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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Mdot21 on August 28, 2023, 12:12:34 PM
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don't know where to put this, so starting a new thread...UCLA names QB Ethan Garbers the Week 1 starter.
5* true frosh UCLA QB Dante Moore doesn't win the starting job even after enrolling early....and there was already smoke per the UCLA 247 insider who runs UCLA's 247 site about a month or so ago that Moore was having problems over collecting on some of NIL contracts (apparently he wasn't fulfilling all of his social media & public appearance obligations) and that he was very likely to transfer when the portal opened up for '24....wonder if this adds fuel to that fire.
Moore was the #1 player in Michigan and the #3 QB and #5 player in the nation in the '23 class. Was committed to Oregon for the longest time, then flipped to UCLA near NSD once the Oregon OC left. Word on the street was he left because he had bigger NIL deals lined up with UCLA collectives. Doesn't surprise me. His family was upfront that they were all about Moore starting as a freshman and ALL about NIL deals, which is why Michigan never had a prayer despite being the hometown team and Moore's father being a diehard fan with Michigan tattoos.
Prime example why NIL should be the last thing on the mind of a big-time college recruit. If you go somewhere just for the money you're probably going to hate it and it's not going to work out.
https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/1696190656899850661?s=20
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At 8 PM on Thursday:
Nebraska at Minnesota on FOX
Florida at Utah on ESPN.
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At 8 PM on Thursday:
Nebraska at Minnesota on FOX
Florida at Utah on ESPN.
gimme the 'Huskers and Utes. LFG!
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that's how I'm rootin
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I'll probably be paying attention to Colorado @ TCU at noon in the background while I'm watching Michigan. gotta see how Coach Prime looks week 1.
Ohio State @ Indiana at 3:30 pm - will be interesting to see the QBs even if Ohio St rolls.
maybe one of West Virginia @ Penn State and UNC @ South Carolina both at 7:30 could be interesting. probably not though.
LSU @ FSU on Sunday night at 7:30pm is obviously the game of the week. can't wait to watch that one.
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I Got pulled into a work thing that starts at 4:30 or five, I’m trying to figure out with a 3:30 game if I can down lunch at the badger bar in town before heading over.
I’ll probably have to stash a collared shirt in my car.
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I Got pulled into a work thing that starts at 4:30 or five, I’m trying to figure out with a 3:30 game if I can down lunch at the badger bar in town before heading over.
I’ll probably have to stash a collared shirt in my car.
Go out and buy a positive Covid test (there is a market, for real).
That'll get you out of going to the work thing.
:)
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A buddy of mine is flying down Friday, he's a big OSU fan, so we'll catch that and then maybe head to a sports bar for whatever. I think the Dawgs are on ESPN+ which I don't get, not that I'm thrilled about that game.
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College football stocks: Teams to buy, sell heading into Week 1 of 2023 season (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/LongFormArticle/college-football-stocks-teams-to-buy-sell-heading-into-week-1-of-2023-season-214912756/?fbclid=IwAR2M-cidHWROY3uWUTLchHGQpTJrTLBkYOUNRx_xEP0sCifap_F6fwXrAjw)
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5* true frosh UCLA QB Dante Moore Word on the street was he left because he had bigger NIL deals lined up with UCLA collectives. Doesn't surprise me. His family was upfront that they were all about Moore starting as a freshman and ALL about NIL deals, which is why Michigan never had a prayer despite being the hometown team and Moore's father being a diehard fan with Michigan tattoos.
Prime example why NIL should be the last thing on the mind of a big-time college recruit. If you go somewhere just for the money you're probably going to hate it and it's not going to work out.
You're not wrong sadly this is the way things have turned but it could subside somewhat if the results backfire. This has been good roundtable discussion for the most part kids would try to sign with their favorite Teams or Plan "B" or where they could get more PT. The coin coming in they can hardly pass up just in case their CFB careers fizzle and they might actually use that degree
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College football stocks: Teams to buy, sell heading into Week 1 of 2023 season (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/LongFormArticle/college-football-stocks-teams-to-buy-sell-heading-into-week-1-of-2023-season-214912756/?fbclid=IwAR2M-cidHWROY3uWUTLchHGQpTJrTLBkYOUNRx_xEP0sCifap_F6fwXrAjw)
that's a fun game.
three I'm selling.....
1) USC - still feel like the defense is gonna stink. that will cost them a couple games. Grinch and that whole defensive staff should've been fired.
2) Bama - former UGA QB Aaron Murray's podcast really sold me on this....think they are living off Nick's rep and 'croot rankings. they could lose 3-4 games this year imo. They lost a ton of production on defense and their QB situation is atrocious and they don't have the flat out dudes at RB/WR like they used to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zusplN-70kc
3) Iowa Hawkeyes - should've fired Brian Ferentz and overhauled the entire offensive staff. not doing that will cost them. they are the inverse USC....they'll have a heckuva D but their O will cost them dearly.
three I'm buying.....
1) Notre Dame - Sam Hartman looks like a dude. Looks to have an elite OL. WRs and RBs are good enough to win with. Defense should be good. they could crash the party this year if Hartman levels up that offense.
2) Wisconsin - buying Luke Fickell to change the culture year 1. West is wide open. Transfer QB Tanner Mordecai is an upgrade over what they had at QB last year. Braelon Allen will carry them to victories while Fickell figures things out and rights the ship. I think they win the West.
3) Florida State - they really hit the transfer portal and got some good ones. Keon Coleman at WR and Jaheim Bell at TE are legit weapons to pair with Johnny Wilson for Jordan Travis. Not to mention they added the top CB in the portal, Fentrell Cypress- a guy that Jeem went after hard. He's a high level starter that will help shore up the secondary. ACC is wide open and I think this is the year FSU wins it.
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Go out and buy a positive Covid test (there is a market, for real).
That'll get you out of going to the work thing.
:)
But that's not the Wisconsin Way you've been leading us to believe all these years 😆 or is there a caveat for Football season?
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I think Florida-Utah will tell us a fair bit, about Florida anyway, whether they are a DF in the making or maybe have righted their ship.
We should start a thread titled "OVER REACTIONS!!!!"...
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don't know where to put this, so starting a new thread...UCLA names QB Ethan Garbers the Week 1 starter.
5* true frosh UCLA QB Dante Moore doesn't win the starting job even after enrolling early....and there was already smoke per the UCLA 247 insider who runs UCLA's 247 site about a month or so ago that Moore was having problems over collecting on some of NIL contracts (apparently he wasn't fulfilling all of his social media & public appearance obligations) and that he was very likely to transfer when the portal opened up for '24....wonder if this adds fuel to that fire.
Moore was the #1 player in Michigan and the #3 QB and #5 player in the nation in the '23 class. Was committed to Oregon for the longest time, then flipped to UCLA near NSD once the Oregon OC left. Word on the street was he left because he had bigger NIL deals lined up with UCLA collectives. Doesn't surprise me. His family was upfront that they were all about Moore starting as a freshman and ALL about NIL deals, which is why Michigan never had a prayer despite being the hometown team and Moore's father being a diehard fan with Michigan tattoos.
Contrast Chip Kelly choosing experience (Garbers) over the hype (Moore) and ASU rookie coach Kenny Dillingham opting for the freshman hype (Jaden Rashada) over the experience (Bourguet or Pyne) and I think it speaks to the uncommon patience and deference UCLA has provided Chip Kelly.
Keep in mind Kelly went 10-21 his first 3 years while Dan Mullen, hired the same year as Florida's head coach, goes 29-9 his first three years and his shown the door only a season later.
And patience has paid off. UCLA is 17-8 the past two seasons and goes into this season, the depth across the roster is the most robust it’s been under Chip Kelly going into his 6th season coaching UCLA, and the schedule lends itself to a third straight winning season. Another 8 or 9 wins is doable if the roster gels.
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Contrast Chip Kelly choosing experience (Garbers) over the hype (Moore) and ASU rookie coach Kenny Dillingham opting for the freshman hype (Jaden Rashada) over the experience (Bourguet or Pyne) and I think it speaks to the uncommon patience and deference UCLA has provided Chip Kelly.
Keep in mind Kelly went 10-21 his first 3 years while Dan Mullen, hired the same year as Florida's head coach, goes 29-9 his first three years and his shown the door only a season later.
At UCLA as long as you win 7-8 games a year and graduate most of your players, keep off-field scandals to a minimum, and beat USC once or twice a decade and you're set for life there.
Florida? Lol. They are out for blood if the coach is winning 7-8 games a year. Those psychopath fans probably put more unrealistic pressure on a coach than any other fanbase in America. They will keep firing coaches prematurely like clock work until they hit on a Spurrier or Urban. They don't care.
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I think Florida-Utah will tell us a fair bit, about Florida anyway, whether they are a DF in the making or maybe have righted their ship.
We should start a thread titled "OVER REACTIONS!!!!"...
hard to tell much about Florida if they happen to win the game (which I don't think they will) when Utah will be without starting QB Cam Rising.
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hard to tell much about Florida if they happen to win the game (which I don't think they will) when Utah will be without starting QB Cam Rising.
You should look at the tweet I posted on the UW thread, and what Napier had to say about his conversation with Paul Chryst, about Graham Mertz.
Hard to believe, but it was obvious.
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Ya but it's a lot easy to rack up wins the last 15 yrs or so in the PAC(RIP)
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You should look at the tweet I posted on the UW thread, and what Napier had to say about his conversation with Paul Chryst, about Graham Mertz.
Hard to believe, but it was obvious.
What was it Badge in a short summation
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What was it Badge in a short summation
The video is only like a minute, but Napier said Chryst told him he mismanaged Mertz and did not put him in a good position for success.
Clearly it was time for PC to go.
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nothing but coach speak. Mertz sucks. he's always sucked. some guys look great in HS playing weak competition in the middle of nowhere Kansas (like Mertz) or look great in camps in t-shirts and shorts (like Mertz) but just you know....kinda suck at actually playing the game of football at the highest level vs the best competition in college. it happens.
Chryst didn't mismanage Mertz. He mismanaged the roster and sold himself a bill of goods and put all his QB eggs in the shitty Graham Mertz basket.
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Well, Mertz won the job at UF, maybe he's better fit for their system.
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Clearly it was time for PC to go.
Really thought he was the guy when hired
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Well, Mertz won the job at UF, maybe he's better fit for their system.
which should cause all UF fans to be in absolute panic mode that their roster is so bad at QB that Mertz actually won it. I think of all the major helmet or near helmet teams in the nation, only UF had a more break glass it's panic mode our QBs f'ng suck bleak outlook at the QB spot than Bama.
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Really thought he was the guy when hired
some dudes are just better at OC/DC than HC. he probably falls into that category.
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nothing but coach speak. Mertz sucks. he's always sucked. some guys look great in HS playing weak competition in the middle of nowhere Kansas (like Mertz) or look great in camps in t-shirts and shorts (like Mertz) but just you know....kinda suck at actually playing the game of football at the highest level vs the best competition in college. it happens.
Chryst didn't mismanage Mertz. He mismanaged the roster and sold himself a bill of goods and put all his QB eggs in the shitty Graham Mertz basket.
My friend...
Paul Chryst said those word himself. If he thinks he mismanaged Mertz, then he did.
It will be interesting to see how he plays this year.
Every school in the country wanted that kid for a reason.
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Mertz sucks. he's always sucked but just kinda suck at actually playing the game of football at the highest level vs the best competition in college. it happens.
C'mon shouldn't we wait until like he throws 2 pick sixes and cost his team a chance at the National title? :cheer:
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My friend...
Paul Chryst said those word himself. If he thinks he mismanaged Mertz, then he did.
It will be interesting to see how he plays this year.
Every school in the country wanted that kid for a reason.
because he looked good in t-shirts and shorts. 6'3, live arm, probably a 4.8 guy- which is pretty athletic for a pocket passer. lot of good raw tools to work with. unfortunately he just isn't very good at playing QB. lot of other things go into it than being 6'3, having a strong arm, and being an above average athlete for the position.
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C'mon shouldn't we wait until like he throws 2 pick sixes and cost his team a chance at the National title? :cheer:
JJ 2-0 vs Ohio State and took a dump all over the OSU D in that dump known as the Shoe. After the last 15+ years of hell of OSU bitch slapping Michigan....JJ can do no wrong in my eyes. He makes it 3 in a row this year, build the damn kid a statue.
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3 in a row and he's got no reason to come back
statue isn't gonna get bigger
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My friend...
Paul Chryst said those word himself. If he thinks he mismanaged Mertz, then he did.
It will be interesting to see how he plays this year.
Every school in the country wanted that kid for a reason.
Some people say nice things as to not trash kids.
Honesty, we know a lot less about football because people are nice.
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JJ 2-0 vs Ohio State and took a dump all over the OSU D in that dump known as the Shoe. After the last 15+ years of hell of OSU bitch slapping Michigan....JJ can do no wrong in my eyes. He makes it 3 in a row this year, build the damn kid a statue.
Great and look at the line he played behind see where he goes in the draft and he wasn't a last second missed kick from beating the National Champs - so things can change. With all 5 skilled position starters out the whole 4th QTR.
The shoe is the Taj Mahal compared to the outhouse they didn't give out tickes with two liters of Coke or what ever their grasping was
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because he looked good in t-shirts and shorts. 6'3, live arm, probably a 4.8 guy- which is pretty athletic for a pocket passer. lot of good raw tools to work with. unfortunately he just isn't very good at playing QB. lot of other things go into it than being 6'3, having a strong arm, and being an above average athlete for the position.
Again, Chryst said he mismanaged him. And he did - it was obvious. The OL play also slipped in a big way, which was also obvious. Time to move on.
And now that he has admitted this, he's not getting another job unless it's UW-Platteville - or less.
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Really thought he was the guy when hired
He looked the part early on, and then Covid came, and he never recovered.
Won the West in 3 or his first four seasons, was competitive in the CCG's and won big 2 NY 6 bowl games and got to another.
That ain't bad.
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And now that he has admitted this, he's not getting another job unless it's UW-Platteville - or less.
Not like he really has to go back to work like the rest of us.....well at least me
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Might be an analyst at Texas now. That's a good spot for him.
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Texas needs help
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which should cause all UF fans to be in absolute panic mode that their roster is so bad at QB that Mertz actually won it. I think of all the major helmet or near helmet teams in the nation, only UF had a more break glass it's panic mode our QBs f'ng suck bleak outlook at the QB spot than Bama.
Panic mode before any games have been played is dumb. He'll either play well or not play well. There's one way to find out.
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LSU/Florida/Georgia/Nebraska TE Arik Gilbert arrested for burglary.
He's definitely going to turn it around. No doubt in my mind.
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Just hours b4 the Big Ten season opens with Nebraska @ Minnesota. I look forward to it because it is the first conference game of the season, but otherwise I detest Thursday games not associated with a holiday or bowl game.
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I like games as many nights as possible, even Mondays and Tuesdays.
I'm a fan
Even my team.
1 DAY
18 HRS
34 MINS
31 SECS
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- Florida (+9.5) vs. Utah
- South Carolina (+1.5) vs. North Carolina
- Texas A&M (-37.5) vs. New Mexico
- Alabama (-37) vs. Middle Tennessee
- Tennessee (-27) vs. Virginia
- Kentucky (-26) vs. Ball State
- Auburn (-39.5) vs. UMass
- LSU (-2) vs. Florida State
From the Land Down underish
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Texas needs help
Nebraska needs more.
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yup, I hope I see improvement on the O-line tomorrow evening
I'm not real optimistic
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It's hard to believe that SIXTEEN YEARS have passed since the Big Ten Network came to be, but without that much of this realignment stupidity doesn't come to pass.
https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1696905573361500424?s=20
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thanks for sharing. just read the entire article. great read.
cliff notes: if you guys want to blame anyone for all of this conference realignment and "ruining the sport", blame the stupid greedy woke fks at Disney/ESPN.
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Humans are greedy, film at 11.
(And yes, I think some have been able to manage and control their greed more properly, I know I make that effort.)
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thanks for sharing. just read the entire article. great read.
cliff notes: if you guys want to blame anyone for all of this conference realignment and "ruining the sport", blame the stupid greedy woke fks at Disney/ESPN.
Eh, I blame the stupid greedy assholes in the conference HQs around the nation. They didn't HAVE to sell out their sports just because the networks were offering money.
And then of course I have to blame the bosses of those conference HQ executives-- the presidents and chancellors and ADs of the universities.
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Eh, I blame the stupid greedy assholes in the conference HQs around the nation. They didn't HAVE to sell out their sports just because the networks were offering money.
And then of course I have to blame the bosses of those conference HQ executives-- the presidents and chancellors and ADs of the universities.
Plenty of blame to go around.
If you really want to assign the lion's share of the blame, blame whoever was in the NCAA offices in 1984.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/college-football-season-kicks-meet-man-says-screwed-ncaa-sport-rcna101266
“We tried at every stage to negotiate an agreement of some kind, to limit what would happen. But we learned the ‘NCAA’ stood for ‘Never Compromise Anything at Anytime’ and they wouldn’t even talk to us,” Coats said.
Since the NCAA was unable or unwilling to fix the problem, someone else fixed it for them, and they didn't like how it got fixed. Sound familiar?
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Plenty of blame to go around.
If you really want to assign the lion's share of the blame, blame whoever was in the NCAA offices in 1984.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/college-football-season-kicks-meet-man-says-screwed-ncaa-sport-rcna101266
Since the NCAA was unable or unwilling to fix the problem, someone else fixed it for them, and they didn't like how it got fixed. Sound familiar?
It's more fun to just blame OU (and Georgia) who were the original greedy bastages that sued the NCAA and started the path to the big bucks.
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It's more fun to just blame OU (and Georgia) who were the original greedy bastages that sued the NCAA and started the path to the big bucks.
Indeed. OU sucks.
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- Florida (+9.5) vs. Utah
- South Carolina (+1.5) vs. North Carolina
- Texas A&M (-37.5) vs. New Mexico
- Alabama (-37) vs. Middle Tennessee
- Tennessee (-27) vs. Virginia
- Kentucky (-26) vs. Ball State
- Auburn (-39.5) vs. UMass
- LSU (-2) vs. Florida State
From the Land Down underish
What's the over/under on the number of turnovers that Auburn would have to commit, in order to barf up a game against UMass?
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Double-digits?
So Utah's QB is out and their great TE is a maybe.
Go Gators!
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What's the over/under on the number of turnovers that Auburn would have to commit, in order to barf up a game against UMass?
How many drives would Auburn get? Maybe that minus 1. Maybe.
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Double-digits?
So Utah's QB is out and their great TE is a maybe.
Go Gators!
and still favored by 9????
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4.5 now
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What's the over/under on the number of turnovers that Auburn would have to commit, in order to barf up a game against UMass?
17.4
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https://twitter.com/GopherHole/status/1697112556312408460?t=4NCPxgyRZhymn4gKubk8Hg&s=19
One of the best New Brickhouse traditions.
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https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1697011215632052493?s=20
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This is the first time Florida left the state for an OOC game since 1991.
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This is the first time Florida left the state for an OOC game since 1991.
That's because they went to Syracuse for a beating. And here we are, 32 years later, and they're gonna take another beating.
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That's because they went to Syracuse for a beating. And here we are, 32 years later, and they're gonna take another beating.
I don't think so. I think the Gators are gonna win. But it should be an entertaining game to watch.
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I don't think so. I think the Gators are gonna win. But it should be an entertaining game to watch.
Cam Rising and their stud TE are out for Utah. You might be right. Think it'll be closer than everyone thinks, but still think Utah pulls it off at home. Florida is gonna suck pretty hard this year imo.
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Cam Rising and their stud TE are out for Utah. You might be right. Think it'll be closer than everyone thinks, but still think Utah pulls it off at home. Florida is gonna suck pretty hard this year imo.
Did not know that.
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I don't think so. I think the Gators are gonna win. But it should be an entertaining game to watch.
Don't discount altitude. It's an ass-kicker.
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Don't discount altitude. It's an ass-kicker.
good point. especially when it's a team coming into Salt Lake City from the swamps of Florida where the elevation is zilch. them Florida boys going to be huffing and puffing for air.
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Did not know that.
I did. I read it here, OAM posted it.
Cam Rising is another notable UT transfer QB who left our program to succeed elsewhere. Yay...
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Rising is out, but Barnes is a serviceable backup. He has some experience and even led the team to a win over Washington State last year. I thought the stud TE (Kincaid) went pro last year? The starting TE (Kuithe) is listed as probable, but may still be a bit banged up.
Napier doesn't appear to be a very good coach, and I don't expect anything from the Gators this year. They could still pick off Utah in this game though, as they did last year.
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https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1697011215632052493?s=20
LOL of course. His buyout is about the same size as the entire economy of the state of Iowa, so no, he can't get fired for much.
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Is this the SOC thread?
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Is this the SOC thread?
sure. why not.
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SOC usually shows up at 6am on Saturday morning. We can use this for Thursday/Friday games.
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It is a beautiful day here in the Twin Cities.
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the sun always shines on the Huskers!
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It is a beautiful day here in the Twin Cities.
Damn don't think it broke 72 here but the wind is from the North, so cool/sunny - no complaints
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Nubbz,
Picked up a couple 12-packs of Yuengling in Mizzori this morning
sippin my 2nd one now!!
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Never so happy to hear Gus Johnson again
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70 yard TD on first play from scrimmage for Utah. 7-0.
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Utah strikes fast
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wonder if a 7 pt lead is enough with Graham Mertz at QB....
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Our long national nightmare is over.
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With everyone Utah has out, Florida better win this game. We weathered the dumpster fire start to the game, and are more talented overall.
If we keep this poise, maybe we can win a 24-13 type of boring game. I'll take that.
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With everyone Utah has out, Florida better win this game. We weathered the dumpster fire start to the game, and are more talented overall.
If we keep this poise, maybe we can win a 24-13 type of boring game. I'll take that.
they just blew huge opportunity to pick up a first down with a false start and then missed an easy kick….not looking great for your boys so far.
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Discipline
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Florida false starts on a 4th and 1 which eliminates going for it. They then botch the short kick. 7-3 Utah who is now playing the 3rd string QB.
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Lack of
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Jfc how do you get that penalty Florida when you’re about to get the ball back?
Lol.
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Yeah, cancel that.
False start.
Missed FG.
Same jersey extending their drive.
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We are dumb.
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ESPN channels currently off air for Spectrum customers. According to Spectrum's blackout screen, Disney rejected their next contract proposal, instead demanding an increase. As if the House of Mouse doesn't already have enough problems. So, unable to watch Florida-Utah, I'm kicking back to Nebraska-Minnesota. Meanwhile, at my brother's he is experiencing the opposite. His AT&T carrier rejected a deal with Fox so no Nebraska-Minnesota for him.
(https://i.imgur.com/SzF8T0j.jpg)
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Florida keeps a Utah Drive alive with having two players with the same number on the field during a punt.
This new dual number thing in CFB is a pet peeve of mine. Kids are too married to numbers. It limits what you might want to do on ST.
And Utah takes advantage with a TD. 14-3. Florida’s ST coach may not be allowed on the plane back.
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that Utah QB Johnson can’t throw for shit but hot damn he’s shifty and fast.
14-3. Might be ball game if Florida goes 3 and out and then Utah scores again. If Utah is up 17-3 or 21-3 not sure Mertz is the type of QB that can throw you back into a game on the road….
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Is that VY?
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Not a good look
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Omg homie for Florida shanked that punt. Ugly ass punt.
Florida putting the SPECIAL in special teams tonight.
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That is obviously a terrible decision by Sims but that’s a poorly designed play. Nebraska had 3 receivers running routes within 5 yards of each other in the EZ.
They had WR running a hitch just across the goal line, a TE running an out pattern heading directly toward him, and then another WR running a shallow corner route just behind the kid running the hitch. Too easy for a DB to come off his man to help on another route.
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I'd rather just lose straight up, rather than self-inflicted penalties, missed FGs, and shanked punts.
This Florida team is not an evolution/continuation from 2022, it's a new team - massive turnover of the dudes on the field.
These guys are talented, but half of them don't know what they're doing and none of them know what the guy next to them is doing.
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That is obviously a terrible decision by Sims but that’s a poorly designed play. Nebraska had 3 receivers running routes within 5 yards of each other in the EZ.
They had WR running a hitch just across the goal line, a TE running an out pattern heading directly toward him, and then another WR running a shallow corner route just behind the kid running the hitch. Too easy for a DB to come off his man to help on another route.
#87 was open on the goal line for an easy TD
bad decision by Simms
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Rhule has some work to do. The clearest sign of coaching quality are presnap penalties. They had two killer ones followed by ghastly turnovers.
This game is going about how I expected it to go.
And then the kickoff goes right into FG range.
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#87 was open on the goal line for an easy TD
bad decision by Simms
I agree it was a bad decision by Sims, but the DB who picked it off was easily able to help off the hitch and drift back a few steps to pick it off the corner route. He chose the wrong receiver to throw it to, but I didn’t love all that traffic in such a condensed space either.
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Nebraska with a trick play that initially looks like disaster for them results in a TD. 7-3 Huskers.
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WHAT. THE. EVER. LOVING. FUCK. WAS. THAT.
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Matt Rhule studying Les Miles’ book of trick plays.
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Florida just handing this game away.
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Mertz not looking any better for the Gators.
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WHAT. THE. EVER. LOVING. FUCK. WAS. THAT.
twas a thang of beauty
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24-3. This one’s over.
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Mertz not looking any better for the Gators.
he hasn’t looked great, but it’s not all his fault. Florida’s OL absolutely sucks royally. he is inaccurate and does hold the ball too long and panics under pressure still tho.
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WHAT. THE. EVER. LOVING. FUCK. WAS. THAT.
that was…wild to say the least…
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Utah's last TD...
Where did who goooo? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFXszIFkiAQ)
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Florida just handing this game away.
they are a bad team doing bad team things.
Florida kinda just sucks…kinda like I expected they would.
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It's possible my prediction that Florida would win... was incorrect.
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Possible maybe probable
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It's possible my prediction that Florida would win... was incorrect.
It’s not the first time you were wrong. There was that time back 2006….😂
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my god Florida’s offensive line truly sucks
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Fork
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switching over to Nebraska - Minnesota. Don’t see how Florida is gonna comeback from 21 with only 1 QTR left in the game.
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Huskers O-line and QB play has been suspect at best, but the Gophers only have 3 points so far
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This is a Sicko Committee special. Neither team can get control of this hand.
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Rhule said it might be ugly
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My30 and 60 for Ronald
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Especially considering a Nebraska pass rusher was lost to a targeting call, Nebraska's defense is impressive. That should keep them in most games.
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Rhule said it might be ugly
aka this game is so B1G West. Would be 3-3 right now if not for that insane broken trick play by Nebraska.
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I'd love to feel that way
I'm guessing the Gopher's side arming QB and new RB aren't too good
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Alright. I got in on Florida at +6.5. When they got the 2 point conversion to cut it to 24-11 I got intrigued again. Now they get the ball back in great field position after Utah misses a 55 yard FG.
Looking for a back door cover here.
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I'd love to feel that way
I'm guessing the Gopher's side arming QB and new RB aren't too good
their rebuilt OL looks kinda suspect too…but it is only week 1…
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Wow. Neb just gave them life with that fumble at midfield. This game is just like the B1G W last year. No one wants to win it.
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The off kilter team logos and graphics on the penalties for Fox is giving early ESPN2 vibes.
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The off kilter team logos and graphics on the penalties for Fox is giving early ESPN2 vibes.
Keep it here after the game, for X Games, '97!
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Well.....obviously, Florida is going 11-1 this year. Can't win 'em all.
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That is a great catch.
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Was that ever close.
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That is just superb footwork. Great effort.
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That referee could still play ball.
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Minny QB has a noodle arm. Jackson had to make an insane catch to get that and he should’ve had a TD on a few plays earlier but the QB threw him a duck that was overthrown to the back of the end zone.
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That is a great catch.
Insane catch. Would’ve been an easy catch if it was thrown better- Jackson burned that zone coverage and was all by himself
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yup
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And….that’s why Sims lost the QB job at Georgia Tech. Great athlete, bad passer.
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Uh oh, Nebraska
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Field goal range for Minnesota.
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Field goal range for Minnesota.
Well..
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I thought Minnesota should have taken the penalty on the extra point, and went for 2. P J Fleck knew better than me.
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Field rush?
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Brutal just woke up and tuned in with 55 sec.
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Huskers bumbled that one away. Nice W for the flying Flecks.
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And….that’s why Sims lost the QB job at Georgia Tech. Great athlete, bad passer.
not impressive a tall
Wish Casey Thompson would have stayed
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Winning like Iowa. Can't get a Big Ten title playing like that; can stay in most games with defense; both teams. They both could use better QB play.
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same shit, different season, different coaching staff, different QB
turnovers, penalties, crap O-line play, find a way to lose in the 4th
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same shit, different season, different coaching staff, different QB
turnovers, penalties, crap O-line play, find a way to lose in the 4th
tough loss
Minn has a very good defense
Huskers just need to hold on to the ball
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The last time the Gophers won 5 straight against Nebraska, Harry Truman was still the president.
I guarantee that the brass at the Big Ten office didn't expect Minnesota to be 7-5 vs Nebraska and on a 5 game winning streak when they came into the league.
I'm not sure what to think going forward. Gophers played like trash for 55 minutes and still won. If the Nebraska QB could throw they would have won by daylight.
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same shit, different season, different coaching staff, different QB
turnovers, penalties, crap O-line play, find a way to lose in the 4th
Exactly what I was thinking. Same old Nebraska. Different coach. Different QB. Same result.
I saw a stat Nabraska was 2-13 in one score games the last 2 years. Make it 2-14 now.
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The last time the Gophers won 5 straight against Nebraska, Harry Truman was still the president.
👀
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same shit, different season, different coaching staff, different QB
turnovers, penalties, crap O-line play, find a way to lose in the 4th
the turnovers were killer....especially when they happened. Sims threw 3 INT's, all of them were pretty bad but the last two were just killer. Can't force a ball in the goal line when Nebraska would've gotten 3 if he just threw it away and lived to fight another down. Killer. Final one obviously terrible as well. Dude just is what he is at this point- it's his 4th year in college- he's started plenty of games in the past, he has experience. He should not be making these awful mistakes constantly for a player of his age with the amount of experience he has.
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https://twitter.com/boxingfan3333/status/1697450001809502235?s=20
https://twitter.com/nocontextcfb/status/1697451509162856918?s=20
https://twitter.com/douglas1271941/status/1697420569652716020?s=20
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Wow, what an inauspicious start for Rhule. I flipped the game on just in time to see Nebraska's TD then I saw their FG and they looked great. Then they did what Nebraska has been doing for a number of years now and found a creative way to lose a close game. Too bad for them.
Question for @OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) or anyone else who watched the Florida/Utah game. My phone says that Florida outgained Utah 346-270 and . . . lost by 13. What happened, did they get rocked by turnovers?
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Florida offense flounders in loss at No. 14 Utah: College football media reacts to Gators' miscues (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/longformarticle/florida-offense-flounders-in-loss-at-no-14-utah-college-football-media-reacts-to-gators-miscues-215147994/#2227917)
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I really, truly, honestly hate to say this, but Florida looks extremely poorly coached. I haven't seen a team that lost and directionless since Charlie Strong was on the sideline in Austin.
Yes, Florida looks Charlie Strong-bad. That's... a really bad place to be.
I don't wish Charlie Strong levels of incompetence on ANY team. Well, except the sooners and ags of course.
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The lack of discipline was obvious, and key. They did often look lost, to me. Maybe that reflects massive turnover in players, I don't know, but they need to start looking more "composed" soonish. It's one thing to get outplayed, on the road, against a ranked team, OK fine, but looking that bad is ... a problem. And folks said they looked horrible in their spring game, which is tough to do.
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Shoulda kept Dan Mullin. Oops.
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Question for @OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) or anyone else who watched the Florida/Utah game. My phone says that Florida outgained Utah 346-270 and . . . lost by 13. What happened, did they get rocked by turnovers?
I was in and out for that game. Mostly watched the Goophs and UNL.
UF had 346 total yards, yes.
333 through the air!! Lots of penalties. Mertz got beat up - 5 sacks.
That's how you lose.
Florida just sucks right now.
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They had some really critical penalties, not just ordinary ones. They passed pretty well overall, couldn't run at all, could barely protect Mertz.
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Florida is a poorly coached team with atrocious special teams and a truly god awful OL. That's a holy trinity for sucking ass at football.
I thought Florida's defense played pretty well all things considered- aside from that busted coverage by RJ Moten to start the game (btw you're welcome for him Florida). Utah's back-up QB was pretty mid- had a weak arm and forced a lot into tight coverage- should've had multiple picks. Utah's 3rd string QB is basically a running back who cannot throw the football for shit- dude looks like a midget with baby hands and he coughed the ball up a couple times- and was fortunate to have Utah recover- but boy is he fast and shifty as hell.
Florida probably loses by 30 if Cam Rising was healthy starting the game.
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Shoulda kept Dan Mullin. Oops.
Florida keeps hiring and firing not giving any coach time to build a program. They've had 4 coaches in the 12 years since Urban left. It's about to be 5 coaches in 13 years because they are going to throw Napier in the trash after the 2-10 season he's about to have.
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On the other hand, had Florida cleaned up a few bad mistakes, they might have won (maybe). The special teams double number penalty hurt a lot. The two false starts on 3rd and 1 obviously were critical. Clean up a few things and possibly win on the road? Not terrible. If they cleaned it up.
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Wow, what an inauspicious start for Rhule. I flipped the game on just in time to see Nebraska's TD then I saw their FG and they looked great. Then they did what Nebraska has been doing for a number of years now and found a creative way to lose a close game. Too bad for them.
I don't think there was anything creative about it. Jeff Sims just sucks at playing QB. Pretty freaky athlete with great size though.
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On the other hand, had Florida cleaned up a few bad mistakes, they might have won (maybe). The special teams double number penalty hurt a lot. The two false starts on 3rd and 1 obviously were critical. Clean up a few things and possibly win on the road? Not terrible. If they cleaned it up.
And if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle.
Florida is a poorly coached team with bad special teams and a horrible OL. And they did exactly what poorly coached teams with bad special teams and horrible OLs do....
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Florida keeps hiring and firing not giving any coach time to build a program. They've had 4 coaches in the 12 years since Urban left. It's about to be 5 coaches in 13 years because they are going to throw Napier in the trash after the 2-10 season he's about to have.
I'd go down the road a bit and grab Gus from UCF.
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Florida keeps hiring and firing not giving any coach time to build a program. They've had 4 coaches in the 12 years since Urban left. It's about to be 5 coaches in 13 years because they are going to throw Napier in the trash after the 2-10 season he's about to have.
Texas is in the same boat but it's a gamble. Texas COULD have held on to Charlie Strong a year or two longer. But he proved out to be an awful coach that set the program several decades back. Ending the damage he was doing to the program as quickly as possible, was of paramount importance, even if it meant jumping back on the coaching carousel. That's hindsight speaking, but it shows that Texas made the correct decision in cutting him loose as quickly as possible.
Tom Herman wasn't a terrible coach, he was just an arrogant asshole who alienated everyone around him, including the players. Once the locker room turned against him, there was no choice but to terminate. We had players on our team literally telling recruits to go elsewhere. Not just a few bad apples, well over half the team, held that sentiment.
So then we hired... Sarkisian. I guess I can say the jury is still out. I don't have much faith that he's "the guy" but he's definitely a better coach than Strong, and not a complete shithead like Herman.
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Texas is in the same boat but it's a gamble. Texas COULD have held on to Charlie Strong a year or two longer. But he proved out to be an awful coach that set the program several decades back. Ending the damage he was doing to the program as quickly as possible, was of paramount importance, even if it meant jumping back on the coaching carousel. That's hindsight speaking, but it shows that Texas made the correct decision in cutting him loose as quickly as possible.
Tom Herman wasn't a terrible coach, he was just an arrogant asshole who alienated everyone around him, including the players. Once the locker room turned against him, there was no choice but to terminate. We had players on our team literally telling recruits to go elsewhere. Not just a few bad apples, well over half the team, held that sentiment.
So then we hired... Sarkisian. I guess I can say the jury is still out. I don't have much faith that he's "the guy" but he's definitely a better coach than Strong, and not a complete shithead like Herman.
This is mostly how I view coaching hires.
At the end of the day it is more of an art than a science. Four years is plenty, if they aren't getting it done after four years, time to move on.
If it takes you four tries to get it right and you keep each one six years, it takes 18. If you keep each one four years then it only takes 12.
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What percentage of major program coaching hires work out to the point the coach stays a decade without being fired? Or more than three years?
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Not starting its own thread, but my pick:
Michigan State 38, Central Michigan 23
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Shoulda kept Dan Mullin. Oops.
I thought Mullen was/is solid won Bowl games his 1st 2 seasons then took a dipp for two season so IMO he should have gotten a tie breaker
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Tom Herman wasn't a terrible coach, he was just an arrogant asshole who alienated everyone around him, including the players. Once the locker room turned against him, there was no choice but to terminate. We had players on our team literally telling recruits to go elsewhere. Not just a few bad apples, well over half the team, held that sentiment.
Didn't know that he certainly showed promise for a few seasons earlier
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Florida is a poorly coached team with atrocious special teams and a truly god awful OL. That's a holy trinity for sucking ass at football.
I really, truly, honestly hate to say this, but Florida looks extremely poorly coached. I haven't seen a team that lost and directionless since Charlie Strong was on the sideline in Austin.
Yes, Florida looks Charlie Strong-bad. That's... a really bad place to be.
Damn I thought Napier was the up and comer and seemed like a good pick.847 maybe nailed it Mullen maybe should have been left alone he had 2 yrs remaining on the contract
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Didn't know that he certainly showed promise for a few seasons earlier
Yeah he definitely showed promise. I liked the hire at the time, it just didn't work out. He was definitely not "head coach at a bigtime program" material when he arrived. Perhaps someday he will be.
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Well according to Zack Smith (take that with a grain of salt) when he was recruiting with Herman they did blow off a strippers stomach at Nudie bar. I'm no prude but Da Fuq if true and we can't be sure what would the H.S.Coaches they were courting for recruits think? If all that's true they should be dropped off on the Galapagos for a year. All that coin and comfort that came with their position should forever be forfeited - dumb bastages
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Sark could be CotY
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Sark could be CotY
if they win 10+ games and win the B12 he will be imo
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F49E5rCXUAkXqA7?format=jpg&name=large)
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I saw that. Oops.
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Graham Mertz threw for 333 yards, a touchdown, and an interception in his first start for the Gators. Ricky Pearsall had 92 yards on eight catches. Florida drove inside the red zone four times but totaled only 10 points on those drives.They gave up 5 Sacks
So Mertz wasn't bad at all when you factor in the Ute's beat SC twice last season and won the PAC
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Saint Nick finally breaks down and names Jalen Milroe the starter at QB over portal transfer from ND Tyler Buchner. won't stick imo. Milroe is absolute diarrhea dogshit at throwing the football, as in he literally cannot do it. Freak athlete. can run like the wind though. unless Little Nicky is going to run the Wing T or Triple option- that's not a startable QB imo. Bama QB situation is that bad he was the best option they had. Kinda nuts.
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knew Utah was missing the QB Rising and their TE, but just saw that Utah was down 8 starters and was actually on their 3rd and 4th string QBs because Rising is obviously the starter and the backup QB that was suppose to fill in for Rising until he recovered from injury got hurt in fall camp and is done for the season. holy shit Florida. they legit might not win more than 2 games this year.
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The Gators made him look like QB3 Cardale Jones too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZkReLvC71M
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Arizona State only beat Southern Utah by 3.
Southern Utah is not a very strong FCS team.
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did it w/o Herm??
Herm's worth 4 TDs
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did it w/o Herm??
Herm's worth 4 TDs
Herm's off field "tactics" might be
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Sparty got a home gift from the refs, that wasn't a first down. Bad spot for CMU.
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Sparty is hanging in there
why not kick the FG if yer the CHIPPEWAS?
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Sparty is hanging in there
why not kick the FG if yer the CHIPPEWAS?
road dogs, probably thinking they need to swing for the fences. idk. i'm with you, should've taken the points in a game that might be low on scoring.
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Sparty really about to be down 7-3 at half to CMU at home....Mel Tucker earning that $10 milly a year right now. Not.
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a young Lamar Jackson?
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Alante Brown back returning kicks after being carted off?
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a young Lamar Jackson?
lmao I caught that....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lITBGjNEp08
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Finally- a nice drive by Sparty.
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Florida-Utah on Thursday night became ESPN's most-watched college football opener since 2017:
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Saint Nick finally breaks down and names Jalen Milroe the starter at QB over portal transfer from ND Tyler Buchner. won't stick imo. Milroe is absolute diarrhea dogshit at throwing the football, as in he literally cannot do it. Freak athlete. can run like the wind though. unless Little Nicky is going to run the Wing T or Triple option- that's not a startable QB imo. Bama QB situation is that bad he was the best option they had. Kinda nuts.
If Alabama ran the option, it'd be mid-90s Nebraska all over again.
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Arizona State only beat Southern Utah by 3.
Southern Utah is not a very strong FCS team.
Much of the game was played in a haboob.
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Central Michigan won 3 games last year and is starting a freshman at QB this year. Sparty was in an absolute dogfight at the half at home up only 3. Mel better tune it up and turn it on second half and they better pull away.
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Central Michigan won 3 games last year and is starting a freshman at QB this year. Sparty was in an absolute dogfight at the half at home up only 3. Mel better tune it up and turn it on second half and they better pull away.
The halftime score don’t mean much. It’s a 60 minute game. Especially first game.
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Much of the game was played in a haboob.
I will admit it. I had to look up the meaning of
“haboob.”
I never knew there were words containing boob that were unfamiliar.
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Florida is a poorly coached team with atrocious special teams and a truly god awful OL. That's a holy trinity for sucking ass at football.
I thought Florida's defense played pretty well all things considered- aside from that busted coverage by RJ Moten to start the game (btw you're welcome for him Florida). Utah's back-up QB was pretty mid- had a weak arm and forced a lot into tight coverage- should've had multiple picks. Utah's 3rd string QB is basically a running back who cannot throw the football for shit- dude looks like a midget with baby hands and he coughed the ball up a couple times- and was fortunate to have Utah recover- but boy is he fast and shifty as hell.
Florida probably loses by 30 if Cam Rising was healthy starting the game.
Wow, I didn't know it was possible to learn so much from one game.
If the guy doesn't jump offsides before the missed FG, Florida could have had the lead after bouncing back from an awful start. We could have run the ball more and actually made use of the defense holding Utah impotent for a quarter and a half.
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A lot of went wrong could easily be cleaned up. Florida could show a great improvement of the little things next week. They either will or will not. Luckily, there's 11 more games.
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Tucker entering his Dantonio phase
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Miami showing out in the season opener....like usual. Lol.
https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1697753232871682366?s=20
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Central Michigan won 3 games last year and is starting a freshman at QB this year. Sparty was in an absolute dogfight at the half at home up only 3. Mel better tune it up and turn it on second half and they better pull away.
pulling away
Chip QB is worse than Jeff Simms
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seems Georgia Tech has found a QB
Geez us
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I say it every year, Michigan State's field looks so good under the lights. Best in BIG. Only LSU looks this good. Penn St is pretty good too.
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Yes. Sparty manhandling them now.
MSU started a first time Starter At QB too- takes a few to get a rhythm.
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I say it every year, Michigan State's field looks so good under the lights. Best in BIG. Only LSU looks this good. Penn St is pretty good too.
Real grass always looks better. That's why PSU is right there. FieldTurf has a weird reflection that makes it look cheap under the lights.
Its why I don't hate the Chiefs being elite. I love watching them host prime time games
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So, Georgia Tech scored more points in it's first half without Jeff Sims than it scored in 10 of 11 whole FBS games last year
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Miami showing out in the season opener....like usual. Lol.
https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1697753232871682366?s=20
Yeah, but just wait until you see the draw when they host SMU or Cal
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Omaha U had more fans at their volleyball match.
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Yes, grass definitely is superior, though Northwestern and Purdue looks abysmal under the lights. Some of these places just look better. Usc for instance doesn't look right. The low pitch looks good in daytime but at night it looks so flat. Wisconsin too flat, looks dingy Ohio state too high.
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Michigan State has a quarterback.
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The Panthers released No. 3 QB Matt Corral
Teddy Bridgewater???
Baker Mayfield
Can he evaluate QBs?
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Yeah, but just wait until you see the draw when they host SMU or Cal
might be one issue with recruiting there
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SMU at Cuse. Who's ready?!
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Is there some non monetary reason why the Land Grant game is being played at Ford Field this year?
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Is there some non monetary reason why the Land Grant game is being played at Ford Field this year?
No. But nobody goes to that Thanksgiving weekend game when MSU hosts, so take the money.
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Well, the first half was ugly, but that wound up being a way more comfortable win than I expected.
Impressed with the halftime defensive adjustments. Granted that was against a
Middle of the pack MAC team,.that didn't have a second pitch. Once they figured out that that guy, Lamar Jackson comparisons aside, couldn't throw the ball at all, they shut him down. The one touchdown came on a completely broken coverage, where I could have hit the guy. No big 10 team will ever feature a quarterback with that little ability to throw
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Well, the first half was ugly, but that wound up being a way more.comfortable wi. Than I expected
Yes. They easily beat the spread. Noah Kim looked really good once he got settled in. A good start overall.
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Anyone else think the new Fox Sports graphics look like the icons to select your team from like NCAA 04?
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So, Georgia Tech scored more points in it's first half without Jeff Sims than it scored in 10 of 11 whole FBS games last year
Update: Still at 28 points
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Terrible drop by the GT TE
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The gold helmet - navy jersey - white pants for Tech is universally loved.
These jerseys are....what...puke gold?
Stop.
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Anyone else think the new Fox Sports graphics look like the icons to select your team from like NCAA 04?
My favorite aspect of NCAA was when they'd have pregame highlights of players vs that game's opponent, in the uniform colors you'd be wearing in your game.
Strange use of time travel.
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The gold helmet - navy jersey - white pants for Tech is universally loved.
These jerseys are....what...puke gold?
Stop.
Georgia tech rarely wears the blue jerseys, correct? I thought them, LSU, and the Cowboys or the teams that wore whites at home
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Anyone else think the new Fox Sports graphics look like the icons to select your team from like NCAA 04?
Oh, that is what it looks like. (I kinda like parts of the score bug, not the flag graphic, though)
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Georgia tech rarely wears the blue jerseys, correct? I thought them, LSU, and the Cowboys or the teams that wore whites at home
Yes, they actively avoid their best look.
(https://i.imgur.com/49YkvFc.jpg)
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Georgia tech rarely wears the blue jerseys, correct? I thought them, LSU, and the Cowboys or the teams that wore whites at home
The blue looks so clean, though
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Georgia tech rarely wears the blue jerseys, correct? I thought them, LSU, and the Cowboys or the teams that wore whites at home
Lots of NFL teams have started wearing white at home, at least occasionally. As far as I know, Dallas is still the only one that does it exclusively.
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Lots of NFL teams have started wearing white at home, at least occasionally. As far as I know, Dallas is still the only one that does it exclusively.
Didn't the Redskins and Eagles always wear home whites back in the day?
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I enjoy it when the home team wears white just to cause the boys to go dark
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Didn't the Redskins and Eagles always wear home whites back in the day?
when they hosted the boys
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Florida-Utah on Thursday night became ESPN's most-watched college football opener since 2017:
How is that possible when almost 19 Million people couldn't watch it due to a lockout?
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Time to lock this one down.
We have the STREAM now!