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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: 847badgerfan on November 20, 2023, 12:47:56 PM
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I'm for having divisions in the conference. 18 teams, 9 per division.
East
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Penn State
Maryland
Rutgers
Purdue
Indiana
Illinois
West
Oregon
Washington
USC
UCLA
UNL
Iowa
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Northwestern
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For a maximum of what, like, 1 cross-divisional game?
That's not even the same conference anymore.
Need to figure out some sort of pod system such as what's been proposed in the SEC if the networks pony up for the extra conference game and the league goes to 9 games.
Or are you suggesting the B1G go to 10+ conference games?
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10 conference games, yes.
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10 conference games, yes.
We've had this discussion before and I remain adamantly opposed to 10 conference games. I would much rather see a 10th game scheduled by the league but against another league in something similar to the old B1G/ACC Challenge in BB.
I think that with this many teams some sort of divisional structure will be necessary because the schedules will vary too greatly. With 18 teams:
- 10 game schedule, you still miss 7
- 9 game schedule you miss 8
- 8 game schedule you miss 9
The thing is that I think 18 is too many for divisions because:
For a maximum of what, like, 1 cross-divisional game?
That's not even the same conference anymore.
Need to figure out some sort of pod system such as what's been proposed in the SEC if the networks pony up for the extra conference game and the league goes to 9 games.
Or are you suggesting the B1G go to 10+ conference games?
If you have eight divisional games then you have only one or two non-divisional games.
The problem is that 18 is not divisible by four so you can't make four equal pods.
What I think would be workable and fun with 20 teams would be:
- Four pods of five teams each.
- Nine game league schedule but you only announce eight. The eight are the other four in your pod and four other games.
- Ninth game for each team is against whatever pod you are paired with 1vs1, 2vs2, 3vs3, 4vs4, 5vs5.
- The two 1vs1 one games are effectively Conference semi-finals with the winners meeting in the CG.
The final weekend would basically all be competitive games. If you win your pod, you play another pod winner. If you are last in your pod, you play another bottom-feeder. If you are struggling for bowl eligibility, you'll play another team that is probably borderline bowl eligible.
The above actually makes more sense with 24 teams:
- Four pods of six teams each.
- Nine game league schedule but you only announce eight. The eight are the other five in your pod and one from each of the other three pods.
- Ninth game for each team is against whatever pod you are paid with 1vs1 . . . 6vs6.
- The two 1vs1 games are effectively Conference semi-finals with the winners meeting in the CG.
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Well, we're at 18 now, so I'm working with what we have.
There is essentially no school West of the Mississippi worth adding. An argument (not a strong one) could be made for one or two - at best. I say pass. The last teams truly worth arguing about for inclusion are now in the ACC - and they don't bring much to the party, IMO.
You need 6 to get to 24, obviously. The ACC is ripe for picking, but that GOR thing makes it difficult - and the SEC would also be picking.
ACC schools worth thinking about:
FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, UVA, ND, and maybe Pitt and GT.
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Tie breaker criteria for ccg participants is mind numbing when you have no divisions and that's just w 12 participants . W 18 it will be insane
I like a radical plan of changing divisions annually or every two years.
This isn't a conference anymore. It's a media network conglomerate.
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Pretty sad.
In my proposal, I have 3 charters in each division.
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It's a fun thought process to come up with divisions or pods but I think it's hard to beat the division-less flex protect plan put together by the Big Ten.
With that said, if they were forced for some reason to go with divisions, how about this
West division (4). - USC, UCLA, Ore, Wash
North division (5). - Neb, Iowa, Minn, Wisc, NW
South division (5) - ILL, PUR, Ind, Mich, MSU
East division (4) - Rut, MD, PSU, OSU
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It's a fun thought process to come up with divisions or pods but I think it's hard to beat the division-less flex protect plan put together by the Big Ten.
With that said, if they were forced for some reason to go with divisions, how about this
West division (4). - USC, UCLA, Ore, Wash Add Stanford
North division (5). - Neb, Iowa, Minn, Wisc, NW
South division (5) - ILL, PUR, Ind, Mich, MSU
East division (4) - Rut, MD, PSU, OSU Add UVA
At some point. Can't do it now.
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This isn't a conference anymore. It's a media network conglomerate.
That's not even the same conference anymore.
Ed zachery - it's too big to play every other program on a regular basis
2 divisions of 9 teams each - 9 conference games - pick your one cross over
play everyone in your division every season and develop good old fashioned rivalries - almost regional with east-west
it's 2 conferences with a playoff in December
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Ed zachery - it's too big to play every other program on a regular basis
2 divisions of 9 teams each - 9 conference games - pick your one cross over
play everyone in your division every season and develop good old fashioned rivalries - almost regional with east-west
it's 2 conferences with a playoff in December
Lol, if you are 1 side of the magic dividing line, you are stuck playing all the new west coast teams every year. The other side you are stuck playing MD and Rutgers every year.
USC is like "did I join the Big Ten to play Neb, Iowa and NW every year and then play Mich, OSU, PSU once every 9 years?" TV would hate that.
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if USC steps up and wins the division they can play one of the big 3 from the east every season in the Champ game in December
we've all known that money is eventually going to ruin college football if it hasn't already
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An "A" division and a "B" division, with promotion and relegation.
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https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1727000082258739381?s=20
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Not sure how credible this is. Probably is not.
(https://i.imgur.com/iCtDXTR.png)
Big Ten information. College football fan on X: "Florida state and North Carolina are the two schools in the ACC, as of today, that can get into the Big Ten. The money has been approved. When I shared with everyone that FOX approved money for WA/OR additions a couple of months before they were added, same thing here." / X (twitter.com) (https://twitter.com/Genetics56/status/1727384320644465057?s=20)
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I would say ultimately the Big Ten wants Notre Dame, Virginia, UNC, GT, Flor St, Miami and call it done.
At that point you got most of the Bigger population states except the state of Texas.
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I would say ultimately the Big Ten wants Notre Dame, Virginia, UNC, GT, Flor St, Miami and call it done.
At that point you got most of the Bigger population states except the state of Texas.
(https://i.imgur.com/0TZES4d.png)
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most of those dots are in the wrong places.
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most of those dots are in the wrong places.
Georgia Southern to the Big Ten ,....
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I thought Ohio State and Michigan were going to move their rivalry game to earlier in the season so they didn't play each other consecutive weeks. I just looked at the 2024 schedule and the Big Ten put the game up in rivalry week again.
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most of those dots are in the wrong places.
They are simply intended to highlight states - otherwise Indiana, Illinois, Michigan and California would have two dots.
Get with the program.
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I considered that, but they weren't in the geographic centers of the states either.
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Doesn't matter.
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GaTech, to me, would be a peculiar addition, though they at times have decent teams in other sports like baseball.
It's akin to adding Rutgers because they are near NY state.
And I don't think the ACC will break down until some court decision happens, if then, or the rights thing expires.
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I don’t foresee the ACC getting raided anytime soon. The Big Twelve seems more vulnerable. But, the chaos of the last few years could prove that otherwise. If the big fish (UNC, Clemson, FSU) split, I would be curious what happens to Notre Dame.
It’s water under the bridge now, but so really wish the Commissioner’s came together and developed a football alignment strategy that didn’t impact conferences for other sports. Oh well!
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I don’t foresee the ACC getting raided anytime soon. The Big Twelve seems more vulnerable. But, the chaos of the last few years could prove that otherwise. If the big fish (UNC, Clemson, FSU) split, I would be curious what happens to Notre Dame.
It’s water under the bridge now, but so really wish the Commissioner’s came together and developed a football alignment strategy that didn’t impact conferences for other sports. Oh well!
The B12 is stable because there's nobody left to raid. It is what it is. Who would the SEC or B1G bother poaching?
The ACC is unstable because there are at least a couple of desirable teams left.
You must realize, that at this point ONLY the SEC or the B1G will be doing any raiding. And there's only a handful of schools either of them would bother with. And that handful of schools is entirely in the ACC.
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That is fair. I guess you are either growing or dying right now. And the ACC has the most attractive pieces of the pie left to grab.
Does Kansas bring value to the B1G or SEC? Genuine question..
Not a football power, but Leipold has built something that makes them quite competitive. Basketball is obviously the attractive piece. TV markets - KC brings something new, but not significant.
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Kansas has less population than Iowa, and no real recruiting grounds. Hard pass.
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If the B1G had wanted Kansas they'd have taken them years ago.
The only schools I see still being of any potential value to the B1G or SEC are FSU, Miami, Duke, UNC, and UVA. And the cases for the last few are not overly compelling.
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I think ND is the only one left that would bring more TV revenue than it would take
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If the B1G had wanted Kansas they'd have taken them years ago.
The only schools I see still being of any potential value to the B1G or SEC are FSU, Miami, Duke, UNC, and UVA. And the cases for the last few are not overly compelling.
Clemson is a take for the SEC. NCSU and VT bring something.
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Clemson is a take for the SEC. NCSU and VT bring something.
Nah, SEC doesn't need Clemson. South Carolina and the rest of the South are already solidly owned by the SEC, there's no advantage and really only risk associated with adding them. Plus, I don't think the SEC can handle yet another team named the Tigers.
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NCAA President Charlie Baker calls for new tier of Division I where schools can pay athletes, and Nebraska’s Trev Alberts expresses his support.
https://apnews.com/article/ncaa-baker-nil-c26542c528df277385fea7167026dbe6 (https://apnews.com/article/ncaa-baker-nil-c26542c528df277385fea7167026dbe6)
LAS VEGAS (AP) — NCAA President Charlie Baker is asking members to make one of the most dramatic shifts in the history of college sports by allowing highly resourced schools to pay some of their athletes.
In a letter sent to more than 350 Division I schools Tuesday, Baker said he wants the association to create a new tier of NCAA Division I sports where schools would be required to offer at least half their athletes a payment of at least $30,000 per year through a trust fund.
Baker also proposed allowing all Division I schools to offer unlimited educational benefits and enter into name, image and likeness licensing deals with athletes.