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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on December 05, 2023, 07:30:19 PM
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From the Athletic:
The 'haves' separate into their own division, and directly use NIL dollars to pay players, through a trust fund. Directly, not separate like now.
Would have to offer at least half of all athletes $30K/yr.
They'd get to form their own rules, roster size, and scheduling.
Possibly would require half the monies to go to female sports.
Schools would opt-in to be part of this sub-division.
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It was inevitable.
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Get out of funding football and drop it in the League's lap
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That' would be A LOT of money going to women's sports.
Talk about making more in college than the pros!!!
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Where was this clown 5 years ago?
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Well, I hope all your schools enjoy it. I'm pretty sure mine won't make the cut.
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Well, I hope all your schools enjoy it. I'm pretty sure mine won't make the cut.
This sport sucks.
I'm not positive about this because it won't be intentional, but I won't be surprised if this was my last year of serious fan engagement with my team.
Portal's open again....players are leaving, some are probably coming. I can't keep track and am losing the desire to try. Most everything about the amateur-status, student-athlete sport I grew up loving has changed.
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This sport sucks.
I'm not positive about this because it won't be intentional, but I won't be surprised if this was my last year of serious fan engagement with my team.
Portal's open again....players are leaving, some are probably coming. I can't keep track and am losing the desire to try. Most everything about the amateur-status, student-athlete sport I grew up loving has changed.
Yup.
Sure would be nice if Texas could pull out one last NC before I run out of fucks to give about the sport.
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Yup.
Sure would be nice if Texas could pull out one last NC before I run out of fucks to give about the sport.
I hear you. If I were to wind up being over it, bummer of a way to end with that wretched defense, BUT, heckuva ride with that offense for the year.
I'd never admit this to anyone but you folks here, and most probably won't believe me anyway. My supply of damns given had already been somewhat depleted by 2019, and believe it or not, I didn't get nearly the high from that season like I did '03, '07, or even '11. Don't get me wrong, it was still fun, but I could tell even then that something inside had changed.
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From the Athletic:
The 'haves' separate into their own division, and directly use NIL dollars to pay players, through a trust fund. Directly, not separate like now.
Would have to offer at least half of all athletes $30K/yr.
They'd get to form their own rules, roster size, and scheduling.
Possibly would require half the monies to go to female sports.
Schools would opt-in to be part of this sub-division.
Whats the force behind this
Who out there is the decision maker requiring this to take place
I predict congress will get involved before this is over
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lawsuits
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Whats the force behind this
Who out there is the decision maker requiring this to take place
I predict congress will get involved before this is over
And make it even more of a shit show?
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I predict congress will get involved before this is over
And make it even more of a shit show?
Actually, it makes perfect sense. Just like defense dept contracts are designed to spread the love around to as many Congressional districts as possible, if there are ANY prominent schools that are excluded I can only imagine that the Reps from those districts (and those nearby / in their state) will throw a fit.
Think about it. Will Illinois and Northwestern make the cut? Minnesota? Indiana/Purdue (obv ND will make it). Arizona/ASU? Colorado/CSU? Kansas/KSU? Syracuse? Rutgers? Probably several others, but that's a bunch of states right there primed to throw a fit. And some of them might even do so if only one of the two state schools get in, because they're beholden to both fan bases. What about if UGA makes it but GT doesn't? I'm sure the Reps from Atlanta will join in.
They'll want to parade a bunch of CFB powers that be in front of them for hearings. It'll get their faces on TV protecting the purity of the sport.
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if you read the article it seems the intention is to divide by Athletic dept budget #.
Over a certain number of millions can afford to pay 50% of athletes $30,000 per season
Programs in the B1G and SEC with the TV revenue are almost there
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This sport sucks.
I'm not positive about this because it won't be intentional, but I won't be surprised if this was my last year of serious fan engagement with my team.
Portal's open again....players are leaving, some are probably coming. I can't keep track and am losing the desire to try. Most everything about the amateur-status, student-athlete sport I grew up loving has changed.
It has been going this way for a while for me as well.
Years ago my brother and I were in Bloomington for a game between Ohio State and Indiana. Unsurprisingly, the Buckeyes were up big in the second half and had a bunch of backups in on defense. As is typical, the backups were all overly eager to make a name for themselves by making a big play so Indiana wisely called a screen pass. It was hilarious to watch. Indiana's starting O-linemen all faked an attempt to block and all four of Ohio State's D-linemen plus a blitzing Lber each appeared to completely buy the fake and think that they were just so good that they got through then they all charged at the QB who threw a VERY easy pass to the IU RB who had 5 O-linemen in position to block for him while five of tOSU's defenders had taken themselves completely out of the play by falling for the fake blocks.
IU gained something like 25 yards on the play. After that my brother looked at me and said "That is ok, we don't want them making that mistake against Michigan in two or three years." That statement encapsulates a big part of CFB that is just plain gone now. Will tOSU's D-linemen in 2-3 years be 2023 tOSU freshmen or will they be transfers?
That is part of it.
Another part is something we haven't discussed in a while. A few years ago there was a big article on the gap between "Athlete" SAT scores and general student SAT scores in the B1G and other P5 leagues. Northwestern didn't report (private school) but the other B1G schools did and the gaps were shocking. I remember that Michigan had the biggest gap but that really isn't a knock on them. Everybody's football players had embarrassingly low scores, Michigan's gap was bigger simply because their general student population had the highest scores. When I dived into the details it became glaringly obvious that the vast majority of the guys we root for on Saturdays wouldn't be able to get into Clown College if they couldn't play ball. Seriously, the gaps were HUMONGOUS. The "athlete" scores at the top schools were hundreds of points lower than the LOWEST general student scores.
Eventually I had to simply accept the reality that when tOSU beats Michigan or when they beat tOSU, it isn't a case of tOSU students beating Michigan students or vice-versa, it is a matter of all of us watching each other's ringers because almost none of the players on the field would be at any of our schools without being world-class athletes.
So now we've reached a point where (basically) none of the players are legitimate students anyway and they are all playing for NIL cash and have little-or-no loyalty to the school or the staff and they can transfer willy-nilly so I feel like each season is distinct and 2023's group of tOSU ringers came up just short of the playoff so now we'll go to the portal and restock and maybe next year tOSU's ringers will be a little better.
Then on top of all of that, individual games will no longer be able to keep tOSU out. It sucked losing to Purdue in 2018 but a BIG part of what kept me intensely interested in each and every game back then was the fact that tOSU's NC hopes could die any given week. In Ohio State's other games that year they went 13-0 and really looked like a legit NC contender but one Saturday in October they looked like crap and that ONE bad game kept them out of the playoffs. That ends with the advent of the 12-team CFP next year.
So now regular season games will consist of my school's ringers playing some other school's ringers in a game that doesn't really matter except perhaps for seeding.
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I'm not positive about this because it won't be intentional, but I won't be surprised if this was my last year of serious fan engagement with my team.
I text almost exactly this to one of good friends last night. I added that I'd like to see Michigan win it all this year because this might be the last year I care about the sport and it's even remotely close to a collegiate game. It's already far from what we grew up with, but moving forward it will be an absolute mess and nowhere near a reflection of the great traditions that created the fanhood.
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It'll get their faces on TV protecting the purity of the sport.
They'd need a time machine to do that.
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I sort of wish the NFL would look at the money in CF and say... "we want that"... Form a development league that plays in the spring, leveraging existing infrastructure and pay college kids or kids out of HS to join your NFL team. Basically, pull a lot of the talent from CF and change the whole landscape.
Else, CF just has to admit it is a football league, create a salary cap and just admit, it has nothing to do with the college. If Nebraska is in the club...fine. If not... fine. I no longer invest energy in learning about the kids signing with Nebraska because many will be gone within a few years anyways.
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I always liked college sports because the money side of professional sports just bores me to tears. I don't care about a gm trying to stay under the salary cap with all of his various contract negotiations at all. But you can't hardly talk about professional sports without it being a large part of the conversation.
Now, college is getting to be the same way with NIL and TV contracts. blech
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From the Athletic:
The 'haves' separate into their own division, and directly use NIL dollars to pay players, through a trust fund. Directly, not separate like now.
Would have to offer at least half of all athletes $30K/yr.
They'd get to form their own rules, roster size, and scheduling.
Possibly would require half the monies to go to female sports.
Schools would opt-in to be part of this sub-division.
It is an interesting proposal. Ultimately, it seems, it would cut down the number of Olympic sports.
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If nothing else, I respect his acknowledgement that there are haves and have-nots. What I've called the big, fat lie that FBS has been propagating is more disrespectful than plain ole honesty.
No, G5 teams don't have a chance at a NC. Not a real chance. 1984 was never going to happen again - not in the BCS (see TCU, Boise, Utah), not in the playoff (see Cinci - included, but 2 major, consecutive upsets aren't a thing), and ESPECIALLY not in a 12-team playoff (double your required major, consecutive upsets).
Also, the bottom 3rd of each P5 conference doesn't really have any chance, either. There's no crime in saying so. I have no idea what influence or power the NCAA president has (he may just be a 'tallest midget'), but at least the idea is based on reality.
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Best records from 1970-2023, by program:
Northwestern: 10-2 (only season with as few as 2 losses, not counting 2020)
Indiana: 9-3
Wake Forest: 11-3, twice....never ranked higher than 9th in any poll
Iowa St: 9-3, twice
Kansas: 12-1.....but ranked behind six 2-loss teams in final regular season poll....this is a great example of the big, fat lie
Vanderbilt: 9-4, twice - both under Franklin, who parlayed it into a Penn St HC job
Illinois: 10-2, three times...never finished ranked higher than 10th in polls
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These are the PEAK seasons in the past 50+ years for the worst all-time P5 programs. The idea that they could win a NC is just mean. They're fodder for the elite programs - entertaining sacrificial lambs - and have been for decades.
You can only have 8 or 10 or 12 apex predators in a space if there's enough food supplied to them so that they don't eat each other. That's what college football has been, good or bad.
Yes, those rare successful 2 or 3-loss seasons were special, but were they worth the other 95% of suckitude? I can't imagine it's fun paving the way for UM or OSU's march to the Rose Bowl every year.
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Anyway, honesty is good. Time will tell if a bunch of apex programs dining on each other with no fodder will be a good idea or not.
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I sort of wish the NFL would look at the money in CF and say... "we want that"... Form a development league that plays in the spring, leveraging existing infrastructure and pay college kids or kids out of HS to join your NFL team. Basically, pull a lot of the talent from CF and change the whole landscape.
Else, CF just has to admit it is a football league, create a salary cap and just admit, it has nothing to do with the college. If Nebraska is in the club...fine. If not... fine. I no longer invest energy in learning about the kids signing with Nebraska because many will be gone within a few years anyways.
Ed Zachery - it's been mine/others POV for quite some time.Basically admit the Top 25 Division I teams are a Minor League that the NFL pays nothing/zippo/nada/zilch for to develop. Just transfer the bill to the League and charge for upkeep and other expenses
University presidents need to redirect expenses and resources into actuall instruction and improvement
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These are the PEAK seasons in the past 50+ years for the worst all-time P5 programs. The idea that they could win a NC is just mean. They're fodder for the elite programs - entertaining sacrificial lambs - and have been for decades.
You can only have 8 or 10 or 12 apex predators in a space if there's enough food supplied to them so that they don't eat each other. That's what college football has been, good or bad.
Yes, those rare successful 2 or 3-loss seasons were special, but were they worth the other 95% of suckitude? I can't imagine it's fun paving the way for UM or OSU's march to the Rose Bowl every year.
As a fan of one of those teams that could never win an NC... We knew that. There was no delusion about it. But there was more to the sport than winning an NC.
As I said before, the NC wasn't even in our thoughts as a Purdue fan. The hierarchy stopped one step short of that.
What we wanted pretty much in order:
- Beat IU
- Beat Notre Dame (we used to play them annually)
- Become bowl eligible so we can go SOMEWHERE in the post-season
- Be better than .500 in conference
- Win enough games to make a decent bowl. You know, somewhere nice. With sun and warmth and palm trees.
- Somehow win enough games to sneak in and win the Big Ten championship, probably relying on a tiebreaker, but we'll take it!
- Go to the Rose Bowl
Notice the next steps, of "go undefeated" and "be crowned MNC" weren't even there.
We KNEW we weren't NC material. But there was dignity and fun in the college football landscape as it was. It wasn't "suckitude". It was the understanding that there are other things to play for than an NC.
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We KNEW we weren't NC material. But there was dignity and fun in the college football landscape as it was. It wasn't "suckitude". It was the understanding that there are other things to play for than an NC.
That's where the sport is losing me. It used to be that a good season felt exactly like that....a good season. The way everything is wired now--and consequently wires us--is it's NC or bust. There's still some value in winning the conference, but that will be irrelevant soon enough when the B1G and the SEC swallow up the entirety of cfb alongside a 12-team playoff format.
I'm old enough to remember when making the Sugar Bowl was priority Numero Uno for an LSU fan, and fans didn't think in terms of NCs....not because it was necessarily unattainable, but because winning the conference, going to the Sugar, and finishing top 10 or even top 5 just felt so good. There was a lot more room for "successful seasons" then. As some have noted, the playoffs suck all the oxygen out of the room. NIL/portal/sit-outs don't help. If you're not in the playoffs now, there's not much that a program like LSU feels good about, other than getting the young guys some reps for next year.
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I've noted a thing about the NFL before, games very often are decided by less than a score. It's akin to having most teams well in the middle, statistically the games are about 50-50, coin tosses. So you end up with one team at 10-6 and another just about as good at 6-10. The majority are "average" teams.
And even the "best" team ends up 13-3 or so, which is statistically possible for an average team. There really isn't much competition as I think of the term.
I think in CFB we're headed to ten or so "elite" teams who dominate year after year after year and the Kansas State fan just folds his tent.
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The NCAA should hold an annual auction as an alternate to the portal and traditional recruitment for student athletes who care most about money. The auction should allow pooling of booster and athletic department funds and non-liquid assets.
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I sort of wish the NFL would look at the money in CF and say... "we want that"... Form a development league that plays in the spring, leveraging existing infrastructure and pay college kids or kids out of HS to join your NFL team. Basically, pull a lot of the talent from CF and change the whole landscape.
Else, CF just has to admit it is a football league, create a salary cap and just admit, it has nothing to do with the college. If Nebraska is in the club...fine. If not... fine. I no longer invest energy in learning about the kids signing with Nebraska because many will be gone within a few years anyways.
I honestly think this is a great idea for several reasons.
#1 being that the players who absolutely are not college material can just skip the whole faux college thing altogether. We all know 70/90% of these guys would never set foot on campus otherwise.
I say let’s put the college back in college football. Just like baseball, some players would go to the D league straight out of HS. The best would go to the NFL in 1-3 years. The ones who really want to go to college and have the academics can still play CFB. But they have to get into the school. No more special exceptions.
The league w should then keep the 3 year rule for the draft. And we should let our athletes play 5 years. No redshirt. No medical redshirt. Just 5 years to play 5. That’s fair.
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Heck, I’d almost say if a student athlete kept a good enough GPA and had an excellent record let ‘em have a 6th year. Why should we limit their playing time when many do spend more time in grad school etc.
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As a fan of one of those teams that could never win an NC... We knew that. There was no delusion about it. But there was more to the sport than winning an NC.
As I said before, the NC wasn't even in our thoughts as a Purdue fan. The hierarchy stopped one step short of that.
What we wanted pretty much in order:
- Beat IU
- Beat Notre Dame (we used to play them annually)
- Become bowl eligible so we can go SOMEWHERE in the post-season
- Be better than .500 in conference
- Win enough games to make a decent bowl. You know, somewhere nice. With sun and warmth and palm trees.
- Somehow win enough games to sneak in and win the Big Ten championship, probably relying on a tiebreaker, but we'll take it!
- Go to the Rose Bowl
Notice the next steps, of "go undefeated" and "be crowned MNC" weren't even there.
We KNEW we weren't NC material. But there was dignity and fun in the college football landscape as it was. It wasn't "suckitude". It was the understanding that there are other things to play for than an NC.
I wasn't writing as a fan of one of those programs. Your reality is accurate because it's your program.
I'm talking about everyone who acted as if the big fat lie wasn't a thing.
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A potential plus from the "haves" breaking off onto their own, with autonomy and freedom, is that they can "fix" the alignment of the conferences and format for a postseason.
This would only happen with someone in charge, and with an eye towards prudence, lol.
If we could have 40 programs, all on actual equal footing, this is easy. No more big, fat lie.
Keeping in mind they're all under one umbrella, conference affiliation doesn't truly matter, but becomes a framework under traditional nomenclature.
40 schools
4 conferences
10 teams ea
9 conf games (everyone plays everyone else in-conf)
3 ooc
conf champs make playoff
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some options:
ooc games don't "matter," but allow for diverse strategy: battle-test your team or get 3 freebie wins and have backups get PT
playoff could be seeded or have two pairs of conf champs always face each other (ACC vs SEC, XII vs B1G in the RB or something)
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It's so easy, it'll never happen.
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A potential plus from the "haves" breaking off onto their own, with autonomy and freedom, is that they can "fix" the alignment of the conferences and format for a postseason.
This would only happy with someone in charge, and with an eye towards prudence, lol.
Keeping in mind they're all under one umbrella, conference affiliation doesn't truly matter, but becomes a framework under traditional nomenclature.
yup, one TV contract
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Looking at the top revenue athletic programs, Purdue is actually 37th. If I want the top 40, and include private football schools Miami, ND, and USC, then Purdue is the 40th team. Indiana is comfortably in, as well.
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PAC-10: UW, UO, Cal, USC, AU, ASU, Utah, Neb, KU, OU
BIG TEN: MN, UW, ILL, ND, IU, PU, OSU, UM, MSU, Iowa
SEC: Tex, A&M, Ark, LSU, OM, Bama, TN, Aub, UGA, UF
EAST 10: PSU, UK, UL, UVA, UNC, Clem, USCe, Miami, FSU
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Sorry, Mizzou, UK, UL - you're in no-man's land.
Sorry Neb, KU, OU, Texas teams, there's not enough teams out west
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Everyone plays everyone else in the conference. Head-2-head breaks a tie. For 3-way ties, they play rock-scissors-paper.
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Looking at the top revenue athletic programs, Purdue is actually 37th. If I want the top 40, and include private football schools Miami, ND, and USC, then Purdue is the 40th team. Indiana is comfortably in, as well.
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PAC-10: UW, UO, Cal, USC, AU, ASU, Utah, Neb, KU, OU
BIG TEN: MN, UW, ILL, ND, IU, PU, OSU, UM, MSU, Iowa
SEC: Tex, A&M, Ark, LSU, OM, Bama, TN, Aub, UGA, UF
EAST 10: PSU, UK, UL, UVA, UNC, Clem, USCe, Miami, FSU
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Sorry, Mizzou, UK, UL - you're in no-man's land.
Sorry Neb, KU, OU, Texas teams, there's not enough teams out west
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Everyone plays everyone else in the conference. Head-2-head breaks a tie. For 3-way ties, they play rock-scissors-paper.
I think out of 40 programs only 20-30 would be real contenders.
Need an SWC in there for Ark, Tex, and A&M.
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It's a bit odd in a way that programs have been migrating into FBS from FCS over the past years, but in the deep past, programs migrated OUT (Ivy League). Maybe this was because they had plenty of money and of course TV was a nonfactor then. Today, I don't think there is any incentive for programs to migrate OUT, they'd end up losing probably in every case.
But, in theory, that could be a path forward. In theory, heh.
It's just kind of a shame that the "New Mexico States" of the world get paid a million bucks plus to get pounded on by some SEC Blue Blood.......
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Programs Admn's make out - the actual student-athletes are sacrificial lambs but get an atta boy so it's all good ::)
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This is a depressing thread ....
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have another cup of joe
back in the day, the Huskers played the YMCA of Omaha
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What he's doing is trying to keep the NCAA intact so that they don't have their March cash cow blown up.
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If your kansas and 40 schools break off... are you voting to allow those 40 to play in NCAA baseball and basketball tournaments? The leave-behinds should have some pride... jmo