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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2023, 08:11:50 AM
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Aside from Army-Navy next weekend, this is it until bowl season and the playoff.
I'll be watching a lot of this. Some really good matchups here. Playoff implications in Bold.
New Mexico State at Liberty 12/1 - 7PM CBSSN
Oregon vs. Washington - Las Vegas 12/1 - 8PM ABC
Miami (OH) vs. Toledo - Detroit 12/2 - 12PM ESPN
Oklahoma State vs. Texas - Arlington 12/2 - 12PM ABC
Boise State vs. UNLV - Las Vegas 12/2 - 3PM FOX
Appy State at Troy - 12/2 - 4PM ESPN
SMU at Tulane - 12/2 - 4PM ABC
Georgia vs. Alabama - Atlanta - 12/2 - 4PM CBS
Louisville vs. Florida State - Charlotte - 12/2 8PM ABC
Michigan vs. Iowa - Indianapolis - 12/2 8PM FOX
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Wanna make the committee's job easy?
Washington-Oregon - Winner is in
Michigan beats Iowa - UM is in
Georgia beats Bama - UGA is in
Louisville beats FSU - FSU is out
Texas beats oSu - UT is in
1. UGA
2. UM
3. UW/UO
4. UT
There ya have it.
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Oregon vs. Washington - give me Oregon in the rematch, I think. Hard to beat a team twice in one season.
Oklahoma State vs. Texas - Texas should win, easily.
Georgia vs. Alabama - thinking Georgia wins comfortably, and that they'll turn Milroe over a couple times.
Louisville vs. Florida State - Florida State would probably win comfortably with Jordan Travis....but....no Jordan Travis. Toss up game imo.
Michigan vs. Iowa - if Michigan lost, would be even bigger upset than TCU last year in the playoff or App State at home in '07 imo. Iowa is without by far it's best player on defense in DeJean and they literally do not have an offense.
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Oregon vs. Washington - give me Oregon in the rematch, I think. Hard to beat a team twice in one season.
Historically, it hasn't been, the team winning the first time usually wins the second. We remember the exceptions. I think Oregon is the better team here, and they are favored.
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Vegas hosting two is different.
It would be funny if the MW CCG outdrew the PAC 12 CCG in Vegas, due to UNLV playing in it.
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just thankful for College football on a Friday night
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Oregon vs. Washington - Las Vegas 12/1 - 8PM ABC
Working the last half of this week in Vegas. Got tix and will be at tonight's last Pac 12 CG Game. Lower Bowl 35 yd line. Can't wait.
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that's 7pm Central
I can almost be in bed on time
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Don't think im going to game tomorrow night in Indy. May hang w some dudes downtown
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I'll be watching the first half of the UT game from home, then I'll be attending a Celebration of Life for my wife's aunt who passed away a couple of weeks ago. They're all a bunch of aggies so I doubt they'll have the game on at the back of the church... :)
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Working the last half of this week in Vegas. Got tix and will be at tonight's last Pac 12 CG Game. Lower Bowl 35 yd line. Can't wait.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on that stadium. Looks great on TV.
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I signed up to go see a movie with a friend without really thinking about the fact that I’m going to miss the first couple hours of Oregon Washington. Which is a little unfortunate.
But a friend of mine is a big Georgia fan, so we will head to a good sports bar tomorrow afternoon for that.
Aiming to sneak in some exercise in the morning and then settled in to watch Wisconsin basketball before that.
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sorry about the Georgia fan thing ;)
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sorry about the Georgia fan thing ;)
It’s good company, but the barking is gonna be a lot.
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Aside from Army-Navy next weekend, this is it until bowl season and the playoff.
I'll be watching a lot of this. Some really good matchups here. Playoff implications in Bold.
New Mexico State at Liberty 12/1 - 7PM CBSSN
Oregon vs. Washington - Las Vegas 12/1 - 8PM ABC
Miami (OH) vs. Toledo - Detroit 12/2 - 12PM ESPN
Oklahoma State vs. Texas - Arlington 12/2 - 12PM ABC
Boise State vs. UNLV - Las Vegas 12/2 - 3PM FOX
Appy State at Troy - 12/2 - 4PM ESPN
SMU at Tulane - 12/2 - 4PM ABC
Georgia vs. Alabama - Atlanta - 12/2 - 4PM CBS
Louisville vs. Florida State - Charlotte - 12/2 8PM ABC
Michigan vs. Iowa - Indianapolis - 12/2 8PM FOX
And since we've already burned it all down, imagine if all conference championships had playoffs on the line. May have saved some things
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I'm super amped for our first scheduled rematch before the season began.
Stoked.
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I don't mind rematches
better than watching USC or UCLA
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I don't mind rematches
better than watching USC or UCLA
A rematch is fine, unless it's inevitable before the season begins.
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U Dubb
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Ducks might want to check the bus for their defense
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Has there ever been a Dr Pepper challenge at one of these games where it looked like either contestant ever touched a football in their life?
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Has there ever been a Dr Pepper challenge at one of these games where it looked like either contestant ever touched a football in their life?
I need the McDonalds Monopoly documentary, where someone gamed the Dr. Pepper challenge
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Jerry Kill has definitely changed his accent. Just nobody notices Minnesota to New Mexico as much as they do northern Catholic to Bayou
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The Liberty offense is sexy as hell
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UW Mt Rushmore off the top of my head: Don James, Warren Moon, Napoleon Kaufman, Reggie Williams or that tall TE
UO Mt Rushmore off the top of my head: LaMichael James, Marcus Mariota, Bobby Moore (Ahmad Rashad), Ricky Whittle
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The Liberty offense is sexy as hell
Yeah, but their Bio 101 class is bullshit.
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Why do so many nfl stadiums have problems with their grass/turf? I don't see these issues in college stadiums
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Yeah, but their Bio 101 class is bullshit.
If you had taken their student reaction to that first down overturn, and played it as a reaction to Jesus resurrecting and being ambivalent about homosexuality, it would have worked
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Why do so many nfl stadiums have problems with their grass/turf? I don't see these issues in college stadiums
That's coming to a head. I actually think the NFL stadiums committed to it are fine. And the NFLPA is getting vocal about it. But the next step is all of the college stadiums who have gone to it. It's more expensive to maintain a good grass field, but it's also safer. So "player safety" is coming to a head
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Dollar per player safety (DPS)
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I get it for college. They don't care.
But the Jets and Vikings could have bought the entire NFL natural turf fields for what they are paying Rodgers and Cousins to not play
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UW Mt Rushmore off the top of my head: Don James, Warren Moon, Napoleon Kaufman, Reggie Williams or that tall TE
UO Mt Rushmore off the top of my head: LaMichael James, Marcus Mariota, Bobby Moore (Ahmad Rashad), Ricky Whittle
Washington - Steve Emtman, Warren Moon, Marquis Tuiososopo, Lincoln Kennedy
Oregon - Joey Harrington, Marcus Mariota, LaMichael James, Dennis Dixon
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Washington lets them score in two plays and only take like 30 seconds off the clock. Still not over in Vegas.
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That closes the book on the Pac-12/Pac-10/Pac-8/AAWU/PCC.
Conference championships (including shared):
39 USC
20 Warshington
17 UCLA
14 Stanford
13 Oregon, Cal
5 Oregon St
4 Warshington St
3 Arizona St
2 Utah
1 Arizona
0 Colorado
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Utah won twice as many PAC titles in 12 years of membership as Arizona did in 45 years.
Arizona's only "title" was a 2-loss, 3-way share of it in 1993. They never made a Rose Bowl.
Washington State went 67 years between conference titles (1930 - 1997). They took just 5 years to get another in 2002 (shared).
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That closes the book on the Pac-12/Pac-10/Pac-8/AAWU/PCC.
Conference championships (including shared):
39 USC
20 Warshington
17 UCLA
14 Stanford
13 Oregon, Cal
5 Oregon St
4 Warshington St
3 Arizona St
2 Utah
1 Arizona
0 Colorado
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Utah won twice as many PAC titles in 12 years of membership as Arizona did in 45 years.
Arizona's only "title" was a 2-loss, 3-way share of it in 1993. They never made a Rose Bowl.
Washington State went 67 years between conference titles (1930 - 1997). They took just 5 years to get another in 2002 (shared).
Stepped up from the WAC. Not easy to do.
I attribute Utah's success there to Urban Meyer. He elevated that program while it was in the MWC.
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Nix had a better QBR last night than Penix
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Stepped up from the WAC. Not easy to do.
I attribute Utah's success there to Urban Meyer. He elevated that program while it was in the MWC.
That’s an interesting approach, but I think it probably gives Urban or little too much credit.
He supplied a certain kind of meteoric rise factor. And that’s impressive invaluable. But the guys before an after him did the hard work of “program building”
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I don't think Utah is (was) in the Pac without Urban's influence there. He put the program on the big map and made Utah into a little school that could, and Whittingham maintained it to the point where they are now a big boy program.
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I don't think Utah is (was) in the Pac without Urban's influence there. He put the program on the big map and made Utah into a little school that could, and Whittingham maintained it to the point where they are now a big boy program.
Yes and no.
The guy before Urban coached there 13 seasons, nine winning. He went 10-2 one year, with a top-10 finish. Laid the ground work. Urban took that guys players, applied his sport-changing scheme and approach, raised things a level. And then Whittingham didn't just maintain, but rebuilt. Led them back from a couple dips that could've sunk things.
Urbs provided a key spark, but it was a three-decade operation.
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A Michigan-Washington Rose Bowl (semifinal) would be a fine way to really end the ICFR/Western Conference/Big Ten-P12/10/8/PCC era.
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Yes and no.
The guy before Urban coached there 13 seasons, nine winning. He went 10-2 one year, with a top-10 finish. Laid the ground work. Urban took that guys players, applied his sport-changing scheme and approach, raised things a level. And then Whittingham didn't just maintain, but rebuilt. Led them back from a couple dips that could've sunk things.
Urbs provided a key spark, but it was a three-decade operation.
Fair enough.
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I don't think Utah is (was) in the Pac without Urban's influence there. He put the program on the big map and made Utah into a little school that could, and Whittingham maintained it to the point where they are now a big boy program.
The counter would be Bowling Green. While Urban put them on the map while he was there, they fell off the planet after he left. Meaning it take more than just one powerful coach having a couple good years and then someone to maintain. It takes a lot of people for a long period of time to elevate to a level that has longevity.
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Ducks might want to check the bus for their defense
For having a defensive background AND highly rated defensive players across that side of the ball, Dan Lanning’s defense utterly failed. Gave up 481 yds and folded like a frightened poker player down the stretch. No answers for the Huskies elite receiving corps of McMillan, Odunze, Polk, and Bernard.
Congrats Washington. Planning on walking over in an hour and catching Texas-Ok St at MGM's sportsbook.
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The counter would be Bowling Green. While Urban put them on the map while he was there, they fell off the planet after he left. Meaning it take more than just one powerful coach having a couple good years and then someone to maintain. It takes a lot of people for a long period of time to elevate to a level that has longevity.
Utah had much better resources than BG had, and a rabid fane base. That was there before Urbs - you are correct.
When UW played them in the 1996 Copper Bowl, they brought like 35K fans to Tucson. Quite impressive.
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A Michigan-Washington Rose Bowl (semifinal) would be a fine way to really end the ICFR/Western Conference/Big Ten-P12/10/8/PCC era.
Ya they are 2-2 in the Rose Bowls Don James coached in all 4 of those games.Bo in 2 of them
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you get a Yuengling
I was gonna ask that question
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OSU not feeling the OSU solidarity
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pretty sure the green OSU defense is WAY better than the OSU cowpoke defense
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Seems like a Big 12 kind of game.
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Seems like a Big 12 kind of game.
Seemed like a B1G East trouncing the B1G West CCG up until that interception/score.
But Texas answers to make it 35-14 and I think they're just going to keep running away with this one.
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yup, it's over.
The refs can't even help the hapless pokes
I think I'll wrap Xmas gifts
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I’m a fan of teams wearing solid jerseys against other like Boise and UNLV.
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Are Wazzou and OSU3 demonstratively better than Boise and UNLV? Or will they just blend into the Mountain West pack?
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This is getting interesting.
What if Bama wins, and so do Michigan and FSU? Who are your 4 teams?
If you assume undefeated conf champs should be in ( and they should).
Who gets that 4th spot? Bama or Texas? You would have to go with Texas. Head to head in Tuscaloosa.
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This is getting interesting.
What if Bama wins, and so do Michigan and FSU? Who are your 4 teams?
If you assume undefeated conf champs should be in ( and they should).
Who gets that 4th spot? Bama or Texas? You would have to go with Texas. Head to head in Tuscaloosa.
A Bama win makes things very interesting for the committee
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Whew buddy if this result holds and FSU wins...gonna be some apoplectic people somewhere
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What I think should happen and what I think would happen are two different things
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What I think should happen and what I think would happen are two different things
Well- let’s hear it. I love your takes. 😊
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Honestly I don't have a real strong opinion on what would happen. Some people say FSU would be out - that seems crazy. A P5 team winning all their games and getting left out in favor of two that didn't. Sounds crazy and indefensible. Bama can't be left out if they win the SEC. Teas has the same record and beat Bama at Bama, can't leave them out in favor of Bama. I really have no idea.
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Well- let’s hear it. I love your takes. 😊
If Bama and FSU win it should be:
UW
Michigan (assuming they win)
Texas
FSU
If Bama and UL win it should be:
UW
Michigan
Bama
Texas
UGA shouldn’t get special consideration because they are the two time defending NC. Their OOC this year isn’t impressive and their overall resume is good, not great. And this isn’t your typical SEC.
The SEC has lost the majority of its notable OOC games.
Utah beat UF
FSU beat UF
FSU beat LSU
Texas beat Bama
UNC beat SCar
Clemson beat SCar
BYU beat Arkansas
The SEC’s two best OOC wins are Mizzou over KSt in OT in Columbia and UK beating Louisville.
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If Bama and FSU win it should be:
UW
Michigan (assuming they win)
Texas
FSU
If Bama and UL win it should be:
UW
Michigan
Bama
Texas
UGA shouldn’t get special consideration because they are the two time defending NC. Their OOC this year isn’t impressive and their overall resume is good, not great. And this isn’t your typical SEC.
The SEC has lost the majority of its notable OOC games.
Utah beat UF
FSU beat UF
FSU beat LSU
Texas beat Bama
UNC beat SCar
Clemson beat SCar
BYU beat Arkansas
The SEC’s two best OOC wins are Mizzou over KSt in OT in Columbia and UK beating Louisville.
Totally agree. But- I think that’s what WILL happen if Bama wins.
If Bama loses, FSU controls their destiny. Win and your in, lose and Texas is in.
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Bama can't be left out if they win the SEC. Texas has the same record and beat Bama at Bama, can't leave them out in favor of Bama. I really have no idea.
Georgia and FL ST go have a seat,Jordon Travis just wasn't a game manger,I guess computer SoS. L'Ville lost to 3-9 Pitt & 7-5 wildcats, so not a real good measurement
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I think Texas may want to lube up if Bama wins.
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OMG
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Georgia and FL ST go have a seat,Jordon Travis just wasn't a game manger,I guess computer SoS. L'Ville lost to 3-9 Pitt & 7-5 wildcats, so not a real good measurement
Glad they didn't ding us for losing our QB in 2014
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Glad they didn't ding us for losing our QB in 2014
Didn't the Noles back up get banged up?
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Didn't the Noles back up get banged up?
Think he has a concussion, not definitely out of the playoffs
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Glad they didn't ding us for losing our QB in 2014
Well they give us a look in the conference championship game to see how we looked.
That could happen again tonight. ( but we had an early season loss to VT). FSU, as an undefeated conf champ is in.
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Glad they didn't ding us for losing our QB in 2014
You guys won 59-10 or something like that. I’ve always wondered what the committee would have done if Ohio St won 13-10 and Jones looked bad.
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Danielson doing his best to highlight for the committee McConkey and Bowers are banged up. Lol. Poor Georgia
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Nessler can't see too well. Getting bailed out too much by Gary.
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OMG that shovel pass what a gamer Milroe is
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This game is very similar to OSU-UM
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This game is very similar to OSU-UM
I was thinking the same a long time ago.
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Uga w 3 or 0 timeouts?
#shitty graphics.
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Uga w 3 or 0 timeouts?
#shitty graphics.
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Big ten tickets in nose dive mode, especially upstairs.
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Committee about to be rooting real hard for Iowa and Louisville tonight
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Nick Saban doing the same thing Mario Cristobal got crucified for
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Why are you running
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LOL they put up a graphic of contenders and it was Georgia, Alabama, and Texas for the last spot. Good troll, CBS
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Well, Nebraska remains the last team w consecutive undefeated championship seasons.
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BTW, goddamn Saban. Alabama looked like garbage when the season started, here they are possibly winning another national championship
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Right now the committee praying for FSU to lose. Then Texas and Bama get in.
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I'm thinking the Hawkeyes in an upset unless UM puts up 7
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I'm thinking the Hawkeyes in an upset unless UM puts up 7
Michigan 31-Iowa 2.
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Right now the committee praying for FSU to lose. Then Texas and Bama get in.
Hmm. I’m not as confident.
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Well Bama has won so the Horns are effectively Big 12 & SEC Champions - so they're in
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Would a close loss to Iowa be viewed differently than a blowout loss to Iowa, in the Big Ten CCG?
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Danielson just came out and said “the SEC champ is in as far as I am concerned, and somebody else is going to get short-circuited“
We will see. If FSU wins there would be a crime to put Bama ahead of Texas.
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There hasn't been a bigger suck off in the sports broadcast history than Gary Danielson.Ya Gus and Joel are nauseating but Gary has his head so far up Saban's backside a team of kentucky coal miners are needed to find it
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Michigan feels like the biggest loser right now. There's a decent chance that they go to #1 and play Alabama.
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Michigan feels like the biggest loser right now. There's a decent chance that they go to #1 and play Alabama.
Michigan doesn’t need to be afraid of any team left.
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Michigan doesn’t need to be afraid of any team left.
UM's last 4 games vs SEC opp:
2021 - LOSS to UGA 34-11
2020 - LOSS to ALA 35-16
2018 - LOSS to FLA 41-15
2018 - LOSS to USCe 26-19
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Florida State is not a top 4 team w/o Jordan Travis.
If you don't think that's fair, I'm sorry someone suggested to you that life is fair.
If Travis never got hurt, FSU wins and they're in. Case closed.
But he's out, so they are a different, compromised team.
Sorry/not sorry.
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I posted sumptin similar,yes and the back up is banged up also.But who knows they may have a "12 GUAGE"
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Michigan feels like the biggest loser right now. There's a decent chance that they go to #1 and play Alabama.
Agreed. I wouldn’t mind seeing Washington jump to #1
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UM's last 4 games vs SEC opp:
2021 - LOSS to UGA 34-11
2020 - LOSS to ALA 35-16
2018 - LOSS to FLA 41-15
2018 - LOSS to USCe 26-19
All true. This Michigan team is the best one they have had. It has nothing to do with past seasons.
SEC is the least impressive they have been in many years.
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Florida State is not a top 4 team w/o Jordan Travis.
If you don't think that's fair, I'm sorry someone suggested to you that life is fair.
If Travis never got hurt, FSU wins and they're in. Case closed.
But he's out, so they are a different, compromised team.
Sorry/not sorry.
You may be right. My suspicion is you are.
But if they find a way to win tonight - the committee would have to break every rule, and precedent they have ever set by keeping an undefeated conference championship out of the playoffs and favor of someone else. I would be surprised, but also very disappointed if they did that.
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Florida State is not a top 4 team w/o Jordan Travis.
If you don't think that's fair, I'm sorry someone suggested to you that life is fair.
If Travis never got hurt, FSU wins and they're in. Case closed.
But he's out, so they are a different, compromised team.
Sorry/not sorry.
I mean, based on Stanley bucks, sure. Based on play on the field, it's against everything sports is supposed to be. Results on the field getting trumped by Super Cool Mystery Points is why "the committee" should be shot into the sun.
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You can’t keep FSU out if they win. If you do you are just saying results don’t matter. It’s all what you think/believe.
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Michigan up 3-0. Ballgame.
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Well that's a wrap see ya all next week end
Dammit Sam 28 seconds
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You guys won 59-10 or something like that. I’ve always wondered what the committee would have done if Ohio St won 13-10 and Jones looked bad.
OSU kind of solved the gordian knot of the Big 12. TCU couldn't go ahead of Baylor. And Baylor had played jack no one in the non-conference, which was seen as quite bad.
Buckeyes were a very good team with a good brand. No doubt 59-0 made it easier to push through.
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Florida State is not a top 4 team w/o Jordan Travis.
If you don't think that's fair, I'm sorry someone suggested to you that life is fair.
If Travis never got hurt, FSU wins and they're in. Case closed.
But he's out, so they are a different, compromised team.
Sorry/not sorry.
Life's not gonna be fair for someone. But it probably won't be undefeated FSU.
Of course, I don't think FSU is gonna win. If they do, hot under the collar time for Bama.
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How does the ref miss that clip/tackle on the return?
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UM's last 4 games vs SEC opp:
2021 - LOSS to UGA 34-11
2020 - LOSS to ALA 35-16
2018 - LOSS to FLA 41-15
2018 - LOSS to USCe 26-19
Fortunately, by stuff you've told us, only one of those counts.
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Columbus Crew come back from 2-0 to defeat hated FC Cincinnati 3-2 and go to the MLS Final
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Columbus Crew come back from 2-0 to defeat hated FC Cincinnati 3-2 and go to the MLS Final
Took my son to a Crew game this summer. He likes soccer. I don’t. But I really enjoyed it. Fun time for both of us.
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10-0? Without a defensive score I don't see how Iowa evens this up.
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10-0? Without a defensive score I don't see how Iowa evens this up.
I sent a text that JJ doesn't have two pick sixes in him.
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Someone tell me FSU is a top 4 team.
Tell me they're a top 10 team.
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Hell, I can make the argument that allowing FSU in isn't fair to the 2 playoff teams that don't play the Noles in the 1st round. Whoever draws FSU gets a layup victory in the semifinal, while the other two WORTHY teams duke it out in a big-boy game.
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While unfortunate, FSU does not belong anywhere near the playoff. This is not the team that became an undefeated conference champ. It's a shell of it.
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Most of you need to stop dealing in absolutes and open your eyes.
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First 20 min in Charlotte:
60 combined total yards
combined 0-10 on 3rd downs
Garbage. It's like Iowa vs Iowa.
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Someone tell me FSU is a top 4 team.
Tell me they're a top 10 team.
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Hell, I can make the argument that allowing FSU in isn't fair to the 2 playoff teams that don't play the Noles in the 1st round. Whoever draws FSU gets a layup victory in the semifinal, while the other two WORTHY teams duke it out in a big-boy game.
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While unfortunate, FSU does not belong anywhere near the playoff. This is not the team that became an undefeated conference champ. It's a shell of it.
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Most of you need to stop dealing in absolutes and open your eyes.
If FSU wins they are a top four team. Anything less and you are saying the games don't count, it's some sort of other thing. Go ahead, tell me the games don't matter and we need to look at recruiting rankings and whatever when determining the playoff field. Just don't go on about how important the games are and then say they don't matter.
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Iowa total 1st half bet was .5
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If FSU wins they are a top four team. Anything less and you are saying the games don't count, it's some sort of other thing. Go ahead, tell me the games don't matter and we need to look at recruiting rankings and whatever when determining the playoff field. Just don't go on about how important the games are and then say they don't matter.
Pretending the FSU that went 9-0 is the same one that may go 3-0 is fantasyland. Lie to yourself all you want. The games DO matter, and I'm watching them, and FSU sucks now. They didn't suck for 12 games, but they suck now.
btw, it has literally NOTHING to do with recruiting rankings. Not sure why you and others conjure that in this discussion.
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Michigan doing the Iowa to Iowa
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Someone tell me FSU is a top 4 team.
Tell me they're a top 10 team.
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Hell, I can make the argument that allowing FSU in isn't fair to the 2 playoff teams that don't play the Noles in the 1st round. Whoever draws FSU gets a layup victory in the semifinal, while the other two WORTHY teams duke it out in a big-boy game.
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While unfortunate, FSU does not belong anywhere near the playoff. This is not the team that became an undefeated conference champ. It's a shell of it.
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Most of you need to stop dealing in absolutes and open your eyes.
That's nice.
Probably won't matter.
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Pretending the FSU that went 9-0 is the same one that may go 3-0 is fantasyland. Lie to yourself all you want. The games DO matter, and I'm watching them, and FSU sucks now. They didn't suck for 12 games, but they suck now.
btw, it has literally NOTHING to do with recruiting rankings. Not sure why you and others conjure that in this discussion.
If they suck, then slot them fourth and give a gift to the top ranked team. But doing the Carnac the Magnificent is no way to put up a playoff field.
"PLAYOFF CRITERIA: Win all your games and you will be considered, unless we don't like the look of you."
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Also, we already have 5 worthy teams for 4 slots, without FSU.
UM, UW, UGA, ALA, and UTA.
Any 4 from that group works. None of them is the layup FSU would be.
Why do so many people want a gunslinger missing a hand in a duel? It's morbid.
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If they suck, then slot them fourth and give a gift to the top ranked team. But doing the Carnac the Magnificent is no way to put up a playoff field.
"PLAYOFF CRITERIA: Win all your games and you will be considered, unless we don't like the look of you."
So your answer is "put the sucky team in."
Brilliant.
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Also, we already have 5 worthy teams for 4 slots, without FSU.
UM, UW, UGA, ALA, and UTA.
Any 4 from that group works. None of them is the layup FSU would be.
Why do so many people want a gunslinger missing a hand in a duel? It's morbid.
Pick the four best. Michigan, Georgia, OSU, and Oregon. Anything less and you are lying to yourself.
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This game not leaving me impressed by michigan thus far
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Pick the four best. Michigan, Georgia, OSU, and Oregon. Anything less and you are lying to yourself.
Your nonsense doesn't work in your favor.
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Your nonsense doesn't work in your favor.
Yeah, but my nonsense is based in fact. Those are the four best teams on SP+, which is an actual objective metric. What you want is objectivity when it favors you, and subjectivity when it favors you. You have no actual guidelines, just whatever you think at the time. Which is, at least, how we pick the playoff field, at least for this last year.
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FSU's defense is about as good as Iowa's; plus they have offensive players, Iowa doesn't. Easily a Top 10 team. They are undefeated. Rodemaker will be available for playoffs. Top 4 team for playoffs, if FSU wins tonight.
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Remember- FSU you see now is not the team you would see in the playoffs.
The defense is, and they look superb.
The offense would be their 2nd string QB who had already shown he can lead them to a high point output.
No undefeated conf champ has ever been left out. If you do that now you really are saying the outcomes don’t count.
Besides that, nobody can agree on who the best 4 teams are. It’s totally subjective.
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Yeah, but my nonsense is based in fact. Those are the four best teams on SP+, which is an actual objective metric. What you want is objectivity when it favors you, and subjectivity when it favors you. You have no actual guidelines, just whatever you think at the time. Which is, at least, how we pick the playoff field, at least for this last year.
Why is pretending the current FSU team is the same one as a month ago a good idea?
Why is denying truth good?
If you're the loudest voice of dissention, I'm more confident in my opinion.
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Pretending the FSU that went 9-0 is the same one that may go 3-0 is fantasyland. Lie to yourself all you want. The games DO matter, and I'm watching them, and FSU sucks now. They didn't suck for 12 games, but they suck now.
btw, it has literally NOTHING to do with recruiting rankings. Not sure why you and others conjure that in this discussion.
In a month FSU’s second string QB will be back, not the 3rd string. Results have to trump what any of us think. I thought UGA would beat Bama. I was wrong. No, I don’t think FSU with its 2nd string QB is one of the 4 best teams in the country, but a 13-0 ACC champion deserves to be in the playoffs.
Results matter more than what we think.
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Remember- FSU you see now is not the team you would see in the playoffs.
The defense is, and they look superb.
The offense would be their 2nd string QB who had already shown he can lead them to a high point output.
No undefeated conf champ has ever been left out. If you do that now you really are saying the outcomes don’t count.
Besides that, nobody can agree on who the best 4 teams are. It’s totally subjective.
I'll never understand this argument for anything.
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1st Half...
21 punts
321 total yards
B1G and ACC games combined
I love a defense dominated game, but if Michigan doesn't have the punt return.....
Is Corum getting the normal amount of regular snaps?
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Why is pretending the current FSU team is the same one as a month ago a good idea?
Why is denying truth good?
If you're the loudest voice of dissention, I'm more confident in my opinion.
Why do you think it's your job to pretend when the results are right there on the field?
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Oregon so good they lost to Washington twice!
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This argument will stay so circular.
OAM will hammer the point that the world should be a certain way. He will argue as if any other outlook is blasphemy.
How do you spell point out more conventional logic and he will roll his eyes and rage against it. And it’ll end with whatever happens.
My gut is the folks that decide this won’t have the guts to do something that dramatic. Maybe they will. They’ve basically never done something daring, but maybe this time.
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OAM, how do we sponsor you to be a CFP Committee member? You'd clearly bring a... unique... perspective. Maybe your Whoa Nellie experience is enough to get into "the room where it happened"?
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Actually, no.
From the CFP's own website:
(https://i.imgur.com/pVyN7NI.jpg)
This is absolutely NOT a case of OAM raging and being crazy. I'm simply going by WHAT THE COMMITTEE says their job is.
PLEASE tell me how I'm wrong now. This is called evidence. Please, please, get creative and sweep THIS under the rug.
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See above.
Nothing more need be said.
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Actually, no.
From the CFP's own website:
(https://i.imgur.com/pVyN7NI.jpg)
This is absolutely NOT a case of OAM raging and being crazy. I'm simply going by WHAT THE COMMITTEE says their job is.
PLEASE tell me how I'm wrong now. This is called evidence. Please, please, get creative and sweep THIS under the rug.
TCU wasn’t one of the four best teams last season, but they earned it based on results and surprised everyone by beating Michigan. FSU without its starting QB isn’t one of the best 4 but will have earned it with a 13-0 record.
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Based on the results on the field so far this season- if FSU managed to win this game- I don’t know how you could conclude they are NOT one of the 4 best teams.
They are shutting out a really good offense. And with a month of bowl practice the better ( Highly recruited 2nd string) QB, it appears that they could be competitive with the other contenders.
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Neither winner of the Dr Pepper contest winning a $100,000 scholarship seemed excited at all.
That is creepy.
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See above.
Nothing more need be said.
LOL. Well at least you linked to the part that says Texas needs to be in over Alabama
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OAM, do you think it’s possible that you really can’t be objective about a school that is one of your major rivals ? If FSU wins, they should get in.
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It would be one thing if it were sleeting at one of these games.....
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I'm through with the topic. If the CFP's own website doesn't convince you, then I won't, either.
Let FSU in.
Watch them be someone's prison girlfriend.
Sadists.
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Wut
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I'm through with the topic. If the CFP's own website doesn't convince you, then I won't, either.
Let FSU in.
Watch them be someone's prison girlfriend.
Sadists.
Well, at least the regular season would matter. I've heard some people say that is important.
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I'm through with the topic. If the CFP's own website doesn't convince you, then I won't, either.
Let FSU in.
Watch them be someone's prison girlfriend.
Sadists.
I’ve watched many blowouts of teams that deserved to be in the playoffs. FSU won’t be any different.
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Giving up... more commercials than football and I'm sleepy
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It’s still just a bunch of peoples opinions. ND and Ohio St got in over A&M in 2020 and got made Bamas prison girlfriend.
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West is what 0-10 and outscored by 100s?
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What I would do:
Michigan
U Dub
FSU
Texas
What I predict:
Michigan
U Dub
Bama
UGA
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FSU to win the ACC. 13-0, they’ve got to be in the playoff. Hell, they’re defense alone should make them a contender.
Washington is in.
Michigan is in.
What a helluva thing with crazy timing that Bama is SEC champion, but lost to Texas. I honestly cannot envision a world where either Bama or Ga get in, even though I’d give either team a 90% chance of winning the whole thing.
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I predict
Mich, uw, fsu and Bama.
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I predict
Mich, uw, fsu and Bama.
That would be criminal. Texas beat Bama. Nuff said.
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What I predict:
Michigan
U Dub
Bama
UGA
There’s absolutely no way two sec teams make it.
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If only there was some kind of deciding factor for the whole Bama Texas problem. What could there possibly be between these teams that would help us determine which one is better?
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I'm making predictions. Not issuing an opinion.
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Fsu qb w his best Jay barker impression.
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I predict
Michigan
Washington
Florida State
Texas.
In other words- following precedent and rewarding actual results- and Not creating subjective narratives.
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This will be the most controversial decision the committee has ever made, imo.
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This will be the most controversial decision the committee has ever made, imo.
I am sure you’re right.
ironically, I feel like this is the easiest year. You have three power, five conference champions, who are undefeated. They are in whatever order you want to rank them.
then you have two very good one loss conference, champions, and the controversy should be nonexistent since they have a head to head results that you can go to. Seems easy.
No factual arguments against it. Only narratives that are subjective
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Chris falica works at fox now?
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I am sure you’re right.
ironically, I feel like this is the easiest year. You have three power, five conference champions, who are undefeated. They are in whatever order you want to rank them.
then you have two very good one loss conference, champions, and the controversy should be nonexistent since they have a head to head results that you can go to. Seems easy.
No factual arguments against it. Only narratives that are subjective
I saw thiss just now. Jerry Palm on CBS:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/bowl-projections-texas-gets-college-football-playoff-bid-over-alabama-with-michigan-moving-to-no-1/
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I predict
Michigan
Washington
Florida State
Texas.
In other words- following precedent and rewarding actual results- and Not creating subjective narratives.
this is what i think happens too.
if bama gets in, it'll be over fsu, not texas. bama has a lot of good things going for it, but undefeated p5 champs is pretty damn strong, even if they have looked like garbage last couple weeks.
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I predict
Michigan
Washington
Florida State
Texas.
In other words- following precedent and rewarding actual results- and Not creating subjective narratives.
I agree with this. I don't see how Alabama should get in ahead of Texas when they lost head-to-head to Texas, and the ACC champion is undefeated.
FSU's defense looked a lot like Michigan's and Iowa's, holding Louisville to 188-yards offense. Rodemaker's return will right the ship, somewhat, and FSU will present a bigger problem for Michigan, than Iowa. That said, Michigan will be the #1 seed, and should be expected to prevail.
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One touchdown in the Big Ten Championship Game wasn't the end of the world this year, although it was the end of the game, at the time.
I reviewed the replay a few more times later. Iowa got jobbed on the Deacon Hill forward pass that was ruled a fumble. The Michigan defender hit the ball on the front of the ball, and nevertheless the ball traveled forward, even though Deacon Hill didn't bat it forward after it was hit. It was an incomplete pass.
Whatever happened to clear and convincing evidence required to reverse? The replay showed clear and convincing evidence to not reverse.
The Big Ten needs new replay reviewers. The other time this happened this year resulted in an illicit Minnesota win over Iowa. No one in the stadium in real time, or elsewhere, thought otherwise. It was simply bull$hit, as was this one. Tonight a replay official decided to end a competitive game, prematurely. Why?
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https://twitter.com/CFBRep/status/1731183412470284327?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1731183412470284327%7Ctwgr%5E1290da9ae45157ffaef6f5e3054964cf5eaf9335%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fcollege%2Fohio-state%2Fboard%2F120%2FContents%2Fheather-dinich-playoff-prediction-222135994%2F%3Fpage%3D1
I suppose if they are going to embarrass themselves and break 10 years of precedence, they might as well go big.
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Oregon so good they lost to Washington twice!
Well 3X in the last two seasons and all by 3 pts but whose counting.
Picked a hell of a night to nod off & miss a good row about playoff placement. While no Power Five team has ever gone unbeaten, won its conference title and failed to make the playoff. I'd be willing to bet a substantial amount the 'Noles w/o Jordan Travis wouldn't beat the Huskies,Walvies, Horns or Tide. It would set a precedent to keep them out.The only other valid argument is L'ville is the only other ACC team in the top 15,so SoS factoring in.Back in 2014 when tOSU went thru 3 starting QBs many were clamoring for 11-1 Baylor to get in over them. But Sparty upended them 42-41 in the Cotton Bowl and tOSU beat MSU by 12pts during the the season,so chaos and a slippery slope. BUT.....
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I predict
Michigan
Washington
Florida State
Texas.
Well since The Horns took care of business in T-Town why should Bama get a do over?
(https://media.tenor.com/images/e4ae71099eeeccdaaf1495af637ac4c7/tenor.gif)
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I saw thiss just now. Jerry Palm on CBS:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/bowl-projections-texas-gets-college-football-playoff-bid-over-alabama-with-michigan-moving-to-no-1/
The SEC has sent at least one team to every playoff since the event's inception; however that is trivia, not criteria.
I like it
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1. Washington
2. Michigan
3. Texas
4. Alabama
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5. Georgia
6. Ohio State
7. Florida State
8. Penn State
9. Oregon
10. Ole Miss
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I'm through with the topic. If the CFP's own website doesn't convince you, then I won't, either.
Let FSU in.
Well, at least the regular season would matter. I've heard some people say that is important.
DOWN goes Frazier,DOWN goes Frazier
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Orange: Ohio State vs. Florida State
Peach: Penn State vs. Georgia
Cotton: Oklahoma vs. Ole Miss
Fiesta: Oregon vs. Liberty
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Well that wouldn't be fair tOSU doesn't have a QB either
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Man, all I can say is, no Texas fan can take a conference championship for granted. That was a really important win and an important honor for the team. At the beginning of the season I thought the Horns were more of a 9-3 type team, and there were a couple of games that Texas barely squeaked out, else it could have been a 9-3 season. But this team game together with grit and determination in a way that I haven't seen from a Longhorn squad since 2009. It was a hell of a fun season to be a Longhorn fan.
I'm delighted with the conference championship, and consider anything else this season to be icing on the cake. It would be painful to be so close to making the CFP and then not get in, but that's out of the team's hands. They've now done everything they can, on the field, and we'll just have to see what happens.
Yesterday's blowout win over an Oklahoma State team that has owned us for the past decade+, was enjoyable and more than a little cathartic. It's a nice way to move on to the next chapter.
Hook 'em Horns!
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Texas over Michigan in the Rose (sounds familiar, minus VY)
Bama over Washington in the Sugar
Bama over Texas in Houston.
It's what Bama does.
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Texas over Michigan in the Rose (sounds familiar, minus VY)
Bama over Washington in the Sugar
Bama over Texas in Houston.
It's what Bama does.
That would be a heck of a series of games.
Do they announce the CFP and bowls today, or is that later in the week? It's been so long since it mattered to Texas, I really have no idea how this works anymore.
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I think it's today.
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Yesterday's blowout win over an Oklahoma State team that has owned us for the past decade+, was enjoyable and more than a little cathartic.
So equivalent to bowel purging?Austin is indeed weird
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uhhhhhhhhh
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1. Washington
2. Michigan
3. Texas
4. Alabama
I don’t know how you justify Bama over FSU with facts or results.
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I don’t know how you justify Bama over FSU with facts or results.
The only fact is that FSU is not what it was a month ago. They struggled last night and against UF last week.
Not fact:
I think Bama is playing as well as anyone right now.
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Not sure if anyone saw this,hopefully they picked up that carcass and didn't kill it for the shock value
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The only fact is that FSU is not what it was a month ago. They struggled last night and against UF last week.
Not fact:
I think Bama is playing as well as anyone right now.
Though Bama did struggle with Auburn way more than FSU struggled with anybody
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Found this on another site "How fitting would it be for former Ohio State commit Brock Glenn to send the 'Noles to the CFP tomorrow night."
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The only fact is that FSU is not what it was a month ago. They struggled last night and against UF last week.
Not fact:
I think Bama is playing as well as anyone right now.
FSU beat a top 15 team with their 3rd string QB.
They kept a team that averages over 30 a game to 2 field goals. They beat 3 top 15 teams including an SEC team. They are undefeated and conference champs.
Bama was purely lucky to win one game ago v Auburn.
If we’re going to get subjective and use a beauty contest, then we need to go all the way.
all the one loss teams who has the best loss?
Thats easy. Ohio State. List a close game on the road to the number 2 team.
by no means in my advocating for Ohio State. Far from it. Just illustrating that if you’re going to get subjective for some people, but use results for other people, your argument falls apart.
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The only fact is that FSU is not what it was a month ago. They struggled last night and against UF last week.
Not fact:
I think Bama is playing as well as anyone right now.
I would also add that Alabama “ struggled” more last week with their rival than FSU did against their rival - and that was with their 2nd and 3rd string QB.
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One way to do it is consider who would be favored against whom. I suspect UGA and Michigan would be close to even on a neutral field, both would be favored over anyone else. The next two in might be Bama and Ohio State, but Texas could be favored or close to it as well.
This isn't what will happen of course, and it's not the methodology, and I'm not suggesting it should happen. It's just a way.
I kinda hope it ends up, realistically, UM UDubb FSU and Texas.
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Someone pointed this out and it got me thinking. Let’s say Florida State gets sent to the Orange bowl. And let’s say they went out with a backup QB.
You’re gonna have a CFP champion and a 14-0 team. Is that something the arbiters of the sport risk?
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One way to do it is consider who would be favored against whom. I suspect UGA and Michigan would be close to even on a neutral field, both would be favored over anyone else. The next two in might be Bama and Ohio State UW, but Texas could be favored or close to it as well.
FIFY
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One way to do it is consider who would be favored against whom. I suspect UGA and Michigan would be close to even on a neutral field, both would be favored over anyone else. The next two in might be Bama and Ohio State, but Texas could be favored or close to it as well.
This isn't what will happen of course, and it's not the methodology, and I'm not suggesting it should happen. It's just a way.
I kinda hope it ends up, realistically, UM UDubb FSU and Texas.
Who is favored is so completely irrelevant- in fact is the absolute worst way to do it.
Oregon was favored over Washington. Should they just skip the game and let Vegas pick the winner? Georgia was favored over Bama.
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I just want to see the SEC excluded.
Not based on any actual rational argument.
It would just be fun to watch that conference lose their collective sh!t.
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Well Texas>Bama>Dawgs and FSU undefeated
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I would also add that Alabama “ struggled” more last week with their rival than FSU did against their rival - and that was with their 2nd and 3rd string QB.
UF also had no QB. Mertz is out. UF finished 5-7 - no bowl.
Plus - The Iron Bowl. It just means more. ;)
Auburn will be in the Music City Bowl, most likely.
If OSU goes to the Orange, UW goes to Nashville. If OSU goes anywhere else, UW goes to Tampa to take on LSU.
We'll find out today. Gonna be really interesting.
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I just want to see the SEC excluded.
Not based on any actual rational argument.
It would just be fun to watch that conference lose their collective sh!t.
I don't think the committee has the balls to do it.
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I don't think the committee has the balls to do it.
You may be right.
Like I said yesterday- this should be the easiest assignment. This committee has had over the course of these playoff years.
you have never had three undefeated conference champions before and this year you do so there’s your first three.
then you have 12-1 conference champions, but the problem is solved because they played each other and the team that won on the road is the obvious choice
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Michigan would make FSU look really bad. I mean, REALLY bad.
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Michigan would make FSU look really bad. I mean, REALLY bad.
Are you sure?
that FSU defense is legit as they showed last night.
the quarterback that would be playing for FSU is a highly recruited stud and he would have a month of Bowl practices and first team reps. I think it would be a very close game
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Michigan would make FSU look really bad. I mean, REALLY bad.
Iowa made Michigan look pretty pedestrian last night. Now imagine Iowa with a breathing, living offense, with a stud running back, and a stud wide receiver.
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The Big Ten needs new replay reviewers. The other time this happened this year resulted in an illicit Minnesota win over Iowa. No one in the stadium in real time, or elsewhere, thought otherwise. It was simply bull$hit, as was this one. Tonight a replay official decided to end a competitive game, prematurely. Why?
It's not bullshit if it's clearly written in the rule book. And the review resulted in the correct call.
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1. Washington
2. Michigan
3. Texas
4. Alabama
Washington is not jumping Michigan, get real.
Alabama is out. Should've beat Texas at home. Couldn't do it. They're not leaving out an undefeated P5 conference champ Florida State who smoked LSU OOC.
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Texas over Michigan in the Rose (sounds familiar, minus VY)
Bama over Washington in the Sugar
Bama over Texas in Houston.
It's what Bama does.
you've been picking against Michigan all season and you've been dead wrong. hopefully the trend continues.
My guess is Michigan won't face Texas round 1, they'll face FSU. We'll find out in a couple hours.
Bama is out. Couldn't beat Texas at home at night. Sucks to suck. FSU is in.
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Are you sure?
that FSU defense is legit as they showed last night.
the quarterback that would be playing for FSU is a highly recruited stud and he would have a month of Bowl practices and first team reps. I think it would be a very close game
This is the corner you've painted yourself into.
Talking up Louisville and FSU's backup QB.
Clown.
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Iowa made Michigan look pretty pedestrian last night. Now imagine Iowa with a breathing, living offense, with a stud running back, and a stud wide receiver.
If covering and winning 26-0 is pedestrian, I'll take it. Not sure Michigan was really going full throttle to be honest- as they didn't have to and could still win by almost 4 TD's. They were without their best player on defense, OL was going through it as well with the starting center banged up, best player on OL in Zinter lost for the season and the OL going through a lineup shake up.
Will Johnson will be back in time for the playoff and I'm sure they'll get the OL figured out between now and then as well.
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you've been picking against Michigan all season and you've been dead wrong. hopefully the trend continues.
My guess is Michigan won't face Texas round 1, they'll face FSU. We'll find out in a couple hours.
Bama is out. Couldn't beat Texas at home at night. Sucks to suck. FSU is in.
The only time I was dead wrong was last weekend, when I picked Ohio State. Every other week I picked Michigan.
Check the pick'em game.
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Michigan would make FSU look really bad. I mean, REALLY bad.
kinda like they would make TCU look really bad, right? Ooops.
Jeem ain't the best at getting his teams ready to play when it comes to the post-season, if you haven't noticed by now.....
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This is the corner you've painted yourself into.
Talking up Louisville and FSU's backup QB.
Clown.
Never talked to Louisville other than to say they are a top 15 team going into last night, which is just a fact.
I have my opinion, and you may agree or disagree, but there’s no need for name-calling
this is why people dread seeing you post sometimes. You just can’t do it without attacking.
a word of friendly advice : stop being a big fat dick
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Washington is not jumping Michigan, get real.
Alabama is out. Should've beat Texas at home. Couldn't do it. They're not leaving out an undefeated P5 conference champ Florida State who smoked LSU OOC.
In my mind? No, they will not, and should not.
I'm playing committee here, my friend, which is the land of make believe.
The Rose Bowl wants Michigan, badly. They wanted Washington to pair, but that's impossible since Georgia lost. The Rose will be absolutely tickled to have Michigan-Texas.
This shit plays a part with the committee, if you've paid attention over the years.
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You may be right.
Like I said yesterday- this should be the easiest assignment. This committee has had over the course of these playoff years.
you have never had three undefeated conference champions before and this year you do so there’s your first three.
then you have 12-1 conference champions, but the problem is solved because they played each other and the team that won on the road is the obvious choice
it would be VERY easy if Texas didn't have head to head over Bama
that will make it difficult for the committee to keep Texas out, but they are NOT excluding the SEC.
We all know this.
So, the Longhorns are out.
or maybe FSU is out
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Michigan looked pedestrian?
Their defense has been their dominant force this season and they allowed zero points and 155 yards.
JJ has also been clearly struggling with his injury, which is why he’s not overly mobile and wearing a giant leg brace during the game. He has a month to get healthy now. If Michigan’s offense needed to do more, they probably would have. They weren’t going for 4th and shorts last night and giving their kicker reps, whereas games they knew they needed the offense, they kept the offense in the field.
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In my mind? No, they will not, and should not.
I'm playing committee here, my friend, which is the land of make believe.
The Rose Bowl wants Michigan, badly. They wanted Washington to pair, but that's impossible since Georgia lost. The Rose will be absolutely tickled to have Michigan-Texas.
This shit plays a part with the committee, if you've paid attention over the years.
Good point. The committee is famous for doing just that. Manufacturing a narrative to creat the matchup and location they want.
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kinda like they would make TCU look really bad, right? Ooops.
Jeem ain't the best at getting his teams ready to play when it comes to the post-season, if you haven't noticed by now.....
Booger has the best set of coordinators he's ever had, and they have had over a year since that TCU cluster. This is his best overall staff, for that matter, and it's not close.
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I don't know what we're arguing here.
FSU is an undefeated P5 conference champ who actually scheduled legit OOC game and happened to absolutely SMOKE the SEC! SEC! SEC! team they played. An undefeated P5 conference champ has never been left out of the playoff. There is precedent for letting a team in who lost it's starting QB- the very first damn playoff in 2014. Ohio State lost JT Barrett and wound up getting in and winning the whole damn thing.
FSU has to be in, period. Would be absolute fcking bullshit if they were to be left out and results on the field didn't matter.
UGA should've won in the SEC CG in ATLANTA- basically a fcking home game for them. They couldn't. They are out. BAMA should've beaten Texas AT HOME AT NIGHT. They couldn't. They are out, therefore Texas is the first one loss team in.
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So, the Longhorns are out.
WRONG - pot stirring poltroon
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I don't think the committee has the balls to do it.
No brains AND no balls?
Ouch.
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WRONG - pot stirring poltroon
I'll bet the first two beers at the bar in Nashville
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Michigan looked pedestrian?
Their defense has been their dominant force this season and they allowed zero points and 155 yards.
JJ has also been clearly struggling with his injury, which is why he’s not overly mobile and wearing a giant leg brace during the game. He has a month to get healthy now. If Michigan’s offense needed to do more, they probably would have. They weren’t going for 4th and shorts last night and giving their kicker reps, whereas games they knew they needed the offense, they kept the offense in the field.
Michigan didn’t need more than a field goal to win, as everyone knew going in.
Michigan looking pedestrian is not an insult. They often do look pedestrian- while choking out every opponent. They don’t need to look explosive. That’s why, in my opinion, they are the best team.
I would easily take UM over FSU. But FSU would likely hand for a while. But I would predict that same outcome against any of the other teams in the mix.
My point is- FSU wouldn’t fare any worse.
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No brains AND no balls?
Ouch.
yes, they count number of losses (no Brains)
then they include the SEC (no Balls)
Michigan
Washington
Bama
FSU
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UGA should've won in the SEC CG in ATLANTA- basically a fcking home game for them. They couldn't. They are out. BAMA should've beaten Texas AT HOME AT NIGHT. They couldn't. They are out, therefore Texas is the first one loss team in.
ED Zachery my humble Michigan correspondent.Pretty freakin' simple,so we've agreed on one thing thing this past season.....baby steps.Oh and you get a Yuengling
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Hope Jeem said....
"SUCK IT, TONY PEE PEE BOY"
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Never talked to Louisville other than to say they are a top 15 team going into last night, which is just a fact.
This is just a demonstrable lie.
You keep talking about how highly-ranked they are and how good their offense is. Ignoring they lost to 3-9 Pitt and almost lost to 3-9 UVA and 3-9 Indiana.
Oh, and they lost to FSU's 3rd-string QB. And they're not going to be ranked in the top 15 anymore. Of course.
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And I'll name-call a duck when I see a duck.
In the meantime, take it up with your invisible sky daddy.
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Michigan looked pedestrian? YES, w/o a couple turnovers and a punt return it's a damn close game
Their defense has been their dominant force this season and they allowed zero points and 155 yards. - This was Brian's offense. Those numbers are far off his season averages
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I'll bet the first two beers at the bar in Nashville
Money's tight,
times are hard,
here's youre fargin'Christmas Card
:a035:
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https://twitter.com/benjaminwolk/status/1731192016275394671?s=20
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Since FSU with its backup QB is basically Iowa, the CFP should be:
Warshington
Michigan
FSU
Iowa......Iowa 4, so not semifinal rematch (see how dumb that sounds?!? a la last year)
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And I'll name-call a duck when I see a duck.
In the meantime, take it up with your invisible sky daddy.
And you take it up with your 300mg of Thorazine
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Since FSU with its backup QB is basically Iowa, the CFP should be:
Warshington
Michigan
FSU
Iowa......Iowa 4, so not semifinal rematch (see how dumb that sounds?!? a la last year)
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(https://external-preview.redd.it/1G3hGhhmpjRrrdMajk2EX3jSWBTbRivkxWVSjpMApfM.jpg?auto=webp&s=157499bbe3c6c50cd777031c87367ea2eb8e1ce2)
BAMA SOOOOO GOOOD....SeC....DeRPPP...DerPPP....
https://twitter.com/benjaminwolk/status/1731192016275394671?s=20
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This is just a demonstrable lie.
You keep talking about how highly-ranked they are and how good their offense is. Ignoring they lost to 3-9 Pitt and almost lost to 3-9 UVA and 3-9 Indiana.
Oh, and they lost to FSU's 3rd-string QB. And they're not going to be ranked in the top 15 anymore. Of course.
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And I'll name-call a duck when I see a duck.
In the meantime, take it up with your invisible sky daddy.
You struggle with facts and comprehension.
I stated that Louisville was the top 15 team. Fact!
I stated that Florida State held them to six points which is well below 30+ points a game average. Fact!
You should learn a lesson about calling people names. it is very unbecoming, and not very polite. You need to learn to have a conversation without doing that because it makes you look like an incredible idiot. And here’s a bigger lesson: you should hesitate to call someone names online if you wouldn’t have the guts to do it in person.
and as far as Sky Daddy- WTH are you even talking about?
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And you take it up with your 300mg of Thorazine
So I have mental problems for NOT believing in an omnipotent absentee landlord?
Mmmmmkay.
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(https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/307/152/12152307.jpeg?width=600&fit=bounds)
JEEM - we want the the '21 & '22 BIG Trophies back - YOU KNOW WHY. Or just ask the 3 coaches you threw under the Bus
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In person, I wouldn't have just said, "Clown."
That's true.
I would have said, "You're being a clown."
I talk more gooder than I type, I reckon.
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Tony Pee Pee Boy got his bitch ass booed out the stadium and had to hand the trophy to Jeem....awesome....
https://twitter.com/BlueBarronPhoto/status/1731202100783092178?s=20
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So I have mental problems for NOT believing in an omnipotent absentee landlord?
Mmmmmkay.
No, the season has to count for something - remember? You have the memory span of a door stop.Or doesn't that corrollary traverse from baseball to football season
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In person, I wouldn't have just said, "Clown."
That's true.
I would have said, "You're being a clown."
I talk more gooder than I type, I reckon.
And I would be fine with that and say”let’s have a beer”.
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DOWN goes Frazier,DOWN goes Frazier
I completely fail to see the point here.
My emphatically valuing the college football season isn't in conflict with determining that a 12-1 team is better than a certain 13-0 team.
Valuing the regular season doesn't mean blindly ranking teams by number of losses. I think that was Sam's point, but it's obviously wrong.
If Jordan Travis was healthy, we wouldn't be having this debate. But, oh shit, he IS hurt! And FSU is far, FAR from a top-4 team right now.
How is this controversial?!? Why are most of you pretending Travis isn't out??? Why are you burying your heads in the sand? Look at the 0 in the loss column! Ignore everything else! They haven't lost! Put FSU in!
WTF???
Why would you purposely ignore context?
Fuck it, Liberty hasn't lost, either. Put them in. Zero losses!!! The regular season has to mean something! Zero losses!
You are not children, stop making childish arguments.
And that FSU backup QB that keeps getting talked up, uhhhhh no. He completed under 50% of his passes vs Florida, with a sub-100 pass rating. That is putrid. And Florida's defense has been dog shit. Stop pretending he's not a massive liability. Stop pretending FSU is worthy. It's absurd.
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And I would be fine with that and say”let’s have a beer”.
And I would say, "I don't care for beer, I'll have a cider."
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No, the season has to count for something - remember? You have the memory span of a door stop.Or doesn't that corrollary traverse from baseball to football season
Again, the "season counting for something" does not equal "rank teams by number of losses."
There's, you know, context and shit. Why isn't anyone advocating for Liberty?
FSU w/o Travis = Liberty (or Iowa, really)
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I'm not pretending FSU is worthy
just saying the committee will probably put them in over Texas
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There's another consideration, it's the "Texas Bad Luck Law."
Some of you might not know, but Texas has never, ever made it into a national title bowl or BCS game, without being undefeated.
Plenty of teams have: Oklahoma a couple of times, Nebraska, Alabama multiple times, and a long list of others.
But in any season where Texas was good enough to potentially play for the NC with a loss, circumstances have aligned against the Longhorns and kept them out. The most recent and most infamous of those, of course, was the 2008 B12 South 3-way tie, where the circumstances and the league rules all fell OU's direction and that was one of OU's multiple 1-loss NC appearances.
But for Texas, just the way the seasons have played out, timing of losses, whatever else-- have always made it so that Texas has had to be completely perfect and undefeated, in order to get the chance to play for the NC.
So here's my prediction:
Michigan
Washington
Alabama
Georgia
It's gonna be painful, like getting your heart cut out with a spoon.
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Why a spoon?
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Why a spoon?
(https://i.imgur.com/iU4DBmS.png)
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So here's my prediction:
Michigan
Washington
Alabama
Georgia
It's gonna be painful, like getting your heart cut out with a spoon.
FSU get's Georgia's #4 spot
Otherwise, spot on. The SEC is way too powerful to be left out
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UGA-ALA-TEX:
Alabama has the best win (for the moment).
Texas has the 2nd-best win.
So Georgia is 3rd by default.
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Alabama has the best loss (for the moment).
Georgia has the 2nd-best loss.
Texas has the worst loss.
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If you handed out points 3-2-1 for each, you wind up with:
6 for Bama
3 for Texas and Georgia
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Hmmph.
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(https://i.imgur.com/iU4DBmS.png)
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(for the moment)
the moment is a few hours from now
nothing is gonna change
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FSU get's Georgia's #4 spot
Otherwise, spot on. The SEC is way too powerful to be left out
Think about next year, guys.
They're all getting in.
No arguing. No debate. Just a bunch of yawning and rematches.
It's gonna be grrrrrrreat!
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(for the moment)
the moment is a few hours from now
nothing is gonna change
Promise?
So you'll still love me in the morning?
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Think about next year, guys.
They're all getting in.
No arguing. No debate. Just a bunch of yawning and rematches.
It's gonna be grrrrrrreat!
When Texas gets left out, I'll welcome next year's yawning and rematches.
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I completely fail to see the point here.It's on your head - BAMA needed a last second Hail Mary vs War Eagle who lost to N.Mex ST - that doesn't count?
If Jordan Travis was healthy, we wouldn't be having this debate. But, oh shit, he IS hurt! And FSU is far, FAR from a top-4 team right now.2014 tOSU went 3 deep it could happen - ask the invisible sky daddy
Why would you purposely ignore context?Evidently precious it's not just me as you've tried sharing your brilliance with at least 3 others
You are not children, stop making childish arguments. Mmmkay, this is rich so you evidently are the arbitraitor on what is childish after continuously moving the goal posts.So good to know the season now doesn't count thanx for getting that sorted
And that FSU backup QB that keeps getting talked up, uhhhhh no. He completed under 50% of his passes vs Florida, with a sub-100 pass rating. That is putrid. They're undefeated - so he can't have a bad day when you have them with distressing frequency?
I haven't laughed this hard since I heard my boss caught his tie in the paper shredder.
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It's gonna be painful, like getting your heart cut out with a spoon.
Disemboweled - it's more cathartic
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(https://i.imgur.com/1QirywX.jpg)
Well, excluding big plays any team makes suddenly makes them pedestrian I guess. Without Marvin Harrison making big plays and scoring touchdowns Ohio State is pedestrian. Just not sure how an argument to ignore or overlook big plays is a sound one.
Michigan defense forced 3 turnovers and held Iowa to 35 yards rushing. Time of possession favored Michigan 36:28 to 23:32. Iowa averaged 240 ypg on offense, Michigan held them to 155. Averaged 16.6 ppg and held to zero.
On the flip side, I think Iowa deserves more credit on defense. They were #2 in the country in defensive yards per play. #4 in scoring defense. #5 in total defense.
Again, I can see the statement that Michigan didn’t look flashy or great on offense but they didn’t need to because the defense controlled the game.
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Michigan didn't need to, they were playing Iowa
Michigan is also undefeated. They don't need to talk themselves up or apologize.
They are in.
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It's official.
1. Michigan
2. Washington
3. Texas
4. Alabama
5. FSU
6. Georgia
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Michigan/Bama in the Rose
Washington/Texas in the Sugar
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If Jordan Travis was healthy, FSU would be in.
That's the simple point. Ignoring that he's out wouldn't be prudent.
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Politics and money win again. Shocking.
Those guys on the committee should really be ashamed of themselves.
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Politics and money win again. Shocking.
Those guys on the committee should really be ashamed of themselves.
I'm going to name-call again: drama queen!
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Michigan/Bama in the Rose
Washington/Texas in the Sugar
WOW. I'm surprised, and I'm delighted. Should be a great tourney.
Already looking at trying to get to New Orleans for the Sugar Bowl.
Too bad we don't get a Michigan-Washington game in the Rose Bow, but the seedings are correct I think.
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So the Boo guy cited Travis being out. Then why is FSU ahead of UGA???
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So the Boo guy cited Travis being out. Then why is FSU ahead of UGA???
Now I am going to return your name calling since that is all you know.
the answer is obvious DUMBASS. They had to creat a narrative to support their purely political decision to ignore results and choose Bama.
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I'm going to name-call again: drama queen!
Stop it Thor
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Harbaugh just thanked baby Jesus for getting in the playoff.
:sign0137:
I guess OSU should have prayed more?
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Now I am going to return your name calling since that is all you know.
the answer is obvious DUMBASS. They had to creat a narrative to support their purely political decision to ignore results and choose Bama.
So you're making the claim that ranking Bama 4 and FSU 5 is a political decision.
What is the evidence to support your claim?
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So you're making the claim that ranking Bama 4 and FSU 5 is a political decision.
What is the evidence to support your claim?
it was 10000% a political decision.
FSU is the first ever undefeated P5 conference champ to get left out. Unprecedented.
Ohio State lost it’s starting QB in 2014 and still made it into the CFP. Oh yeah and they won the entire damn thing. Precedent for a team losing it’s QB and making the CFP.
This trash committee just decided to ignore precedent and disregard you know- results on the football field- all in order to do something completely unprecedented all in order to blow the SEC/Nick Saban.
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So you're making the claim that ranking Bama 4 and FSU 5 is a political decision.
What is the evidence to support your claim?
One team was undefeated. The other was not- and was lucky as hell not to have 2 losses.
But SEC SEC/ESPn Espn.
But this isn’t new news.
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it was 10000% a political decision.
FSU is the first ever undefeated P5 conference champ to get left out. Unprecedented.
Ohio State lost it’s starting QB in 2014 and still made it into the CFP. Oh yeah and they won the entire damn thing. Precedent for a team losing it’s QB and making the CFP.
This trash committee just decided to ignore precedent and disregard you know- results on the football field- all in order to do something completely unprecedented all in order to blow the SEC/Nick Saban.
It was predictable. Saw it coming a mile away.
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Now I am going to return your name calling since that is all you know.
the answer is obvious DUMBASS. They had to creat a narrative to support their purely political decision to ignore results and choose Bama.
I agree but BAMA a great program won't be bringing the eyes to the sets.Bigger markets and two fresh participants do. Nice to know the season no longer counts,so by all means the commitee is ripe for payola
Also this may be the last chance to crown the best teams.By expanding the playoffs more Sunday bound players will bail,leaving teams a just a shell of themselves.Enough to change the course of the games outcomes. This just proved the The University heads have whorered themselves out on the same level as the Networks Wonks
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Harbaugh just thanked baby Jesus for getting in the playoff.
:sign0137:
I guess OSU should have prayed more?
nice try tinkerbell one team just won more but you swept that premise under the rug - where your takes reside
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So you're making the claim that ranking Bama 4 and FSU 5 is a political decision.
What is the evidence to support your claim?
Thor - have your handler bump the dosage - it's already been explained.Would you like it pointed out - by pretty much half the board
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It was predictable. Saw it coming a mile away.
It was.
we have been talking about the political/financial control of the college football game and how it’s gone south, all season long on this forum. ELA has said it best.
it was probably naïve of me to think that this bold of a move was beyond there courage. They would never eliminate an undefeated conference champion in favor of someone from the SEC. But their audacity and arrogance is obviously unmitigated.
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it was 10000% a political decision.
FSU is the first ever undefeated P5 conference champ to get left out. Unprecedented.
Ohio State lost it’s starting QB in 2014 and still made it into the CFP. Oh yeah and they won the entire damn thing. Precedent for a team losing it’s QB and making the CFP.
This trash committee just decided to ignore precedent and disregard you know- results on the football field- all in order to do something completely unprecedented all in order to blow the SEC/Nick Saban.
Just bumping this for Gator Guy as his amnesia is alarming for one so young
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It's really simple. We all know what the CFP is.
Alabama brought this to the table:
(https://i.imgur.com/fiN3lgH.png)
And FSU brought this:
(https://i.imgur.com/Pow1e33.jpg)
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Who said precedent is king? Where is that written?
Cardale Jones went out and played great in OSU's drubbing of Wisconsin in 2014. He didn't go out and look like a left-hander trying to throw right-handed.
FSU is half a team w/o Travis. That matters. IT SAYS SO ON THEIR OWN WEBSITE. The committee did nothing wrong.
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It's really simple. We all know what the CFP is.
Alabama brought this to the table:
(https://i.imgur.com/fiN3lgH.png)
And FSU brought this:
(https://i.imgur.com/Pow1e33.jpg)
To be fair, FSU has some talented ladies. And they don't say no.
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Who said precedent is king? Where is that written?
Cardale Jones went out and played great in OSU's drubbing of Wisconsin in 2014. He didn't go out and look like a left-hander trying to throw right-handed.
FSU is half a team w/o Travis. That matters. IT SAYS SO ON THEIR OWN WEBSITE. The committee did nothing wrong.
If precedent doesn’t matter, how can chaos not take over.
if you tell your team, “hey look, if you win all your games and win the conference, you will go to the championship playoffs” Because that happens 100% of the time, how do you explain this.?
If losing an early season game means nothing then why do two power five schools ever want to schedule each other again?
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Who said precedent is king? Where is that written?
Cardale Jones went out and played great in OSU's drubbing of Wisconsin in 2014. He didn't go out and look like a left-hander trying to throw right-handed.
FSU is half a team w/o Travis. That matters. IT SAYS SO ON THEIR OWN WEBSITE. The committee did nothing wrong.
Now I hate you.
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If Penix was out and their backups pooped the bed, UW should be out.
FSU is a shell of it's former self. Why is it such blasphemy to say so?
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If precedent doesn’t matter, how can chaos not take over.
if you tell your team, “hey look, if you win all your games and win the conference, you will go to the championship playoffs” Because that happens 100% of the time, how do you explain this.?
You'd have misspoken to your team.
It HAS happened 100% SO FAR. Who guaranteed it into perpetuity? LOL
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Some of you are choosing to ignore Jordan Travis being out and FSU's offense looking like a shit-smeared toilet set on fire.
I'm simply not ignoring it.
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If Penix was out and their backups pooped the bed, UW should be out.
FSU is a shell of it's former self. Why is it such blasphemy to say so?
DEFENSE Noles 6th in the nation but since undefeated conference champ doesn't move the needle why should defense.
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I'll post this as many times as it takes, guys.
(https://i.imgur.com/KzaDDGH.jpg)
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Undefeated Conference champs but Gator Guy be like
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/66a2de8889fcd20e5a7af2735ec31950/tenor.gif?itemid=12964405)
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fimg.buzzfeed.com%2Fbuzzfeed-static%2Fstatic%2F2016-11%2F14%2F7%2Fasset%2Fbuzzfeed-prod-fastlane03%2Fanigif_sub-buzz-30384-1479126765-2.gif&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=eebbcf034fb3056ba8ad3c8aecd7f1566c7db9a5330686f0ae6f07c77a619ad3&ipo=images) (https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-11/14/7/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane03/anigif_sub-buzz-30384-1479126765-2.gif)
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Some of you are choosing to ignore Jordan Travis being out and FSU's offense looking like a shit-smeared toilet set on fire.
I'm simply not ignoring it.
Dude,
Some of us play in the Big Ten West
We see it every week!
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Undefeated Conference champs but Gator Guy be like
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/66a2de8889fcd20e5a7af2735ec31950/tenor.gif?itemid=12964405)
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fimg.buzzfeed.com%2Fbuzzfeed-static%2Fstatic%2F2016-11%2F14%2F7%2Fasset%2Fbuzzfeed-prod-fastlane03%2Fanigif_sub-buzz-30384-1479126765-2.gif&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=eebbcf034fb3056ba8ad3c8aecd7f1566c7db9a5330686f0ae6f07c77a619ad3&ipo=images) (https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-11/14/7/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane03/anigif_sub-buzz-30384-1479126765-2.gif)
FSU being left out of the playoff isn't what's unfair.
Their QB getting hurt for the rest of the season while playing an FCS team was. That was unfair. That sucks.
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FSU being left out of the playoff isn't what's unfair.
Their QB getting hurt for the rest of the season while playing an FCS team was. That was unfair. That sucks.
They shouldn't have been playing the 1-AA tomato can.
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(https://i.imgur.com/Doe10xY.jpg)
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They shouldn't have been playing the 1-AA tomato can.
Interesting point!
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WOW. I'm surprised, and I'm delighted. Should be a great tourney.
Already looking at trying to get to New Orleans for the Sugar Bowl.
Too bad we don't get a Michigan-Washington game in the Rose Bow, but the seedings are correct I think.
the horns were blessed
not only did they get in
they got the weakest team (warshington) in the Sugar - horns will sound like the home team in there
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They shouldn't have been playing the 1-AA tomato can.
they or he (the QB)???
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In any event, that sucks so much that you win all your games and then you don't have enough accrued data points to make the playoffs. The ultimate case where the games did not matter at all.
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Money's tight,
times are hard,
here's youre fargin'Christmas Card
:a035:
shoulda put yer tight arse money where yer mouth is
Oh well, I'll still buy the first 2 if you show up in Mashville
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In any event, that sucks so much that you win all your games and then you don't have enough accrued data points to make the playoffs. The ultimate case where the games did not matter at all.
FSU was penalized for playin in a weak conference
wait till next season
anyone not in the SEC and B1G is gonna get the shaft
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In any event, that sucks so much that you win all your games and then you don't have enough accrued data points to make the playoffs. The ultimate case where the games did not matter at all.
You're not sharp.
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Most of this board are suddenly conspiracy theorists.
Weird.
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Michigan/Bama in the Rose
Roll Tide!
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Most of this board are suddenly conspiracy theorists.
Weird.
I don't think there are any conspiracy theorists. What a bizarre thing to say. Leaving an undefeated champion out of the mix on some flimsy pretext is what happened. We don't need to sugarcoat it.
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they or he (the QB)???
FSU
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after Bammer beats Harbaugh in the Rose
We'll get a rematch with the Horns!!!
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FSU
the SOS didn't hurt them as much as the loss of the QB
but, I do agree
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FSU AD:
Florida State AD blasts College Football Playoff after being snubbed from four-team field in favor of Alabama - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/florida-state-ad-blasts-college-football-playoff-after-being-snubbed-from-four-team-field-in-favor-of-alabama/)
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To be honest, I can see both sides of the FSU debate.
For those pointing to Ohio State 2014 as precedent remember that:
- UW-2014 > L'Ville-23
- 59>16
- 6>0
It sucks for FSU but as I pointed out last week the two ACCCG participants played mediocre SEC teams and frankly looked like mediocre SEC teams.
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You're not sharp.
Up the dosage then up yours
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Most of this board are suddenly conspiracy theorists.
Weird.
i disagree with the suddenly component of your post.
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To be honest, I can see both sides of the FSU debate.
The arguments has been bama needed a hail mary to beat Auburn who lost to N.Mex. ST that lost to Liberty - TWICE
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FSU AD:
Florida State AD blasts College Football Playoff after being snubbed from four-team field in favor of Alabama - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/florida-state-ad-blasts-college-football-playoff-after-being-snubbed-from-four-team-field-in-favor-of-alabama/)
good for him, but he's in the wrong conference unfortunately
still very thankful that UNL jumped to the B1G when they had their chance
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i disagree with the suddenly component of your post.
You are more than welcome to stick around
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The arguments has been bama needed a hail mary to beat Auburn who lost to N.Mex. ST that lost to Liberty - TWICE
Be careful. If you play that game, you wind up arguing Kent State is the national champ.
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God is smiling down on the Gators.
No Georgia or FSU in the playoff.
Wouldn't have believed that a month ago. We're truly blessed.
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To be honest, I can see both sides of the FSU debate.
For those pointing to Ohio State 2014 as precedent remember that:
- UW-2014 > L'Ville-23
- 59>16
- 6>0
It sucks for FSU but as I pointed out last week the two ACCCG participants played mediocre SEC teams and frankly looked like mediocre SEC teams.
FSU>Baylor or TCU
I mean, I remember people complaining about OSU getting in - can you imagine the complaints if TCU or Baylor were undefeated that year?
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Be careful. If you play that game, you wind up arguing Kent State is the national champ.
Yeah, be careful about looking at the actual games. Who knows what will happen if you play that game.
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The committee allowed FSU the opportunity to show they were worthy. They kept them 4th to wait and see. You know, actually watching the games.
FSU did not look worthy vs Florida.
FSU did not look worthy vs UL.
So in a demonic, satanic, conspiracy move, they dropped the Noles 1 whole spot.
GASP
CLUTCHES PEARLS
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The committee allowed FSU the opportunity to show they were worthy. They kept them 4th to wait and see. You know, actually watching the games.
FSU did not look worthy vs Florida.
FSU did not look worthy vs UL.
So in a demonic, satanic, conspiracy move, they dropped the Noles 1 whole spot.
GASP
CLUTCHES PEARLS
Held Louisville to by far their worst performance of the year and won by double digits. NOT WORTHY
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I'm pretty sure UL's worst performance of the year was losing to 3-9 Pitt.
But as you know, these basic concepts are hard for me to understand.
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let's just admit that the Noles win over Louisville wasn't as impressive as Bammer's win over the Dawgs
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let's just admit that the Noles win over Louisville wasn't as impressive as Bammer's win over the Dawgs
Also, we should acknowledge that Alabama barely beating a team that was blown out by New Mexico State is much more impressive than beating Louisville by double digits. They lost to Pitt, you see.
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Be careful. If you play that game, you wind up arguing Kent State is the national champ.
I go there quite often but we're not addressing pub crawls.Though it has been some time since I indulged.I find one place and stay put don't want to miss the the Selection commitee's pix
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Also, we should acknowledge that Alabama barely beating a team that was blown out by New Mexico State
Scooped you on that :d030:
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You are more than welcome to stick around
i'm convinced that fla st as currently comprised is not top 4. i think most agree with that view if they watched their last two games against pedestrian opposition. it is just a matter of whether you think injuries should play into it or not with respect to cfp consideration. it is part of the criteria for consideration. personally i think it should be a factor but only when the impact is as seemingly significant as it is this yr.
with jordan travis healthy i think fla st would be my pick to win it all. without him iowa can give them a game along with a bunch of other teams. it is a dramatic difference & impact to what they are in contrast to 2014 for example when i distinctly recall wondering if cardale wasn't the best qb on ohio st's roster after they dusted wisc in their ccg.
i think that fans overlook nuance yr to yr when evaluating these outcomes & bypass that consideration in favor of the moving goal posts view - the latter of which i disagree with.
i feel bad for fla st but if they were in it mich would have a quasi-bye to the champ game. on one betting site i perused late last night when odds were fairly even for fla st vs bama making the po fsu's odds for winning it all were +1600 & ala was +550 which says it all.
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i think that fans overlook nuance yr to yr when evaluating these outcomes & bypass that consideration
Lil bit!!!
Caveman thinking, ooga-booga no losses, ooga booga.
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Lil bit!!!
Caveman thinking, ooga-booga no losses, ooga booga.
ooga booga wins losses same thing ooga booga
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Bama one loss do over oogaa oogaa ask LSU,why not a rubber game then?oogaa,oogaa
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The committee allowed FSU the opportunity to show they were worthy. They kept them 4th to wait and see. You know, actually watching the games.
FSU did not look worthy vs Florida.
FSU did not look worthy vs UL.
So in a demonic, satanic, conspiracy move, they dropped the Noles 1 whole spot.
GASP
CLUTCHES PEARLS
I don't think you understand. The issue isn't that everyone is conspiracy theorists. The issue is that a team like FSU does everything they can with what was in front of them and is excluded by an arbitrary decision that we've never seen before.
Literally they scheduled (and beat the crap out of) a strong SEC team (LSU) out of conference. They played their annual matchup against another SEC team and beat them with their second-string QB; it's not their fault Florida sucks. They're in a P5 conference and ran the table, 8-0, then won their CCG with their third-string QB to go 13-0 total.
They literally accomplished every single one of the goals a team like FSU can go into the season with. Even AFTER their QB got hurt. Literally they did everything they could possibly do except avoid a terrible injury that was not their fault.
That's what this is about. Bama might be a "better" team than a FSU team down their starting QB. But it still seems like FSU is getting f$&^!#g robbed here.
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https://twitter.com/allday_ajking/status/1731411712396472651?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1731411712396472651%7Ctwgr%5Efdf18ae93e95808747424a23568834bba47aaf4e%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fcollege%2Fohio-state%2Fboard%2F120%2FContents%2Fmizzo-coachs-comments--222198554%2F%3Fpage%3D1
Gold Jerry, Gold.
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I don't think you understand. The issue isn't that everyone is conspiracy theorists. The issue is that a team like FSU does everything they can with what was in front of them and is excluded by an arbitrary decision that we've never seen before.
Down goes Frazier,Down goes Frazier
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I don't think you understand. The issue isn't that everyone is conspiracy theorists. The issue is that a team like FSU does everything they can with what was in front of them and is excluded by an arbitrary decision that we've never seen before.
Literally they scheduled (and beat the crap out of) a strong SEC team (LSU) out of conference. They played their annual matchup against another SEC team and beat them with their second-string QB; it's not their fault Florida sucks. They're in a P5 conference and ran the table, 8-0, then won their CCG with their third-string QB to go 13-0 total.
They literally accomplished every single one of the goals a team like FSU can go into the season with. Even AFTER their QB got hurt. Literally they did everything they could possibly do except avoid a terrible injury that was not their fault.
That's what this is about. Bama might be a "better" team than a FSU team down their starting QB. But it still seems like FSU is getting f$&^!#g robbed here.
It sucks, but the current FSU team didn't beat LSU. The one with Travis did.
This FSU team didn't beat Clemson and Duke and Miami. The one with Travis did.
I have no idea why you refuse to acknowledge that a team losing its best player and then shows they're much worse matters. A lot.
It matters. Not fair? Sure. Sad. Yes! But it's the reality of the situation.
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Down goes Frazier,Down goes Frazier
You're not a caveman, you're a parrot.
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I don't think you understand. The issue isn't that everyone is conspiracy theorists. The issue is that a team like FSU does everything they can with what was in front of them and is excluded by an arbitrary decision that we've never seen before.
Literally they scheduled (and beat the crap out of) a strong SEC team (LSU) out of conference. They played their annual matchup against another SEC team and beat them with their second-string QB; it's not their fault Florida sucks. They're in a P5 conference and ran the table, 8-0, then won their CCG with their third-string QB to go 13-0 total.
They literally accomplished every single one of the goals a team like FSU can go into the season with. Even AFTER their QB got hurt. Literally they did everything they could possibly do except avoid a terrible injury that was not their fault.
That's what this is about. Bama might be a "better" team than a FSU team down their starting QB. But it still seems like FSU is getting f$&^!#g robbed here.
It was far from arbitrary
The committee was supposed to select the four best teams
If they were given the directive to select teams first based on their record and then their ability FSU would have been chosen
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You're not a caveman, you're a parrot.
You picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue
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You're not a caveman, you're a parrot.
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It sucks, but the current FSU team didn't beat LSU. The one with Travis did.
This FSU team didn't beat Clemson and Duke and Miami. The one with Travis did.
I have no idea why you refuse to acknowledge that a team losing its best player and then shows they're much worse matters. A lot.
It matters. Not fair? Sure. Sad. Yes! But it's the reality of the situation.
It was far from arbitrary
The committee was supposed to select the four best teams
If they were given the directive to select teams first based on their record and then their ability FSU would have been chosen
I get it. And I've highlighted the problem between "best teams" and "most deserving" teams before.
Bama and Texas might be better than FSU in the beauty pageant. But FSU accomplished something; they went 13-0 and won their (P5) conference. And it's not like you can point to them scheduling pastries OOC to pad their win total--they played and beat two SEC teams out of conference.
I get that this is the system. I'm saying the system sucks. If you're going to devalue both going undefeated (in a P5 conference) and winning your conference championship in the process, I'm glad the system is blown up and gone after this year.
The new system is far worse.... Don't get me wrong on that. But this result points out how bankrupt the current system is.
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I get it. And I've highlighted the problem between "best teams" and "most deserving" teams before.
Bama and Texas might be better than FSU in the beauty pageant. But FSU accomplished something; they went 13-0 and won their (P5) conference. And it's not like you can point to them scheduling pastries OOC to pad their win total--they played and beat two SEC teams out of conference.
I get that this is the system. I'm saying the system sucks. If you're going to devalue both going undefeated (in a P5 conference) and winning your conference championship in the process, I'm glad the system is blown up and gone after this year.
The new system is far worse.... Don't get me wrong on that. But this result points out how bankrupt the current system is.
A lot of us would have considered the system bankrupt had they chosen FSU over any of the existing 4
Did you actually watch FSU play yesterday? It was one of the worst displays by an undefeated team Ive ever seen
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the new system is the old system with more spots for the rich to get richer
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Id rather have too many teams then not enough
Eight is the correct number
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Ya tell that to the kids sitting out because of more games
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Id rather have too many teams then not enough
Eight is the correct number
IMHO the correct number is zero. Go back to 1997.
All this focus on crowning a champion is destroying the sport for about 120 FBS teams.
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Id rather have too many teams then not enough
Eight is the correct number
2 is plenty
#1 michigan vs #2 Warshington
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IMHO the correct number is zero. Go back to 1997.
All this focus on crowning a champion is destroying the sport for about 120 FBS teams.
97 was a good year - I'm fine with that
1998 is even better in my book - no hiding in the Doze Bowl
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I was in a movie and then got dinner, but intersting to see participation trophy culture won out. Quite silly.
I guess if we needed something to make a 12-team playoff seem more useful, this was it.
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IMHO the correct number is zero. Go back to 1997.
All this focus on crowning a champion is destroying the sport for about 120 FBS teams.
I feel weird about that, because we'd need a certain kind of CFB-consuming public for that to work, and I just have no faith such a public exists.
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I feel weird about that, because we'd need a certain kind of CFB-consuming public for that to work, and I just have no faith such a public exists.
We're rapidly approaching a world where "the CFB-consuming public" will be the fans of about 20 teams, and the rest tune out.
Right now most CFB is as relevant to me as most NFL, except that I don't even have a fantasy football aspect.
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We're rapidly approaching a world where "the CFB-consuming public" will be the fans of about 20 teams, and the rest tune out.
top 9 of the B1G and SEC each, and Notre Dame
we've just determined the ACC doesn't matter
what's left of the Big 12 doesn't stand a prayer
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https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/college-sports/2023/12/143665/2022-the-year-that-broke-college-football#new
Pretty good lead in to the thread
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Let's analyze this from various postseason models.
Pre-BCS:
- #1 Michigan vs #2 Washington in the RoseBowl. Everyone else is effectively out.
BCS:
- #1 Michigan vs #× Washington in the BCSNCG. Everyone else out.
CFP:
- #1 Michigan vs #4 Alabama
- #2 Washington vs #3 Texas
- Everyone else effectively out.
The eight team model that a lot of us here advocated:
- #1 Michigan, B1G Champion
- #2 Washington, P12 Champion
- #3 Texas, B12 Champion
- #4 Bama, SEC Champion
- #5 Florida State, ACC Champion
- #6 Georgia, at-large
- #7 Ohio State, at-large
- #23 Liberty
So the games would be:
- #23 Liberty at #1 Michigan winner vs
- #5 FSU at #4 Bama
- #7 Ohio State at #2 Washington, winner vs
- #6 Georgia at #3 Texas
As I understand the 12-team model we are going to next year (correct me if I'm wrong) the teams would be:
- #1 Michigan B1G Champion
- #2 Washington, P12 Champion
- #3 Texas, B12 Champion
- #4 Bama, SEC Champion
- #5 FSU, ACC Champion
- #6 Georgia, at-large
- #7 Ohio State, at-large
- #8 Oregon, at-large
- #9 Mizzou, at-large
- #10 Penn State, at-large
- #11 Ole Miss, at-large
- #23 Liberty, whatever league they are in
So the games would be:
- #23 Liberty at #5 FSU, winner vs #4 Bama
- #11 Ole Miss at #Georgia, winner vs #3 Texas
- #10 Penn State at #7 Ohio State, winner vs #2 Washington
- #9 Mizzou at #8 Oregon, winner vs #1 Michigan
Then:
- Liberty/FSU vs Bama, winner vs
- Mizzou/Oregon vs Michigan
- Ole Miss/UGA vs Texas, winner vs
- PSU/tOSU vs Washington
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Can someone explain to me what I’m missing on the eye test with Bama?
They needed a Hail Mary to beat a very average Auburn team. Ok, can’t discount a big play. But they also struggled with an 8 loss Arkansas team. Struggled with a 7-5 A&M team. Lost at home to Texas.
The big Tennessee win? Oh the TN that lost to the Gators?
The big Kentucky win, who lost 5 of their last 7?
Chattanooga?
Yes, they beat the #1 Georgia team, but hearing this garbage they pass the eye test and have been a different team since losing to Texas is a freaking joke. They had one great game against Georgia. Besides that, they don’t look like a great team and this committee was all about money and creating a reason rest people accept the new playoff model and sneak in a SEC team. It’s total garbage and I feel terrible for FSU who earned it on the field.
I hope FSU beats Georgia and Michigan stomps Bama to show what a sham this was.
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Can someone explain to me what I’m missing on the eye test with Bama?
They are the SEC. And SEC can't be left out. No siree.
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Ed Zachery
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Can someone explain to me what I’m missing on the eye test with Bama?
They needed a Hail Mary to beat a very average Auburn team. Ok, can’t discount a big play. But they also struggled with an 8 loss Arkansas team. Struggled with a 7-5 A&M team. Lost at home to Texas.
The big Tennessee win? Oh the TN that lost to the Gators?
The big Kentucky win, who lost 5 of their last 7?
Chattanooga?
Yes, they beat the #1 Georgia team, but hearing this garbage they pass the eye test and have been a different team since losing to Texas is a freaking joke. They had one great game against Georgia. Besides that, they don’t look like a great team and this committee was all about money and creating a reason rest people accept the new playoff model and sneak in a SEC team. It’s total garbage and I feel terrible for FSU who earned it on the field.
I hope FSU beats Georgia and Michigan stomps Bama to show what a sham this was.
Amen. I just laugh when I hear “ the 4 best teams.” Says who? That is nothing more than a concept. a theory.
I like Michigan in that match up.
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I love how the idea that the committee members simply did what they thought was best isn't even a possibility for some of you.
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Can someone explain to me what I’m missing on the eye test with Bama?
They needed a Hail Mary to beat a very average Auburn team. Ok, can’t discount a big play. But they also struggled with an 8 loss Arkansas team. Struggled with a 7-5 A&M team. Lost at home to Texas.
The big Tennessee win? Oh the TN that lost to the Gators?
The big Kentucky win, who lost 5 of their last 7?
Chattanooga?
Yes, they beat the #1 Georgia team, but hearing this garbage they pass the eye test and have been a different team since losing to Texas is a freaking joke. They had one great game against Georgia. Besides that, they don’t look like a great team and this committee was all about money and creating a reason rest people accept the new playoff model and sneak in a SEC team. It’s total garbage and I feel terrible for FSU who earned it on the field.
I hope FSU beats Georgia and Michigan stomps Bama to show what a sham this was.
FSU won its right into the playoff but was cut out. Alabama didn't. This year will be the first mythical national championship year in several years.
- Texas defeated Alabama 34-24.
- The following week Alabama defeated USF (6-6) 17-3 (The Florida Atlantic Owls (4-8) defeated USF 56-14)
- Then Alabama edged Texas A & M (7-5) 26-20
- Then Alabama edged Arkansas (4-8) 24-21
- Then Alabama edged Auburn (6-6) (3-5) on last second heroics.
Alabama defeated two ranked teams. FSU defeated 3 ranked teams.
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In addition the nonconference schedule of Alabama, included such daunting opponents, as:
- Middle Tennessee State (4-8)
- USF (6-6)
- Chattanooga (FCS school) (8-5)
FSU nonconference schedule:
- LSU (9-3) 45-24 win
- Southern Miss (3-9)
- North Alabama (3-8)
- Florida (5-7)
Two SEC teams.
Alabama and FSU had one common opponent, LSU. Alabama defeated LSU 42-28. Alabama defeated LSU by 14; FSU defeated LSU by 21. What does the committee not understand?
It just seems to me FSU has a stronger resume than Alabama; FSU earned it throughout the season and finished undefeated.
I understand the QB situation, but Rodemaker was experienced and would be back for the playoff.
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Everyone ignoring FSU is far worse without Travis at QB AND THAT MATTERING:
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Alabama scheduled nonconference opponents, just to get by.
FSU scheduled nonconference opponents, to take a chance, to get in.
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OR...
one is in the best conference and the other is in a weaker one, knows it, schedules as such, and was scratching and clawing to leave it 6 months ago.
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FSU was undefeated against SEC opponents. Alabama was not.
Explain Alabama's nonconference scheduling.
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This has nothing to do with scheduling.
It has to do with Jordan Travis. It has to do with FSU's anemic offense vs Florida and Louisville. They could have played their way into the playoff, but they didn't.
This isn't complicated.
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They really did play their way in, though. The 3rd string QB, who won’t even be the starter in the bowl game, just wasn’t as impressive as the committee would have liked.
I understand the committee’s rationale but totally get FSU’s anger. You can understand FSU being upset, right?
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This has nothing to do with scheduling.
It has to do with Jordan Travis. It has to do with FSU's anemic offense vs Florida and Louisville. They could have played their way into the playoff, but they didn't.
This isn't complicated.
There is no evidence they could have played their way in. In fact, quite the opposite.
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I was in a movie and then got dinner, but intersting to see participation trophy culture won out. Quite silly.
I guess if we needed something to make a 12-team playoff seem more useful, this was it.
#13 would be screaming bloody murder.
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FSU was undefeated against SEC opponents. Alabama was not.
Alabama was undefeated against SEC opponents as well. Their sole loss was to Texas, who is not (yet) an SEC team.
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Alabama was undefeated against SEC opponents as well. Their sole loss was to Texas, who is not (yet) an SEC team.
You caught that too. Heh. I was gonna let it slide.
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I love how the idea that the committee members simply did what they thought was best isn't even a possibility for some of you.
[img width=500 height=242.99]https://i.imgur.com/AbA1SEF.jpg[/img]
oh, I think it's possible. Just not probable.
It was a tough decision and they used "unavailability" as a way out.
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Blame it all on Georgia. All they needed to do was beat said pedestrian Bama team, which many are claiming was not great (even with 11 previous wins). They did beat Georgia, who most believed was easily #1 by a wide margin.
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So the games would be:
- #23 Liberty at #5 FSU, winner vs #4 Bama
- #11 Ole Miss at #Georgia, winner vs #3 Texas
- #10 Penn State at #7 Ohio State, winner vs #2 Washington
- #9 Mizzou at #8 Oregon, winner vs #1 Michigan
Then:
- Liberty/FSU vs Bama, winner vs
- Mizzou/Oregon vs Michigan
- Ole Miss/UGA vs Texas, winner vs
- PSU/tOSU vs Washington
I think I'd really like that lineup.
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You caught that too. Heh. I was gonna let it slide.
Yeah I'm not trying to be pedantic and I truly do sympathize with FSU, they got a raw deal.
But if the point being made is that FSU>Alabama because FSU was undefeated against SEC teams and Alabama was not, well, the hypothesis is contrary to fact and therefore the logical conclusion is a fallacy.
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I think I'd really like that lineup.
Honestly, not me.
Two of the first round games (Ole Miss at UGA and PSU at tOSU) end up being conference games. They'd probably switch the rankings to force it to end up Ole Miss at tOSU and PSU at UGA but still I just don't see why Ole Miss or PSU should be included. They had their chances. Note the plural. They had multiple chances to knock off playoff caliber teams and failed. One mulligan is bad enough, two?
Personally, I'd be happy going back to pre-BCS, or BCS, or sticking with four. From my perspective each incremental increase in CFP participants necessarily decreases the intensity of individual regular season games.
I knew they would expand from four but I had hoped to keep it to eight because, IMHO, 12 is just way too many because it makes it too easy to get in.
Looking at what I posted above using this year's rankings:
Going from two (BCS) to four (CFP) adds:
- B12 Champion Texas
- SEC Champion Bama
These are both teams that just might be good enough to win it all.
Going from four to eight adds:
Liberty would get steamrolled but then you have FSU who a lot of people feel "earned" it by going undefeated a two teams that just might be good enough to win it all.
Going from eight to 12 adds:
- Oregon
- Mizzou
- Penn State
- Ole Miss
I just see no reason to add those teams. They are all 2-loss P5 teams that went 0-2 against "playoff caliber" teams. I see no need to give them a third chance. Oregon lost to Washington twice. Mizzou is 2-2 against currently ranked teams with wins over TN and KSU who are both barely ranked and losses to LSU and UGA. Penn State lost to both tOSU and M with the loss to Michigan happening on PSU's field. They had two chances and went 0-2. Ole Miss lost to two would-be playoff teams in Bama and UGA and beat none.
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Agreed @medinabuckeye1 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1547) ...
I don't see why 12 teams had ANY advantage over 5+1+2.
Especially since the PAC is gone they could have changed it to 4+1+3 and made room for one more at large. You know the SEC would want that.
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8 teams would be plenty. Probably too many most years.
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couple things...
first, and get this out of the way, fsu got screwed. someone was going to get screwed, i though it'd be bama because it seemed like they had the least amount of complaint once screwed. i am both extremely happy bama got in, and kinda heartbroken for fsu for not. i do think bama is one of the best 4 teams right now, and fsu isn't, but that's discounting a whole hell of a lot of the season. also, i understand the whole injury thing and it changes a team, but man there's 84 more players busting their asses and you just screwed them and their accomplishments over because of an injury to 1 guy. suck so bad for them.
also not a fan of bama taking more heat for something that's not in their control. hate the system i guess is what i'm saying. like the bcs controversies, don't the teams that benefits from a f-ed up system, change the system.
going to 4 team cfp when there were 5 p5 plus nd, just stupid.
i think 6 could have been good, especially for something like this year. top 2 still sought after for the bye. can include all p5 if undefeated without controversy. can include undefeated nd or a g5 if worthy. have some games on campus early/mid december to break up the long wait. it just ticks a lot of the right boxes and not many of the wrong ones.
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Yeah I'm not trying to be pedantic and I truly do sympathize with FSU, they got a raw deal.
But if the point being made is that FSU>Alabama because FSU was undefeated against SEC teams and Alabama was not, well, the hypothesis is contrary to fact and therefore the logical conclusion is a fallacy.
Hey you're not around the water cooler at ESPN or Work,you can talk normal in here
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going to 4 team cfp when there were 5 p5 plus nd, just stupid.
i think 6 could have been good,
ya stretching the schedule that much I/many have pointed out will just dilute the the talent pool as many sunday bound kids will be sitting
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i do think bama is one of the best 4 teams right now
This is the part of the argument I simply can't wrap my head around. Last week they were the 8th best team. They beat Georgia. Big win against the team everyone thought was #1. Upsets happen. But the week before they needed a miracle to beat a very, very mediocre Auburn team. So what backing is there that Bama is one of the best 4 right now besides the Georgia win?
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This is the part of the argument I simply can't wrap my head around. Last week they were the 8th best team. They beat Georgia. Big win against the team everyone thought was #1. Upsets happen. But the week before they needed a miracle to beat a very, very mediocre Auburn team. So what backing is there that Bama is one of the best 4 right now besides the Georgia win?
This view doesn't have any context. The committee ranks teams based on activities and achievements though the most recent week, but not beyond. Things change from week to week, and several things changed from last week to this one.
So what happened to move Alabama from 8 to 4?
1) tOSU didn't play. They fell one game behind the rest and they also didn't earn a conference championship, which is specifically listed as one of the criteria considerations to be a CFP team. tOSU had reached the ceiling of what they were capable of, and the only way they were NOT going to drop, is if Texas and Alabama and Florida State lost.
2) Oregon lost. 2 losses, they're out. I hope nobody is advocating that Oregon should have remained ahead of Alabama?
3) Alabama beat Georgia and with both of them having the same record, but Alabama having both the H2H win and a conference championship, the Tide moved ahead of Georgia. Again, both of the bolded are specific criteria that the committee lists as being considered for making the CFP.
So that brings them up to 5, in an obvious and non-controversial way, IMO.
So again, the only controversy, is how did they move from 5, to 4, ahead of Florida State?
And I'd say THAT question has been pretty thoroughly debated.
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The fact that FSU is a 13.5 point dog to UGA tells me they should not be in the CFP.
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So again, the only controversy, is how did they move from 5, to 4, ahead of Florida State?
And I'd say THAT question has been pretty thoroughly debated.
Not solved just debated
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The fact that FSU is a 13.5 point dog to UGA tells me they should not be in the CFP.
Auburn was a 13.5 dog to Bama.
Oregon was a 10.5 favorite over Washington
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Not solved just debated
There is no "solve." It's a matter of opinion.
So as I stated, it has been thoroughly debated.
I'm just answering the question, "How could Alabama possibly have moved from #8 to #4 in one week?"
The answer is, it's easily explainable and completely consistent and predictable, how they moved from #8 to #5. The only potential controversy, is how did they move from #5 to #4.
Y'all can beat that dead horse all you want, I have no interest in the debate.
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A 2 TD dog wins about 15% of the time, but that hardly means they are the better team. It means they aren't.
I personally don't think any team in the CFP should be more than a 7 point dog to any other team.
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A 2 TD dog wins about 15% of the time, but that hardly means they are the better team. It means they aren't.
I personally don't think any team in the CFP should be more than a 7 point dog to any other team.
If you’re even thinking about pointspreads and aligning these matchups, then you can just throw the whole thing out the window because you are now prognosticating versus letting teams earn their way in.
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The fact that FSU is a 13.5 point dog to UGA tells me they should not be in the CFP.
If we are going strictly by Vegas I’m guessing Michigan, Ohio St, Georgia, and Alabama would all be favored on a neutral field over any team in the country. We could put them in and just call it a day. Game results should matter.
What was the spread of the TCU-Michigan game last year?
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There is no "solve." It's a matter of opinion.
So as I stated, it has been thoroughly debated.
The obvious answer was throw out the Horns,dern sensitive Texan,no I kid throw out Michigan
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This view doesn't have any context. The committee ranks teams based on activities and achievements though the most recent week, but not beyond. Things change from week to week, and several things changed from last week to this one.
So what happened to move Alabama from 8 to 4?
1) tOSU didn't play. They fell one game behind the rest and they also didn't earn a conference championship, which is specifically listed as one of the criteria considerations to be a CFP team. tOSU had reached the ceiling of what they were capable of, and the only way they were NOT going to drop, is if Texas and Alabama and Florida State lost.
2) Oregon lost. 2 losses, they're out. I hope nobody is advocating that Oregon should have remained ahead of Alabama?
3) Alabama beat Georgia and with both of them having the same record, but Alabama having both the H2H win and a conference championship, the Tide moved ahead of Georgia. Again, both of the bolded are specific criteria that the committee lists as being considered for making the CFP.
So that brings them up to 5, in an obvious and non-controversial way, IMO.
So again, the only controversy, is how did they move from 5, to 4, ahead of Florida State?
And I'd say THAT question has been pretty thoroughly debated.
But it's like we are doing the eye test when it's convenient and listing activities when it's not.
If bama had to play Texas twice like Oregon had to play Washington twice would they not have 2 losses also?
Ohio State only had 1 loss and the structure of the Big 10 not having them in the Championship game is proof that bama is better because they had a win this week and OSU was sitting at home? But OSu's only loss is to #1.. Bama's only loss is to #3.
Bama almost lost to Auburn on a miracle offensive pass interference play. They skate away from Arkansas in a 3 point game. Where's Ohio State's other close game besides the Michigan loss? Notre Dame? At least they're a competent opponent.
There's plenty of circles to go round and round and what I notice the most, is the entire Bama argument rests on their most recent win and means their eye test is the best, justifying their jump in rankings based on one.. .single ... game.. while ignoring or making excuses for the rest. Sorry, but they should have lost to Auburn and that last play was garbage with Bond pushing off on the defenders helmet.. they struggled with Arkansas, A&M, Auburn..... They won the SEC title game.. that's big, but there's a reason they have been below Oregon Texas for multiple weeks with the same record because they didn't pass the eye test.
Isn't it most odd that in week 11 Ohio State was ranked #1 with eye test, they and Bama end up with 1 loss Bama is in and OSU wasn't even considered? When Osu's 1 loss is against #1?
I could write on and on, but as a UM fan.. I'm happy. This isn't a top bama team.. this is a $ bama team and Michigan has an easy path to the championship game.. an overrated bama team.
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If we are going strictly by Vegas I’m guessing Michigan, Ohio St, Georgia, and Alabama would all be favored on a neutral field over any team in the country. We could put them in and just call it a day. Game results should matter.
What was the spread of the TCU-Michigan game last year?
Every one understands upsets happen, it doesn't mean the winning team is better. If we want the "four best teams", Vegas is one way of determining that. A 14 point dog will win 15% of the time, and if they played 100 times, they'd win 15 times, ergo, they are not the better team, simple as that.
Anyway, the committee decided and it's in the books, OK with me.
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But it's like we are doing the eye test when it's convenient and listing activities when it's not.
Yep. Which strangely always seems to benefit Alabama.
But I shouldn't continue, lest I get labeled a conspiracy theorist or something...
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Vegas had FSU-Louisville has essentially a pick ‘em based largely on FSU’s uncertain QB situation. FSU still ended up winning by a margin that I think would have been pretty close to the spread had Travis been healthy.
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This is the part of the argument I simply can't wrap my head around. Last week they were the 8th best team. They beat Georgia. Big win against the team everyone thought was #1. Upsets happen. But the week before they needed a miracle to beat a very, very mediocre Auburn team. So what backing is there that Bama is one of the best 4 right now besides the Georgia win?
i mean, close calls happen? especially vs rivals. uga struggled vs auburn, mich vs maryland, washington had multiple 1 score games vs bad teams, texas as well. why are those not taken into question when bama's (and fsu's) is?
alabama's opponents had by far the best overall record (97-60 (.617)) of the top 7. second was texas @ 90-67 (.573), fsu was 77-79 (.493), last of the top7 easily. 12-1 sec champ. most top 25 wins (cfp/ap/coaches). most top 15 wins. loss is to a cfp team (not a point for 'good', but lessens the 'bad' of it).
there's a lot to say bama is a top 4 team. i'm sure there's a lot to say about most of the top 7 teams.
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tOSU is missing one extra week of data. They risked their season one fewer time. They have one fewer win and zero conference championship. Yes, that's enough to drop them behind Alabama. Of course it is. It has been this way for the entire 10 years of the CFP.
There was no way they were going to make the top 4, unless both Texas and Alabama lost, and even then they'd still have needed the switcheroo with FSU to get in, so it would just be tOSU getting in "unfairly" over FSU, rather than Alabama.
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Bama almost lost to Auburn on a miracle offensive pass interference play. They skate away from Arkansas in a 3 point game. Where's Ohio State's other close game besides the Michigan loss? Notre Dame? At least they're a competent opponent.
There's plenty of circles to go round and round and what I notice the most, is the entire Bama argument rests on their most recent win and means their eye test is the best, justifying their jump in rankings based on one.. .single ... game.. while ignoring or making excuses for the rest. Sorry, but they should have lost to Auburn and that last play was garbage with Bond pushing off on the defenders helmet.. they struggled with Arkansas, A&M, Auburn..... They won the SEC title game.. that's big, but there's a reason they have been below Oregon Texas for multiple weeks with the same record because they didn't pass the eye test.
lol, what? not even barn fans are saying this. what kind of contrived bs controversy you playing here?
miracle? yes, absolutely. opi? lol
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i mean, close calls happen? especially vs rivals. uga struggled vs auburn, mich vs maryland, washington had multiple 1 score games vs bad teams, texas as well. why are those not taken into question when bama's (and fsu's) is?
Michigan and Washington were undefeated. So was FSU. Michigan never trailed in the 2nd half this season. Texas had close games when their started QB was out.
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Boy did we ever.
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This is why "best team" needs to end.
You want the 4 best teams, don't even play the season, just look at the 247 composite talent rankings.
It should be the 4 best resumes
And I would be fine with fudging it a little to move Texas up to #3, because the field was set, and give the #1 seed (Michigan) the clearly worst team (FSU).
But damn, we were so close to a perfect CFP. Big 10 Champ (Michigan) vs. Pac 12 champ (Washington) in the Rose; and SEC Champ (Georgia) vs. either Texas or FSU in the Sugar
I would have been 100% in on that
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A game between teams like Bama/UGA/UM/OSU/Texas is going to be decided more often than not by the unpredictable, turnovers in particular, a field goal attempt that hits an upright, maybe a questionable call, some ST play. The outcome in my view doesn't determine the better team, it simply is who won. I thought Ohio State outplayed UGA last year, until the very end.
Is Oklahoma better than Texas this season? No.
Is the current FSU team anywhere near the teams cited above? In my view, not at all. Anyway, it's a done deal.
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Michigan and Washington were undefeated. So was FSU. Michigan never trailed in the 2nd half this season. Texas had close games when their started QB was out.
then don't use close game vs auburn as argument. use the loss. it's a really strong argument for bama being left out. but that's a different discussion.
the premise being discussed was how can bama be considered top 4 when they had a close game vs a mediocre auburn. and the argument against that is because everyone had close games vs mediocre opponents. and everyone, including bama, won those close games vs mediocre opponents. that's a faulty argument for why bama shouldn't be top 4.
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This is why "best team" needs to end.
You want the 4 best teams, don't even play the season, just look at the 247 composite talent rankings.
Well, nobody woud agree of course, and for good reason. Coaching is a big factor in CFB. Some talented teams struggle, have injuries, dubious coaching, etc.
You gather data over the year and reach an OPINION about the 4, or 12, best teams.
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lol, what? not even barn fans are saying this. what kind of contrived bs controversy you playing here?
miracle? yes, absolutely. opi? lol
https://twitter.com/SECNetwork/status/1729942294520869365/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1729942294520869365¤tTweetUser=SECNetwork¤tTweet=1729942294520869365¤tTweetUser=SECNetwork¤tTweet=1729942294520869365¤tTweetUser=SECNetwork¤tTweet=1729942294520869365¤tTweetUser=SECNetwork
maybe pushing off of someone’s face ain’t Pi in the SeC. I only know Big Ten guidelines.
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This is why "best team" needs to end.
You want the 4 best teams, don't even play the season, just look at the 247 composite talent rankings.
It should be the 4 best resumes
And I would be fine with fudging it a little to move Texas up to #3, because the field was set, and give the #1 seed (Michigan) the clearly worst team (FSU).
But damn, we were so close to a perfect CFP. Big 10 Champ (Michigan) vs. Pac 12 champ (Washington) in the Rose; and SEC Champ (Georgia) vs. either Texas or FSU in the Sugar
I would have been 100% in on that
people acting like there aren't 5 teams deserving are incredible to me. misplacing the anger on bama instead of the shit situation the conferences put themselves in.
mich is an undefeated b1g champion.
washington is an undefeated pac champion.
fsu is an undefeated acc champion.
texas is a 1-loss bigxii champion.
bama is a 1-loss sec champion.
it's not that bama or fsu or any of them are undeserving based on resumes or anything, it's the whole system is fubar and someone (fsu) got f-ed. don't be pissed at your friend for getting the last piece of cake, be pissed at the party planners for not getting enough to begin with.
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the premise being discussed was how can bama be considered top 4 when they had a close game vs a mediocre auburn. and the argument against that is because everyone had close games vs mediocre opponents. and everyone, including bama, won those close games vs mediocre opponents. that's a faulty argument for why bama shouldn't be top 4.
I didn't realize I listed their only mediocre game against Auburn.
i mean, close calls happen? especially vs rivals. uga struggled vs auburn, mich vs maryland, washington had multiple 1 score games vs bad teams, texas as well. why are those not taken into question when bama's (and fsu's) is?
And your specific question was why isn't Washington's and Michigan's close games considered like bama's.. well because those teams were undefeated. Texas I understand questioning it.. but again, they beat Bama so they automatically trump Bama. I simply don't get the justification of jumping FSU. if FSU was taken out of the picture, I don't get how Bama v OSU resume and eye test wasn't a bigger topic.. and that's coming from someone that talks bad about OSU often.
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But damn, we were so close to a perfect CFP. Big 10 Champ (Michigan) vs. Pac 12 champ (Washington) in the Rose; and SEC Champ (Georgia) vs. either Texas or FSU in the Sugar
I would have been 100% in on that
I blame Georgia
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maybe pushing off of someone’s face ain’t Pi in the SeC. I only know Big Ten guidelines.
lol
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it's not that bama or fsu or any of them are undeserving based on resumes or anything, it's the whole system is fubar and someone (fsu) got f-ed. don't be pissed at your friend for getting the last piece of cake, be pissed at the party planners for not getting enough to begin with.
People aren't pissed at Bama fans. Hope it doesn't come across that way. I'm certainly ruffling feathers and it's not intended to be disrespectful to you and sorry if it is.
And your message above is so close. The difference is, there was one piece of cake left and the party planners gave it to the friend that buys more expensive presents that was second in line over the friend that brings cheaper presents but was first in line.
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I didn't realize I listed their only mediocre game against Auburn.
And your specific question was why isn't Washington's and Michigan's close games considered like bama's.. well because those teams were undefeated. Texas I understand questioning it.. but again, they beat Bama so they automatically trump Bama. I simply don't get the justification of jumping FSU. if FSU was taken out of the picture, I don't get how Bama v OSU resume and eye test wasn't a bigger topic.. and that's coming from someone that talks bad about OSU often.
this was you're original post:
This is the part of the argument I simply can't wrap my head around. Last week they were the 8th best team. They beat Georgia. Big win against the team everyone thought was #1. Upsets happen. But the week before they needed a miracle to beat a very, very mediocre Auburn team. So what backing is there that Bama is one of the best 4 right now besides the Georgia win?
to which i responded with all of them had close games.
again, close games vs mediocre opponents is a weak argument against bama because they ALL had close games. and they all pulled them out.
stick with the undefeated and texas h2h. it's a great argument. i even agree with it. that's the easiest, least controversial decision that could have been made.
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Every team has a blemish along the way. Sometimes it's a close miracle win, sometimes it's a loss. We all know why.
Next year is going to be crazy insane bizarre ridiculous.
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This is why "best team" needs to end.
You want the 4 best teams, don't even play the season, just look at the 247 composite talent rankings.
It should be the 4 best resumes
And I would be fine with fudging it a little to move Texas up to #3, because the field was set, and give the #1 seed (Michigan) the clearly worst team (FSU).
But damn, we were so close to a perfect CFP. Big 10 Champ (Michigan) vs. Pac 12 champ (Washington) in the Rose; and SEC Champ (Georgia) vs. either Texas or FSU in the Sugar
I would have been 100% in on that
You lost me. It is the Big Ten Champ, the Pac 12 Champ, The SEC Champ and either Texas or FSU in the Sugar. Is your objection with the fact Mich is playing Alabama in the first game instead of Wash?
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People aren't pissed at Bama fans. Hope it doesn't come across that way. I'm certainly ruffling feathers and it's not intended to be disrespectful to you and sorry if it is.
And your message above is so close. The difference is, there was one piece of cake left and the party planners gave it to the friend that buys more expensive presents that was second in line over the friend that brings cheaper presents but was first in line.
nah, this board is mostly fine. rest of the interwebs is losing their shit though, lol. lot of talking heads as well. but even this thread has a few talking points of hate toward bama that's unwarranted. like someone suggesting bama always gets benefit of doubt.
also, this fsu isn't that far removed from bama in cfb royalty. we aren't talking boise or other g5 or something. fsu vs bama tv draw and money draw cant be materially different.
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people acting like there aren't 5 teams deserving are incredible to me. misplacing the anger on bama instead of the shit situation the conferences put themselves in.
mich is an undefeated b1g champion.
washington is an undefeated pac champion.
fsu is an undefeated acc champion.
texas is a 1-loss bigxii champion.
bama is a 1-loss sec champion.
it's not that bama or fsu or any of them are undeserving based on resumes or anything, it's the whole system is fubar and someone (fsu) got f-ed. don't be pissed at your friend for getting the last piece of cake, be pissed at the party planners for not getting enough to begin with.
Nobody is pissed at Alabama fans. If FSU had scheduled an OOC like Georgia or Michigan, I'd be fine with it. They scheduled 2 SEC teams as OOC opponents, then ran the table in a P5 conference. They literally could not have done anything more. Like I said, if you aren't judging by resume, then just put in the 247 composite rankings. Those are the 4 best teams. The games are meaningless
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You lost me. It is the Big Ten Champ, the Pac 12 Champ, The SEC Champ and either Texas or FSU in the Sugar. Is your objection with the fact Mich is playing Alabama in the first game instead of Wash?
Yeah I didn't really follow that one either?
And having Texas play Georgia in the SEC-owned Sugar Bowl doesn't sound exactly like the "perfect" CFP to me. Granted, we beat them the last time we played them there, but CD has assured me that Georgia didn't want to be there. ;)
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Nobody is pissed at Alabama fans. If FSU had scheduled an OOC like Georgia or Michigan, I'd be fine with it. They scheduled 2 SEC teams as OOC opponents, then ran the table in a P5 conference. They literally could not have done anything more. Like I said, if you aren't judging by resume, then just put in the 247 composite rankings. Those are the 4 best teams. The games are meaningless
247 composite rankings include aTm. those aren't the 4 best teams, they're not the 4 most talented teams.
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You lost me. It is the Big Ten Champ, the Pac 12 Champ, The SEC Champ and either Texas or FSU in the Sugar. Is your objection with the fact Mich is playing Alabama in the first game instead of Wash?
Just that it would have been the perfect confluence of old and new. It would have been a Rose and Sugar Bowl that both felt real, and had meaning. Once Georgia lost, that was out the window.
I always wanted a lightly seeded playoff where you had the 5 P5 champs, best Group of 5 team, and 2 best at larges. Big 10 champ vs. Pac 12 champ in the Rose, SEC Champ to the Sugar, Big XII to the Fiesta, ACC to the Orange. Then you seed the other 3 and place them appropriately into the Sugar, Fiesta and Orange. So you get 4 real bowl games, then a seeded 4 team playoff.
#1 Michigan vs. #2 Washington in the quarterfinals, so be it
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247 composite rankings include aTm. those aren't the 4 best teams, they're not the 4 most talented teams.
Coaching matters. Getting the right bounces matters. I'm not arguing for that, I'm saying once you go "best" teams, you open yourself up to a world of stupid, and a world where results don't matter. It should be 4 best resumes, end of discussion
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I'd note that UGA scheduled to play at Oklahoma and at Georgia Tech OOC.
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Nobody is pissed at Alabama fans. If FSU had scheduled an OOC like Georgia or Michigan, I'd be fine with it. They scheduled 2 SEC teams as OOC opponents, then ran the table in a P5 conference. They literally could not have done anything more. Like I said, if you aren't judging by resume, then just put in the 247 composite rankings. Those are the 4 best teams. The games are meaningless
also, i didn't say bama fans, i said bama. like bama, the team, isn't deserving. 12-1 sec champs, most top 25 wins, most top 15 wins.
this does NOT refute anything about the other 4 also being deserving. someone deserving was going to get left out. i thought it'd be bama. i even agree with some of the arguments. but those aren't the ONLY arguments, and they also don't mean bama isn't deserving in their own right.
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I'd note that UGA scheduled to play at Oklahoma and at Georgia Tech OOC.
Yeah I don't blame Georgia for trying to duck good competition, they were forced to reschedule due to circumstances beyond their control. If the Texas-Alabama series had been one year later, same thing would have happened.
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As I understand the 12-team model we are going to next year (correct me if I'm wrong) the teams would be:
- #1 Michigan B1G Champion
- #2 Washington, P12 Champion
- #3 Texas, B12 Champion
- #4 Bama, SEC Champion
- #5 FSU, ACC Champion
- #6 Georgia, at-large
- #7 Ohio State, at-large
- #8 Oregon, at-large
- #9 Mizzou, at-large
- #10 Penn State, at-large
- #11 Ole Miss, at-large
- #23 Liberty, whatever league they are in
I was thinking about this and with the 12-team model and auto-bids coming next year I think it is a mistake for the league to eliminate divisions.
Consider this season, going into CG weekend the B1G had the following relevant teams:
- #2 Michigan 12-0
- #6 Ohio State 11-1
- #10 Penn State 10-2
- #16 Iowa 10-2
In a 12-team model, Michigan playing Iowa is actually ideal. Ohio State and Penn State are in and there are benefits to either result of the M/Iowa game:
- If Iowa wins they get an auto-bid and the league puts four teams in the playoff. **
- If Michigan wins they finish top-4 and get a bye.
If Michigan plays Ohio State again not much good can come of it for the league as a whole:
- A Michigan win confirms their top-4 status and bye but might knock Ohio State out. Also, if Ohio State had lost another game then a second loss to Michigan to drop them to 10-3 would almost certainly knock them out except that makes no sense since they'd still have had the same regular season record and a H2H win over PSU. Functionally the league might wind up knocking out it's own second best team.
- An Ohio State win probably isn't enough to get the Buckeyes to the top-4 so both tOSU and M finish 12-1 and neither of them gets a top-4 slot with a bye. Instead the league as a whole gets three teams (tOSU, M, PSU) between #5-8.
**My theory here using this year as the example but with a 12-team playoff with auto-bids. Assuming Iowa knocks off Michigan I think the playoff teams would be:
- #1 Washington, P12 Champion
- #2 Texas, B12 Champion
- #3 Bama, SEC Champion
- #4 FSU, ACC Champion
- #5 UGA, at-large
- #6 Michigan, at-large
- #7 Ohio State, at-large
- #8 Oregon, at-large
- #9 Mizzou, at-large
- #10 Penn State, at-large
- #11 Iowa, B1G Champion
- #23 Liberty, G5
So the games would be:
- Liberty at Georgia
- Iowa at Michigan
- Penn State at Ohio State
- Mizzou at Oregon
Followed by:
- Liberty/UGA vs FSU
- Iowa/M vs Bama
- PSU/tOSU vs Texas
- Mizzou/Oregon vs Washington
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Just that it would have been the perfect confluence of old and new. It would have been a Rose and Sugar Bowl that both felt real, and had meaning.
I always wanted a lightly seeded playoff where you had the 5 P5 champs, best Group of 5 team, and 2 best at larges. Big 10 champ vs. Pac 12 champ in the Rose, SEC Champ to the Sugar, Big XII to the Fiesta, ACC to the Orange. Then you seed the other 3 and place them appropriately into the Sugar, Fiesta and Orange. So you get 4 real bowl games, then a seeded 4 team playoff.
#1 Michigan vs. #2 Washington in the quarterfinals, so be it
I think the main reason Texas was not matched with Alabama in the first game was the fact weve already played each other and I can see that
I wish we could have played Mich instead cause I dont think Mich will beat Alabama and would like to play them assuming of course Texas can beat Wash which is far from a given
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Coaching matters. Getting the right bounces matters. I'm not arguing for that, I'm saying once you go "best" teams, you open yourself up to a world of stupid, and a world where results don't matter. It should be 4 best resumes, end of discussion
truth is it's some combination of best team and best resume. you have to have a comparable resume to be considered, but if there's more than 4, then of those considered, who are the best teams?
best resume is subjective too, btw. i happened to agree undefeated p5 is better, but that doesn't mean it can't be argued. depends on what you value.
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people acting like there aren't 5 teams deserving are incredible to me. misplacing the anger on bama instead of the shit situation the conferences put themselves in.
it's not that bama or fsu or any of them are undeserving based on resumes or anything, it's the whole system is fubar and someone (fsu) got f-ed. don't be pissed at your friend for getting the last piece of cake, be pissed at the party planners for not getting enough to begin with.
I'm not mad at Bama. I'm mad at the CFP committee. I think they f-ed the wrong team.
Admittedly, there's a TINY bit of me that feels like the pecking order is that the CFP rarely f's Bama--they get the benefit of the doubt at every turn while it seems like everyone else has to clear a higher bar than Bama every year.
But it's still anger at the CFP committee, not at Bama.
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best resume is subjective too, btw. i happened to agree undefeated p5 is better, but that doesn't mean it can't be argued. depends on what you value.
Like I said, if FSU had Georgia or Michigan's OOC resume, I'd be fine with it. At that point you are just punishing Alabama for playing a good OOC team. So I agree with you. But if play LSU (neutral) and Florida (road), I don't see how that's not a top 4 resume.
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Just that it would have been the perfect confluence of old and new. It would have been a Rose and Sugar Bowl that both felt real, and had meaning. Once Georgia lost, that was out the window.
I always wanted a lightly seeded playoff where you had the 5 P5 champs, best Group of 5 team, and 2 best at larges. Big 10 champ vs. Pac 12 champ in the Rose, SEC Champ to the Sugar, Big XII to the Fiesta, ACC to the Orange. Then you seed the other 3 and place them appropriately into the Sugar, Fiesta and Orange. So you get 4 real bowl games, then a seeded 4 team playoff.
#1 Michigan vs. #2 Washington in the quarterfinals, so be it
outside of the controversy...
i think there's still a lot of good story lines for the rose. bama has a ton of history with the rose bowl, and is only 2 wins shy of washington and 3 from michigan in all tie rose bowl wins.
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Next year is going to be crazy insane bizarre ridiculous.
Yes and no.
- With two teams the argument would have been between Washington and FSU for the second spot.
- With four teams the argument is between Bama and FSU for the fourth spot.
- With eight teams there isn't much of an argument, it would just be the seven undefeated and 1-loss P5's and the G5.
- With 12 teams the argument would be between Ole Miss and Oklahoma for the 12th spot.
There will always be an argument but I don't think people outside of Mississippi and Oklahoma would care much about the Ole Miss/OU question because none of us think that either of them would have a chance anyway so who cares? It is different when you are arguing about the 2nd or 4th team because there are teams in that group that just might win it all.
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I'm not mad at Bama. I'm mad at the CFP committee. I think they f-ed the wrong team.
Admittedly, there's a TINY bit of me that feels like the pecking order is that the CFP rarely f's Bama--they get the benefit of the doubt at every turn while it seems like everyone else has to clear a higher bar than Bama every year.
But it's still anger at the CFP committee, not at Bama.
that's where is should be. i won't even disagree.
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I think they got it right, the four best teams at the moment.
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me too
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Yes and no.
- With two teams the argument would have been between Washington and FSU for the second spot.
- With four teams the argument is between Bama and FSU for the fourth spot.
- With eight teams there isn't much of an argument, it would just be the seven undefeated and 1-loss P5's and the G5.
- With 12 teams the argument would be between Ole Miss and Oklahoma for the 12th spot.
There will always be an argument but I don't think people outside of Mississippi and Oklahoma would care much about the Ole Miss/OU question because none of us think that either of them would have a chance anyway so who cares? It is different when you are arguing about the 2nd or 4th team because there are teams in that group that just might win it all.
As it stands today, the top SIX conference champions get in the mix. I don't know if that changes, but it would be bizarre if it doesn't.
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You lost me. It is the Big Ten Champ, the Pac 12 Champ, The SEC Champ and either Texas or FSU in the Sugar. Is your objection with the fact Mich is playing Alabama in the first game instead of Wash?
No.
for the first time ever- there were 3 undefeated conference Champs. PAC, Big, and ACC.
5 power conferences but only 4 spots. The first 3 should be automatic- they are undefeated.
The last spot was also 2 conf champs to pick from- both at 12-1. Easy this year because they played each other. Texas won on Bama’s field.
Should have been the perfect year for the committee to just use results- easy.
But instead they decided to prognosticate the future instead of looking at results.
Nobody credibly buts this BS about FSU QB being injured. Because nobody believes that, let’s say Georgia or Michigan for example, would have been left out for the same reason.
But they wanted the SEC in there, so they prognosticated and contrived a reason.
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Admittedly, there's a TINY bit of me that feels like the pecking order is that the CFP rarely f's Bama--they get the benefit of the doubt at every turn while it seems like everyone else has to clear a higher bar than Bama every year.
Bama has earned some of this by their play on the field the past 5 seasons, 10 seasons.
Playing in the top conference, number of wins, number of conference titles, number of playoff wins, number of national titles.
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Next year is going to be crazy insane bizarre ridiculous.
No, next year is going to be boring. Top 6 conference champs automatically get in, and then you have 6 at-large selections.
This year is bad because whether the #5 team is Bama or the #5 team is FSU, both have a REALLY strong argument for inclusion. I think when we get to spot #12 vs spot #13, neither team* will have a really strong argument. This year it's Oklahoma (10-2, 3rd place in their conference overall and T-2nd in conference only record) and LSU (9-3, 3rd place in their division, and based on overall record 5th place in their conference, 3-way T-3rd in conference only record). The worst team will get multiple mulligans.
There would ABSOLUTELY not be the same level of vitriol for who is the last spot in a 12-team playoff compared to a 4-team when one of the excluded teams is an undefeated P5 conference champ.
* Looking at it, maybe it's Ole Miss vs OU since Liberty would jump the line, but either way it's the same thing.
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But they wanted the SEC in there, so they prognosticated and contrived a reason.
ding, ding, ding!!!
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No, next year is going to be boring. Top 6 conference champs automatically get in, and then you have 6 at-large selections.
which 6 conferences?
Does the MAC or AAC get a spot?
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which 6 conferences?
Does the MAC or AAC get a spot?
They said its the 6 highest ranked conference champions, and then the Pac 12 collapsed. I hope they don't change it and drown in their own greed, by accidentally forcing two mid majors in
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I think they got it right, the four best teams at the moment.
Nobody knows “best”.
millions of people thought Georgia and Oregon were the “best” just a few days ago.
There is no right answer. Just millions of opinions. Thats why you need to go by results. Not prognostication, speculation, point spreads, etc.
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Like I said, if FSU had Georgia or Michigan's OOC resume, I'd be fine with it. At that point you are just punishing Alabama for playing a good OOC team. So I agree with you. But if play LSU (neutral) and Florida (road), I don't see how that's not a top 4 resume.
first, i don't disagree. i am, at this point, playing devils advocate. mostly.
but their sos is terrible, even with those sec teams. their opponents have by far the worst record of the top 7 (only with record under .500). their signature win (lsu) is bama's 3rd. would be wash/mich/texas' 3rd as well. they have 1 win vs a team better than 8-4, and that team is 10-3 (bama/mich have 3, texas/wash have 2). bama/mich/texas/wash all have wins over teams that only loss is vs them, closest fsu comes has 2 more losses (to bad teams too).
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I think ANY of the top teams down to QB3 should be out. And I think the best team is the team that would beat everyone else more often than not, and yes, it's judgment.
I think they got it right. I understand why others disagree, which is fine.
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Bama has earned some of this by their play on the field the past 5 seasons, 10 seasons.
Playing in the top conference, number of wins, number of conference titles, number of playoff wins, number of national titles.
Yeah, but bear in mind that can be a self-fulfilling prophecy. The more mulligans Bama gets, the more chances they have to win CFP games, and each win tends to make the committee more willing to give them more mulligans.
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Yeah, but bear in mind that can be a self-fulfilling prophecy. The more mulligans Bama gets, the more chances they have to win CFP games, and each win tends to make the committee more willing to give them more mulligans.
i'm not sure it's so much a self fulfilling prophecy as it is just bama taking major advantage of those mulligans. moreso than others have when given the chance. bama isn't the only one given mulligans, nor the first. maybe the most? i don't know that.
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which 6 conferences?
Does the MAC or AAC get a spot?
Top six as measured by the CFP rankings. Which (when we had five P5 conferences) would be the P5 conference champions and the highest-ranked G5.
If the MAC or AAC champ is the highest-ranked G5 conference champ in the CFP rankings, it would be them. This year it would have gone to CUSA, as Liberty is the 6th-best ranked conference champ.
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I think ANY of the top teams down to QB3 should be out. And I think the best team is the team that would beat everyone else more often than not, and yes, it's judgment.
I think they got it right. I understand why others disagree, which is fine.
Worth noting, a team with QB3 has won a playoff. Marching through two better teams to do it.
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This is why 12 teams is going to be wild, I think. I kind of expect someone to figure out they need to change this six team thing or we'd have Oregon State with a slot at 11 and Liberty at 12.
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truth is it's some combination of best team and best resume. you have to have a comparable resume to be considered, but if there's more than 4, then of those considered, who are the best teams?
best resume is subjective too, btw. i happened to agree undefeated p5 is better, but that doesn't mean it can't be argued. depends on what you value.
This.
This is why the whole thing is fubar as you noted, and always has been, and always will be. I don't care so much about the controversy of who got in and who was left out. The committee had to pick somebody and they were going to be wrong either way. They were also going to be right either way. Because there's a case to be made for both FSU and Alabama. And sometimes they go by "four best teams" and sometimes they go by "four most deserving teams" and there's no rhyme or reason year to year, slot to slot. Literally the logic they use to justify putting one team in will reverse itself to justify putting another in/keeping another out.
The main thing I'd point out about the case for FSU is the broader point for why the whole thing is jacked. "Best team" is essentially the eye test. And here's the thing with the eye test. Nobody knows jack squat. We know what we think will happen in games where teams are in the same ballpark, but we don't. The committee is the same people who were balls deep in Oregon just the other day. Every talking head said Oregon is really better than Washington, even though Oregon lost the regular season game. Said they were more physical. Said they will win the rematch. Lulz. I could go on....there's literally as many games the general consensus gets wrong as it gets right. Amazingly, nobody ever seems to track that or remember it. "FSU would definitely lose to the other teams." GTFOH. We literally don't know, and anybody who argues with me on that, take me up on the challenge to pick big games between top teams and let me track it and show you your ~50% success rate over time.
So "most deserving team" is nothing but an exercise in the futility and hubris of 13 committee members who want to act like they have crystal balls, but don't.
But then get this. If they were to go strictly "best resume," they're still going to run into controversy, unsolvable riddles, and situations where they can't be right. (Or wrong.) Because it's still people discussing competing criteria with no objective answer which data point or points should trump others.
Everybody was mad at the BCS because of all the third teams it left out. And it was generally thought to be the voters' fault. So they went to a 4 team playoff, like that was going to solve everything. Many astute observers *ahem* said from the beginning all that would happen is controversy about the 4th spot and the 5th teams it leaves out. Which is exactly what has happened, multiple times. Now somehow people think a 12 team playoff will fix that, because....I guess because people who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. People like to say "If you aren't one of the 12 best teams you don't deserve to be in and can't whine about it." Those people are clueless. And they won't even notice their folly in the future when the jilted 13th teams who are playing really well are left out and fans think so-and-so got robbed and they definitely would've competed with anybody. Wait til a 9-3 Bama gets left out and everybody just knows that Alabama is really one of the best teams in the country and should've gotten in.
Lol, jk, Alabama is never gonna not gonna get the benefit of the doubt. But you know what I'm saying.
There is such a rush to NFL-ize everything about this sport, I can't for the life of me figure out why the powers that be can't figure out that committees and voters just need to stop. Do what the NFL does, set out criteria before the season ever starts. There is no subjectivity, no unsolvable riddles, just teams who either hit the mark or they don't. Beauty pageants have nothing to do with it. There are tie-breakers galore to be parsed out in advance so that teams who otherwise achieve equal criteria can be filtered out, just like the NFL has. The way we do it now will never quell controversy and hard feelings, and that can't be solved with expanding the playoff. Watch and see.
Although....I think the controversy, the hand-wringing, the weeping and gnashing of teeth, is exactly what ESPN wants. Nothing drives views and clicks like controversy and talking heads taking one side or the other.
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Top six as measured by the CFP rankings. Which (when we had five P5 conferences) would be the P5 conference champions and the highest-ranked G5.
If the MAC or AAC champ is the highest-ranked G5 conference champ in the CFP rankings, it would be them. This year it would have gone to CUSA, as Liberty is the 6th-best ranked conference champ.
so, a good chance for more drama from the committee?
great
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FWIW, FSU also finished ahead of both Alabama and Texas in SOR, and based on SP+, the ONLY top 5 team in the CFP is Michigan
Updated SOR/SP+ Playoff
- #1 MICHIGAN vs. #4 OHIO STATE
- #2 Washington vs. #3 Florida State
2024 12 team format
- #12 Liberty at #5 OHIO STATE; winner vs. #4 Alabama
- #11 Missouri at #6 Georgia; winner vs. #3 Florida State
- #10 Ole Miss at #7 Texas; winner vs. #2 Washington
- #9 PENN STATE at #8 Oregon; winner vs. #1 MICHIGAN
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All I know is no matter where my team slots in or doesn’t on any given week, I’ll aim to enjoy watching them get after it (and be mad when they underperform).
Good to start by enjoying the games, let the rest handle itself.
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Those SOR calculations are really loopy, they're so totally disconnected from SOS.
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Those SOR calculations are really loopy, they're so totally disconnected from SOS.
I think SoS is often misleading depending on how it's done. You might have played a 10-2 G5 team and gotten a boost.
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tOSU is missing one extra week of data. They risked their season one fewer time. They have one fewer win and zero conference championship. Yes, that's enough to drop them behind Alabama. Of course it is. It has been this way for the entire 10 years of the CFP.
There was no way they were going to make the top 4, unless both Texas and Alabama lost, and even then they'd still have needed the switcheroo with FSU to get in, so it would just be tOSU getting in "unfairly" over FSU, rather than Alabama.
Umm who are you arguing with? I haven't seen any Buckeye Fans suggest they should be in the CFB POs.Except for the nut jobs but clearly there aren't any of those around here!!!
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Those SOR calculations are really loopy, they're so totally disconnected from SOS.
sos calculations can be really wonky too. can't remember if it was sagarin or connely or massey or who, but about a decade ago one of them routinely had all 10 of the top 10 from the same conference. it rotated between pac and big xii due to the 9 game conf schedule i think, but i'll never buy that all 10 of the top sos are from the same conference.
computer ratings, while consistent and repeatable, are NOT purely objective. the importance of the data going into them is a subjective measure, and thus the results of those measurements will have at least some degree of subjectivity. they benefit is that at least you know the subjectivity prior to seeing the results.
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Those SOR calculations are really loopy, they're so totally disconnected from SOS.
SP+ has Georgia #2, OSU #3, PSU #4, Oregon #5
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SP+ has Georgia #2, OSU #3, PSU #4, Oregon #5
I know. Like I said, wonky.
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Umm who are you arguing with? I haven't seen any Buckeye Fans suggest they should be in the CFB POs.Except for the nut jobs but clearly there aren't any of those around here!!!
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Huh? I didn't say any Buckeye fans were suggesting this. Don't be so defensive, people will think you're a Texan. ;)
I was responding to SuperMario who was wondering why Alabama got moved ahead of tOSU in the final rankings.
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I know. Like I said, wonky.
So anti SOR and SP+. Hate the resume metrics, hate the predictive metrics. Love the ESPN eyeball metrics?
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I figure within 12 games a top team plays, 4-6 of them are basically useless indicators of anything. Let's say 6, and then the other 6 include 3 teams that could have a fighting chance on a given day, and 3 that are pretty decent teams. I'm talking about spreads in the first 6 being 25+, the second 3 is around 14, and then the last three are about 7-10. I'd throw out any data from the first 6 bad teams and focus on the 6 teams with a heartbeat.
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So anti SOR and SP+. Hate the resume metrics, hate the predictive metrics. Love the ESPN eyeball metrics?
Huh? Why are you trying to put words into my mouth? Are you confusing me with someone else?
I've never made any arguments against resume', or strict W/L SOS metrics.
In the context of FBS college football, "predictive" metrics have the inherent problem of a lack of "linked" data. There are too few data points overall, and too few common data points, for them to hold much meaning.
And on the ESPN eyeball test? Yeah, no. You've never once heard me defend that.
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I posted SOR, and you said those are loopy. So then I posted SP+, and you said "like I said"
IMO, those are the best resume and best predictive metrics, and you didn't like either of them
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I was responding to SuperMario who was wondering why Alabama got moved ahead of tOSU in the final rankings.
Nubbz, to give you some context, I was knocking the eye test reasoning of Bama being in. Saying if Bama is simply getting it because of the eye test over FSU that was undefeated and won their conference, why wouldn't OSU be in the talk because of the eye test. Throw out record.. throw out conference championship.. simply "eye test" of being top 4, which is the BS reason being used.. So why wasn't OSU at least in the convo since their only loss was to #1 and their eye test looked stronger to those that watched OSU enough.
Isn't it most odd that in week 11 Ohio State was ranked #1 with eye test, they and Bama end up with 1 loss Bama is in and OSU wasn't even considered? When Osu's 1 loss is against #1?
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It really was the easiest selection ever. It didn't require eyeball tests, advanced metrics, some made up stupid formula written down by a blogger or anything. 3 undefeated teams, all w/ decent schedules w/ the 11-1 team winning their conference and beating the other conference winner.
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I posted SOR, and you said those are loopy. So then I posted SP+, and you said "like I said"
IMO, those are the best resume and best predictive metrics, and you didn't like either of them
Lots of other ways to do SOS and resume'.
Straight SOS via your team's W/L and the W/L of your opponents (removing FCS of course).
Wins over number of teams with winning records.
Wins over number of teams that are bowl-bound.
All are objective without requiring statistical calculation using a poor data set.
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Nobody knows “best”.
millions of people thought Georgia and Oregon were the “best” just a few days ago.
There is no right answer. Just millions of opinions. Thats why you need to go by results. Not prognostication, speculation, point spreads, etc.
100%. Results on the actual football field in the actual games should matter most. If we only care about point spread Vegas favorites, why even play the god damn games?
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So have we decided that the CFP participants WERE selected with the idea of television rating desirability in mind?
Because a week ago I was assured by this message board that the committee was completely disconnected from any motivations associated with television ratings...
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Like I said, if FSU had Georgia or Michigan's OOC resume, I'd be fine with it. At that point you are just punishing Alabama for playing a good OOC team. So I agree with you. But if play LSU (neutral) and Florida (road), I don't see how that's not a top 4 resume.
100%. FSU basically just proved Michigan right in that it makes the most sense to play only cupcake OOC games. FSU played two big-time helmet-ish SEC programs away from Tallahassee, won both games handedly, and basically got nothing to show for it.
FSU straight up got fcking screwed.
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So have we decided that the CFP participants WERE selected with the idea of television rating desirability in mind?
Because a week ago I was assured by this message board that the committee was completely disconnected from any motivations associated with television ratings...
it's all about tv ratings and the $$$$$ those ratings bring in. it's all this whore-ish sport has become honestly.
BAMA, Texas, and Michigan are probably 3 of the top 5 biggest tv draws along with Ohio State and ND. Would've been the TV execs wet dream if OSU or ND had been one of the 4 teams instead of Washington.
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100%. FSU basically just proved Michigan right in that it makes the most sense to play only cupcake OOC games. FSU played two big-time helmet-ish SEC programs away from Tallahassee, won both games handedly, and basically got nothing to show for it.
FSU straight up got fcking screwed.
conversely, bama proved opposite. schedule and played a tough, good ooc team, and wasn't punished for it.
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It really was the easiest selection ever. It didn't require eyeball tests, advanced metrics, some made up stupid formula written down by a blogger or anything. 3 undefeated teams, all w/ decent schedules w/ the 11-1 team winning their conference and beating the other conference winner.
should've been the easiest ever, and they blew it....oh well.
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Lots of other ways to do SOS and resume'.
Straight SOS via your team's W/L and the W/L of your opponents (removing FCS of course).
Wins over number of teams with winning records.
Wins over number of teams that are bowl-bound.
All are objective without requiring statistical calculation using a poor data set.
wut
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conversely, bama proved opposite. schedule and played a tough, good ooc team, and wasn't punished for it.
But be in the conference that the network that paid billions to televise their games and the CFP are in
If FSU, Clemson, UNC, and whatever lucky other teams weren't jumping before, they sure as hell are now
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it's all about tv ratings and the $$$$$ those ratings bring in. it's all this whore-ish sport has become honestly.
BAMA, Texas, and Michigan are probably 3 of the top 5 biggest tv draws along with Ohio State and ND. Would've been the TV execs wet dream if OSU or ND had been one of the 4 teams instead of Washington.
i won't argue much cause i genuinely don't know.
is bama that much of a bigger draw over an undefeated fsu? they're a top 10-15 program all time.
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i won't argue much cause i genuinely don't know.
is bama that much of a bigger draw over an undefeated fsu? they're a top 10-15 program all time.
All time? They are like on par with MSU. Past 30 years, for sure. But they are still the 2nd best draw in their own state. Alabama, Texas and Michigan are 3 of the top 5 draws in the sport. Plus its on NYD, so people are at home, not at bars, like when its NYE, and I think the numbers are going to blow every other CFP away
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But be in the conference that the network that paid billions to televise their games and the CFP are in
If FSU, Clemson, UNC, and whatever lucky other teams weren't jumping before, they sure as hell are now
don't acc have tv deal with espn too?
i mean i get why fsu/clemson/etc would want to jump, but explain to me why espn cares if it's acc vs sec when they have both deals?
i would get wanting bama over fsu, if it's a big enough difference. i'm not certain it is, but i could be wrong. other than that, i don't get why espn cares. they already have both.
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All time? They are like on par with MSU. Past 30 years, for sure. But they are still the 2nd best draw in their own state. Alabama, Texas and Michigan are 3 of the top 5 draws in the sport. Plus its on NYD, so people are at home, not at bars, like when its NYE, and I think the numbers are going to blow every other CFP away
today, when asked top programs, vast majority of fans will have fsu around the 10-15 range. am i wrong on that?
you don't think an undefeated fsu vs mich has a similar vibe and draw? maybe i'm wrong, but i get feeling people have a ton of respect for fsu as a program and would watch a major matchup like that, just like bama/mich. maybe slightly less, but not materially. maybe i'm too close to fsu country and its skewing my view.
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today, when asked top programs, vast majority of fans will have fsu around the 10-15 range. am i wrong on that?
Ask Jimbo.
But sure, based on accomplishments. Based on fan base, no. Just like how Alabama, Texas and Michigan are still draws when they are down. It's not simply how good the program.
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https://twitter.com/jordantrav13/status/1731373727676256647?s=20
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So have we decided that the CFP participants WERE selected with the idea of television rating desirability in mind?
Because a week ago I was assured by this message board that the committee was completely disconnected from any motivations associated with television ratings...
Not sure about TV. …..
But I was one of the naïve ones who thought that because this was the easiest year to pick the four teams, they would simply follow the same rules they always claim to follow. I didn’t think they would have the audacity to kick out an undefeated conference champion.
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check the ACC's deal with ESPN compared to the SEC's deal
bingo!
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it's all about tv ratings and the $$$$$ those ratings bring in. it's all this whore-ish sport has become honestly.
BAMA, Texas, and Michigan are probably 3 of the top 5 biggest tv draws along with Ohio State and ND. Would've been the TV execs wet dream if OSU or ND had been one of the 4 teams instead of Washington.
So, this is a really popular sentiment I see and hear all the time. The selection committee is made up of 13 really busy people who, as far as I know, are fairly well respected among their peers.
Is there a suggestion that ESPN executives are going into these meetings and saying, “Ok, here’s what we need…”. Because the suggestion is the whole thing is a sham. If it’s a sham these people are in on it or being bribed or something.
Why does Jim Grobe care about ESPN’s ratings? Or Kelly Whiteside? Or Will Shields? The committee has changed several times over the last few years. Was Barry Alvarez in on it when he was on the committee? Condoleeza Rice? No one ever out and out ever accuses these people of being crooked. It’s always nameless, faceless ESPN suits. But they couldn’t do it by themselves. The committee would have to be part of it.
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I don't think the ESPN ratings thing has an iota of influence in any of this.
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conversely, bama proved opposite. schedule and played a tough, good ooc team, and wasn't punished for it.
Texas even more than that. If Texas had the exact same 12-1, B12 Champions, lost to Oklahoma situation but they had beaten Alabama A&M instead of the Tide, Texas would be out and FSU in.
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Is there a suggestion that ESPN executives are going into these meetings and saying, “Ok, here’s what we need…”. Because the suggestion is the whole thing is a sham. If it’s a sham these people are in on it or being bribed or something.
Going into the meetings? No
Talking to them beforehand? Absolutely, and its naive to think they are paying billions of dollars to have zero influence
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Texas even more than that. If Texas had the exact same 12-1, B12 Champions, lost to Oklahoma situation but they had beaten Alabama A&M instead of the Tide, Texas would be out and FSU in.
Yup.
Texas this year, proves that scheduling a tough OOC is important and helpful.
FSU this year, proves that scheduling a tough OOC is irrelevant and unhelpful.
So, where does that leave us?
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Ask Jimbo.
But sure, based on accomplishments. Based on fan base, no. Just like how Alabama, Texas and Michigan are still draws when they are down. It's not simply how good the program.
in 2014 bama/osu played in sugar bowl and fsu/oregon in rose. both were cfp semis. bama/osu drew 15.2 rating, oregon/fsu 14.8. not materially different, despite 1 game having 2 of top 5 all time and 'biggest' programs, while the other had top 10-15ish teams.
2015, fsu game bowl draws 3.7, despite not being cfp game and vs houston. bama, in playoff game, draws 9.6. significant difference, but more so about the cfp than teams.
2016 fsu, non cfp game, draws 6.2 (vs mich), bama in the cfp draws 10.7.
prior to cfp...
2013 fsu/au bcs title drew 14.8, bama/oklahoma drew 9.3
2012 fsu/n ill drew 6.1, bama/nd 15.1
these don't seem materially different. the individual differences are due to either the importance of the game (bcs title/cfp vs regular bcs bowl) and a couple of g5 opponents for fsu. the 1 time they had comparable bowls/opponents (2014), it was damn near identical.
edit for source:
https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-playoff-ratings-bcs-history/
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Going into the meetings? No
Talking to them beforehand? Absolutely, and its naive to think they are paying billions of dollars to have zero influence
Yup.
ESPN owns the CFP. ESPN invested something like $3 BILLION in the first iteration of the CFP. And the Selection Committee serves no one other than the CFP.
There is no salary but the CFP pays for their travel to and from their meetings, pays for their hotels, pays for any other expenses, and pay for any other perks. So that means ESPN is paying the selection committee members for all of that.
I think it's naive to believe that ESPN is not attempting to exert influence. Are they doing so effectively? Dunno. Are they at least attempting to do so? Yeah, of course they are. They invested $3 BILLION into it.
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Yup.
Texas this year, proves that scheduling a tough OOC is important and helpful.
FSU this year, proves that scheduling a tough OOC is irrelevant and unhelpful.
So, where does that leave us?
It leaves me hoping we quit opening our seasons with FSU.
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Yup.
Texas this year, proves that scheduling a tough OOC Bama is important and helpful.
FSU this year, proves that scheduling a tough OOC is irrelevant and unhelpful.
So, where does that leave us?
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Yup.
Texas this year, proves that scheduling a tough OOC is important and helpful.
FSU this year, proves that scheduling a tough OOC is irrelevant and unhelpful.
So, where does that leave us?
Needing a 64 team bracket
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in 2014 bama/osu played in sugar bowl and fsu/oregon in rose. both were cfp semis. bama/osu drew 15.2 rating, oregon/fsu 14.8. not materially different, despite 1 game having 2 of top 5 all time and 'biggest' programs, while the other had top 10-15ish teams.
2015, fsu game bowl draws 3.7, despite not being cfp game and vs houston. bama, in playoff game, draws 9.6. significant difference, but more so about the cfp than teams.
2016 fsu, non cfp game, draws 6.2 (vs mich), bama in the cfp draws 10.7.
prior to cfp...
2013 fsu/au bcs title drew 14.8, bama/oklahoma drew 9.3
2012 fsu/n ill drew 6.1, bama/nd 15.1
these don't seem materially different. the individual differences are due to either the importance of the game (bcs title/cfp vs regular bcs bowl) and a couple of g5 opponents for fsu. the 1 time they had comparable bowls/opponents (2014), it was damn near identical.
edit for source:
https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-playoff-ratings-bcs-history/
You could also compare just this year's TV ratings for a common opponent.
(https://i.imgur.com/91VCCkp.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/c7RGW1P.png)
So clearly Alabama is the bigger draw.
Oh, wait... :)
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What I don't understand is how Michigan was the 1 seed in the CFP after the Zinter injury. I mean, if the CFP committee is taking key injuries into account.
The top 4 should have been reordered. Here's what the CFP probably should have done/said:
- Bama: I mean, we *ALL* know it. Uhh, they have Saban. They beat #1 Georgia. Roll Tide!
- Texas: I mean, they beat Bama! But they're behind Bama, b/c they haven't won a title since 2005. Flash in the pan.
- Michigan: I mean, that key OL injury, and having to compete without knowing your opposing team's signs? Gotta downgrade based on that.
- Washington: They might be good, but their games were on so late in the Eastern time zone that we didn't really watch any of them. We just checked the box scores on Sunday morning. So they're #4. Stupid West Coast football. They have to move to the Big Ten if they want anyone to watch them.
There. Much better.
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Going into the meetings? No
Talking to them beforehand? Absolutely, and its naive to think they are paying billions of dollars to have zero influence
I guess my question is do you think there is anything crooked going on? Are people in the room comprising their principles? Are they voting their conscience only to have an ESPN suit “Eh, we need to talk about this final 4.”
Because I think that is strongly suggested and believed by a lot of people.
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Not an iota of influence. The downside risk is enormous. The upside is minimal.
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Not an iota of influence. The downside risk is enormous. The upside is minimal.
What, do you suppose, is the "downside risk?"
That people will accuse them of exerting influence but be incapable of doing anything about it?
That's already the status quo. No risk 'tall.
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What, do you suppose, is the "downside risk?"
That people will accuse them of exerting influence but be incapable of doing anything about it?
That's already the status quo. No risk 'tall.
if there really is some backdoor handshakes going on, and they got caught, there's got to be some major anti-trust type lawsuits waiting to go.
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having said that, they're definitely trying to influence it just through the talking heads if nothing else. i think that's mostly the extent of it, but that's just my opinion.
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if there really is some backdoor handshakes going on, and they got caught, there's got to be some major anti-trust type lawsuits waiting to go.
Not sure how they'd get caught. Anyone involved would have major incentive to keep quiet.
Anyway, as I've demonstrated, Alabama actually pulls FEWER viewers than Florida State, so that can't be it. :)
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Not sure how they'd get caught. Anyone involved would have major incentive to keep quiet.
Anyway, as I've demonstrated, Alabama actually pulls FEWER viewers than Florida State, so that can't be it. :)
hey, i don't give a shit how many watch us, as long as i can.
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hey, i don't give a shit how many watch us, as long as i can.
Amen, brutha!
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I see the ESPN/ABC?SEC influence with the committee similar to the Judge instructing the jury before deliberation
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You could also compare just this year's TV ratings for a common opponent.
(https://i.imgur.com/91VCCkp.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/c7RGW1P.png)
So clearly Alabama is the bigger draw.
Oh, wait... :)
Damn, so LSU as the only college football game of the entire day, on a Sunday, in a slot where the NFL puts their prime TV draw, barely outdrew a Saturday split audience? Definely point proven.
LSU-Alabama was the 3rd highest rated Saturday night primetime game of the year, behind OSU-ND and Colorado-CSU (vomit)
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Ah so Colorado and CSU also draw better than Alabama? Man things get curiouser and curiouser...
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Ah so Colorado and CSU also draw better than Alabama? Man things get curiouser and curiouser...
Oh, you don't think Colorado would have been in at 11-1? They absolutely would have. There's a reason the networks sent their studios around the country following him.
It's not some wild conspiracy. It's a billion dollar industry, built on the backs of tv money. They don't pay that kind of money just to see what kind of games fall in their laps. Hell I remember MSU's best Dantonio team (to that point) getting sent to the Outback Bowl, because a Michigan team that didn't beat a single ranked team all year was good for the first time in like 4 years, and lost to MSU, was picked to the Sugar Bowl. Do you think the tv networks stopped caring because the CFP has "title implications"? They don't give two shits about the intregity of anything. They paid billions of dollars for eyeballs
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Awful lot of posts, none of which suggest "Jordan Travis is out, and FSU is no longer worthy of a playoff spot."
Weird.
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Awful lot of posts, none of which suggest "Jordan Travis is out, and FSU is no longer worthy of a playoff spot."
Weird.
Honestly, like someone pointed out earlier, this was easy. You had three undefeated champs and then two other champs that played each other. They got suckered by trying to use their imaginations instead of the games, which is always dicey. Let the games matter! It's not hard!
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Awful lot of posts, none of which suggest "Jordan Travis is out, and FSU is no longer worthy of a playoff spot."
Weird.
here's the thing....teams go on to ride a backup to championships...it's happened before will happen again.
Ever heard of Cardale Jones or Jeff Hostetler? What if the CFP committee said "oh, they lost JT Barrett, they aren't the same" or what if the NFL said "oh they lost Phil Simms, they aren't the same- we can't let them play in the Super Bowl"....
Kinda weird that things aren't being EARNED AND SETTLED ON THE FIELD.
Why play the fcking games at this point? Honestly. If it's just about Vegas spreads or "eye ball tests"?
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Awful lot of posts, none of which suggest "Jordan Travis is out, and FSU is no longer worthy of a playoff spot."
Weird.
No, every argument that resume should matter is on that side
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The "let the games matter" thing doesn't make sense. The games did matter. FSU had 2 opportunities to show their offense wasn't a dumpster fire w/o Travis, and failed both times.
Alabama beat the 2-time defending national champion, 29-game winning streak Georgia team in winning the SEC.
The games very much mattered.
The narrative ignoring that FSU kind of stinks now is a melodramatic joke.
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here's the thing....teams go on to ride a backup to championships...it's happened before will happen again.
Ever heard of Cardale Jones or Jeff Hostetler? What if the CFP committee said "oh, they lost JT Barrett, they aren't the same" or what if the NFL said "oh they lost Phil Simms, they aren't the same- we can't let them play in the Super Bowl"....
Kinda weird that things aren't being EARNED AND SETTLED ON THE FIELD.
Why play the fcking games at this point? Honestly. If it's just about Vegas spreads or "eye ball tests"?
Cardale Jones performed great in the B1GCG. If either FSU backup had done the same, they'd be in the playoff.
Bringing up the NFL is bizarre. It's comparing apples to chicken nuggets.
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Who cares if their QB was injured. The whole resume matters. If they get blasted because their starting QB was out, so be it, but they earned the chance to prove it
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The "let the games matter" thing doesn't make sense. The games did matter. FSU had 2 opportunities to show their offense wasn't a dumpster fire w/o Travis, and failed both times.
But they...won. Hence the whole part about the games mattering. You say the offense didn't look good enough. But so what - this isn't the offense contest. It's the "who gets the most points" contest. That's why they just threw the games in the toilet and instead used their imaginations.
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Cardale Jones performed great in the B1GCG. If either FSU backup had done the same, they'd be in the playoff.
Bringing up the NFL is bizarre. It's comparing apples to chicken nuggets.
Yeah why would people bring up other situations
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Anyone who thinks FSU should be out, should have also been all in on Oregon playing in the national title game in 2007 if Dennis Dixon was healthy to return. Because the fact that they were 0-3 without him are basically exhibition games. You are exclusively judged on the roster you bring to the game.
Also, if Michigan blows a big lead after McCarthy gets hurt, but hangs on and wins, these folks would also advance Alabama, because they were better than the lessened Michigan team that would be playing in the championship
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I think judging solely by wins and losses and ignoring any and all other context is childish. This outrage over FSU is peculiar.
So many people acting like Travis being out doesn't matter. It does matter. Everything concerning their team matters, to some extent.
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it's all about tv ratings and the $$$$$ those ratings bring in. it's all this whore-ish sport has become honestly.
BAMA, Texas, and Michigan are probably 3 of the top 5 biggest tv draws along with Ohio State and ND. Would've been the TV execs wet dream if OSU or ND had been one of the 4 teams instead of Washington.
I'd bet that at least many/most of those two fanbases will watch much of the POs.So not too big of a dip in the TV draw - IMO
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I think judging solely by wins and losses and ignoring any and all other context is childish. This outrage over FSU is peculiar.
So many people acting like Travis being out doesn't matter. It does matter. Everything concerning their team matters, to some extent.
If they had lost to Louisville, I wouldn't say "judge FSU by full strength FSU". I'm just saying you judge FSU by their full resume, not by what MIGHT happen
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I think judging solely by wins and losses and ignoring any and all other context is childish. This outrage over FSU is peculiar.
So many people acting like Travis being out doesn't matter. It does matter. Everything concerning their team matters, to some extent.
Yeah, we get that. The issue is the other stuff mattering over what they did on the field. Hence, the games not mattering, in favor of all the other stuff. When "other stuff" trumps what happened in the field, you are getting away from actual competition and sports and more towards a beauty contest, which is clearly what this was.
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Anyone who thinks FSU should be out, should have also been all in on Oregon playing in the national title game in 2007 if Dennis Dixon was healthy to return. Because the fact that they were 0-3 without him are basically exhibition games. You are exclusively judged on the roster you bring to the game.
Is this a genuine thought? WTF?
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Yeah, we get that. The issue is the other stuff mattering over what they did on the field. Hence, the games not mattering, in favor of all the other stuff. When "other stuff" trumps what happened in the field, you are getting away from actual competition and sports and more towards a beauty contest, which is clearly what this was.
So margin of victory should never be mentioned again, ever. FSU won, so that's that. Ignore their 10 yards of total offense in the first 28 minutes vs a shit-show Florida defense. Ignore the Noles' offense making UL's defense look like the '85 Bears until their backup RB magically hit a long run.
Doesn't matter, they won.
No more moving teams down for close games vs inferior opponents. No more comparing scores of games vs common opponents.
It's just "stuff" that should be ignored all of a sudden. Because reasons.
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I think judging solely by wins and losses and ignoring any and all other context is childish. This outrage over FSU is peculiar.
So many people acting like Travis being out doesn't matter. It does matter. Everything concerning their team matters, to some extent.
I think everyone in here knows that’s the reason the committee left them out. The fact is as recently as two weeks ago FSU beat a rival on the road more convincingly without Travis than Bama did with Milroe. And I don’t think most of us see a huge difference between Auburn and Florida this year.
Whatever any of us think of Louisville by the committee’s own rankings UL was a top 15 team. FSU beat them by 10 on a neutral field with their 3rd stringer. I think the committee was heavily influenced by how the third stringer played and he wouldn’t have even been the QB when FSU played in the playoff.
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Both the backup and 3rd-string QBs sucked ass. UL is a much better defense, because everyone this side of USC has a much better defense than Florida.
Everyone acting like the backup kid playing in the bowl matters is delusional, too. He sucks. Badly. He just sucked a little less because he was facing a much worse defense.
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But they...won. Hence the whole part about the games mattering. You say the offense didn't look good enough. But so what - this isn't the offense contest. It's the "who gets the most points" contest. That's why they just threw the games in the toilet and instead used their imaginations.
Exactly!! Dude I seriously agree with almost everything you post nowadays!
Let’s be honest, the Michigan offense looked mediocre. They lost their center and their qb has been hurt.. so maybe we should just count them out too because they aren’t the same team they were a month ago and their wins don’t matter and neither does the dominance of their offense.
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Oh, you don't think Colorado would have been in at 11-1? They absolutely would have. There's a reason the networks sent their studios around the country following him.
It's not some wild conspiracy. It's a billion dollar industry, built on the backs of tv money. They don't pay that kind of money just to see what kind of games fall in their laps. Hell I remember MSU's best Dantonio team (to that point) getting sent to the Outback Bowl, because a Michigan team that didn't beat a single ranked team all year was good for the first time in like 4 years, and lost to MSU, was picked to the Sugar Bowl. Do you think the tv networks stopped caring because the CFP has "title implications"? They don't give two shits about the intregity of anything. They paid billions of dollars for eyeballs
Dude, AAA, my longtime internet buddy-- I'm just messing around. I'm really not making any serious stance on any of this stuff.
But-- I spent most of last week telling folks that I think potential television ratings factor in to the selections the committee makes. I've made no secret about my feelings on the matter.
And yes I believe Alabama draws better than FSU when under the same circumstances. I was just funning with all that too.
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I deem it more likely you're all trolling me than genuinely believe what you're posting. It's like the twilight zone.
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I deem it more likely you're all trolling me than genuinely believe what you're posting. It's like the twilight zone.
I believe right now FSU would lose to Bama. I also would have put them in ahead of Bama. The weird thing about what I think is I’ve found out it’s not always right. The last two weeks I took Florida +6.5 against FSU and Saturday night I took UL straight up. But I’m supposed to just rank teams on what I think with full confidence? Lol. No.
It cracks me up that you will say things like “a second grader can count losses.” A second grader can also just randomly rank teams without looking at which teams actually won games or not.
Give me the rankings of a second grader who counts losses over the one who just goes by feel any day of the week.
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So margin of victory should never be mentioned again, ever. FSU won, so that's that. Ignore their 10 yards of total offense in the first 28 minutes vs a shit-show Florida defense. Ignore the Noles' offense making UL's defense look like the '85 Bears until their backup RB magically hit a long run.
Doesn't matter, they won.
No more moving teams down for close games vs inferior opponents. No more comparing scores of games vs common opponents.
It's just "stuff" that should be ignored all of a sudden. Because reasons.
Well, yeah. At the end of the day, the wins matter more than the stuff. That's the whole point. To make the winner and loser important, as opposed to judging them like figure skaters. Florida State had one of the best defensive performances of the year of any team in their championship game, and instead of congratulations they get deducted points for not nailing the triple axel.
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Awful lot of posts, none of which suggest "Jordan Travis is out, and FSU is no longer worthy of a playoff spot."
Weird.
Can't trust a backup. You remember that time that Saban benched Jalen Hurts in the middle of the national championship game for his backup, and then lost in horrible fashion?
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Well, good conversations today folks. I think we came to a consensus and resolved all of the issues. We're all in agreement.
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Well, good conversations today folks. I think we came to a consensus and resolved all of the issues. We're all in agreement.
Disagree.
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I deem it more likely you're all trolling me than genuinely believe what you're posting. It's like the twilight zone.
Has anyone said FSU should be there, because they will win?
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Is this a genuine thought? WTF?
I mean, apparently. You tell me,.you are the one who would have that thought
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Can't trust a backup. You remember that time that Saban benched Jalen Hurts in the middle of the national championship game for his backup, and then lost in horrible fashion?
You're smarter than this.
Look at what the committee did.
Week 13: FSU vs FCS Directional Tech.....Jordan Travis is hurt badly, out for the year. So there's some uncertainty there. FSU blows out the FCS team. FSU was ranked 4th, but drops down to 5th. 5th out of the 5 undefeated P5 teams left.
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Week 14: Rivalry Weekend! The Game! OSU loses to UM and drops. FSU, with their backup QB, beats Florida. The offense looks bad. But with OSU losing, FSU moves up. The committee gave FSU the benefit of the doubt here. Bad offensive showing vs a bad defense, but they got it done, and as they're prone to do, just shuffling up the zero-loss teams ahead of the 1-loss teams.
What we all may not have known here is that the committee was focusing on FSU, especially the offense, and wanted to give them the opportunity to play their way into maintaining their ranking (4th, once again).
Just look like a playoff team vs UL. Show that the offense is functional and not a dumpster fire. Earn you way in. Here's your chance.
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Week 15: FSU scores one TD. Their defense plays with its hair on fire, but FSU is half a team. They were given the benefit of the doubt the week before, but they've shown the offense is a shell of its former self.
RB Benson could have taken over, but didn't.
WR Coleman could have stepped up his game, but didn't.
The only plus was the backup RB hitting one long run.
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Two teams behind FSU were also being watched closely. One played the #1 team and the other played a lower-ranked team. Oklahoma State was ranked even below Louisville. Alabama beat #1 and Texas beat Okie State, scoring more than 1 TD. They scored 7 TDs. Played their way into the playoff.
So Bama beat the #1 team and Texas drubbed the lower-ranked team, playing well on both sides of the ball.
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Is it unfortunate that FSU lost its QB? Yes.
Would it have immensely helped if someone stepped up on offense? Yes.
Is any of this "fair"? No.
Is it some sort of bomb shelter cash handshake conspiracy? No.
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Any of the 4 teams in the playoff could win it.
You could not say that with FSU included. FSU had the chance to play their way in, and they fell short. No, their backup QB isn't appreciably better than the 3rd stringer. No, a zero in the loss column isn't a "get into the playoff free" card.
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I am truly baffled that the consensus seems to be that FSU being left out is some sort of crime against everything that is holy and good in the world.
Oh, and this:
(https://i.imgur.com/rjd4utz.jpg)
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Any of the 4 teams in the playoff could win it.
You could not say that with FSU included.
You keep saying you are baffled, but then you just say stuff like this, that you just pulled out of your ass as fact, when it obviously isn't. Anyone who has ever watched football knows this is completely false, cannot be defended, yet it gets thrown around anyway.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=sLXYjwogLhM&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2F&embeds_referring_origin=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com&source_ve_path=MjgyNDAsMzY4NDIsMjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo
I am sure Our Michigan friends here won’t like me posting this.
This is a rant- but he raises a great point. Not about UM- but about our CFB media and the sport itself. A must 5 minute listen.
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I believe right now FSU would lose to Bama. I also would have put them in ahead of Bama.
FSU is nearly a 2 TD dog to UGA. There's your sign. FSU would lose to Bama about 85% of the time.
The lines with the four teams chosen will be much closer.
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FSU is nearly a 2 TD dog to UGA. There's your sign. FSU would lose to Bama about 85% of the time.
The lines with the four teams chosen will be much closer.
What was the line between Michigan and TCU last year? that’s why the line doesn’t mean a damn thing
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I hope you don't bet on football if you think the betting line doesn't mean anything at all.
I've explained clearly what it means.
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https://twitter.com/SECShorts/status/1731674722591449327/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1731674722591449327¤tTweetUser=SECShorts
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I hope you don't bet on football if you think the betting line doesn't mean anything at all.
I've explained clearly what it means.
LOL
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If Prime would have coached FSU to that record, then they'd be in even with the injuries.
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I hope you don't bet on football if you think the betting line doesn't mean anything at all.
as far as a forecast tool it doesn't.I just got knocked out of a Survivor Pool last Night.JAX JAGS were a 10 pt chalk to the Bengals who surprise were w/o who? That's right their QB oh and they were on the road too
So you FSU doesn't belong bloviators - you're smarter than this
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FSU is nearly a 2 TD dog to UGA. There's your sign. FSU would lose to Bama about 85% of the time.
The lines with the four teams chosen will be much closer.
Georgia would be a big favorite against Washington. Probably should let them in.
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Needing a 64 team bracket
#65 is gonna be pissed!!
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There are legitimate arguments as to why FSU shouldn’t be in. The Vegas point spread isn’t one of them.
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Georgia would be a big favorite against Washington. Probably should let them in.
Exactly. OHIO STATE would be a couple point favorite over both Washington, and Texas, and probably Alabama too. let’s put them in
better yet, Michigan is favored over all of them so it’s just crown them right now
do you see how silly this is?
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It is to me, obviously, if the object is to include the best teams, not the "most deserving teams". We could include Missouri or Iowa or Ole Miss and get a similar point spread.
The spread is one means of evaluating the apparent competence of a team relative to another.
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It is to me, obviously, if the object is to include the best teams, not the "most deserving teams". We could include Missouri or Iowa or Ole Miss and get a similar point spread.
The spread is one means of evaluating the apparent competence of a team relative to another.
No. It really isn’t. “ best” - when referring to a future event is nothing more than an opinion and can’t be right or wrong. it’s just a concept or an adjective.
“ best” - when referring to past events, such as “who did the best job of winning the most games and winning their conference“ is a factual thing.
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In my opinion, it clearly is. I also think the committee isn't using such logic, and shouldn't for obvious reasons.
But it is how I would look at comparing teams, in my view, the best way of assessing a thing which is not readily assessible.
FSU is not currently one of the four best teams, not even close. They'd probably be a dog to Ole Miss.
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To me, "best team" means a team that more often would defeat any other team. How can one assess that? Eye test? Of course.
One could also look at the Vegas assessment as an indicator, in MY VIEW, the best one available.
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Here is what the NCAA factual site predicted before the committee injected their prognostication and opinion.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2023-12-02/college-football-playoff-rankings-predictions-what-final-cfp-top-25-could-
College Football Playoff rankings predictions: Final Top 25 projections
These predictions are as of the conclusion of the ACC Championship Saturday, December 2.
- Michigan (13-0) | LW: 2 — Michigan won the Big Ten with another ranked win. If a win over Oregon the first time wasn’t enough to get Washington over Michigan, then it won’t be enough in a second go around.
- Washington (13-0) | LW: 3 — Washington won the final Pac-12 title for the conference as we know it. The Huskies finish undefeated and will be in the playoff as the second seed.
- Florida State (13-0) | LW: 4 — Florida State is an undefeated champion from the ACC. The Seminoles defense sent a statement in the ACC Championship game and the Seminoles are in.
- Texas (12-1) | LW: 7 — Texas won the Big 12 title boosting its CFP odds. Thanks to a head-to-head win over SEC Champion Alabama, the Longhorns are in.
- Alabama (12-1) | LW: 8 — The SEC misses out of the College Football Playoff for the first time because Alabama lost to Texas head-to-head.
- Georgia (12-1) | LW: 1 — Georgia has to rank behind Alabama in these rankings, but the Bulldogs will remain above the Buckeyes after a 12-0 start.
- Ohio State (11-1) | LW: 6 —With Texas’ win, Ohio State’s College Football Playoff hopes disappeared. The Buckeyes miss out without a conference championship.
- Oregon (11-2) | LW: 5 — Oregon falls to No. 8 after losing another close game to Washington. After the loss, the Ducks will be the top-ranked two-loss team.
- Missouri (10-2) | LW: 9 — Missouri stays put after not playing in the postseason.
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Exactly. OHIO STATE would be a couple point favorite over both Washington, and Texas, and probably Alabama too. let’s put them in
Umm,no they would tee off on our QB if he hadn't already portaled.But then again maybe Keinholz or Brown were better options all along - so maybe
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Umm,no they would tee off on our QB if he hadn't already portaled.But then again maybe Keinholz or Brown were better options all along - so maybe
Vegas doesn’t agree with you. But that doesn’t mean your wrong.
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There were probably a dozen teams that didn’t get in the playoff last year that would have been a Vegas favorite over TCU.
People obsess over the term “best.” They take it too literally. They are looking for the best teams based on actual results.
Georgia or Ohio St would be favored over Washington or Texas on a neutral field but they didn’t have results that warranted putting them in the playoff.
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There were probably a dozen teams that didn’t get in the playoff last year that would have been a Vegas favorite over TCU.
Of course they didn't use "my method", which I stated was a fact. I'm saying it is the best way, IN MY OPINION, to assess the four best teams, if indeed you want that.
A 2 TD dog has a very small chance of winning the NC. TCU showed what happens in that situation. They have a 1 in 6 chance of winning one game.
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What were the Bengals chances last Night? Asking for a friend and 33 others that got knocked out of the pool
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what about liberty? where's the run itt for these titans of the east? i've checked the data, no one's proven they can be slain. perhaps no one can. after extracting the fraudulent tide someone give utee the bad news.
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Of course they didn't use "my method", which I stated was a fact. I'm saying it is the best way, IN MY OPINION, to assess the four best teams, if indeed you want that.
A 2 TD dog has a very small chance of winning the NC. TCU showed what happens in that situation. They have a 1 in 6 chance of winning one game.
Fair enough, but that sounds a little different than what you were saying earlier.
If you are saying Vegas lines is a good indicator the 4 best teams in the country I agree. But earlier you said Vegas making FSU a 14 point dog to UGA tells you FSU shouldn’t be in the playoff. I don’t agree with that.
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Smells like a dead horse in here
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Smells like a dead horse in here
Fro is a little gassy.
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Smells like a dead horse in here
Naw,floor of a TaxiCab maybe
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Smells like a dead horse in here
No shit.
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To me, "best team" means a team that more often would defeat any other team. How can one assess that? Eye test? Of course.
One could also look at the Vegas assessment as an indicator, in MY VIEW, the best one available.
Vegas uses computer programs, like everyone else. SP+ typically beats the spread, and I've heard FPI does, too, though I don't pay as much attention to that one. SP+ does not take injuries into account (or opt outs). Vegas does. Still loses though.
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Vegas just wants balance.
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Vegas just wants balance.
How many times have we seen a casino go out of business?
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Only if Trump owns it.
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Boys bringing their "A" Game
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Only if Trump owns it.
Does he still own any? Honestly do not follow. I'm pretty sure one he had in NJ is gone now.
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I am sure Our Michigan friends here won’t like me posting this.
This is a rant- but he raises a great point. Not about UM- but about our CFB media and the sport itself. A must 5 minute listen.
This is absolute trash. Why even post this? So Michigan fans can’t be annoyed that FSU seems to have gotten a raw deal?
you’re right, it’s not liked that it’s posted here. Speaking of dead horses.
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obviously they would rather play the team w/o a qb. who wouldn't.
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I don't know. I'm not a player so obviously can't speak from that perspective, but as a fan I'd rather see my favorite team take on all comers at their full strength, even if that diminishes the odds of a win.
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You're smarter than this.
Look at what the committee did.
Week 13: FSU vs FCS Directional Tech.....Jordan Travis is hurt badly, out for the year. So there's some uncertainty there. FSU blows out the FCS team. FSU was ranked 4th, but drops down to 5th. 5th out of the 5 undefeated P5 teams left.
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Week 14: Rivalry Weekend! The Game! OSU loses to UM and drops. FSU, with their backup QB, beats Florida. The offense looks bad. But with OSU losing, FSU moves up. The committee gave FSU the benefit of the doubt here. Bad offensive showing vs a bad defense, but they got it done, and as they're prone to do, just shuffling up the zero-loss teams ahead of the 1-loss teams.
What we all may not have known here is that the committee was focusing on FSU, especially the offense, and wanted to give them the opportunity to play their way into maintaining their ranking (4th, once again).
Just look like a playoff team vs UL. Show that the offense is functional and not a dumpster fire. Earn you way in. Here's your chance.
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Week 15: FSU scores one TD. Their defense plays with its hair on fire, but FSU is half a team. They were given the benefit of the doubt the week before, but they've shown the offense is a shell of its former self.
RB Benson could have taken over, but didn't.
WR Coleman could have stepped up his game, but didn't.
The only plus was the backup RB hitting one long run.
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Two teams behind FSU were also being watched closely. One played the #1 team and the other played a lower-ranked team. Oklahoma State was ranked even below Louisville. Alabama beat #1 and Texas beat Okie State, scoring more than 1 TD. They scored 7 TDs. Played their way into the playoff.
So Bama beat the #1 team and Texas drubbed the lower-ranked team, playing well on both sides of the ball.
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Is it unfortunate that FSU lost its QB? Yes.
Would it have immensely helped if someone stepped up on offense? Yes.
Is any of this "fair"? No.
Is it some sort of bomb shelter cash handshake conspiracy? No.
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Any of the 4 teams in the playoff could win it.
You could not say that with FSU included. FSU had the chance to play their way in, and they fell short. No, their backup QB isn't appreciably better than the 3rd stringer. No, a zero in the loss column isn't a "get into the playoff free" card.
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I am truly baffled that the consensus seems to be that FSU being left out is some sort of crime against everything that is holy and good in the world.
Oh, and this:
(https://i.imgur.com/rjd4utz.jpg)
You can also look at it differently.
Week 14: FSU is against an outmatched opponent. They have a talented backup QB but who has not been running with the 1's in practice except for this week. They know they can trust their defense and move to a more vanilla offensive scheme to secure the win, knowing that with a little more experience, they can open it up.
Week 15: FSU just lost their second string QB, but they know they're again against an outmatched (but less so) opponent. The third-string QB hasn't even been running with the 2's for more than a week, and now gets one week to run with the 1's. So let's again play conservatively to get the W and try to get out of here with 3 weeks of practice (and Wodemaker returning as it was a concussion, not a season-ender) to get Wodemaker up to speed with the 1's.
Kinda like the 2nd half of the UM/PSU game. "Oh, UM couldn't throw the ball!" No, they chose not to, because they didn't think they needed to throw the ball to get the W.
These kinds of things happen. FSU doesn't recruit scrubs. Chances are they wanted Wodemaker on the roster for a reason. But if they had tried to go all-out with a full offensive gameplan against a lesser opponent, when they didn't need it, and then a few offensive miscues led to giving the opponent good field position or a defensive score? Now they've got an L on the record. Instead, play conservatively and trust your defense to strangle your opponent.
Because a W by 1 point vs a W by 20 points looks like the same thing on your record... Unless you're not judged on your record, and it's all a big f%&#^@g beauty pageant.
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I figure when Vegas sets the initial line, they consider who is involved, as well as who their metrics predict will win by X. If say ND is involved, they know ND fans are big betters on their team, so they shade the line, a point or so, to account for that. Maybe more. And if the money piles up on one side or the other, they shade the line to adjust. Basically, they win no matter what, if the line is such that the bets are balanced or close to it.
There is zero reason for Vegas to "bet" when they have a sure thing on every contest and every event. Would you rather bet with your money or take a sure thing?
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Unless you're not judged on your record, and it's all a big f%&#^@g beauty pageant.
I don't disagree with anything you're saying, but the D1-A/FBS college football postseason has ALWAYS been a big effing beauty pageant. This year is no different than all the others.
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I figure when Vegas sets the initial line, they consider who is involved, as well as who their metrics predict will win by X. If say ND is involved, they know ND fans are big betters on their team, so they shade the line, a point or so, to account for that. Maybe more. And if the money piles up on one side or the other, they shade the line to adjust. Basically, they win no matter what, if the line is such that the bets are balanced or close to it.
There is zero reason for Vegas to "bet" when they have a sure thing on every contest and every event. Would you rather bet with your money or take a sure thing?
I have my doubts about the idea of teams like Notre Dame that have lots of fans (my team would be on this list as well) getting shifted lines to balance the money. I don't doubt that Vegas *would* do that if they needed to in order to balance the money but if that were true then we would expect all of the teams with large fanbases to consistently underperform to the spread. That would create a fairly obvious money-making opportunity. Simply bet against the big fanbase teams every week and you should make money, no? My thinking is that someone would figure that out and do it and that would cause the lines to move back to appropriate.
Note, I'm not arguing with you per-se. I've heard this theory lots of times in the past from lots of different people so this isn't directed at you. Also, I don't mean this to be argumentative. I mean it as a genuine question: Am I missing something? If "Vegas" actually does shift their lines to make the big-fanbase teams bigger favorites couldn't I make money by consistently betting against the big-fanbase teams?
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I've thought about that. Vegas obvious knows from experience IF soe fan base comes in heavy in their team. I don't know if this happens in real life, but Vegas would, and they'd adjust as needed. Maybe the betting public is so large the fanbased is irrelevant, I don't know.
I have one theory about betting on bowl games, always take the dog and points. I think they attract some fans who bet on them thinking "Well, there is no way FSU beats UGA" not realizing the line already adjusted for that, and then UGA shows up disinterested and absent some key players and doesn't cover. I think that happens more often in bowl games than regular season games.
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Yeah, the casino oddsmakers have already factored in their expectations for fan base money, when they set the initial lines. I'm certain that some fan bases bet more "enthusiastically" and I'm certain that the casinos account for it.
If they don't, then they get into the case of a shifting line, which becomes a source of risk exposure if they can't shift the line fast enough. No casino wants risk exposure. So they factor in everything they can, into setting the initial line, to keep the money even.
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I'd guess they know a lot of factors that influence betting lines, and adjust accordingly. I find it interesting how spreads can vary a point or so between houses. They all put out nearly the same initial lines. And the lines rarely move much from there, a couple points is an extreme case (barring injury news).
I assume they employ some algorithm or other, I don't know how that works preseason, and then a human may tickle it.
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Here, this should help settle things down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf5a0Bl6uJ0&t=267s
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I don't disagree with anything you're saying, but the D1-A/FBS college football postseason has ALWAYS been a big effing beauty pageant. This year is no different than all the others.
Yes, which is why even in the CFP era we still call it the MNC, not the NC.
The idea of a playoff is to bring objectivity into the equation. But any time you don't have an objective path to the playoff--and I'd argue that scheduling two SEC teams OOC, running the table to go 13-0 and win a P5 conference championship is about as objective as we all thought possible--that there is no objective national champion.
So it's still the MNC.
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You could also compare just this year's TV ratings for a common opponent.
(https://i.imgur.com/91VCCkp.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/c7RGW1P.png)
So clearly Alabama is the bigger draw.
Oh, wait... :)
Glad so many were able to tune in for our humiliation.
I've already noted I don't care about the FSU/Bama arguments. The committee was going to be both right and wrong either way. I find the notions that FSU would definitely lose in the playoffs odd. Maybe they would. Suppose their #2 QB gets a month to practice with the 1's and focus in on whatever team they're playing...maybe it's still a bad offense. Maybe. But can their defense drag any of the playoff teams down in the mud and force them into a brawl? There's one team this year that horsewhipped our OL and blanked us for an entire half. And it wasn't Bama, lolz.....we made their defense look average. FSU might well lose to Michigan, Washington, or Texas. Or they might not. Cincy, with his "FSU would lose 85% of the time" can give me his crystal ball, I need it for some stuff, meanwhile I'll refer him to all his comments picking games on the SEC board where he says he's not good at picking games.
That said, I don't want to be mistaken as saying putting Alabama over FSU is wrong. Can't stress it enough. Either team was going to be right and wrong. If UGA had won, the controversy would be between FSU and Texas, and it would be the same thing. All the same arguments would apply. I wouldn't die on the hill of keeping Texas out in favor of a Travis-less FSU, and neither would I gripe about Texas getting in over FSU. It is what it is. Sucks for FSU. Would've sucked for Bama if it had gone differently.
I'm 100% okay with things sucking for Bama.
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Here, this should help settle things down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf5a0Bl6uJ0&t=267s
LoL, the Court Reporter was a hilarious touch.
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Yes, which is why even in the CFP era we still call it the MNC, not the NC.
The idea of a playoff is to bring objectivity into the equation. But any time you don't have an objective path to the playoff--and I'd argue that scheduling two SEC teams OOC, running the table to go 13-0 and win a P5 conference championship is about as objective as we all thought possible--that there is no objective national champion.
So it's still the MNC.
This was all detailed brilliantly in my earlier post, but I guess everybody TLDR'd it.
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This was all detailed brilliantly in my earlier post, but I guess everybody TLDR'd it.
The problem with your posts here is they are so brilliantly detailed, nobody else here can comprehend them in their magnifisense.
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Here, this should help settle things down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf5a0Bl6uJ0&t=267s
wow.. not that's funny.
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The Big Ten has such high academic standards, I figured everyone here could handle it. In the future I'll write with more of a Bama/Ole Miss audience in mind.
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LoL, the Court Reporter was a hilarious touch.
My favorite bit was Texas not having any idea that the CFP existed and had been around for ten years. It's funny, because it's true.
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I don't know. I'm not a player so obviously can't speak from that perspective, but as a fan I'd rather see my favorite team take on all comers at their full strength, even if that diminishes the odds of a win.
this. I'd rather Michigan play Bama than FSU, but FSU earned the right to punch their ticket to the dance imo.
Going 13-0 with arguably the toughest OOC schedule of any team and winning a P5 conference unblemished is no easy feat. Especially after losing the starting QB. FSU isn't some MAC or Mountain West school. They are loaded with 4*'s and 5*'s and future NFL draft picks just like the 4 teams in the dance.
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The Big Ten has such high academic standards, I figured everyone here could handle it. In the future I'll write with more of a Bama/Ole Miss audience in mind.
thanks
I'm a poor uneducated dirt farmer
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this. I'd rather Michigan play Bama than FSU, but FSU earned the right to punch their ticket to the dance imo.
they earned it and the SEC said, not at our expense!
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I'd guess they know a lot of factors that influence betting lines, and adjust accordingly. I find it interesting how spreads can vary a point or so between houses. They all put out nearly the same initial lines. And the lines rarely move much from there, a couple points is an extreme case (barring injury news).
I assume they employ some algorithm or other, I don't know how that works preseason, and then a human may tickle it.
The goal of Vegas sports books is to have as many winners as losers so they make money off of the vig
if after the opening line betters start to favor a particular team the points will adjust to try to attract betters for the other team
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10 most watched CFB games this season:
1. Ohio State at Michigan (19.07M)
2. Alabama vs. Georgia (17.52M)
3. Colorado at Oregon (10.03M)*
4. Michigan vs. Iowa (10.02M)
5. Ohio State at Notre Dame (9.98M)
6. Penn State at Ohio State (9.96M)
7. Colorado State at Colorado (9.30M)
8. Washington vs. Oregon (9.25M)*
9. Florida State vs. LSU (9.17M)
10. Michigan at Penn State (9.16M)
B1G with half of them. Well, 7 if you count Washington & Oregon.
Prime Time doing work. Holy sh*t how did that many people watch crappy Colorado teams play?
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4. Michigan vs. Iowa (10.02M)
5. Ohio State at Notre Dame (9.98M)
6. Penn State at Ohio State (9.96M)
I'm most surprised by this order. I would have thought it would be in reverse.
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I'm most surprised by this order. I would have thought it would be in reverse.
The gap between those three from top to bottom is so miniscule as to be meaningless.
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There's one team this year that horsewhipped our OL and blanked us for an entire half. And it wasn't Bama, lolz.....we made their defense look average.
hat's just cause we refuse to use a spy for some unknown, ridiculous reason. (i'm making excuses and rationalizing, leave me alone)
It is what it is. Sucks for FSU. Would've sucked for Bama if it had gone differently.
wait...
I'm 100% okay with things sucking for Bama.
(https://y.yarn.co/0c169f68-8c60-4c62-afc4-16658a239041_text.gif)
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I hope you don't bet on football if you think the betting line doesn't mean anything at all.
I've explained clearly what it means.
Vegas just wants balance.
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Prime Time doing work. Holy sh*t how did that many people watch crappy Colorado teams play?
they won't be fooled by the hype next season
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10 most watched CFB games this season:
Prime Time doing work. Holy sh*t how did that many people watch crappy Colorado teams play?
Well Prime returned Punts/Picks back for Jesus,so he's returning the favor - pays to know some one
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https://youtu.be/aZm3pc5HbsY?si=Sw3CvWO7-ze1Ne6z
SEC Shorts: CFP Selection committee
Priceless
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hat's just cause we refuse to use a spy for some unknown, ridiculous reason. (i'm making excuses and rationalizing, leave me alone)
I'm guessing because it didn't help teams who did and Bama wanted to clog the zones as much as possible.
Didn't matter though, eventually they wised up and knocked him out of the game.
Idiots. They should've done that in the first quarter.
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My favorite bit was Texas not having any idea that the CFP existed and had been around for ten years. It's funny, because it's true.
I watched the whole thing at lunch and it is hilarious. I also think you have to give the guy credit because it is very well thought out. They take shots at everybody.
The first time through it, I didn't realize who the guy in the back row was. He is "Florida" and it was well balanced because he was apparently there to watch two hated rivals (UGA and FSU) not get in to the CFP but then when the "judge" threatens to hold him in contempt he says "I don't have anywhere to go" which is a shot at UF's lack of a bowl this year.
The Texas thing was funny too. Then, at the very end the ACC guy asks "what kind of Mickey Mouse operation this is" and the camera pans to an ESPN logo, with everyone knowing that Mickey Mouse owns ESPN.
Really well done and hilarious.
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I missed that forgot who owned them as they are now a bad investment
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Here, this should help settle things down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf5a0Bl6uJ0&t=267s
Awesomeness
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I'd guess they know a lot of factors that influence betting lines, and adjust accordingly. I find it interesting how spreads can vary a point or so between houses. They all put out nearly the same initial lines. And the lines rarely move much from there, a couple points is an extreme case (barring injury news).
I assume they employ some algorithm or other, I don't know how that works preseason, and then a human may tickle it.
It’s based on computer rankings that produce power ratings. That sets the initial line.
Then what matters is which side the money is coming in on. Also quarterback injuries. Those can put a pretty big dent in the line
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Moving on from this completely dead horse, who do we like in these games?
Texas versus Washington is a great matchup and I don’t know who to favor there but I’ll go with Texas in a close one.
Alabama versus Michigan should be a great matchup as well and I think I’m liking Michigan to win by a touchdown or less
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UAT over UM
UT over UW
UAT over UT
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I'm taking Texas and Bama
looking forward to the Texas/Bama rematch
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No outcomes would surprise me, I think all 4 teams have pathways to beating all of the other three. So this is my initial hunch, won't be surprised if it's wrong.
Bama over Mich
Texas over UDubb
Texas over Bama
Kinda like everybody yammering about how Oregon is really the best team even though they didn't win, and how they're gonna whip the Huskies in the rematch.....I am hearing a lot about how great Alabama is and how they'd definitely beat Texas now.
All depends on which Bama team shows up. The other three have been relatively consistent, particularly of late. If Alabama circa the SECCG shows up, they can defeat any of the other three. If Bama circa the Iron Bowl shows up, they're going to lose to Michigan in the first round for sure.
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The gap between those three from top to bottom is so miniscule as to be meaningless.
Agreed as the difference is not a relevant number. If you were to ask me which game I thought would have been a far greater draw, with a noticeable number, it would have been Penn State v OSU. I guess OSU v Notre Dame would be encompassing the two schools with the largest fanbases so that would make sense and I guess the Big10 title game had the total amount of Big10 fans because there was no other conference games on for a distraction.
I just think on an average saturday, the game that would have been most intriguing based on the matchup would be OSU v PSU. And since I'm already overthinking the topic substantially, the kickoff time of non probably brought down viewership of OSU v PSU versus if it was an 8 pm kickoff. So there's my contribution to irrelevant, meaningless overanalysis of the viewership numbers ha.
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I think the top four are so close the outcome will depend, as often is the case, on the usual unpredictable events. UGA fans are complaining about a reception call on fourth down that probably should have been reviewed, but wasn't. OK, fine, maybe the game hinged on that one play, maybe not. The teams were really close in capability, and I think the same is true for Ohio State and the four in the mix. I see five teams that probably have no more than a 55% chance of winning the next game if they were matched up.
Missouri I think would put up a pretty good fight as well.
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Missouri I think would put up a pretty good fight as well.
They definitely started fights with LSU and Arkansas. As for playing football, I think they'd lose to all 4 playoff teams.
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UAT over UM
UT over UW
UAT over UT
Who is uat?
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(https://i.imgur.com/iM7yJuF.jpg)
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Also quarterback injuries. Those can put a pretty big dent in the line
Interesting.
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Fro is a little gassy.
Guilty!
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Who is uat?
Not UAB?
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Not UAB?
the university of alabama system doesn’t have a uat. there is ua, uab, uah, and uabhs
https://uasystem.edu/institutions
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Ohio State has gone from a 6.5 point favorite over Missouri in the Cotton Bowl- to a 1 point underdog.
The shift is likely due to the OSU QB hitting the transfer portal.
Perhaps we need to eliminate OSU and replace them with another team??
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I like UAT.
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Even paranoids have enemies.
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I have a really good friend who is an Auburn alum. He uses UAT and I guess it just stuck in my head.
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I feel like UA covers their main campus, just as UT covers Texas' main campus. You can't say UTA because that's UT-Arlington. There's also UTEP, UTSA, UTD, and probably some others.
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I can say "UTA" all I want with no apparent repercussions.
I'm slightly amused "we" say "UGA" and "UVA" and then "UF" and UP.
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UMD
UTK
UIUC
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I feel like UA covers their main campus, just as UT covers Texas' main campus. You can't say UTA because that's UT-Arlington. There's also UTEP, UTSA, UTD, and probably some others.
For my Auburn friend, it's just a dig at Bama. Like Bama says Aubarn.
Or a aTm fan calling Texas "tu".
Immature? Sure, but it's part of the fun.
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I can say "UTA" all I want with no apparent repercussions.
I mean, you can say it, and everyone in Texas will understand that as the Arlington campus of the University of Texas. So if that's your intent, then knock yourself out.
If that's not your intent, then nobody will understand what you're talking about and you'll sound like an idiot. I don't know whether or not you'd consider that to be a "repercussion." Some people are happy to sound like an idiot.
Going back to our discussion on specificity of word definitions and language...
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Maybe "we" should contrive and "official list" of officially accepted abbreviations, like say "UTA" for that Texas outfit.
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I'm pretty used to sounding like an idiot, to some folks anyway. It doesn't bother me in the least. We could annoint say "UTX" and "UTN" for those two outfits.
Texas is the team I could most abide winning the NC this year.
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Thanks, I'd love to see UTA win the CFP this year. :)
As for UTX vs. UTN, I think it's generally determinable by context, which one you're talking about. Just like OSU, OSU, and OSU.
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I've always used oSu for the Pokes
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Context may be less clear next season.
I think any of the four could win it. I'd probably drop UDubb's chances a bit. I think Ohio State could win it too.
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I've always used oSu for the Pokes
Same.
And OrSU for the other weirdos.
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ATATX
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As for UTX vs. UTN, I think it's generally determinable by context, which one you're talking about. Just like OSU, OSU, and OSU.
Right. Like, for example, if someone says UT beat Alabama, everybody knows you're not talking about Tennessee :57:
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We get called LSWho? a lot.
Always struck me as a bit unoriginal and needlessly generic. You could insert Who? for almost every university, many of which have a "U" in their initials. That's the biggest sign of disrespect, when people won't even take the trouble to come up with a decent insult for you.
Like corndogs. A) That's a Colorado jab hurled at Nebraska (Cornhuskers....makes much more sense) that was lazily co-opted by an Auburn fan one day and directed at us. B) Corndogs are delicious, so it's not much of an insult.
People ask me why I hate Auburn so much. That's one of many reasons.
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I too like corn dogs.
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I haven't had a corndog in decades
haven't had a good one forever
I should probably try what some cornsider a good one
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I have a really good friend who is an Auburn alum. He uses UAT and I guess it just stuck in my head.
i was wondering, cause it's a dig they use. but some people use it genuinely not knowing. i didn't know which you were.
not sure why it's a dig for them. they have their own system with satellite locations in the name, but not the main university.
interestingly, i looked up texas (since i knew they had some like utep and utsa) and wisconsin (because i figured y'all did as well), but both of you list the main school as locations. i.e. university of texas at austin and university of wisconsin-madison.
carry on, i guess.
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There used to a place in a now closed mall in Cincy that had good corndogs. They had them with onion and jalopenoes in the batter if you wanted. No ketchup of course.
I may get some at Kroger.
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We get called LSWho? a lot.
Always struck me as a bit unoriginal and needlessly generic. You could insert Who? for almost every university, many of which have a "U" in their initials. That's the biggest sign of disrespect, when people won't even take the trouble to come up with a decent insult for you.
Like corndogs. A) That's a Colorado jab hurled at Nebraska (Cornhuskers....makes much more sense) that was lazily co-opted by an Auburn fan one day and directed at us. B) Corndogs are delicious, so it's not much of an insult.
People ask me why I hate Auburn so much. That's one of many reasons.
you guys are corndogs because you always smell like greasy food, cause y'all are always cooking the best damn greasy food at tailgates.
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I've always used oSu for the Pokes
I'm talking about more when used in speech rather than typed. But either way, unless you're directly comparing or contrasting two of them in a specific conversation, I don't think the distinctions are all that necessary. There's not generally a lot of overlap in context for them.
When you say "OSU has lost its last three to hated archrival Michigan" nobody is going to think you're talking about Oklahoma State.
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I mean, you can say it, and everyone in Texas will understand that as the Arlington campus of the University of Texas. So if that's your intent, then knock yourself out.
If that's not your intent, then nobody will understand what you're talking about and you'll sound like an idiot. I don't know whether or not you'd consider that to be a "repercussion." Some people are happy to sound like an idiot.
Going back to our discussion on specificity of word definitions and language...
if someone is agitated mission is accomplished
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i was wondering, cause it's a dig they use. but some people use it genuinely not knowing. i didn't know which you were.
not sure why it's a dig for them. they have their own system with satellite locations in the name, but not the main university.
interestingly, i looked up texas (since i knew they had some like utep and utsa) and wisconsin (because i figured y'all did as well), but both of you list the main school as locations. i.e. university of texas at austin and university of wisconsin-madison.
carry on, i guess.
You could probably look up "University of Texas system" and that would return all of the satellite campuses.
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No outcomes would surprise me, I think all 4 teams have pathways to beating all of the other three. So this is my initial hunch, won't be surprised if it's wrong.
Bama over Mich
Texas over UDubb
Texas over Bama
Kinda like everybody yammering about how Oregon is really the best team even though they didn't win, and how they're gonna whip the Huskies in the rematch.....I am hearing a lot about how great Alabama is and how they'd definitely beat Texas now.
All depends on which Bama team shows up. The other three have been relatively consistent, particularly of late. If Alabama circa the SECCG shows up, they can defeat any of the other three. If Bama circa the Iron Bowl shows up, they're going to lose to Michigan in the first round for sure.
my lean also
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You could probably look up "University of Texas system" and that would return all of the satellite campuses.
i did. there's a lot.
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I can say "UTA" all I want with no apparent repercussions.
I'm slightly amused "we" say "UGA" and "UVA" and then "UF" and UP.
I'm not sure who the UP is that you're referring to.
There is no University of Purdue. There is a Purdue University. So we use PU.
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UPenn.
The UGA System includes Georgia Tech!
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for those interested...
wisconsin system: https://www.wisconsin.edu/campuses/
texas system: https://www.utsystem.edu/institutions
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if someone is agitated mission is accomplished
I guess? I'm not much for pot-stirring.
The ags call us "t.u" and "t-sippers." I think it's silly. I've heard grown adults in a corporate boardroom use those terms, and it's really cringe when all of the Ivy League suits or MIT and Stanford engineers are like... "what?" Then they have to awkwardly explain why they are still using juvenile insults directed at 1/20 people in the room. Definitely career-limiting, but it doesn't seem to phase them...
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We get called LSWho? a lot.
Always struck me as a bit unoriginal and needlessly generic. You could insert Who? for almost every university, many of which have a "U" in their initials. That's the biggest sign of disrespect, when people won't even take the trouble to come up with a decent insult for you.
Like corndogs. A) That's a Colorado jab hurled at Nebraska (Cornhuskers....makes much more sense) that was lazily co-opted by an Auburn fan one day and directed at us. B) Corndogs are delicious, so it's not much of an insult.
People ask me why I hate Auburn so much. That's one of many reasons.
I'd almost take a PurWho? from time to time, considering all the dummies who use Purdon't.
I don't remember what board it was but there was an Indiana fan who always went by Purude IIRC...
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I guess? I'm not much for pot-stirring.
The ags call us "t.u" and "t-sippers." I think it's silly. I've heard grown adults in a corporate boardroom use those terms, and it's really cringe when all of the Ivy League suits or MIT and Stanford engineers are like... "what?" Then they have to awkwardly explain why they are still using juvenile insults directed at 1/20 people in the room. Definitely career-limiting, but it doesn't seen to phase them...
they can always deliver pizza
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for those interested...
wisconsin system: https://www.wisconsin.edu/campuses/
texas system: https://www.utsystem.edu/institutions
I'm not interested
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I'd almost take a PurWho? from time to time, considering all the dummies who use Purdon't.
I don't remember what board it was but there was an Indiana fan who always went by Purude IIRC...
"Purdon't." I've never heard that, but it made me chuckle.
"PU"
.....is what I say when I smell something gross.
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A friend of mine called it "Unidewperversity at Layflat, Indiana".
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i was wondering, cause it's a dig they use. but some people use it genuinely not knowing. i didn't know which you were.
not sure why it's a dig for them. they have their own system with satellite locations in the name, but not the main university.
interestingly, i looked up texas (since i knew they had some like utep and utsa) and wisconsin (because i figured y'all did as well), but both of you list the main school as locations. i.e. university of texas at austin and university of wisconsin-madison.
carry on, i guess.
Yep, my degree says University of Wisconsin-Madison for sure, but in the state, it's simply known as UW.
UWM is Milwaukee, and there has been some talk of renaming that school to University of Milwaukee. Not sure that will happen.
There are a lot of UW-___ in Wisconsin, and there used to be a Wisconsin State system too, like California still has (Fresno, San Diego, San Jose, etc.)
I have no ill will for Bama, FYI. Nothing but respect.
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I refer to Purdue as Purdon't whenever Wisconsin beats them.
Maybe it should be Purnever. I dunno.
Then there is hoops. Purdue is pretty good.
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I guess? I'm not much for pot-stirring.
The ags call us "t.u" and "t-sippers." I think it's silly. I've heard grown adults in a corporate boardroom use those terms, and it's really cringe when all of the Ivy League suits or MIT and Stanford engineers are like... "what?" Then they have to awkwardly explain why they are still using juvenile insults directed at 1/20 people in the room. Definitely career-limiting, but it doesn't seen to phase them...
I attended an Aggie game many years ago. My cousin was in school there at the time and I was new in Austin, so I drove the few hours to go to a game with him. They were playing Oklahoma. To my surprise, many of the chants and cheers had to do with Texas, sawing things off and such. I couldn't help but think maybe if the crowd had put more effort into cheering against OU, the team on the field, maybe their Aggies would've picked up some juice by osmosis and played the Sooners better. As it was, they got their ears beat in. But hey....they got those horns sawed off! Or whatever.
Their cheerleaders were hairy and ugly as hell.
A little later I wound up working in College Station for a while. I already had a bizarre level of success with Texas (the state) ladies.....I left my time there pretty sure that the Aggie co-eds were clearly starved for men with testosterone, who weren't betas to their own dogs, getting run off their beds for the night if the dog wants it.
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Yep, my degree says University of Wisconsin-Madison for sure, but in the state, it's simply known as UW.
UWM is Milwaukee, and there has been some talk of renaming that school to University of Milwaukee. Not sure that will happen.
There are a lot of UW-___ in Wisconsin, and there used to be a Wisconsin State system too, like California still has (Fresno, San Diego, San Jose, etc.)
alabama (the state) has an alabama state system as well, but as far as i can tell it's a single university/campus.
I have no ill will for Bama, FYI. Nothing but respect. he said as he disrespects them
sure.
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I've seen folks use "Purdon't" as well. I guess it's a slam?
MDT likes to use all sorts of derogatory terms for all of the various SEC teams. Barn, Clanga, etc. I'd call him an expert on the matter.
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I refer to Purdue as Purdon't whenever Wisconsin beats them.
Maybe it should be Purnever. I dunno.
Then there is hoops. Purdue is pretty good.
until march.
i'll see myself out...
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sure.
Don't be so sensative.
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I've seen folks use "Purdon't" as well. I guess it's a slam?
MDT likes to use all sorts of derogatory terms for all of the various SEC teams. Barn, Clanga, etc. I'd call him an expert on the matter.
I prefer to think of it as respecting them by using their official names. Like how OUsux is not pejorative, it's their name.
To my knowledge, I am the only one that refers to MSU as Clanga. To most they are known as the Cowbells.
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Don't be so sensative.
I disrespect them all the time. He should be used to it by now.
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Don't be so sensative.
i will do no such thing.
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I disrespect them all the time. He should be used to it by now.
you know we cant handle criticism. hell, probably >50% of reason we're in the cfp, just to keep our fanbase from bitching so much.
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you know we cant handle criticism. hell, probably >50% of reason we're in the cfp, just to keep our fanbase from bitching so much.
I generally don't like Finebaum, but I watched a couple YouTube clips from his call-ins after the Texas game and whatever the next game was against the scrub team they struggled with, solely for the "Paaaawwwwllll..." meltdowns. Predictably, they moaned, wailed, and despaired over how the team wouldn't even go bowling, it's over, Saban has lost it, Alabama is done, etc.
Unprecedented success really has turned that fanbase into something.....special. And they were already special in normal times.
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until march.
i'll see myself out...
Nobody here is going to debate you on this point. It isn't your opinion, it is an undeniable reality. We've had discussions as to why and whether it will change but those are different.
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I see my diploma which I just ran across says "UNC-CH" spelled out.
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My dad graduated before my mom. His diploma from 1963 says "The University of Texas" and her diploma from 1965 says "The University of Texas at Austin." Both of mine say the latter. So I guess they switched around 1964.
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I see my diploma which I just ran across says "UNC-CH" spelled out.
University of Georgia-Athens
UGA
Makes sense.
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UVA = University of Virginia at Charlottesville?
There is no other "University of Georgia" anywhere else. The "System" refers to itself as "UGS".
USG Institutions | University System of Georgia (https://www.usg.edu/institutions)
I didn't know there were so many.
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I generally don't like Finebaum, but I watched a couple YouTube clips from his call-ins after the Texas game and whatever the next game was against the scrub team they struggled with, solely for the "Paaaawwwwllll..." meltdowns. Predictably, they moaned, wailed, and despaired over how the team wouldn't even go bowling, it's over, Saban has lost it, Alabama is done, etc.
Unprecedented success really has turned that fanbase into something.....special. And they were already special in normal times.
when we have a 3 loss season, and it'll be relatively soon imo, people will lose their damn minds. and i don't mean call in finebaum saying saban's past it. that happens now after close wins. no, there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, riots and protests, probably a couple inter-family murders, it'll be pandemonium. and we'll be 9 or 10-3, probably in the cotton bowl or peach or something. when we have a losing season, "prophets" will claim armageddon is upon us, the apocalypse is in full swing, whoever the tenn coach is at the time is the anti-christ, a second civil war will start, but just against auburn to kick them out of the state. i might leave the country i shame.
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Michigan alums hate when you say UMAA, so you definitely DON'T want to do that
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Dawg fans are starting to resemble Bama fans, or perhaps they wish they could. I saw some pretty good meltdowns after the latest loss. I may register "firekirby.com"
in advance.
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UPenn.
Hmm... I've never heard anyone talk about Penn in any sports context (so I hear people talk about them very little), but whenever I have, I've always heard them referred to as Penn, not UPenn or UP.
The only UP I'm familiar with as a regular acronym is the upper peninsula.
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Michigan alums hate when you say UMAA, so you definitely DON'T want to do that
UMF has a nice ring to it.
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Dawg fans are starting to resemble Bama fans, or perhaps they wish they could. I saw some pretty good meltdowns after the latest loss. I may register "firekirby.com"
in advance.
probably too late
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Nobody here is going to debate you on this point. It isn't your opinion, it is an undeniable reality. We've had discussions as to why and whether it will change but those are different.
As I've said, the 2022 NCAAT killed my Purdue fandom. I simply refuse to let them hurt me again.
Which is good, or else the 2023 NCAAT really would have stung.
And whatever happens this year would probably be even worse.
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UMF has a nice ring to it.
i thought it was ttun
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probably too late
With each new coaching search, Texas fans go out and buy up all of the "Fire ______" websites, for when we'll eventually need to use them.
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Dawg fans are starting to resemble Bama fans, or perhaps they wish they could. I saw some pretty good meltdowns after the latest loss. I may register "firekirby.com"
in advance.
Not so much here, but there's a large amount of OSU fans that go to the ledge with a single loss. Some calls for firing Ryan Day and ensuring they're helping an 11-1 first year qb out the door. Having so much success makes losses even more difficult.
That's the part of the game i think NIL is going to destroy and same with these super conferences. I loved watching a Big Ten team that typically lost 3-4 games a year make a run and win a conference title. It made that experience even more special. Now, a system is being set up where talent at mid-level schools have financial incentive to leave after a successful season and get paid at a helmet school with more money. I hate it.
That being said, i wonder how helmet schools accustomed to winning will cope with potential an extra loss or two a year now that the conferences are huge and there will be another 1-2 top tier schools in each conference.
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until march.
i'll see myself out...
Don't leave. It's common here. There's some passionate debates in this group, but they come from decent people. Everyone has flaws and sometimes really piss each other off, but the group is a million times better than the average fan.
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Ryan Day better not lose to Mizzou
with or w/o players opting out
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when we have a 3 loss season, and it'll be relatively soon imo, people will lose their damn minds. and i don't mean call in finebaum saying saban's past it. that happens now after close wins. no, there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, riots and protests, probably a couple inter-family murders, it'll be pandemonium. and we'll be 9 or 10-3, probably in the cotton bowl or peach or something. when we have a losing season, "prophets" will claim armageddon is upon us, the apocalypse is in full swing, whoever the tenn coach is at the time is the anti-christ, a second civil war will start, but just against auburn to kick them out of the state. i might leave the country i shame.
Just wait 'til Bama's qb gets hurt for 3 games, they lose them, but he comes back, wins the rest of the games, but a 9-3 Bama is on the bubble for the 12-team playoffs. There will be mass indignation and immediate plans to move to ELA's 64 team tournament.
And even then, Arkansas is gonna complain about getting shafted.
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i thought it was ttun
I was thinking UM-Flint. :)
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I was thinking UM-Flint. :)
UM-F and UM-D are actual branch campuses. I think UM played UM-Dearborn once in the 90s in hoops
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Don't leave. It's common here. There's some passionate debates in this group, but they come from decent people. Everyone has flaws and sometimes really piss each other off, but the group is a million times better than the average fan.
dude i've been here for 20 or so years, i ain't going nowhere.
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Just wait 'til Bama's qb gets hurt for 3 games, they lose them, but he comes back, wins the rest of the games, but a 9-3 Bama is on the bubble for the 12-team playoffs. There will be mass indignation and immediate plans to move to ELA's 64 team tournament.
And even then, Arkansas is gonna complain about getting shafted.
we're the best 3 loss team in the nation, pawl.
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Just wait 'til Bama's qb gets hurt for 3 games, they lose them, but he comes back, wins the rest of the games, but a 9-3 Bama is on the bubble for the 12-team playoffs. There will be mass indignation and immediate plans to move to ELA's 64 team tournament.
And even then, Arkansas is gonna complain about getting shafted.
It's actually an interesting topic. They have pinned themselves into a corner now. Imagine if Texas would have lost 1 more game, had two losses but both those games Ewers was on the sidelines. They'd be a different team by the end of the year right when it matters right? Results on the field aren't most apparently apparently and it's all about the "best team" based on the eye test of the final vote now.
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So whats the criteria for selecting the 12 teams next year besides conference winners and maybe the 2nd place conference teams
That only accounts for 8 at the most teams
What do the other 4 have to accomplish to get in
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It's actually an interesting topic. They have pinned themselves into a corner now. Imagine if Texas would have lost 1 more game, had two losses but both those games Ewers was on the sidelines. They'd be a different team by the end of the year right when it matters right? Results on the field aren't most apparently apparently and it's all about the "best team" based on the eye test of the final vote now.
That's only half-true in the 12-team playoff. The other half are conference champs.
And with the superconference/divisionless/toptwoCCG/keepPurdueoutofit rule changes in large conferences, it'll ensure that there is never a P4 conference champ that is outside the top 6 (probably changed to 5 soon) ranked conference champs.
So at least "winning your conference" if you're a P4 school is now an almost certainly objective path to the playoff.
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Top SIX conference champs are in, including the Pac 3 apparently. Top four get top seeds.
The rest are committeed I think, except for Alabama who gets in no matter what.
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So whats the criteria for selecting the 12 teams next year besides conference winners and maybe the 2nd place conference teams
That only accounts for 8 at the most teams
What do the other 4 have to accomplish to get in
That's where the bikini competition round comes in...
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Thought I clicked into the Hotties thread by accident....
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Ryan Day better not lose to Mizzou
with or w/o players opting out
Well they are underdogs now- and all that.
ha! Most of the nutball OSU fans are now not caring if they win ( we will see how long that holds up lol)-but rather wanting to see the young guns and other stud recruits play.
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Well they are underdogs now- and all that.
ha! Most of the nutball OSU fans are now not caring if they win ( we will see how long that holds up lol)-but rather wanting to see the young guns and other stud recruits play.
I mean, this is exactly how a lot of actual college football coaches approach the postseason. Outside of the 2x he played for the NC, Mack Brown didn't give a crap about winning or losing bowl games. He really only valued the extra practices as a chance to start preparing his roster for the next season. Lots of coaches are like that.
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I THINK Kirby S. plays to win a bowl game. Of course, it's been a while since they've been in a real bowl game.
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I THINK Kirby S. plays to win a bowl game. Of course, it's been a while since they've been in a real bowl game.
When's the last time Georgia was in a bowl game that wasn't part of the CFP?
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dude i've been here for 20 or so years, i ain't going nowhere.
I'm curious what everyone's timeline is here.
I'm trying to remember the exact year I found CFN.. which I think it was CFN first but I'm not exactly sure. I believe this is year 24 as I think it was 1999. Badge or one of the others can probably remind me when it was bought out, which I think it was rivals.. that buyout i think happened after I had been on the board 2-3 years.
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I remember exactly, for whatever reason. I found the old CFN site the week after our Florida loss in 2006, so I've been here a little over 17 years. It was still cfn.com then....before it was merged with Scout.
I'd actually been reading cfn since 2004, but had never noticed or been interested in clicking on the discussion board.
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When's the last time Georgia was in a bowl game that wasn't part of the CFP?
2020 Peach Bowl (cincinnati), 2019 Sugar (Baylor), 2018 Sugar (UTX), 2017 CFP.
Their very first bowl game was the Orange in 1941 followed by the Rose the next season, then the Oil Bowl, then the Sugar.
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I mean, this is exactly how a lot of actual college football coaches approach the postseason. Outside of the 2x he played for the NC, Mack Brown didn't give a crap about winning or losing bowl games. He really only valued the extra practices as a chance to start preparing his roster for the next season. Lots of coaches are like that.
There was some of this pre-CFP but with the CFP sucking all the oxygen out of the room and the portal I could care less if tOSU wins or loses the Cotton Bowl and frankly I'd rather see my team basically conduct a practice/roster evaluation of the projected 2024 team and lose to Mizzou than to see them run full-tilt with Marv and a bunch of guys who aren't going to be back and blow the Tigers out without learning much about what they have for next year.
Understand I'm not saying that tOSU necessarily *WOULD* blow Mizzou out with the non-returning guys nor that they necessarily *WOULD* lose while conducting a 2024 roster evaluation. That isn't the point. The point is that I care a LOT more about prepping for 2024 than I do about winning a Cotton Bowl trophy that nobody cares about. The ideal situation would be for the Buckeyes to conduct a 2024 roster evaluation AND blow out Mizzou with essentially the 2024 team.
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Missouri is a sound team on both sides of the ball if at full strength.
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I'm curious what everyone's timeline is here.
I'm trying to remember the exact year I found CFN.. which I think it was CFN first but I'm not exactly sure. I believe this is year 24 as I think it was 1999. Badge or one of the others can probably remind me when it was bought out, which I think it was rivals.. that buyout i think happened after I had been on the board 2-3 years.
Yeah, it's tough... It definitely wasn't that early for me as I didn't find the boards until after college, and I graduated Dec 2000.
It was after that that I ended up moving to the West Coast and didn't really have a college football fix for Big Ten info. I'm sure it was probably somewhere in the 2002-2005 range for me...
Does anyone remember the actual history of which board was which as we made the various migrations, and/or when they occurred?
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I found the CFN place in 2003 I think. The Dawgs were supposed to be pretty good and the interwebz had information (much of which I later learned was baiting for clicking).
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I tend to have a pretty good memory of the posters who were here before me and came after me (or at least weren't active such that I didn't see them until later). More so on the SEC board. It took me a little time to venture out to the B12 board, and even longer to the Big Ten board. So while I remember Big Ten'ers who were already there, it's possible some of them might have actually come along after me. But unlikely, because I don't think it was that long.
Cincy, rtf, and Drew all predate me on the SEC board. Many others who are no longer around. OAM came after me. That's kinda all we have now, except for the Tennessee bunch who mostly keep to themselves on their team board.
Big 12....utee94, Erin, Mr. Tulip, CWS, Longhorn320, and Fearless were all here before me. Many other Sooners from years gone by which aren't around anymore, and a couple of Horns. Shiner as well, who mostly isn't around now.
Big Ten....wow, so many. Would probably be easier to list the people who came after me, but I don't think there are many. Yourself (SuperMario), Badger, SFBadger, MarqHusker, BBTS, ELA, MrNubbz, and I think HonestBuckeye, are all posters who predate me. A number of other Buckeyes and Michigan posters who aren't around anymore as well. I know I'm forgetting a lot of people, and there's some I'm not sure about, like Temp. Oh, and NUWildcat (RIP). I think almost everyone I see on this board came before me. Vast majority, for sure.
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That being said, i wonder how helmet schools accustomed to winning will cope with potential an extra loss or two a year now that the conferences are huge and there will be another 1-2 top tier schools in each conference.
I *THINK* it will calm everyone down a bit because single losses are no longer going to be decisive.
This year Ohio State and Georgia are not in the playoffs because of one loss each. Those losses hurt because they had a huge impact. With next year's set-up the Buckeyes and Bulldogs would be the top two at-large teams and EASILY in the field.
Additionally, with next year's setup a game between 11-0 tOSU and M teams would exist in a world where everyone knew in advance that the two would play again a week later.
If you apply next year's set-up to this year's rankings:
- All undefeated P5's would be in, M, UW, FSU
- All 1-loss P5's would be in, TX, Bama, UGA, tOSU
- Four of five 2-loss P5's would be in, Oregon, Mizzou, PSU, Ole Miss in, Oklahoma out
Nobody is going to complain about the coach or go to "FireRyanDay.com" because of a regular season loss or two if the Buckeyes go 4-0 in the playoffs.
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UT Erin, Razorchique, L'ilDawg47 ...
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If you apply next year's set-up to this year's rankings:
- All undefeated P5's would be in, M, UW, FSU
- All 1-loss P5's would be in, TX, Bama, UGA, tOSU
- Four of five 2-loss P5's would be in, Oregon, Mizzou, PSU, Ole Miss in, Oklahoma out
You have to get Liberty in the mix, and Oregon State somehow as things stand now.
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Between opt outs, injuries and portals, how many scholarship players are going to be able to play in these games?
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I'm curious what everyone's timeline is here.
I'm trying to remember the exact year I found CFN.. which I think it was CFN first but I'm not exactly sure. I believe this is year 24 as I think it was 1999. Badge or one of the others can probably remind me when it was bought out, which I think it was rivals.. that buyout i think happened after I had been on the board 2-3 years.
CFN started in 2001, I believe, and I came on in 2002. It was primarily an SEC board back then.
I know @grillrat (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=11) predates me, as did Gator and Big Beef and a few others.
The Big 12 crew we have mostly came over from the old CNN boards. @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) would know, but I think that was around Thanksgiving 2004, or maybe 2005.
I wanna say Scout bought CFN in 2007 or so, and they let us keep our CFN board there. The Scout admin was really nice to me.
Then in 2017, 247 bought Scout and that is when Drew built this board for us as 247 made no accommodation until it was too late.
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You have to get Liberty in the mix, and Oregon State somehow as things stand now.
The above did account for Liberty as the 12 would be the P5 Champs, Liberty, and six at-large:
- 6 UGA
- 7 tOSU
- 8 Oregon
- 9 Mizzou
- 10 PSU
- 11 Ole Miss
I don't think OrSU would be considered a league champ next year just because they beat WSU. I'm assuming they will drop the league champs to five and increase the at-large to seven.
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I started posting during the 1997 season
don't remember all the names of the boards, but those were good times.
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CFN started in 2001, I believe, and I came on in 2002. It was primarily an SEC board back then.
I know @grillrat (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=11) predates me, as did Gator and Big Beef and a few others.
The Big 12 crew we have mostly came over from the old CNN boards. @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) would know, but I think that was around Thanksgiving 2004, or maybe 2005.
I wanna say Scout bought CFN in 2007 or so, and they let us keep our CFN board there. The Scout admin was really nice to me.
Then in 2017, 247 bought Scout and that is when Drew built this board for us as 247 made no accommodation until it was too late.
Definitely before then. I remember being on it in my dorm room and last year in the dorm was 2000. I don't think i started posting actively on it until moving into the college house for the 2001 season. Wayback Machine has a hit as early as Jan 1999. I wish it had the pictures as downloadable because just seeing the shell of it gives me great memories.
What was the female Buckeyes screen name.. pretty sure her actual name was Jill. I was always impressed with the females that hung with the males football know-it-alls.
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buckeyecrazy??? or something like that
She attended a buckeye game in Lincoln
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I started in 2005. I remember my first post I introduced myself and Hooky started asking me all these weird questions to make sure I qualified as a Horn fan.
I was a babe in the woods and an easy target.
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Hooky had a long history of dealing with posers
mostly evil Sooners
like a dude named Samsung Soonert.
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Oh wow.. i just went down a dangerous rabbit hole for myself. Wayback machine you can actually find the message boards.. not easy, especially the early days of the website, but starting in 2003 it get's easier to find them..
Two favorite parts.. finding Gatorama posts.. and secondly, someone's signature.. wouldn't you say @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) :)
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Husker fans love mushburger
picked up an open container violation in Lincoln leaving the stadium
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Oh wow.. i just went down a dangerous rabbit hole for myself. Wayback machine you can actually find the message boards.. not easy, especially the early days of the website, but starting in 2003 it get's easier to find them..
Two favorite parts.. finding Gatorama posts.. and secondly, someone's signature.. wouldn't you say @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) :)
(https://i.imgur.com/Nlls2gM.png)
Love it. I don't like change and still call him AAA. :)
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I forgot about that.
Subconsciously- I liked him better when the “AA” turned to “ EL”
😁😁
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Love it. I don't like change and still call him AAA. :)
When did all of you knuckleheads stumble onto the CFN board?
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When did all of you knuckleheads stumble onto the CFN board?
I really don't even remember anymore. Your earlier suggestion of 2004 sounds about right? NrNubbz recalls that I created the original beer thread in December of 2005 whilst killing time and waiting for Texas to play against ESPN's anointed Greatest College Football Team Of All Time in the 2006 Rose Bowl. So it was obviously sometime before then.
Several of us started out together on the old cnn/si boards in... 1996, I think? I was worried that using the moniker utee94 might make people think I was just a young 'un and unworthy of conversation. Now, I should be so lucky!
cnn/si had me and Shiner and Slick and DustinR and some of the OG Husker Prick Squad, I THINK? @FearlessF (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10) were you on cnn/si? Or did we run into you later?
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I was on CNN/SI
not a member of the Prick Squad / obviously
I wasn't the internet nice guy winner, but ...
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I can’t even remember. I was poking around on another site- and I think buckeyecrazy invited me over here. 2001 ish??
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I can’t even remember. I was poking around on another site- and I think buckeyecrazy invited me over here. 2001 ish??
Same handle? I don't remember HB back when I started. BC wasn't here then either - I think she came in 2003 around the time AAA and @MichiFan87 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=24) showed up. @DevilFroggy (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=35) (Frog Face) was here early on too.
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I was on CNN/SI
not a member of the Prick Squad / obviously
I wasn't the internet nice guy winner, but ...
A lot of the cnn/si folks moved with us to WorldCrossing, but very few made it all the way to CFN. Some split off and stopped at Wingy's joint for a while.
Were Wildcat4Eva and Skicat also at cnn/si or did we meet them later?
I remember a super obnoxious FSU poster named Nolefan, and a crazy North Carolina fan who named himself egobuster and was quite taken with the recent football success that Mack Brown had brought to his quaint little basketball school. He was a real loudmouth shit-talker, but after Mack Brown left for Texas and UNC descended back from whence it came, he sure went away quick.
Oh and then there was FreekyOSU. He was... something else...
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I remember we used to have a poster named Royalstreet wonder what happened to him
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I remember we used to have a poster named Royalstreet wonder what happened to him
Oh yeah I remember him. And also a poster named UTErin, sure wish she'd stop by.
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Oh yeah I remember him. And also a poster named UTErin, sure wish she'd stop by.
I think I must have run her off over a discussion concerning The UT fight song
UTErin please come back Im sorry
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When did all of you knuckleheads stumble onto the CFN board?
i found a post of mine on waybackmachine from august 05. i feel certain i was on before then. i got married in 04 and was on before i got married i know.
i don't remember exactly when it was i joined, but i remember what made me stay. me and tk, along with a few other bammers and barners but mostly us two, were jawing it out. and tk posted something about being thankful he finally had a counterpart.
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I think I must have run her off over a discussion concerning The UT fight song
UTErin please come back Im sorry
damn it, Jim!
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damn it, Jim!
WTF did I do?
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I didn't say Jimbo
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i found a post of mine on waybackmachine from august 05. i feel certain i was on before then. i got married in 04 and was on before i got married i know.
i don't remember exactly when it was i joined, but i remember what made me stay. me and tk, along with a few other bammers and barners but mostly us two, were jawing it out. and tk posted something about being thankful he finally had a counterpart.
Way back then i don't think it was overly common to post in forums.. I know i used to visit the site often, read everyone's comments but not post often. So you could have been a lingerer similar to my early days . I do know it was before 2004. I found a wayback machine where I posted as Mario4heisman07 because I saw him in person in '04 in high school and was so excited to see him go to UM. That was my second name because the forum portion changed and we had to register again with new names and I can't remember what my original name even was.
Early days were awesome because after lingering for so long, it was like college football fan heaven because i would venture to the scout boards and those people were over the top crazy and the people at CFN were so reasonable.. and I could never figure out how AAA had so much time to do tall the things he did.
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I forgot about that.
Subconsciously- I liked him better when the “AA” turned to “ EL”
😁😁
Can't quite put my finger on it but me too
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damn it, Jim!
Thats my brother
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When did all of you knuckleheads stumble onto the CFN board?
I'm a bucknut get it right you flea bitten badger,actually I had been using CFN Staff writers picks(Fuitak,Cimerello,Zemek,etc.) as wagering tool when I was shall we say an aggresive investor.One day thru my bloodshot eyes I noticed an icon for the message boards and showed my self in.Of course factoring in my engaging personality many requested I show myself right the hell out. So I stuck around thru 3 board changes. That was in '02-'03 but didn't really start posting until '04 1st posters i fell in with were Gatorama and Dudek(who I'd like to see post again).Think he went by carrismyhomeboy back then,good exchanges considering they were UM guys and Tressel was turning things around.Mario went by a different name but was around.
Mdot got the ban hammer about 3X as I recall he went from Grove Blue then to More Carr Less Miles or sumsuch.Back then the exchanges were must see TV the jousts made Archie Bunker and Meathead seem tame.Big 12 Board held court and was the center of activity mostly - absolutely fetching. Would have been nice if more posters made the trip over but Drew,847 and others made transition fairly easy to follow so we're not hard to find. I know Buckeye Crazy checked back in about 2 yrs back - think she was in Cali - then disappeared just as quickly
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Yeah, it's tough... It definitely wasn't that early for me as I didn't find the boards until after college, and I graduated Dec 2000.
It was after that that I ended up moving to the West Coast and didn't really have a college football fix for Big Ten info. I'm sure it was probably somewhere in the 2002-2005 range for me...
Does anyone remember the actual history of which board was which as we made the various migrations, and/or when they occurred?
Didn't you have your own BLOG - Magnificent Fascist Bastard or some crazy title?
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I don't know much about wayback machine, but I clearly remember my first post here, and I'd just as soon no one ever find it :)
Man, I changed a lot in a short amount of time.
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Didn't you have your own BLOG - Magnificent Fascist Bastard or some crazy title?
I did. My title might have been crazy, but I wouldn't call not apologizing for being an individual to be self-aggrandizing, advocating state control of economies, or suggesting I am of questionable progeny.
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I posted on the "real" college football version of an EA NCAA message board for a couple years (2000-01?) but that board totally died in the offseason. To be honest, I don't even know how I found CFN, but I know it was in the spring of 2003. Because I was still at Indiana, and I was floored by the level of good offseason activity. I was on a very good board, but it would pick up every July when the EA game was launched, but would die after the bowls. Then you had the AOL, CNN, chat rooms, which had just way too much garbage activity
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@Kris60 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=79) predates me for sure. Was K60 on CFN.
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Mdot got the ban hammer about 3X as I recall he went from Grove Blue then to More Carr Less Miles or sumsuch.Back then the exchanges were must see TV the jousts made Archie Bunker and Meathead seem tame.Big 12 Board held court and was the center of activity mostly - absolutely fetching. Would have been nice if more posters made the trip over but Drew,847 and others made transition fairly easy to follow so we're not hard to find. I know Buckeye Crazy checked back in about 2 yrs back - think she was in Cali - then disappeared just as quickly
wait wait wait.. you just blew my mind. You're telling me Mdot was on the old boards and was Grove Blue and then morecarrlessmiles? I seriously had no idea and never connected those dots at all!
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I didn't know that, either.
So when exactly did he completely lose his mind???
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Well based on current antics I'm not shocked he got the banhammer back in the day...
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wait wait wait.. you just blew my mind. You're telling me Mdot was on the old boards and was Grove Blue and then morecarrlessmiles? I seriously had no idea and never connected those dots at all!
Geez....also did not know that. Makes so much sense now.
I was convinced Grove Blue was certifiable.
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@Kris60 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=79) predates me for sure. Was K60 on CFN.
I don’t think so. I stumbled upon the old CFN board somewhere around 2001 or 2002 and I’m pretty sure you were already here.
I was visiting a buddy outside of Atlanta where he was in Chiropractic school. One day he was surfing the net and I saw him land on the CFN home page. I didn’t even have a computer yet. I was intrigued that you could get on a site and talk about college football with other people around the country.
So, when I got home I would occasionally go to the library and pull up the site. I don’t remember when I finally posted.
Btw, when I asked my buddy about CFN he said it sucked and there were much better boards out there. Lmao.
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There used to be a Georgia Tech fan named GTKen who used to get into it all the time with a Michigan fan about ACC/Big Ten stuff. Those guys would go at each other.
Ronniedobbs was a Pitt fan but a good poster. I liked reading his takes. There was a WVU fan who I think posted under WVUFan on here. I met him and Gatorama briefly at the WVU-Mississippi St game in Morgantown in 2007. Nice guys.
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Yeah I remember WVUfan. Vaguely...
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I’m trying to remember when I showed up here. 2006 maybe?
I remember talking about maybe going to a badger bar for the 2008 outback bowl on this. I think I mostly came over because I already had the scout login from a now very dead UW-specific site
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The poster I probably miss most who was here before me is 25 4 Heisman. It's hard to combine being a dick and being likable into one persona, but he pulled it off. A greater internet troll, there never was.
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Does anyone know what happened with DudeKD.
He was solid. Just stopped posting a few years back.
Same with Bamabuckeye.
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Does anyone know what happened with DudeKD.
He was solid. Just stopped posting a few years back.
Same with Bamabuckeye.
Wow.. I forgot about bamabuckeye and no idea how I did. Very very good poster. So was DudeKD. Throw in RhoadDawg and Buckeyecraazy and we are missing some of my favorite posters in this group.
What about SFBadger? Also someone I had tremendous respect for and always appreciated the intellect level.
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The poster I probably miss most who was here before me is 25 4 Heisman. It's hard to combine being a dick and being likable into one persona, but he pulled it off. A greater internet troll, there never was.
25 was good. spliofus or something. sparky. trojanmark. gatorrebel. mr hoople and ftbobs. can't remember his name on cfn but alacyclone on rivals was on there for a while. nice dude.
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Wow.. I forgot about bamabuckeye and no idea how I did. Very very good poster. So was DudeKD. Throw in RhoadDawg and Buckeyecraazy and we are missing some of my favorite posters in this group.
What about SFBadger? Also someone I had tremendous respect for and always appreciated the intellect level.
@SFBadger96 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=51) is still here, i think.
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mr hoople and ftbobs.
wow these are also good ones.. Hoople was awesome. wasn't he a big data guy?
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ftbobs was the data guy. Hoople worked with him somehow.
I liked when we had some WOMEN around here.
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I want to say Hoople owned the servers that hosted ftbobs' cfb stats site. Something like that. I think about him periodically and wish he could've been around to see UGA's success, lately.
ftbobs' site was incredible. Haven't seen anything like it before or since. Wish he still had that going.
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ftbobs was the data guy. Hoople worked with him somehow.
I liked when we had some WOMEN around here.
Me too.. they brought a little calm.. Someone track down buckeyecraaazy!!!
See, isn't this a much better topic than talking about Stallions?
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I don't know what Buckeyecrazy's deal is. I know for sure she still keeps track of her Buckeyes and most things cfb.
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https://twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1732828361175491068?s=20
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Which one of those 2022 ones was Michigan, and which was TCU?
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I did. My title might have been crazy, but I wouldn't call not apologizing for being an individual to be self-aggrandizing, advocating state control of economies, or suggesting I am of questionable progeny.
Well that title wasn't meant to be biographical or cause any umbrage regarding politcs,beliefs or income.Not like I cursed home brewing IPAs or anything. Just remember it was weird/funny titled blog as I read it when you mentioned it like 15 or so yrs back. My memory simply took a brazen guess,so what was the name of it? As I swung and missed
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wow these are also good ones.. Hoople was awesome. wasn't he a big data guy?
the bobs was the data guy, hoople helped him host his site and program it a bit or something. hoop passed away shortly before/after we moved here. i know drew tried to work with the bobs, but hoops death just hit him hard and he lost desire to keep it up. it's extremely unfortunate because it was easily the most exhaustive data set of historical cfb data out there.
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Ya Hoople was a really decent,agreeable sort,wonder if he and Gator ever comiserated over some suds
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Well that title wasn't meant to be biographical or cause any umbrage regarding politcs,beliefs or income.Not like I cursed home brewing IPAs or anything. Just remember it was weird/funny titled blog as I read it when you mentioned it like 15 or so yrs back. My memory simply took a brazen guess,so what was the name of it? As I swung and missed
Unrepentant Individual
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https://twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1732828361175491068?s=20
What was FSU’s?
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Me too.. they brought a little calm.. Someone track down buckeyecraaazy!!!
See, isn't this a much better topic than talking about Stallions?
Yes!!
whi cares about scallions any way? They are overrated, and dominate any food you put them in
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I'm more of a shallot kind of guy.
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@SFBadger96 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=51) is still here, i think.
I make occaisional drive bys. I'm not here very often, but like to drop in to see what y'all are up to.
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I make occaisional drive bys. I'm not here very often, but like to drop in to see what y'all are up to.
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You should come by more often. Great cooking content on this board.
And ever since we all started discussing Michigan's blatant cheating scandal, it really crowded out the politics crap :57:
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You should come by more often. Great cooking content on this board.
And ever since we all started discussing Michigan's blatant cheating scandal, it really crowded out the politics crap :57:
Come for the Michigan cheating, stay for the delightful etouffee
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Reasons you see less of me:
- "new" site took a toll on the population.
- my kids were in their golden, then teen years 2010 to now (one in college now, one a junior in high school), and they play(ed) soccer on Saturdays during the fall--with me coaching since then, and refereeing starting in '14--so I spend a lot less time watching college football than I used to. And the teen years required a lot of very specific attention.
- took a new job in 2017 that I focused more of my energy on (and continue to).
- during COVID, I think, I felt like things started getting a little more overtly political around here, which turned me off. I used to love politics (hell, my wife is literally a politician), but it's become so tribal of late, and seeing it here wasn't working for me.
But bottom line, since 2019, things have been on a freight train in the SF-house. Signs that it may slow down a bit with one, and soon (hopefully) two kids off at college, but we're not there yet.
Still enjoy coming around, though. This place is alright.
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Come for the Michigan cheating, stay for the delightful etouffee
Mmmm....etouffee...
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Come for the Michigan cheating, stay for the delightful etouffee
that was hilarious....for real :043:
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Come for the Michigan cheating, stay for the delightful etouffee
If only
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Reasons you see less of me:
- "new" site took a toll on the population.
- my kids were in their golden, then teen years 2010 to now (one in college now, one a junior in high school), and they play(ed) soccer on Saturdays during the fall--with me coaching since then, and refereeing starting in '14--so I spend a lot less time watching college football than I used to. And the teen years required a lot of very specific attention.
- took a new job in 2017 that I focused more of my energy on (and continue to).
- during COVID, I think, I felt like things started getting a little more overtly political around here, which turned me off. I used to love politics (hell, my wife is literally a politician), but it's become so tribal of late, and seeing it here wasn't working for me.
But bottom line, since 2019, things have been on a freight train in the SF-house. Signs that it may slow down a bit with one, and soon (hopefully) two kids off at college, but we're not there yet.
Still enjoy coming around, though. This place is alright.
Sounds like you and the family are doing well and that's the most important part. Definitely understand seasons of life can take us away, but good to see it still brings a lot of us back over and over. I definitely had a few years I wasn't on here much at all. Babies at home, starting a business, while trying to juggle that and building a house. There's just seasons in life where it feels like we can't even find the time to have moments for ourselves, but for good reason.
When life slows down a bit, just don't forget to keep filling this place with good insight and feedback on life, even if college football turns into a mess, which it looks like it is. To this day, one of my favorite restaurant experiences was at your recommendation of Fog City Diner. I think that was probably 14-15 years ago. It's what makes this group special in my opinion. It's more than just football sometimes. For me, it's what the draw was way back in the day with Gator and his travel stories and the insight from so many people from so many parts of the country.
And PS.. our history we always banned politics here.. We should always stick with the ban :)
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And PS.. our history we always banned politics here.. We should always stick with the ban :)
+1
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We haven't always banned politics. It was open back in the day, and resulted in some, well, unpleasantness. I think CWSooner was one of the culprits. Finally "we" decided enough was enough.
Then I broke the tradition with the "In Other News" thread which was allowed to wonder hither and yon, usually being "OK", sometimes not so much.
I have realized my "conservative friends" think I'm a liberal, if not a communist (mostly on FB) while my "liberal friends" think I'm a "Trumpista fascist radical conservative far right wing zealot Christian wannabe member of some militia who owns 15 AR15s if not more".
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well, which one are ya?
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I have realized my "conservative friends" think I'm a liberal, if not a communist (mostly on FB) while my "liberal friends" think I'm a "Trumpista fascist radical conservative far right wing zealot Christian wannabe member of some militia who owns 15 AR15s if not more".
How many do you own?
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I dislike labels and am against ALL over generalizations. I also do not own any rifles of any make.
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I have a .22, which as far as I know, is only good for hunting wascally wabbits, or something like that. I'm still in city limits and I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to use it here. Although there are some armadillos digging up my back yard of late that are testing my devotion to the law.
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.22 long rifle - rabbits and all other rodents (squirrels, gophers, ground hogs, rats), varmints (pests) feral cats, skunks, opossum, fox, badgers, weasels, stray dogs and cats.
and birds and reptiles
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.22 long rifle - rabbits and all other rodents (squirrels, gophers, ground hogs, rats), varmints (pests) feral cats, skunks, opossum, fox, badgers, weasels, stray dogs and cats.
and birds and reptiles
(https://i.imgur.com/FbdV6SK.jpg)
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.22 long rifle - rabbits and all other rodents (squirrels, gophers, ground hogs, rats), varmints (pests) feral cats, skunks, opossum, fox, badgers, weasels, stray dogs and cats.
and birds and reptiles
I'd never shoot Badger or Gopher with my 22. Way too likable and good for conversation at the bars.
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Correct for a Badger you might have to go up a caiber say a .223
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I have a .22, which as far as I know, is only good for hunting wascally wabbits, or something like that. I'm still in city limits and I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to use it here. Although there are some armadillos digging up my back yard of late that are testing my devotion to the law.
Haha. Don't fire in city limits. There was a guy in our city that fired on a coyote that ran at his family in his backyard, city around a fire pit and he was charged with illegal discharge, which was odd considering the circumstances.
I won't list what's in my safe, but I certainly wasn't a firearm person growing up and my mom was 100% against them, even though my dad is an Army vet. Later in life, I became close with a guy I met through my professional life and we became incredibly close. He's a former special forces, airborn ranger that was a sniper and served two tours in Afghanistan. Needless to say, he forced me to go out to the range a few times and it just became an excuse to spend time with a very good man.
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(https://i.imgur.com/Sx7pthM.png)
Which is more dangerous?
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[img width=500 height=297.993]https://i.imgur.com/Sx7pthM.png[/img]
Which is more dangerous?
lol.. here's my political response since we talk politics now ;)
Depends whose hands they are in.
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It's really not political, but it's really unrelated to the topic.
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It's really not political, but it's really unrelated to the topic.
Elaborate or pm me if best. I’m not following what you’re saying.
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I'd never shoot Badger or Gopher with my 22. Way too likable and good for conversation at the bars.
Easiest way to kill them is to eliminate divisions
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Or stop rowing
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Or stop rowing
Gophers drown. Trust me, that's how I eliminated an infestation
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A little hard to tell from that picture. Let's first assume that both of these are actually rifles, and not just dummies, and that both are loaded with the rounds they are designed to shoot.
I'm assuming based on the question that one is a Mini-14 and one is an AR-15, but the bottom one could be one of several M-16 variants as well. Depending on what variant the black one is--whether it's an M16 or M16A1, A2, or a civilian AR-15 will determine whether it is capable of firing full auto (M16 or A1), 3-round burst (A2), or semi-auto (AR-15). I think it's fair to say that a fully-automatic firearm with otherwise the same ballistics as a semi-auto is "more dangerous" (same for a 3-round burst vs. semi-auto.) I believe the Mini-14 was only ever a civilian rifle, so it would necessarily be a semi-auto.
I'll assume that we're talking about a Mini-14 and an AR-15.
If I'm not mistaken, both fire the same round, the NATO 5.56x45 round, but it could be the .223 Remington--regardless, they are effectively the same. The ballistics of a single round fired will therefore be equal, or at least awfully close to equal. So, again, it's a wash. And both have essentially the same barrel, so effectively the same accuracy. We'll call that a wash. If I'm wrong, and one is more accurate than the other, then that one is marginally more dangerous (depending on how much more accurate it is).
As pictured, the Mini-14 appears to have a 20-round magazine. The AR-15 appears to be pictured with a 30-round magazine, so the person firing it has to reload approximately 50% less frequently if they are going on a shooting spree. That can be pretty significant in a fire fight. (Reloading is--apparently--often when mass-shooters are taken down; that's what happened in Tennessee at that school shooting this year, IIRC.) So I think it's fair to say it's "more dangerous," but only on the basis of the magazine shown. Also, I'm pretty confident you could put that same 30-round magazine in the Mini-14 without any trouble at all.
Additionally, the Mini-14 has iron sights, and a fixed stock. While I'm sure one can mount an optic site on a Mini-14, it isn't as easy as doing so on an AR-15 variant, which has a more functional modular rail system (not sure that's the right terminology, but that's the point). The AR-15 also has iron sights, but, again, it's easier to mount optics on it. The fixed stock makes it harder to modify the Mini-14 to put different grips or a bipod on it, which can improve its stability when firing, but I'm reasonably confident that you can purchase a bipod that will fit that rifle, and you could almost certainly take the rifle to a well-equipped shop that could fit it with a different grip system. Stability matters when shooting, so the ability to easily fit a bipod or different grip system also makes the AR-15 marginally more dangerous, but only in the sense that it is easier for a user to make it a more effective firearm than for the Mini-14--but a committed user of the Mini-14 will still be able to modify it in functionally equivalent ways.
As pictured, the AR-15 has a bayonet mount, I think. The Mini-14 pictured does not appear to, but I'm pretty sure some Mini-14s do have them, so we'll call that a wash, but if I'm wrong and the Mini-14 cannot mount a bayonet (or at least not without some kind of significant modification, that, again, makes the AR-15 marginally more dangerous).
Overall, I think it's fair to say that the AR-15 is marginally more dangerous than the Mini-14, particularly as pictured with different sized magazines. However, a person on the receiving end of a round fired by one versus the other won't care whether one has a bipod and the other one does not, or one has a larger magazine than the other. The ballistic effect of the round will be the same. And if they receive multiple wounds as a result of the same semi-auto rate of fire (which they both have)--again--they won't care about the marginal differences I've pointed out.
CD, Was that what you were looking for? :-)
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Gophers drown. Trust me, that's how I eliminated an infestation
Well PJ's still rowing
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CD, Was that what you were looking for? :-)
Basically. Folks focus on the AR-15 "style" of rifle when rifles of any kind are rarely used in gun crimes for obvious reasons. And rifles with similar lethality to the "AR-15" are not considered "assault rifles" and would still be available in any "ban".
But they look scary.
It's sort of a metaphor, for me, about how too many folks approach problems.
I came across a fellow down on all fours looking for something in downtown Cincinnati once at Maple and Fourth. I asked what he was doing.
"Looking for my glasses" So, I proceeded to help him. "Where were you when you discovered they were lost?"
"Oh, one Walnut and Sixth".
"Why aren't you looking there?"
"The light is much better here."
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How many do you own?
Long guns?
I have a shotgun (12 gauge) and an AR (556 Nato).
Hand guns?
S&W Bodyguard 380 (concealed gun, not that I do it - lots of recoil!)
S&W 9mm EZ (wife's)
S&W 22 revolver 4"
S&W 357 Magnum 4"
S&W 44 Magnum 6" (that's a LOT of gun! You better know what the hell you are doing when you fire that.)
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Anyway, if you want to kill this Badger, ya better come in heavy. ;)
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https://youtu.be/CUcMejznMcc
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Anyway, if you want to kill this Badger, ya better come in heavy. ;)
Well I'd have a go with a Winchester 12ga. along with Brenneke Rifled Deer Slugs.But unless the economy takes a real dump,much worse than it is now not sure you'd be good eating - old,gristled,stringy,tough for sure,like a longhorn. Plus you woudn't fit over the sink maybe 94 could do something with you,though
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you'd be better with buckshot
might hit what yer shootin at
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That was never a problem when a clean shot for some venison presented itself.Quite a few times never shot because brush/tree limbs in the way.Whilst Grouse hunting yrs back we found some inclines/ridges where herds of Whitetails had been coming/going.Never hunted it for deer though as it would have taken a helicopter or team of axemen to haul the quarry thru the terrain and back up to the truck.Would have had to eaten it on the way just to make it back
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hah, figured you shoot as straight as I putt
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Haha. Don't fire in city limits. There was a guy in our city that fired on a coyote that ran at his family in his backyard, city around a fire pit and he was charged with illegal discharge, which was odd considering the circumstances.
I won't list what's in my safe, but I certainly wasn't a firearm person growing up and my mom was 100% against them, even though my dad is an Army vet. Later in life, I became close with a guy I met through my professional life and we became incredibly close. He's a former special forces, airborn ranger that was a sniper and served two tours in Afghanistan. Needless to say, he forced me to go out to the range a few times and it just became an excuse to spend time with a very good man.
Kinda OT, but you made me think of a time I went camping with my roommate years ago with our Doberman. There were coyotes out there and turns out I really didn't know a lot about coyotes. I thought they were badasses that would take out any domesticated dogs. Come to find out, they did not want any of our Doberman, but he sure did want a piece of them. I later told my surprise to a guy I worked with who fancied himself a wildlife and wilderness "expert." He said on his property he had to watch out for coyotes because they would kill his small animals and his small dogs as well if they had the chance, but that his German Shepherd routinely brawled with them and would bring back wounded or dead coyotes to him. Said many large breeds of dogs are too much for coyotes and he wasn't surprised my Doberman ran them off. I had no idea.
Back on topic, the .22 is the only one that's "mine." All the handguns here, believe it or not, belong to my wife.
Texans.
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Nubbz..................
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hah, figured you shoot as straight as I putt
when it came to Grouse hunting you'd be right.Get down there in the southern part of the state,deep woods,hills,ravines,ridges amongst some thick conifer stands - it's a great time,Excersize a hell of a lot more than 18 holes.Grouse a quick,evasive hard to hit as they rocket thru brush,growth,tangle & trees - amazing,thoroughly enjoyed it even coming back with an empty game pouch.
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I was a pretty good wing shooter back in the day
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Kinda OT, but you made me think of a time I went camping with my roommate years ago with our Doberman. There were coyotes out there and turns out I really didn't know a lot about coyotes. I thought they were badasses that would take out any domesticated dogs. Come to find out, they did not want any of our Doberman, but he sure did want a piece of them. I later told my surprise to a guy I worked with who fancied himself a wildlife and wilderness "expert." He said on his property he had to watch out for coyotes because they would kill his small animals and his small dogs as well if they had the chance, but that his German Shepherd routinely brawled with them and would bring back wounded or dead coyotes to him. Said many large breeds of dogs are too much for coyotes and he wasn't surprised my Doberman ran them off. I had no idea.
Yeah, we have coyotes here and I don't worry about them at all. Was walking the dog (90#+ golden retriever) one morning and heard there was a coyote in the neighborhood. Ended up running into another guy with his dog and we spotted the coyote. It ran down the sidewalk on the opposite side of the street and wanted NO part of us.
I've spotted them a couple other times and they always give us a wide berth.
Now if I spotted a mountain lion, I'd be sh!tt!ng myself...
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Nice game in Brookings SD.
#1 defending champ Jackrabbits playing #8 Villanova
27 degrees, 25mph winds, 17 degrees wind chill
Jacks with the blocked punt for a TD!
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Nubbz..................
(https://i.imgur.com/Fy2tPv4.jpg)
Stick Al Bundy's face on that and you're getting close
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Now if I spotted a mountain lion, I'd be sh!tt!ng myself...
Minneapolis — The Minnesota State Patrol confirmed a westbound motorist struck and killed a cougar on I-394 at Theodore Wirth Parkway in the city of Minneapolis at 2:15 a.m. on Wednesday, Dec. 6.
Lt. Jill Frankfurth, public information officer for Minnesota State Patrol, said a 53-year-old male was driving a Hummer H3 when it struck the cougar, swerved, and struck the concrete barrier. The driver wasn’t injured, and the cougar was killed upon impact.
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@GopherRock (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=47) 's neighborhood
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Throw it on the spit while it's still warm
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I don't think Cat is very tasty a tall
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Pussy
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WILMINGTON, Delaware (Reuters) - A group of Catholic nuns on Tuesday sued the board of Smith & Wesson to try to force the gunmaker to abandon the manufacture, marketing and sales of assault-style rifles that have been used in U.S. mass shootings.
The nuns, in a lawsuit filed in state court in Nevada, allege that Smith & Wesson's directors and senior management exposed the company to significant liability by intentionally violating federal, state and local laws and failing to respond to lawsuits over mass shootings.
"These rifles have no purpose other than mass murder," the nuns said in a statement.
Smith & Wesson, which is incorporated in Nevada, did not respond immediately to a request for comment.
AR-15 assault-style rifles have been used in a number of mass shootings that have shocked Americans.
The first page of the lawsuit contains a photo from a mass shooting at a Colorado cinema in 2012 that showed a Smith & Wesson assault rifle on the blood-splattered ground next to pink sandals. Twelve people died and 70 were injured in the attack.
The group of nuns filed the lawsuit in their role as Smith & Wesson shareholders, in what is known as a derivative lawsuit. Such lawsuits seek to hold corporate boards liable for breaches of their duties to shareholders, although courts generally find boards are protected from lawsuits for good-faith decisions.
If successful, the lawsuit would hold the company's directors liable for any costs associated with the allegedly illegal marketing of assault rifles and any damages would be paid to Smith & Wesson, not the plaintiffs.
The lawsuit is the first derivate case against a board over assault rifles, according to Jeffrey Norton, an attorney for the nuns.
The nuns alleged that the directors of Smith & Wesson have ignored growing legal risks from making assault-style rifles.
For many years, gunmakers enjoyed broad immunity for liability from mass shootings due to a 2005 U.S. law known as the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. But last year, rival gunmaker Remington agreed to pay $73 million to settle claims by families of the victims of the 2012 shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut, which has encouraged others to sue over mass shootings.
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HOW ARE ALL THESE FCS PLAYERS DOING THE FOOTBALL DURING FINALS?!?!?!
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There is a portal for that too
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schedules can be shifted for those playing school
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https://twitter.com/DrewCHallett/status/1733955159867146630?s=20
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Well Bama isn't exactly clutching it's pearls.UM is 1-6 under Harbaugh in Bowls. One a 35-16 loss to Alabama
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part of the SP+ rating was earned while cheating
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https://twitter.com/DrewCHallett/status/1733955159867146630?s=20
My takeaway: so far, the only CFP team to beat Alabama lately is another SEC team, and this is supposed to be good for UM?
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My takeaway: so far, the only CFP team to beat Alabama lately is another SEC team, and this is supposed to be good for UM?
What a sassy yet dumb thing to say.
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it's an SEC thing
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It just means more.
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Man next year when Texas is in the SEC, y'all are really going to start hurting my feelings.
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hell, I've been hurting your feelings for decades ;)
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I'm willing to admit Texas to the SEC early so 'we" can claim another NC.
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I'm willing to admit Texas to the SEC early so 'we" can claim another NC.
deal if we can claim Washington early just in case they win it all.
BIG! BIG! BIG! Or is it B ONE G! B ONE G! B ONE G! Who knows with that confusing stupid logo.
Am I doing it right SEC cucks? Not used to the whole conference pride thing….sorry.
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wonder if FSU’s snub makes them try to leave the ACC even faster than they already were.
Still think FSU + Miami to the B1G would be the play if the B1G wants to expand to 20.
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F the Canes
don't need em
FSU and ND
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I don't view FSU as a major "get" by anyone, they probably best fit in the SEC obviously, along with Clemson. Both might be break even, not sure.
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What happens with the Pac 3?
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join the WAC
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Honestly, conference expansion at this point doesn't matter. It's all just a holding pattern until the $$$ programs break off and form their own league.
Which I'm going to give an O/U of 6.5 seasons from now. I think it happens around 2030.
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I dunno, the $$$ programs still need to schedule pastries.
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I dunno, the $$$ programs still need to schedule pastries.
Why?
And even if they do, how will current/near-term conference affiliations make a difference in doing so?
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Pastries need the money, power teams need the wins.
I suppose we could see some kind of Power 5 gizmo with no games against anyone else, with only the top 40 or so programs, but I don't see it, in college. Yet.
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hell, I've been hurting your feelings for decades ;)
Shame the 'Skers didn't do the dirty work for you
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Pastries need the money, power teams need the wins.
I suppose we could see some kind of Power 5 gizmo with no games against anyone else, with only the top 40 or so programs, but I don't see it, in college. Yet.
Not sure they need the wins.
Maybe they need tune-up games... We'll call them "exhibition games" like the NFL. Maybe they count for the record books or maybe they don't, but why would the top 40 programs all vying for the playoffs really count games against pastries for anything, ya know, important?
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I think he meant that for the "haves" to have 12-1 and 10-2 and 11-2 type seasons year in and year out, they beat up on the have-nots and don't beat each other up all that much.
If you take the top 40 programs, many of them that are used to having the above records will suddenly start going 4-8 and 6-6 and 3-9. Year after year.
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I think he meant that for the "haves" to have 12-1 and 10-2 and 11-2 type seasons year in and year out, they beat up on the have-nots and don't beat each other up all that much.
If you take the top 40 programs, many of them that are used to having the above records will suddenly start going 4-8 and 6-6 and 3-9. Year after year.
Aww... Someone grab me a tissue, because I can't stop weeping for their misfortune.
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Aww... Someone grab me a tissue, because I can't stop weeping for their misfortune.
I assume Cowboys and Packers fans understand when their teams go 5-11
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I assume Cowboys and Packers fans understand when their teams go 5-11
Well neither of those storied franchises played .800 ball for decades.
These are a bunch of programs that are used to getting their way and simple logic dictates some are going to become the new "have-nots."
It's not going to go well.
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These are a bunch of programs that are used to getting their way and simple logic dictates some are going to become the new "have-nots."
It's not going to go well.
It's not going well now. They're burning the sport down already.
The new "have-nots" are going to be pissed. I get that. And the remaining "haves" are not going to be in good shape when the sport is burnt down either. If the sport becomes a watered-down NFL but without any semblance of parity, I'm guessing that everyone outside of 12-15 fan bases will disengage. At that point, the money dries up, because the ratings dry up, and everyone's screwed.
The desire to make everything in the sport about "crowning a single objective champion" when you have 120-130 teams--110+ or so which have no shot at it at all--screwed it up. NIL and the transfer portal further eliminated those 110+ teams from caring.
So who cares about the 11-20th teams who used to get their way but are now the have-nots?
(https://i.imgur.com/bSxcUED.png)
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Rivalries are a thing in CFB, right? The do ebb and flow, and sometimes basically disappear in significance or consequence. Would say Georgia Tech make the cut in this "New World Order"?
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The NCAA prez thinks it's all about the money
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Rivalries are a thing in CFB, right? The do ebb and flow, and sometimes basically disappear in significance or consequence. Would say Georgia Tech make the cut in this "New World Order"?
Not a chance.
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I'm sure CFB will evolve, probably in ways many of us dislike, but givern how long it took to go from only bowl games to the BCS to the CFP and now the playoff, I think it'll be a while before another major shift occurs.
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I'm sure CFB will evolve, probably in ways many of us dislike, but givern how long it took to go from only bowl games to the BCS to the CFP and now the playoff, I think it'll be a while before another major shift occurs.
The next major shift is death. How long do you think?
I give it 5-6 years.
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Not sure they need the wins.
Maybe they need tune-up games... We'll call them "exhibition games" like the NFL. Maybe they count for the record books or maybe they don't, but why would the top 40 programs all vying for the playoffs really count games against pastries for anything, ya know, important?
Of course they need wins.
Even as the schedule gets tougher, people's expectations don't go down. And as much as this sport is a churning cauldron of unrealistic people, it's not measured in championships or playoff spots. It's measured in wins. 10-2 and 8-4s and such. And when you break off fully, a bunch of 8-4 teams become 2-10 teams. And that would be a real problem for them. It's gonna be a problem when they become 7-5/6-6. (The NFL gets around this by having the consolation of the draft. CFB's only consolation is a new HC)
And that's the way it is. Even as the sport is nationalized, the majority of folks are mostly focused on their team. And most fanbases are not dwelling in this particular strain of nihilism and you seem to be so enchanted by at the moment.
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I assume Cowboys and Packers fans understand when their teams go 5-11
They have a draft and are not crowdfunded.
Whether the people who run this sport understand that, well that remains to be seen.
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The next major shift is death. How long do you think?
I give it 5-6 years.
Ya they could never get enough coverage or coin.These idiots will not get a true Champion,they'll get the team who had the least amount of Sunday bound kids that sat.It also sort of punishes the Student athletes by keeping them away from their actual focus,wonder how many of the non schollies will just say screw it and drop football.Ya 5-6 yrs then maybe reform
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I'm sure CFB will evolve, probably in ways many of us dislike, but givern how long it took to go from only bowl games to the BCS to the CFP and now the playoff, I think it'll be a while before another major shift occurs.
I'm not so sure, I think changes are accelerating.
We had the bowls as individual games with no combined scheduling for roughly a Century.
The Bowl Coalition and Bowl Alliance lasted a combined six years (1992-1997).
The BCS lasted 16 years (1998-2013).
The Coalition, Alliance, and BCS were all basically two-team playoffs and they lasted a combined 22 years.
The four-team CFP lasted ten years (2014-2023).
Now we are going to a 12-team playoff.
The last change was doubling the playoff after 22 years, this one triples it after just 10.
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The next major shift is death. How long do you think?
I give it 5-6 years.
This currently has my vote.
LSU already can't compete in the portal with schools with richer NIL-sources. If that continues, and I'm not sure at the moment why it wouldn't, LSU is an example of a "have" that's about to go to a "have not." Sure, they'd be brought into whatever new superconference gives the finger to the NCAA, but then what? They aren't going to thrive there.
Just a matter of how long it takes the fans to catch on to what's happening. There are many, many, many lifelong, hardcore LSU fans who believe that things are going to turn around eventually because they always have, and they may live out the rest of their lives and die without realizing an entire paradigm-shift occurred. For others like me, it hasn't even really happened yet, and my interest is already waning.
It could keep going--artificially, in a sense--for as long as the majority of a fanbase doesn't catch on. Using us as an example again, LSU could technically become useless, but we still benefit teams like Texas and Alabama to play for as long as we have rabid fans. The economics could keep viability longer than seems warranted, even as the actual product on the field may be shot to hell.
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I see enormous fan enthusiasm on TV at places like A&M, LSU, Auburn, Penn State, etc., all programs with basically a "once in a lifetime" shot at an NC. TV ratings are pretty good. We all agree $$$ is the driver for nearly everything. The $$$ is going to be there pretty long term, decades.
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Of course they need wins.
Even as the schedule gets tougher, people's expectations don't go down. And as much as this sport is a churning cauldron of unrealistic people, it's not measured in championships or playoff spots. It's measured in wins. 10-2 and 8-4s and such. And when you break off fully, a bunch of 8-4 teams become 2-10 teams. And that would be a real problem for them. It's gonna be a problem when they become 7-5/6-6. (The NFL gets around this by having the consolation of the draft. CFB's only consolation is a new HC)
And that's the way it is. Even as the sport is nationalized, the majority of folks are mostly focused on their team. And most fanbases are not dwelling in this particular strain of nihilism and you seem to be so enchanted by at the moment.
It's not measured in championships or playoff spots?
Tell that to the FSU, Georgia, and OSU fan bases.
As for my particular strain of nihilism, it seems to be catching around here...
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Let's imagine some "super league" as is being discussed where you only play your near peers. So, let's include say Auburn, and their schedule is basically 6 games against "Texas" on the road and 5 more against "Texas" at home, and maybe a home game with Vanderbilt, if they make it, or Ole Miss, or Miss State, whoever. They may have three games they realistically could win, so their 8-4 season otherwise in today's model turns into 2-10.
Their years play out 2-10, 3-9, and then they have a really solid team and make it to 6-6. Their fan support will dwindle, recruiting will ebb severely, and the team soon enough will look more like UAB than Auburn of today. Maybe they get relegated.
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I get some Georgia Tech comments on FB from time to time, just saw one proudly noting they have sold out their bowl ticket allotment. They are 6-6, going to the Gasparillo Bowl somewhere, and it's great they sold out. They mostly seem quite proud of this team. I wouldn't deprive them of that feeling.
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I get some Georgia Tech comments on FB from time to time, just saw one proudly noting they have sold out their bowl ticket allotment. They are 6-6, going to the Gasparillo Bowl somewhere, and it's great they sold out. They mostly seem quite proud of this team. I wouldn't deprive them of that feeling.
They might never make another bowl game the way things are going.
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It's not measured in championships or playoff spots?
Tell that to the FSU, Georgia, and OSU fan bases.
As for my particular strain of nihilism, it seems to be catching around here...
FSU has been bad for a minute. If they’d gone 11-1 this year and missed the playoff. Wouldn’t have rioted. UGA and OSU, that’s nice for them. They are not the bulk of this enterprise. (Oddly, credit UGA for not being near as pissy over it as I expected)
I mean, this sport isn’t built on our mostly erudite form of message boarding. It is built on a kind of complaining, but not the kind disciplined enough bathe in despondence and then aggressively opt out. It’s built on a blend of the deranged and the casual.
I meant to reply to an earlier post, but might as well do it here. Folks love to talk about all the oxygen being sucked up, by this that or the other. And I just live all that by the state motto of SC. “While I breathe, I hope.” In balance, I don’t care where someone else’s oxygen goes. I can enjoy the Egg Bowl and Army-Navy and Arkansas and Tennessee running wildly different versions of the same offense. If someone else doesn’t, won’t effect me.
(is this influenced by coming of age during BCS chases and realizing the difference in making a game an hour later in Orlando instead of Tampa was not bringing me much joy? Yes, yes it is.)
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Let's imagine some "super league" as is being discussed where you only play your near peers. So, let's include say Auburn, and their schedule is basically 6 games against "Texas" on the road and 5 more against "Texas" at home, and maybe a home game with Vanderbilt, if they make it, or Ole Miss, or Miss State, whoever. They may have three games they realistically could win, so their 8-4 season otherwise in today's model turns into 2-10.
Their years play out 2-10, 3-9, and then they have a really solid team and make it to 6-6. Their fan support will dwindle, recruiting will ebb severely, and the team soon enough will look more like UAB than Auburn of today. Maybe they get relegated.
If this happens, I’m kinda fascinated at the other side.
You get teams like Cal, Baylor, GT running up nice records, fans having fun. Could be interesting.
I think the crossover has always mattered because wins feed up. P5 have nots get a good time taking wins from G5s. G5s get joy from conference play and the odd upset. And G5 fanbases are smaller, thus feel less sting going 3-9 or whatnot.
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FSU has been bad for a minute. If they’d gone 11-1 this year and missed the playoff. Wouldn’t have rioted. UGA and OSU, that’s nice for them. They are not the bulk of this enterprise. (Oddly, credit UGA for not being near as pissy over it as I expected)
I mean, this sport isn’t built on our mostly erudite form of message boarding. It is built on a kind of complaining, but not the kind disciplined enough bathe in despondence and then aggressively opt out. It’s built on a blend of the deranged and the casual.
I meant to reply to an earlier post, but might as well do it here. Folks love to talk about all the oxygen being sucked up, by this that or the other. And I just live all that by the state motto of SC. “While I breathe, I hope.” In balance, I don’t care where someone else’s oxygen goes. I can enjoy the Egg Bowl and Army-Navy and Arkansas and Tennessee running wildly different versions of the same offense. If someone else doesn’t, won’t effect me.
(is this influenced by coming of age during BCS chases and realizing the difference in making a game an hour later in Orlando instead of Tampa was not bringing me much joy? Yes, yes it is.)
I should point out that part of that post was about today, and part of it (that I didn't really mention) was about what's happening going forward.
Today, those are three fan bases that are "left out." UGA and OSU in particular feeling like their seasons weren't all that successful because they measure success by making the playoffs. FSU is a special case because you can't call their season anything but a success--yet they're still left out.
But go forward a year and we have a 12-team playoff. Now FSU/UGA/OSU all get in. Now for them to miss the playoff it has to probably be a 3-loss season. Making the playoff is more accessible and becomes more important to fans of those programs as a whole.
You said the sport isn't about championships and playoffs. I'd argue that the 4-team CFP got us closer to being all about championships and playoffs, as evidenced by the disappointment of teams like UGA/OSU. But a 12-team CFP will move it to the only measure of success for the bigger teams being "did I make the playoffs?", and every year you don't, it's not just a disappointment, it's a failed season. The sport will now only be about the CFP.
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You said the sport isn't about championships and playoffs. I'd argue that the 4-team CFP got us closer to being all about championships and playoffs, as evidenced by the disappointment of teams like UGA/OSU. But a 12-team CFP will move it to the only measure of success for the bigger teams being "did I make the playoffs?", and every year you don't, it's not just a disappointment, it's a failed season. The sport will now only be about the CFP.
Everybody knows I'm an Ohio State fan and I'll be the first to admit that we are spoiled. Even after three straight losses to cheating scUM, we've still beaten them six times in the last decade and two of their three wins will likely be vacated due to rampant cheating. On a larger, national level, Ohio State has finished the 10 CFP rankings as follows:
- 4th in 2014
- 7th in 2015
- 3rd in 2016
- 5th in 2017
- 6th in 2018
- 2nd in 2019
- 3rd in 2020
- 6th in 2021
- 4th in 2022
- 7th in 2023
A few teams have won more championships or made more appearances but only Bama comes even close to tOSU's consistency and they finished 13th in 2019 which is six spots lower than Ohio State's worst finish of the CFP era.
2023 IS a failed season for Ohio State. I realize that a lot of people reading this will roll their eyes and think "#HelmetSchoolProblems" and they are not wrong, but neither am I. This years' ranking of #7 in the final CFP rankings ties Ohio State's worst since the CFP began. Looking at the 10 years of the CFP, Ohio State had:
- One great season: 2014: won NC.
- Four good seasons: 2016, 2019, 2020, 2022: Made CFP.
- Five failed seasons: 2015, 2017, 2018, 2021, 2023: Missed CFP.
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Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody announced Tuesday that she is launching an investigation into the College Football Playoff selection committee over the decision to leave Florida State (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/52/florida-state-seminoles) out of the top four.
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The $$$ is going to be there pretty long term, decades.
Don't say that,asking for a POX
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Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody announced Tuesday that she is launching an investigation into the College Football Playoff selection committee over the decision to leave Florida State (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/52/florida-state-seminoles) out of the top four.
This is the kind of rather expected publicity stunt I dislike. He's going to pretend to investigate and get some headlines ending up with squat which is never announced.
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Didn't a 1-loss Florida State get into the Bowl Coalition ahead of an undefeated West Virginia in 1993? Is the Florida governor checking into that, as well?
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This is the kind of rather expected publicity stunt I dislike. He's going to pretend to investigate and get some headlines ending up with squat which is never announced.
When I heard that announced, I immediately thought "Hmmm. Nothing better to do for the State?"
Hell, we still have people living outside of their homes in trailers from a storm that happened on 9/28/22.
WTF.
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When I heard that announced, I immediately thought "Hmmm. Nothing better to do for the State?"
Hell, we still have people living outside of their homes in trailers from a storm that happened on 9/28/22.
WTF.
If memory serves, there was some part of the stunt to set a million bucks in the budget aside to pursue this legal action. I’m sure it will be crossed off at some point, but it was good for attention.
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If memory serves, there was some part of the stunt to set a million bucks in the budget aside to pursue this legal action. I’m sure it will be crossed off at some point, but it was good for attention.
RonD just announced it last week.
Not a good move, for me, but for the 'necks in the handle, sure.
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RonD just announced it last week.
Not a good move, for me, but for the 'necks in the handle, sure.
(https://i.imgur.com/XhEHLof.png)
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Didn't a 1-loss Florida State get into the Bowl Coalition ahead of an undefeated West Virginia in 1993? Is the Florida governor checking into that, as well?
jumped them as well as a notre dame team that also had one loss & had beaten them h2h iirc. that wva team did get rammycacked by somebody in their bowl which is an aside to your valid point.
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jumped them as well as a notre dame team that also had one loss & had beaten them h2h iirc. that wva team did get rammycacked by somebody in their bowl which is an aside to your valid point.
Correct on ND. They lost to 9-3 BC the week after they beat FSU.
WVU schedule was a problem.
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Didn't a 1-loss Florida State get into the Bowl Coalition ahead of an undefeated West Virginia in 1993? Is the Florida governor checking into that, as well?
Bobby Bowden and Charlie Ward were probably deserving of that slot.
What should be investigated is the collusion with the Orange Bowl officiating crew that obviously was helping the Seminoles that night.
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Bobby Bowden and Charlie Ward were probably deserving of that slot.
What should be investigated is the collusion with the Orange Bowl officiating crew that obviously was helping the Seminoles that night.
Why? They had a loss. WVU was undefeated.
Did FSU deserve to go based on the EYE TEST????
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it was quite the cluster
props to badgerfan for reminding me about the bc angle
wva was undefeated & played a meh schedule but beat a very good bc team that beat notre dame that beat fla st who were both 11-1.
& they were all better than nebraska.
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Mediots and croaches trying to get Bobby his MNC was more like it.
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it was quite the cluster
props to badgerfan for reminding me about the bc angle
wva was undefeated & played a meh schedule but beat a very good bc team that beat notre dame that beat fla st.
& they were all better than nebraska.
Mediots and croaches trying to get Dr. Tom his MNC too.
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perhaps they were using the Vegas line back in the day as suggested by someone
Huskers were 17 point dogs to the Noles
I made $100. Skers covered
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Mediots and croaches trying to get Dr. Tom his MNC too.
stoned by the officials/blind zebras
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I was there that night, the venerable steamy OB. Definitely high on the list of games where the MNC winner would likely be different had replay existed.
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I was there as well.
Brutal, especially with the hangover
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Why? They had a loss. WVU was undefeated.
Did FSU deserve to go based on the EYE TEST????
Eye test for '93 WV: 41-7 L to Florida in the Sugar Bowl.
2-loss Florida was a 6.5 favorite over the undefeated 'Neers. You know, SEC bias and all that.
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(https://i.imgur.com/TjKLGS3.jpg)
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So that map is trying to tell me LSU fans are not rooting for Alabama to win another title?
What about SEC! SEC! SEC! ?
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I'd like Michigan or Texas to win.
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So that map is trying to tell me LSU fans are not rooting for Alabama to win another title?
What about SEC! SEC! SEC! ?
My Guess is the 2012 Do over contest for all the marbles
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(https://i.imgur.com/TjKLGS3.jpg)
I don't think Oregon would be shaded Husky colors after losing 3 straight to them by 3 pts
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They all have in state rivals that will be rooting against them.
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My Guess is the 2012 Do over contest for all the marbles
Tongue in cheek. Nobody in the state of Louisiana wants to see Alabama win, or even advance past Michigan.
U-dubb is probably mostly accurate for us, for as much as we care about a winner, although I wouldn't mind Texas 'cuz that would make the wife happy and you know what they say....happy wife, happy supper that doesn't poison you.
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Tongue in cheek. Nobody in the state of Louisiana wants to see Alabama win, or even advance past Michigan.
U-dubb is probably mostly accurate for us, for as much as we care about a winner, although I wouldn't mind Texas 'cuz that would make the wife happy and you know what they say....happy wife, happy supper that doesn't poison you.
And a bed that doesn't burn.
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I'm pulling for Texas. They have pretty cheerleaders.
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The map is a joke, fellas. An internet meme. Look at who the state of Florida is rooting for in the CFP. :)
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Scott Frost is smiling
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The map is a joke, fellas. An internet meme. Look at who the state of Florida is rooting for in the CFP. :)
(https://y.yarn.co/95336ed8-fd39-4c24-b91c-f518e2d6ad50_text.gif)
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Listen, you know if FSU beats UGA and one of the one-loss CFP teams wins the whole thing, FSU is claiming a title out of it somehow.
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Listen, you know if FSU beats UGA and one of the one-loss CFP teams wins the whole thing, FSU is claiming a title out of it somehow.
Heck, the AP poll might even do the honors and vote 'em as champs, just for the fun of it.
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Heck, the AP poll might even do the honors and vote 'em as champs, just for the fun of it.
Isn't the AP contractually bound to vote for the CFP champ?
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Isn't the AP contractually bound to vote for the CFP champ?
The coaches' poll is.
The AP deliberately maintains its freedom from such restrictions in the interest of journalistic integrity. That was the basis for them removing themselves from the BCS formula back in the day, as well. They asserted there was a conflict of interest in directly influencing the things they were supposed to be merely observing and reporting.
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The coaches' poll is.
The AP deliberately maintains its freedom from such restrictions in the interest of journalistic integrity. That was the basis for them removing themselves from the BCS formula back in the day, as well. They asserted there was a conflict of interest in directly influencing the things they were supposed to be merely observing and reporting.
Ahh, good to know. I thought both the AP and the Coaches poll were bound to vote for the BCS/CFP champ.
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Apparently Herbstreit is getting angry comments on his Instagram, including saying he and his dog should go to hell, from FSU fans angry at him.
Can we stop the world? I'd like to get off.
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Back in 2018, 4 of the AP voters voted for undefeated Central Florida, instead of Alabama, as the #1 team.
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Apparently Herbstreit is getting angry comments on his Instagram, including saying he and his dog should go to hell, from FSU fans angry at him.
Can we stop the world? I'd like to get off.
Honestly, nothing makes me happier than an episode of Everyone Hates Herbie
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I'm thinking up creative ways to explode the Orange Bowl. IM me if you want in.
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I don't understand this 14 point spread in the Orange Bowl, at all. Take the points and FSU.
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AP and journalistic integrity. LMAO.
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The AP is basically a bunch of independent writers/reporters who do stories hoping they get picked up by some major media outlets and get paid.
The Orange Bowl, to me, is a huge unknowable. I've seen "reports" that Carson Beck and Bowers won't play, and the #2 QB portaled to Kentucky.
Well, I've seen reports that FSU won't play as a team also, so "reports" at times quite possibly maybe COULD be faulty, dunno.
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The AP is basically a bunch of independent writers/reporters who do stories hoping they get picked up by some major media outlets and get paid.
The Orange Bowl, to me, is a huge unknowable. I've seen "reports" that Carson Beck and Bowers won't play, and the #2 QB portaled to Kentucky.
Well, I've seen reports that FSU won't play as a team also, so "reports" at times quite possibly maybe COULD be faulty, dunno.
Not really. You can find a list of all the pollsters here, and who they work for.
Football Pollsters at College Poll Tracker (https://collegepolltracker.com/football/pollsters/2023)
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Oh, I was speaking about the Associated Press, not their poll.
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The AP is basically a bunch of independent writers/reporters who do stories hoping they get picked up by some major media outlets and get paid.
The Orange Bowl, to me, is a huge unknowable. I've seen "reports" that Carson Beck and Bowers won't play, and the #2 QB portaled to Kentucky.
Well, I've seen reports that FSU won't play as a team also, so "reports" at times quite possibly maybe COULD be faulty, dunno.
This is not correct.
The AP is a large network of reporters and editors called a “wire service.” The majority of their work is quaker stuff that is meant to be available fast. Their goal is to produce content that leans toward being flat but can get in fast and be cut to fit what newspapers needs. They have offices in every state and also employ some freelancers.
The AP Poll is just a poll of writers from across the country with some geographical consideration. The AP runs it, and I suppose if you worked for an outlet that didn’t use the AP you might not be able to get a vote, but every outlet uses the AP is so that doesn’t matter.
Historically the geographical diversity mattered somewhat. What with the lack of TV broadcasts. At this point it’s very antiquated because of the changing role of those writers and their workloads.
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Almost every newspaper in this country is a member of the AP.
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I might have to stay an extra day to attend this one.........
(https://i.imgur.com/VjxIgGv.png)
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That's a nice stadium, should be a fun game. Weather in Dallas at the time of year is iffy, but you've done it before, so you know that.
One of the coldest, most miserable days of my life, was spent at the Cotton Bowl on January 1, 1991. The 46-3 loss didn't help, either.
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only 30 minutes from the brother's house
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We'll I'll be damned. Apparently, you can win an internet argument. I've changed my opinion. A few months ago I was adamantly for expanding the playoff to 12 teams and opposed to keeping the bowls as they were 30+ years ago. Now after seeing all the logic and arguments now I think the old way was better.
Carry on gentlemen.
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We'll I'll be damned. Apparently, you can win an internet argument. I've changed my opinion. A few months ago I was adamantly for expanding the playoff to 12 teams and opposed to keeping the bowls as they were 30+ years ago. Now after seeing all the logic and arguments now I think the old way was better.
Carry on gentlemen.
Amen brutha.
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I the idea of having some way of determining a champion
I just think involving 12 teams is too many
8 would be better
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or 2
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I the idea of having some way of determining a champion
I just think involving 12 teams is too many
8 would be better
I used to think the same way, but this line of thinking is only making the sport worse as I have come to realize. Your team will be more on the IN as one of the have's. As the haves consolidate more power the have-not's will be reduced to nothing and thus destroying the sport we all know and love.
Go back to the old bowl system. Chaos is king here.
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I used to think the same way, but this line of thinking is only making the sport worse as I have come to realize. Your team will be more on the IN as one of the have's. As the haves consolidate more power the have-not's will be reduced to nothing and thus destroying the sport we all know and love.
Go back to the old bowl system. Chaos is king here.
I loved it when the Rose, Sugar, Orange, Cotton and Fiesta all meant something.
The ship has sailed, and the game we love is almost over.
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the way of determining a champion has done very little harm when compared to the affect of the NIL system and the transfer portal
When compensating the players started that gave the haves a huge boost
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the way of determining a champion has done very little harm when compared to the affect of the NIL system and the transfer portal
When compensating the players started that gave the haves a huge boost
Don't like NIL? Fine. Drop the salary of all the coaches and AD's and everybody else working for the AD to a more reasonable level. Say, mmmm...$300K per year for the head coach, and maybe a bit less or more for the AD since they are in fact in charge of the whole dept not just one aspect.
For example, what is the pay for a VP at a public company who is in charge of a dept that does maybe billions of dollars worth of business? Real money including stock options.
Figure a college coach is in charge of a "department" that has about 120 employees in it including players, coaches, assistants, media, etc. Maybe 150ish, but definitely under 200 people. And they have to deal with "investors", which in this case would be boosters. What would a dept head (superintendent, VP, whatever you want to call them) make?
The top athletic programs revenue about $200 MM per year. Look at a business with that kind of revenue and expenses, and see what they pay their top execs. I'm guessing the top man would maybe get $1-2 MM (if not the founder) and the VP's would get $300-500K each.
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And remember, it really wasn't all that long ago when most college coaches, even at big programs, made less than $1 MM. I can remember when UT made mack brown a member of the $1 MM club around 1999 or so. It was a big deal then. A&M supposedly lured Dennis Franchione (*Shudder!*) to A&M for $1.7 MM, up from $1.4 MM at Bama about 20 years ago. And now all those guys in comparable jobs make 10x that amount, no big deal.
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the way of determining a champion has done very little harm when compared to the affect of the NIL system and the transfer portal
When compensating the players started that gave the haves a huge boost
Arguably, you are correct, but the method of determining a champion has damaged the sport noticeably for a while now. Used to be that fans of many teams had something to be excited about in the post-season, as finishing ranked, top 10, top 5, was something fans celebrated. The more definitive the NC claimed to be, the more the sport focused on it to the exclusion of everything else, and the more the public followed suit. And caring less about being anything other than NCs became more normal. The BCS started it, the playoffs exacerbated it, expanding the playoffs is going to put the nail in the coffin for the post-season outside of the playoffs.
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Arguably, you are correct, but the method of determining a champion has damaged the sport noticeably for a while now. Used to be that fans of many teams had something to be excited about in the post-season, as finishing ranked, top 10, top 5, was something fans celebrated. The more definitive the NC claimed to be, the more the sport focused on it to the exclusion of everything else, and the more the public followed suit. And caring less about being anything other than NCs became more normal. The BCS started it, the playoffs exacerbated it, expanding the playoffs is going to put the nail in the coffin for the post-season outside of the playoffs.
Yep. And to add on to what you (CFP) and 320 (NIL) are both saying, then you add in the transfer portal and opt-outs. Everyone's already more concerned about where they're going to be next year than what's going on in the bowl game.
The team that suits up for the bowl game may not resemble the team you watched play for 12 weeks because of a bunch of transfer-outs/opt-outs, and may ALSO not resemble the team that you're going to watch play for 12 weeks next fall because of how many new faces will transfer in.
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I don't think NIL even has as much of an impact on my enjoyment as the transfer portal does. The combined effect of the two hurts, but I think NIL without the portal would be fine
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The portal would be fine if sitting a year was involved. Kids wouldn't be transferring with an NIL motivation because nobody is paying NIL for kid to not play.
But now it looks like even the one-time portal thing is going away with that Judge in Ohio.
Unlimited portal transfers + NIL = death to CFB.
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Unlimited portal transfers + NIL = death to CFB. basically the NFL
And NFL = basically rat's ass
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The portal would be fine if sitting a year was involved.
And either dropping or paying for the supposed Schollie
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NIL sucks because the rich get richer
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True but what about Buffet?
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I never liked going to buffets. Too many mouth breathers and such.
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I never liked going to buffets. Too many mouth breathers and such.
I think the bigger problem is that it's bad, cheap, food. Which they entice you by giving you as much of it as you want.
That said, there was a place in ~Carol Stream or so growing up called the Boston Sea Party. It was actually a pretty nice (white tablecloth) seafood restaurant, but they also offered a buffet. When my parents wanted to take the kids out to a fancier dinner, I would opt for the buffet and eat my weight in shrimp and crab legs. But it didn't come cheap. My parents knew I'd get their money's worth though.
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I remember that place.
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True but what about Buffet?
Warren needs to pony up for an OLine
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Selling (the) Sunset: How Rose Bowl acquiescing to BCS carved path to expanded College Football Playoff (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/selling-the-sunset-how-rose-bowl-acquiescing-to-bcs-carved-path-to-expanded-college-football-playoff/)
The state of college football has been a long time coming. At least 30 years worth. Dennis Dodd reports.
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IOW: they blew it all up for money...
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Arguably, you are correct, but the method of determining a champion has damaged the sport noticeably for a while now. Used to be that fans of many teams had something to be excited about in the post-season, as finishing ranked, top 10, top 5, was something fans celebrated. The more definitive the NC claimed to be, the more the sport focused on it to the exclusion of everything else, and the more the public followed suit. And caring less about being anything other than NCs became more normal. The BCS started it, the playoffs exacerbated it, expanding the playoffs is going to put the nail in the coffin for the post-season outside of the playoffs.
I think those things can still be celebrated. If you (or anyone else) isn’t celebrating those things then I think that falls on you first and foremost. You are letting external forces affect how you view and feel about your favorite team.
WVU has a shot at 9 wins and an outside shot at a top 25 finish. I’m into it to see if they can hit those marks. I get that it isn’t on the radar nationally and no one outside of WVU fans care, but whatever, I care.
I’ve had this discussion before but I haven’t necessarily bought this argument that the playoffs have stripped the bowls of importance. I was always keenly aware of what bowl(s) had an impact on the MNC race. But that didn’t mean I couldn’t enjoy the other bowls not involved.
I think the bowls feel less important because of the sheer number of them and players skipping them or transferring before they are played. And I don’t think the player movement is all that affected by the playoff format.
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You are letting external forces affect how you view and feel about your favorite team.
Have you met a human being? This is what the masses do.
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I think those things can still be celebrated. If you (or anyone else) isn’t celebrating those things then I think that falls on you first and foremost. You are letting external forces affect how you view and feel about your favorite team.
I think you're right to an extent, but I also think it's silly to dismiss the broader stream of consciousness within the sport and all the external messages that constantly bombard a person that it's all about the playoffs and NCs, and say that it doesn't have an effect on a person. I'm guessing the psychological and sociological research into such things backs that up.
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The actual excitement surrounding college football rises up from the student body
If you have not lost the following of the students football will remain viable no matter what sports folks talk about
The time to worry is when the following of the student body is lost
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The actual excitement surrounding college football rises up from the student body
If you have not lost the following of the students football will remain viable no matter what sports folks talk about
The time to worry is when the following of the student body is lost
I mean look at the student sections in bad weather games, creampuff games, noon games, etc...
It looks good when you have an 8:00 PM ranked matchup, and maybe Texas is fine, but looking around the Big Ten, even the students are event fans. Look at the student sections for even UM, OSU and PSU games. Granted those are the noon BTN games, so nobody notices.
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The actual excitement surrounding college football rises up from the student body
If you have not lost the following of the students football will remain viable no matter what sports folks talk about
The time to worry is when the following of the student body is lost
Attendance in general, and specifically student attendance, has been declining for two decades.
They schools HAVE lost the following of the students. Current students don't care about sports nearly as much as previous generations, and it's showing up in the attendance numbers.
And younger fans are not being made, because families have been completely priced out of the market. I'm not exactly poor but even I've taken my kids to only one Texas game in the past 5 years. I look at the expense, and decide my entertainment dollars can go a lot further if spent on other things.
By contrast, my parents took me to several UT games every year, including the TX-OU game several times. I was born and raised a fan. That is no longer happening.
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I will say that while the on-field product at the New Brickhouse was disappointing, the students have shown up in force for every game over the last two years. It's impressive.
It helps that the Thursday night opener is a mandatory attendance event for all incoming freshmen.
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Students in Madison show up by halftime. Gotta be in that jump around crowd.
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Attendance in general, and specifically student attendance, has been declining for two decades.
They schools HAVE lost the following of the students. Current students don't care about sports nearly as much as previous generations, and it's showing up in the attendance numbers.
And younger fans are not being made, because families have been completely priced out of the market. I'm not exactly poor but even I've taken my kids to only one Texas game in the past 5 years. I look at the expense, and decide my entertainment dollars can go a lot further if spent on other things.
By contrast, my parents took me to several UT games every year, including the TX-OU game several times. I was born and raised a fan. That is no longer happening.
Oh, so it's not just us, then? (Tongue-in-cheek. I pretty well know it's not just us. Just that we've been bitching for the last 15 years about the average LSU fan being priced out of game day.)
Dad used to take me to the Ole Miss games, and once he took me to Ole Miss for the LSU game. Even though we lived in BR at the time, I don't think it would be the same today. It's more expensive as you point out, and at LSU at least, while traffic was never exactly good for game days, these days it flat sucks with a capital WTF??? I can't picture him putting up with that when he was usually pretty happy to listen on the radio.
I was seeing a doctor in Beaumont last week and noticed his LSU edition Nike shoes and asked about them. He said he was from BR and went to U-High on campus and did his undergrad at LSU. Said he and several family members have been season ticket holders for 37 years. I asked him did he make it to many games and his face fell and he said no, it's kind of far and the traffic is such a hassle, and it's so easy to watch on his big screen from his comfy couch, and he hadn't been to a game in quite a few years. I haven't thought through the economics enough to know if they have a point, but I've seen LSU fans on the interwebz complaining for a while now about wealthier ticket buyers who get season tickets they don't even use and somehow this drives the price on everything else up.
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Attendance in general, and specifically student attendance, has been declining for two decades.
They schools HAVE lost the following of the students. Current students don't care about sports nearly as much as previous generations, and it's showing up in the attendance numbers.
And younger fans are not being made, because families have been completely priced out of the market. I'm not exactly poor but even I've taken my kids to only one Texas game in the past 5 years. I look at the expense, and decide my entertainment dollars can go a lot further if spent on other things.
By contrast, my parents took me to several UT games every year, including the TX-OU game several times. I was born and raised a fan. That is no longer happening.
It's not just pricing out, it's increased population mobility generation over generation. I grew up going to Michigan games, like my father did, because we lived in Ann Arbor. I've been to 4 MSU games with my wife, I think the last being in 2011? My last MSU game of any sport was a basketball game in 2016 at UM, simply because we were inn Ann Arbor for my brother's 30th, the weekend of the game.
But it's also why my son is an Ohio State fan. He has no actual tie to any team, and red has always been his favorite color. He settled on them when he was 5, and it's 5 years and running now. I can't really argue against him. MSU, because I went there? He's never been to East Lansing. Pitt, because I went there for law school and we live here? I don't root for them, so why should he. He would generally just prefer to watch the "best" game in any sport. OSU is the team he roots for, but if it's between OSU-Minnesota or Georgia-Alabama, he'll watch the later.
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How about tOSU vs Wisconsin and Bama vs M.Tenn ST.? ;D
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Yep, I rarely go to any A&M games anymore. I used to try to make one game per year, but the wife ( A&M alum like me) never cared for sports and really doesn’t have much interest in all things A&M. So I would go with my buddy. Seems like my ticket would be in the upper $100 range. Like $180 for ok seats.
When my kids got older I would take them to a game or two but they never enjoyed it much. The crowds and the traffic and noise was too much. Plus, they don’t really care for football in general. And it would cost $300-400 for tix for 4 people plus 2-3 hrs to travel there and 2-3 hours to travel back.
As I’ve gotten older I realize my Aggie fandom will die with me. My oldest son chose to go to Sam Houston ( much smaller school) and frankly I’m glad. The youngest I am not sure what his college plans are but he shows no interest in attending A&M.
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I told both my children they were free to go to any college they wanted but I was not paying more then what UT would have cost
My daughter picked UT cause she being a free spirit loved Austin
My son chose Sam Houston which was a lot less money and fine with me
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We gave up our season tickets a while ago - maybe 2013 or 2014. We were on the 45, under the protection of the upper deck. Great location.
Between the "donation", costs of seats, cost of parking, two hotel nights and food became prohibitive and no longer made sense to me. Not to mention the 2 hour drive each way. Blech.
Being packed in like sardines and uncomfortable seats also became a pain the ass (literally).
Having a 72" and two 55" Samsungs in the comfort of my own home is just fine with me. Not to mention it would be a plane ride these days. No thanks.
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/selling-the-sunset-how-rose-bowl-acquiescing-to-bcs-carved-path-to-expanded-college-football-playoff/
Texas later this month becomes the 14th team to participate in the CFP across its 10 years of its existence. Only 16 teams played in the BCS Championship Game over its 16 years. A total of 23 teams have occupied 72 combined BCS/CFP slots.
When I read this I realized how rigged the system really is. The 12 team playoff will change nothing. I see that now.
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We gave up our season tickets a while ago - maybe 2013 or 2014. We were on the 45, under the protection of the upper deck. Great location.
Between the "donation", costs of seats, cost of parking, two hotel nights and food became prohibitive and no longer made sense to me. Not to mention the 2 hour drive each way. Blech.
Being packed in like sardines and uncomfortable seats also became a pain the ass (literally).
Having a 72" and two 55" Samsungs in the comfort of my own home is just fine with me. Not to mention it would be a plane ride these days. No thanks.
Im right with you
Just put in my new 75 inch 4K Samsung
I aint going anywhere
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/selling-the-sunset-how-rose-bowl-acquiescing-to-bcs-carved-path-to-expanded-college-football-playoff/
Texas later this month becomes the 14th team to participate in the CFP across its 10 years of its existence. Only 16 teams played in the BCS Championship Game over its 16 years. A total of 23 teams have occupied 72 combined BCS/CFP slots.
When I read this I realized how rigged the system really is. The 12 team playoff will change nothing. I see that now.
pretty hard to "RiG" a 12 team playoff
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pretty hard to "RiG" a 12 team playoff
It's rigged because only ~12-15 teams have a chance of winning it all. The same 12-15 teams that do so now. The other ~100+ are simply just cannon fodder for the top 12-15. Teams 7-12 have zero chance. I see that now.
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It's rigged because only ~12-15 teams have a chance of winning it all. The same 12-15 teams that do so now. The other ~100+ are simply just cannon fodder for the top 12-15. Teams 7-12 have zero chance. I see that now.
Not sure why you think this
are the aggies cannon fodder
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It probably helps my school, who was on the verge in 2017 and 2019.
But then there is this:
(https://i.imgur.com/PxdUM0k.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/D4F9ObN.png)
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Not sure why you think this
are the aggies cannon fodder
It seems that way more and more. I know the 'horns have had some pretty up and down times in the last ~25 years, but they did win it all in '05, played for it in '09, and now they have another chance to play for it all again. We've gotten close to winning the conference in '10, '12, and the CFP in 2020, but just missed it by "that" much. The difference between being a top ~12-15 program and #20-25 is quite large, almost insurmountable. And with the old bowl system going away now there is really nothing left to play for.
Even though I think TCU is a fraud through and through them making the final 2 last year made me think that things were changing for the better, but now I realize that it was just a mirage. The only teams that can win the CFP are really the teams that have already been there/done that.
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The big, fat lie.
(https://i.imgur.com/eMAKChu.jpg)
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And don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that A&M is some underfunded program and we haven’t had our chances. We really only have ourselves to blame. But when you look at how it’s rigged for the 100 or so teams under us ( honestly D1 should stop at 30-50) you start to understand.
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I dunno - with the transfer portal and NIL, we are already seeing a flattening of the curve at the top. I think a 12 team playoff will only increase parity.
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And don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that A&M is some underfunded program and we haven’t had our chances. We really only have ourselves to blame. But when you look at how it’s rigged for the 100 or so teams under us ( honestly D1 should stop at 30-50) you start to understand.
you are under the impression that the only thing that fans care about is an NC and thats just not the case
There is no school with more money to throw around then Texas A&M
and because you guys have failed to win a NC you say its a rigged system
You might start with having a smaller goal like playing for a conference championship or is that rigged also
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It's rigged because only ~12-15 teams have a chance of winning it all. The same 12-15 teams that do so now. The other ~100+ are simply just cannon fodder for the top 12-15. Teams 7-12 have zero chance. I see that now.
it's always been the same 12-ish teams that could win it all. except for the literal birth or the sport, its the same teams winning the title regardless of the format for deciding the champ. can count on 1 hand the number of title winning teams outside of bama, nd, usc, ou, texas, osu, mich, psu, lsu, au, fsu, miami, uf, neb, maybe 1-2 more. hell, the whole reason there's even a cfp is to maybe give more teams a chance.
but it's the same with cbb too. unc, duke, zona, kentucky, virginia, kansas, indiana, msu, ucla maybe 1-2 more claim vast majority of titles since early on.
just the nature of sports, especially when there are so many participants.
having said that, i liked the old format as well. maybe better, i don't know. nostalgia plays tricks sometimes.
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you are under the impression that the only thing that fans care about is an NC and thats just not the case
There is no school with more money to throw around then Texas A&M
and because you guys have failed to win a NC you say its a rigged system
You might start with having a smaller goal like playing for a conference championship or is that rigged
Nah, I’m not even talking about a NC. Besides, the SEC winner, and often the 2nd best team play for a NC anyways.
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And don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that A&M is some underfunded program and we haven’t had our chances. We really only have ourselves to blame. But when you look at how it’s rigged for the 100 or so teams under us ( honestly D1 should stop at 30-50) you start to understand.
Not sure he is wrong here,going back to and beginning in 1980,forward. BYU,Hurricanes,Buffs,GTECH and maybe Auburn are the only ones sticking out as far as National Champions.The rest were/are perennials even Georgia(NC in'80) is a recent perennial contender.Could we see those other 5 get in again,sure,but win?They wouldn't be favorites of the sports books,same with the Huskers - great fan base, facilities,stadium and tradition but can they pull in the funds being somewhat average the last 2 decades and a regional local following.Maybe the next Pop Warner could land there and make it happen that could be a stretch though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯