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The Power Five => SEC => Tennessee => Topic started by: TREX on November 19, 2023, 09:37:31 AM
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Go to the 8:00 minute mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd0eRsMHpIU
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Fortunately I was on the road yesterday and missed the game. A friend texted me saying "Good start for TN". Looking at the box score tells the tale.
130 yards rushing. After that first run of 75 yds, the team rushed 24 times for 55 yards. That's 2.3 yds/rush. UGA racked up 472 yards offense to the Vols' 277 yds. Time of Possession 40:58 to 19:02.
Pathetic.
I didn't have to watch the game to know that Georgia dominated the LOS on both sides of the ball just as Mizzou did.
So this isn't all Joe Milton's fault. There is no leadership on this team.
I'd like to see Milton play the first half against Vandy, and let Nico play the 2nd half.
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The announcers made a good point about why not to play Nico yesterday I thought, to preserve his RS status. Though, of course, if he's all world as a RS sophomore, he'll be leaving. Milton has a great arm obviously but lacks some vision and of course touch. And no, it wasn't all his fault. The Vols were playing with backup backups in several positions.
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Tennessee is a shell of a team that started the season. Due to injuries the Vols were missing 3 starting DB's, 2 starting LB's, 2 starting linemen . In many cases the the back ups were 3rd stringers. Milton didn't have a great game but his revievers dropped 3-4 passes dropped in their hands. This was a total team loss. We simply don't have the depth needed to compete with UGA
Now for the fun part....going ice fishing in Minnesota after Chistmas with three UGA alums.
That should be fun.
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Hopefully they let it rest.
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We have lost four of the best receivers that we had from last year - two to the NFL and two to injury.
And I'm not sold on the new OC.
Defense banged up as well with loss of our best LB and DB for the season.
We're not nearly as deep as Georgia who can just plug and play if someone gets injured.
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Tennessee is a shell of a team that started the season. Due to injuries the Vols were missing 3 starting DB's, 2 starting LB's, 2 starting linemen . In many cases the the back ups were 3rd stringers. Milton didn't have a great game but his revievers dropped 3-4 passes dropped in their hands. This was a total team loss. We simply don't have the depth needed to compete with UGA
Now for the fun part....going ice fishing in Minnesota after Chistmas with three UGA alums.
That should be fun.
True, and something we should consider.
Have fun fishing.
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Fortunately I was on the road yesterday and missed the game. A friend texted me saying "Good start for TN". Looking at the box score tells the tale.
130 yards rushing. After that first run of 75 yds, the team rushed 24 times for 55 yards. That's 2.3 yds/rush. UGA racked up 472 yards offense to the Vols' 277 yds. Time of Possession 40:58 to 19:02.
Pathetic.
I didn't have to watch the game to know that Georgia dominated the LOS on both sides of the ball just as Mizzou did.
So this isn't all Joe Milton's fault. There is no leadership on this team.
I'd like to see Milton play the first half against Vandy, and let Nico play the 2nd half.
Was surprised Fla gave Mizzou the game they did last night.
They did not want to play Nico yesterday as they were trying to preserve his red shirt. He can play next week and in the bowl game
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We're a different team with Bru, Thornton, our DBs, etc. We still lose at Bama, and probably Mizzou and UGA... and we had our full complement against UF, and still lost...
but we don't look as bad.
And honestly -- we don't beat anybody good with Joe. He just ain't got it. Even Clemson was breaking in a freshman QB. To be fair: he's a terrible fit for Josh's system. But he's like a pretty girl. You just can't leave her alone. "if he ever plays up to his potential...". And then he flashes it, with that howitzer -- and it's like the pretty girl giving you a "come on" wink...
I quit watching pretty soon after the refs robbed us of the INT. The tickiest holding call in history -- happens on nearly every play. "Here we go again...". No way the SEC lets UGA get beat by us, at this point...
I'd check the damage. Every time I saw us with the ball, Joe's either: hitting his own lineman in the head with the ball. Or missing guys running wide open in space. Or throwing it too high, too hard, when you NEED that completion. Or overthrowing guys running wide open on fly patterns by five yards. Or, if they only have a half step, throwing it short -- assuring a pass break up.
It's pretty remarkable. Has there ever been a wider gap between potential and performance, than we see with Joe? The only thing you can rely on with him is his unreliability.
Next year will be better. If Nico is as good as advertised. You gotta score points. A lot of 'em. 17 in two games won't cut it. QB is HUGE.
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Ga lost a few players during the game.
Didn't miss a beat.
We are still not very deep.
Got beat on both lines yesterday
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They did not want to play Nico yesterday as they were trying to preserve his red shirt. He can play next week and in the bowl game
Last year the NCAA granted a one-year waver to the rule that bowl games counted and they are expected to do so again for this season, but there has not been an announcement yet.
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Last year the NCAA granted a one-year waver to the rule that bowl games counted and they are expected to do so again for this season, but there has not been an announcement yet.
I repeated what the announcers said and what some news agencies have reported, DS.
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One of my sources says that since Heupel recruited Milton out of hs and then brought him here Heupel is trying to get him into the nfl. Nico has been ready and played at a hs that is probably more advance that all but the top 30 dI programs. Nico has been ready
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The Florida game changed my mind. I went from very optimistic to a realist
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One of my sources says that since Heupel recruited Milton out of hs and then brought him here Heupel is trying to get him into the nfl. Nico has been ready and played at a hs that is probably more advance that all but the top 30 dI programs. Nico has been ready
Nico needed weight and muscle so he could better absorb the blows. He was banged up and gimpy after playing one of the earlier patsy's.
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According to 247Sports, the Vols' roster breaks down as follows:
5-stars: 2
4-stars: 33
3-stars: 52
(Note: Tennessee's two five-star players are quarterback Nico Iamaleava, who is in a backup role, and wide receiver Bru McCoy, who is out for the season due to injury.)
Georgia's roster breaks down as follows:
5-stars: 13
4-stars: 54
3-stars: 22
There's obviously a massive gap in talent between the two programs (and really, the gap is bigger than it looks because many of Tennessee's four-star players are freshmen who either haven't played this season or have seen very little action).
Vols head coach Josh Heupel basically said after the game on Saturday that closing the gap comes down to adding more talent to roster.
"We still gotta continue to take steps," said Heupel after the loss to Georgia. "That’s in what we’re doing as a program. It’s our personnel, the depth of our program."
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Nico needed weight and muscle so he could better absorb the blows. He was banged up and gimpy after playing one of the earlier patsy's.
Heard today he has gained 20 pounds this year
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Heard today he has gained 20 pounds this year
another 10-20 of muscle would do him good.
I think they were going to play him more, but other games we should have won by wider margins never materialized. Hence plans changed
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According to 247Sports, the Vols' roster breaks down as follows:
5-stars: 2
4-stars: 33
3-stars: 52
(Note: Tennessee's two five-star players are quarterback Nico Iamaleava, who is in a backup role, and wide receiver Bru McCoy, who is out for the season due to injury.)
Georgia's roster breaks down as follows:
5-stars: 13
4-stars: 54
3-stars: 22
There's obviously a massive gap in talent between the two programs (and really, the gap is bigger than it looks because many of Tennessee's four-star players are freshmen who either haven't played this season or have seen very little action).
Vols head coach Josh Heupel basically said after the game on Saturday that closing the gap comes down to adding more talent to roster.
"We still gotta continue to take steps," said Heupel after the loss to Georgia. "That’s in what we’re doing as a program. It’s our personnel, the depth of our program."
Kirby's discovered the secret. Which ain't really a secret (Phil knew it, too):
Massive amounts of talent makes you a great coach.
This is Georgia's golden age. They have everything. A great campus. Great college town. Mountains nearby, not too far from the coast... Atlanta next door...
Growing up a Georgian, I went to Athens a bunch. Had a blast every time. Played at the 40 Watt club...
They've got an alumni as coach. And he's a good coach. And great recruiter. And nobody has an easier recruiting task than the Georgia coach. Georgia's flooded with talent. And now he can pick and choose nationally as well.
Sux.
They're gonna be Alabama for awhile. We got our work cut out for us.
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Massive amounts of talent makes you a great coach.
See Saban.
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And who is responsible for recruiting those five stars?
The QB is the team leader and everyone responds to how he plays even the defense.
Those two are saying the same thing I have said previously. Heupel recruited Milton in HS he then signed him from Michigan and was going to play him regardless until he got hurt. Hooker made him look great so everyone thought he was a football genius but he isn't. Heuple has let his arrogance over come his intelligence he continued to play Milton trying to prove he was smarter than everyone else but he was proven to be wrong.
This is Heupel's third year so the excuses of depth, injuries, young and inexperienced is on him. That's the same crap we've heard from Johnny Majors, Fulmer to all the others up to Heupel when they have bad seaosns.
The portal was full of good players but he chose not to after a quality QB and others to add depth to the team. And keeping coaches like Martinez and Banks when the secondary has been the weak point from his first game is another big mistake. Banks coaches safeties and Martinez coaches corner backs in the worst secondary in the SEC and has been for three years. They couldn't cover the field with a tarp.
All this is on Heuple he's the one who gets paid to make decisions from who plays to who he hires as assistants and from what I've seen he is way over paid for the product he puts on the field.
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According to 247Sports, the Vols' roster breaks down as follows:
5-stars: 2
4-stars: 33
3-stars: 52
(Note: Tennessee's two five-star players are quarterback Nico Iamaleava, who is in a backup role, and wide receiver Bru McCoy, who is out for the season due to injury.)
Georgia's roster breaks down as follows:
5-stars: 13
4-stars: 54
3-stars: 22
There's obviously a massive gap in talent between the two programs (and really, the gap is bigger than it looks because many of Tennessee's four-star players are freshmen who either haven't played this season or have seen very little action).
Vols head coach Josh Heupel basically said after the game on Saturday that closing the gap comes down to adding more talent to roster.
"We still gotta continue to take steps," said Heupel after the loss to Georgia. "That’s in what we’re doing as a program. It’s our personnel, the depth of our program."
If this class holds together we will add at least 2 more five stars and several four stars.
Saw a good synopsis of his recruiting on another board.
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I repeated what the announcers said and what some news agencies have reported, DS.
I heard the announcers say it but I can't find a news agency reporting it. I have seen where a college coach from the Big 10 (forget which one) said that they expect an announcement on the rule in mid-December (after the final regular season game).
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Kirby's discovered the secret. Which ain't really a secret (Phil knew it, too):
Massive amounts of talent makes you a great coach.
This is Georgia's golden age. They have everything. A great campus. Great college town. Mountains nearby, not too far from the coast... Atlanta next door...
Growing up a Georgian, I went to Athens a bunch. Had a blast every time. Played at the 40 Watt club...
They've got an alumni as coach. And he's a good coach. And great recruiter. And nobody has an easier recruiting task than the Georgia coach. Georgia's flooded with talent. And now he can pick and choose nationally as well.
Sux.
They're gonna be Alabama for awhile. We got our work cut out for us.
Biggest smile I saw all day.
(https://i.imgur.com/v5U5O1d.png)
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Biggest smile I saw all day.
(https://i.imgur.com/v5U5O1d.png)
We know he likes "bumpers". :D
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I heard the announcers say it but I can't find a news agency reporting it. I have seen where a college coach from the Big 10 (forget which one) said that they expect an announcement on the rule in mid-December (after the final regular season game).
https://www.on3.com/teams/tennessee-volunteers/news/tennessee-vols-football-georgia-josh-heupel-nico-iamaleava-redshirt/?fbclid=IwAR0yQg6UBlL0NBTe5e1SHqnyuEQVd6mW3x619M788mmPwtyS2nSJ0s1f3cc&mibextid=xfxF2i
One of many sports sites that reported it
and I just had another one to pop up
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/nico-iamaleava-earns-redshirt-could-start-final-two-games/ar-AA1kcmwq?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=VALBAN&cvid=1fcd3cc443dd4ef89c52a2c3e60e20c2&ei=15&fbclid=IwAR2wk_nMxA_Kl19H1MOm1KqEzP9vAw9B0PRdp1BRzBucQNiXpXhLOhc5YPk
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Missouri turned out a lot better than nearly anyone expected. The L at Florida is a mystery, but obviously teams can play poorly on the road at times. Winning at Tloosa looked like a long shot and Tenn ran into a peaking UGA team. In a more normal year, they'd more likely bt 9-3 or 10-2.
Even so, a bowl game win is possible (depending) and 9-4 obviously isn't terrible after all the losses and injuries.
(One projection has them in the Gator playing UNC for all such guesses are worth.)
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Milton has always been cjh's pick. Without an injury last year we'd not know who Hendon hooker was...
My guess is he practices well. He folds under pressure. It's a microcosm of richt at uga- "perpetually just one adjustment or one tiny break away from legend" and to the point it seems like greater madness to abandon than work through.
I mentioned it in the shoutbox... watch the line when Milton is sacked or when a good play is made- they do not rally to him. They seem to not care too much for him, in my opinion... that speaks volumes. Chemistry is damn important in this sport and especially at the college level- and UT doesn't have it.
Milton takes all the bene's from that role- acting as he does with the theatrics and talking the shit he does in the pressers- but he doesn't produce. It's that simple.
The part I can't understand- and it's obvious on field when he tries to check out of a play and the coaches call a time out or interrupt his decision some other way- that also speaks volumes.... they don't trust his sight... which begs the hell out of the question "if you don't trust him, why is he in there?".....
I've watched every game except uga multiple times... the team is going through the motions more than anything- and so does the coaching staff... not saying they're not trying, but saying they're not trying as hard as they could. .... I get coaches have expectations their employer gives them- and depending on the agreement they have seasons circled as the ones "we'll make it X far here" and they're held to it... it may just be CJH saw this season as down and all he's been really doing is tooling and hoping for next season or the one after? .... all in all, though, four losses isn't bad... especially when two of them are to bama at bama and uga who may be one of the best teams of all time. Mizzou and UF hurt- and I blame Milton's play in both of them (and officiating at florida).
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Heuple has let his arrogance over come his intelligence...
This is Heupel's third year so the excuses of depth, injuries, young and inexperienced is on him. That's the same crap...
Told ya, Roadie.
(https://media.tenor.com/GSf4T-90WcwAAAAC/robert-downey-jr-facepalm.gif)
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Heupel better get with what's happening in the new world of college recruiting. Recruiting has changed more programs are looking at the portal to find players to fill their needs rather than taking a chance on a high school prospect hoping he'll develop into a good player.
With the portal and NIL players are now looking for the money and a chance to play. There is very little loyalty of sitting on the bench waiting their turn they want the money and to be on the field in order to get a chance of going to the next level.
So don't worry about how many 4 or 5 stars are signed out of HS worry about how many those the coach can recruit form the portal to your favorite school.
snip:
The recruiting process was already extremely competitive, but with the new implications of NCAA Transfer Portal, it has made it even more competitive. High school juniors and seniors no longer have to worry about their peers in the same graduating class when looking for programs they want to compete for. To remain competitive, college coaches now must try to find the best talent in the portal, as student-athletes with collegiate experience may be more prepared to make an immediate impact on a new team. It is imperative for high school student-athletes with an interest in pursuing college athletics to be even more proactive in their recruiting process.
https://blog.sportsrecruits.com/2023/04/04/understanding-the-transfer-portal-and-its-impact-on-the-college-recruiting-process/
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I can t recall for what source but from what I understand Heupel promised Nico’s parents that unless something happened to Milton, he would RS this year and have 4 years to play.
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Not many elite players are going to play four years, nor go past their third year of eligibility.
If he isn't elite, it's moot anyway.