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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Hawkinole on November 26, 2023, 02:20:07 AM
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Iowa will be wearing the home jerseys for this game.
Michigan has the best scoring defense in the nation. Iowa has the 4th best scoring defense in the nation. Iowa is 2nd best in scoring defense in Big Ten play.
Arguably, Iowa's scoring defense is better than Michigan, since Michigan has an offense, and Iowa has the worst offense in the world, and beyond.
Injuries of players who will not play for Iowa:
Cooper Dejean - perhaps the best CB and special teams player in the country.
Cade McNamara QB.
Luke Lachey, best tight end in the country.
Erick All - very good tight end.
Diante Vines, starting WR
Logan Jones, starting Center
Beau Stephens, OL
Four of Iowa's best players are out for the season. Nevertheless, Iowa found a way to defeat Nebraska --- on the last play. There is no way Iowa wins the Big Ten Championship Game.
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Michigan’s best players on offenses and defense left The Game due to injuries. OG Zinter with a broken fibula and tibia is out for the remainder of the season and CB Johnson with a lower leg injury of some kind but might be back in time.
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Michigan... I got Iowa's playbook for ya. Since I know Stalions is gone...
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We have seen this movie before. We know how it's going to end.
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This probably looks like the most lopsided major conference CG in history, at least before they play the game. I'm not saying the score will indicate that.
Michigan is a 22 point favorite with no O/U on DK's site. I'd guess on O/U of around 40(?), meaning a predicted score somewhere around 31-9.
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This game should be a replay of every game Iowa has played against Michigan since 2021.
Low scoring first half where Michigan moves the ball but does not get a lot of points. Meanwhile Iowa does not move the ball at all but gets a break somehow and gets a FG. 10-3 Mich at the half.
Then in the 2nd half the Iowa defense starts to get tired and Michigan starts to pull away. Meanwhile the Iowa offense does nothing.
Final score Mich 31, Iowa 3. Michigan covers the 21.5 pt spread but finishes under on the over/under of 34.5
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This probably looks like the most lopsided major conference CG in history, at least before they play the game. I'm not saying the score will indicate that.
Michigan is a 22 point favorite with no O/U on DK's site. I'd guess on O/U of around 40(?), meaning a predicted score somewhere around 31-9.
I saw a similar point spread, 21.5. And an over/under of 34.5.
This suggests a score something like 28-6.
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if Brian's offense can score a TD in this game rehire him
strange to fire a OC when they go 10-2
my guess is that this ends in a something to 0 kind of game
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Like everyone who respects integrity, I'll be rooting for Iowa.
Not because I'm for Iowa, nor even because I'm against Michigan but because the kids at Oregon or Texas or whoever ends up #5 deserve a chance and I'd hate to see their chance stolen by dirty cheating scUM who will have to vacate their CFP appearance anyway.
To be fair, the kids at Michigan deserve a fair shot too but their own coaches deprived them of that.
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Michigan... I got Iowa's playbook for ya. Since I know Stalions is gone...
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They have 2 passing plays?
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I don't think so
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They have 2 passing plays?
yes but one is an intentional incomplete pass to set up the other one
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They have 2 passing plays?
I wondered that too.
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Like everyone who respects integrity, I'll be rooting for Iowa.
Not because I'm for Iowa, nor even because I'm against Michigan but because the kids at Oregon or Texas or whoever ends up #5 deserve a chance and I'd hate to see their chance stolen by dirty cheating scUM who will have to vacate their CFP appearance anyway.
To be fair, the kids at Michigan deserve a fair shot too but their own coaches deprived them of that.
Yesterdays win makes takes like this even better.
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Michigan 26, Iowa 10
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This game should be a replay of every game Iowa has played against Michigan since 2021.
Low scoring first half where Michigan moves the ball but does not get a lot of points. Meanwhile Iowa does not move the ball at all but gets a break somehow and gets a FG. 10-3 Mich at the half.
Then in the 2nd half the Iowa defense starts to get tired and Michigan starts to pull away. Meanwhile the Iowa offense does nothing.
Final score Mich 31, Iowa 3. Michigan covers the 21.5 pt spread but finishes under on the over/under of 34.5
Something similar to this. I think Iowa holds Michigan to 24, and Iowa scores somehow, someway between 3 and 7.
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I think Iowa should sneak LSU's offense into gold and black and play ...
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Yesterdays win makes takes like this even better.
If something I said is erroneous, do tell.
This isn't about Ohio State, they aren't getting in anyway.
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So, imagine we have Upset Saturday in the CGs.
Winners are Iowa, Alabama, OkSU, Oregon, and LaVille. That would upset the cart of apples.
The CFP could be Oregon, Michigan? , UGA? Ohio State? FSU?
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So, imagine we have Upset Saturday in the CGs.
Winners are Iowa, Alabama, OkSU, Oregon, and LaVille. That would upset the cart of apples.
The CFP could be Oregon, Michigan? , UGA? Ohio State? FSU?
Alabama and Oregon would be locks. Then probably Georgia and Michigan
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Like everyone who respects integrity, I'll be rooting for Iowa.
Anyone rooting for Michigan doesn’t respect integrity? Gimme a break. Makes another year beating OsU even better. Talking about integrity and the same fans that worshipped Tressel.
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Alabama and Oregon would be locks. Then probably Georgia and Michigan
yup
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So, imagine we have Upset Saturday in the CGs.
Winners are Iowa, Alabama, OkSU, Oregon, and LaVille. That would upset the cart of apples.
The CFP could be Oregon, Michigan? , UGA? Ohio State? FSU?
I would guess that Oregon will be favored but I understand what you are getting at so in that case, probably this:
Alabama and Oregon would be locks. Then probably Georgia and Michigan
Based on past CFP rankings they have generally been:
- Undefeated P5CG winners, n/a in this case
- 1-loss P5CG winners, Oregon and Bama
- 1-loss P5CG losers, UGA, scUM, Washington, FSU
- Other 1-loss P5's, Ohio State
- 2-loss P5CG winners, L'Ville, Iowa
Georgia and Michigan would be the most likely but in this case the committee might take Michigan's scandal and the fact that Washington's loss would have been to a much better team into account and slip Washington in.
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So, imagine we have Upset Saturday in the CGs.
Winners are Iowa, Alabama, OkSU, Oregon, and LaVille. That would upset the cart of apples.
The CFP could be Oregon, Michigan? , UGA? Ohio State? FSU?
Nope, not going through this thought exercise with you, thanks anyway!
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Anyone rooting for Michigan doesn’t respect integrity? Gimme a break. Makes another year beating OsU even better. Talking about integrity and the same fans that worshipped Tressel.
Tressel was rightly fired.
The University of Michigan continues to employ a BB coach who literally took a swing at an opposing coach and a FB coach under whom the biggest cheating scandal in modern CFB history operated.
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They have 2 passing plays?
Yes. They run one each, once a game.
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Tressel was rightly fired.
The University of Michigan continues to employ a BB coach who literally took a swing at an opposing coach and a FB coach under whom the biggest cheating scandal in modern CFB history operated.
Keeping diffing for excuses why your team couldn’t win on the field. Your main excuse expired yesterday.
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yes, excuses expire
yes, Michigan will never live down the cheating
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Keeping diffing for excuses why your team couldn’t win on the field. Your main excuse expired yesterday.
No excuses for this loss, Michigan was better yesterday.
Day is now 1-1 against Michigan with a forefit by Michigan on fake COVID in 2020 and two Michigan wins that will be vacated.
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Day is now 1-1 against Michigan with a forefit by Michigan on fake COVID in 2020 and two Michigan wins that will be vacated.
And then there’s those of us that live in reality and have no idea what’s going to happen. The more Michigan wins from here, the more it diminishes the argument it had great impact on outcomes.
just like the diminished Day’s value yesterday.
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Bullcrap that was last year against the best QB in college.Like last year the walvies sailed thru the schedule but nothing on TCU - that proves they used their signalers.Year before they couldnt either didn't know who they were playing so couldn't send their lackey's out - see how that worx.They had a better team this year look a the NFL draft the previous 2 yrs
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Interesting how the best Michigan team of the last three years played a closer game against the worst Ohio State team of the last three years than the previous two games. Missing Stalions?
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Anyone rooting for Michigan doesn’t respect integrity? Gimme a break. Makes another year beating OsU even better. Talking about integrity and the same fans that worshipped Tressel.
bullshit needed a crappy QB to hand them 7 in the redzone in a game they won by 6,inferior opponent took them to the wire .Integrity - who on Michigan owned the Brawls and Tunnel fights and hiding the fact a team captain felony gun charge was hidden?
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bullshit needed a crappy QB to hand them 7 in the redzone in a game they won by 6,inferior opponent took them to the wire .Integrity - who on Michigan owned the Brawls and Tunnel fights and hiding the fact a team captain felony gun charge was hidden?
Why do you keep bringing up the tunnel fight? Did I miss something where it was not multiple MSU players that were charged and video shows like 7 on 1 and one of them swinging a helmet?
am I missing part of the story? Quite possible so fill me in.
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Interesting how the best Michigan team of the last three years played a closer game against the worst Ohio State team of the last three years than the previous two games. Missing Stalions?
You honestly don’t think the Ohio state defense was much better this year? Not just the game but overall? Can’t disagree more.
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You honestly don’t think the Ohio state defense was much better this year? Not just the game but overall? Can’t disagree more.
Ohio State was favored the last two years and the underdog this year.
The guys in Vegas are pretty smart. Upsets do happen, of course like when Michigan lost to a joke of a TCU team but then apparently Michigan didn't have TCU's signals.
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Ohio State was favored the last two years and the underdog this year.
The guys in Vegas are pretty smart. Upsets do happen, of course like when Michigan lost to a joke of a TCU team but then apparently Michigan didn't have TCU's signals.
Weird. Ohio state and Rutgers gave Purdue all Michigan’s signals last year and it didn’t seem to matter.
Vegas is right every single week and every game when it’s -3.5. They know better than everyone and are undefeated every week with their favorites 🙄
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Weird. Ohio state and Rutgers gave Purdue all Michigan’s signals last year and it didn’t seem to matter.
Vegas is right every single week and every game when it’s -3.5. They know better than everyone and are undefeated every week with their favorites 🙄
#1) There is an allegation that RU and tOSU gave some of their info to PU but there is no indication that the info was obtained by impermissible sources like what Michigan did.
#2) Are you really comparing M/PU to tOSU/M?
#3) Upsets do happen, I even said that. What an interesting group of coincidences though.
#4) The institution you CHOOSE to support is scum. They used a nearly NBA level payroll to buy an F4, they are now responsible for the worst cheating scandal in the modern history of CFB and there is apparently no accountability as up to the President and at least one Regent support the cheating.
You may not believe this but up until the revelation of the cheating I had a grudging respect for Harbaugh. He comes from Woody's coaching tree (via Bo obviously) and runs an old tOSU style based on defense and rushing. I lost a lot of respect for him when he faked a COVID outbreak to duck a loss in 2020 because it was such a classless p*$$y move but still liked the defense/rushing style.
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https://twitter.com/MSUGruff/status/1728845234925371603
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#1) There is an allegation that RU and tOSU gave some of their info to PU but there is no indication that the info was obtained by impermissible sources like what Michigan did.
#2) Are you really comparing M/PU to tOSU/M?
#3) Upsets do happen, I even said that. What an interesting group of coincidences though.
#4) The institution you CHOOSE to support is scum. They used a nearly NBA level payroll to buy an F4, they are now responsible for the worst cheating scandal in the modern history of CFB and there is apparently no accountability as up to the President and at least one Regent support the cheating.
You may not believe this but up until the revelation of the cheating I had a grudging respect for Harbaugh. He comes from Woody's coaching tree (via Bo obviously) and runs an old tOSU style based on defense and rushing. I lost a lot of respect for him when he faked a COVID outbreak to duck a loss in 2020 because it was such a classless p*$$y move but still liked the defense/rushing style.
lol give it a rest dude. Day just lost to a UM team coached by an intern. Nobody's buying this nonsense. The signal stealing story sounded great and all until PSU and OSU both lost to UM. You're like the only person still clinging to this narrative at this point. Just watch the games and enjoy. Why invest your life into something you have no control over. Move on, life will get better I promise.
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lol give it a rest dude. Day just lost to a UM team coached by an intern. Nobody's buying this nonsense. The signal stealing story sounded great and all until PSU and OSU both lost to UM. You're like the only person still clinging to this narrative at this point. Just watch the games and enjoy. Why invest your life into something you have no control over. Move on, life will get better I promise.
Is there anyone associated with Michigan willing to admit that they cheated and that this industrial-scale cheating was a serious assault on the integrity of the sport?
Is accountability a thing in Michigan?
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Is there anyone associated with Michigan willing to admit that they cheated and that this industrial-scale cheating was a serious assault on the integrity of the sport?
Is accountability a thing in Michigan?
You didn’t stop cheering for Tressel, so don’t lecture anyone else about integrity and standards. Keep painting Michigan and their fans as terrible and immoral people with your paint brush of hypocrisy.
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You didn’t stop cheering for Tressel, so don’t lecture anyone else about integrity and standards. Keep painting Michigan and their fans as terrible and immoral people with your paint brush of hypocrisy.
Tressel was fired what more could have been done?
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#1) There is an allegation that RU and tOSU gave some of their info to PU but there is no indication that the info was obtained by impermissible sources like what Michigan did.
#2) Are you really comparing M/PU to tOSU/M?
#3) Upsets do happen, I even said that. What an interesting group of coincidences though.
#4) The institution you CHOOSE to support is scum. They used a nearly NBA level payroll to buy an F4, they are now responsible for the worst cheating scandal in the modern history of CFB and there is apparently no accountability as up to the President and at least one Regent support the cheating.
You may not believe this but up until the revelation of the cheating I had a grudging respect for Harbaugh. He comes from Woody's coaching tree (via Bo obviously) and runs an old tOSU style based on defense and rushing. I lost a lot of respect for him when he faked a COVID outbreak to duck a loss in 2020 because it was such a classless p*$$y move but still liked the defense/rushing style.
This is priceless. And as SuperMario said; makes yesterday so much sweeter. It is clearly impacting your life to a great degree. Digging up every instance, even situations that Michigan had no blame in; like getting beaten over their head in a tunnel.
Lest we forget Urbz covering for a wife beater on his staff that lived under his own roof. Urbz magically accidentally wiped his phone to delete the evidence too. Better yet, your fan base still gives that same wife beater a microphone and support. Just yesterday your AD was cussing and belittling a security staffer on the sideline politely asking him to stay behind the yellow line on the sideline. When he didnt get the answered he wanted he trashed the guy and threatened to call “B1G leadership.” And your CB coach, a 50 year old grown adult, spent last night trashing a Michigan athlete on Instagram, while complaining about officiating. Pure Class
Speaking of COVID, didn’t the Buckeyes duck a game against Illinois, if that’s the logic you are using. And after that, the conference conveniently changed the rules on your behalf.
Maybe a little less whining is in order and a few less pre-game dance videos and tik-toks. The tough as nails Ohio State of old is lacking.
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I don't care either way, but UM's crime was getting caught.
Rubbin's racing. If you're reading this, your school does it, too.
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I don't care either way, but UM's crime was getting caught.
Rubbin's racing. If you're reading this, your school does it, too.
Yeah I can't count the number of times our staffers are in disguise recording one of our opponents
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I guess only 0.1% of drivers speed. They're the ones that get caught. Everyone else is sticking to that speed limit.
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I guess only 0.1% of drivers speed. They're the ones that get caught. Everyone else is sticking to that speed limit.
That's what I told the cops. Only .1% of people get caught naked outside of the White House. Everyone else has clothes on.
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there's obviously a difference between 5 over in a 70pmh zone and 140 in a 25mph school zone
one will get you a warning, the other will get you arrested and an appointment with the judge
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Interesting how the best Michigan team of the last three years played a closer game against the worst Ohio State team of the last three years than the previous two games. Missing Stalions?
“Worst Ohio State team”
You would lend your arguments some credence if you didn’t throw stuff on a wall and hope it sticks.
the JR & SR classes that took the field for the Buckeyes were two of the most heralded classes EVER assembled in recruiting services histories. Henderson, JT, Egbuka, Stover, Sawyer, Harrison, Burke were all 5* top 5 recruits at their positions. Better than Georgia, Clemson, Bama. The defense was the most heralded Buckeye defense in over a decade, coached by the newly minted $2.5 million Defensive Coordinator. This group was facing a team led by an Offensive Line coach. A team that lost its best Offensive Lineman and best DB at critical points in the game. And your argument is this was Ohio State’s worst team and Michigan didn’t win by enough; so must be suspicious. 🤣.
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“Worst Ohio State team”
You would lend your arguments some credence if you didn’t throw stuff on a wall and hope it sticks.
the JR & SR classes that took the field for the Buckeyes were two of the most heralded classes EVER assembled in recruiting services histories. Henderson, JT, Egbuka, Stover, Sawyer, Harrison, Burke were all 5* top 5 recruits at their positions. Better than Georgia, Clemson, Bama. The defense was the most heralded Buckeye defense in over a decade, coached by the newly minted $2.5 million Defensive Coordinator. This group was facing a team led by an Offensive Line coach. A team that lost its best Offensive Lineman and best DB at critical points in the game. And your argument is this was Ohio State’s worst team and Michigan didn’t win by enough; so must be suspicious. 🤣.
Live look at Michigan fan base
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Live look at Michigan fan base
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While your additions have given me some great laughs as you’ve truly added so many good posts this season, please don’t go near the White House any more and while searching for clothes, take a look a the true look of Michigan fans. So many people just experienced a lifelong memory.
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An interesting stat from the last 3 years against Ohio. In the 2nd Half Michigan has punted just once with zero turnovers. The rest were scoring drives or victory formation.
Yesterday’s 2nd half play-calling had a big impact. The Alex Orji package, Donovan Edwards pass, TE slip, all delivered on key drives. The biggest being Michigan’s response after Ohio State muscled it down the field with Henderson and Traynum. In the 2nd half Moore out-coached Knowles. A lot of focus on isolating LB’s and taking advantage of over-pursuit. I thought the Buckeye DT’s and corners played really well.
On to Iowa. Another top defense. And a really good challenge for Michigan’s patchwork O-Line.
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While your additions have given me some great laughs as you’ve truly added so many good posts this season, please don’t go near the White House any more and while searching for clothes, take a look a the true look of Michigan fans. So many people just experienced a lifelong memory.
[img width=274.381 height=375]https://i.imgur.com/0ptstyy.jpg[/img]
Good for them...checks notes...winning a game they were favored to win?
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Some good news for Iowa. WR Kaleb Brown injured against Nebraska, has a chance to play. He is Iowa's best WR and has been coming on in recent weeks.
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This is priceless. And as SuperMario said; makes yesterday so much sweeter. It is clearly impacting your life to a great degree. Digging up every instance, even situations that Michigan had no blame in; like getting beaten over their head in a tunnel.
Listen MR 209 posts when you pull your nose out out hairball's backside.The why did hide hide a gun felony on you UZI "3 Clip" Smith after 3 tunnel fights and a fight on the field.He's right the worst OSU team in the last 3 years took the best Michigan team over the same period to the last minute of the game.After giving them 7 in a game they lost by 6.All those fights,brawl and gun felony swept under the rug where you reside.Even the Texas and Bama Boards call you cheaters.Congrats on 5 wins since 2001,but you already knows how this ends.Someone will be making Michigan cookies - put in a Bowl and beat for 3 hrs. or you could makemhistory and win a 1st outright National Championship since 1948 (75 yrs)
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An interesting stat from the last 3 years against Ohio. In the 2nd Half Michigan has punted just once with zero turnovers. The rest were scoring drives or victory formation.
Interesting note 3 michigan coaches have been fired and the HC/Admn's had a chance for a court hearing and begged off and aggreed to a suspension - that always happens for the hell of it
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Interesting note 3 michigan coaches have been fired and the HC/Admn's had a chance for a court hearing and begged off and aggreed to a suspension - that always happens for the hell of it
Interesting note - Perusing the calendar, it has been 1,457 days since Ohio State has beaten Michigan. Ryan Day is 1-3 in the rivalry. Former players Michael Bennett, Cie Grant, Bobby Carpenter, Mo Clarett and others are calling for Day’s head. AD Gene Smith is fighting volunteer staff in Michigan Stadium. Kyle McCord has faced threats of violence from Buckeye fans. The db coach is on social media chirping at Michigan players. Jim Knowles sister is fighting with Buckeye fans defending her brother’s dedication and honor.
All is well in Columbus. Remain Calm!
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Why do you keep bringing up the tunnel fight? Did I miss something where it was not multiple MSU players that were charged and video shows like 7 on 1 and one of them swinging a helmet?
am I missing part of the story? Quite possible so fill me in.
Did you miss the prosecutor was a UofM grad and the players were afflicted so greviously they praticed next monday.the Blue Wall is so corrupt it creeps into the legal system.The one kid served a 3 game suspenesion and found innocent of anything.Booger calls them thugs and UZI Smith a good kid - who never served any penalty?3 fights against 3 different teams in the tunnel and on the field brawl that UM program was hosting? and they have film of the 1 victim going right up the Spartans locker room door M-Fing them after the brawl on the field when he was suppose to stay back and allow the opponents to go in 1st.Have you gotten popped in the head at a company Christmas party for simply attending kinda would have 2nd thought about the hosts wouldn't you?And URBZ was a slime ball I never cared for the guy but if you & this UM '63 tart think either he or Tressel broke the rules like Booger you must believe everything you read on the internet and then report it as an insider. I haven't fired or suspended anyone,so write the Big Ten and the NCAA if you think they have the moral high ground
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Breaking news - It has been 1,457 days since Ohio State has beaten Michigan. Ryan Day is 1-3 in the rivalry. Former players Michael Bennett, Cie Grant, Bobby Carpenter, Mo Clarett and others are calling for Day’s head. AD Gene Smith is fighting volunteer staff in Michigan Stadium. The cornerback coach is on social media chirping at Michigan players. Jim Knowles sister is fighting with Buckeye fans defending her brother’s dedication and honor.
All is well in Columbus. Remain Calm!
I am calm hopfully you do the same when you're winning your 1000 th game for the 2nd time after Booger bolts town of course.BTW just curious why did the Ivory Towers in AA pull his contract extension,surely a miscarriage of justice - what say you?
PS - take it to the Michigan Season thread this is Hawkinole's thread
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Calm down, men.
We have a tradition at Iowa of the "beer band" going from bar to bar in Iowa City on Fridays before big games and especially at homecoming. Powers that be try to quash it, but it has been going around since at least the 1970s.
Starting at 6:33, this is dedicated to Michigan. You can view for other teams, but 6:33 is for this week's Michigan game.
Iowa Beer Band "R" rated. Sept. 2011 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3pVjsYr6NY)
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Good for them...checks notes...winning a game they were favored to win?
the last meeting before the overhaul of the conference and the playoff schedule of all of college football, which will diminish the impact of The Game, where the teams were ranked 2nd and 3rd in the country and the winner heads off to the college football playoff? The meeting after a scandal has come up a few weeks prior that seemingly has pinned the programs and fan bases against each other at the highest level it’s been in a long time? When you look at your notes, try to take off your hate goggles so you could comprehend how attending a game like this is a once in a lifetime event for some people.
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Did you miss the prosecutor was a UofM grad and the players were afflicted so greviously they praticed next monday.the Blue Wall is so corrupt it creeps into the legal system.The one kid served a 3 game suspenesion and found innocent of anything.Booger calls them thugs and UZI Smith a good kid - who never served any penalty?3 fights against 3 different teams in the tunnel and on the field brawl that UM program was hosting? and they have film of the 1 victim going right up the Spartans locker room door M-Fing them after the brawl on the field when he was suppose to stay back and allow the opponents to go in 1st.Have you gotten popped in the head at a company Christmas party for simply attending kinda would have 2nd thought about the hosts wouldn't you?And URBZ was a slime ball I never cared for the guy but if you & this UM '63 tart think either he or Tressel broke the rules like Booger you must believe everything you read on the internet and then report it as an insider. I haven't fired or suspended anyone,so right the Bit Ten and the NCAA if you think they have the moral high ground
So the video of MSU players ganging up and swinging a helmet at one Michigan player is the corrupt legal system working in Michigan’s favor? And one guy going up and running his mouth where he shouldn’t have been is an excuses 7 guys to attack him? Thats just and acceptable and him running his mouth was the issue not the response? Got it
Tressel wasn’t fired for gold pants and tattoos and it’s quite hilarious for an osu fan to take the integrity and moral high ground speech over and over, yet anything with their program known for wrongdoing is just tin foil hat stuff people must have read on the internet.
Good to see the rivalry is back.
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Like everyone who respects integrity, I'll be rooting for Iowa.
Not because I'm for Iowa, nor even because I'm against Michigan but because the kids at Oregon or Texas or whoever ends up #5 deserve a chance and I'd hate to see their chance stolen by dirty cheating scUM who will have to vacate their CFP appearance anyway.
To be fair, the kids at Michigan deserve a fair shot too but their own coaches deprived them of that.
LOL. Vacate? Not happening. If you've bought into Day's Michigan cheated worse than anything in the history of the world PR campaign all the better. Hoping the Suckeyes keep Day and keep concentrating on PR BS instead of blocking and tackling.
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Calm down, men.
We have a tradition at Iowa of the "beer band" going from bar to bar in Iowa City on Fridays before big games and especially at homecoming. Powers that be try to quash it, but it has been going around since at least the 1970s.
Starting at 6:33, this is dedicated to Michigan. You can view for other teams, but 6:33 is for this week's Michigan game.
Iowa Beer Band "R" rated. Sept. 2011 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3pVjsYr6NY)
experienced this many many times
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Good to see the rivalry is back.
Amen
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So the video of MSU players ganging up and swinging a helmet at one Michigan player is the corrupt legal system working in Michigan’s favor? And one guy going up and running his mouth where he shouldn’t have been is an excuses 7 guys to attack him? Thats just and acceptable and him running his mouth was the issue not the response? Got it
Tressel wasn’t fired for gold pants and tattoos and it’s quite hilarious for an osu fan to take the integrity and moral high ground speech over and over, yet anything with their program known for wrongdoing is just tin foil hat stuff people must have read on the internet.
Good to see the rivalry is back.
What was he doing M-Fing STATE players right up to their locker room door?Right after a brawl on the field - do ya think tempers may have been red lining? What the hell happened to sportsmanship? But when emotions run that high Harbaugh is suppose to act like an adult instead he encourages this behavior.But the M program is exonerated from all the fights,firings,gun toting team captain - are all made up nothingburgers just because they beat an average OSU team in a weak conference.Got It.
just curious - Glock,3 clips,65 slugs where was he going in Ann Arbor? to a pep rally?
What is quite hilarious is you bloviating nonsense "The more Michigan wins from here, the more it diminishes the argument it had great impact on outcomes." Nice try but no not at all homeboy - quite the opposite as Medina pointed out the worst OHIO ST team in the 3rs took the the Best Michigan team 3 yrs to the final gun,after getting gifted a redzone pick from a shaky QB in a game M won by 6. That is hilarious that Hallelujah Chorus
Can't find the video where they were seperated after the field fight BUT Michigan players were still egging on and screaming at MSU getting off the field.One fan smacked Mel Tugger in the Grill going up the tunnel- that is how opponents are treated in the Out house and it wasn't an isolated case.Penn ST & Ohio ST they had it coming to. Booger has a history of getting in the face of opposing coaches - always after vitorys i might add - numerous times so there is no chance that he instigates & encouragesit - got it. The one guy swung a helmet - he deserved to go and he was kicked off team.How about UZI,err I mean MAZI - nothing - he slithered off to the NFL
END OF RANT GOOD LUCK IN THE PLAYOFFS - they'll need it
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Some good news for Iowa. WR Kaleb Brown injured against Nebraska, has a chance to play. He is Iowa's best WR and has been coming on in recent weeks.
and you know, being a former bucknut, he's got to love Michigan
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Is there anyone associated with Michigan willing to admit that they cheated and that this industrial-scale cheating was a serious assault on the integrity of the sport?
Is accountability a thing in Michigan?
You should watch some Valenti show he pasted that program good - it's why they are referred to the Blue Wall by Spartan Alumni/Fans.Something is remiss when an Michigan Law Professor is suppose to be prosecuting a Michigan Football player and doesn't recuse himself because of a conflict of interest
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Nubbz,
What's in yer coffee this morning???
up pretty early with plenty of piss & vinegar
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What was he doing M-Fing STATE players right up to their locker room door?Right after a brawl on the field - do ya think tempers may have been red lining? What the hell happened to sportsmanship? But when emotions run that high Harbaugh is suppose to act like an adult instead he encourages this behavior.But the M program is exonerated from all the fights,firings,gun toting team captain - are all made up nothingburgers just because they beat an average OSU team in a weak conference.Got It.
just curious - Glock,3 clips,65 slugs where was he going in Ann Arbor? to a pep rally?
What is quite hilarious is you bloviating nonsense "The more Michigan wins from here, the more it diminishes the argument it had great impact on outcomes." Nice try but no not at all homeboy - quite the opposite as Medina pointed out the worst OHIO ST team in the 3rs took the the Best Michigan team 3 yrs to the final gun,after getting gifted a redzone pick from a shaky QB in a game M won by 6. That is hilarious that Hallelujah Chorus
Can't find the video where they were seperated after the field fight BUT Michigan players were still egging on and screaming at MSU getting off the field.One fan smacked Mel Tugger in the Grill going up the tunnel- that is how opponents are treated in the Out house and it wasn't an isolated case.Penn ST & Ohio ST they had it coming to. Booger has a history of getting in the face of opposing coaches - always after vitorys i might add - numerous times so there is no chance that he instigates & encouragesit - got it. The one guy swung a helmet - he deserved to go and he was kicked off team.How about UZI,err I mean MAZI - nothing - he slithered off to the NFL
END OF RANT GOOD LUCK IN THE PLAYOFFS - they'll need it
Congrats on cracking the case. The last I saw the kid was racing up the tunnel to see his dad, who had to race out of town. Somehow you have the magic audio of that tunnel conversation preceding the assault that no one else acquired. After the 3rd consecutive loss a Buckeye fan is bloviating conspiracies from games a year prior that Ohio didn’t play in. This is the anger stage in the 5 stages of grief.
how is that Day comment from three years ago going. “We’ll hang 100 on them.”
The rivalry is alive and well. On to Iowa. Ferentz / Harbaugh press conference yesterday was great. Hotel prices in Indy are steep again. If I were a betting man I would guess Michigan’s Will Johnson sits this Saturday, unless absolutely necessary.
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I think we need a thread about the Michigan/Iowa game.
This one should not last much longer.
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Congrats on cracking the case. The last I saw the kid was racing up the tunnel to see his dad, who had to race out of town. Somehow you have the magic audio of that tunnel conversation preceding the assault that no one else acquired. After the 3rd consecutive loss a Buckeye fan is bloviating conspiracies from games a year prior that Ohio didn’t play in. This is the anger stage in the 5 stages of grief.
Thanx for proving my point he was outside of MSU's lockerroom MFing MSU,not going to see FATHER - very touching but slappies such as your self run with.Just like UZI was going to the Gun Range when one wasn't opened around there at 9:34 in the morning and he couldn't get near one with out his drivers license and his conceal carry permit which he was also w/o
Sorry badge carry on
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Some good news for Iowa. WR Kaleb Brown injured against Nebraska, has a chance to play. He is Iowa's best WR and has been coming on in recent weeks.
Funny I read the same thing and my reaction was, oh crap he is not playing.
It is bad enough Iowa has lost its top 2 TE's, it's starting QB, it's #CB and PR, but now finally in November they find a guy who can actually do something at WR and now he is maybe out. I know in the end it won't make a difference but Iowa just can't afford to lose anybody else.
Still trying to figure what's up with the other Kaleb, Iowa RB Kaleb Johnson. The clear #1 RB at the start of the season, he has mysteriously missed a lot of plays during conference play. Part of it I guess is LeShun Williams has stepped it up in Johnson's place, but something else seems to be limiting his play.
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I know in the end it won't make a difference but Iowa just can't afford to lose anybody else.
You never know. There's always games that have that "trap" feeling. Like the team wasn't as mentally prepared as they should have been or went into the game assuming a win and the opposition had a bigger heart and motivation going into it. Michigan was lucky to get past Maryland as they probably looked past them. I can see Iowa coming in with something to prove and their defense has been pretty incredible most of the year. Ferentz puts together some pretty incredible teams, with a little less than shiny helmet.
Michigan likely has more talent and should win, but you never know when a team is so passionate they want to shock the world. is it likely? No, but you never know.
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SuperMario: Iowa will come in with much motivation, and Iowa does possess the keys to success to win games against middling opponents. But, Iowa has no offense. The Iowa defense is great, but is not forcing as many turnovers, as some of the past Iowa defenses. Add to that, Michigan takes care of the ball. The odds of Iowa getting more than one short field seems low. Michigan has a defense, too. So ....
The "what if" spectacle nevertheless circulates in my imagination.
"What if Iowa defeats Michigan?" What is the probability in this scenario that any Big Ten team would be invited to the playoff, and if so, which one?
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The only thing going for Iowa is that Michigan has yet to play a WTF game.
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might be a bit of a let down after "the game"
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Michigan is gonna win and it's not gonna be close.
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So ....
The "what if" spectacle nevertheless circulates in my imagination.
"What if Iowa defeats Michigan?" What is the probability in this scenario that any Big Ten team would be invited to the playoff, and if so, which one?
If by some miracle Iowa beats Michigan, then I will think it would help Mich if Georgia beats Bama, Wash beats Ore, OkSU beats Tex, and Lou beats FSU. Mich could then still sneak onto the playoffs with a loss.
This could shake up the projections for NY6 bowls too because Iowa, Lou, Oksu would grab spots in a NY6. Pushing PSU and Mizzou to the Citrus Bowl.
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might be a bit of a let down after "the game"
A conference championship game with a ticket to the playoff could be a letdown game?
I've heard it all!
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If by some miracle Iowa beats Michigan, then I will think it would help Mich if Georgia beats Bama, Wash beats Ore, OkSU beats Tex, and Lou beats FSU. Mich could then still sneak onto the playoffs with a loss.
I suspect Georgia beats Bama, Oregon beats Washington, Texas defeats Okla State, and FSU defeats Louisville.
If this were the scenario no slack is cut for Michigan, or Ohio State. Now, then, would Texas slide in? Would Michigan slide in? Or would Ohio State get in ahead of Michigan? The margin between Ohio State and Michigan in "The Game" was very thin. What would the playoff committee do?
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it's not referred to as "the game" fer nuttin
it's way bigger than the national champ game!
Michigan doesn't seem to see much value in national champ trophies
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If this were the scenario no slack is cut for Michigan, or Ohio State. Now, then, would Texas slide in? Would Michigan slide in? Or would Ohio State get in ahead of Michigan? The margin between Ohio State and Michigan in "The Game" was very thin. What would the playoff committee do?
well, Texas has a win over Bama on the road
biggest card in the deck!
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Good point. An Iowa win could be a problem for Michigan getting in the playoff. They didn't play a P-5 nonconference school whereas Ohio State (Notre Dame) and Texas did.
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hah, Iowa upsets Michigan and Michigan has NO chance at the playoff
it won't happen but.......... Nubbz would think it funny as all get out
Medina would think it karma
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Fearless, did you watch the documentary on Nile Kinnick on IPTV, tonight? I was impressed how he immersed himself as a boy into football and basketball. His dad played for Iowa State. He grew up mostly in Adel. The family moved from Adel to Nebraska his senior year in high school. He was 1st team all-state his junior year in football and basketball in Iowa. He was 1st team all-state in Nebraska in both sports his senior year.
His 1st cousin who his over 90 told many stories about the family. As a kid Nile learned a lot about football from his dad. Kicking was one area he learned. Nile, who was right-handed, learned to throw left-handed, too. That way when he rolled out left on a passing play he could throw with this left arm.
I knew he was a great punter. I didn't know he punted 16 times in the 1939 Notre Dame game. Hawkeye history has gone full circle. Kinnick's last punt of the Notre Dame game was a 67-yard punt to pin Notre Dame deep for its final series in a 7-6 Iowa win. Kinnick successfully made a drop kick extra point after his famous score from the 2-yard line against Notre Dame. When Notre Dame scored a TD their kicker missed the extra point from a place kick.
I knew Kinnick was a drop kicker. I did not know drop kicking by 1939 was obsolete. I am reading hx on football shapes, and by 1935 the football we know today was introduced, and there have been no remarkable substantive changes. By 1935 the drop kick became obsolete.
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well, Texas has a win over Bama on the road
biggest card in the deck!
The head-to-head trump card is only if all else is equal.
If Bama beats Georgia, everything isn't equal.
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hah, Iowa upsets Michigan and Michigan has NO chance at the playoff
it won't happen but.......... Nubbz would think it funny as all get out
Medina would think it karma
That is a dirty,no good,low down,lousy,accurate thing to state
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The head-to-head trump card is only if all else is equal.
If Bama beats Georgia, everything isn't equal.
two teams with one loss and conference championships. As crazy as it is wouldn’t they have to go Texas > Bama > Georgia.
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If Georgia and Michigan win, feels pretty set. Them, either Oregon or Washington, then FSU if they win. If not then Texas if they win. If both of them lose OSU.
Georgia and Michigan losing are real wildcards and I don't have any feel for what they'll do in that case.
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If Georgia and Michigan win, feels pretty set. Them, either Oregon or Washington, then FSU if they win. If not then Texas if they win. If both of them lose OSU.
Georgia and Michigan losing are real wildcards and I don't have any feel for what they'll do in that case.
So assuming that Georgia and Michigan win, they and the P12CG winner are in and your order for the final spot is:
- FSU if they win, otherwise out.
- Texas if they win, otherwise out.
- Ohio State as the backstop because they are done at 11-1.
I'm not sure that Ohio State is the backstop because there is an argument to take 12-1 FSU or Washington ahead of them. The year when MSU beat undefeated Iowa in the B1GCG, their final rankings had 12-1 Iowa ahead of 11-1 Ohio State despite nobody actually thinking the Hawkeyes were a better team.
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So assuming that Georgia and Michigan win, they and the P12CG winner are in and your order for the final spot is:
- FSU if they win, otherwise out.
- Texas if they win, otherwise out.
- Ohio State as the backstop because they are done at 11-1.
I'm not sure that Ohio State is the backstop because there is an argument to take 12-1 FSU or Washington ahead of them. The year when MSU beat undefeated Iowa in the B1GCG, their final rankings had 12-1 Iowa ahead of 11-1 Ohio State despite nobody actually thinking the Hawkeyes were a better team.
There is an argument, but at that point you will have the committee determining who is the best/most deserving 1 loss non champ, and OSU has good claims there. FSU is probably in the weakest position, and while I agree that Washington would have a good argument in that they beat a team in the field, the committee has seemed unimpressed by them over the course of the season.
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There is an argument, but at that point you will have the committee determining who is the best/most deserving 1 loss non champ, and OSU has good claims there. FSU is probably in the weakest position, and while I agree that Washington would have a good argument in that they beat a team in the field, the committee has seemed unimpressed by them over the course of the season.
Completely agree with this. Also Vegas seems to agree with you as well as Washington is a heavy dog. Osu would be more deserving than a 1 loss Washington based on visual and big wins.
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Completely agree with this. Also Vegas seems to agree with you as well as Washington is a heavy dog. Osu would be more deserving than a 1 loss Washington based on visual and big wins.
Might depend on scores too but you never know what the committee is going to do.
Their 2015 ranking with 12-1 Iowa ahead of 11-1 Ohio State was pretty clearly based more on "deserve" than "best". As I see it the arguments would be:
- Iowa deserves it, they went to their CG.
- Ohio State is the better team by all appearances.
If they lean toward "deserve" rather than "appear" then Ohio State isn't in the discussion, it is between any available 1-loss CG losers.
If they lean toward appearances then since losing their QB FSU barely beat a sub .500 SEC team and LOST to a 2-loss Louisville. Similarly, Washington hasn't been impressive all year long. Ohio State appears much better than those two.
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Completely agree with this. Also Vegas seems to agree with you as well as Washington is a heavy dog. Osu would be more deserving than a 1 loss Washington based on visual and big wins.
There are a lot of really intriguing scenarios going into the weekend.
The SEC could be on the outside looking in with a Bama win, as hard as that is to believe.
Michigan out with a loss to Iowa.
The verbal jousting is building regarding an undefeated Fl State being in or out, with their QB situation. Danny Kannell vs. SECESPN
Gundy could send Texas packing to the SEC with an upset.
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I'm not sure that Ohio State is the backstop because there is an argument to take 12-1 FSU or Washington ahead of them. The year when MSU beat undefeated Iowa in the B1GCG, their final rankings had 12-1 Iowa ahead of 11-1 Ohio State despite nobody actually thinking the Hawkeyes were a better team.
I think that was so that Iowa could go to the Rose Bowl.
The committee did some weird things in that final poll that year. They also jumped MSU up to #3, because I think everyone thought Alabama was the best team, but they had a loss, and Clemson didn't. So they moved MSU up to #3, so that they could get the de facto 1-4 game in the 2-3 game
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I think that was so that Iowa could go to the Rose Bowl.
The committee did some weird things in that final poll that year. They also jumped MSU up to #3, because I think everyone thought Alabama was the best team, but they had a loss, and Clemson didn't. So they moved MSU up to #3, so that they could get the de facto 1-4 game in the 2-3 game
I never really thought of it that way. I thought they were just rewarding CG appearances/wins.
Ohio State was #7 in the final CFP rankings that year which to this day is the lowest final ranking for Ohio State. After the CG's:
- B1GCG winner MSU passed the Iowa team they beat AND an Oklahoma team that didn't have a CG.
- B1GCG loser Iowa only dropped one spot, being passed by the MSU team that beat them.
- P12CG winner Stanford leap-frogged Ohio State despite beating a decidedly mediocre (barely over .500) USC team in the P12CG and having two losses.
I read that as:
- Rewarding teams that win CG's, and
- Not wanting to punish CG losers for having to play an extra tough game.
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Might depend on scores too but you never know what the committee is going to do.
Their 2015 ranking with 12-1 Iowa ahead of 11-1 Ohio State was pretty clearly based more on "deserve" than "best". As I see it the arguments would be:
- Iowa deserves it, they went to their CG.
- Ohio State is the better team by all appearances.
If they lean toward "deserve" rather than "appear" then Ohio State isn't in the discussion, it is between any available 1-loss CG losers.
If they lean toward appearances then since losing their QB FSU barely beat a sub .500 SEC team and LOST to a 2-loss Louisville. Similarly, Washington hasn't been impressive all year long. Ohio State appears much better than those two.
But the terrible structure of the B1G doesn’t prove they don’t deserve to be in the conversation. The have wins over PSU, Notre Dame and a pretty well fought game against the #2 or #1 team in the country. A loss by Washington and FSU and OSU deserves to be there unless the Washington loss is down to the wire and a last second loss. Then I can see the argument that they did also beat the team the lost to in the CCG.
now if Georgia loses then throw all that out the window.
look what you’ve done. You’re making me defend OSU.
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the committee does weird things
I'll wait a week
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look what you’ve done. You’re making me defend OSU.
It's called having kids and getting soft.
Wait until the grandkids come. You'll be cheering for OSU.
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It's called having kids and getting soft.
Wait until the grandkids come. You'll be cheering for OSU.
Haha. Let’s not get crazy now.
they and health have put a lot into perspective. The only thing that has kept me a little passionate about sports and the rivalry is my oldest, 7, absolutely loves Michigan football. The last 3 years she has asked to make a video and send it to my best friend that lives in western Ohio. Her video is brief every year.. hi uncle Brent. “Go Blue. Ohio state.. booooo”
she screamed and jumped into my arms during the last interception. It’s moments like that the keep sports special. And also keep my memory sharp enough not to root for that team down south
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But the terrible structure of the B1G doesn’t prove they don’t deserve to be in the conversation. The have wins over PSU, Notre Dame and a pretty well fought game against the #2 or #1 team in the country. A loss by Washington and FSU and OSU deserves to be there unless the Washington loss is down to the wire and a last second loss. Then I can see the argument that they did also beat the team the lost to in the CCG.
now if Georgia loses then throw all that out the window.
look what you’ve done. You’re making me defend OSU.
LoL.
I'm more talking about what I think they *WILL* do rather than what I as an individual think they *SHOULD* do.
I brought up the 2015 example because I think that one was pretty clear-cut. I don't think more than a trivial amount of people actually thought that 12-1 Iowa was better than 11-1 Ohio State so that makes it pretty clear that the committee valued "deserve" over "better" and felt that Iowa was more deserving because they went to the CG. If they follow that precedent then Ohio State doesn't even have a mathematical shot because UGA/M/FSU/UW would all be ahead of them EVEN with losses in their CG's.
Even if all of this possibility is actually there, Ohio State would still need wins by Louisville (2.5 point dog) and OkSU (15 point dog) so the whole discussion feels academic.
At the end of the day, there is a lot of luck involved in winning an NC. Some of that is what kind of seasons other teams have. 1973 is a great example of Ohio State and Michigan having bad luck there. They tied in Ann Arbor and both finished 10-0-1. Ohio State was #2 in the final poll and Michigan was #6. The National Champion was Notre Dame who had a much closer game against USC in South Bend than Ohio State had against USC in Pasadena. My point here is that if Ohio State and Michigan had had those teams sequentially in 1972 and 1973 or 1973 and 1974 there is a decent chance that both would have won NC's. They didn't, tied each other, and neither won an NC.
The luck angle that has me thinking about that is the frustration that the last two years Ohio State had great offenses hampered by mediocre defenses and now this year Ohio State finally has an elite defense but their offense is merely good so here we are. Either of the last two Ohio State offenses with this Ohio State defense would EASILY be favored to win it all.
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The luck angle that has me thinking about that is the frustration that the last two years Ohio State had great offenses hampered by mediocre defenses and now this year Ohio State finally has an elite defense but their offense is merely good so here we are. Either of the last two Ohio State offenses with this Ohio State defense would EASILY be favored to win it all.
I understood your point from the 2015 reference.
I don't think you are giving OSU enough credit on offense to be honest. Yes McCord had to picks. The first was just a heck of a defensive play, by one of the best DBs in the country. The second, McCord was hit as he threw. OSU still had 270 yards passing and over 100 rushing against one of the best defenses in the country. If there's a criticism, it's more balls should be thrown for Marvin to go make a play. Almost similar to what Henne used to do with Braylon. Just throw it up and let him go get it. He's gonna go and get it.
I also think OSU has been a little spoiled at QB the last decade. CJ, Fields, Haskins, Barrett, Braxton and Cardale? lol.. It's almost unheard of to have a run that good. Is McCord near that level? Probably not. That being said, it probably backs your statement a bit that the offense is a step back in the most important position. About time you guys had to watch a less than elite qb. :)
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if I'm Michigan, I'm just going with the Penn State game plan. Run the ball 65 times and play field position. Only way Iowa can beat you is if you have sloppy ST's disaster plays or the disaster turnover on offense.
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Michigan's backups would beat Iowa 12-10.
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2015 was a weird year for the Big Ten
MD and Rutgers were already included and Big Ten had already switched to the East-West Divisions, but still was playing only 8 conference games.
Iowa went 12-0 and 8-0 in the regular season without having to play Ohio St, Mich, PSU or MSU. But Iowa did beat ranked Wisconsin, which finished 10-3 and Iowa beat a ranked NW which also finished 10-3
MSU finished 11-1 and 7-1, beating Michigan because MSU returned a fumbled snap by the Michigan punter for a TD on the last play of the game. MSU then beat OSU on a last second FG. Then MSU beat Iowa in the CCC by 3 by scoring a TD with less than 2 minutes to play. MSU just had one of those years where everything went right in the games that mattered.
I think it's how Iowa loss the CCG to MSU is why it got the Rose Bowl. Losing by 3 in the last 2 minutes. If they had been blown out, probably OSU would have got the Rose. I don't think it was until after the bowls that it was obvious that OSU was a far better team.
Remember Iowa did not have the awful offense in 2015 that it does today. Iowa QB C. J. Beathard actually finished as 2nd team all Big Ten in 2015, and remember who Beathard beat out as Iowa's starting QB, Jake Rudock, who ended up starting for Michigan in 2015.
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2015 was a weird year for the Big Ten
MD and Rutgers were already included and Big Ten had already switched to the East-West Divisions, but still was playing only 8 conference games.
Iowa went 12-0 and 8-0 in the regular season without having to play Ohio St, Mich, PSU or MSU. But Iowa did beat ranked Wisconsin, which finished 10-3 and Iowa beat a ranked NW which also finished 10-3
MSU finished 11-1 and 7-1, beating Michigan because MSU returned a fumbled snap by the Michigan punter for a TD on the last play of the game. MSU then beat OSU on a last second FG. Then MSU beat Iowa in the CCC by 3 by scoring a TD with less than 2 minutes to play. MSU just had one of those years where everything went right in the games that mattered.
I think it's how Iowa loss the CCG to MSU is why it got the Rose Bowl. Losing by 3 in the last 2 minutes. If they had been blown out, probably OSU would have got the Rose. I don't think it was until after the bowls that it was obvious that OSU was a far better team.
Remember Iowa did not have the awful offense in 2015 that it does today. Iowa QB C. J. Beathard actually finished as 2nd team all Big Ten in 2015, and remember who Beathard beat out as Iowa's starting QB, Jake Rudock, who ended up starting for Michigan in 2015.
Drew Ott's season ending injury hurt Iowa against MSU in the Big Ten Conference Championship Game of 2015. We could all see MSU was going to score down the stretch when Iowa was playing a freshman (a very good freshman) for Drew Ott. If Drew Ott had played, I doubt MSU could win. But this thread is not about 2015. It is about how Iowa could win, or more likely lose, to 2023 Michigan and how an Iowa win would screw up playoff qualifications.
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I didn't see any evidence that the Big Ten commish had disdain for Harbaugh and instructed the officiating crew to favor the Buckeyes
so, I don't expect the Hawkeyes to get any help. Maybe even some hindrance if they put up a good fight in the 1st half
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I also think OSU has been a little spoiled at QB the last decade. CJ, Fields, Haskins, Barrett, Braxton and Cardale? lol.. It's almost unheard of to have a run that good. Is McCord near that level? Probably not. That being said, it probably backs your statement a bit that the offense is a step back in the most important position.
You left out Burrow,he and Haskins URBZ made sit behind Barret
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spoiled rotten
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You left out Burrow,he and Haskins URBZ made sit behind Barret
I didn’t leave him out. He’s not a Buckeye 😜
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I didn't see any evidence that the Big Ten commish had disdain for Harbaugh and instructed the officiating crew to favor the Buckeyes
so, I don't expect the Hawkeyes to get any help. Maybe even some hindrance if they put up a good fight in the 1st half
Probably not, but if Michigan ever needed any extra motivation, the fact that the commish will have to present the Big Ten trophy to Harbaugh provides just a little extra incentive to Michigan to win.
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I understood your point from the 2015 reference.
I don't think you are giving OSU enough credit on offense to be honest. Yes McCord had to picks. The first was just a heck of a defensive play, by one of the best DBs in the country. The second, McCord was hit as he threw. OSU still had 270 yards passing and over 100 rushing against one of the best defenses in the country. If there's a criticism, it's more balls should be thrown for Marvin to go make a play. Almost similar to what Henne used to do with Braylon. Just throw it up and let him go get it. He's gonna go and get it.
I also think OSU has been a little spoiled at QB the last decade. CJ, Fields, Haskins, Barrett, Braxton and Cardale? lol.. It's almost unheard of to have a run that good. Is McCord near that level? Probably not. That being said, it probably backs your statement a bit that the offense is a step back in the most important position. About time you guys had to watch a less than elite qb. :)
FWIW, the ESPN QBR stats jive with this. McCord is a top decile (8th) Power 5 qb. The problem is, when looking at the prior five years Stroud and Fields landed 1,2 or 3 in the county every single year.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr
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I was curious what tickets were selling for on stubhub.
Looks like you can get tickets as cheap as $40 in the upper sections behind the end one or in the corner.
Tickets at the 50-yard line in the 2nd section up, are selling for $400 on the Iowa side and $600 on the Mich side, if I interpreted that correctly.
I have a hunch these will get cheaper the closer we to get to game time, but I could be wrong.
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scalp a ticket outside the stadium 30 minutes before kickoff for $20
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https://twitter.com/Herkeyes1/status/1730198511428284760
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A Cedar Rapids bar is putting more faith in the Iowa offense than the majority of college football this season.
X-Golf, an indoor golf simulation bar, is rolling out a promotion that is as Big Ten as it gets: free beer from kickoff of the Big Ten Championship until Iowa scores against Michigan. That score can, for what it's worth, come from the offense or defense. X-Golf can swing it, probably, but it's an interesting marketing tactic for the 124th-ranked offense in the country.
The last time Michigan (12-0, 9-0 Big Ten) played Iowa in a Big Ten championship game, it took until 1:26 left in the first quarter for Iowa to put points on the board with a Caleb Shudak field goal. Iowa, which lost that game 42-3, is hoping for earlier success this season.
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scalp a ticket outside the stadium 30 minutes before kickoff for $20
The days of people on the street w paper tickets for sale are nearing an end. I last bought paper tickets for NW v osu ccg game.
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I bought one and there were plenty to be had last Friday in Lincoln
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The days of people on the street w paper tickets for sale are nearing an end. I last bought paper tickets for NW v osu ccg game.
When I went to FSU @ Pitt a few weeks ago, I didn't like the fact the only way you could buy a single game ticket from Pitt was electronically. I don't always trust the electronics.
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FWIW, the ESPN QBR stats jive with this. McCord is a top decile (8th) Power 5 qb.
Lies,damn lies and statistics
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Michigan 26, Iowa 10
Nailed it
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Of course that 1 was suppose to go in front of Michigan
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Big Ten Commissioner and Player Safety and Anti-Cheaterz Commissar Petitti was nowhere at the trophy presentation. Zak Zinter had to plow through a crowed on the stage to find the little twerp and take the trophy. Not a peep was uttered by Petitti. Coach Harbaugh refused to be on the stage with him.
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Booger should have been the bigger man by taking the stage. Not doing so looks petty, to me.
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I was wrong about Harbaugh and Petitti on the stage together. A handshake and words were exchanged.
(https://i.imgur.com/dJlMst4.jpg)
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Words were exchanged. I wonder what words. Based on the look on Pettiti's face, well, interesting.
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Booger should have been the bigger man by taking the stage. Not doing so looks petty, to me.
booger should have done many things differently
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Words were exchanged. I wonder what words. Based on the look on Pettiti's face, well, interesting.
Jim wanted to give him the Fredo kiss
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came away from that game thinking god damn Iowa has a LEGIT defense and scheme on that side of the ball. Unfortunately they have what might be the worst offense I have ever seen and that's not an exaggeration.
IF they had even an above average offense they would've probably been an undefeated team heading into the B1G CCG and a top 5-10 team.
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came away from that game thinking god damn Iowa has a LEGIT defense and scheme on that side of the ball. Unfortunately they have what might be the worst offense I have ever seen and that's not an exaggeration.
IF they had even an above average offense they would've probably been an undefeated team heading into the B1G CCG and a top 5-10 team.
They put more pressure on McCarthy than either PSU or OSU did, and those are two legit defenses
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They put more pressure on McCarthy than either PSU or OSU did, and those are two legit defenses
Agreed. JJ has been banged up and it shows. He's not moving with the same quickness or speed nor is he the same athlete as he is when healthy. Also: Karsen Barnhart has been awful at RG and Zak Zinter is being seriously missed.
JJ has like a month to heal up now and they need to get that OL figured out before they go play Bama.
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came away from that game thinking god damn Iowa has a LEGIT defense and scheme on that side of the ball. Unfortunately they have what might be the worst offense I have ever seen and that's not an exaggeration.
IF they had even an above average offense they would've probably been an undefeated team heading into the B1G CCG and a top 5-10 team.
The Michigan game was Exhibit A why The Iowa AD had to step in and fire Brian Ferentz earlier in the season. Not only did the Iowa offense not score against Mich, it turned the ball over 3 times. Then Brian gets flagged for throwing a temper tantrum and it becomes obvious Brian does not the right personality or mind to be an OC or QB Coach. Maybe he should try being a defensive line coach instead. It might fit his personality better.