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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: LittlePig on October 29, 2023, 09:06:11 AM
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1. Michigan
2. Ohio St
3. Penn St
4. Minn
5. Neb
6. NW
7. Iowa
8. Wisc
9. Rut
10. PUR
11. ILL
12. MD
13. MSU
14. IND
Oh, what to do with NW? NW beat Minn but lost to Rut.
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what to do with #4 to #12???
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what to do with #4 to #12???
Agree #4 to #9 are murky. But #10, #11, #12 are obvious to me.
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After OSU, Michigan, and PSU......there's no rhyme or reason for anything. Maryland looked like the clear cut #4......and then dropped games to Illinois and Northwestern.
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Ed Zachery
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MD has beat MSU and Ind, who have beat nobody
MD has lost to ILL who only has 1 victory (over MD) .
ILL. has lost to Purdue who only has 1 victory (over ILL)
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Thank you for proving that offensive rankings are meaningless.
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that's what Kirk and Brian keep telling everyone
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Mich*
Osu
PSU
Wisc
Rutg
Iowa
Minn
Nebr
MaryL
Nwest
Ind
ILL
Purdue
MSU
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- Michigan: A great team with a little extra advantage
- Ohio State: Have to say I am greatly enjoying this team. I really became a die hard fan during the Tressel years, so watching a defense bail out a janky offense over and over is in my wheel house.
- Penn State: Not exactly covering themselves in glory.
- Iowa: Reliable Iowa
- Wisconsin: Injuries really mounting up
- Rutgers: Honestly a competent decent outfit
- Nebraska: They have their defense sorted out, will be a tough out
- Minnesota: Still not good but perhaps improving?
- Illinois: A rough start to the season but they are improving
- Northwestern: Hey, why not
- Maryland: October is almost over
- Purdue: They kind of stink
- Indiana: A spirited effort
- MSU: Feels like they are done
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1) Michigan,sign,sign everywhere a sign Weasels still the most complete team in the BIG
2)tOSU lot of fine tuning left for this offense
3)PSU Hoosiers kept it close until the last couple of minutes
why take up bandwidth?
4)Iowa,no remarks about brian's offense this week
5)Badgers
6)Rutgers
7)'Skers
8)Goophs
9)Terps
10)Illini
11)NU
12)MSU
13)Boilers
14)Hoosiers
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things I think...
1) Michigan
2) Ohio State
gap
3) Penn State
after that....I don't know what to think anymore....
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Adding Offense + Defense B1G rankings:
1) TTUN = 2 (1+1)
2) OSU = 4 (2+2)
3) PSU = 7 (4+3)
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4) Wisconsin = 11 (5+6)
5) Maryland = 14 (3+11)
6) Minnesota= 16 (9+7)
7) Rutgers = 17 (12+6)
8) Northwestern = 17 (8+9)
9) Purdue = 19 (7+12)
10) Illinois = 19 (6+13)
11) Nebraska = 20 (11+9)
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12) MSU = 20 (10+10)
13) Iowa = 22 (14+8)
14) Indiana = 27 (13+14)
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1. Ohio State, has the best wins and is home to 2023 Heisman winner Marvin Harrison Jr.
2. Michigan
3. Penn State
4. Iowa
5. Wisconsin
6. Rutgers
7. Nebraska
8. Maryland
9. Minnesota
10. Northwestern
11. Purdue
12. Indiana
13. Illinois
14. Michigan State
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1. Ohio State, has the best wins and is home to 2023 Heisman winner Marvin Harrison Jr.
2. Michigan
3. Penn State
4. Iowa
5. Wisconsin
6. Rutgers
7. Nebraska
8. Maryland
9. Minnesota
10. Northwestern
11. Purdue
12. Indiana
13. Illinois
14. Michigan State
I appreciate the modesty of ranking the Buckeyes ahead of the Wolverines. I suppose you could make that case based on “ resume.”
But if you just go by the eye test- it’s not all that close-Michigan is better.
It’s not a disappointment to say that- They are better than any team I have watched- IMHO
I still think the only team that can beat them, is them. ( if they lay an egg somewhere along the line)
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it will be interesting to see if Michigan doesn't look as dominant w/o someone relaying opponent signals to the playcallers
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- Michigan - Bye week. They get Purdue this week so we will still not know much about them.
- Ohio State - Going into Camp Randall is always scary for the Buckeyes. But they handled it and came away with a good win.
- Penn State - For a while it looked like they were going to let tOSU beat them twice.
- Iowa - Bye week
- Wisconsin - Played tough at home.
- Rutgers - Bye week
- Minnesota - Beat a poor MSU team as they should.
- Nebraska - Gotta move them up after beating Maryland.
- Illinois - Bye week.
- Maryland - The wheels are falling off after a good start to the season. November must be close.
- Northwestern - Still mathematically in contention for the West.
- Indiana - Hung tough at PSU.
- Purdue - Not very good.
- Michigan State - It looks like a team without a purpose.
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Nebraska - Gotta move them up after beating Maryland. (Purdue)
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it will be interesting to see if Michigan doesn't look as dominant w/o someone relaying opponent signals to the playcallers
They have the talent this year. They are loaded with NFL caliber guys on both sides of the ball.
There is no doubt in my mind they will continue to dominate opponents.
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They are very talented and a great team
but, it's easier to dominate when that talent is pointed in the right direction
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They are very talented and a great team
but, it's easier to dominate when that talent is pointed in the right direction
Michigan is a very veteran, talented, and deep team.
At the end of the day it has ALWAYS been and ALWAYS will be all about the Jimmy's and the Joe's. Not the X's and the O's. You can have the best X's and O's strategist in the world- if your players fcking suck....well you're going to fcking suck.
Michigan is a very experienced team that is also loaded right now with future NFL draft picks. Usually the team with the most of those tends to win the most...
QB - JJ is a future NFL draft pick. Potentially 1st rd.
RB - Blake Corum & Donovan Edwards. Future NFL draft picks.
WR - Roman Wilson- playing himself into NFL draft pick + will run 4.3 at combine
TE - Colston Loveland & AJ Barner - both looking like NFL draft picks- especially Loveland
OL - Zak Zinter, Trevor Keegan, Karsen Barnhart, LaDarius Henderson, and Drake Nugent - could all be drafted. Zinter and Keegan will both be drafted fairly high.
DT - Kris Jenkins, Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant - all going to be round 1-2 NFL draft picks
LB - Junior Colson & Ernest Hausmann - both going to be NFL draft picks- and probably fairly high
EDGE - All four of them are future NFL draft picks- Jaylen Harrell, Braiden McGregor, Derrick Moore, and Josiah Stewart
CB - Will Johnson = future top 10 pick, Mike Sainistril = future NFL draft pick nickel
S - Rod Moore & Makari Paige = future NFL draft picks. RS Frosh Keon Sabb already looking like a....future NFL draft pick
Michigan should have 12-15 players drafted in 2023. That's a shit ton. And they possibly could have even more then that. Wouldn't surprise me to see 2-4 of those in the 1st rd. JJ + Donovan have the physical traits/talent/tools NFL teams look for at their positions and JJ has been climbing with his play and Edwards has very little wear and tear on his body in terms of volume of carries and is an absolute freak with elite receiving skills. Zak Zinter and Kris Jenkins will both make serious push for the 1st rd as well.
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so, the 30+ point spread won't be a problem?
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So roughly 8 games into the season and only 5 Big Ten teams are above the Ferentz Line (Averaging above 25.0 points per game)
40.6 Michigan
38.9 Penn State
32.6 Maryland
32.5 Ohio State
28.1 Rutgers
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24.8 Wisconsin
21.9 Purdue
21.8 Northwestern
21.1 Minnesota
20.4 Illinois
20.3 Nebraska
19.5 Iowa
18.6 Indiana
18.0 Michigan State
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Points given up per game
1. Mich 5.9
2. Ohio St 10.0
3. Penn St. 11.5
4. Iowa 14.5
5. Rutgers 15.8
6. Neb 18.6
7. Wisc 19 0
8. MD 20.4
9. Minn 22.8
10. NW. 26.0
11. MSU 27.8
11. ILL. 27.8
13. Ind 29.8
14. Pur 30.0
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I can't do rankings yet until I get some injury status.
For UW alone, they are without QB1 for the season, RB1A for the season, about 4 TE's, and now RB1A and WR1A.
I look at other teams too.
Until that stuff comes out, it's not possible to rank teams except those 3 on top, who have minimal injuries but have 4-5* backups.
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Maryland - The wheels are falling off after a good start to the season. November must be close.
The "September Maryland" thing is astounding really.
At the end of September the Terps were 5-0 and although they were not ranked, they were first in "ORV" and only nine votes behind #25 Louisville.
Then, in their first October game an early third-quarter TD gave them a 17-10 lead on the road over the #4 team in the nation. From that point in the game against tOSU:
- tOSU TD drive, 17-17
- UMD INT
- tOSU FG, 20-17
- UMD Punt
- tOSU TD, 27-17
- UMD Punt
- tOSU TD, 34-17
- UMD Punt
- tOSU FG, 37-17
- UMD Punt
- tOSU kneel-down to end the game, 37-17 Buckeyes.
Seriously, the calendar flipped from September Maryland to October Maryland with UMD's third-quarter TD in the 'Shoe. From that point forward:
- tOSU outscored them 27-0
- They lost at home to Illinois 27-24. That remains Illinois' only league win so far this year.
- They lost in Evanston 33-27, the Cats are 2-3.
They still have games against PSU and M remaining. Those are at home which is probably a bad thing because the trade-off is that the other two games (UNL and RU) are on the road. Realistically, the Terps would probably lose to the Nittany Lions and Wolverines no matter where those games were played but HFA might actually matter in the UNL and RU games.
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At the end of the day it has ALWAYS been and ALWAYS will be all about the Jimmy's and the Joe's. Not the X's and the O's. You can have the best X's and O's strategist in the world- if your players fcking suck....well you're going to fcking suck.
It's easy to say this. But Purdue in 1996 under Joe Colletto went 3-8. Purdue in 1997 with Joe Tiller went 9-3 with a bowl win. The Jimmy's and Joe's didn't change. In 2016 they went 3-9 (1-8 in conf) under Darrell Hazell and then in 2017 they went 7-6 (4-5 in conf) with a bowl win against a tougher schedule under Jeff Brohm.
Michigan has talent, of course. But if you know your opponents X's and O's, it makes that talent look even better than if you don't.
I don't think Michigan will have any trouble with Purdue or Maryland. But with Penn State and OSU still on the schedule... Not having a decided schematic sign-stealing advantage will even things out with teams that ALSO have Jimmy's and Joe's.
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It's easy to say this. But Purdue in 1996 under Joe Colletto went 3-8. Purdue in 1997 with Joe Tiller went 9-3 with a bowl win. The Jimmy's and Joe's didn't change. In 2016 they went 3-9 (1-8 in conf) under Darrell Hazell and then in 2017 they went 7-6 (4-5 in conf) with a bowl win against a tougher schedule under Jeff Brohm.
Michigan has talent, of course. But if you know your opponents X's and O's, it makes that talent look even better than if you don't.
I don't think Michigan will have any trouble with Purdue or Maryland. But with Penn State and OSU still on the schedule... Not having a decided schematic sign-stealing advantage will even things out with teams that ALSO have Jimmy's and Joe's.
Michigan is going to probably smash Purdue and Maryland.
I don't think Penn State is all-that, the only reason I'd be inclined to say it could be a close game is because the game is on the road in Happy Valley- a tough place to play with 107,000+ loud, screaming fans. James Franklin is still their coach however, Penn State has no weapons out wide, a very mid OL, and Drew Allar is a JAG underperforming 5* at this point. I'd be a little surprised if Michigan didn't smack them around to be perfectly honest.
Ohio State will be a whale of a game- it always is. Ohio State's OL ain't what it used to be- it's very up and down and they struggle to run the ball consistently, McCord is a solid good college QB- but he is not even remotely close to CJ Stroud. Marvin Harrison JR is still the best college football player on planet earth however and Ohio State's defense is really good. Should be a heckuva game. Glad it is in Ann Arbor this year.
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In the 247 Talent composite, Michigan is #14, one spot ahead of Florida. Texas A&M is #4.
MSU is #27, one spot behind Washington, who is #26
Coaching absolutely matters
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Michigan is going to probably smash Purdue and Maryland.
smashing Purdue by 24 is one thing
smashing Purdue by 45 is another
Michigan has been silly vs the spread lately. And perhaps there's been a reason for that.
You don't need to use Purdue's signs to beat them, but it helps if you want to beat them by 45
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In the 247 Talent composite, Michigan is #14, one spot ahead of Florida. Texas A&M is #4.
MSU is #27, one spot behind Washington, who is #26
Coaching absolutely matters
Yeah no one is saying coaching does not matter. It obviously does.
Those talent composites are based off 247 'croot rankings. They miss on A TON of 'croot rankings. A&M has a bunch of 5*'s and 4*'s that suck and would likely suck on almost any staff. Lots of kids they gave 5* and 4* ratings won't sniff the NFL. Lots of kids they gave 2* and 3* ratings to will go on to get drafted and be All-Pros. Obviously chances of being an NFL draft pick are higher if you're a 5* or 4*- but there are definitely outliers- and Michigan has more than a few of those outliers on their squad this season.
Bama has 5* All-Word true frosh top 10 recruit in the nation at OT that starts at LT and well kind of sucks....could he get better, sure. Absolutely. He's a true freshman. He probably should not even be starting. Especially at a place like Bama that loads up on 5* linemen. BUT....right now...today...the kid is ass-burgers.
DT Kris Jenkins was a 3*. RG Zak Zinter a 3*. Those guys are going to be 1st-2nd rd NFL draft picks in this upcoming draft. NT Kenneth Grant was a 3*- kid is trending to be a future 1st rd NFL draft pick. Nickel Mike Sainistril was a 3*. He's going to be a top 100 NFL draft pick in this upcoming draft. FS Rod Moore was a 3*. He's going to be a 2nd or 3rd rd pick in this upcoming draft.
I'm far more inclined to look at NFL draft picks than 247 'croot rankings myself...
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smashing Purdue by 24 is one thing
smashing Purdue by 45 is another
Michigan has been silly vs the spread lately. And perhaps there's been a reason for that.
You don't need to use Purdue's signs to beat them, but it helps if you want to beat them by 45
Lol. Signs or not- they are going to smash Purdue by 40+.
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We must've had Purdue's signs in the bowl game last year.
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Lol. Signs or not- they are going to smash Purdue by 40+.
callin my bookie
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JJ in conference play (5 games)
75.2% completion, 1,098 Passing Yards, 10.9 Yards Per Pass Attempt AVG, 14 TD's (11 Pass, 3 Rush) vs 0 INT's, 202.5 QB Rating, 93.8 QBR. Hasn't played in a 4th QTR.
His play in conference has been better than his play OOC.
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We must've had Purdue's signs in the bowl game last year.
Obv I don't follow Purdue football any more, but I knew way in advance that the game against LSU would be a repeat of the Music City Bowl against Auburn a few years prior.
You take an SEC power with future NFL talent that grossly underperformed their talent level as shown by W-L record, and put them up against a bunch of 2-3* Purdue players that overperform based on scheme.
Purdue might have held their own against a USCe or a Missouri. But not against a roster like LSU.
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I can't do rankings yet until I get some injury status.
For UW alone, they are without QB1 for the season, RB1A for the season, about 4 TE's, and now RB1A and WR1A.
I look at other teams too.
Husker Offense - out
O-line::: LT - LG - RG
RB::: top 2 RBs out for the season
WR::: top 3 - starting 2 true frosh and a soph
Defense -
Safety::: one out, one safety questionable, another in concussion protocol
LB::: Henrich out
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I can't do rankings yet until I get some injury status.
For UW alone, they are without QB1 for the season, RB1A for the season, about 4 TE's, and now RB1A and WR1A.
I look at other teams too.
Until that stuff comes out, it's not possible to rank teams except those 3 on top, who have minimal injuries but have 4-5* backups.
There is a rumor that Brian Ferentz may be out. Does that help Iowa's ranking?
Edit - I guess Brian is staying till the end of the 2023 season, but will not be returning to Iowa for 2024
https://www.google.com/amp/s/who13.com/news/brian-ferentz-job-status/amp/
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LittlePig knows better than I but I know the Hawks are w/o a QB and a couple TEs
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LittlePig knows better than I but I know the Hawks are w/o a QB and a couple TEs
Sounds about right. Iowa's top QB and top 2 TE's are done for the season, but Iowa's at least got their top running backs healthy enough to play again. And still hoping DL Noah Shannon can return from his year long gambling suspension. So there is some hope for Iowa.
The part I am not clear on is if 3rd string QB Joey Labas is healthy enough to start. Iowa QB Deacon Hill could not have played any worse for Iowa against Minn and basically lost the game for Iowa by fumbling twice.
Labas started last year's Music City Bowl for Iowa. Iowa won 21-0 with the Iowa defense scoring 2 TD's.
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It seems like the injuries have been worse than ever this year. Michigan and Penn State being both talented and healthy have helped make that gap wider. Even OSU has had poor injury luck
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It seems like the injuries have been worse than ever this year. Michigan and Penn State being both talented and healthy have helped make that gap wider. Even OSU has had poor injury luck
Bad luck for sure for OSU- but not as bad as last season. That was the worst.
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Bad luck for sure for OSU- but not as bad as last season. That was the worst.
100%.
Ohio State wins the natty last year if JSN and Henderson both don’t get hurt last year imo.
Shoot they would’ve beaten UGA if Marv didn’t get knocked out that game.
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B1G dominating baby...8 of the top 10. 6 from the West (you know, only 85% of that division) Lets goooooo....
https://twitter.com/CFBRep/status/1718635881567805696?s=20
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crap QB play for most
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crap QB play for most
crap everything to be honest...
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only counts non-garbage time, regulation possessions against FBS opponents:
NET YARDS PER PLAY (TOP 15 NATIONALLY)
Michigan (+4.35)
Washington (+2.82)
Georgia (+2.76)
Oregon (+2.60)
SMU (+2.30)
Ohio State (+2.25)
Florida State (+2.10)
LSU (+2.07)
Air Force (+2.07)
Notre Dame (+1.88)
Texas A&M (+1.79)
Texas (+1.66)
Louisville (+1.63)
UCLA (+1.62)
USC (+1.60)
NET YARDS PER PLAY (BIG TEN RANKINGS)
Michigan (No. 1 national)
Ohio State (No. 6)
Penn State (No. 34)
Rutgers (No. 36)
Maryland (No. 43)
Nebraska (No. 45)
Iowa (No. 49)
Wisconsin (No. 54)
Minnesota (No. 64)
Illinois (No. 70)
Purdue (No. 90)
Northwestern (No. 91)
Michigan State (No. 113)
Indiana (No. 117)
OFFENSIVE YARDS PER PLAY (BIG TEN RANKINGS)
Michigan (No. 3 national)
Ohio State (No. 27)
Maryland (No. 45)
Rutgers (No. 85)
Wisconsin (No. 86)
Illinois (No. 87)
Minnesota (No. 93)
Nebraska (No. 97)
Purdue (No. 103)
Penn State (No. 107)
Michigan State (No. 113)
Northwestern (No. 117)
Indiana (No. 120)
Iowa (No. 123)
DEFENSIVE YARDS PER PLAY (BIG TEN RANKINGS)
Michigan (No. 1 national)
Iowa (No. 2)
Penn State (No. 3)
Ohio State (No. 5)
Nebraska (No. 11)
Rutgers (No. 12)
Wisconsin (No. 22)
Maryland (No. 38)
Northwestern (No. 39)
Minnesota (No. 41)
Illinois (No. 52)
Purdue (No. 61)
Indiana (No. 89)
Michigan State (No. 91)
More stats:
Michigan ranks #1 nationally in offensive points per drive and defensive point per drive.
Georgia, Florida State, and Air Force are the only other schools that rank in the top 20 in both.
Georgia is the only other school besides Michigan that ranks top 10 nationally in both.
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all these impressive stats for michigan would be much more impressive if michigan wasn't cheating while piling up said stats
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I am trying to lay low and just let it all play out MDot.
I am not sure this is the time for bragging about Michigan stats from this season’s games already played.
Nobody doubts their talent. I doubt there are many non UM fans here that find those stats legitimate- knowing they are likely based on knowing the other teams play calls. In fact- many see that as evidence of it.
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I am trying to lay low and just let it all play out MDot.
nice try ;)
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Cheating or not, it's hard to remember the last time the Big Ten had a team that dominated the stats so completely as Michigan has this year.
With that said, it will be interesting how Michigan finishes the season. Until a couple years ago, Harbaugh had a history of looking strong at mid-season, then fizzle down the stretch. The last couple years they found a way to finish strong, unless you count the playoff games.
Big test coming on Nov 11 when Michigan travels to PSU. If Michigan blows out PSU like they have been doing to other teams, you may have to concede Michigan is doing something special.
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Michigan dominated PSU last season
I expect the same, unless............
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Michigan dominated PSU last season
I expect the same, unless............
Penn State is at home and they have a top notch defense. Unfortunately they have a truly terrible offense and James Franklin is still the head coach.
Penn State needs to sell out to stop the run and try to make it a complete slop fest, ugly ass game. They need to nail all the FG attempts they get and they also need to get a special teams score or defensive score as well. If they can't do that, I think they'll be in for a rough afternoon.
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all these impressive stats for michigan would be much more impressive if michigan wasn't cheating while piling up said stats
well signs or no signs, they'd probably smash Nebraska something like 9 out of 10 times.
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agreed, but maybe not by 45-0
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Cheating or not, it's hard to remember the last time the Big Ten had a team that dominated the stats so completely as Michigan has this year.
With that said, it will be interesting how Michigan finishes the season. Until a couple years ago, Harbaugh had a history of looking strong at mid-season, then fizzle down the stretch. The last couple years they found a way to finish strong, unless you count the playoff games.
Big test coming on Nov 11 when Michigan travels to PSU. If Michigan blows out PSU like they have been doing to other teams, you may have to concede Michigan is doing something special.
Jeem just flat out has the deepest, most talented, and most experienced roster this year that he's ever had at Michigan.
It's not that hard to figure out. JJ McCarthy is LIGHT years better than any QB he's ever had at Michigan. Blake Corum and Donovan Edwards are LIGHT years better than any RB's Jeem has ever had at Michigan. His starting 5 at OL is all 4th and 5th year players who have started A LOT of football games. Colston Loveland will be the best TE to ever play at Michigan when he's all said and done. All due respect Jake Butt. AJ Barner from Indiana from the portal has been way better than even I thought he would be. They are loaded at DT with Kris Jenkins, Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, and Rayshaun Benny. Everyone of those d-tackles is a future NFL draft pick. They are 4 deep at EDGE. They have two starting ILB's that are going to probably be 2nd rd NFL draft picks in Junior Colson and Ernest Hausmann (thanks Nebraska!). Will Johnson is LIGHT years better than any CB that Jeem has ever had at Michigan- that kid is a future top 5 NFL draft pick. FS Rod Moore is easily the best FS that Jeem has ever had in his time at Michigan.
Simply put this is just the most talented team he's ever had- and they are experienced. These guys have played/started A LOT of games. Michigan was 4th or 5th in all of P5 in terms of returning production in 2023 from the 2022 season.
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agreed, but maybe not by 45-0
yeah, you're right, it'd probably be more like 41-0.
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Michigan has at times looked unbeatable under Harbaugh until they very much looked beatable, so I temper my expectations with them somewhat. But they are plenty good.
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So roughly 8 games into the season and only 5 Big Ten teams are above the Ferentz Line (Averaging above 25.0 points per game)
Well the BIG is not exactly performing like previous seasons top-bottom. And the Hawks are ranked 4th in team defense,behind UM/tOSU/PSU that certainly skews that number some
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Cheating or not, it's hard to remember the last time the Big Ten had a team that dominated the stats so completely as Michigan has this year.
With that said, it will be interesting how Michigan finishes the season. Until a couple years ago, Harbaugh had a history of looking strong at mid-season, then fizzle down the stretch. The last couple years they found a way to finish strong, unless you count the playoff games.
Big test coming on Nov 11 when Michigan travels to PSU. If Michigan blows out PSU like they have been doing to other teams, you may have to concede Michigan is doing something special.
I just can't shake the feeling that PSU isn't really that good. They play well, they're in the right places at the right times, but I don't even trust their defense to slow down a great offense.
Ohio State I like much more. If Michigan runs wild on the Buckeye defense, there can't be any question.
....any question that they still have their signals :)
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Michigan has at times looked unbeatable under Harbaugh until they very much looked beatable, so I temper my expectations with them somewhat. But they are plenty good.
I don't think they've looked quite this good in '21 or '22. They found ways to win, but they weren't the experienced, well oiled machine they are right now. Especially in '21 with Cade as the QB.
I would say before this his 2016 and 2018 teams were probably his best looking teams. But in 2016 Wilton Speight got broken in half @Iowa and they lost by 1 point on a late FG and then by a FG in double OT @Ohio State (JT was short!). If Speight doesn't get his collarbone snapped in half vs Iowa they just might've went 12-0 in the regular season that year.
His 2018 team was looking really damn good all year until....Ohio State blew them off the fcking field in the last game of the year.
You tell me what's a better backfield on offense....
2016: Wilton Speight + De'Veon Smith & Chris Evans
2018: Shea Patterson + Karan Higdon & Chris Evans
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2023: JJ McCarthy + Blake Corum & Donovan Edwards
Also don't recall any of those squads having a CB in Will Johnson's universe. Jourdan Lewis was really damn good- which is why he went 3 rd despite being 5'9 with dr. shols lifts in his cleats. Will Johnson is pushing 6'3" and is going to be a top 5 pick when he comes out in the 2025 draft. Kinda helps the defense out when you have a CB at that size that can really cover and take half the field away & also hits like a truck.
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I just can't shake the feeling that PSU isn't really that good. They play well, they're in the right places at the right times, but I don't even trust their defense to slow down a great offense.
Ohio State I like much more. If Michigan runs wild on the Buckeye defense, there can't be any question.
....any question that they still have their signals :)
I'm with you on Penn State. While I do think their defense is really good, James Franklin is still the coach unfortunately and that offense is pretty bad. The OL is very questionable, Allar has zero weapons outside to help him out and he is still basically a rookie trying to figure things out and not a polished seasoned vet.
Last part made me LOL.
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Michigan looked pretty good last year in 2022 but they still had their Illinois game where they needed a last minute field goal to win. Funny things can happen in November.
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Michigan looked pretty good last year in 2022 but they still had their Illinois game where they needed a last minute field goal to win. Funny things can happen in November.
very true. A quarter of the season left and anything can happen.
At the same time, that game wouldn't have been close if Corum didn't tear his meniscus in the first half. Corum was dealing had over 100 yards rushing in the first half. Donovan Edwards was also out that game with a hand injury, so in the 2nd half they had neither of their top RBs. And JJ was flat out not the same QB last year that he is this year.
JJ was a 19 year old true soph last year that had a shoulder injury which caused him to miss all of spring ball last year and when he got back for fall camp he was in a QB battle and splitting reps with 1's with Cade- a battle which lasted into the 3rd week of that season. He also got zero 1 reps in bowl practices his frosh year as Cade was the starter.
JJ put on 10 pounds of muscle, his shoulder is 100%, had 12-13 starts under his belt, had an entire bowl practice of getting all the 1 reps, an entire spring ball of getting all the 1 reps, an entire fall camp of getting all the 1 reps. He's just far more experienced and a lot better than he was a year ago.
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Last week in parenthesis
- OHIO STATE (1) - defense continues to impress, but I can't believe a Ryan Day team can win a title like this
- MICHIGAN (2) - bye week
- PENN STATE (3) - players thought it was a bye week
- IOWA (4) - bye week
- WISCONSIN (5) - +2 in turnovers, but offense couldn't do anything with it
- RUTGERS (6) - bye week
- MINNESOTA (8) - that dude was a third string RB?
- NEBRASKA (9) - first bowl in 7 years seems almost assured at this point
- NORTHWESTERN (12) - this team is playing with a ton of spirit, a bowl is not out of reach
- MARYLAND (7) - I never want to hear anyone buy into September Maryland ever again
- PURDUE (10) - Hudson Card simply ain't it
- ILLINOIS (11) - bye week
- MICHIGAN STATE (13) - 1 first down in the first half is truly something
- INDIANA (14) - had some explosive plays, just not enough
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1. Ohio State
2. Michigan
3. Penn State
4. Iowa
5. Wisconsin
6. Rutgers
7. Nebraska
8. Northwestern
9. Minnesota
10. Illinois
11. Maryland
12. Purdue
13. Indiana
14. Michigan State
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Updated SOR/SP+ playoff
- #1 OHIO STATE vs. #4 Alabama
- #2 Florida State vs. #3 Washington
Under the 2024 12 team format
- #9 Oklahoma at #8 Ole Miss; winner vs. #1 OHIO STATE
- #10 Oregon at #7 MICHIGAN; winner vs. #2 Florida State
- #11 PENN STATE at #6 Texas; winner vs. #3 Washington
- #12 James Madison at #5 Georgia; winner vs. #4 Alabama
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Updated SOR/SP+ playoff
- #1 OHIO STATE vs. #4 Alabama
- #2 Florida State vs. #3 Washington
Under the 2024 12 team format
- #9 Oklahoma at #8 Ole Miss; winner vs. #1 OHIO STATE
- #10 Oregon at #7 MICHIGAN; winner vs. #2 Florida State
- #11 PENN STATE at #6 Texas; winner vs. #3 Washington
- #12 James Madison at #5 Georgia; winner vs. #4 Alabama
Hmmmm....
I guess in 2024 James Madison would be a full FBS member but I believe in 2023 JMU still has one transition year left and is not bowl Elligible in 2023 unless not enough teams qualify to be bowl Elligible.
Also there is that whole weird question of what happens to the 12-team playoff in 2024 if the PAC disappears and WSU and Ore St end up in the MWC/PAC merger.
You know what, never mind. Forget I asked.
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Massey composite rankings - 93 rankings (last week in parenthesis)
- OHIO STATE (1)
- MICHIGAN (2)
- Florida State (3)
- Texas (5)
- Washington (6)
- Oregon (10)
- Alabama (7)
- Georgia (9)
- PENN STATE (8)
- Oklahoma (4)
- Notre Dame (12)
- Ole Miss (11)
- LSU (13)
- Kansas State (16)
- Louisville (24)
- Missouri (17)
- Oregon State (14)
- Utah (15)
- USC (23)
- Tennessee (25)
- Air Force (20)
- UCLA (22)
- James Madison (19)
- Kansas (-)
- IOWA (-)
- 31. Wisconsin (27)
- 37. Rutgers (39)
- 39. Minnesota (46)
- 45. Nebraska (55)
- 49. Maryland (36)
- 71. Northwestern (86)
- 72. Illinois (72)
- 82. Purdue (74)
- 92. Michigan State (88)
- 100. Indiana (102)
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Last week in parenthesis
- MINNESOTA (8) - that dude was a third string RB?
Fifth string. Brother of Tyler Nubin. Came in as a walk on dback who was converted to RB.
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I'd take him right now.
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does he fumble?
If not, there's a starters spot for him in Lincoln