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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: medinabuckeye1 on October 15, 2023, 04:18:10 PM
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So the three-game B1G-E round-robin Championship begins Saturday in Columbus.
All three will be at noon on Fox, the other two are Michigan at Penn State on Veteran's Day and Ohio State at Michigan on the Saturday of Turkey day weekend.
The winner here isn't a lock and the loser isn't eliminated but the winner controls their own destiny and is obviously in a much better situation than the loser who has no margin for error AND needs help.
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Ohio State is favored by 4.5 points early on. My gut says the Buckeyes cover and then some but that may just be a reflex. I don't buy into the Buckeye injury bug thing. Ohio State is talent saturated and their second and third stringers could start most other places. Great opportunity for Penn State to show what they got.
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leaning Ohio State, but it's a toss-up. Ohio State *should* win on paper but, who knows.
I'll go Ohio State- 27, Penn State 24.
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This series goes back more than a century but that is a bit misleading because there was a 40+ year gap between the first game in 1912 and the second in the mid 1950's.
These teams have met 38 times with the Buckeyes holding a 24-14 advantage. That makes Ohio State the Lions' second most frequent opponent among current B1G teams behind only Maryland.
Prior to joining the league Penn State had a 6-2 advantage:
- PSU won the first four in 1912, 1956, 1963, and 1964 all in Columbus.
- tOSU won at home and on the road in 1975/6.
- PSU won in Columbus in 1978, Woody's last season.
- PSU won the only postseason match-up in the Fiesta Bowl at the end if the 1980 season.
Penn State has been much less successful against the Buckeyes since joining the league. I attended the very first league game between tOSU and PSU in Columbus as a freshman on Halloween weekend of 1993. The Buckeyes won that one and have more-or-less dominated the series ever since. Penn State is just 8-22 in league games against Ohio State with a 6-9 record at home and a 2-13 record in Columbus.
Penn State is 1-10 in the last 11 meetings.
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Let's Go Buckeyes!!!!
I'm also going with a toss up game, with The Shoe being the difference for the good guys to squeak out a victory.
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that's my feeling
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I am predicting a double digit win for PSU.
PSU 31, OSU 17
PSU scored 30+ on WV, ILL, Iowa, NW. They should be able to do the same on OSU.
OSU scored 23 on Ind and 17 on ND. I expect then to score about 17 on PSU.
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I guess it could happen, but I think that Maryland and Notre Dame both have better offenses than Penn State and were both held under 20. Penn State has by far the best defense the Buckeyes will face, while on the other side I think the Buckeye offense is competent enough to not let the defense get totally gassed like Iowa did in the 2nd half of their game.
I don't think either team will reach 30. I'm expecting a 24-20 type of ball game, and it's definitely a toss up.
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That 1912 noncon was Penn State, Michigan and Michigan State. It was a B1G East schedule, back when none of them were in the Big Ten
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Penn State is 1-10 in the last 11 meetings.
Serves them right for allowing Rolling Rock to leave the state.It's seems like crap Mexican Beer now - nothing like what was produced from glass lined tanks of Old Latrobe
(https://i.imgur.com/vZX4siP.png)
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Coin flip.
There is one injury that will impact for OSU, in my opinion.
Their lockdown corner- status unknown. ( Denzel Burke- having a GREAT season)
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Penn State is 1-10 in the last 11 meetings.
I don't see that getting any better for the Lions this time, barring key injuries or crazy turnovers. I've got OSU by 10.
But, I'm wrong a lot.
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Lions DEs Isaac & Robinson could create some problems for 1st yr Buckeye tackles.They are pretty deep there along with Lions LBs appear pretty stout also. Should be a good close contest,not sure how Allar from down the road in Medina has been playing. I think we have a poster around here who is from there
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I think we have a poster around here who is from there
Yeah, we do.
I watched him play in HS and wish he'd gone to Columbus.
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Yeah, we do.
I watched him play in HS and wish he'd gone to Columbus.
Ya I was kind of hoping to but ya can't get them all
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I’m cautiously optimistic that the real good guys ( the ones in white) will pull this one out.
Both teams have been slow out of the blocks on offense. Whichever one gets going first wins.
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I attended the very first league game between tOSU and PSU in Columbus as a freshman on Halloween weekend of 1993. The Buckeyes won that one and have more-or-less dominated the series ever since.
You are a young Buck(eye). That said, I appreciate your references to history.
This Penn State team is loaded. QB Drew Allar is young, but he is damned good. He tossed 4 TDs on Iowa's damned good defense.
Ohio Stadium is a house of horrors. Penn State has been somewhat turnover prone. If Penn State controls its turnovers, lookout Ohio State. Penn State whipped Iowa. Iowa is offenseless, but still -- Penn State administered a whipping on Iowa's defense, too.
Ohio State is not great on offense. Ohio State has a defense as good as Iowa's. I see this coming down to turnovers, penalties, and weird special teams plays. I am thinking Penn State wins.
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Good Post except for the last sentence
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You are a young Buck(eye). That said, I appreciate your references to history.
This Penn State team is loaded. QB Drew Allar is young, but he is damned good. He tossed 4 TDs on Iowa's damned good defense.
Ohio Stadium is a house of horrors. Penn State has been somewhat turnover prone. If Penn State controls its turnovers, lookout Ohio State. Penn State whipped Iowa. Iowa is offenseless, but still -- Penn State administered a whipping on Iowa's defense, too.
Ohio State is not great on offense. Ohio State has a defense as good as Iowa's. I see this coming down to turnovers, penalties, and weird special teams plays. I am thinking Penn State wins.
While I don’t disagree with your conclusion ( game is a coin flip to me), you mentioned that “ OSU is not good on offense”.
they are number 1 in the conference in total offense.
PSU is number 1 in total defense in the country and Ohio State is number seven.
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/21
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One thing I noticed a bit against Maryland and a lot against Purdue was McCord dropping back too far. That makes things pretty difficult on his tackles. He got away with it, but he might get punished by PSU
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You are a young Buck(eye). That said, I appreciate your references to history.
Not long ago I called @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) young. He liked it since he is ~40. I'm almost 50 so being called young isn't very common for me.
While I don’t disagree with your conclusion ( game is a coin flip to me), you mentioned that “ OSU is not good on offense”.
they are number 1 in the conference in total offense.
PSU is number 1 in total defense in the country and Ohio State is number seven.
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/21
I continue to believe that Ohio State's offense has an extremely high upside/ceiling/potential.
They haven't been great and they've looked downright awful at times, but their flashes of brilliance have been extremely bright. Two examples:
Right before the winning TD at Notre Dame:
It was third and 19 and this was one of the toughest third down conversion I've ever seen. Complications:
- It was long at 19 yards.
- The offense had no deep threat because the line to gain was close to the goal line.
- Time was running out and the offense had no timeouts so the middle of the field short of the line to gain was unavailable.
That is a REALLY tough conversion. Ohio State picked it up.
The turning point in the Maryland game:
Ohio State was up three but ended up in a Second and 33.
I've been watching Ohio State for decades and frankly under Earl Bruce, John Cooper, or Jim Tressel a second and 33 was a good opportunity to step away for a minute. Under those guys the Buckeyes would most likely have run a few times to try to improve field position then punted to play defense.
Honestly, in the whole history of college football, what percentage of second and 30+ situations do you think have been converted? I'd guess <10%.
Ohio State picked that up all on one play.
I'm not sure what tOSU offense will show up on Saturday. If it is the "Pound round pegs into square holes" version the Lions will stifle it. If it is the offense that is capable of achieving ridiculous things like the two examples above, nobody in CFB has a defense that can stop them.
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The schedule strength has been similar. Ohio State's two best opponents are Notre Dame and Maryland. Penn State has faced Iowa and West Virginia.
Strength vs. Strength
Penn State has the best cornerback in the B1G, and the overall best pass defense in the country.
Ohio State has the best wide receiver in the country, and the best passing offense in the conference.
Something has got to give here.
Weakness vs. Strength
Penn State leads the B1G in sacks allowed, only allowing 6 so far YTD.
Ohio State has only sacked their opponents 10 times this season, good for 13th in the B1G.
Penn State leads the B1G in sacks, Ohio State is in the middle of the B1G as far as sacks allowed.
Ohio State's rush defense per play is fourth in the conference, while PSU's rush offense per play is also fourth. HOWEVER, a look beyond the stats will show that much of Penn State's rushing yardage came in the fourth quarter of blowout games, and much of it came via the second string QB. Penn State has been able to grind out yards, but they have not been able to run for large chunks of yards.
I don't really see anywhere else that either team has a distinct advantage.
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Key to the game:
Ohio State's pass defense has been quite good, while PSU's passing offense has been average. However, while PSU doesn't often hit big plays, they are quite successful at taking what the defense gives them. Penn State's number two receiver has returned, and their tight ends have been great all year. How well does OSU defend pass catching tight ends? PSU has already faced Iowa and had success. Has OSU faced anyone of PSU's caliber?
If PSU has moderate success throwing the ball, I think they will win.
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Other factors:
If OSU's offensive* line can give their wide receivers time to get open, AND those receivers can get open against the best secondary they will face this year, AND Ryan Day decides to pass the ball...
OSU is talented enough they can certainly get some big plays. PSU is vulnerable to big plays thanks to their attacking defensive style.
Penn State's kicking game is looking weaker than normal. Ohio State's looks good. This could be the deciding factor in a slug fest.
PSU's rush defense may look incredible statistically, but that is largely driven by the 27 sacks they've had so far this year. They have been GOOD, but are still vulnerable to a power running game up the middle.
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I also want to @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) to comment on this one. He's better than any talking head on ESPN or elsewhere!
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The schedule strength has been similar. Ohio State's two best opponents are Notre Dame and Maryland. Penn State has faced Iowa and West Virginia.
Strength vs. Strength
Penn State has the best cornerback in the B1G, and the overall best pass defense in the country.
Ohio State has the best wide receiver in the country, and the best passing offense in the conference.
Something has got to give here.
Weakness vs. Strength
Penn State leads the B1G in sacks allowed, only allowing 6 so far YTD.
Ohio State has only sacked their opponents 10 times this season, good for 13th in the B1G.
Penn State leads the B1G in sacks, Ohio State is in the middle of the B1G as far as sacks allowed.
Ohio State's rush defense per play is fourth in the conference, while PSU's rush offense per play is also fourth. HOWEVER, a look beyond the stats will show that much of Penn State's rushing yardage came in the fourth quarter of blowout games, and much of it came via the second string QB. Penn State has been able to grind out yards, but they have not been able to run for large chunks of yards.
I don't really see anywhere else that either team has a distinct advantage.
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Key to the game:
Ohio State's pass defense has been quite good, while PSU's passing offense has been average. However, while PSU doesn't often hit big plays, they are quite successful at taking what the defense gives them. Penn State's number two receiver has returned, and their tight ends have been great all year. How well does OSU defend pass catching tight ends? PSU has already faced Iowa and had success. Has OSU faced anyone of PSU's caliber?
If PSU has moderate success throwing the ball, I think they will win.
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Other factors:
If OSU's offensive* line can give their wide receivers time to get open, AND those receivers can get open against the best secondary they will face this year, AND Ryan Day decides to pass the ball...
OSU is talented enough they can certainly get some big plays. PSU is vulnerable to big plays thanks to their attacking defensive style.
Penn State's kicking game is looking weaker than normal. Ohio State's looks good. This could be the deciding factor in a slug fest.
PSU's rush defense may look incredible statistically, but that is largely driven by the 27 sacks they've had so far this year. They have been GOOD, but are still vulnerable to a power running game up the middle.
Good thoughts. If Denzel Burke does not play for Ohio State I think that makes Penn State’s path much easier
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I also want to @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) to comment on this one. He's better than any talking head on ESPN or elsewhere!
Agreed.
He's a busy man these days.
I (we) miss his preseason rankings and weekly breakdowns, but I (we) get why.
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Over my lunchbreak I watched the College Football Nerds preview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gTp55smdlE). They both picked PSU but both by pretty close scores and both were hesitant due to some interesting oddities in their model.
If you aren't familiar with their model, they compare yards per play gained and allowed on both passing and rushing plays to the average allowed/gained by the opponent. Ie, if you rush for 6 YPC against a D that typically allows 4 YPC, that is great, 50% over the average. Conversely, if you rush for 6 YPC against a D that typically allows 8 YPC, that is terrible, 25% below the average. The same theory applies to passing yards per attempt and to both rushing and passing yards per play allowed defensively.
What I found interesting is that they predicted that tOSU would gain considerably more yards per play and have more yards in the game but that PSU would win anyway because PSU's offense has been a LOT more efficient than tOSU's.
More specifically they predicted that both rushing offenses would be ineffective. Ohio State's was slightly worse at 2.7 YPC but PSU's 2.9 is only marginally better and both of those figures are BAD. Also the 0.2 YPC difference is basically irrelevant. To put it in perspective, on 30 carries each, that would suggest 81 yards for tOSU and 87 yards for PSU. Both of those are obviously terrible.
Where Ohio State had a significant advantage is in passing YPA. PSU was around 5 YPA predicted while tOSU was around 6.5 YPA predicted. Both of those figures are bad but not quite as bad as the rushing figures and the difference is much more pronounced. Assuming 30 passing attempts each, that suggests about 150 yards for PSU and around 195 yards for Ohio State.
The problem for Ohio State is that they throw away WAY too many yards. Both nerds thought or at least considered it not unlikely that tOSU would have more scoring opportunities but that PSU would get more points out of the scoring opportunities that they do get.
I think that is not an unlikely outcome.
The most likely thing to change that, IMHO, would be for either McCord or Allar to have either a really bad or a really good game. I think this game is close enough that any of those four things would decide the game unless it is matched by the other QB.
A second thing that I think could matter a LOT is whether or not Henderson is available and full strength for the Buckeyes. IMHO, Henderson is MUCH more likely than any of Ohio State's other RB's to break a long run. The stats from the ND game illustrate this perfectly. For that game tOSU had 27 carries for 126 yards for a respectable 4.7 YPC. However, that was really all about Henderson hitting a Home Run from the tOSU 39 yard line. With that ONE rush excluded from tOSU's total, they had 26 carries for 65 yards which is a pathetic 2.5 YPC. I see this game being close enough that a run like that could be the difference. If Ohio State has 19 carries for 51 yards (2.7 YPC, see above) but Henderson breaks one for 60+ that would total 20 carries for 111+ yards (5.5+ YPC).
The final thing that I see as crucial is explosive plays and this could go either way:
- PSU has been great at generating explosive plays defensively but terrible at generating explosive plays offensively.
- tOSU has been great at generating explosive plays offensively but terrible at generating explosive plays defensively.
Based on the above, you are most likely to see explosive plays when Ohio State's offense is on the field. How many go each way and just how explosive they are will likely decide the game. PSU is going to get some pressure and some sacks but sacks aren't necessarily fatal if there aren't too many of them. Similarly, tOSU is going to hit some longer passes but giving up a few long passes isn't necessarily fatal either. Either team can overcome that if they are a limited number of sacks that just result in punts or long passes that just result in another set of downs or a FG.
Where it likely becomes decisive is if tOSU gives up 2+ strip sacks or if PSU gives up 2+ long TD passes.
Another thing the nerds said in tOSU's favor is that tOSU has probably played their best ball in the last six quarters.
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I think the OSU injury problems at RB might be a blessing in disguise if it forces OSU to pass more than they want to
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I think the OSU injury problems at RB might be a blessing in disguise if it forces OSU to pass more than they want to
agreed. Marvin Harrison Jr is the best player in college football. Just throw him the damn ball 15 times a game and he's going to make crazy catches and big plays.
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I'd go 20+ times a game
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Over my lunchbreak I watched the College Football Nerds preview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gTp55smdlE). They both picked PSU but both by pretty close scores and both were hesitant due to some interesting oddities in their model.
If you aren't familiar with their model, they compare yards per play gained and allowed on both passing and rushing plays to the average allowed/gained by the opponent. Ie, if you rush for 6 YPC against a D that typically allows 4 YPC, that is great, 50% over the average. Conversely, if you rush for 6 YPC against a D that typically allows 8 YPC, that is terrible, 25% below the average. The same theory applies to passing yards per attempt and to both rushing and passing yards per play allowed defensively.
What I found interesting is that they predicted that tOSU would gain considerably more yards per play and have more yards in the game but that PSU would win anyway because PSU's offense has been a LOT more efficient than tOSU's.
More specifically they predicted that both rushing offenses would be ineffective. Ohio State's was slightly worse at 2.7 YPC but PSU's 2.9 is only marginally better and both of those figures are BAD. Also the 0.2 YPC difference is basically irrelevant. To put it in perspective, on 30 carries each, that would suggest 81 yards for tOSU and 87 yards for PSU. Both of those are obviously terrible.
Where Ohio State had a significant advantage is in passing YPA. PSU was around 5 YPA predicted while tOSU was around 6.5 YPA predicted. Both of those figures are bad but not quite as bad as the rushing figures and the difference is much more pronounced. Assuming 30 passing attempts each, that suggests about 150 yards for PSU and around 195 yards for Ohio State.
The problem for Ohio State is that they throw away WAY too many yards. Both nerds thought or at least considered it not unlikely that tOSU would have more scoring opportunities but that PSU would get more points out of the scoring opportunities that they do get.
I think that is not an unlikely outcome.
The most likely thing to change that, IMHO, would be for either McCord or Allar to have either a really bad or a really good game. I think this game is close enough that any of those four things would decide the game unless it is matched by the other QB.
A second thing that I think could matter a LOT is whether or not Henderson is available and full strength for the Buckeyes. IMHO, Henderson is MUCH more likely than any of Ohio State's other RB's to break a long run. The stats from the ND game illustrate this perfectly. For that game tOSU had 27 carries for 126 yards for a respectable 4.7 YPC. However, that was really all about Henderson hitting a Home Run from the tOSU 39 yard line. With that ONE rush excluded from tOSU's total, they had 26 carries for 65 yards which is a pathetic 2.5 YPC. I see this game being close enough that a run like that could be the difference. If Ohio State has 19 carries for 51 yards (2.7 YPC, see above) but Henderson breaks one for 60+ that would total 20 carries for 111+ yards (5.5+ YPC).
The final thing that I see as crucial is explosive plays and this could go either way:
- PSU has been great at generating explosive plays defensively but terrible at generating explosive plays offensively.
- tOSU has been great at generating explosive plays offensively but terrible at generating explosive plays defensively.
Based on the above, you are most likely to see explosive plays when Ohio State's offense is on the field. How many go each way and just how explosive they are will likely decide the game. PSU is going to get some pressure and some sacks but sacks aren't necessarily fatal if there aren't too many of them. Similarly, tOSU is going to hit some longer passes but giving up a few long passes isn't necessarily fatal either. Either team can overcome that if they are a limited number of sacks that just result in punts or long passes that just result in another set of downs or a FG.
Where it likely becomes decisive is if tOSU gives up 2+ strip sacks or if PSU gives up 2+ long TD passes.
Another thing the nerds said in tOSU's favor is that tOSU has probably played their best ball in the last six quarters.
I mean the nerds are OK, but I do have my issues with them.
For instance, they adjust team yards per play based on their opponents, which is great. Then they throw that logic out the window when it comes to comparing QBs. Opponents matter. The quality of your receivers matter. Drops matter. OLine matters. Etc.
Adjust rushing stats to reflect the actual running game—- why don’t they adjust for QB sacks, kneel downs, etc?
frankly, as a data guy, I’m not that impressed with their data skills. Better than most, but not quite up to my nerd standards.
I suppose the model is good for a quick and dirty comparison of 120+ teams.
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Posted without comment:
https://theathletic.com/4968112/2023/10/17/penn-state-ohio-state-scouting-preview/
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Strength vs. Strength
Penn State has the best cornerback in the B1G
he's really dang good, but Will Johnson is better.
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my hot take: I don't see Penn State being very successful in moving the ball and scoring points on a really good Ohio State defense. Penn State has been really bad at creating explosive plays- I believe worst in P5 right now- and they are pretty meh at WR and Drew Allar is still basically a 19 year old rookie and not a seasoned vet who has his highs and lows. Don't see them being able to consistently sustain drives and march down the field and score TD's on the road vs a really good Ohio State defense. They'll need to generate explosive plays to beat Ohio State- and well- they don't do that very well.
Ohio State has the best player in college football in Marv and if Henderson is healthy they have a guy who can hit the home run at RB. They should be able to score more points and generate more big plays at home vs Penn State D than Penn State O will vs Ohio State D. That plus the James Franklin factor should give Ohio State the W imo. Franklin is bound to mismanage the clock and critical in-game situations which tilts the game to the other team- it's just what he does in big games.
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I think @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) is basically saying something similar to what I am saying which is that Ohio State's best chance is big plays.
I could see a scenario in which PSU's D more-or-less stifles tOSU's offense except for three plays. However, if those three plays go for 180 yards and three TD's, I could see tOSU winning 21-17.
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Considered going to this game. Not doing it, but a little conflicted.
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he's really dang good, but Will Johnson is better.
Splitting hairs Johnson benefits from prolly more help around him
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Splitting hairs Johnson benefits from prolly more help around him
nah. it's pretty simple really. 6'3" CB with long arms that can turn his hips and run with WRs typically beats 5'10.5".
Will Johnson is a mutant as far as CB's go.
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It's funny that people complain about PSU not having enough big plays while they're averaging 44 points per game.
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It's funny that people complain about PSU not having enough big plays while they're averaging 44 points per game.
against an ass schedule that the bald penis James Franklin has been actively trying to run up the score on. 126 of Penn State's points this season were vs a bad FCS team and the worst team in the FBS in UMass. People talk bad about Michigan's schedule, and rightfully so. Penn State's schedule is just as laughingly pathetic.
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UM isn't averaging 44 pts per game.
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James Franklin is a bald penis, not sure I’ve seen that before.
Little confidence Penn State can win, but here’s to hoping.
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James Franklin is a bald penis, not sure I’ve seen that before.
Little confidence Penn State can win, but here’s to hoping.
sorry, I just don't like the guy. what can i say? I respect Penn State's program, university, and they have great fans- really some of the better fans in this conference at least imo- but man did I say I really do not like James Franklin.
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James Franklin is a bald penis, not sure I’ve seen that before.
Little confidence Penn State can win, but here’s to hoping.
Penn State has a very good shot at beating the Buckeyes despite Franklin being a bald penis versus a hairy penis like Day.
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nah. it's pretty simple really. 6'3" CB with long arms that can turn his hips and run with WRs typically beats 5'10.5".
Will Johnson is a mutant as far as CB's go.
off your knees hell Wallace was rated higher by PFF and King's a rojected 1st rd pick. Neither Johnson or King however were in PFFs top 5 BIG CBs
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UM isn't averaging 44 pts per game.
Oh no they're averaging 39.5, a tick under 40! Boooo. Hey at the very least they can generate explosive plays, right?
things to consider....Michigan was without it's head coach for it's first 3 creampuff All-G5 OOC games and it's OC for 1 of said creampuff All-G5 OOC games. Jeem and his staff also don't actively try to run up the score (unlike the bald penis at PSU), Jeem is pretty conservative when he gets a lead he'll sit on it and pull guys early and stops trying to hit the big plays. And as their schedule has gotten tougher vs B1G teams they've been averaging 45 PPG thru 4 in-conference games, 2 of which have been on the road. 12 PPG- almost 2 TD's more than what they averaged vs a sisters of the poor All-G5 OOC slate.
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Penn State has a very good shot at beating the Buckeyes despite Franklin being a bald penis versus a hairy penis like Day.
agreed. Penn State is a very good team. hard to win a game on the road in this conference however.
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off your knees hell Wallace was rated higher by PFF and King's a rojected 1st rd pick. Neither however were in PFFs top 5 BIG CB
cool. PFF had Will Johnson as the highest rated CB in man coverage in 2022 in the entire FBS (as a true freshman) and said if he was draft eligible he would've been a top 10 draft pick in the 2023 draft.
Rivals had Will Johnson ranked as the 5th best player in the country and the #1 CB recruit in 2022.
6'3" CB's with long arms that can turn their hips and run, cover, tackle, and have elite ball skills do not grow on trees my friend. Why do you think Sauce Gardner was a top 5 pick and is already one of the 2 or 3 best CB's in the entire NFL?
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but man did I say I really do not like James Franklin.
I'm sure that keeps him awake at night he can recruit. And had booger's brother not helped him out not a lot seperates them. IMO PSU will get back to the top sometime - even if for a brief stay
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interesting stats on missed tackle rate, Penn State's LB's and secondary have been missing a lot of tackles- 21% for LB's and 16% for Secondary, which in turns means Ohio State's offense could be primed for a big play. miss a tackle on Henderson or Marv and that thing could go for 6....
https://twitter.com/jrs_rankings/status/1714663782658523141?s=20
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cool. PFF had Will Johnson as the highest rated CB in man coverage in 2022 in the entire FBS (as a true freshman) and said if he was draft eligible he would've been a top 10 draft pick in the 2023 draft.
Rivals had Will Johnson ranked as the 5th best player in the country and the #1 CB recruit in 2022.
Had being the key word This week https://sports.yahoo.com/top-five-defensive-backs-big-131757892.html
Why can't they both be good?Oh that's right one's a Wolverine
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HAd being the key word This week https://sports.yahoo.com/top-five-defensive-backs-big-131757892.html
Why can't they both be good?Oh that's right one's a Wolverine
they both are good. I've said as much. I just think King happens to be a little overhyped and he's just flat out not as good as Will Johnson- who is the best CB in this conference and the best CB in college football.
Will Johnson missed the first 3 games of the season with injury and has just been getting his legs back from under him and back into football shape. He's been playing at a very high level the past 3 weeks. Kid is a mutant create-a-player CB.
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against an ass schedule that the bald penis James Franklin has been actively trying to run up the score on. 126 of Penn State's points this season were vs a bad FCS team and the worst team in the FBS in UMass. People talk bad about Michigan's schedule, and rightfully so. Penn State's schedule is just as laughingly pathetic.
Penn State has beaten the probable west champion by a score of 31-0, and a pretty good WVU team.
Michigan has beaten...Rutgers?
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Wonder WTF happened with PFF - look at their CFB ranking for this week. They have either went woke,been hacked or simply went in the shitter
https://wolverineswire.usatoday.com/lists/ranking-2023-college-football-top-10-teams-by-pff-grade-through-week-7/
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they both are good. I've said as much. I just think King happens to be a little overhyped and he's just flat out not as good as Will Johnson- who is the best CB in this conference and the best CB in college football.
According to you
against an ass schedule that the bald penis James Franklin has been actively trying to run up the score on.
Your off your meds Michigan has played the easiest schedule in the big. They are good but that is a blinded homer remark
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Penn State has beaten the probable west champion by a score of 31-0, and a pretty good WVU team.
Michigan has beaten...Rutgers?
West Virginia is pretty good? That's news to me. West Virginia is 3-2 vs non-FCS teams- so yeah they are probably OK at best- not sure about "pretty good". Who were the other two PSU OOC games? FCS-Delaware and UMAss. *Vomit*. A crappy FCS team and the worst team in FBS. Those two are even weaker games than any of Michigan's shitbag creampuff G5 OOC slate. You want a cookie for beating a pretty bleh West Virginia team OOC by 23 in which the bald penis ran up the score instead of taking a knee, ok. I guess I'll give you a cookie for that....can't deny it's better than any OOC W that Michigan has, at least it was vs a middling P5 team.
And Michigan would beat Iowa just as bad. Iowa literally cannot move the football- they have by far the worst offense in all of college football and it's not really close.
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Wonder WTF happened with PFF - look at their CFB ranking for this week. They have either went woke,been hacked or simply went in the shitter
https://wolverineswire.usatoday.com/lists/ranking-2023-college-football-top-10-teams-by-pff-grade-through-week-7/
I would love to see how many times Kalen King has been targeted. I've seen a few posters claim his targets are at historical lows.
Ideally Kalen King is matched up against Marvin Harrison and that continues. Marvin Harrison is just scary. If he gets a lot of touches I think PSU will lose the game.
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Michigan's schedule has been a cake walk. Penn State has played a harder schedule than Michigan. Ohio State's schedule has been harder than both Michigan and Penn State. Trying to decide who's schedule was harder, Penn State's or Michigan's, is like trying to decide if you'de rather look at Rep. Tlaib's face or butt.
Anyway, I'm somewhat anxious about Michigan's lack of adversity and competition, especially late in the games. Yes, it's nice to get the bench so much playing time but how will that impact Michigan's ability to hang tough for 4+ quarters? I'd be a little more comfortable if Michigan played through a 4th quarter fist fight. Maybe this Saturday? Sparty always plays Michigan tough.
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West Virginia is pretty good? That's news to me. West Virginia is 3-2 vs non-FCS teams- so yeah they are probably OK at best- not sure about "pretty good". Who were the other two PSU OOC games? FCS-Delaware and UMAss. *Vomit*. A crappy FCS team and the worst team in FBS. Those two are even weaker games than any of Michigan's shitbag creampuff G5 OOC slate. You want a cookie for beating a pretty bleh West Virginia team OOC by 23 in which the bald penis ran up the score instead of taking a knee, ok. I guess I'll give you a cookie for that....can't deny it's better than any OOC W that Michigan has, at least it was vs a middling P5 team.
And Michigan would beat Iowa just as bad. Iowa literally cannot move the football- they have by far the worst offense in all of college football and it's not really close.
Well we might get to see it.
Penn State was able to take what the Iowa defense gave them and move the ball consistently. There weren't any big offensive plays that I can remember. In years past Penn State lived and died by the explosive play. They were also unable to grind out yards to drain the clock when they needed to. (See practically every PSU-OSU game of the last 10 years) This year's offense has been different.
Obviously I'd love to see some big explosive plays on offense, but PSU's performance against one of the best defenses in the country was impressive in its own right.
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Michigan's schedule has been a cake walk. Penn State has played a harder schedule than Michigan. Ohio State's schedule has been harder than both Michigan and Penn State. Somewhat anxious about Michigan's lack of adversity and competition, especially late in the games.
Well M should go late into the season relatively healthy and they are still the fav no doubt they didn't make the schedule.Just silly Mdots weak schedule remark was my point.
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I would love to see how many times Kalen King has been targeted. I've seen a few posters claim his targets are at historical lows.
Ideally Kalen King is matched up against Marvin Harrison and that continues. Marvin Harrison is just scary. If he gets a lot of touches I think PSU will lose the game.
According to this, King has only been targeted 18 times so far this season.
https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2023/10/kalen-king-vs-marvin-harrison-jr-in-rematch-of-future-first-rounders-penn-state-vs-ohio-state-preview.html
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Well we might get to see it.
Penn State was able to take what the Iowa defense gave them and move the ball consistently. There weren't any big offensive plays that I can remember. In years past Penn State lived and died by the explosive play. They were also unable to grind out yards to drain the clock when they needed to. (See practically every PSU-OSU game of the last 10 years) This year's offense has been different.
Obviously I'd love to see some big explosive plays on offense, but PSU's performance against one of the best defenses in the country was impressive in its own right.
The play calling was perfect - the direct opposite of what we saw against Iowa last week.
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Michigan's schedule has been a cake walk. Penn State has played a harder schedule than Michigan. Ohio State's schedule has been harder than both Michigan and Penn State. Trying to decide who's schedule was harder, Penn State's or Michigan's, is like trying to decide if you'de rather look at Rep. Tlaib's face or butt.
Anyway, I'm somewhat anxious about Michigan's lack of adversity and competition, especially late in the games. Yes, it's nice to get the bench so much playing time but how will that impact Michigan's ability to hang tough for 4+ quarters? I'd be a little more comfortable if Michigan played through a 4th quarter fist fight. Maybe this Saturday? Sparty always plays Michigan tough.
Made my day! ( and not the football part)
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West Virginia is pretty good? That's news to me. West Virginia is 3-2 vs non-FCS teams- so yeah they are probably OK at best- not sure about "pretty good". Who were the other two PSU OOC games? FCS-Delaware and UMAss. *Vomit*. A crappy FCS team and the worst team in FBS. Those two are even weaker games than any of Michigan's shitbag creampuff G5 OOC slate. You want a cookie for beating a pretty bleh West Virginia team OOC by 23 in which the bald penis ran up the score instead of taking a knee, ok. I guess I'll give you a cookie for that....can't deny it's better than any OOC W that Michigan has, at least it was vs a middling P5 team.
And Michigan would beat Iowa just as bad. Iowa literally cannot move the football- they have by far the worst offense in all of college football and it's not really close.
Yes.
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According to this, King has only been targeted 18 times so far this season.
https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2023/10/kalen-king-vs-marvin-harrison-jr-in-rematch-of-future-first-rounders-penn-state-vs-ohio-state-preview.html
Will Johnson is going through the same thing right now. Why target the best CB on the field when you can go at the other guys. Offenses will just avoid King and go at the other guys because it's a better matchup with a higher chance for success.
Marv is a different animal. They'll go to him no matter who is covering him. I'd hope that Penn State DC would say we're going to have King on Marv 24/7 and let him travel. That is what everyone wants to see.
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According to this, King has only been targeted 18 times so far this season.
Means the opponents have been throwing away from him
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The play calling was perfect - the direct opposite of what we saw against Iowa last week.
I REALLY like Penn State's Offensive Coordinator. Play calling is one of his strengths, for sure.
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Michigan's schedule has been a cake walk. Penn State has played a harder schedule than Michigan. Ohio State's schedule has been harder than both Michigan and Penn State. Trying to decide who's schedule was harder, Penn State's or Michigan's, is like trying to decide if you'de rather look at Rep. Tlaib's face or butt.
Anyway, I'm somewhat anxious about Michigan's lack of adversity and competition, especially late in the games. Yes, it's nice to get the bench so much playing time but how will that impact Michigan's ability to hang tough for 4+ quarters? I'd be a little more comfortable if Michigan played through a 4th quarter fist fight. Maybe this Saturday? Sparty always plays Michigan tough.
OOC is what it is- a joke. Indiana definitely sucks ass and Minnesota probably does too, but I don't think Nebraska or Rutgers are that bad to be honest. Rutgers could be one of the most improved teams in the B1G from where they were a season ago and will likely go bowling imo- which is quite a turn around because they were truly awful last year.
Nebraska just blanked Illinois 20-7 in their last game- an Illinois team that just fresh off a Maryland win on the road- and they were right there in it for about 3 QTRs vs Colorado until Jeff Sims just kept turning it over and giving the game away and eventually their backs broke on defense and the flood gates opened and Colorado was able to run away. They had Minnesota beat on the road at night in the season/B1G opener until Jeff Sims gave that game away as well. They should be 4-2 right now for sure- they had Minnesota beat and Sims blew the game- and they were hanging in with Colorado- who knows maybe had Haarberg gotten all the 1 reps in fall camp and been the starter since game 1 and they didn't go with the failed Jeff Sims experiment they might be 4-2 or 5-1 right now.
If Michigan was a young team- I'd have questions about the lack of adversity and competition and no 4th QTR dogfights- but this is a very experienced veteran team- there are very few young guys playing major roles on it. How many 1st or 2nd year players are actually getting lot of minutes? Mason Graham, Will Johnson, Kenneth Grant, Derrick Moore, Keon Sabb, Ernest Hausmann, and that's basically it.
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I REALLY like Penn State's Offensive Coordinator. Play calling is one of his strengths, for sure.
Not familiar with him,I remember Morehead when he was there for a cup of coffee,he seemed creative. He's at Akron now
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I REALLY like Penn State's Offensive Coordinator. Play calling is one of his strengths, for sure.
I do too, and it's funny how things happen.
Leaves oSu after 5-6 years, goes to tOSU for 1 year. Then goes to Texas, Herman gets whacked, and he falls into Franklin's lap.
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Not familiar with him,I remember Morehead when he was there for a cup of coffee,he seemed creative. He's at Akron now
Sarcasm?
He was at an OSU in 2019....
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I do too, and it's funny how things happen.
Leaves oSu after 5-6 years, goes to tOSU for 1 year. Then goes to Texas, Herman gets whacked, and he falls into Franklin's lap.
Franklin actually fired Ciarrocca after just one year to get the guy. It's not that Ciarrocca was a bad coach, just that Yurcich is THAT good.
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I've decided to call this the We-both-want-to-prove-to-Michigan-that-we-ain't-skeered Bowl.
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You gonna print t-shirts?
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I've decided to call this the We-both-want-to-prove-to-Michigan-that-we-ain't-skeered Bowl.
I'm doing pretty well. Only got sucked into the "Michigan has just as tough a schedule as Penn State" thing.
I like PSU's chances in this one, but I'm still scared of Michigan.
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I'm doing pretty well. Only got sucked into the "Michigan has just as tough a schedule as Penn State" thing.
I like PSU's chances in this one, but I'm still scared of Michigan.
Some observations on this, my thoughts:
- I think this game is a toss-up. Either team can win. Even if you feel that tOSU or PSU is better, I think we would pretty much all agree that the weaker team isn't THAT much weaker and could win either by having a great day or by the stronger team having a bad day.
- Irrespective of who wins on Saturday, Michigan *appears* to be the strongest of the three.
- Because of #2, the winner (either way) should still be concerned about their upcoming game against Michigan.
- It is HIGHLY unlikely that Michigan could win the three-way tiebreaker in the event that tOSU/PSU/M all go 11-1. Either tOSU or PSU would win that. Therefore, the loser of this game has to hope that in the event that they lose to Michigan, the team that just lost to them in this game needs to beat Michigan.
- The downside here is potentially severe. The third-highest ranked team in the Pac is #12 OrSU and they are still very much in the PAC race. The third-highest ranked team in the SEC is #13, second in the SEC-W, and very much in the SEC race. The third highest-ranked team in the ACC is #16 Dook. The third-highest ranked team in the B12 is unranked. The loser of this game is probably a top-10 team and yet probably the third best team in their own division.
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Day better change up his team’s signs. The deep internet has documented unmarked manilla envelopes being delivered this week to Franklin from Ann Arbor
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Day better change up his team’s signs. The deep internet has documented unmarked manilla envelopes being delivered this week to Franklin from Ann Arbor
Typical Michigan man. Your team gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar, again, and you want to blame someone else.
I think you’re looking in the wrong place though.
https://twitter.com/B1Gfootball/status/1715050264137175482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1715050264137175482%7Ctwgr%5Ec0f991ead9554c97335e7ff62c125c9fad652742%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.elevenwarriors.com%2Fskull-sessions%2F2023%2F10%2F141840%2Fskull-session-the-ncaa-accuses-michigan-of-sign-stealing-ohio-state-sees-penn-state-as-a-must-win-game-and-james
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Typical Michigan man. Your team gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar, again, and you want to blame someone else.
I think you’re looking in the wrong place though.
https://twitter.com/B1Gfootball/status/1715050264137175482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1715050264137175482%7Ctwgr%5Ec0f991ead9554c97335e7ff62c125c9fad652742%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.elevenwarriors.com%2Fskull-sessions%2F2023%2F10%2F141840%2Fskull-session-the-ncaa-accuses-michigan-of-sign-stealing-ohio-state-sees-penn-state-as-a-must-win-game-and-james
Drama
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Drama
Michigan drama.
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I remember a few years ago the PSU players said that the Michigan defense was calling out PSU's offensive plays before they happened.
At the time I just figured maybe PSU's offense was getting predictable. But now....
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I remember a few years ago the PSU players said that the Michigan defense was calling out PSU's offensive plays before they happened.
At the time I just figured maybe PSU's offense was getting predictable. But now....
Ryan Day’s fault. 😂😂😂
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Franklin actually fired Ciarrocca after just one year to get the guy. It's not that Ciarrocca was a bad coach, just that Yurcich is THAT good.
I'm surprised his name hasn't been brought up in the MSU search
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Ohio State 24, Penn State 19
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I'm surprised his name hasn't been brought up in the MSU search
bring it up
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I'm surprised his name hasn't been brought up in the MSU search
A couple of years ago the rumors were that he doesn't particularly want to be a head coach at this stage in his career. Maybe he is now.
He was once rumored to be in the running for Central Michigan's head coaching job, so I'm kind of surprised nobody has brought him up.
But I also like it that way. haha
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That's kind of how Narduzzi was. He was perfectly happy being a DC, and wasn't hellbent enough to become a HC, to take a Group of 5 job. Once a P5 HC job came along, he took it
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Ohio State 24, Penn State 19
That's about where I am. I picked OSU to win, but I won't be surprised either way. I think the low score is correct, tho. Both defenses are very good, both offenses have just enough drawbacks to struggle with said defenses. Maybe first team to 20 wins?
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I remember a few years ago the PSU players said that the Michigan defense was calling out PSU's offensive plays before they happened.
At the time I just figured maybe PSU's offense was getting predictable. But now....
Good Post,BTW Hawk > Poz just in case that has slipped your mind
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Sarcasm?
He was at an OSU in 2019....
Really I didn't notice but it was a very hectic autumn and tOSU 1st season under Day.Hell he grew up 30 miles away
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Really I didn't notice but it was a very hectic autumn and tOSU 1st season under Day.Hell he grew up 30 miles away
I believe he was Justin Field's QB coach.
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I never made a prediction, but after looking at things, I like Penn State by two touchdowns. I think OSU is a bit hampered by injuries, and their offensive line does not match up well at all against Penn State’s defensive line.
Granted, a turnover or a big play or two could change everything.
Penn state 28, OSU 13
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I never made a prediction, but after looking at things, I like Penn State by two touchdowns. I think OSU is a bit hampered by injuries, and their offensive line does not match up well at all against Penn State’s defensive line.
Granted, a turnover or a big play or two could change everything.
Penn state 28, OSU 13
I think that's reasonable. If the tackles can't hold up and McCord is under constant pressure, tough to see how OSU scores much.
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Who is out in the backfield?
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Typical Michigan man.
The irony of that coming from an OsU fan.
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I think that's reasonable. If the tackles can't hold up and McCord is under constant pressure, tough to see how OSU scores much.
I think the game boils down to that exact area of the game. When McCord has time, he’s pretty solid. Under pressure is his biggest weakness. Hoping this is the best game of the season so far.
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He was pressured that last drive against ND show showed some grit on the big stage. But this why they play the games. PSU center and Guards don't stink but they are vulnerable and the Buckeye tackles have been having a good year. Don't think it will be a 2 TD game 4-7 pts IMO.Not sure who hopefully McCord can spread it around to Marvin Stover and the rest
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He was pressured that last drive against ND show showed some grit on the big stage. But this why they play the games. PSU center and Guards don't stink but they are vulnerable and the Buckeye tackles have been having a good year. Don't think it will be a 2 TD game 4-7 pts IMO.Not sure who hopefully McCord can spread it around to Marvin Stover and the rest
That’s actually a great point. He did buckle down on that drive when it mattered. That being said, I think he had plenty of time. He just doesn’t throw well on the run imo.
stover is one of the most underrated TE in the nation in my book. McCord should throw to him, Marvin and Egbuka 10 times each per game.
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The irony of that coming from an OsU fan.
Fact.
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My brain picked the Buckeyes to win but my gut thinks the Nitts get the upset. All I can say is that Ohio State better load up more flame than smoke for when they take the field.
Penn State 24
Ohio State. 17
PS. Change your signs!
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I am predicting a double digit win for PSU.
PSU 31, OSU 17
PSU scored 30+ on WV, ILL, Iowa, NW. They should be able to do the same on OSU.
OSU scored 23 on Ind and 17 on ND. I expect then to score about 17 on PSU.
We all have bad picks here and there, but woof. 31 points?
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My brain picked the Buckeyes to win but my gut thinks the Nitts get the upset. All I can say is that Ohio State better load up more flame than smoke for when they take the field.
Penn State 24
Ohio State. 17
PS. Change your signs!
Lock your doors! Everyone is on board with victim blaming...right?!?
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The only thing I felt good about was the under. I don't want to judge Franklin on winning in Columbus. But I will say that if he can't beat the Watergate Wolverines at home, PSU needs to decide what they want to be. He's very good. PSU is a legit top 10 program. I think with divisions going away and the playoff expanding, he has more than earned a chance to see how he fares in the new world
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I don’t know if Allar stinks, the WRs stink, the OL stinks or 3 of them stink.
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I don’t know if Allar stinks, the WRs stink, the OL stinks or 3 of them stink.
As an Ohio State fan, optimistically, I hope that all three are at least as good as we thought and tOSU just made them look that bad but, I kinda doubt it.
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As an Ohio State fan, optimistically, I hope that all three are at least as good as we thought and tOSU just made them look that bad but, I kinda doubt it.
kinda thought their OL was overrated and actually not that good before this one and nothing moved me off that. definitely thought their WRs were mid before and still think that. I THOUGHT that Allar was probably legit and potentially even a top tier QB- but am now questioning that.
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It's funny that people complain about PSU not having enough big plays while they're averaging 44 points per game.
good call....
FYI coming into today Penn State ranked No. 132 of 133 FBS teams in explosive play rate and No. 95 in yards per play.
Drew Allar ranked dead last in the Big Ten in average depth of target.
Today Penn State's offense:
12 points - of which half came on a garbage time touchdown down 2 TD's scored with 20 seconds left in game
240 yards
3.5 yards per play
4.5 yards per pass attempt
1.9 yards per carry
1/16 on third down
Maybe people were onto something in terms of the lack of explosives and poor yards per play avg...
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Penn State averaging 28.5 PPG in B1G play. 26.2 PPG less than what they averaged in OOC play vs WVU, an FCS team, and UMAss.
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Where’s the Harrison Jr. Heisman hype? Now’s the time to fire up the PR machine because he’s that good and has a shot.
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Where’s the Harrison Jr. Heisman hype? Now’s the time to fire up the PR machine because he’s that good and has a shot.
he should be getting that kinda love- but the Heisman typically disrespects WRs. Only a handful have ever been seriously considered and even fewer have actually won- and usually it's guys that also return like Tim Brown/Des
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he should be getting that kinda love- but the Heisman typically disrespects WRs. Only a handful have ever been seriously considered and even fewer have actually won- and usually it's guys that also return like Tim Brown/Des
Agreed, and I'll add that obviously Harrison and his dad understand the NFL. If the goal was to win a Heisman for Marv, I think you'd see him returning punts and possibly playing a little situational CB (like Gamble in 2002 but for different reasons).
PR would help a Heisman campaign but it makes no sense for the team or for Marv as an NFL prospect.
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Right now who has had better seasons than JJ or MH? But I'd like gladly hand the hardware to JJ - and the Bowl curse that goes with it
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Right now who has had better seasons than JJ or MH? But I'd like gladly hand the hardware to JJ - and the Bowl curse that goes with it
JJ's problem, IMHO, is twofold:
First, Michigan simply isn't a throwing team so while his per attempt numbers are great his totals aren't.
Second, you need a "Heisman moment" and for that you need a decent opponent, preferably in a game LOTS of people watch. Ohio State, for example, has had two top-ten matches and I would honestly guess that the tOSU games against ND and PSU had more viewers than all of Michigan's games combined.
JJ will get opportunities on the big stage but he is hurt there by playing PSU after tOSU beat them so JJ may not get a really high-end game until after Thanksgiving and the B1G-W is so bad that the B1GCG will not help so that doesn't leave much.
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JJ's problem, IMHO, is twofold:
First, Michigan simply isn't a throwing team so while his per attempt numbers are great his totals aren't.
Second, you need a "Heisman moment" and for that you need a decent opponent, preferably in a game LOTS of people watch. Ohio State, for example, has had two top-ten matches and I would honestly guess that the tOSU games against ND and PSU had more viewers than all of Michigan's games combined.
Well if the the circle jerks that vote are that inept/unaware then perhaps we should send them a delegation and give them some pointers
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my guess....JJ and Marv give zero f**ks about the Heisman...all they care about is the TEAM and winning the B1G and winning THE GAME....and probably also the NFL.
Marv has cemented himself already as a top 3 pick. I'd probably take him #1 overall if I was picking first. I know, have to take the QB in the NFL, but to me there is no such thing as a sure thing in any draft. Marv is about as close as it gets. He's a day one high-level starter at WR in the NFL and a guy you draft and have for a decade or decade plus filled with Pro Bowl/All-Pro seasons. Caleb Williams could be a bust, Drake Maye could be a bust. Marv bust factor...extremely low. Keep it simple, stupid. Take the best player in the draft. Lions should've did this the past draft and just taken Jalen Carter- who was the best player in that draft- when he fell from the heavens to them at #6. But, nope. KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID.
JJ will have a shot at playing his way into the 1st rd if he keeps playing like he has been in big games vs PSU/OSU and if he can continue that level of play on into the post-season.
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I don’t know if Allar stinks, the WRs stink, the OL stinks or 3 of them stink.
Neither he nor McCord acquitted themselves as well as I thought they would. They both had pretty bad games.
That said, that shouldn't take away from a good job by the defenses. Legit squads. I did come away thinking a good QB with some talent around him can do battle with them, tho.
Heckuva entertaining game. All us fans down on the bayou are Vitamin D deficient. Where "D" is for defense, of course, so I have to watch the Big Ten teams to get the proper weekly dose.
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When I watch us play, I just get a weakly dose :)
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Neither he nor McCord acquitted themselves as well as I thought they would. They both had pretty bad games.
That said, that shouldn't take away from a good job by the defenses. Legit squads. I did come away thinking a good QB with some talent around him can do battle with them, tho.
Heckuva entertaining game. All us fans down on the bayou are Vitamin D deficient. Where "D" is for defense, of course, so I have to watch the Big Ten teams to get the proper weekly dose.
Kind of what I took away.
McCord is no Stroud ( but who is?)
He missed some open guys. That said- he finished 22-35 ( 63%) for 286 yards, 1 TD and no picks.
That was against the #1 ranked pass defense in CFB.
More importantly- in crunch time late, when they needed him most- he came through with some great throws.
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my guess....JJ and Marv give zero f**ks about the Heisman...all they care about is the TEAM and winning the B1G and winning THE GAME....and probably also the NFL.
I agree with everything here except the "probably".
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More importantly- in crunch time late, when they needed him most- he came through with some great throws.
This is my optimistic view. The D definitely looks legit and that *should* keep any scheduled or potential game in reach and well, the offense hasn't failed when needed yet.
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Kind of what I took away.
McCord is no Stroud ( but who is?)
He missed some open guys. That said- he finished 22-35 ( 63%) for 286 yards, 1 TD and no picks.
That was against the #1 ranked pass defense in CFB.
More importantly- in crunch time late, when they needed him most- he came through with some great throws.
I agree with the effect, though not completely with the cause. IMO, when the team needed it most, it was MHJr. more so than McCord making something happen. He polished a few turds out there, seemed like. But, I haven't rewatched anything, I might feel differently if I were to take a closer look at things.....ymmv.
IMO MHJr. was the key difference maker. As I suspected, Penn St. just doesn't have elite weapons on the outside that can stress a defense. Meanwhile, Marv is one of those special players who can win against any defender, sometimes against double coverage, and make an "okay" QB's play look a little better than it is.
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I agree with the effect, though not completely with the cause. IMO, when the team needed it most, it was MHJr. more so than McCord making something happen. He polished a few turds out there, seemed like. But, I haven't rewatched anything, I might feel differently if I were to take a closer look at things.....ymmv.
IMO MHJr. was the key difference maker. As I suspected, Penn St. just doesn't have elite weapons on the outside that can stress a defense. Meanwhile, Marv is one of those special players who can win against any defender, sometimes against double coverage, and make an "okay" QB's play look a little better than it is.
Generally agree. McCord hit the TE Stover and also the WR Fleming during crunch time as well.
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Think about what a player like Marvin Harrison Jr.'s effect is on a game that goes beyond the numbers. Guys like him are winning for his team even when the play has nothing to do with them.
Case in point: think about Penn State's scoop and score that could've changed the entire game. It got nullified....why? Because Marv was out there winning and caused a Lion defender to hold him, because what else can he do, lest he get beat? That entire sequence of events was undone for PSU because Marv is just better than everybody else, no matter whether McCord could've gotten him the ball or not. Just the threat turned disaster into a first down.
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Think about what a player like Marvin Harrison Jr.'s effect is on a game that goes beyond the numbers. Guys like him are winning for his team even when the play has nothing to do with them.
Case in point: think about Penn State's scoop and score that could've changed the entire game. It got nullified....why? Because Marv was out there winning and caused a Lion defender to hold him, because what else can he do, lest he get beat? That entire sequence of events was undone for PSU because Marv is just better than everybody else, no matter whether McCord could've gotten him the ball or not. Just the threat turned disaster into a first down.
no doubt about it. Marv changes life and changes the math for opposing defenes. There isn't a CB in CFB that can deal with him 1 on 1. Have to roll a safety over top or double him- and that still doesn't work most of the time.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaEcVZVjJtE
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that catch and run TD at 7:30 by Marv....pretty impressive. A 6'3+, 210+ dude that can run after the catch like that....don't grow on trees.
I'm taking him #1 overall if I have the #1 pick. Not sold on Caleb Williams or Drake Maye being a surefire things. Don't get me wrong they are both really good with tons of talent, but not seeing Trevor Lawerence or Andrew Luck in either of them. Those two guys were just...yeah, duh. Not even seeing CJ Stroud- who was one of the most accurate passers with insane ball placement I've ever seen out of a college QB.