-lckVtm8
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You are one weird dude, but I dig that about you.
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Good now fetch the Holiday Nog....and some Tito's
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AC/DC
George Throrogood
Michael Jackson
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I not a big Mahler fan, does that count?
I don't care for Bartok either in the main.
I do like Patsy Cline. I discovered this one time walking after midnight. But back then I was a bit crazy.
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Congrats, bwar-- you created a "name some rando musical artists you don't like" thread.
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Congrats, bwar-- you created a "name some rando musical artists you don't like" thread.
Like the Beatles and Michael Jackson ;)
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Prince.
There. I said it.
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That's BOLD and interesting!
Edit to add: I'm being serious. When I looked at my post it seemed sarcastic and snarky but that wasn't my intent.
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I think probably a lot of people did. Similar to how a lot of people considered STP to be Pearl Jam-lite. In both cases, I kinda get it....but also, no.
I always liked Poison, no hate here. I don't really hate Crue, I just don't care for their music and usually turn it off if it comes on.
Yeah, I was really into Poison... And then I moved from 5th grade into middle school lol. I can't really opine on the 80s hair bands because it was the genre that was JUST a little too early for me personally. And I don't listen to any of it now, so I've completely lost the thread.
I consider them both to be Soundgarden Lite. :)
I kinda think of them as siblings in the same genre. Soundgarden and Pearl Jam have unique and distinct sounds. As does STP, to be honest.
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AC/DC
George Throrogood
Michael Jackson
I feel like you've got the idea of the thread but I'm lacking context...
AC/DC is one of those rock groups that a ton of people love and I think there's a core group that just doesn't get it. So if you're part of that core group, I get where you're coming from.
Thorogood I have trouble trying to figure out what "genre" he's a part of. But then I think with people of a certain generation (including me) and with people of a certain habit (drinking, also me), you'd think the whole "when I drink alone, I prefer to be by myself" and "one bourbon, one scotch, one beer" to be sort of anthems (as I do; I enjoy them). So if you feel like your peer group (people like me) love those songs and you don't, I get it.
Michael Jackson might also be a bit of a generational thing. I grew up squarely in the MJ generation. I kinda aged out of that when I started to get into rock, but I can see how you'd look at the thread and say "my entire generation grew up idolizing MJ and I just don't get it"...
Well done.
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Prince.
There. I said it.
That's BOLD and interesting!
Edit to add: I'm being serious. When I looked at my post it seemed sarcastic and snarky but that wasn't my intent.
Yes. I believe he's one of those artists that has that "it doesn't matter what kind of music you like, you HAVE to idolize Prince" level of cachet...
So it takes a little bit of balls to come into a thread like this and throw that name out there.
But I'm with @GopherRock (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=47) -- maybe Prince is amazing... But the little bit of it that I've heard, it does nothing for me.
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Man I really can't imagine not liking Prince.
But I also really can't stand the Rolling Stones and I'm sure there are people that don't understand how THAT is possible, so there you have it. It takes all kinds.
Incubus
Pardon me?
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Prince.
There. I said it.
I agree...but I'm not from Minnesota. And honestly, nobody is "like" him in the mainstream, so I didn't say him, because I'm not sure if I should like him for any reason other than lots of others do, because I don't know anyone like him I do like
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Man I really can't imagine not liking Prince.
But I also really can't stand the Rolling Stones and I'm sure there are people that don't understand how THAT is possible, so there you have it. It takes all kinds.
Pardon me?
You like them? Every shitty house party I went to in college was playing them. I liked a lot of other similar bands that were played at shitty college house parties, but Incubus was an immediate walk out
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Pardon me?
Well played.
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Well played.
I hate them so much that I missed it, and I'm glad I did. Screw them
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I'm a big hair metal/glam rock fan too, of course. But, I'd expect Poison-hate before Crue-hate. I personally like Poison but I always considered them a Motley Crue-Lite.
There were two kinds of Hair Metal. That which was actually passable as metal; Motley Crue, Guns and Roses, Quiet Riot, etc. and then those that were just pop bands with a hair metal look; Poison and all the W bands, winger, wasp, whitesnake, warrant, etc.
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I agree...but I'm not from Minnesota. And honestly, nobody is "like" him in the mainstream, so I didn't say him, because I'm not sure if I should like him for any reason other than lots of others do, because I don't know anyone like him I do like
My opinion of Prince is probably tainted by the fact that I grew up in a household that ran on a steady diet of country and bluegrass, and I came of age when he was perceived as an eccentric crank that was going through a weird symbol phase, not knowing that it was the result of his legendary contract fight with Warner Brothers.
I was a month old on the weekend that Prince had the #1 song, movie, and album in America. Missed the boat on that one.
"But they're from Minnesota!" is a crutch used to support some really awful music. The Replacements and Husker Du are bands the music snobs in this town love, but sound like two raccoons fornicating in a wool sock.
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Also, my opinion of Prince might change if I didn't hear "Raspberry Beret" hourly on just about every real station in this town.
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That's why ELA doesn't like Bob Seger
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I hate them so much that I missed it, and I'm glad I did. Screw them
Ha! Fair enough. I'm old enough that I wasn't really going to "house parties" during their tenure. And they didn't get much (any?) club play.
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Also, my opinion of Prince might change if I didn't hear "Raspberry Beret" hourly on just about every real station in this town.
I like Prince well enough I guess, but when I was in HS the girls took Phys Ed on one side of the gym and the boys the other.
There was always a 4-6 week stretch during the year when the girls would do aerobics to music. Two of those songs were “I Would Die 4 U” and “Little Red Corvette.” I know there had to be others but those songs stick out so vividly to me. For 4 years in HS, there was always a month stretch where I heard those songs every damn day. It just kinda ruined Prince for me.
If I hear one of those songs now I immediately go back to playing dodge ball in gym class and glancing down at the other end of the gym and seeing girls half heartedly doing a poorly choreographed aerobics routine to them.
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My opinion of Prince is probably tainted by the fact that I grew up in a household that ran on a steady diet of country and bluegrass, and I came of age when he was perceived as an eccentric crank that was going through a weird symbol phase, not knowing that it was the result of his legendary contract fight with Warner Brothers.
I was a month old on the weekend that Prince had the #1 song, movie, and album in America. Missed the boat on that one.
"But they're from Minnesota!" is a crutch used to support some really awful music. The Replacements and Husker Du are bands the music snobs in this town love, but sound like two raccoons fornicating in a wool sock.
Bob Mould is a musical genius.
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Rolling Stones
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Whitney Houston
so there.
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Is there any "current" music or group anyone here likes at all? Or even knows about?
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There is current music?
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Sure. I listen to a lot of current music.
The first group that bwar named in this thread is a "current" band.
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There is current music?
Taylor swift
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Who?
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Is there any "current" music or group anyone here likes at all? Or even knows about?
Yes, yes. I'm a regular listener to XMU which is mostly new music. It's primarily a 'college radio ' vibe , so indie rock and other assorted genre less non hip hop new music. Like any channel, good and bad.
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Like all genres and all eras, "current" music has plenty of good and plenty of bad.
If you're ACTUALLY interested, there's this thing called "google" where you can ask for current bands that sound similar to one you like.
So, if you like, say, Led Zeppelin, it would suggest some current bands that you might like that are similar.
And if you like Depeche Mode, I'm fairly certain it will suggest Muse. :)
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Taylor Swift isn't current. She's been around since the 20-ots.
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She's making music that is topping the charts and she's setting tour dates that are breaking world records. Not sure how much more "current" you can be.
"Current" and "brand new" are not the same thing.
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I sometimes ponder what music will be listened to in say 50 years, or more. Folks still listen to music of the 1800s today, granted, it probably a small portion of the population, but it's pretty big in terms of interest and attention. I certainly enjoy a lot of jazz and blues from the 1930s etc. I like Big Band music but rarely listen to it. I like "old country" a fair bit. I like "old rock" from the 60s70s.
I quit listening to anything current probably around 1985 for various reasons. I'd guess some of it is decent. If I had to pick one "rock"ish band I like, it would be the Allman Bros. I like Pink Floyd too, I like mixed genres that are creative.
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We've discussed this a lot here over the years. The rate of change/innovation in music has been rapid over the past century+, and it seems to be driven as much or more by technological advancement, as by generational musical taste.
But that same rate of change has also slowed dramatically over the past 30 years or so. Once synthesizers, digital recording, and digital playback, all matured, there's been little technological development to drive any further change, and music has sort of settled out over that time.
So I'm not sure what music will sound like 50 years from now, or even 30 years from now, but I think if you'd told me in 1995 that music in 2025 wouldn't sound fundamentally different, I'd have been a little surprised. Because the music from 1965 sounded VERY different than what was being recorded and performed in the mid 90s.
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Who?
I like the Who and the Guess Who
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I like the Who and the Guess Who
On first base.
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Interesting point, I wonder if AI somehow will be more creative than humans? Before it kills us all?
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Interesting point, I wonder if AI somehow will be more creative than humans? Before it kills us all?
Ha!
That was my next thought (not the killing part, no sense in worrying about the inevitable).
But will artists start to use AI to make new, "weird" sounds that have never been made before? And will that become the next evolution of music? Will people like it just because it's different? Will old people like me hate it just because it's different?
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I wonder if "old people" heard Mozart for the first time and didn't like it. I know some didn't.
The movie "Amadeus" is a fine movie of course but not much historical in it.
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I wonder if "old people" heard Mozart for the first time and didn't like it. I know some didn't.
The movie "Amadeus" is a fine movie of course but not much historical in it.
I guess? Were people so enamored with the baroque period compositions, that they just couldn't stand that brand new classical composer, Mozart? :),
I don't expect the poor huddled masses had much access to orchestral music in either era. "Pop music" of the time would have been whatever the minstrel was playing on the lute, or bawdy tunes sung by the patrons at an inn or pub.
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Sure. I listen to a lot of current music.
The first group that bwar named in this thread is a "current" band.
Yeah, I listen to a lot of current stuff. My primary listening is not my own music collection, but radio (incl. the SiriusXM app).
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I consider them both to be Soundgarden Lite. :)
That would be quite a feat since all those bands have members who were in other bands together prior to hitting it big when grunge took off. They're sort of all "lites" of each other, in a way.
One of my dad's cousins in Ohio was in a lesser known hair band in the 80's. I asked him one time many years ago what the difference between grunge and alternative music was, because I was confused about the seemingly interchangeable terms, and I didn't understand if there was a difference, and if so, what it was. He thought about it for a minute and then said grunge was the sub-group of alternative bands who don't take baths. That definition worked for me.
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AC/DC is one of those rock groups that a ton of people love and I think there's a core group that just doesn't get it. So if you're part of that core group, I get where you're coming from.
AC/DC goes in an opposite thread for me. As in, a band that I feel like I shouldn't like, but do.
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I listen to AC/DC in any electric car, or whatever is like them and more current.
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I groaned audibly.
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I groaned audibly.
You could sue me for battery, but I'd resist that on line and be quite amped up about it.
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I'll throw out another one. I wouldn't consider myself a country "fan", but my wife is, and so I hear a lot of country. I enjoy a lot of it as well.
But I can't stand Carrie Underwood.
It's like every damn song is either about God or about cheating men... Which makes one ask... If you're part of a community where everyone loves God so much, how is it that every damn man can't keep it in his pants?
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Yeah I like a lot of country, though less so for stuff released in the past 20 years. But still, I liked Faith Hill and I liked Shania Twain and I consider Carrie Underwood to be basically in their mold as far as vocals and instrumentation.
And yet I just can't get into her music. I didn't notice all the religious songs, but I definitely noticed all the "cheating and revenge" songs. Just really not my thing.
Still she's okay to look at.
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but I definitely noticed all the "cheating and revenge" songs. Just really not my thing.
I mean seriously, if a male singer were singing the exact same lyrics about all the things he'd do to take revenge on a woman, he'd be #metoo'd into oblivion.
And then that Dixie Chicks song that was literally about straight-up murdering a dude? How would that fly if the genders were reversed?
Crazy.
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I usually play my country records backwards.
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I listen to AC/DC in any electric car, or whatever is like them and more current.
https://youtu.be/BVWaLpLVuVM?si=7-9XQW_ftIKFSYah
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And then that Dixie Chicks song that was literally about straight-up murdering a dude? How would that fly if the genders were reversed?
For you can't hang a man for killing a woman that's trying to steal your horse.
Country music has a long tradition of murder ballads.
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For you can't hang a man for killing a woman that's trying to steal your horse.
Yeah when's the last time you heard Willie sing THAT song? I've seen him 4x in the last ten years, he hasn't sung it once.
Even Willie can get #metoo'd
Notice, Johnny Cash shot a man in Reno...
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Great thread.
I was a 90's teenager. Two rock bands that I never understood the appeal were STP & Red Hot Chili Peppers. Always tried to like them, but never could.
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Built to Spill
The Black Keys
I like a very narrow section of country music, and Chris Stapleton is in that sliver. But I just don't dig him.
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I think there are artists which do portend perhaps the next sound or wave, as noted we've chronicled a lot of this.
Sometimes it's call being ahead of your time.
Commercially an obvious one is the Cars. They had such a unique sound which is both timeless and influential from a what's coming standpoint.
Another artist I love which is frankly less approachable, especially now is Bjork. Nobody does what she does. Her more familiar sounds, which are now about 30 years old are really timeless, and they've been very influential. Are Her latest sounds groundbreaking for others? Fossora is an amazingly challenging but innovative record. She's kind of had a career arc like David Bowie is some ways.
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Great thread.
I was a 90's teenager. Two rock bands that I never understood the appeal were STP & Red Hot Chili Peppers. Always tried to like them, but never could.
Yeah this is more like it. I, too, struggle to like the RHCP. At first I was into them, and then all of their songs just started sounding identical to me, and I lost interest. But lotsa folks still absolutely love them, and I probably should too. Great example of the OP's intent.
Built to Spill
The Black Keys
I like a very narrow section of country music, and Chris Stapleton is in that sliver. But I just don't dig him.
Black Keys for me, too. I like plenty of other similar bands, I just can't get into them for some reason.
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What's a musical artist that you "should" like, but you don't.
Eminem
I perfectly fit the demo and musical tastes that Eminem widely tapped into in the early 2000s – Skinny Tall Midwest White Boy Throttled By Teenage Anger.
Cut from the basketball team, didn’t know how to face my future, Mom battling health/drug issues, Dad gone from home a lot, parents unable to get ahead of their financial problems.
A home of typical dusfunction where Eminem’s music would otherwise be welcomed with open arms.
Instead, I quietly took him to be a bit of an overdone phoney. For one too many of my classmates became Eminem wannabes to the point it didn’t say anything to be a fan of him. Unlike how it said something to be a fan of Insane Clown Posse, Marilyn Manson, Korn, and Nu Metal. (In retrospect I know those offerings sorely fail the test of time but as a 7th/8th/9th grader understand that’s the material I was given.)
I thought Eminem played up and even wallowed in his hardships too much, but to most 8th graders that’s what balanced Eminem as both “hard” yet relatable.
Two, I wondered about the music itself. Eminem’s lyrics were always strong and memorable but the beats weren’t nearly as sophisticated other rappers.
And finally, if I wanted to go all the way with it, my parents would’ve had my head forcibly shaved if I sat down to dinner with my hair dyed blonde.
My parents didn’t like my music and over our teen years had my brothers and I get rid of CDs by Blink 182, Chili Peppers, and Linkin Park. All three of which I still like listening to on the local Alt Rock station.
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Yeah this is more like it. I, too, struggle to like the RHCP. At first I was into them, and then all of their songs just started sounding identical to me, and I lost interest. But lotsa folks still absolutely love them, and I probably should too. Great example of the OP's intent.
Interesting for me on this is both STP and Nirvana. I was huge on them back in the day. Don't have much if any interest in listening to either now.
Yet I still love Pearl Jam's early stuff.
Love RHCP tho.
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https://youtu.be/BVWaLpLVuVM?si=7-9XQW_ftIKFSYah
my first AC/DC cassette and still my favorite
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Great thread.
I was a 90's teenager. Two rock bands that I never understood the appeal were STP & Red Hot Chili Peppers. Always tried to like them, but never could.
I love RHCP, and do not like STP at all. So I guess they would fit for me as well
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Not the point, but hot take for all the hundreds of people from yesteryear who always accused STP of being Pearl Jam-lite, or knockoffs or whatever.
The STP guys are way better musicians than the Pearl Jam guys. And almost any other grunge-era band. If it were Sesame Street, STP is the thing not like the others.
You don't have to like them and I'd never fault anybody who doesn't (although I do), but objectively, they are much better at their instruments than any of their contemporaries ever thought about being. Which kind of makes sense, since "grunge" originated in Seattle and was basically a legitimized genre of garage bands, which is what all the earliest grunge bands were. But STP was from Los Angeles, which was still steeped in the highly stylized, producer-driven, commercial scene. Not that STP was that, but they come from that scene, and the effect seems to be real. I didn't notice it when I was a teen listening to all that. When I go back and listen to it now, it's glaringly obvious.
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Not the point, but hot take for all the hundreds of people from yesteryear who always accused STP of being Pearl Jam-lite, or knockoffs or whatever.
The STP guys are way better musicians than the Pearl Jam guys. And almost any other grunge-era band. If it were Sesame Street, STP is the thing not like the others.
You don't have to like them and I'd never fault anybody who doesn't (although I do), but objectively, they are much better at their instruments than any of their contemporaries ever thought about being. Which kind of makes sense, since "grunge" originated in Seattle and was basically a legitimized genre of garage bands, which is what all the earliest grunge bands were. But STP was from Los Angeles, which was still steeped in the highly stylized, producer-driven, commercial scene. Not that STP was that, but they come from that scene, and the effect seems to be real. I didn't notice it when I was a teen listening to all that. When I go back and listen to it now, it's glaringly obvious.
I think part of that discussion is based on whether or not people consider STP as "true grunge". So are they Pearl Jam-lite because they are a lesser version of such, or because they're not quite in that genre?
Fair or not, to me, they're not quite true grunge. But that is not to take anything away from them in regards to talent.
If I were to rank the big grunge bands + STP by my personal preference, it's:
STP
Pearl Jam
Alice in Chains
Nirvana
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Soundgarden
ETA: IMO, Robert DeLeo is criminally underrated as both a bass player and song writer.
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I think part of that discussion is based on whether or not people consider STP as "true grunge". So are they Pearl Jam-lite because they are a lesser version of such, or because they're not quite in that genre?
Fair or not, to me, they're not quite true grunge. But that is not to take anything away from them in regards to talent.
If I were to rank the big grunge bands + STP by my personal preference, it's:
STP
Pearl Jam
Alice in Chains
Nirvana
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Soundgarden
ETA: IMO, Robert DeLeo is criminally underrated as both a bass player and song writer.
Interesting. For me it's
Alice in Chains
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Pearl Jam/STP/Soundgarden/Temple of the Dog
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Nirvana
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I think part of that discussion is based on whether or not people consider STP as "true grunge". So are they Pearl Jam-lite because they are a lesser version of such, or because they're not quite in that genre?
Fair or not, to me, they're not quite true grunge. But that is not to take anything away from them in regards to talent.
I believe the Pearl Jam comparisons were because, at least early on, people thought Scott Weiland sounded like Eddie Vedder. Which....I guess I get that. Musically though, they just weren't very much alike. I mean really, at a small enough level, none of the grunge bands were quite alike musically, but I think if you group them all together minus STP, you'll have more similarities than between STP and any of the rest of them. Which doesn't have anything to do with the fact I think STP were better musicians. It's both....I think they were better musicians, playing music that was distinct from the rest.
Although, I would still call STP grunge. Or alternative, or whatever. They certainly weren't mainstream rock as it was constituted at the time, so seems like technically they'd have to be considered "alternative." But I think there's room for a wide range of sounds within a genre. Nirvana was sort of the Seattle garage version of a punk band, Pearl Jam was basically a blues-based rock band that got repackaged as something new and fresh, and STP was....well, I don't know what they were. I think about the chord progression of a song like "Plush," and I still don't know which corners of their ass the DeLeo brothers pulled that from. Despite the fact I think it's right to classify them with all those other bands, I think you are also correct....within that classification, it's right to divide it up into STP and the rest of them.
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So, I guess we've teased out that Nirvana is a band I should like, and that I definitely don't.
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So, I guess we've teased out that Nirvana is a band I should like, and that I definitely don't.
The Dave Grohl Effect skews my perceptions of the past. I remember not liking Nirvana nearly as well as others at the time. But I've enjoyed most of what Grohl has done since then, particularly with the Foo Fighters and Queens of the Stone Age. And it creates this misleading memory that I also liked Nirvana because of him. And if I hear Nirvana now, I do enjoy his drumming.
But I'm pretty sure the reality is, at the time, I didn't care much for Nirvana.
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The Dave Grohl Effect skews my perceptions of the past. I remember not liking Nirvana nearly as well as others at the time. But I've enjoyed most of what Grohl has done since then, particularly with the Foo Fighters and Queens of the Stone Age. And it creates this misleading memory that I also liked Nirvana because of him. And if I hear Nirvana now, I do enjoy his drumming.
But I'm pretty sure the reality is, at the time, I didn't care much for Nirvana.
I'm a huge fan of Dave Grohl's work post-Nirvana.
I'm not happy about WHY Nirvana ended, but I am happy that Grohl was freed up to perform in bands that I like much much much better.
I didn't like Nirvana then, and any time I hear it now, it's an immediate radio-dial-change for me.
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I like a wide variety of music
The one that I detest is hip-hop
hip-hop is an excuse for the untalented to appear talented
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So, I guess we've teased out that Nirvana is a band I should like, and that I definitely don't.
Yeah, Nirvana was a band I thought about mentioning in my first post on here.
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I like a wide variety of music
The one that I detest is hip-hop
hip-hop is an excuse for the untalented to appear talented
Clearly you don't understand the stated purpose of this thread.
What's a musical artist that you "should" like, but you don't.
By that I mean a musical genre and demographic that this artist would fall squarely within your listening wheelhouse, but you don't like them for some reason. I.e. if you don't like hip hop, don't say Snoop Dogg. If you don't like pop, don't say Taylor Swift. We don't care what genres you don't like. And it can get more specific--I'm a fan of alternative rock, and Billie Eilish is alternative rock, and I don't like her music much. But I won't use her as an example because I'm not her demographic (angsty teen female), so it's no surprise I don't like her.
It's about artists that if someone saw your normal listening habits, they'd be surprised by a specific exclusion.
Got anything that qualifies, 320?
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Reinforces my belief that Nubbz and 320 are the same person.
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Clearly you don't understand the stated purpose of this thread.
Got anything that qualifies, 320?
Yep
I should like hip-hop but I dont
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Reinforces my belief that Nubbz and 320 are the same person.
Dude I dont have near the creative mind that Nubbz has
but thanks anyway
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I guess Madonna?
I like 80's pop for the most part. Some of it holds up rather well, however even the stuff that doesn't imo, I still usually like it. Something about the sound of that era I just dig.
Seems Madonna's stuff from that time period probably encapsulates the genre as much as anything. But I don't care for most of Madonna's stuff, for whatever reason. I usually flip the station, and she's nearly the only artist on those stations that will cause me to do that.
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Maybe Boston too. Inasmuch as they belong in the 80's pop-rock category with bands like REO/Toto/Journey/Foreigner/Bad Company etc.
I like all that stuff too, but I could never get into Boston.
Thinking about all this has made me realize I don't actually know what it is I don't like about the exceptions to my rules. I just.....don't like them. Can't adequately explain why.
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I guess Madonna?
I like 80's pop for the most part. Some of it holds up rather well, however even the stuff that doesn't imo, I still usually like it. Something about the sound of that era I just dig.
Seems Madonna's stuff from that time period probably encapsulates the genre as much as anything. But I don't care for most of Madonna's stuff, for whatever reason. I usually flip the station, and she's nearly the only artist on those stations that will cause me to do that.
just to keep brad off my ass I also dont like Madonna but do like several of the other pop stars
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Maybe Boston too. Inasmuch as they belong in the 80's pop-rock category with bands like REO/Toto/Journey/Foreigner/Bad Company etc.
I like all that stuff too, but I could never get into Boston.
Thinking about all this has made me realize I don't actually know what it is I don't like about the exceptions to my rules. I just.....don't like them. Can't adequately explain why.
I like all those bands including Boston. I wonder if this is one subgenre-- late 70s/80s pop-rock-- where I actually DON'T have a band that I don't like?
Let's see, who else is similar? GTR, Triumph, Night Ranger, the Babys, maybe Loverboy (although they were perhaps slightly more toward Glam Rock in sound if not in look). Anyway, I like all of those bands too.
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just to keep brad off my ass I also dont like Madonna but do like several of the other pop stars
Heh. Well, there you have it.
I liked Madonna's earlier stuff. Not so much Vogue or anything after that.
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So, I guess we've teased out that Nirvana is a band I should like, and that I definitely don't.
Definitely one in my group too. I never understood the appeal.. like at all.
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Interesting. For me it's
Pearl Jam
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Smashing Pumpkins/Bush/Alice in Chains
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Sliverchair/Temple of the Dog
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STP
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Nirvana/RHCP
I corrected the above to outline mine. Not the point of the OP, but a fun added part of this.
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Dude I dont have near the creative mind that Nubbz has
but thanks anyway
There he goes. Trying to throw us off the scent but at the same time complimenting himself.
I think you're on to something, @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588)
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I had to drive a bit today, and hour up and an hour back and fiddled with the radio to find some "current music". Whatever it was was pretty drab and boring.
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By this time of year I'm well into my Christmas playlists/albums.
Today so far it's been "Christmas With Willie Nelson" and Michael McDonald's "In The Spirit." James Taylor's "At Christmas" is on deck.
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Reinforces my belief that Nubbz and 320 are the same person.
I'm mulling over the epiphany that you and Mdot wear the same skivvies
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Definitely one in my group too. I never understood the appeal.. like at all.
I wonder if Nirvana was partially so huge because they were just such a new and distinct sound. We had glam rock and hard rock and the like, but this was a brand new sound for most of us.
And then before we knew it, Cobain was gone, so like a lot of things when someone passes away, it almost canonizes it as being more than it ever was...
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Another one...
Oasis
Just never really saw what everyone else saw there, I guess?
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Another one...
Oasis
Just never really saw what everyone else saw there, I guess?
I feel like I don't know the difference between Oasis and Oleander. Did they come out at the same time? I get them confused.
When I look up Oasis songs, I liked Wonderwall and Champagne Supernova just fine. I don't hate them, anyway.
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I feel like I don't know the difference between Oasis and Oleander. Did they come out at the same time? I get them confused.
When I look up Oasis songs, I liked Wonderwall and Champagne Supernova just fine. I don't hate them, anyway.
Isn't one of those things the fake fat they tried to put in potato chips that gave everyone the runs?
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When I look up Oasis songs, I liked Wonderwall and Champagne Supernova just fine. I don't hate them, anyway.
Perfectly sums it up for me. I don't dislike them. I just don't think they had more than 2 good songs.
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I like Country/Western enough never been a big fan of Tim McGraw or Faith Hill though,maybe i haven't listened enough like I do here.Mcgraw's old man TUG was a hell of a reliever though.He was called that before Mel Tucker purloined it. Tug played 19 Major Leagues seasons with the Mets/Phillies and took the Phillies to their 1st world series championship.He didn't leave in one run in July of '80,mastered the screwball appropriately named for a guy like him. I remember in the 2008 series his son Tim spread his ashes on the mound in Philly before one of the games.Well the Phillies went on to win the game and the series 😎. Not sure but I may have hijacked my own post,have a couple of Sam Adams Winter Lager and Great Lakes Oktoberfests and you get creative or just full of shit
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I feel like I don't know the difference between Oasis and Oleander. Did they come out at the same time? I get them confused.
When I look up Oasis songs, I liked Wonderwall and Champagne Supernova just fine. I don't hate them, anyway.
I'm just the opposite.
Oleander was a throw away band with two hits. My wife likes those two songs much more than me. I don't veto skip them, but don't enjoy them either.
Oasis was polarizing; massively popular but also attracted a lot of hate. I'd consider myself a casual Oasis fan, but Wonderwall and Champagne Supernova are songs I almost never listen to. "Fuckin' in the Bushes" is probably my favorite song, which was popularized through the movie, Snatch.
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I wonder if Nirvana was partially so huge because they were just such a new and distinct sound. We had glam rock and hard rock and the like, but this was a brand new sound for most of us.
And then before we knew it, Cobain was gone, so like a lot of things when someone passes away, it almost canonizes it as being more than it ever was...
Kind of like how the doors actually sucked?
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The Doors were a good vibe-y band, but I can understand someone not liking them. I don't dislike them, but I'm meh overall about them.
Rush was a popular band who I always thought was really good at bad music. Their songs were just too off-putting for me. They could really play, tho. I saw a recent interview with the bass player and he was asked about their success despite not producing many singles or radio friendly songs. He said it was their personality.....said "Sometimes we'd come up with a really good hook and some lyrics and we'd think 'Hey, that sounds like a hit. We probably should change it,' and then we'd proceed to f*** it all up." I was like, huh, explains so much.
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Kind of like how the doors actually sucked?
Got anymore of those Drugs? Made great music with just 3 musicians and a singer
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I really dislike the Doors. But apparently their songs were okay, because every cover I hear of a Doors song, is way better than the original.
Billy Idol's cover of L.A. Woman is great.
Echo and the Bunnymen cover of People Are Strange is great.
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The Doors were a good vibe-y band, but I can understand someone not liking them. I don't dislike them, but I'm meh overall about them.
Rush was a popular band who I always thought was really good at bad music. Their songs were just too off-putting for me. They could really play, tho. I saw a recent interview with the bass player and he was asked about their success despite not producing many singles or radio friendly songs. He said it was their personality.....said "Sometimes we'd come up with a really good hook and some lyrics and we'd think 'Hey, that sounds like a hit. We probably should change it,' and then we'd proceed to f*** it all up." I was like, huh, explains so much.
I saw Rush live and they are such precise musicians that if you didn't know better, you'd think they were pantomiming their instruments and lip syncing the songs. Everything was spot on perfection.
I know a lot of people can't stand Rush because of Geddy Lee's voice, but I dig that it's actually something unique and doesn't sound like a carbon copy of everyone else in the genre.
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I really dislike the Doors. But apparently their songs were okay, because every cover I hear of a Doors song, is way better than the original.
Billy Idol's cover of L.A. Woman is great.
Echo and the Bunnymen cover of People Are Strange is great.
Don't ruin it, 94! My OT topic about great cover songs will be held back until this topic fully peters out!
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Don't ruin it, 94! My OT topic about great cover songs will be held back until this topic fully peters out!
320 wants to know if he can include great samples in hip hop songs
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I saw Rush live and they are such precise musicians that if you didn't know better, you'd think they were pantomiming their instruments and lip syncing the songs. Everything was spot on perfection.
I know a lot of people can't stand Rush because of Geddy Lee's voice, but I dig that it's actually something unique and doesn't sound like a carbon copy of everyone else in the genre.
Yeah I'm a big fan of Rush, I've seen them live multiple times. They're incredible musicians and were an impressively tight group.
But I really do understand the people who DON'T like them. I get it. They seem to be very polarizing.
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320 wants to know if he can include great samples in hip hop songs
Fearless is going to be annoyed by this, but one of the Peloton instructors has a series called "Sample That". It's a ride where the musical theme is old-school songs where he'll play a decent portion of the song (30-90 sec) and then play the song that sampled from it.
I wonder if 320 can name the song that used the intro of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y05mMRJrUnE
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The samples thread comes after the covers thread, come on man.
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The samples thread comes after the covers thread, come on man.
I considered it, but with the number of people on this board with a self-professed dislike for hip hop, I didn't think that thread would have any legs lol...
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I wonder if 320 can name the song that used the intro of this?
I can :)
That's not a feather in my cap, tho. Nobody my age does NOT recognize that.
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Sampling lovers? Enter Paul's Boutique. That record broke all the rules and frankly ruined Sampling for everyone.
De La Soul's debut did too at about the same time.
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I can :)
That's not a feather in my cap, tho. Nobody my age does NOT recognize that.
I take it then that you enjoyed the Super Bowl LVI halftime show as much as I did? :)
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Speaking of something relatively universal, in my experience Michael Jackson is it. I don't mean everybody likes him, I mean I've found very few people who actively hate his stuff. I swear I've been around the countriest of country-lovers who generally despise pop, R&B, you name it......I've been around heavy metal guys tatooed up their arms and back down their legs, punk guys who shot their necks out thrashing years ago.....and I swear, if I put on Billie Jean not ONE of those MFers through the years did anything but start bobbing their head to the rhythm of the drums. By the time the little synth line comes in their eyes are lighting up and they're humming along. Some of them just own it. Others look sheepish and try to play it off. But it's too late....I caught 'em. Probably doesn't go across age groups....anecdotally, this always happened with people relatively my age. But once I noticed it, sometimes I'd test it just to see if it would keep happening. It does.
Cue all the contrarians here to tell me how much they hate him/that song.
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I take it then that you enjoyed the Super Bowl LVI halftime show as much as I did? :)
I don't usually watch SB halftimes, so I would've missed whatever they did. I lost touch with rap around 2002ish or so, so while I know quite a bit of the popular stuff from early 90's into early 2000's, I've ignorant of the last 20 years or so, and I don't recognize a lot of new artists who collaborate with older artists in stuff like that.
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I don't usually watch SB halftimes, so I would've missed whatever they did. I lost touch with rap around 2002ish or so, so while I know quite a bit of the popular stuff from early 90's into early 2000's, I've ignorant of the last 20 years or so, and I don't recognize a lot of new artists who collaborate with older artists in stuff like that.
Well you'd be in luck. Literally everything except Kendrick Lamar (and maybe 50 Cent) were of that range... And I'm sure you're familiar with the 50 Cent tune...
Enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdsUKphmB3Y
(It won't embed due to NFL restrictions, so you'll have to go to YouTube to see it.)
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I saw Rush live and they are such precise musicians that if you didn't know better, you'd think they were pantomiming their instruments and lip syncing the songs. Everything was spot on perfection.
I know a lot of people can't stand Rush because of Geddy Lee's voice, but I dig that it's actually something unique and doesn't sound like a carbon copy of everyone else in the genre.
(https://images.app.goo.gl/eKPJf1LK6tjmdcqR8)
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Then Id have to slash both my wrists
no thanks
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Jim Morrison would be 80 today, so there's another thread "People I Can't Imagine Being 80"
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Break on Through
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I can't imagine anyone being 80 and I'm getting close
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You have plenty of preservatives in you,now whether the country or rather Gov't will be around is a different question
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Jim Morrison would be 80 today, so there's another thread "People I Can't Imagine Being 80"
Jim Morrison could have been a cat, and wouldn't have made it to 80, or had a good song
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You are wrong go listen to the backstreet boys
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You are wrong go listen to the backstreet boys
They can't play instruments, but they can sing, and they have a couple of songs I find myself humming for a day after I hear them
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Speaking of something relatively universal, in my experience Michael Jackson is it. I don't mean everybody likes him, I mean I've found very few people who actively hate his stuff. I swear I've been around the countriest of country-lovers who generally despise pop, R&B, you name it......I've been around heavy metal guys tatooed up their arms and back down their legs, punk guys who shot their necks out thrashing years ago.....and I swear, if I put on Billie Jean not ONE of those MFers through the years did anything but start bobbing their head to the rhythm of the drums. By the time the little synth line comes in their eyes are lighting up and they're humming along. Some of them just own it. Others look sheepish and try to play it off. But it's too late....I caught 'em. Probably doesn't go across age groups....anecdotally, this always happened with people relatively my age. But once I noticed it, sometimes I'd test it just to see if it would keep happening. It does.
Cue all the contrarians here to tell me how much they hate him/that song.
I'm not a Michael Jackson fan, but Billie Jean is one of the greatest pop songs of all time. Full stop. Bad, Thriller, Black or White, etc.? I couldn't care less for any of them. But Billie Jean? That song is a banger.
Which leads me to the many artists (the Rolling Stones, AC-DC, Eminem, and many, many more) who have been prolific, and several of their songs are great. For a hot second I thought I liked Eminem, but then I listed to Eminem Radio on Spotify and I realized, "nope, I just like a handful of his biggest hits." But that's not really the topic here, I don't think. I loved AC-DC as a hormone-fueled, dumb-ass 16-year old. Now I think they have about ten songs that I still love (Ditry Deeds: chef's kiss), but most of it is just stupid. Gimme Shelter and Paint it Black are two all-timers for me, but I've never really liked the Rolling Stones--so maybe they fit in the original post category for me.
And on that topic, bands I should like, but don't.
I don't really dig Alice in Chains. And I know given my taste, I probably should, but I don't. I like Nirvana well enough, but never understood all the drooling over Curt Kobain's genius. Just don't see it. I did walk through a Seattle Mo-Pop museum exhibit about Nirvana, and I do remember walking away having at least a better understanding of his reptuation, even if I didn't hear it in his music.
I'm not a big rap guy, but I like a lot of the "classics" (up through Eminem). I just have never figured out what people like about the Wu-Tang Clan. I just. don't. get it.
I love Green Day--is there a more GenX band? And I like a lot of emo music (MCR, Panic, IDKHow, Twenty One Pilots--probably not quite emo, but the emos love them--etc.), but I think Fallout Boy is just ok, which opinion is frowned on by the black nail polish crowd.
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Billie Jean might be the most universally loved song of all time. I like maybe 4-5 Michael Jackson songs, but whether you hate every other MJ song,.or love him, or anywhere in between, I think everyone loves that song
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They can't play instruments, but they can sing, and they have a couple of songs I find myself humming for a day after I hear them
I knew it!!!
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Billie Jean might be the most universally loved song of all time.
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Billie Jean might be the most universally loved song of all time.
I enjoyed dancing to Billie Jean and the king of Pop's music but this thought would have never crossed my Boomer mind
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Jim Morrison could have been a cat, and wouldn't have made it to 80, or had a good song
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IcjCfLstsmA?feature=share
https://youtu.be/IcjCfLstsmA
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IcjCfLstsmA?feature=share
https://youtu.be/IcjCfLstsmA
I liked him better in Top Gun
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https://youtu.be/BVWaLpLVuVM?si=7-9XQW_ftIKFSYah
https://youtu.be/X-d7kOayJ_M
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So you do/don't like them?
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Like em a lot with Bon Scott up front
just a little with Brian Johnson