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Title: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Kris61 on April 23, 2018, 07:21:49 PM
Thought this might be an interesting off season topic.  Got any?  Know anyone who does?  For the most part I’m not a picky eater with a few notable exceptions (Brussel sprouts, pickled beets) but in a previous career I worked with a guy who had the most childlike appetite of anyone I’ve ever met.

This guy wouldn’t touch a green vegetable.  Would only eat a “salad” (I use that term loosely) if it were strictly iceberg lettuce swimming in ranch dressing.  Nothing else.  No other kind of lettuce.  If he got an entree at a restaurant that came with two sides he would commonly ask for French fries and mashed potatoes.

Most of the time if we went to a restaurant his first question was usually “Do you have cheeseburgers” regardless of how nice the place was or what they specialized in.  He was also a big fan of chicken tenders, cheese sticks, and grilled cheese sandwiches.  He would eat steak or grilled chicken but would only eat the steak if it were ridiculously well done.  We were somewhere once and I ordered chilean sea bass and he proudly announced the only fish he ate was Long John Silver’s.

You ever know anyone like that?
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: TyphonInc on April 23, 2018, 07:57:23 PM
I almost always take a sample bite of each food placed before me. Then I eat my food starting from my least favorite and working my way up to what I like the most.
Whatever food it is that I liked the most I save till everyone else is eating their desert and treat that as my desert.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 23, 2018, 08:07:43 PM

I used to know a fella that would eat at Taco Bell at least five times per week. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: DevilFroggy on April 23, 2018, 08:19:20 PM
I used to know a fella that would eat at Taco Bell at least five times per week.
I don't do it regularly by any stretch but I've definitely done that before. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Kris61 on April 23, 2018, 08:51:06 PM
I almost always take a sample bite of each food placed before me. Then I eat my food starting from my least favorite and working my way up to what I like the most.
Whatever food it is that I liked the most I save till everyone else is eating their desert and treat that as my desert.
See, stuff like that for some reason is interesting to me.  I’ve always been a little intrigued by what makes people eat the way they do.  I knew a girl who tore her food apart.  She said the thought of taking a bite out of a full hamburger grossed her out.  So she would tear bites off of it and eat it.  She would do the same thing with pizza, breadsticks, etc.
She was always borderline chunky and I think that played a part in it.  I think she thought if someone saw her pick up a hamburger that made her look hoggish, but picking bites off a hamburger was feminine, dainty, cute.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 23, 2018, 08:52:43 PM
Thought this might be an interesting off season topic.  Got any?  Know anyone who does?  For the most part I’m not a picky eater with a few notable exceptions (Brussel sprouts, pickled beets) but in a previous career I worked with a guy who had the most childlike appetite of anyone I’ve ever met.

This guy wouldn’t touch a green vegetable.  Would only eat a “salad” (I use that term loosely) if it were strictly iceberg lettuce swimming in ranch dressing.  Nothing else.  No other kind of lettuce.  If he got an entree at a restaurant that came with two sides he would commonly ask for French fries and mashed potatoes.

Most of the time if we went to a restaurant his first question was usually “Do you have cheeseburgers” regardless of how nice the place was or what they specialized in.  He was also a big fan of chicken tenders, cheese sticks, and grilled cheese sandwiches.  He would eat steak or grilled chicken but would only eat the steak if it were ridiculously well done.  We were somewhere once and I ordered chilean sea bass and he proudly announced the only fish he ate was Long John Silver’s.

You ever know anyone like that?
You worked with my middle brother?
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: TyphonInc on April 23, 2018, 09:08:19 PM
See, stuff like that for some reason is interesting to me.  I’ve always been a little intrigued by what makes people eat the way they do.  I knew a girl who tore her food apart.  She said the thought of taking a bite out of a full hamburger grossed her out.  So she would tear bites off of it and eat it.  She would do the same thing with pizza, breadsticks, etc.
She was always borderline chunky and I think that played a part in it.  I think she thought if someone saw her pick up a hamburger that made her look hoggish, but picking bites off a hamburger was feminine, dainty, cute.
I think I have 2 factors, first I got to sleep several nights at the kitchen table because of the "not allowed to leave until you clean your plate", so I learned to start at the bottom and work my way up.
2nd I drink 2 sugar drinks a day, I treat those as deserts, and I think eating another desert on top would be excessive. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on April 23, 2018, 09:11:24 PM
My older brother loved the KFC lunch buffet.   We all know people who can just crush food.    When he was of driving age, and we weren't, and if he was driving us around, and we ended up at KFC it was going to be awhile.

(After a round of several pieces of chicken) 'Sorry, we're out of extra crispy, it won't be ready for 20 minutes.'
(pause)......'I'll wait.'   Sits quietly surrounded by crumpled napkins, spilled cole slaw and crumbs of biscuits.   I think about that whenever I have fried chicken.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on April 23, 2018, 09:12:27 PM
I don't do it regularly by any stretch but I've definitely done that before.
Yeah, that's a high probability occurrence for a boy between 14-20.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 23, 2018, 09:22:24 PM
I don't think I have any weird eating habits.  There are some foods I'm not particularly fond of, like pickles and olives, but I don't think I eat in any unusual way. 

I know a guy who has to eat all of one thing on his plate, before he'll go on to the next.  Me, I just meander back and forth among all of the different foods.

I also know at least a couple of people that don't like the different foods on their plate to touch each other.  I don't really have a problem with that, in fact eating Tex-Mex would be pretty much impossible if I made that rule for myself.

Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 23, 2018, 09:31:27 PM
I'd rather have more meat n' sides than any dessert.  

I'll order 2 starches for sides.  

I love trying things I've never had before, or cultural foods I've never experienced.

I once went to Wendy's for dinner and while I was eating, realized it was my 2nd trip to Wendy's that day.  I was not proud of myself at that moment.  
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 23, 2018, 09:40:37 PM
I like food.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Kris61 on April 23, 2018, 10:20:27 PM
Michael Kay, the radio host and Yankee broadcaster is pretty well known for his unusual eating habits.  Among them are his claims that:

He’s never eaten a condiment
Never eaten a banana
Never eaten an egg
Never drank coffee
Never eaten fish
Never eaten a tomato
Doesn’t eat salad dressing


He says his wife is a foodie and likes to go to restaurants and he pretty much sticks to steak and chicken.  I think last year he lost a bet and had to eat a Whopper on air so the condiment thing may no longer be true.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on April 24, 2018, 12:36:34 AM
I don't think I can go five days avoiding any of those items (maybe a tomato depending on the month).  I tend to make my own dressings.   The egg is a vital ingredient for so many different reasons.

I've never had a pop tart or an energy drink.

I think the one food I tend to avoid is tuna (though I'll eat sushi), especially tuna salad, or steaks.  Ocean perch and Dover Sole isn't very good either.  Sole tastes like nothing, bruises easily.  Anything that seemingly has to be paired with a butter sauce (hey, I like butter) isn't very good.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 24, 2018, 01:15:49 AM
I have 2 cousins who grew up eating every meat with ketchup.  It continued into adulthood, but I'm not sure if it's still true.  Chicken, steak, turkey - any meat came with ketchup or it wasn't being eaten.  
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Kris61 on April 24, 2018, 06:11:56 AM
Yeah, the dude I worked with always dunked his steak in ketchup too.  I forgot about that.  I did that as a kid but eventually outgrew it.

My wife’s late grandfather had a theory that if a little was good then a lot was better and that would extend to his eating as well.  First off, he was diabetic and had high blood pressure so her grandmother basically stopped seasoning food at all.  I can attest the woman makes some of the blandest meals I’ve ever eaten.  But she would let him have pepper and he took full advantage.  After making his plate he would unscrew the pepper lid and proceed to pepper his food until the point it was unrecognizable.  It was nauseating to watch.

On more that one occasion I’ve seen her calmly and wordlessly take a salad dressing bottle from his hands as he would just turn it upside and drown his salad.  Years ago I was grilling steaks and her parents and grandparents came over to eat.  He came outside where I was cooking and asked which steak was his.  I told him which ever one he wanted.  He then set aside a steak and took the garlic salt I was using, unscrewed the lid, and just buried each side of the steak in the stuff.  I was horrified.  He then told me not to tell grandma and then smiled and went inside.

I honestly think he had some type of mental disorder.  He would do the same thing with dish liquid if dishes needed washed.  He’d use half a bottle for like 3 or 4 pots or pans.  Before every meal he’d scrub his hands and forearms up to his elbows like a surgeon going into the OR.  Nice guy but exhibited strange behavior sometimes.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 24, 2018, 07:54:50 AM
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Michael Kay, the radio host and Yankee broadcaster is pretty well known for his unusual eating habits.  Among them are his claims that:

He’s never eaten a condiment
Never eaten a banana
Never eaten an egg
Never drank coffee
Never eaten fish
Never eaten a tomato
Doesn’t eat salad dressing


He says his wife is a foodie and likes to go to restaurants and he pretty much sticks to steak and chicken.  I think last year he lost a bet and had to eat a Whopper on air so the condiment thing may no longer be true.
All of those "nevers" are just really weird to me.
I'll try anything once, and if I don't like something it's typically the preparation, and not the food itself.  For example I love calamari, but a lot of restaurants screw it up and turn it into rubber bands.  It's disgusting that way.  When cooked properly it's delicate and flavorful and delicious.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 24, 2018, 07:57:22 AM
I'm not a "breakfast" food person. I've spent my whole life eating "lunch/dinner" foods in the morning. Lots of people, including my wife, think this was not normal. Some still do, but she doesn't.

When we were in Europe, she found out I'm perfectly normal. They do make "American breakfast" over there - for Americans.

:96:
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 24, 2018, 08:00:45 AM
IAll of those "nevers" are just really weird to me.
I'll try anything once, and if I don't like something it's typically the preparation, and not the food itself.  For example I love calamari, but a lot of restaurants screw it up and turn it into rubber bands.  It's disgusting that way.  When cooked properly it's delicate and flavorful and delicious.

It's amazing to me how many "chefs" screw up calamari, and a lot of other seafood too. It's so simple and they screw it up.

Meats sometimes as well. I know the local places we go to by now. One in particular.. you have to order purple to get medium-rare, etc. It's weird.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 24, 2018, 08:16:39 AM
It's amazing to me how many "chefs" screw up calamari, and a lot of other seafood too. It's so simple and they screw it up.

Meats sometimes as well. I know the local places we go to by now. One in particular.. you have to order purple to get medium-rare, etc. It's weird.
Yeah, you can order a steak any way you like in France-- it's still going to come out rare.  Or even "bleu" which is one level more rare than rare.  I like rare but since French beef is pretty poor quality, it's not a very enjoyable experience...
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 24, 2018, 08:19:47 AM
I'm not a "breakfast" food person. I've spent my whole life eating "lunch/dinner" foods in the morning. Lots of people, including my wife, think this was not normal. Some still do, but she doesn't.

When we were in Europe, she found out I'm perfectly normal. They do make "American breakfast" over there - for Americans.

:96:
I'm good with breakfast foods but I don't eat a ton of bread so things like pancakes, waffles, muffins, biscuits are pretty rare for me.  It's not really a low-carb thing for me, because I'll eat sandwiches and tacos and chips&salsa, but since I don't crave the breakfast breads, there's no bother in avoiding them.
I do love a good fried egg sandwich though, but I'll typically eat that at dinner time rather than breakfast.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 24, 2018, 08:26:17 AM
i had a group of guys who work for me 'help' me do some heavy lifting getting some stuff loaded and out one day, and treated them all to dinner at one of the 'nicer' steak houses... good steak and a few beers go well after an 14 hour day of hard labor...  told them to 'get what you want', and of course they flipped right to the high end steaks.  

one guy orders the filet, which is fine- but then tells the waitress "very well done, please"- and i stopped him butt cold.. i couldn't bring myself to ruin a decent cut of filet by making leather out of it.  I told him to get a flank steak or a sirloin if he plans on making jerky... and i was dead serious.  He decided "I'll try it medium, then", and he was stunned about 'how much better' it was... Understand 'medium' was too hot for my tastes too- but i was compromising.  He now eats his steak medium rare when his wife is around so she doesn't get 'grossed out', and orders it like i do when she isn't- which is "rare side of medium rare".... 

point being.... lots of people just do what they do and don't think about it- because that's what they've done.  stepping outside known quarters is a lot bigger a deal to some than most.  they only find out what they've been missing when they have to.  
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 24, 2018, 08:28:41 AM
In Elementary School there was this dude that would stir up his whole tray into one giant mushy concoction, and then proceed to wolf it down just like that. 

If anyone looked at him funny, he'd say What? It all goes into the same stomach!
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 24, 2018, 08:31:06 AM
I'm not an egg fan, per se. To me, eggs are an ingredient.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 24, 2018, 08:32:50 AM
seafood is something i've learned since moving to the coast. preparing, that is.  i make some mean shrimp and grits, or any kind of shrimp (will save you the bubba gump routine), and depending on what is available i can do some cuts of fish pretty dang well... the best fish off the coast is also the hardest to find: cobia.  Mahi (dolphin fish) is damn good, as is yellow fin tuna (can't get bluefin often though a ton of it is harvested here) but being as rich as it is a 4~6oz cut will fill most folks.  

if any of you folks want some good fresh stuff, let me know... you'd be one day out FedEx. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 24, 2018, 08:36:48 AM
but back to weird habits:  

I'll discover what i like the best on a plate, and leave a bite of it for the very last thing off the plate.  i don't know if that's weird or smart... I'm going to go with smart.  
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 24, 2018, 08:38:37 AM
I'm not an egg fan, per se. To me, eggs are an ingredient.
Eggs are a delicious topper on a plateful of enchiladas.  Two eggs, sunny side up.  Or, over-easy if you're not as brave as I am... ;)
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 24, 2018, 08:41:04 AM
Eggs are a delicious topper on a plateful of enchiladas.  Two eggs, sunny side up.  Or, over-easy if you're not as brave as I am... ;)
If you did that to me, I'd channel Guy Fieri and toss them aside so I could enjoy the enchiladas. :)
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: ELA on April 24, 2018, 08:43:47 AM
I don't drink anything during the meal.  I'll drink while waiting on the food, then wherever I'm at, I leave it til I'm done.  Makes wine/beer pairings a waste.  I just don't like the texture of going back and forth.

As I've gotten older, I've tried to break it a little when I catch myself, simply to pace myself eating a little better, avoiding indigestion and whatnot.  But it's 35 years ingrained, so I still generally don't.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 24, 2018, 08:43:55 AM
but back to weird habits:  

I'll discover what i like the best on a plate, and leave a bite of it for the very last thing off the plate.  i don't know if that's weird or smart... I'm going to go with smart.  
Nah, I do that fairly often, too.  Nothing weird about saving the best for last, so that's the flavor that remains with you afterward.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 24, 2018, 08:44:31 AM
If you did that to me, I'd channel Guy Fieri and toss them aside so I could enjoy the enchiladas. :)
Don't knock it til you try it.  
And Guy Fieri knows exactly dick about Tex-Mex.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 24, 2018, 08:45:19 AM
I don't drink anything during the meal.  I'll drink while waiting on the food, then wherever I'm at, I leave it til I'm done.  Makes wine/beer pairings a waste.  I just don't like the texture of going back and forth.
OK, I think that definitely qualifies as a weird eating habit. :)
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 24, 2018, 08:47:32 AM
Don't knock it til you try it.  
And Guy Fieri knows exactly dick about Tex-Mex.
I'm sure you're correct. He's a Cali guy. But he knows to not wreck something great by putting an egg on it, because eggs are an ingredient.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 24, 2018, 08:49:03 AM
I don't drink anything during the meal.  I'll drink while waiting on the food, then wherever I'm at, I leave it til I'm done.  Makes wine/beer pairings a waste.  I just don't like the texture of going back and forth.
This is different. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 24, 2018, 08:51:31 AM
I'm sure you're correct. He's a Cali guy. But he knows to not wreck something great by putting an egg on it, because eggs are an ingredient.
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Kris61 on April 24, 2018, 09:26:38 AM
I don't drink anything during the meal.  I'll drink while waiting on the food, then wherever I'm at, I leave it til I'm done.  Makes wine/beer pairings a waste.  I just don't like the texture of going back and forth.

As I've gotten older, I've tried to break it a little when I catch myself, simply to pace myself eating a little better, avoiding indigestion and whatnot.  But it's 35 years ingrained, so I still generally don't.
There was a guy on the WVU message board who one time said he did the same thing.  But his was ingrained by his dad.  His dad wouldn’t allow him a drink of anything until all his food was gone.  He was afraid he’d fill up on liquid and then not be hungry.
My wife’s brother doesn’t go that far but does monitor how much his kids drink during meals.  He’ll say stuff like “Ok, 5 bites before your next drink.”  He says his kids (especially his son) will just pound juice or whatever and forget about their food.
I’m the exact opposite.  I have to have something to drink.  Even if I just eat a small cookie while I’m in the house I have to get a swig of milk or something to wash it down.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: ELA on April 24, 2018, 09:55:21 AM
There was a guy on the WVU message board who one time said he did the same thing.  But his was ingrained by his dad.  His dad wouldn’t allow him a drink of anything until all his food was gone.  He was afraid he’d fill up on liquid and then not be hungry.
My wife’s brother doesn’t go that far but does monitor how much his kids drink during meals.  He’ll say stuff like “Ok, 5 bites before your next drink.”  He says his kids (especially his son) will just pound juice or whatever and forget about their food.
I’m the exact opposite.  I have to have something to drink.  Even if I just eat a small cookie while I’m in the house I have to get a swig of milk or something to wash it down.
I also find something extremely satisfying about chugging my whole remaining drink (not if it's alcohol) after I'm done.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 24, 2018, 10:03:30 AM
I'm not a big fan of monitoring what/when/how people eat and drink. I believe over-monitoring can lead to disorders for people. I've seen it happen.

Just eat when you want, how you want. It matters none to anyone else but the person eating.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 24, 2018, 10:43:02 AM
I'm not a big fan of monitoring what/when/how people eat and drink. I believe over-monitoring can lead to disorders for people. I've seen it happen.

Just eat when you want, how you want. It matters none to anyone else but the person eating.
I usually don't have to fight too much with my kids to eat. I don't let them snack, so by the time dinner rolls around, they're pretty hungry. That hunger makes them much more likely to try things, too. As some have said, "hunger is the best seasoning" ;-) 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 24, 2018, 10:53:00 AM
I don't think I have particularly weird food hang-ups. When I was younger I was the type to eat all of one item on my plate before moving to any other item, but I've broken myself of that habit.

Probably my biggest "weird" thing is that I find it completely acceptable to not eat anything until dinner. I've had a lot of people tell me that they get headaches, or feel ill, by early afternoon if they haven't eaten anything. My wife says that not eating anything until dinner is an unhealthy habit. But I've never had a problem. I can go all day, especially when I'm busy at work, and not even feel remotely "hungry" until the late afternoon.

Other than that, I'm a very adventurous eater, and not particularly picky. I generally avoid sweets, and there are a few things that I find offputting [coconut, most refried beans, etc], but in general I'm willing to try just about anything. I honestly love traveling in Asia for just that reason. I can--and do--get to try a lot of things that I wouldn't ever normally encounter in the US.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 24, 2018, 11:26:24 AM
Yup, foreign travel will certainly expand your horizons.  I've never been a picky eater but even as late as my college years, I couldn't really imagine eating things like chicken feet or snails.  Traveling through Europe and Asia in my early 20s forced me to try new things and I'm extremely grateful for that.  Now I'll eat pretty much anything.

But I still don't like olives, and absolutely loathe pickles
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: NickSmith4Three on April 24, 2018, 12:09:08 PM
I can't stand peanut butter or peanut butter flavored anything.  A lot of people find that strange.  When I was a kid, I was really picky.  I didn't like or eat chocolate for probably the first 25+ years of my life.  Now I eat almost anything, but I still don't like peanut butter, mustard or pickles.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 24, 2018, 12:15:37 PM
But I still don't like olives, and absolutely loathe pickles
Sounds like me with eggs, except I'm not to tell you you're wrong.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 24, 2018, 12:46:10 PM
international can be tricky... funny quick story:

driving to Doha Qatar from Abu Dhabi UAE and during Ramadan makes picking a place to chow difficult.  I was starving and on day three without a bite. passing a road side stand with a literal bus load of Indian migrant workers lined up meant i'd found one of the few concessions's the Saudi's would allow during Ramadan (wink wink- it wasn't 'authorized')... i swooped in an snatched up a few sticks of kabobs and a bottled (sealed) soda.  no sooner than the feisty little hunger beast left me i realized there was a 99+% chance i just poisoned myself- but it never happened. 

during Ramadan Muslim's party and feast all night long, and fast (which is to say they sleep) during the daylight hours. water is the only thing you'll want to be seen consuming, else they take serious offense which leads to basically a whoopin.  

nearing the end of that same ramadan (this was just prior to kicking off the invasion of Iraq) i was in a similar situation but this time in an airport, landing in Dubai.  There was a starbucks so i made a bee-line to it and caught the workers pulling the food out of the case and about to shut down for the day (likely 7am or so)... I snatched up the last chicken salad pita they had and a coffee... the next day it struck me hard- i was afraid i was going to die- then i was afraid i wasn't going to die.. after much loss of bodily fluid, i pulled through. 

weird thing about it: the roadside (most likely contraband) kabobs didn't cause any grief whatsoever... but a starbucks?  it was bad, y'all.  real bad. 

Dubai is an interesting place to get various cultures foods- everything from Mediterranean to Mexican, Far East to Scandinavian... I once had Camel tenderloins there- because.... well... just because.. have ya'll ever seen that on the menu before?  
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 24, 2018, 01:00:49 PM

Probably my biggest "weird" thing is that I find it completely acceptable to not eat anything until dinner. I've had a lot of people tell me that they get headaches, or feel ill, by early afternoon if they haven't eaten anything. My wife says that not eating anything until dinner is an unhealthy habit. But I've never had a problem. I can go all day, especially when I'm busy at work, and not even feel remotely "hungry" until the late afternoon.

did this when I was younger.  College through my 30s.
Eat nothing all day, then about 9pm hit the all you can eat Prime rib dinner and put down 3 slabs of baked beef!
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: ELA on April 24, 2018, 02:36:37 PM
I'd still do that if single.  7:30 is the absolute earliest I enjoy eating.  I haven't eaten breakfast other than as an event since I was probably 9, and lunch is small or not at all.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 24, 2018, 02:42:29 PM
in my advanced age, heartburn and acid reflux has ruined my late eating

I now try to eat by 7pm and also try not to over eat

helps me sleep

getting old is HELL
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: ELA on April 24, 2018, 03:00:33 PM
I almost never go to bed before 12:30, otherwise I'd be the same.  Once I eat I'm done.  I might have some popcorn around 9 if I'm hungry but nothing after.  If I went to bed earlier than that I wouldn't eat late.  But obviously eating late also prevent snacking.  I almost never snack during the day, but late night is when it hits.  Eating late curbs that.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 24, 2018, 03:03:55 PM
Sounds like me with eggs, except I'm not to tell you you're wrong.
That's because your aversion to eggs is weird because eggs are amazing, while my dislike for pickles and olives is unremarkable because those two items are disgusting and totally suck.


Seriously though, is it a texture thing?  I could see that.  I don't really have any issues with textures.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 24, 2018, 03:06:30 PM
I'm not a "breakfast" food person. I've spent my whole life eating "lunch/dinner" foods in the morning. Lots of people, including my wife, think this was not normal. Some still do, but she doesn't.

When we were in Europe, she found out I'm perfectly normal. They do make "American breakfast" over there - for Americans.

:96:
I'm exactly the same way.  Everyone else is weird for setting aside only certain foods for certain meals.  Yes, I may want a burger or a sandwich or a burrito at 8am.  No, that is not weird.  Only eating bacon in the morning is weird.  Only eating certain things at certain times is weird.
It should be good you enjoy 24/7.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 24, 2018, 03:07:33 PM
nothing wrong with good eggs, pickles, and olives

although pickled eggs aren't my favorite

I do draw the line at lutefisk and brains
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 24, 2018, 03:08:01 PM
I remember my babysitter when I was 7-8 years old dipping Pringles chips in mustard.  That's just straight salt, yeeesh.  


The only other thing I remember about her is she'd lay out and tan a lot.  I was only a kid, but I couldn't take my eyes off her then, she was bangin'.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 24, 2018, 03:09:53 PM
What's your top 5 meals....or main entrees?  I may be weird in that I have good BBQ first, and if I had to pick a BBQ, it'd be pork.  It might be weird that I'd rather have fried catfish over a steak.  And I like Heinz 57 way more than A1, but with a great steak, it doesn't need sauce.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on April 24, 2018, 03:28:19 PM
Thought this might be an interesting off season topic.  Got any?  Know anyone who does?  For the most part I’m not a picky eater with a few notable exceptions (Brussel sprouts, pickled beets) but in a previous career I worked with a guy who had the most childlike appetite of anyone I’ve ever met.

This guy wouldn’t touch a green vegetable.  Would only eat a “salad” (I use that term loosely) if it were strictly iceberg lettuce swimming in ranch dressing.  Nothing else.  No other kind of lettuce.  If he got an entree at a restaurant that came with two sides he would commonly ask for French fries and mashed potatoes.

Most of the time if we went to a restaurant his first question was usually “Do you have cheeseburgers” regardless of how nice the place was or what they specialized in.  He was also a big fan of chicken tenders, cheese sticks, and grilled cheese sandwiches.  He would eat steak or grilled chicken but would only eat the steak if it were ridiculously well done.  We were somewhere once and I ordered chilean sea bass and he proudly announced the only fish he ate was Long John Silver’s.

You ever know anyone like that?
I think I know that guy. I worked once with a guy from the Newark Ohio area that sounds exactly like the person you are describing. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 24, 2018, 03:41:13 PM
top 5 entrees?

1 - beef ribs can't be beat for the fatty juicy flavor - smoked long rib or braised short rib

2- Dry aged porterhouse - more rare than medium

3 - Smoked/grilled chicken wings with some old bay seasoning and wicked hot sauce

4 - Badger's Cioppino stew

5 - smoked sausage - think BBQ joint

after #1 and #2, the other 3 can be arranged in any order - depends on my mood
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: rolltidefan on April 24, 2018, 05:04:08 PM
I don't think I have any weird eating habits.  There are some foods I'm not particularly fond of, like pickles and olives, but I don't think I eat in any unusual way.

I know a guy who has to eat all of one thing on his plate, before he'll go on to the next.  Me, I just meander back and forth among all of the different foods.

I also know at least a couple of people that don't like the different foods on their plate to touch each other.  I don't really have a problem with that, in fact eating Tex-Mex would be pretty much impossible if I made that rule for myself.


that's me. don't know why. i guess because i like to go in order of what i like best. if i'm going to fill up before finishing plate, i want to be full on what i like best.
i know a elderly lady that does that, but to extreme. she orders desert first, and if still hungry a meal. probably not the most healthy thing, but she's mid-80's, she can do as she pleases as far as i'm concerned.
my bro in law is chicken and few veggies only type guy. he'll eat steaks on rare occasion. and boiled hotdogs.
my kids are, thankfully, not picky eaters. in fact, all of them pick a local sushi place for the birthday meals, which seems odd to me for 4-9 yo's. they love sushi. my middle son, 7yo, will eat non-stop, and i mean that literally. we have to make him stop eating for fear he'll balloon up with health issues later.  
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on April 24, 2018, 05:41:08 PM
I do love a good fried egg sandwich though, but I'll typically eat that at dinner time rather than breakfast.
Hellz yes,morning/noon/nite - scramble them with diced green pepper & onion.Toasted rye bread with brown mustard and a pickle on the side.

Back in the day when a bunch of us went out we'd hit the breakfast joints after drinking,chasing skirt or shooting pool.One friend ordered & requested portions don't touch each other.Which the rest of us thought odd,what happens when it all hits the stomach.Hell when no one's around I'll mix peas,spuds,carrots,corn,stuffing altogether.Get everything in one scoop.My friend would also cut around the yolks on his plate eating the whites separately 1st and popping the bubbles last
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on April 24, 2018, 05:44:22 PM
Eating time is a big problem at our household.  My wife is at work before any of us are awake, thus she loathes eating dinner later than 6 ish.  I'd just as soon eat dinner at 7pm or later everyday of the week.  My kids don't do well past 6pm.

top 5 dishes/proteins:
1. Duck Breast (med rare) with some kind of chutney, and maybe some root vegetables.
2. Lamb (oven roasted frenched rack: med rare)
3. Pork Cheeks
4. Halibut (cheeks even better)
5. Osso Bucco
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 24, 2018, 05:50:17 PM
top 5 entrees?

1 - beef ribs can't be beat for the fatty juicy flavor - smoked long rib or braised short rib

2- Dry aged porterhouse - more rare than medium

3 - Smoked/grilled chicken wings with some old bay seasoning and wicked hot sauce

4 - Badger's Cioppino stew


5 - smoked sausage - think BBQ joint

after #1 and #2, the other 3 can be arranged in any order - depends on my mood
Thanks buddy. I've actually improved on it since you've partaken. Mrs. 847 agrees.

I'll be in Madison for the Huskers this year.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 24, 2018, 06:03:15 PM
I've put a whole lot of food in my mouth to come up with a top 5.

I've had experiences though, that I can put out there.


The steak in Firenze. Holy sheep shit. To hell with the pasta. Give me the steak.

The progression at Topolobampo in Chicago. Never had better Mexican food than that.

The ribs at Twin Anchors in Chicago. There's nothing like that joint. Just go if you can.

Tapas in Barcelona. Also, dinner at Set Portes there. Pretty amazing stuff.

The restaurant at Shutters in Santa Monica. Holy crap, the sunset was awesome and the food even better.

Le Francais in Wheeling, IL. RIP.

There are a whole lot more.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 24, 2018, 06:15:55 PM
top 5 dishes/proteins:
1. Duck Breast (med rare) with some kind of chutney, and maybe some root vegetables.
2. Lamb (oven roasted frenched rack: med rare)
3. Pork Cheeks
4. Halibut (cheeks even better)
5. Osso Bucco

nice choices
Veal or pork Osso?
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 24, 2018, 06:18:50 PM
Thanks buddy. I've actually improved on it since you've partaken. Mrs. 847 agrees.

I'll be in Madison for the Huskers this year.
I'll try to make it, but expect to be slammed at work.  Same hotel as usual?
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 24, 2018, 06:25:58 PM
I'll try to make it, but expect to be slammed at work.  Same hotel as usual?
Same place. Been remodeled too.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 24, 2018, 06:26:24 PM
nice choices
Veal or pork Osso?
Gotta be veal.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 24, 2018, 08:32:42 PM
Same place. Been remodeled too.
We apologize. There are no available rooms for your requested stay.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 24, 2018, 08:33:35 PM
Gotta be veal.
that's what I guessed, I usually have pork.  More common in my dirt farmer city.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 24, 2018, 08:48:24 PM
I've made similar to osso bucco with lamb shank and it's also great.

I don't think I could possibly name a top 5 meals, or proteins, or even styles of cuisine.  I love a wide variety of foods and experiences. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 24, 2018, 08:56:50 PM
Me too, but beef ribs are rarely found, so I search for them

Dry aged porterhouse is also fortunate find on a menu
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 24, 2018, 09:05:44 PM
I get beef ribs from my butcher, 2 blocks from the house. Always great.



I failed to mention my favorite sushi experience. It was in Honolulu.

http://kinchansushi.com/


That table you see.. is it. The man is a master.

Gotta have the angler fish liver. I'd go to Oahu for that alone. Amazing stuff.


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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 24, 2018, 09:08:46 PM
Me too, but beef ribs are rarely found, so I search for them

Dry aged porterhouse is also fortunate find on a menu
You can trip over beef ribs on pretty much every street corner down here.
But don't move here.
Thank You For Your Support.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 24, 2018, 09:17:43 PM
You can trip over beef ribs on pretty much every street corner down here.
But don't move here.
Thank You For Your Support.
Here too, but don't move here.

Everyone (with any money) is leaving.

If you do come, they* will thank your for your exorbitant support.


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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Kris61 on April 24, 2018, 09:33:32 PM
I usually don't have to fight too much with my kids to eat. I don't let them snack, so by the time dinner rolls around, they're pretty hungry. That hunger makes them much more likely to try things, too. As some have said, "hunger is the best seasoning" ;-)
My wife and I have different approaches to our kids eating and I’ve found most agree with her.  She takes the approach that if they get hungry enough and are offered no other options they will eventually eat what is in front of them.  That is how she was raised.
I make them try at least one bite of what they claim not to like fully knowing they will still say they don’t like it without really giving it a chance.  But after trying the bite I will allow them to eat something they do like (chicken nuggets, mac and cheese, ramen noodles, whatever).  I don’t make them eat what we are eating if they don’t want it.  My mom allowed me and my sister to do that and we just eventually grew out of not liking stuff and now basically eat anything.
I guess I expect my kids will do the same although I guess they could end up like the guy I described in my original post.  But I can tell you my approach is not popular with old school southern West Virginians who were raised in poverty.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on April 24, 2018, 09:53:46 PM
re: Osso Buco, it's all good, but Veal would be first choice.   What the heck is going on in NW Iowa where you can't locate beef ribs?   Is somebody hoarding them?  Easy find in Indy.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 24, 2018, 10:00:21 PM
Perhaps the dirt farmer is looking in the dirt, instead of the butcher shop?

Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 24, 2018, 11:02:19 PM
I'm sure folks are hoarding them.  I can find them if I look enough and not afraid to drive

had to go the the stockyards in Fort Worth, 45 minutes from Arlington

Drove to Taylor from Round Rock

Used to get them at Nye's in Minneapolis, now go to the Butcher and the Boar

always worth the trip
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 25, 2018, 12:24:14 AM
You know now that I think about it, it's not really pickles, it's all forms of cucumber that I don't like.  I don't like them fresh, and I don't like them pickled.  I will not eat them in a car, I will not eat them from a jar.  

But it's not the pickling process/flavor itself, because I like pickled jalapenos, pickled carrots, pickled onions...

Interesting.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: DevilFroggy on April 25, 2018, 01:28:19 AM
Eggs are a fantastic stand alone food. Hard/soft boiled, friend, or scrambled. 

Eggs over easy with buttered wheat toast has been my go-to breakfast lately, when I do actually eat breakfast that is.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 25, 2018, 01:31:45 AM
Maybe my weirdness is not digging eggs.  They're fine, but the world seems to be in love with them.  I don't dislike them, but there's about 900 other foods I'd rather have first.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 25, 2018, 06:44:14 AM
Just wrapped up consuming a caprese salad for the morning meal.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Cincydawg on April 25, 2018, 06:58:58 AM
The wife is French, are you kidding? :)
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 25, 2018, 07:15:58 AM
I'm sure she understands the importance of egg as an ingredient.

I can eat an omelette if it's done properly, but it needs to have greens to go with. Maybe some microgreens, or asparagus. A balsamic finish tips that one in.

I'm sure she could make one correctly. It's not as easy as it seems.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 25, 2018, 08:03:34 AM
Not sure I ever saw an omelette whilst living in France.  Maybe it was a dinner option and I was usually doing seafood or boeuf bourguignon and such?  I certainly didn't see it at breakfast which is pretty typically Continental.

Ate plenty of fried eggs on top of a croque madame though, that's a tasty sammich.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 25, 2018, 11:04:34 AM
When presented with sausage/bacon, eggs, toast and cheese I use my fork to section each of those things off into approximately one inch squares, and then stack one of each on said fork like a shish kabob, and eat them as miniature breakfast sandwiches.

I can size up each of those items and adjust the size of the rations accordingly so that I run out of each ingredient simultaneously. That way, I don't have to have the last few bites without cheese or what have you.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 25, 2018, 11:14:47 AM
Dry aged porterhouse is also fortunate find on a menu
I don't get T-bone / porterhouse. 

Filet is one of the least-flavorful beef steaks. It's tender, but I'd rather have flavor than tenderness.
Strip is flavorful, but tougher. Still, it's not nearly the most flavorful cut of beef you can get in a steak. 
And it's hard to cook properly, because being an inconsistent shape and with the big bone in the middle you have to do a lot of work to get a good sear and have to time it perfectly to make sure the filet and the strip are at the same level of doneness.
Why not just get a ribeye? More tender than strip and more flavorful than either.
I swear the only reason for a t-bone is this primal need to see a bone on your plate. And the only reason for a porterhouse is that it's big. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 25, 2018, 11:32:40 AM
i've got an 18# standing ribeye roast in the freezer... going to cut at least a dozen steaks out of it, bone in.  ribeye's have the marble in all the right places to produce the flavor, no doubt.  the strip only has that one prominent line down the outside of it.  i DO like a good strip for the density, sometimes.  

the filet has plenty of flavor by my reckoning- though it has to be aged out of it just right, and it really disturbs me to age and then cut 1/3 to 1/2 of it away... 

since i started cooking them low and slow, and searing at the end i've not had a problem with getting the right sear on the porterhouse... i prefer an open flame and use a cast iron pan with melted butter and a dash of olive oil... pull the steaks out of the slow cooker, drop them in the cast iron for a good coating, and then drop them over the open fire for no more than ten seconds a side... it's the only way i know how to get the edge-to-edge rare-medium-rare temperature inside, and the nice slightly crusted bark outside.  the fire gets the tight areas especially with the fuel (butter/oil). 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 25, 2018, 11:35:29 AM
Overall I agree on the challenges of the t-bone.  But personally I don't really like the fatty texture of a ribeye.

I typically grill strip when cooking for myself and my family.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on April 25, 2018, 11:55:41 AM
I enjoy a strip or rib eye.I'm a firm believer of the reverse sear.10-15 minutes over med.indirect heat - depends on your grill.This gently heats the steak then over to the hot side for a quick sear a minute on each side. perfecct 125-130 degrees for me.Have to let it sit 7-10 minutes.Never ate a lot of steak until the last few years.Make it a point to have at least one a month now
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 25, 2018, 12:14:27 PM
Yup, I'm a big fan of the reverse sear when I'm not cooking on mesquite coals outside.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on April 25, 2018, 12:18:04 PM
You want perfect doneness for steak.  Use an Anova sous vide stick.  Thing is wondrous.   I use it for steak, chicken , pork.

All guesswork is done.  
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 25, 2018, 12:26:52 PM
I don't get T-bone / porterhouse. yes you do - last sentence.  It has a bone and it's huge!

Filet is one of the least-flavorful beef steaks. It's tender, but I'd rather have flavor than tenderness. - Agreed, I rarely order a fillet

Strip is flavorful, but tougher. Still, it's not nearly the most flavorful cut of beef you can get in a steak. - a good strip is not tough.  I really enjoy the strip flavor.  The sirloin has more robust beef flavor, but...

And it's hard to cook properly, because being an inconsistent shape and with the big bone in the middle you have to do a lot of work to get a good sear and have to time it perfectly to make sure the filet and the strip are at the same level of doneness. - I don't have too much trouble with this

Why not just get a ribeye? More tender than strip and more flavorful than either. - I do enjoy a nice ribeye. the tomahawk bone-ins are impressive.  It's funny because I really enjoy the fattiness of the beef rib, but as a steak not as much.

I swear the only reason for a t-bone is this primal need to see a bone on your plate. And the only reason for a porterhouse is that it's big. - BINGO - the bone adds flavor and tenderness to the meat next to it.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 25, 2018, 12:27:49 PM
Overall I agree on the challenges of the t-bone.  But personally I don't really like the fatty texture of a ribeye.

I typically grill strip when cooking for myself and my family.
bingo!
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on April 25, 2018, 01:12:30 PM
I do draw the line at lutefisk and brains
Same-same,I'd eat the ass out of road kill before I'd knowingly touch those.A few years back think it was Guy Fieri(Could a been Andrew Zimmern) took a road trip down the Mississippi.Starting up in Minny and all the way down thru Lou-zee-anna.Hit all the cultures & hamlets bordering the great river,pretty interesting segment.Not uncommon evidently to eat livestock brains cooked a whole variety of ways.This was a passed down practice from back in the day when they couldn't let anything go to waste.Thought he said there are Health Dept.regulations prohibiting this.Locals along the way still serve it,calling/disguising as something else.

Lutefisk isn't that soaked in Lye?Prolly served with a salt lick on the side.....and a pickle
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 25, 2018, 01:17:38 PM
You want perfect doneness for steak.  Use an Anova sous vide stick.  Thing is wondrous.   I use it for steak, chicken , pork.

All guesswork is done.  
Oddly enough, I rarely use my Anova for protein. When I do, it's more for the super-tough proteins that would ordinarily ONLY tenderize with a braise or other cooking method that takes them well past well-done (i.e. BBQ meats, chuck, etc). 
I find that when I'm cooking steak, I get a better result doing a reverse-sear on the grill rather than sous vide followed by a sear on the grill or in a pan. Part of that is with a kamado, I can drop that steak onto a grate temp of >1000 deg. But I never really liked the texture of a ribeye done sous vide. (It would be perfect for filet though.)
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 25, 2018, 01:20:07 PM
Fearless...

Agreed about the bone. But then why not just buy a bone-in strip and not mess with the filet side of it at all?
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on April 25, 2018, 01:34:49 PM
Anybody have a quick easy method/recipe for grilling or pan frying Veal shoulder blade chops? If it's not too much trouble,you don't have to go all Jacques Pepin keep it simple.Cindy picked them up for me but won't touch 'em.Thanx,I'll just eat them alone over the sink.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on April 25, 2018, 01:56:59 PM
I've never grilled or fried a Veal Shoulder Blade Chop (bone in).  That's a cut for braising Osso Buco style.   This can look quite a bit different if it is shoulder arm, or shoulder

A Veal Rib Chop would be for grilling/skillet fry.   I know there are Veal Shoulder Chops as a cut, I haven't cooked with those cuts before.   I'm not sure which exact cut you have.

I have had Veal brain before.  yeah,   not good. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 25, 2018, 02:02:46 PM
This thread is starting to look like it should morph into the recipe thread that has been neglected here since we started this site.

Veal shoulder chop..

I'd sear the hell out of it and then braise it.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 25, 2018, 08:20:59 PM
This thread is starting to look like it should morph into the recipe thread that has been neglected here since we started this site.

Veal shoulder chop..

I'd sear the hell out of it and then braise it.
Except for all the complaints about things people don't like... :)
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 26, 2018, 10:54:09 AM
Fearless...

Agreed about the bone. But then why not just buy a bone-in strip and not mess with the filet side of it at all?
I have done that and more often ordered bone-in strips at a steakhouse.  Unless I ask the butcher to cut strips that way they aren't usually available.  Especially at the Grocery.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 26, 2018, 11:17:01 AM
Usually there's only one T-Bone in the bunch that has a decent size filet, and the rest might as well be a bone-in strip. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: bayareabadger on April 26, 2018, 06:59:23 PM
I was a super picky eater as a kid. Super picky.

Then I got to college and realized I would be too embarrassed to be that weird about food around new friends. I slowly realized you could learn to eat anything if you tried. That doesn't mean I don't prefer some things, but everything is in range.

Also, at some point in college, I realized I ate just a ton of beef and tried to do less of that. I've gotten pretty good at avoiding it unless there's just nothing on the menu that I want that doesn't have it, or something I REALLY want that has it. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 26, 2018, 09:55:46 PM
trying to eat LESS beef?!?!?!?
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 27, 2018, 12:18:39 AM


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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on April 27, 2018, 08:26:50 AM
trying to eat LESS beef?!?!?!?
Yeah, that's weird. :93:
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2018, 10:30:27 AM
I wish prices were reversed for beef and pork

nothing wrong with a good cut of pork, but beef is just better
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2018, 10:32:11 AM
I do know a couple guys that won't eat birds of any kind.

Won't touch chicken, turkey, goose, or duck.  But they will eat eggs.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on April 27, 2018, 01:20:25 PM
A woman in her upper 50s in our office makes herself hot pockets or pizza pockets about 3 days a week.  I find that odd.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Cincydawg on April 27, 2018, 02:10:27 PM
The wife and I stopped at a nice looking place in the Camargue for lunch a few years back.  (The Camargue is sort of a French version of the Okeefenokee.)  Sort of.  Anyway, I'm think we're near the Med, I'll have fish, and I see "seiche" on the menu and ask he what it is and she replies "A kind of fish." so I order it, only to be surprised.

A buddy of mine calls clams and oysters and whatever "helmets with buggers", which is what comes in a typical French dinner called "fruite de Mer".  Had that once at Mont St. Michel, which by the way is worth seeing.

The wife likes fish eggs that they call "caviar" for some reason.  I am a bit partial to escargot if they are good and not rubbery, they can be like bad squid.  The French also have a panache for stinking cheese.  They have more than 365 kinds of cheese generally referred to by location location and something else.

The also of course are partial to organ meat like cow brains (sweetbreads, I forget what they call it) and kidney and liver.

Of course down south we eat weeds cooked in a pressure cooker with "streak-lean".  Collards, turnip greens, you name it, plus corn bread with chitlins, or chitterlings.  We also eat something called "barbecue" which is where one takes a less than choice piece of pig and cooks it at low T for hours and hours.  I know northerners think barbecue is what you do to a steak by they are sadly mistaken.

Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 27, 2018, 02:46:05 PM

Yeah, I still can't believe that southerners actually eat chitterlings and pigs feet. 
(Although that's not sounding so bad all of a sudden, after that breakdown of the French cuisine)
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 27, 2018, 02:47:47 PM
I cringe when I hear people say "I'm having a BBQ tomorrow" and if I'd like to come. I ask about the kind of smoker they use and what kind of rub, etc. Then I get a look like I have 3 eyeballs or something.

It's not a BBQ, dumbass. You're using a grill as part of a cookout. Loser.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2018, 04:01:04 PM
Yeah, I still can't believe that southerners actually eat chitterlings and pigs feet.
(Although that's not sounding so bad all of a sudden, after that breakdown of the French cuisine)
pigs feet aren't bad, there's meat there
Chitterlings are to be used as casings for meat, not eaten without being stuffed with sausage
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2018, 04:02:00 PM
A woman in her upper 50s in our office makes herself hot pockets or pizza pockets about 3 days a week.  I find that odd.
those things are NOT good, used to feed them to my kids
not grown up food
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 27, 2018, 04:05:53 PM
pigs feet aren't bad, there's meat there
Chitterlings are to be used as casings for meat, not eaten without being stuffed with sausage
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 27, 2018, 04:16:51 PM
The smell of chitlins alone is enough to keep this dude far from them.  They aren't fit for a dog.  Those innards have one purpose alone outside a living critter, and its casings.  

My wife's family calls sloppy Joes bbq... It boggles the mind how they came to that. 

How about pasties? Any of y'all do those things?  They're definitely a northern wisky and UP thing.  Not bad, but I wouldnt go out of my way to get one... 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 27, 2018, 04:25:24 PM
Yeah, I still can't believe that southerners actually eat chitterlings and pigs feet.
(Although that's not sounding so bad all of a sudden, after that breakdown of the French cuisine)
I always steered clear of that stuff - including gibblet gravy.  Organs are gnarly and should either be tossed out or used as fish bait.
Growing up, we'd visit my grandma's house in rural GA.  While I know it's impossible, I still believe the huge jar of pickled pig's feet at the gas station counter by her house was the same jar with the same pig's feet for over a decade.  Ughghh.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2018, 04:27:13 PM
sloppy joes are BBQ B cause there's BBQ sauce in em

hah, pasties?!!?

ya mean like  tiddy oggin?
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 27, 2018, 04:27:18 PM
I cringe when I hear people say "I'm having a BBQ tomorrow" and if I'd like to come. I ask about the kind of smoker they use and what kind of rub, etc. Then I get a look like I have 3 eyeballs or something.

It's not a BBQ, dumbass. You're using a grill as part of a cookout. Loser.
Grilling needs to replace BBQing in most people's lexicon.  You can grill something in under an hour.  You can get hungry and have time to grill something and eat it.  
BBQing is pre-hunger with a plan, blueprints, rubs, smoke, wood, and many hours.  
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 27, 2018, 04:31:09 PM
pigs feet aren't bad, there's meat there
Chitterlings are to be used as casings for meat, not eaten without being stuffed with sausage
Pigs feet? No way I'm putting a foot in my mouth... heh.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2018, 04:33:56 PM
ya don't have to put the entire thing in there at once

and besides, just because the hog's feet were ankle deep in manure it's entire life, doesn't mean they can't be rinsed off and cooked to perfection
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: bayareabadger on April 27, 2018, 04:37:49 PM
How about pasties? Any of y'all do those things?  They're definitely a northern wisky and UP thing.  Not bad, but I wouldnt go out of my way to get one...
There’s a place in Madison near the capital that sells em. I’m a fan.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on April 27, 2018, 04:44:24 PM
I'll eat haggis or scrapple.  It handled properly I find it to be an enjoyable taste curveball.

A pasty is more or less a poor mans Runza (without the irrational exuberance of a Nebraska native).  :)
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 27, 2018, 04:49:46 PM
There’s a place in Madison near the capital that sells em. I’m a fan.
Teddywedger?
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 27, 2018, 05:17:01 PM
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 27, 2018, 05:20:28 PM
I wish prices were reversed for beef and pork

nothing wrong with a good cut of pork, but beef is just better

Agreed. I like pork. Don't get me wrong. Pork is delicious. 

But pork ain't steak. 

I do know a couple guys that won't eat birds of any kind.

Won't touch chicken, turkey, goose, or duck.  But they will eat eggs.

My wife is actually allergic to poultry (but no longer allergic to eggs). So she can't eat bird unless she wants me to be holding her hair over the porcelain throne all night.

But somehow I'm guessing these guys aren't doing this due to allergy.

Per the above point about pork/beef, the only thing that I don't like about her allergy is the fact that chicken is dirt cheap. I like it less than either pork or beef, but it's a good cheap protein to use in a lot of recipes. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2018, 05:22:49 PM
perhaps those guys are allergic to poultry, don't know it, but for that reason have learned to stay away from fowl

didn't think of that
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 27, 2018, 05:28:07 PM
I always steered clear of that stuff - including gibblet gravy.  Organs are gnarly and should either be tossed out or used as fish bait.
Growing up, we'd visit my grandma's house in rural GA.  While I know it's impossible, I still believe the huge jar of pickled pig's feet at the gas station counter by her house was the same jar with the same pig's feet for over a decade.  Ughghh.

What's up with the whole "semi-boneless" disclaimer? 
If you are going to remove some of the bones, why not remove all of them while you are at it?
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 27, 2018, 05:32:29 PM
Value pack... LMAO
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on April 27, 2018, 06:22:40 PM
Cuz they can't guarantee some fleck of bone isnt in the meat.  Same reason labels talk about they may have touched nuts in the production even if there are no nuts .  Plus the gluten free disclosures.   Lawyers, we're everywhere!
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 27, 2018, 06:23:58 PM
I wish prices were reversed for beef and pork

nothing wrong with a good cut of pork, but beef is just better
Not BBQed.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: bayareabadger on April 27, 2018, 06:47:56 PM
Teddywedger?
Bingo
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 27, 2018, 06:54:35 PM
Cuz they can't guarantee some fleck of bone isnt in the meat.  Same reason labels talk about they may have touched nuts in the production even if there are no nuts .  Plus the gluten free disclosures.   Lawyers, we're everywhere!
Then why don't they put that disclaimer on all meat products? 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2018, 07:24:28 PM
Not BBQed.
I disagree
beef ribs are superior to pork ribs
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 27, 2018, 07:50:51 PM
I like pork ribs, but will take a brisket over pulled pork any day. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 27, 2018, 07:56:59 PM
I've never had brisket as moist as some BBQed pork shoulder, chopped and shredded.  But that's just me.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2018, 08:20:31 PM
Maybe you should BBQ a beef shoulder, chop it and shred

brisket can be very moist and tender, but it's not a comparable cut to a pork butt
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 27, 2018, 09:23:13 PM
Beef shoulder? Isn't that where the flat iron comes from?

I used to poo poo those things. Not so much now.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 27, 2018, 09:23:52 PM
I've never had brisket as moist as some BBQed pork shoulder, chopped and shredded.  But that's just me.
You need to find a new brisket joint, amigo.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 27, 2018, 09:48:30 PM
i was just notified yesterday my ecoque gen 2 will be delivered next week...

I've been wide slam open with all the crap going on at home (massive renovations continue) and work (the world just won't let me rest- nobody want's to just get along), and i've been neglecting the finer things... when that oven is on the ground here, and assembled- had it's break in burn- you can believe it's going into immediate use.  

again i'll make this offer/post this warning order:
i have multiple fresh seafood sources- fresh as in literally just out of the drink within hours, and i can ship. this region is known for their b-liners (red snapper) grouper, mahi, yellowfin tuna (all bluefin goes to Japan) shark and swordfish, flounder, shellfish of all sorts, and shrimp... Also, i have a source for northern Angus who will also ship.  As a 'for instance', i have a 18# 'prime' standing ribeye (bones in) in the freezer i think i paid $10/pound for... just finding a prime cut is almost impossible because restaurants snatch them up for both prime rib as well as top end ribeye tomahawk steaks... not just limited to fine cuts, though- he has them all... he is a small family owned butchery that caters exclusively to higher end restaurants (and me/us, soon enough). 

When everything settles elsewhere in my world enough for me to focus, there will be a webpage owned and operated by the page owners here, heavily advertised here, and with intent to support our habit here-  fresh high quality beef, pork, sausages, the best brats you've ever had, hotdogs that transcend anything i've ever had out of a grocery store, burgers, and seafood.  product availability and prices will be updated daily... the only thing i don't like about the model is seafood will come from one location, and the critters from another.  the prices will be good/great, though, and the product fantastic....

there is just something about those slow growing grain fed shaggy ass northern mid-west Angus that is far superior to others (except Kobe/Wagyu 'Japanese Black' - that stuff can't be touched).  honestly, seafood to me is seafood- so long as it's fresh i can't tell you i can discern one region for another... insofar as 'fresh' is concerned, though, there is zero contest between it and frozen or gawd help you processed.

i'm aiming to have the site up and running by the beginning of the only season that matters... this site is working well now, so attention can be shifted to these supporting sites quickly (once life settles down). 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2018, 09:57:51 PM
I haven't baked shark in 10 years or better, but I did enjoy it.

I don't notice it at my grocery meat counter, but admit I haven't been searching for it
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2018, 10:01:27 PM
Beef shoulder? Isn't that where the flat iron comes from?

I used to poo poo those things. Not so much now.
yes, the shoulder.  
Just imagine a top blade roast on the smoker for 5 or 6 hours.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 27, 2018, 10:05:43 PM
shark is good stuff- very dense, but very peculiar... you better cook it inside three days or you may as well toss it. freezing it is a bad idea- it will continue to chemically cook, just slower.  shrimp, on the other hand, can be frozen thawed and frozen again and again with little issue- you just have to chill them to tighten them back up.. that's a no go with fish, and freezing shark once ruins it... same with swordfish- which is even more dense than shark.  

i forgot trout and redfish (puppy drum), as well as black drum (fantastic for stews) and blue crab... Maryland gets the majority of their blue crab from here- and when they are in soft shell? just. plain. good.  i'm a big fan of scallops too- not bay scallops but the sea scallops about the diameter of a golf ball- they absorb the flavor of whatever they touch which can make some interesting and never-dull pairings.    
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2018, 10:09:58 PM
the shark I used to bake in my oven had a taste and texture a little like beef - yes, very dense

seemed easy to cook

just took my butcher's advice - didn't google for recipes much way back then
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 27, 2018, 10:17:06 PM
the best fish in the ocean you'll never see behind a counter... extremely hard to find... in fact, you have to catch it yourself or have a very good friend willing to share... Cobia.  some call it lemon fish, and it does have a decidedly lemon-y quality to it.  it's very light and white, and flaky.  i'm not a huge fan of fish to be honest, but i'll pass over a 26oz prime bone in ribeye for 8oz of cobia- if for no other reason that it's just plain hard to get. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 28, 2018, 12:11:56 AM
Not BBQed.
Umm no, false. Horribly, terribly false.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 28, 2018, 12:35:54 AM
Maybe you should BBQ a beef shoulder, chop it and shred

brisket can be very moist and tender, but it's not a comparable cut to a pork butt
No, no need at all for that. I mean, beef shoulder clod is tasty and plenty nice to BBQ and eat, and is certainly a more comparable cut to pork butt/pork shoulder.  But the shredded pork butt/shoulder is also typically sauced before serving which makes it wetter by definition.  And not only that, it's typically sauced with that crappy vinegar-based crap that's common in the Carolinas and other southeastern locations.
Personally I've made a crap-ton of BBQ pork and the thing is, it's much much MUCH better without those crappy sauces thrown back in.  If you want to make the most delicious pulled pork ever, just throw a 1/2 foil pan underneath while you cook, reserve the juices, and reintroduce them into the product immediately after shredding and immediately before serving.  That method is 1000% better than mixing the shredded pork with some crappy gross vinegar sauce that idiots in the southeast feel is necessary.  I'm not kidding at all.
But beyond that, a full packer brisket is absolutely the perfectly formed combination of meat, fat, and connective tissue.  When properly cooked at low temperature, both the fatty point ("moist") and the lean portion ("flat") have the exactly perfect proportions to produce tender, juicy, delicious beefy goodness.
I'll readily admit that outside of Texas, a lot of BBQ places don't get brisket right, which is sad and a little frustrating because it's a really easy cut to cook.  It just takes the right hardware (most everybody has) and the correct patience (almost nobody has).
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 28, 2018, 12:48:59 AM
I do however 100% agree with OAF and badgerfan that people need to understand that BBQ is not an event you invite friends over for (unless they're minding your pit for 6-12 hours) and it's certainly not grilling burgers and hot dogs for a group of friends.  Which is a totally fun thing to do.  And it's called grilling.  Not BBQ.

Putting the specifics of BBQ aside, this thread has hit on a ton of other interesting things.

CD's description of French cuisine is spot-on and initially I'll admit I wasn't the keenest.  But after trying them, I found that I loved organ meats (foi gras and liver pate' especially), I loved snails (escargot) when cooked properly as CD pointed out, because otherwise it can be like bad calamari, I loved stinky cheese (I already knew that beforehand to be honest), and I became totally open to other things.  For example rabbit stew is a staple over there and it's crazy-delicious.  And duck and goose in almost any form are popular, and extremely well done.
   
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: bayareabadger on April 28, 2018, 01:39:16 AM

No, no need at all for that. I mean, beef shoulder clod is tasty and plenty nice to BBQ and eat, and is certainly a more comparable cut to pork butt/pork shoulder.  But the shredded pork butt/shoulder is also typically sauced before serving which makes it wetter by definition.  And not only that, it's typically sauced with that crappy vinegar-based crap that's common in the Carolinas and other southeastern locations.

Personally I've made a crap-ton of BBQ pork and the thing is, it's much much MUCH better without those crappy sauces thrown back in.  If you want to make the most delicious pulled pork ever, just throw a 1/2 foil pan underneath while you cook, reserve the juices, and reintroduce them into the product immediately after shredding and immediately before serving.  That method is 1000% better than mixing the shredded pork with some crappy gross vinegar sauce that idiots in the southeast feel is necessary.  I'm not kidding at all.

But beyond that, a full packer brisket is absolutely the perfectly formed combination of meat, fat, and connective tissue.  When properly cooked at low temperature, both the fatty point ("moist") and the lean portion ("flat") have the exactly perfect proportions to produce tender, juicy, delicious beefy goodness.
I'll readily admit that outside of Texas, a lot of BBQ places don't get brisket right, which is sad and a little frustrating because it's a really easy cut to cook.  It just takes the right hardware (most everybody has) and the correct patience (almost nobody has).
I live in pulled pork country. When it's good, it'd good, though I'm a sucker for the SC mustard sauce (I'm a sucker for any great mustard product. Vinegar is fine, but not much more). The BBQ buffet is true wonder. I also stopped caring about the BBQ-cook out debate. It was fine til twitter got all hot an bothered. Call things what you will. Life's too short to care, and any place that calls it a BBQ lacks good enough BBQ for me to care. 
I'll ride for good brisket. My town has maybe one restaurant that serves it, not well, but one dude goes to Texas to learn it right, and he is only open a few days a month. I've not done his beef rib, as it's absurdly expensive. I've only done one beed rib. I'd drank enough to not be thrifty. It wasn't great because the place was hipster enough to serve, but not skilled enough for it not to suck. At some point I'll drop $21 a pound for it, god help me.
(The last time I visited Texas, I went with the Texas Monthly BBQ top 50 when I could. Had a couple good spots, plus torchy's for a Sunday breakfast. It was a good trip, save for the place in Fort Worth running out of Beef Rib a few customers ahead of me.)
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 28, 2018, 08:13:45 AM
I'm thinking @Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1) needs to open up a seafood store on the CFB51 front page.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 28, 2018, 09:09:23 AM
Dang, @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) ,  that was the grandest degrading of vinegar based sauce ever I heard!! 

But... Its overdone here.  Its swimming in the stuff.  When it accents its not bad.  Red wine vinegar with red pepper and hot sauce splashed while cooking a whole pig intended to be shredded isn't bad.  Dousing a plate is.   Its like ordering a burger from a fast food joint and getting something swimming in condiments... It was bad to begin with, hiding it in condiments only somewhat hides that fact and makes it terrible for another reason altogether. 

Other places use ketchup based stuff... Same thing... Its good when used as an accent. Killing the flavor of the beef or pork or even chicken is hiding flaws in prep.  Like using trim on woodworking projects.. It hides lack of quality. 

Anyway... I'll eat it.  Just like I'll gobble down some Texas styled bbq.  Its like the blues.  I like some chicago big production blues and bb coaxing notes out of Lucille, and it doesn't diminish my taste for delta blues with scratchy acoustic slides Johnson style one bit.  Neither detract from blues as interpreted by white boys Stevie ray Vaughn or the allmans... So... Dang... Take it easy on others tastes. Amiright?

 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 28, 2018, 07:28:50 PM
I like you drew, a lot.

I sometimes dislike you though because you're far too reasonable.  You're like the younger kinder gentler version of me, except I think we're probably pretty close to the same age so I have no excuse to retain more old-man-yelling-at-clouds syndrome than you.

Regardless, yes, I might have been overly harsh on the Carolina style vinegary pulled pork. I actually like it and have eaten my fair share over the years.

But I'll stand on my statement that capturing the cooking juices and reintroducing them is better than saucing them before serving.  I could see maybe adding a splash of vinegar to brighten the flavor, and if that's what most places did I'd have zero room for complaint.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 28, 2018, 07:39:00 PM
I live in pulled pork country. When it's good, it'd good, though I'm a sucker for the SC mustard sauce (I'm a sucker for any great mustard product. Vinegar is fine, but not much more). The BBQ buffet is true wonder. I also stopped caring about the BBQ-cook out debate. It was fine til twitter got all hot an bothered. Call things what you will. Life's too short to care, and any place that calls it a BBQ lacks good enough BBQ for me to care.
I'll ride for good brisket. My town has maybe one restaurant that serves it, not well, but one dude goes to Texas to learn it right, and he is only open a few days a month. I've not done his beef rib, as it's absurdly expensive. I've only done one beed rib. I'd drank enough to not be thrifty. It wasn't great because the place was hipster enough to serve, but not skilled enough for it not to suck. At some point I'll drop $21 a pound for it, god help me.
(The last time I visited Texas, I went with the Texas Monthly BBQ top 50 when I could. Had a couple good spots, plus torchy's for a Sunday breakfast. It was a good trip, save for the place in Fort Worth running out of Beef Rib a few customers ahead of me.)
So I forget after all these years but you've now left the bay area for where?  
You make an excellent point and I can't help but agree when you say, "...any place that calls it a BBQ lacks good enough BBQ for me to care."  I can not argue with that!
And yes, it's extremely painful to pay $20+ per pound for beef rib.  The raw cut itself has become extremely expensive in recent years, and BBQ pitmasters also don't really like to cook it because the amount of space it takes on the pit and its effective yield are WAY below things like brisket and pork butt, so the opportunity cost of cooking it is also extremely pricey for them.
That's one of the main reasons I've perfected cooking it for myself.  I can occasionally stumble over a great deal where I get it for close to $2/lb raw, and I stock up when I do.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 28, 2018, 07:41:59 PM

I had a delicious ribeye today, so kudos to whichever one of you suggested it. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on April 28, 2018, 11:49:32 PM
 besides, just because the hog's feet were ankle deep in manure it's entire life, doesn't mean they can't be rinsed off and cooked to perfection
Somehow I don't think that's the idea The National Pork Producers Council is pushing for in Ad campaigns
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 29, 2018, 12:34:51 PM
Of course you put the drippings back in the meat.
Of course you don't douse it in sauce.

I know I have a bias.  And I love all smoked meats.  For me, turkey is severely underrated when it comes to slow-cooking in a pit.  The flavor explodes when cooked that way.  But rural GA pulled pork that is finely shredded and flavored with a vinegar/tomato-based sauce is IT.  Most every place I've tried the mustard-based Carolina style smothers it ungodly amounts, and I don't know why.  

Brisket is great.  Ribs - I'll eat until they're gone.  Hell, what can you cook on low heat for 6 hours and have it not taste great???
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 29, 2018, 01:09:28 PM
I'm thinking @Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1) needs to open up a seafood store on the CFB51 front page.
Cioppino
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 29, 2018, 01:21:58 PM
Somehow I don't think that's the idea The National Pork Producers Council is pushing for in Ad campaigns
headquartered in Des Moines, Iowa
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 29, 2018, 03:03:14 PM
I had a delicious ribeye today, so kudos to whichever one of you suggested it.
Got one planned for tomorrow.
As for beef ribs, yeah I wouldn't want to buy those at $20/lb at a restaurant. Not when I can get good ones at Costco for ~$8/lb.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 29, 2018, 08:29:05 PM
Got one planned for tomorrow.
As for beef ribs, yeah I wouldn't want to buy those at $20/lb at a restaurant. Not when I can get good ones at Costco for ~$8/lb.
Well I mean, I can buy excellent prime steak for $16/lb, and the same steak at a high-end steak house will cost me $50.  Beef rib isn't any different, you're not paying for the raw meat, you're paying for the preparation, and perhaps the atmosphere. 
Honestly, I'm a lot more likely to pay the relatively modest markup for beef rib, compared to the exorbitant markup for prime steak.  BBQ beef ribs take 6-9 hours to produce, just for the cook, while the equivalent high-end steak takes about 8-10 minutes to cook to my preferred temperature.
I get what you're saying, because as I said earlier the skyrocketing beef prices are what finally forced me to perfect BBQ beef ribs on my own, but comparing the time/value of BBQ beef rib vs, prime steak, the rib is a bargain.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 29, 2018, 08:49:27 PM
Prime steaks cost much more than that here, but then again most of the prime beef we get here is generally from Nebraska and Western Iowa. Much better than anywhere else in the world.

 :67:
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 29, 2018, 08:59:33 PM
Wow, you're overpaying badly. I feel sorry for you. :(

Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 29, 2018, 09:38:01 PM
I miss fresh seafood.  

The last time I was back in Jacksonville, I had some time to kill and visited where we used to get ours, fresh off the boat.  The little shack had been replaced with a huge fresh seafood joint.  Someone that worked there had at least heard of the little place that used to be there, so that was nice.

I'm sure the new (could be 15 years old for all I know) place is great and fresh and all, but it was giant and corporate.  There was something nice about being able to see out the back door of the shack and see the guys carrying in their catch from the boat.  Ah well.  

RIP Miss Becky's Seafood.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 29, 2018, 11:18:19 PM
I don't dine out often because it's expensive

when I do, I don't mind paying a premium for a great dry aged steak or a smoked beef long rib

I won't pay high prices out for pasta, chicken, or pork

well, I'll over pay for good hot wings
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 30, 2018, 07:19:21 AM
Margins for most proteins are really not that great at restaurants. They make their money on pastas (and stuff), but mostly on bottles of wine and cocktails, because there is no prep, no other ingredients, no labor.

There's a place by us that has their "house" wine at $35/bottle. I can get it for $8 at the store 2 blocks away, if I buy a case, which I generally do. The restaurant probably gets it for $5 or less.

It's a very nice red blend for the price. Rosso by Ca'Momi, out of Cali.

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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 30, 2018, 10:04:51 AM
I'm not a fan of corkage fees either
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 30, 2018, 03:08:03 PM
Well I mean, I can buy excellent prime steak for $16/lb, and the same steak at a high-end steak house will cost me $50.  Beef rib isn't any different, you're not paying for the raw meat, you're paying for the preparation, and perhaps the atmosphere.
Honestly, I'm a lot more likely to pay the relatively modest markup for beef rib, compared to the exorbitant markup for prime steak.  BBQ beef ribs take 6-9 hours to produce, just for the cook, while the equivalent high-end steak takes about 8-10 minutes to cook to my preferred temperature.
I get what you're saying, because as I said earlier the skyrocketing beef prices are what finally forced me to perfect BBQ beef ribs on my own, but comparing the time/value of BBQ beef rib vs, prime steak, the rib is a bargain.

Well, here in Southern California, finding ANYPLACE with good BBQ is tough. I'm not sure I know of any restaurants that not only make acceptable BBQ, but actually make BBQ beef short ribs too. Certainly not any better than I can make myself. About the only BBQ dish I'll eat around here is pulled pork. I don't even trust baby back ribs at local joints compared to my backyard.
I rarely eat out at high-end steakhouses, either, but I know that when I do, I'm going to get a stellar product. I can grill a good steak, but I'm not as good as the cooks at Mastro's--or occasionally as good but not as consistently so--and I don't think I can get the same quality beef. Even my awesome local high-end butcher (ribeye $21.99/lb and never disappoints) doesn't have dry-aged meat that's on par with the best steakhouses.

Still, I trust my backyard to produce better steak than all but the high-end steakhouses. I ate at an Outback about 2 years ago (first time in a LONG time) and I won't go back for steak. If I'd served that to a guest at my house, I might as well slit my wrists, because I'd have shamed my family name.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 30, 2018, 03:15:07 PM
Margins for most proteins are really not that great at restaurants. They make their money on pastas (and stuff), but mostly on bottles of wine and cocktails, because there is no prep, no other ingredients, no labor.

There's a place by us that has their "house" wine at $35/bottle. I can get it for $8 at the store 2 blocks away, if I buy a case, which I generally do. The restaurant probably gets it for $5 or less.

It's a very nice red blend for the price. Rosso by Ca'Momi, out of Cali.


You'd be surprised what the restaurants pay. I know a guy who bought a restaurant here in California, and he was paying equal or more for beer/wine/liquor compared to what I could get at BevMo / Total Wine / Costco. 

Basically they're barred from buying from anyone other than a distributor (you can't buy at Costco and then resell it) and the distributors aren't really competing against each other on price -- largely because at least for beer, they have no competition for a specific label. Each brewery only distributes through one distributor.

I'm not a fan of corkage fees either

Agreed. There's a local wine bar here that my wife and I love [we got engaged there and then said our vows in the US there]. One thing that always bothered me was that they were also a retail wine shop, and if you bought a bottle, you had to pay a corkage fee if you wanted to drink it there. She and I just became members of their wine club, though, and one of the perks of membership is that all the corkage fees are waived.

I sometimes understand a restaurant charging you a corkage fee if you bring your own wine, but if you bought the wine in their retail shop it always seemed weird to have a corkage fee.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 30, 2018, 03:15:35 PM
The worst pulled pork I've ever had was in Utah. 

It was slightly better than a Manwich. 

The only available side was green jello with raisins, shredded carrots and cottage cheese suspended inside of it. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on April 30, 2018, 04:22:27 PM
You're a brave man. I wouldn't ever even contemplate ordering pulled pork in Utah. ;)
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 30, 2018, 04:34:09 PM

I rarely eat out at high-end steakhouses, either, but I know that when I do, I'm going to get a stellar product. I can grill a good steak, but I'm not as good as the cooks at Mastro's--or occasionally as good but not as consistently so--and I don't think I can get the same quality beef. Even my awesome local high-end butcher (ribeye $21.99/lb and never disappoints) doesn't have dry-aged meat that's on par with the best steakhouses.

Still, I trust my backyard to produce better steak than all but the high-end steakhouses. I ate at an Outback about 2 years ago (first time in a LONG time) and I won't go back for steak. If I'd served that to a guest at my house, I might as well slit my wrists, because I'd have shamed my family name.
I'm pretty good at grilling a steak, but I can't dry age steaks like my favorite steak houses.
the Outback Steakhouse here does a great job with fresh cut steaks. I always go with the Melbourne T-bone, Blue Cheese Wedge Salad, and the Broccoli & Cheese.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 30, 2018, 04:34:40 PM
The worst pulled pork I've ever had was in Utah.

It was slightly better than a Manwich.

The only available side was green jello with raisins, shredded carrots and cottage cheese suspended inside of it.
I wish I wouldn't have read this post
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 30, 2018, 04:45:15 PM
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 30, 2018, 05:34:24 PM
You'd be surprised what the restaurants pay. 
It's not like that here. Of course, they must purchase from distributors but they don't pay what we pay at the liquor store - who must buy from the same people the restaurants do.

Restaurants make money on booze here. Lots and lots of money. 

BYO is an option at maybe 5 percent of the establishments here.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 30, 2018, 05:52:40 PM
the Outback Steakhouse here does a great job with fresh cut steaks. I always go with the Melbourne T-bone, Blue Cheese Wedge Salad, and the Broccoli & Cheese.
Nope. I don't mind a bloomin' onion, and the bread they bring out before a meal is nice. Not sure if I've had their wedge, but I'd go for that. Hard to screw up iceberg lettuce, blue cheese, bacon and tomato. But if I find cause to go back, I'll probably stick with a burger or something, because I ain't touching their steak.

It's not like that here. Of course, they must purchase from distributors but they don't pay what we pay at the liquor store - who must buy from the same people the restaurants do.

Restaurants make money on booze here. Lots and lots of money.

BYO is an option at maybe 5 percent of the establishments here.
To be fair, restaurants make lots of money on booze here too. If you figure a keg of craft beer (~120 pints) costs them maybe $150, and they're selling pints for $6 each, I think they're doing alright. Definitely high margin. And then the kegs of macro lager are cheaper, but they sell them for $5 each, and they're still doing fine.

I'm just saying that it's not like they're paying some ridiculously low price for alcohol, relative to the big box booze stores around here. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 30, 2018, 05:58:09 PM
25-40 percent less is the number here. That's where I came up with $5 for a bottle I pay $8 for. Big mark up to drink it there, and no BYO option.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 30, 2018, 09:00:40 PM
Bars and restaurants here can purchase many things cheaper at Sam's club than through their distributors

but, they pay less than a buck a bottle or can of beer.  resell for $3  

tap beer is where the $$$ is.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on April 30, 2018, 09:11:23 PM
Yes. The Brewpub model is where it's at for high margin beer production.  Serve passable food and some good brew and  it's a license to print money.  Decide to can or bottle that beer and you've introduced all kinds of costs to the model.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on April 30, 2018, 09:16:11 PM
tapping kegs of Bud Light and Coors light is very lucrative as well
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: bayareabadger on May 01, 2018, 12:09:43 AM
So I forget after all these years but you've now left the bay area for where?  
You make an excellent point and I can't help but agree when you say, "...any place that calls it a BBQ lacks good enough BBQ for me to care."  I can not argue with that!
And yes, it's extremely painful to pay $20+ per pound for beef rib.  The raw cut itself has become extremely expensive in recent years, and BBQ pitmasters also don't really like to cook it because the amount of space it takes on the pit and its effective yield are WAY below things like brisket and pork butt, so the opportunity cost of cooking it is also extremely pricey for them.
That's one of the main reasons I've perfected cooking it for myself.  I can occasionally stumble over a great deal where I get it for close to $2/lb raw, and I stock up when I do.

I feel bad because my dad is partial to heavy food and every time I go home, he's found some new "BBQ" place. And the food is usually good meat product, but it ain't BBQ. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on May 01, 2018, 09:32:41 AM
I'm not a fan of corkage fees either
Hey what happens in Vegas stays in vegas
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 01, 2018, 10:14:41 AM
Bars and restaurants here can purchase many things cheaper at Sam's club than through their distributors

but, they pay less than a buck a bottle or can of beer.  resell for $3  

tap beer is where the $$$ is.
Not here. Three companies and the unions have the full-on cartel model in place.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 01, 2018, 10:29:33 AM
well, the bars here "can" , but are not supposed to.  tough to enforce

they can't buy everything that way, regulators would get wary, but some do purchase a percentage of their supplies that way.

Convenience and price
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Drew4UTk on May 01, 2018, 10:58:32 AM
california enacted an OTP tax- "other tobacco products" which collected a 65% tax at the wholesale rack for customers of manufacturers and distributors who reside in Cali... 

i made a bushel selling "retail" at a 10% GM (which means i didn't retain records from customers purchases) to stores in Cali... I figured what they were doing, but...... their business, not mine.  a box of cigars are 'keystoned' for retail, meaning if you purchase from manufacturer for $100, it retails for $200... selling individual as opposed to boxes is greater than keystone... the cali buyers buying the same box of cigars i purchased from manufacturer for $102 (my state has a 2% tax on OTP) they had a minimum of $170 invested. buying from me put their costs into the >$120 range..... i aimed for volume and outfitting smaller cigar shops who didn't move enough product to get to the more exclusive labels... the cali buyers took advantage of that.  their taking advantage made me some bucks... it was good all around, except for the state and a bunch of clowns in their legislation who thought they were clever- they actually harmed their state greatly.  

most locally owned restaurants around here are keystone operations- running a 50%GM on all the products they move at a minimum.  it goes up from there... which brings me to something that ought to be in the "things i hate" thread in the BigVII board:

I hate restaurants that ENTER business thinking they're 'exclusive' or 'high end'... that is something EARNED- not 'declared'.  but that isn't how it works down here- these places open with $35 plates of pasta with overdone seafood covered in sauce from a jar, and well dressed servers in a decent atmosphere, and think they've arrived... meanwhile, there are high school kids cooking in the kitchen.   
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 01, 2018, 02:17:47 PM
I hate restaurants that ENTER business thinking they're 'exclusive' or 'high end'... that is something EARNED- not 'declared'.  but that isn't how it works down here- these places open with $35 plates of pasta with overdone seafood covered in sauce from a jar, and well dressed servers in a decent atmosphere, and think they've arrived... meanwhile, there are high school kids cooking in the kitchen.  
marketing
and obviously the consumers aren't savvy enough to know the difference
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 01, 2018, 02:19:37 PM
and please spam the Big XII thread

they could use the traffic
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 01, 2018, 02:24:05 PM
pertaining to this thread a while back...............

Huskers’ new quarterbacks coach, Verduzco, a native of Pittsburg, Calif., participated in a round of a modified Proust Questionnaire. The questionnaire was made popular by French novelist Marcel Proust, who believed answering these questions would reveal a person’s true self.

Q: What do you consider as your favorite meal?

MV: Pasta. Absolutely bolognese, and I can get after it now. I can cook anything you want. It’s also so relaxing because you’re only thinking about the task at hand. You know there is nothing else in your brain. For me, cooking is relaxation. It’s awesome.

One of the selling points when we’re recruiting a quarterback is that I tell them when they come over for dinner, I’ll cook them any Italian food they want. That’s awesome. They’re sold. It’s a done deal.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 01, 2018, 03:28:01 PM
and please spam the Big XII thread

they could use the traffic
There was a time when we had all the best food talk on the B12 board.  But the times they are a'changin...
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 01, 2018, 10:57:30 PM
Amen
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 02, 2018, 03:13:30 PM
I have yet to find a BBQ joint in AZ that has both hush puppies and sweet tea.  The closest was one that had sweet tea and jalapeno-infused hush puppies, but that doesn't count.

However, a place right by my school, called Mingo's, had normal hush puppies and serves sweet tea, but didn't have any tea ready when I visited.  It's like the southern gods are messing with me.

Good shrimp n catfish po boy, though.  
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 02, 2018, 03:23:12 PM
Couldn't you just dump a bunch of sugar packets into the normal tea? 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 02, 2018, 06:17:42 PM
I'm not a fan of hush puppies or sweet tea.

The hush puppies that come along with fish n' chips go wasted on my plate.

I'll take a Long Island Ice Tea, please.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 02, 2018, 06:18:51 PM
Never understood the po boy thing either.

Let's see. Take a perfectly good batch of fried oysters (carbed up, of course) and add more carbs with bread.

WTF.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 02, 2018, 08:02:57 PM
I'm not a fan of hush puppies or sweet tea.

The hush puppies that come along with fish n' chips go wasted on my plate.

I'll take a Long Island Ice Tea, please.
When I was 19 I went to Niagara Falls. Since that's the drinking age in Canada, I bellied up to the bar, and ordered a Long Island Iced Tea. 
She looked at me sideways for a few seconds, and finally said "We're, um, out of iced tea."
So apparently they have no idea what a Long Island Iced Tea is up there. Kind of strange, since they are just outside of NY State. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 02, 2018, 09:19:49 PM
When I was 19 I went to Niagara Falls. Since that's the drinking age in Canada, I bellied up to the bar, and ordered a Long Island Iced Tea.
She looked at me sideways for a few seconds, and finally said "We're, um, out of iced tea."
So apparently they have no idea what a Long Island Iced Tea is up there. Kind of strange, since they are just outside of NY State.
When we were in Italy last month, we ended up trying to hit this restaurant for a nightcap in the Cinque Terre. They boasted about their cocktails. 
So my wife ordered a lemon drop martini.
Yeah, I've been ribbing her over that one ever since :57:
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 02, 2018, 09:24:41 PM
I love the Cinque Terre.  Where were you eating, and where did you stay?

But yeah, cocktails in Europe, especially outside the major metropolitan areas, aren't really what you'd expect here in the states.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 02, 2018, 09:32:09 PM
Sweet tea isn't much of a thing in Texas, though that's changing slowly.  The further east you go, the more common it gets.  It's definitely not a required drink for a  BBQ meal.  And around here hushpuppies are a common side for fried seafood (especially catfish), but not BBQ.  Here in Texico, potato salad, cole slaw, and pinto beans are the traditional sides.  And nanner puddin for dessert, of course.

Brutus: sweetening tea with sugar packets doesn't produce the same effect, since typically sweet tea is super-saturated with the sugar while still hot, right after brewing, so it absorbs a lot more of the sugar.   But like I said, it's not much of a big deal around here, and I don't personally like or drink it. 







Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 02, 2018, 10:34:28 PM
Sweet tea is like water in GA.  Hush puppies aren't so much anything special as more of a form of street cred in my mind, for any BBQ/southern/or even soul food place.  

The thing I find funny out west here in AZ is how every type of such food has a location attached to it:  Louisiana-style this or Georgia-that, etc.  It's silly.  So generic.  Texas brisket or St. Louis ribs.  No it's not.  It's just brisket.  It's just ribs.  Stop lying.

Not a lot of fried okra out here, either.  
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 02, 2018, 11:25:22 PM
Yeah, I can see hushpuppies as street cred for Southern and Soul food, for sure.  In Texas, BBQ isn't really considered to be in the same category, it's really its own thing, with its own set of expectations for style of service, sides, desserts, etc.

I've only been to Arizona a handful of times, did one 6-week-long work trip to the Phoenix area many years ago, so I certainly don't know as much a out it as you do, or DevilFroggy.  But from my observations it seems to be a place where folks move to, and not a lot of people are FROM, so it didn't have much of its own culture.  I would guess there is some traditional Mexican food and Native American influences, but it seemed there were a lot more places that were trying to service and/or appeal to the places where people had come FROM.  Just an observation that may be completely wrong, of course.

Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 03, 2018, 12:44:13 AM
That's definitely true.  Plenty of really good mexican joints with actual messicans back in the kitchen.  I'm amazed there are so many Taco Bells here, honestly.

A lot of Pho places, too.  You can tell the legit chinese restaurants by who's in the kitchen - if it's mexicans, it'll be okay, if it's chinese ppl, it'll be legit.  I found one chinese joint that was too legit for me.  I prefer an americanized chinese cuisine, I guess.

Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Drew4UTk on May 03, 2018, 08:20:54 AM
sweet tea is a staple for certain.  and no, you can't just drop packets of sugar in it and expect it to work out for you.   it has to be dissolved when the tea is brewing and completely emulsified into it.... I've seen some places add a friggin' five pound bag of sugar to a two gallon pitcher of tea... that's a no go, ghost rider.  that is why sweet tea has a bad rap.  again, we're talking about moderation.  

I'll drink sweet tea in a heartbeat, but i prefer unsweet tea.  

hush puppies are also a staple... their name derives from cooking in times past and giving the dog something to get them to go away- we're talking depression era times when deep frying just about anything came to be- and as intent to kill bacteria on food that had to last a long time or may not have been in the best condition- aka 'cheap'... folks came up with interesting things to do with food out of necessity, and it bled into culture, and brought us crispy fried chicken and country (chicken) fried flank steak... heavy gravies to swamp the sometimes borderline spoiled flavor even more, and on and on.  the ladies throwing food out of the pan to the dogs and sayinng 'hush puppy!' ought to give you some insight into what 'they' thought of those things- expendable, and when nothing or hardly anything was expendable... i'm sure they are amused they became such a staple at southern bbq joints and southern coastal deep fried fish joints. 

mexican food or food from warmer climates (such as Arab, Moroccan, Southern Indian, ect) is often doused in very hot spices for the same reason wasabi (Japanese horseradish) is served with raw fish- to kill bacteria in both the fish and your guts from eating the fish. 

it's to the point now where these things can't be separated.  the sugar in tea?  Gramma didn't have straight black tea leaves, y'all... she made it go as far as she could, and then hid the off-flavor with sugar (readily and easily available) or molasses (off product of refining sugar and super cheap if not free for folks with a refinery nearby) and added lemon when she could get her hands on it- so you wouldn't have to taste the re-used tea leaves or the additions from her garden.  

these things become embedded in culture and define it in some instances... from Tabasco peppers to white mill gravy, short grain rice to cornbread... its fascinating to me to ask why instead of just take it at face value and nothing more. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 03, 2018, 09:33:52 AM
I'm not a fan of hush puppies or sweet tea.

The hush puppies that come along with fish n' chips go wasted on my plate.

I'll take a Long Island Ice Tea, please.
don't care much for hush puppies, sweet tea, long island tea, lemon drop martinis or okra although I've had them all and would again.
any good po boy sammich is fine if I'm hungry for a sammich, but I do try to limit my bread intake
st. louis ribs, texas brisket, should be a nod to a style of preparation or flavor
not sure if the NY Strip steak is any different than a Kansas City Strip steak
enjoyed some very tasty pork ribs off a green egg last nice, no sauce and the chef didn't use any adjectives.  Just called them smoked ribs.  Maybe they were Iowa style? 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 03, 2018, 09:40:52 AM


these things become embedded in culture and define it in some instances... from Tabasco peppers to white mill gravy, short grain rice to cornbread... its fascinating to me to ask why instead of just take it at face value and nothing more.
Absolutely.

Heck, the popularity of BBQ in the southern part of the country is one direct result of the need to perform a lot of cooking OUTDOORS, to avoid heating up the interior of the home.  That, and slow-smoking was a good method of rendering really cheap, undesirable cuts of meat, as edible.

Now of course, its popularity has resulted in some of those cuts being just as expensive as steak, but what are you gonna do?  Skirt steak is another example of that, I used to buy it for $.79/lb.  Now it can run anywhere from $4-$8/lb.  I blame Chili's for the increased national popularity of fajita tacos. (no really, I do)

(incidentally, there's no such thing as shrimp fajitas or chicken fajitas or even sirloin steak fajitas, since the word "fajita" refers specifically to the cut of meat, which is the inside skirt.  All of those other things are simply tacos al carbon de pollo, or tacos al carbon de camarones, etc.)
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 03, 2018, 11:48:54 AM
I love the Cinque Terre.  Where were you eating, and where did you stay?

But yeah, cocktails in Europe, especially outside the major metropolitan areas, aren't really what you'd expect here in the states.
We stayed in Monterosso al Mare. We were only there for basically 2 1/2 days, but we had a blast and I can't wait to go back and do more. 
Basically we got the high-level tour. The first [half] day when we arrived we just got checked in, got some dinner, etc. The second day we saw the southern 3 towns (Riomaggiore, Manorolo, Corniglia). It was fun until we realized that the final town of Corniglia was on top of a massive hill! My tracker said we climbed 81 flights of stairs that day ;-)
The final full day we did Vernazza and a lot more time in Monterosso. 
The food was amazing, I had fish all three nights. The first night was a whole roasted fish in the "Ligurian" style. The second night was an octopus dish that was the most tender octopus I've ever eaten. The third night was a salt-crusted fish. I've heard of the salt-crusted cooking method, but have never seen it. It was cool to see the waiter bring out the dish, crack the salt open, pull the filets off the whole fish, etc. And of course it was delicious.
My wife said the wine in the Cinque Terre was her favorite of our entire trip (except for Perrier Jouet in Paris)...
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 03, 2018, 12:14:57 PM
That's definitely true.  Plenty of really good mexican joints with actual messicans back in the kitchen.  I'm amazed there are so many Taco Bells here, honestly.

A lot of Pho places, too.  You can tell the legit chinese restaurants by who's in the kitchen - if it's mexicans, it'll be okay, if it's chinese ppl, it'll be legit.  I found one chinese joint that was too legit for me.  I prefer an americanized chinese cuisine, I guess.
I'm the opposite. I can't really stand most American Chinese food. Too much sauce, usually too much sweetness. I've been to China and I can tell you the food there is SO much better than what you get here as "American" Chinese food.
If I'm going to get Chinese, I almost won't do it unless I drive up to Irvine. It's pretty much Irvine for Orange County, or the towns of the San Gabriel Valley up in LA County. There's a huge Chinese population there and you can get legit Chinese. Even so, I'm really partial to the Sichuan and Hunan regional cuisine. Sichuan is easier to find, but Hunan is a lot harder. Still, *good* Sichuan isn't easy to find--it's a lot different than what most people get when they order "Szechuan Chicken" on an American Chinese food menu. Most Chinese that you get in the US is derived more from Cantonese. I don't mind it, it's more bland. I like the pop of good Sichuan/Hunan dishes. I've also had Shanghainese, which isn't a big draw for me, except for all their good dumplings. 
The thing to remember with Chinese food, just as with American food, is that both are really big countries. There's a big difference between the regional cuisine of Maryland, vs South Carolina, vs New Orleans, vs Texas, vs AZ, vs California, vs Wisconsin, etc. If you think you don't like "legit" Chinese, it's entirely possible you haven't been exposed to *good* legit Chinese. Especially if you've lived most of your life in places like FL or AZ.
If you're interested in the history, check out The Search for General Tso (http://www.thesearchforgeneraltso.com/) on Netflix. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 03, 2018, 12:19:22 PM
BTW I've long ago realized one thing for a lot of cuisine that has been bastardized and homogenized in the melting pot of the US. If you want it done right, sometimes you have to do it yourself.

For people who like spicy dishes, I recommend giving this a shot:

Hunan Cumin Spare Ribs (http://ladyandpups.com/2014/10/23/cumin-spare-ribs/)

You'll never look at "American Chinese" food the same way again...
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 03, 2018, 02:03:03 PM
There are Americanized Chinese food dishes that I like, as well as authentic.  Honestly I just think of them as two different cuisines. And, as you state, even authentic Hunan and Sichuan and Cantonese are all very different, even though they're all "Chinese", so just adding another region to the lexicon (the "American" region of China, I suppose :)  ) doesn't bother me all that much.

I do really enjoy the authentic Chinese foods though, quite a bit.  The very large computer manufacturer headquartered in the Austin area, that I work for, often has native Chinese vendors coming into town.  So around our headquarters, there are quite a few very good, authentic Chinese restaurants.  Typically my vendors would rather go out and eat steak and BBQ and occasionally Tex-Mex, but sometimes I make them take me to the authentic Chinese restaurants, and order their favorites.  Fantastic, for sure.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 03, 2018, 02:14:48 PM
stands to reason that if there are very good, authentic Chinese restaurants in Texas.......

then there are probably very good, authentic Texas BBQ restaurants in China ;)
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 03, 2018, 02:36:52 PM
stands to reason that if there are very good, authentic Chinese restaurants in Texas.......

then there are probably very good, authentic Texas BBQ restaurants in China ;)
Wouldn't shock me one bit, actually.
In Shanghai I wanted to check out a place called Boxing Cat Brewery (http://www.boxingcatbrewery.com/). They bill their restaurant as "food from the I-10 corridor", i.e. everything from Florida, to New Orleans, to Texas, to the Southwest, to California. I reviewed (http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2014/12/12/brads-beer-review-boxing-cat-brewery-shanghai-china/) it here. 
They don't have Texas BBQ on the menu, unfortunately, but I had some damn fine deep fried mac & cheese balls, followed by a completely solid pulled pork sandwich. I'd have been plenty happy getting that food anywhere throughout the Southeast where pulled pork is religion.
So I'm going to say that if I can find that, there is *somewhere* in China that you can find authentic Texas BBQ. Likely cooked by a Texan ex-pat. In a country of 1.3B people, I'm sure there's at least one restaurant that does it right. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 03, 2018, 02:51:46 PM
Isn't China more chicken and pig and less beef?  

Legit Chinese food to me always has the fish sauce taste within it, which I'm not fond of.  Americanized doesn't have it at all.  It's either teriyaki or General Tso or whatever.  I'm not a big fan of orange chicken.  I keep my citrus separate from my meats.  

Actually, maybe that's a weird thing about me - I hate(d) all that citrus-infused everything, especially from 7-8 years ago.  Citrus in the tortilla chips, citrus in coke, etc.  Nasty, all around.  Strawberries and tangerines in a salad.....what the hell is fruit doing in a salad??  
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 03, 2018, 02:58:58 PM
Isn't China more chicken and pig and less beef?  

Legit Chinese food to me always has the fish sauce taste within it, which I'm not fond of.  Americanized doesn't have it at all.  It's either teriyaki or General Tso or whatever.  I'm not a big fan of orange chicken.  I keep my citrus separate from my meats. 
Yeah, it's more chicken/pork. That's changing somewhat as the country gets richer. 
Didn't you reference pho above? Pho has a bunch of fish sauce in it... 
But other than that, I'd say try cooking that Hunan Cumin Spare Rib recipe I posted. Not a bit of fish sauce taste in there at all. There's soy sauce in the marinade, but the spice rub is what really drives the flavor. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: TyphonInc on May 03, 2018, 03:07:36 PM

not sure if the NY Strip steak is any different than a Kansas City Strip steak
NY Strip is a Kansas City Strip minus the bone, both are cut from the loin.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: TyphonInc on May 03, 2018, 03:17:39 PM
Absolutely.

Heck, the popularity of BBQ in the southern part of the country is one direct result of the need to perform a lot of cooking OUTDOORS, to avoid heating up the interior of the home.  That, and slow-smoking was a good method of rendering really cheap, undesirable cuts of meat, as edible.

Now of course, its popularity has resulted in some of those cuts being just as expensive as steak, but what are you gonna do?  Skirt steak is another example of that, I used to buy it for $.79/lb.  Now it can run anywhere from $4-$8/lb.  I blame Chili's for the increased national popularity of fajita tacos. (no really, I do)

(incidentally, there's no such thing as shrimp fajitas or chicken fajitas or even sirloin steak fajitas, since the word "fajita" refers specifically to the cut of meat, which is the inside skirt.  All of those other things are simply tacos al carbon de pollo, or tacos al carbon de camarones, etc.)
TIL: Faja in Spanish means "belt", and -ita is a suffix meaning small or cute. So Fajita's meaning started as the small belt of meat around the cow or specifically the skirt cut (There are 4, 2 inside and 2 outside, either cut was servicable.) 
I always thought Fajita was a reference to the seasoning. When we have Mexican night in our household, I would add Taco Seasoning to meat being used in Tacos, and Fajita seasoning to the meat I wanted to use on ... Fajitas.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 03, 2018, 03:25:50 PM

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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on May 03, 2018, 03:57:40 PM
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 03, 2018, 04:04:53 PM
Dell, AMD, and several other Texas-based companies have large operations in China, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if there are some ex-pats over there cooking BBQ.

Believe it or not, I once even had good Texas-style smoked brisket in the Bay Area.  Don't remember the name of the place,  but some of the California locals I worked with at AMD took me over there to try it one time, because they wanted to prove it could be done.  They were right. :)
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 03, 2018, 04:09:10 PM
TIL: Faja in Spanish means "belt", and -ita is a suffix meaning small or cute. So Fajita's meaning started as the small belt of meat around the cow or specifically the skirt cut (There are 4, 2 inside and 2 outside, either cut was servicable.)
I always thought Fajita was a reference to the seasoning. When we have Mexican night in our household, I would add Taco Seasoning to meat being used in Tacos, and Fajita seasoning to the meat I wanted to use on ... Fajitas.
Inside skirt was the traditional cut used.  Outside skirt in later years as it became more popular and they needed more meat to satisfy the growing demand.  And yes, that's why "fajita" specifically refers to the cut of meat and not the seasoning, or simply "taco on a flour tortilla" as people now tend to use it in generic form.
If you're adding "fajita seasoning" to chicken, then grilling the chicken, and putting that meat into a tortilla, you're making tacos al carbon de pollo.  Which are great, and common all through Mexico and the Southwest.  But they're not fajitas.  
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 03, 2018, 04:25:01 PM
Yeah, it's more chicken/pork. That's changing somewhat as the country gets richer.
Didn't you reference pho above? Pho has a bunch of fish sauce in it...
But other than that, I'd say try cooking that Hunan Cumin Spare Rib recipe I posted. Not a bit of fish sauce taste in there at all. There's soy sauce in the marinade, but the spice rub is what really drives the flavor.
Sometimes, yes, but only as a condiment. It is not incorporated into the broth itself. The broth is made using chicken bones, meat and organs, along with charred onion and ginger, star anise, coriander seed and clove. If I'm doing beef pho, I'll use beef bones and meat. Never bring to a boil. It makes the broth cloudy, which you don't want.

That is how I make it, which came to me from a friend who obtained it on a trip to Vietnam. It's good.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 03, 2018, 04:32:15 PM
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 03, 2018, 04:53:24 PM
Sometimes, yes, but only as a condiment. It is not incorporated into the broth itself. The broth is made using chicken bones, meat and organs, along with charred onion and ginger, star anise, coriander seed and clove. If I'm doing beef pho, I'll use beef bones and meat. Never bring to a boil. It makes the broth cloudy, which you don't want.

That is how I make it, which came to me from a friend who obtained it on a trip to Vietnam. It's good.
Yeah, I don't use fish sauce in pho broth, nor have I ever seen it used as a condiment.  I make it using the same ingredients that badger listed.

Now for Vietnamese vermicelli bowls-- bun-- fish sauce is a primary ingredient in the sauce that is usually poured over the noodle bowl just prior to eating.  And I find it tasty but I can definitely understand people not liking it.  
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on May 03, 2018, 05:46:53 PM
I know you're not a carb guy Badge, but some of my favorite uses of CC is for things like toast, grilled pita/naan, rice, chicken and vegetables.  and, of course your other favorite, eggs. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 03, 2018, 05:58:16 PM
I could probably get an egg down with that stuff on it.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 03, 2018, 07:35:59 PM

Sometimes, yes, but only as a condiment. It is not incorporated into the broth itself. The broth is made using chicken bones, meat and organs, along with charred onion and ginger, star anise, coriander seed and clove. If I'm doing beef pho, I'll use beef bones and meat. Never bring to a boil. It makes the broth cloudy, which you don't want.

That is how I make it, which came to me from a friend who obtained it on a trip to Vietnam. It's good.
I have always made my Pho broth based on the Serious Eats recipe: https://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2012/09/traditional-beef-pho-recipe.html
Calls for 1/4 cup of fish sauce, and then more to taste. I find it always requires more to get it to the right level.
I've never seen fish sauce as a condiment for pho. Sriracha and sometimes hoisin, but not fish sauce.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 03, 2018, 07:52:24 PM
My favorite place in Long Beach doesn't put it in the broth, but keeps in on the tables.

https://www.menuism.com/restaurants/pho-hong-phat-long-beach-408465

I never add it. There is a place for fish sauce in cooking, and I keep it on hand for some recipes.

It's just not a Pho thing. It changes flavors easily, and with good Pho, why would you want to do that?

Anyway, if anyone is ever in that area, it's a must try. They are open for breakfast too, which is when I like to eat my Pho. No eggs.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on May 03, 2018, 08:09:41 PM
Killer pho and Vietnamese to be had in Columbus IN.   Houston may claim most SE Asian immigrants but Midwest has a lot of pockets including the more well known Columbus OH.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 03, 2018, 08:21:11 PM
My favorite place in Long Beach doesn't put it in the broth, but keeps in on the tables.

https://www.menuism.com/restaurants/pho-hong-phat-long-beach-408465
I might have to give that a shot. We've got a lot of friends in Long Beach. My wife has a poultry allergy, which shouldn't be an issue for beef pho, but we're always a little bit leery. We went to one place and asked about it, and they swore they didn't put any chicken product in the beef pho, but then they revealed that they sometimes have a problem with the cooks using the same serving ladles for chicken pho as beef pho, so that was out. That's why I usually make it at home.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Drew4UTk on May 03, 2018, 08:35:31 PM
my ecoque gen 2 finally arrived!!! dang thing is a lot bigger than i imagined, and nearing 500 pounds all told- i'm excited, but i'm kinda disappointed it was made in China.  that was never disclosed prior to purchase.  can't wait to break that thing in and use it!!! Also pulled the trigger on a two tap kegerator w/c02 bottle and a 28" cast iron propane griddle... i'm almost at the point i can start building out the bar and cooking pit. i also have to pick out a tv (55~60" class) and bar back fridge- one with a glass door..... i should have a decent set-up when it's all done. 

i'm going to have to pick a bunch of y'all's brains about how to cook right... i know only enough to get me started, which is to say i know how to build a fire. (turn knob push button)
:)    
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 03, 2018, 08:52:08 PM

How to cook right?

Start off with your favorite things to eat, and then google Alton Brown for his recipe for what you want to cook.

That's about the best thing I can recommend to start with.

You can't go wrong with Rick Bayless or Jonathon Waxman either.

Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Drew4UTk on May 03, 2018, 08:57:16 PM
thanks for that!!!

i've also been watching a lot of BBQ Pit Boys too... a guy that works for me is a somewhat accomplished smoker, and he turned me onto them. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 03, 2018, 10:45:14 PM
 Pho has a bunch of fish sauce in it...

If this were true, I wouldn't eat it, lol.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on May 04, 2018, 12:00:00 AM
What's great about Alton Brown is his ability to make any food accessible to anybody, meaning he removes all the drama and stereotypes regarding a certain dish.    Yes, he gets carried away explaining why certain things happen too food (it is entertainment) but he really does keep it simple.  Though his prime rib is unecessarily over the top.  Terra cotta planter, yeah I get what he's doing, but you don't need to do all that for a great prime rib, despite the great lesson.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 04, 2018, 01:05:48 AM
Serious Eats. Always a great resource. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 04, 2018, 06:27:37 AM
What's great about Alton Brown is his ability to make any food accessible to anybody, meaning he removes all the drama and stereotypes regarding a certain dish.    Yes, he gets carried away explaining why certain things happen too food (it is entertainment) but he really does keep it simple.  Though his prime rib is unecessarily over the top.  Terra cotta planter, yeah I get what he's doing, but you don't need to do all that for a great prime rib, despite the great lesson.
Yeah, the planter was over the top and not needed, obviously. I like the way he applies science to cooking though. After all... well, yeah. You know.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 04, 2018, 08:10:10 AM
Alton Brown definitely makes a lot of dishes more accessible.  Many years ago he did an episode on gumbo, and he made the roux in an oven.  That was a Eureka moment for me.  Ever since, I've done it that way, and get my perfect brick roux every time.  It takes longer, but it's completely unnecessary to linger over the pot and stir like you would on a burner.

Purists scoff, and that's cool with me.  I'm not cooking to impress any Cajun grandmas out there. :)

https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/shrimp-gumbo-recipe-1946875



Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on May 04, 2018, 08:29:55 AM
Serious Eats. Always a great resource.
Ya that guy with the Food Lab.Like Brown he dives into the science of cooking
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 04, 2018, 09:49:44 AM
Is Brunswick stew a known thing - utee and others?  A tomato-based vegetable soup, but with like pulverized chicken throughout, maybe another meat in there, too.

I like it/don't love it, but grew up with it as described above.  Then I went to a "good" BB! place in Augusta, GA and there's was...different.  It was like a gooey mash - as if someone had put that ^^stew^^ in a food processor, and it was over white rice.  Didn't care for it AT ALL.

Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 04, 2018, 10:19:59 AM
my ecoque gen 2 finally arrived!!! dang thing is a lot bigger than i imagined, and nearing 500 pounds all told- i'm excited, but i'm kinda disappointed it was made in China.  that was never disclosed prior to purchase.  can't wait to break that thing in and use it!!! Also pulled the trigger on a two tap kegerator w/c02 bottle and a 28" cast iron propane griddle... i'm almost at the point i can start building out the bar and cooking pit. i also have to pick out a tv (55~60" class) and bar back fridge- one with a glass door..... i should have a decent set-up when it's all done.

i'm going to have to pick a bunch of y'all's brains about how to cook right... i know only enough to get me started, which is to say i know how to build a fire. (turn knob push button)
:)    
after I retire, move south to Texas and Utee runs me out of his neighborhood, perhaps I'll buy a hammock and live in your back yard
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 04, 2018, 10:51:50 AM
I watched the Alton Brown Good Eats episode on homebrewing beer in 2005. It was the impetus for me to start brewing in 2006. I watched the episode, and said "I can do that!" 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 04, 2018, 01:24:13 PM
Is Brunswick stew a known thing - utee and others?  A tomato-based vegetable soup, but with like pulverized chicken throughout, maybe another meat in there, too.

I like it/don't love it, but grew up with it as described above.  Then I went to a "good" BB! place in Augusta, GA and there's was...different.  It was like a gooey mash - as if someone had put that ^^stew^^ in a food processor, and it was over white rice.  Didn't care for it AT ALL.


I've heard of it OAM, and maybe even associated it with Southern style BBQ?  Might have been because of you or some of the other SEC type posters, though.  
I don't recall ever seeing it around here in Texico, though.  Your first description sounds more like what I thought it was, but again, it might be just because I recall you talking about it in the past. :)
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 04, 2018, 01:38:30 PM
I watched the Alton Brown Good Eats episode on homebrewing beer in 2005. It was the impetus for me to start brewing in 2006. I watched the episode, and said "I can do that!"
I started home-brewing in the mid 90s with a friend.  I was still in an apartment, he had just bought a house, so we kept the equipment and everything over there.  We quickly abandoned bottling and moved to kegging which was a lot less work, but after we became close friends with the owner of the longest-running brewery in Austin, and he became our tailgate sponsor, and we had access to free, fantastic beer at all times, we pretty much stopped brewing our own.
Bald Greg sold off all the equipment, otherwise I'd be tempted to get back into it.  Or, maybe not... :)
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 04, 2018, 01:41:44 PM
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Drew4UTk on May 04, 2018, 01:41:54 PM
my neighbor does Brunswick Stew... makes it in a 30 gallon pot, serves it until people can't take anymore, and freezes it for zapping it later.  good stuff.  I've had it with chicken (non-preferred), dove, grouse, quail, pheasant, and sometimes rabbit.  I've also heard it called 'upcountry stew' as opposed to 'low country boil' which is always shrimp and crabs, potatoes and such... 

the way I'm accustomed to it, anything and everything goes.. corn (not on cob like low country), beans of all varieties including green, potatoes... even squash and okra. obviously a tomato base... you'll sometimes find ground venison and/or sausage in it too.  This is the kind of thing eaten at a hunting camp and usually in colder weather, where as the low country boil is a summer thing after fishing both are the epitome of simple-fast-good-large quantities.  

that's one thing i enjoy about living on the coast.  we taxi out to the sand bar as a family and spend the day with friends tossing horseshoes and such, while ladies converse and sunbath.. in middle of it all we'll collect clams, drop crab pots, catch a few fish, throw a net for some shrimp... at the end of the day someone's cooking pit fires up and peppers are grabbed off the vine, corn broke off the stalks and dressed, carrots and potatoes pulled out of the ground, sausages from someone's fridge/freezer, some crab boil bags and a big ol' pot... clams steaming... it may not be a southern thing, but it's definitely a coastal thing.  

low country boil (sea) and upcountry (Brunswick, aka 'game') stew... this is cultural to leave no doubt.      
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 04, 2018, 02:23:33 PM
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 04, 2018, 03:03:46 PM
I can't imagine the salt content of cheese-flavored shrimp "snacks" - bleh.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 04, 2018, 03:25:28 PM
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on May 04, 2018, 04:15:36 PM
Soaking & aged in all that marinade,mustard & pickled hot sauce.How the hell can anybody really know they're quail eggs?Could be Pigeon,starling or Blue Jay for all anybody can tell
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 04, 2018, 04:53:09 PM
ya see when I toll y'all I wasn't a fan of pickled eggs

ya could git yerself a buzzard egg
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 04, 2018, 04:56:53 PM
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 04, 2018, 06:45:09 PM
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They don't actually do those anymore... I think the most you can get is a 4x4.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 04, 2018, 08:56:40 PM

Probably for the better. 

That 100x100 would be worse than 

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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 04, 2018, 09:13:33 PM
The wife and I are at our favorite little wine bar, and we're going home to pho for dinner... 

But now I'm hungry for In n Out :72:
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 05, 2018, 12:37:32 AM
These last 2 pictures are why the terrorists hate us, lol.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on May 05, 2018, 07:12:36 PM
Damn nearly forgot how delicious Fresh Bratwurst is.Low fire on one side Brats on the cool side.twenty minutes in pulled them.Raw chopped onion & stadium mustard on toasted pumpernickel - didn't have any kaiser rolls or buns.Chased it down with a Yuengling Traditional Lager.Weve reached 70 deg the last 2 days spring has sprung late
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 05, 2018, 10:01:33 PM
life is good!
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Drew4UTk on May 06, 2018, 10:54:00 AM
The kid went out with her friends last night to watch a movie.  I heard them say they were going to stop by Krispy kreme if the "hot donuts" light was on. It must have been on because she came home with a six flat where one was missing... She made mistake of leaving them on counter.  

A strategic tear in the box, and right now the dog is getting the riot act while I'm licking icing/glaze off my fingers. 

Indeed, life is good. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: GopherRock on May 06, 2018, 12:57:45 PM
Who can elaborate about infrared grills? GF and I are looking to buy a new grill, and that's something I've never seen before. 

There's decent prices out there for a fair amount of grill area. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 06, 2018, 01:33:31 PM
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 06, 2018, 04:08:24 PM
Who can elaborate about infrared grills? GF and I are looking to buy a new grill, and that's something I've never seen before.

There's decent prices out there for a fair amount of grill area.
If you can buy one with a infrared searing station, that's a better bet.

But, the Weber kettle and charcoal is best.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 06, 2018, 04:08:44 PM
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That looks fantastic.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 06, 2018, 07:23:20 PM
Hot pot!  
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 06, 2018, 08:26:08 PM
I'd eat it!
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 06, 2018, 10:27:10 PM
The correct line is, "I'd put that in my mouth!"

I'd get hot pot like that at a pho place (it closed recently) that had these little peppers that numbed your lips - it was cool.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on May 07, 2018, 06:52:19 AM
Who can elaborate about infrared grills? GF and I are looking to buy a new grill, and that's something I've never seen before.

There's decent prices out there for a fair amount of grill area.
If you go to Amazon and type that into the subject matter box it should give you plenty to peruse.They have a rating scale that I've used and found valuable with any purchases I made from them.I'm looking at a Webber Spirit E310 propane grill that Test Kitchen and Amazon user rated the best.I believe Weber's Genesis Series has infrared models - G.L.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on May 07, 2018, 06:56:13 AM
the Weber kettle and charcoal is best.
If you're going that route why not just buy pony up and get a Green Egg or AKorn Kamodo ?Provided he's not in an apartment
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 07, 2018, 12:04:55 PM
The correct line is, "I'd put that in my mouth!"

I'd get hot pot like that at a pho place (it closed recently) that had these little peppers that numbed your lips - it was cool.
Sichuan peppercorn. Known for its numbing sensation...
You want something good, that uses those? Try yourself some Dan Dan Noodles: https://thewoksoflife.com/2014/11/dan-dan-noodles/
Ooh, good stuff! Watch out for the chili oil, though, it can light you up!
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 07, 2018, 12:08:50 PM
now I'm hungry!

I'll be watching for Dan-Dan on the menu from now on.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Entropy on May 07, 2018, 12:49:16 PM
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Entropy on May 07, 2018, 12:52:00 PM
since I can't seem to add the words to the picture...

Rocky Mountain Oysters....  some people love them.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on May 07, 2018, 01:39:48 PM
RMOs are nothing but 'ok'.  I suppose somebody could be world class at the breading/frying of them, and serve a great sauce which would elevate them.  It's a gamey venison like taste, and once fried its eminently forgettable.  I've heard others say its like calamari, I guess I don't taste that.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 07, 2018, 02:06:45 PM
I will eat them, but if I have other choices on the menu I can find something better

they don't taste similar to gizzards, but I will eat gizzards if there's nothing better as an option
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 07, 2018, 02:09:58 PM
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 07, 2018, 02:24:17 PM
since I can't seem to add the words to the picture...

Rocky Mountain Oysters....  some people love them.
I'll eat just about anything, but those are on the "don't" list.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 07, 2018, 02:42:24 PM
I'll eat just about anything, but those are on the "don't" list.
Homophobe?  :57:
Totally kidding!!!!
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: ELA on May 07, 2018, 03:55:38 PM
What was the Chevy Chase movie with the RM Oyster scene?
Funny Farm
Probably the forgotten movie of the late 80s run when Chevy was making a new movie seemingly every 3 months.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: ELA on May 07, 2018, 04:01:39 PM
I thought that was later, like mid 90s?
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 07, 2018, 04:43:12 PM
what do invisible men eat?
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 09, 2018, 11:12:18 AM
https://www.jamesbeard.org/blog/the-2018-james-beard-award-winners (https://www.jamesbeard.org/blog/the-2018-james-beard-award-winners)
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 09, 2018, 11:43:01 AM
sorry, missed that movie
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 09, 2018, 10:11:08 PM
It couldn't be just skin cells, it would have to be every single cell in the body that was invisible.  I'm no biochemist, but I'd guess it would have to be some kind of ongoing glandular condition that would continue to force all cells to retain their invisibility, or something like that...

But I'd rather talk about all the interesting stuff you'd get to SEE while you were invisible, if you know what I mean...
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on May 10, 2018, 08:04:53 AM
A Chevy chase hijack is about as low as it gets.   
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Drew4UTk on May 10, 2018, 08:28:31 AM
invisible? 

I'd love to see the look on my boss's face when a turd materialized seemingly from the ether and right before his eyes on is desk... 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 10, 2018, 10:26:58 AM
well, that does fit the topic
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 11, 2018, 07:44:25 AM
What about drinks you associate with certain foods?  That could be a weird eating habit I suppose.

Down here in Texico, we don't associate sweet tea with BBQ, but a lot of folks DO prefer to drink Big Red with it.  I, too, did that as a kid, but it's a little too sweet for me these days.  I'll go with iced tea (unsweetened) or beer with my Q, nowadays.



Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on May 11, 2018, 07:56:23 AM
If I'm having a pork chop, or pork tenderloin there must be milk.   Same w any dessert or cookie.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 11, 2018, 08:12:29 AM


Down here in Texico, we don't associate sweet tea with BBQ, but a lot of folks DO prefer to drink Big Red with it.




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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 11, 2018, 08:41:19 AM
I love Big Red.  So do badgerfan and Fearless, I'm sure! ;)


Milk with pork?  That definitely seems weird to me.  Milk certainly goes well with cookies and other desserts, through.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 11, 2018, 10:02:54 AM
I thought everyone in Texas drank Dr. Pepper or Lone Star


milk with pork is kinda weird

I drink large glasses of milk when it's past the born on date and my kids won't touch it.  I'm not allowing it to go bad or pour it out.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: ELA on May 11, 2018, 10:08:02 AM
I love Big Red.  So do badgerfan and Fearless, I'm sure! ;)


Milk with pork?  That definitely seems weird to me.  Milk certainly goes well with cookies and other desserts, through.
I actually love milk with most red sauce too.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 11, 2018, 10:08:59 AM
I don't drink much of anything sweet, per se, unless it's got booze in it.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on May 11, 2018, 10:14:38 AM
It (milk) may be a function of some of the sides that I eat with the pork, or the presence of either gravy and or other sauces of a non-BBQ sauce variety.  To be clear I'm not talking about pork shoulder, or ribs,  just chops and loin.

My wife and I love this gorgonzola cream sauce for pork, and it melds nicely with any veggie we are serving too.   Milk is ideal for this imo. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 11, 2018, 10:28:10 AM
nothing wrong with a glass of milk

unless you've been drinking whiskey

although it pairs well with vodka

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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 11, 2018, 11:36:49 AM
speaking of pork, Big Red soda, Weber Kettles, ........... Big Moe Cason

https://www.foodandwine.com/news/big-moe-cason-host-ultimate-backyard-bbq?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=well-done&utm_source=foodandwine.com&utm_content=20180510&eminfo=%7b%22EMAIL%22%3a%22puuk2qQ5JaMW7ro3eRVzRw%3d%3d%22%2c%22BRAND%22%3a%22MR%22%2c%22CONTENT%22%3a%22Newsletter%22%2c%22UID%22%3a%22MR_WLD_843AEAA0-0696-427E-BA71-980551A7B5F4%22%2c%22SUBID%22%3a%22102551376%22%2c%22JOBID%22%3a%22739893%22%2c%22NEWSLETTER%22%3a%22WELL_DONE%22%2c%22ZIP%22%3a%2251030%22%2c%22COUNTRY%22%3a%22%22%7d (https://www.foodandwine.com/news/big-moe-cason-host-ultimate-backyard-bbq?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=well-done&utm_source=foodandwine.com&utm_content=20180510&eminfo=%7b%22EMAIL%22%3a%22puuk2qQ5JaMW7ro3eRVzRw%3d%3d%22%2c%22BRAND%22%3a%22MR%22%2c%22CONTENT%22%3a%22Newsletter%22%2c%22UID%22%3a%22MR_WLD_843AEAA0-0696-427E-BA71-980551A7B5F4%22%2c%22SUBID%22%3a%22102551376%22%2c%22JOBID%22%3a%22739893%22%2c%22NEWSLETTER%22%3a%22WELL_DONE%22%2c%22ZIP%22%3a%2251030%22%2c%22COUNTRY%22%3a%22%22%7d)
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 11, 2018, 11:38:52 AM
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 11, 2018, 11:39:45 AM
Been a long time, since I'm not hung over much these days, and since I don't live anywhere near a Cracker Barrel.

But there's nothing better than Cracker Barrel Sunday fried chicken paired with a bunch of sweet tea when you're hung over.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 11, 2018, 03:03:19 PM
Sweet tea is also good when you're breathing.  Or alive.  or sentient.  Awake works, too.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 11, 2018, 06:13:10 PM
I thought everyone in Texas drank Dr. Pepper or Lone Star


milk with pork is kinda weird

I drink large glasses of milk when it's past the born on date and my kids won't touch it.  I'm not allowing it to go bad or pour it out.
Dr. Pepper and Big Red are both from Texas, so both are popular with traditional Texan dishes.
I only know one guy that drinks Lone Star, but I also don't live in the country and/or drive a tractor for work, so... 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 11, 2018, 07:29:45 PM
city slicker
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: DevilFroggy on May 11, 2018, 10:01:30 PM
When I moved to Texas my favorite soda was Coke. When I left Texas it was Dr Pepper and still is 13 years later.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: DevilFroggy on May 11, 2018, 10:02:10 PM
And I do enjoy a glass of milk with my dinner from time to time. And as others have said it is essential with cookies.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 11, 2018, 11:11:45 PM
Hey SDF!

So, you're saying your favorite coke is Dr. Pepper? :)
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 12, 2018, 12:13:53 AM
All through HS, I ate 2 smores pop tarts for breakfast with a 44 oz cup of milk.  That kind of permanently made me sick of that flavor of pop tarts.

As for milk - it's baby cow growth drink.  No reason for an adult human to drink it, honestly.  Once someone described it like that, I agreed.  No need for it.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 12, 2018, 12:17:13 AM
No need to drink sweet tea either, unless you think it tastes good. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 12, 2018, 08:40:44 AM
baby cows grow up big and strong

and cow's milk seems to taste better to me than momma's breast milk
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 12, 2018, 08:46:59 AM
This is getting weird.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 12, 2018, 09:22:25 AM
well, if someone admits to drinking breast milk.......... that would be weird
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 16, 2018, 06:11:04 PM
I feel like we're getting way off topic on some of these threads.

Isn't this the one where we discuss our favorite 80s television shows?
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 16, 2018, 06:12:34 PM
I'll go first-- Knight Rider.  Man that show had everything.  A talking Trans Am.  David Hasselhoff. And...

Ok well it had a talking car and David Hasselhoff which is more than enough.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on May 16, 2018, 08:29:15 PM
Never saw it I was still watching Benny Hill reruns
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 16, 2018, 09:11:54 PM
Dukes of Hazzard and Knight Rider - where the cars are the stars.  The A-Team's van.  The Fall Guy's truck.  Classic.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 16, 2018, 09:17:02 PM
well, if someone admits to drinking breast milk.......... that would be weird
Technically humans would be the weird ones, for primarily drinking the milk of another species.
I feel like we're getting way off topic on some of these threads.

Isn't this the one where we discuss our favorite 80s television shows?
well, if someone admits to drinking breast milk.......... that would be weird
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 16, 2018, 09:19:24 PM
Isn't this the one where we discuss our favorite 80s television shows?
"I DON"T KNOW"
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 17, 2018, 08:36:16 AM
Nice one.

Did any of you watch any of those really bad Sci-Fi/fantasy shows that aired on Nickelodeon?  Like "The Tomorrow People" (which was sort of a really bad rip-off of Dr. Who) or "Labyrinth" (not the cool movie with David Bowie but a serial TV show).

Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 17, 2018, 10:16:29 AM
nope
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on May 22, 2018, 03:40:46 PM
Just had Kibbeh Nayeh for lunch.  An elevated, clean Mediterranean version of beef tartare.   Very tasty when made in the right hands.  Likely illness if I tried to do it.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 22, 2018, 03:48:13 PM
Was it served with pita or some such?
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on May 22, 2018, 05:51:31 PM
No Way I'm eating tar-tar or sushi gotta be stir fried,fired or flambeed to at least a singe or flare up.Even if it's by a Bernzomatic
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 22, 2018, 08:32:47 PM
Love me some sushi, tartare, carpaccio, etc.  Live a little, amigo!
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 22, 2018, 08:56:42 PM
Sushi is in the group of foods I rarely eat.  They don't taste bad, I don't dislike them, but there's 150 other things  readily available that I'd rather eat.  

Sushi, eggs, baked potato, salad, PB+J sandwich, etc.  perfectly fine, but meh....I'll go with ____ instead.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 22, 2018, 10:16:22 PM
Love me some sushi, tartare, carpaccio, etc.  Live a little, amigo!
ed zachery!
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on May 22, 2018, 10:41:04 PM
Ya when you find out some bacteria & wicked worms eating you up from the inside out make sure you contact "Monsters inside me".Give 'em your restaurant recommendations
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 22, 2018, 10:42:32 PM
Ya when you find out some bacteria & wicked worms eating you up from the inside out make sure you contact "Monsters inside me".Give 'em your restaurant recommendations
Speaking of which, had some absolutely fantastic raw oysters last weekend.  DELICIOUS.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 22, 2018, 10:50:05 PM
yum
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on May 23, 2018, 08:31:54 AM
There is a creek behind my house filled with delicious chubs,some crayfish also you two would find mouth watering
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 23, 2018, 08:44:21 AM
Not sure what a "chub" is-- or at least, not in the culinary sense-- but you better believe I'll eat up some crawfish.

The place where I had the oysters last weekend, was also boiling crawfish.  Pretty much every place that serves seafood and/or Lousiana-style food in this part of the country, is doing crawfish boils every weekend from March through May.

The i s c & a aggie wife and I killed 5 lbs on our own that day.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 23, 2018, 10:15:48 AM
chub is just a type on small fish or minnow

think sardine only fresher and way better

If I'm eating chubs, I prefer mine gutted and w/o the head, but I've eaten plenty of them whole

most times I use them for bait and other larger fish eat them
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 23, 2018, 11:39:44 AM
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on May 23, 2018, 01:09:54 PM
chub is just a type on small fish or minnow

think sardine only fresher and way better

If I'm eating chubs, I prefer mine gutted and w/o the head, but I've eaten plenty of them whole

most times I use them for bait and other larger fish eat them
FF are you thinking of shad?I've never ran across anyone who's eaten creek chubs or at least admitted it.I've had steamed crayfish but they are like bluegill - tasty but a pain in the ass to clean and pick apart
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 23, 2018, 01:41:10 PM
I will admit I've eaten creek chubs

just a chubby minnow

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yNrOCQ57_oA/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 23, 2018, 01:42:57 PM
I've always thought crayfish, otherwise known as mudbugs, where more like shrimp than bluegill

My favorite pickled fish is bluegill caught through the ice
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on May 23, 2018, 02:05:42 PM
Years back when I was up in Quebec on the annual fishing trip ran into some sushi eaters.There were 8 of us at the local constables filling out our provincial fishing licenses.There were some Vietnamese immigrants with  seines netting minnows by a damn.Some of them pinched the heads of the minnows by the gills pulled out the entrails complete and chowed down then & there.Think they might be asking for some sort bacteria even though the water was extremely clean.If they dredged the minnows in flour and pan fried them in butter i might have given it a shot.Guess that's how it was done where they came from
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 23, 2018, 02:15:28 PM
We could all use a little more bacteria, and less hand-sanitizer.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 23, 2018, 02:19:18 PM
Years back when I was up in Quebec on the annual fishing trip ran into some sushi eaters.There were 8 of us at the local constables filling out our provincial fishing licenses.There were some Vietnamese immigrants with  seines netting minnows by a damn.Some of them pinched the heads of the minnows by the gills pulled out the entrails complete and chowed down then & there.Think they might be asking for some sort bacteria even though the water was extremely clean.If they dredged the minnows in flour and pan fried them in butter i might have given it a shot.Guess that's how it was done where they came from
bingo
on a saltine with some hot mustard or horseradish sauce is even better
pairs extremely well with ice cold tall boy cans of bud fat
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 23, 2018, 02:21:50 PM
We could all use a little more bacteria, and less hand-sanitizer.
I get my share of bacteria - it's why I'm so healthy
refuse to use hand sanitizer, refuse to drink bottled water, refuse to check born on dates
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on May 23, 2018, 02:22:52 PM
bingo
on a saltine with some hot mustard or horseradish sauce is even better
pairs extremely well with ice cold tall boy cans of bud fat
Well at least you're not on board with the breast milk.So you have that going for you
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on May 23, 2018, 02:24:39 PM
I get my share of bacteria - it's why I'm so healthy
refuse to use hand sanitizer, refuse to drink bottled water, refuse to check born on dates
so you wash your golf balls but not your hands.And anyone one who tosses back copious amounts of Bud Fat,eats beef ribs & creek chubs and fires up an occasional Cuban tend to be a chiseled Adonis
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 23, 2018, 02:32:11 PM
Well at least you're not on board with the breast milk.So you have that going for you
my taste has changed since I was an infant for better or worse
gagged a little on my last shot of breast milk - about 20 years ago
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 23, 2018, 02:35:18 PM
so you wash your golf balls but not your hands.And anyone one who tosses back copious amounts of Bud Fat,eats beef ribs & creek chubs and fires up an occasional Cuban tend to be a chiseled Adonis
usually just put the golf ball in my mouth for a second to gain enough moisture to clean it
sometimes tastes a bit like canada goose crap
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 23, 2018, 02:35:59 PM
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 23, 2018, 02:37:52 PM
Kraft mac n' cheese is wrong on so many levels. And then that happens.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 23, 2018, 02:42:37 PM
it's really NOT necessary to post pics like that :c002:
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 23, 2018, 02:44:39 PM
My grandpa put ketchup on noodles... Not mac 'n cheese, but just on pasta noodles.

I wonder if it was a depression-era thing, where that's about all they could afford--pasta and ketchup.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 23, 2018, 02:49:08 PM
That would be my guess.

I'll admit there were times in college when I was so broke, I made ketchup-packet-tomato-soup and toast for dinner.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on May 23, 2018, 03:00:04 PM
and raw minnows
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MrNubbz on May 23, 2018, 03:01:33 PM
usually just put the golf ball in my mouth for a second to gain enough moisture to clean it
sometimes tastes a bit like canada goose crap
Well that'll at least get the taste of Bud out of your mouth
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 23, 2018, 03:21:01 PM
That would be my guess.

I'll admit there were times in college when I was so broke, I made ketchup-packet-tomato-soup and toast for dinner.
plain label mac & cheese was about the worst I suffered through in college - powder mixed with water because no money for milk
didn't like ketchup then either
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 23, 2018, 03:21:52 PM
Well that'll at least get the taste of Bud out of your mouth
hah, I use the Bud to rinse my mouth out
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 23, 2018, 05:58:05 PM
I like ketchup.  I actually don't like tomato soup, or tomato juice.  But ketchup packets were free.  And the cheapest store brand bread was $.59/loaf or something.

I also recall digging through the couch cushions for change to buy a coke.  It sometimes even worked!
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 23, 2018, 07:15:01 PM
bingo
on a saltine with some hot mustard or horseradish sauce is even better
pairs extremely well with ice cold tall boy cans of bud fat
This is my argument against 'enjoying' a food - if you have to mask it with all that, why eat it in the first place?  My uncle loves raw oysters like you do, but with tabasco AND horseradish.....how you taste the oyster in all that, I'll never know.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 23, 2018, 07:16:17 PM
Does anyone else mix their tartar sauce with ketchup when eating fish?  Everyone in my extended family does.  You make it pink, but leave some ketchup unmixed for your fries and hush puppies.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 23, 2018, 07:18:43 PM
Does anyone else mix their tartar sauce with ketchup when eating fish?  Everyone in my extended family does.  You make it pink, but leave some ketchup unmixed for your fries and hush puppies.
No. I like tartar sauce with some hot sauce mixed in, but not ketchup.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 23, 2018, 08:18:57 PM
Does anyone else mix their tartar sauce with ketchup when eating fish?  Everyone in my extended family does.  You make it pink, but leave some ketchup unmixed for your fries and hush puppies.
So it's Utah Fry Sauce, with Tarter instead of mayo? Weird. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 23, 2018, 09:09:49 PM
I've never heard of Utah fry sauce, but you can do it with mayo, lol.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 23, 2018, 09:32:12 PM
Never heard of Utah fry sauce, but countless regions around the world have mixed ketchup and mayonnaise for use on fries, or other foods, since the second world war, if not earlier.  In Puerto Rico they've even been bottling and selling the mixture together for decades. It's their "national condiment" if such a thing exists.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 23, 2018, 09:43:51 PM
Never heard of Utah fry sauce, but countless regions around the world have mixed ketchup and mayonnaise for use on fries, or other foods, since the second world war, if not earlier.  In Puerto Rico they've even been bottling and selling the mixture together for decades. It's their "national condiment" if such a thing exists.
Arctic Circle started the whole Utah Fry Sauce thing in the 1940s. Everyone in that region serves it now, even the large chains. Fancier places like Red Robin will jazz it up a little bit with Bbq instead of ketchup.  
If you ask for ketchup at a mom and pop diner, they will look at you sideways, and eventually emerge from the kitchen with a dusty old bottle that no one has used in like 20 years. 
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 23, 2018, 09:48:20 PM
I actually like mixing ketchup and mayo for use on fries.  I started doing it after seeing folks in France do it a couple decades ago.

But for tartar sauce, no ketchup please.  But some horseradish is welcome.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 23, 2018, 09:48:46 PM
Tartar + ketchup tastes different than that stuff pictured.  That reminds me of the sauce at Cane's.  Good stuff, love it.  But that's beige.

But for fried fish, it's tartar + ketchup.  It's pink.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 24, 2018, 08:51:58 AM
Yeah, the stuff pictured is definitely just a mix of ketchup and mayo, which isn't the same.

Tartar sauce is mayonnaise-based, but also includes things like chopped pickles, dill, lemon juice, and sometimes even some chopped or grated onion.

In Puerto Rico they don't call it Fry Sauce, they're a bit more literal with the name:

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And I've had ketchup mixed with tartar sauce, sort of by accident, on fried fish.  But I don't like the sugar in the ketchup on fish, for whatever reason.  The tang of the tartar sauce is a nice accompaniment, but I don't like the sweet of ketchup involved in anything touching fish.  Just a matter of personal opinion of course.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 24, 2018, 09:22:44 AM
french fried taters?

when eating hot wings I like the wing sauce on the fries

gravy or cheese is good on fries

otherwise, just salt & pepper

don't care for ketchup or mayo, separately or mixed
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 24, 2018, 04:51:28 PM
Much as good BBQ needs no sauce, truly great french fries need no ketchup.  

Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 24, 2018, 05:02:19 PM
true, but gravy is great on nearly everything
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: ELA on May 24, 2018, 05:20:27 PM
I hate gravy and cheese on fries.  Soggy fries are inedible.  Fries should be crisp and hot
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 24, 2018, 05:26:49 PM
so maybe having the gravy and/or cheese on the side for dipping?
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 25, 2018, 08:45:23 AM
true, but gravy is great on nearly everything
I agree, but isn't it great when you get fries that don't need anything?  
For me, good skinny fries I eat plain.
I use ketchup for thick fries (steak fries), average skinny fries, and tater tots.
My favorite fries are crinkle-cut - when they're done well, they're perfect.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 25, 2018, 09:05:14 AM
I hate gravy and cheese on fries.  Soggy fries are inedible.  Fries should be crisp and hot
I make my own fries quite a bit. Those don't need ketchup, or anything, aside from salt.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 25, 2018, 09:12:22 AM
I've found that I prefer far less salt in my food than most people I know.

However-- really good, hot, fresh french fries-- are where I make an exception. Those need a healthy amount of quality salt on them.

And sometimes I like ketchup and or mayo on my fries.  Sometimes I like green chile, cheese, and bacon mixed into them.  Sometimes I like cheese curds and gravy-- those crazy French Canadians did well when they created poutine.

It's all good.

Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 25, 2018, 11:48:34 AM
Sometimes I like cheese curds and gravy-- those crazy French Canadians did well when they created poutine.

yes sir
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 25, 2018, 11:49:32 AM
I agree, but isn't it great when you get fries that don't need anything?  
that's how I eat them 90% of the time
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 25, 2018, 01:29:57 PM
Sometimes I like cheese curds and gravy-- those crazy French Canadians did well when they created poutine.

yes sir
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: ELA on May 25, 2018, 02:12:44 PM
I make my own fries quite a bit. Those don't need ketchup, or anything, aside from salt.
Same here
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: ELA on May 25, 2018, 02:14:21 PM
I agree, but isn't it great when you get fries that don't need anything?  
For me, good skinny fries I eat plain.
I use ketchup for thick fries (steak fries), average skinny fries, and tater tots.
My favorite fries are crinkle-cut - when they're done well, they're perfect.
I think I agree.  I've never turned down a waffle fry either.
The casual restaurant in the casino her does a fry medley with any sandwich/burger order.  Steak, crinkle, waffle, sweet potato.  That's my jam.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 25, 2018, 02:19:57 PM
taters are just good

from thin chips to whole baked, love em all

depending on the selection and mood the fav changes

my go to for the most part is the thick hand cut "steak" fry with the skin still on it - seasoning salt and cracked pepper
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 25, 2018, 03:22:30 PM
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 25, 2018, 03:27:55 PM
those aren't fries

those are eyes
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 25, 2018, 04:06:46 PM
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Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 25, 2018, 07:35:40 PM
taters are just good

from thin chips to whole baked, love em all


Eh. I don't love potatoes. I view them as basically a vessel for other flavor. 
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on May 25, 2018, 08:56:14 PM
As a household we probably buy 10lbs of potatoes a year.  Half of those are used on thanksgiving.   I bet the average American can fill their closet each year w left over uneaten fries and other potatoes. 

  I do like chips though .
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 25, 2018, 09:30:01 PM
of all my vices......  I'd love to be able to give up tater chips

not gonna happen
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 25, 2018, 11:29:22 PM
I like potato chips but rarely eat them.  Living where I do, I eat a lot more tortilla chips than anything else.  With salsa.  With chile con queso.  Covered in refried beans, cheese, jalapenos, and onions.  

Oh yeah.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: MarqHusker on May 25, 2018, 11:55:52 PM
Between my girls and wife we have 3 different types or tortilla chips at all times.  They are staples.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 26, 2018, 07:38:48 AM
Same here.  Sometimes I just use regular salsa.  Sometimes cheesy dip.  Sometimes I make a layered dip.  The variety is great.
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: FearlessF on May 26, 2018, 08:05:53 AM
if I'm dipping my tortilla chips in something, it's gonna have some heat
Title: Re: OT- Weird Eating Habits
Post by: utee94 on May 26, 2018, 11:33:01 AM
word

I make the BBQ, chili, and enchiladas.  I leave it to my i s c & a aggie wife to make the salsa, queso, guacamole, and whatever else.  She enjoys it and she's better than I am at it.  She loves the heat, so everything she makes tends to have significant kick.  Which is perfect.