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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on June 08, 2023, 05:54:50 PM
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They've got both 2-year, home-and-home opponents and permanent rivals going beyond that (with some exceptions).
Teams in bold are annual rivals, regular font = home-and-home just for '24 and '25:
Illinois: Northwestern, Purdue, Ohio St
Indiana: Maryland, MSU, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, MSU, Ohio St
MSU: Indiana, Michigan, Penn St
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, UCLA
N'Western: Illinois, Ohio St, Purdue
Ohio St: Illinois, Michigan, N'Western
Penn St: MSU, Rutgers, USC
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, N'Western
Rutgers: Maryland, Penn St, UCLA
UCLA: Nebraska, Rutgers, USC
USC: Penn St, UCLA, Wisconsin
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, USC
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Yes, Iowa's 3 opponents are ongoing.
No, Penn St doesn't have any ongoing opponents at this time.
This is called a "Flex Protect Plus" scheduling model. It's a 2-year stop-gap, like the SEC's 1-year idea of kicking the can down the road.
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2024 Full B1G Pre-Schedule:
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Iowa is all set
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For Penn State, Maryland is in the neighborhood
Iowa is all set
Agreed. Iowa made out well protecting all of its best rivalries.
Why isn't there even one protected rival for Penn State? The most frequently played Big Ten team for PSU is Maryland. The series is 42-3-1.
And, then there is the Land Grant Trophy game.
I am guessing the deciding factor here is that Maryland is tired of losing to Penn St., and for Penn St., the Maryland game is not a rivalry.
A trophy game that had already been lost from the yearly schedule is Illinois - Ohio State, and that loss continues. Minnesota-Michigan is another.
I traveled to the Iowa @ Arizona game about 13 years ago. Afterward KF said he didn't want to schedule games in a time zone 2-hours west, because we had a 9 p.m. Iowa start time. So now we have Iowa @ USC in 2024. That could be a night game. I am not sure KF will be coaching in 2024. Sometimes we get set in our ways and need a bit of prodding to reset.
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Could be a great year or a very bad year. 4-5 helmets, depending how UNL is viewed.
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USC: Penn St, UCLA, Wisconsin
For 2024 USC is scheduled for
Vs LSU (Las Vegas)
Vs Notre Dame
Vs Michigan
Vs Wisconsin
@ Penn State
@ UCLA
That's quite a step up from their usual draw of @Cal, Vs Colorado, @ASU, Vs Oregon...
Good. That's what the LA Schools wanted and hopefully the Big Ten doesn't do them any favors.
Let 'em both whine about the denser schedule. Whine about the travel distances. Whine about the colder weather in November. Whine about Michigan and Ohio State having louder voices in the boardroom. Whine about how it isn't worth the TV money. And then F 'em on the next TV deal with an unequal share.
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Sorry Minni, but I'd rather see Wisconsin play Iowa, Nebraska and USC or UCLA every year.
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Michigan 2024 schedule is a murderers row....
Texas
@USC
@Ohio State
UCLA (could be really good if Dante Moore is the real deal)
Wisconsin (should be A LOT better by then in Year 2 of Fickell)
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UGA 2030 OOC slate:
Aug. 31: vs. Clemson
Sept. 7: vs. North Carolina A&T
Sept. 14: vs. Ohio State
Nov. 30: vs. Georgia Tech
2027:
Sept. 4: at Florida State
Sept. 18: vs. Louisville
Nov. 27: at Georgia Tech
2026:
Sept. 5: vs. UCLA
Sept. 12: vs. Western Kentucky
Sept. 19: at Louisville
Nov. 28: vs. Georgia Tech
I'd hate to have to drop any of those P5 matchups because of some 9 game conference schedule (aside from Tech).
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well, you've been wanting to drop Tech for decades
here's your golden opportunity
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1. The B1G Story
Let’s play another round of protect Ohio State at all cost, shall we?
Since the Big Ten can’t protect the Buckeyes from Michigan anymore, the next best step is insulating them from nearly every other potential disaster — and a straight shot to the 2024 Playoff.
That’s the takeaway from last week’s Big Ten schedule release, which was only marginally less ridiculous than the SEC punting on a 9-game schedule because — and I still can’t believe this — they wanted to know from the Playoff executive committee if there would be special consideration for schools with 2 or 3 SEC losses.
I mean, how could we move forward in life if a 3-loss SEC team wasn’t selected to the new 12-team Playoff?
But enough of that nonsense, let’s turn our attention to Ohio State, which is about as SEC as SEC gets. If there’s 1 team in the Big Ten that would fit right in with the rival league down south, it’s Ohio State.
https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/the-b1g-10-new-schedule-format-for-2024-25-protects-ohio-state-at-the-expense-of-tv-viewers/?fbclid=IwAR0_Geav_I0tWzWeqiYEi23XkpyNjv55nq48Lz3bXpRFZyACb5gLGg7OpYA (https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/the-b1g-10-new-schedule-format-for-2024-25-protects-ohio-state-at-the-expense-of-tv-viewers/?fbclid=IwAR0_Geav_I0tWzWeqiYEi23XkpyNjv55nq48Lz3bXpRFZyACb5gLGg7OpYA)
But at the very least, the league could eliminate the idea of favoritism by having a 3-6 model that sets 3 permanent opponents and allows all 6 elite television properties to play each other permanently.
Again, it’s not that difficult.
Ohio State: Michigan, Penn State, UCLA
Michigan: Ohio State, USC, Wisconsin
Penn State: Wisconsin, Ohio State, UCLA
Wisconsin: Penn State, Michigan, USC
USC: UCLA, Michigan, Wisconsin
UCLA: USC, Ohio State, Penn State
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Sec dropped 2024
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Giving us 5 west teams is weird. Only 1 home game vs a traditionally East team.
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OU only has like 1 genuine layup (Mizzou).
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Giving us 5 west teams is weird. Only 1 home game vs a traditionally East team.
It's weird too that South Carolina did not get Florida or Georgia
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But they were sure to keep them paired with A&M, lol.
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Check out Florida's 2024 schedue:
Home:
Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Kentucky, Miami, UCF, Samford
Away:
Tennessee, Texas, Miss St, FSU
Neutral:
Georgia
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Listed as full season, without knowing dates:
Miami
Samford
Texas A&M
@Tennessee
LSU
@Texas
Ole Miss
vs Georgia (Jax)
Kentucky
@Miss St
UCF
Florida St
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Only leaving the State of Florida 3 times?
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I will give credit where it is due. Now that UCF is in the Big 12, UCF is now considered P5. So that's 11 P5 schools for Florida on 2024. Or if you prefer defining it as P2 and M3, then that's 8 P2 and 3 M3 schools.
I wonder what Florida would have done if the SEC went to 9 games in 2024. Would they have dropped Miami or UCF?
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I will give credit where it is due. Now that UCF is in the Big 12, UCF is now considered P5. So that's 11 P5 schools for Florida on 2024. Or if you prefer defining it as P2 and M3, then that's 8 P2 and 3 M3 schools.
I wonder what Florida would have done if the SEC went to 9 games in 2024. Would they have dropped Miami or UCF?
Probably Miami?? would be my guess.
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Sec dropped 2024
My reaction to Oklahoma and Texas joining the SEC is about the same as UCLA/USC bolting for the Big Ten. Fine, go make it harder on yourself if you feel you've outgrown the PAC/B12.
Oklahoma's schedule is brutal starting in 2024:
Vs Texas, Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina
@ Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, Missouri
Credit to this Sooners fan who realizes what Oklahoma is in for:
https://twitter.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1669336471587680259
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It's not about "outgrowing your conference". It's about those sweet, sweet, Benjamins.
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Giving us 5 west teams is weird. Only 1 home game vs a traditionally East team.
They've stated many times this is a 1-off, and looking at the schedules I believe that to be true. I think they just took the opportunity to really scramble the schedule and put together some matchups we don't often see, while also mostly preserving the traditional SEC rivalries.
And I think that's key-- most teams have, on their schedules, at least some version of the expected 3 perma-rivals if/when the conference moves to a 9-game schedule and orients it with 3/6/6 scheduling. So I think this is one step in that direction, while also just having some fun totally mixing up the schedule due to breaking down the divisions.
Honestly it looks like a lot of fun, to me. There are gonna be some fantastic games.
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My reaction to Oklahoma and Texas joining the SEC is about the same as UCLA/USC bolting for the Big Ten. Fine, go make it harder on yourself if you feel you've outgrown the PAC/B12.
Oklahoma's schedule is brutal starting in 2024:
Vs Texas, Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina
@ Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, Missouri
Credit to this Sooners fan who realizes what Oklahoma is in for:
https://twitter.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1669336471587680259
Yep, it's going to be a rough ride for a while.
It's been proven before that OU is not up for the task against the big boys (playoff winners). But then again, who is?
Ohio State is probably the closest in all of CFB.
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My reaction to Oklahoma and Texas joining the SEC is about the same as UCLA/USC bolting for the Big Ten. Fine, go make it harder on yourself if you feel you've outgrown the PAC/B12.
Oklahoma's schedule is brutal starting in 2024:
Vs Texas, Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina
@ Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, Missouri
Credit to this Sooners fan who realizes what Oklahoma is in for:
https://twitter.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1669336471587680259
It's not about "outgrowing your conference". It's about those sweet, sweet, Benjamins.
Exactly. When the difference between B1G/SEC money compared to B12 money was only going to be $20M/year, that's tolerable to schools like Texas and OU. When it starts approaching $50M/year, it's just not viable anymore.
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Exactly. When the difference between B1G/SEC money compared to B12 money was only going to be $20M/year, that's tolerable to schools like Texas and OU. When it starts approaching $50M/year, it's just not viable anymore.
Agreed.
Schools like Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Michigan, etc have enough "homegrown" revenue that if their conference is somewhat behind the SEC in TV revenue they can survive and remain competitive anyway. However there is a limit to that.
It appears that the limit is somewhere between roughly $20M and roughly $50M. Below that tradition matters and playing in an easier conference matters. Above that money trumps everything.
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Agreed.
Schools like Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Michigan, etc have enough "homegrown" revenue that if their conference is somewhat behind the SEC in TV revenue they can survive and remain competitive anyway. However there is a limit to that.
It appears that the limit is somewhere between roughly $20M and roughly $50M. Below that tradition matters and playing in an easier conference matters. Above that money trumps everything.
Agree for the most part, except for Texas at least, it was never about "playing in an easier conference." It was about playing in a conference that makes more geographic sense, especially for the non-revenue sports.
But adding in WVU started changing the geography, and then the revenue disparity was starting to become so disproportionate, that a move became inevitable.
For those that remember, I predicted exactly this, back in 2011. I knew that the LHN and improved B12 contracts would be good enough to keep Texas "in the ballpark" for a few years, but that ultimately the money in the B1G and the SEC would just become too much to pass up. And I believed that Texas and OU would make the break together at the same time, and so I knew it was going to have to be the SEC rather than the B1G.
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Agree for the most part, except for Texas at least, it was never about "playing in an easier conference." It was about playing in a conference that makes more geographic sense, especially for the non-revenue sports.
But adding in WVU started changing the geography, and then the revenue disparity was starting to become so disproportionate, that a move became inevitable.
For those that remember, I predicted exactly this, back in 2011. I knew that the LHN and improved B12 contracts would be good enough to keep Texas "in the ballpark" for a few years, but that ultimately the money in the B1G and the SEC would just become too much to pass up. And I believed that Texas and OU would make the break together at the same time, and so I knew it was going to have to be the SEC rather than the B1G.
Texas would have been a great fit in the B1G. Back then a lot of people questioned it for geographic reasons but now that USC and UCLA are joining, those doubts look silly.
Oklahoma was more questionable for academic reasons but I still think we (the B1G) missed out and would be better off with TX/OU than USC/UCLA.
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absolutely
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The SEC added 2 helmet programs.
The B1G added 1 helmet program and its red-headed stepchild.
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yup, the Big is hopin to add the Golden helmet soon
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It's not about "outgrowing your conference". It's about those sweet, sweet, Benjamins.
But chasing the money is coming at a cost to what else college football has traditionally been about - the fan experience, protected rivalries, and maybe the alumni culture. Which is what the Sooners fan is pointing out. Those three decline as CFB focuses only on money.
It appears that the limit is somewhere between roughly $20M and roughly $50M. Below that tradition matters and playing in an easier conference matters. Above that money trumps everything.
To the fans who retort "more money, better coaches and better faculties, etc..." I believe your words quantify a point I'm trying to make about the structural limit to paying more for better coaching or picking up the arms race of better facilities. If ALL 16 SEC Teams pay their head coach $15M/yr thanks to the new TV deal it doesn't progressively yield more Sabans or Kirby Smarts. Texas and Texas A&M are learning the hard way paying Sark and especially Fisher like Kings. What instead happens is average coaches like Mel Tucker getting paid like a National Championship coach. And there's also a structural limit to money proportionally resulting in increasing wins due to the competition factor.
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But chasing the money is coming at a cost to what else college football has traditionally been about - the fan experience, protected rivalries, and maybe the alumni culture. Which is what the Sooners fan is pointing out. Those three decline as CFB focuses only on money.
Eh. Seems to me the Sooner fan was complaining that the level of competition is higher so they have something more than Texas to get through to get a conference championship.
He was complaining that playing in the SEC will lead to more losses each year.
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something more than K-State and TCU
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Love the schedule. Locking a minimum number of games means more rotation through everyone.
My guess with the limited locked games, they only locked if both sides agreed. For Penn State, I think they wanted Ohio State, but the Buckeyes didn't want about two of the toughest locked in when most others had none. On the flip side, Penn State preferred to rotate through others more than locking Maryland, Rutgers, or Michigan State.
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waiting to lock up ND
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The SEC added 2 helmet programs.
The B1G added 1 helmet program and its red-headed stepchild.
As you said about Tennessee and Nebraska, those Longhorn helmets have been worn down to the interior padding.
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It's hard to see how Texas fades from being a Blue Blood even after a decade or more of mediocrity (if that happened). Flagship program in large state etc.
USC could fade, Nebraska probably has faded, Notre Dame could easily fade, OU could fade, but not Texas, for a long time. Even Bama could fade. If I were to start a conference from Ground Zero, I think Texas or Ohio State would be my first school picked.
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I'd start were the recruits are going to be.
Florida, Georgia, Texas
Great programs pull great recruits across borders, but great coaches make great programs
there's always the possibility of a not great coach
having recruits in the back yard makes it easier
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Ohio State recruits very well obviously, and Ohio has good HS football. I agree with your point of course. Texas recruits get pulled in a lot of directions, but UT has to be a major player there for most. California has good HS football, as does Florida, with large populations, but again, a lot of programs from which to choose. Florida should be consistently very good to elite, but as we've all seen in spades, coaching ...
Mark Richt was, I think, a "pretty good coach", better than terrible, maybe even a notch above average, but not elite. I've only seen two elite coaches of late in CFB, Saban and Meyer. Meyer in particular won nearly everywhere. Kelly is starting to impress me also, we'll see. The "winning everywhere" is a key metric for me. Smart obviously has done great things and is still learning, and works hard, but he hasn't "won everywhere", not had the chance (unless you count as DC).
Saban didn't do much at MSU. We'll see about Reilly at USC and Day at Ohio State down the road I think.
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we'll see about Rhule.
Winning at Temple, Baylor AND Nebraska would be impressive
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Agreed, and Fickell. James Franklin is kind of hanging around, PSU could be quite good in 2023. Beamer at USCe is maybe interesting.
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the canoe paddler has a chance in the West this season with a new coach in Madison, new coach at Purdue, and Brian Ferentz celebrating another Father's day in Iowa City
same goes for Bert in Champaign
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the canoe paddler has a chance in the West this season with a new coach in Madison, new coach at Purdue, and Brian Ferentz celebrating another Father's day in Iowa City
same goes for Bert in Champaign
His best shot was last season.
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I'm OK with that
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from FB........
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from FB........
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Well, obviously that's not real. Was that from an Oklahoma FB?
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Well, obviously that's not real. Was that from an Oklahoma FB?
Probably an aTm fan.
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Rent-free 24/7
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Anyway, since this has apparently become the SEC 2024 Scheduling thread...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrL39OT8p7Q&t=208s
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But chasing the money is coming at a cost to what else college football has traditionally been about - the fan experience, protected rivalries, and maybe the alumni culture. Which is what the Sooners fan is pointing out. Those three decline as CFB focuses only on money.
To the fans who retort "more money, better coaches and better faculties, etc..." I believe your words quantify a point I'm trying to make about the structural limit to paying more for better coaching or picking up the arms race of better facilities. If ALL 16 SEC Teams pay their head coach $15M/yr thanks to the new TV deal it doesn't progressively yield more Sabans or Kirby Smarts. Texas and Texas A&M are learning the hard way paying Sark and especially Fisher like Kings. What instead happens is average coaches like Mel Tucker getting paid like a National Championship coach. And there's also a structural limit to money proportionally resulting in increasing wins due to the competition factor.
Huh? Sark isn't even in the Top 17 paid coaches. I mean, you could still argue that he's overpaid, but I don't think it's really appropriate to say he's being paid "like a king" unless David Shaw, Mario Cristobal, Matt Rhule, Lane Kiffin, James Franklin, Josh Heupel, Pat Fitgerald, and Chip Kelly can also all be accused of being "paid like kings." Honestly being almost out of the top 20 is sort of unheard of for a coach at Texas, but given his prior results it seems about in line .
1. Nick Saban, Alabama – $11.7 million
2. Dabo Swinney, Clemson – $11.5 million
3. Kirby Smart, Georgia – $11.25 million
4. Lincoln Riley, USC – $10 million
T5. Brian Kelly, LSU – $9.5 million
T5. Mel Tucker, Michigan State – $9.5 million
T5. Ryan Day, Ohio State – $9.5 million
T5. Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M – $9.5 million
9. Matt Rhule, Nebraska – $9.25 million
T10. Lane Kiffin, Ole Miss – $9 million
T10. Josh Heupel, Tennessee – $9 million
12. David Shaw, Stanford -- $8.925 million
13. Mario Cristobal, Miami - $8 million
14. Jim Harbaugh, Michigan - $7.05 million
15. James Franklin, Penn State - $7 million
16. Pat Fitzgerald, Northwestern -- $5.748 million
17. Chip Kelly, UCLA -- $5.6 million
18. Steve Sarkisian, Texas -- $5.45 million
https://fansided.com/2023/03/29/highest-paid-college-football-coaches-2023-salaries/
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/ncaa/looking-at-the-top-college-football-head-coach-salaries-in-2022/328860/
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Hmm. I wonder why Luke Fickell is not on that list. He's making about $8 Million this year, as I recall.
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Hmm. I wonder why Luke Fickell is not on that list. He's making about $8 Million this year, as I recall.
Some of the numbers have changed so I cobbled it together from a couple of different lists. Totally possible I missed Fickle.
But Sark's salary hasn't increased, so if someone else is being paid more than $5.45M/year and isn't on the list above, that just moves Sark further down.
The point stands that you can call out a lot of hiring/firing/salary mistakes UT has made over the past decade, but "paying Sark like a king" isn't really one of them, at least not compared to other major programs out there, and general salary expectations for a historical top 10 program.
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Huh? Sark isn't even in the Top 17 paid coaches.
1. Nick Saban, Alabama – $11.7 million
2. Dabo Swinney, Clemson – $11.5 million
3. Kirby Smart, Georgia – $11.25 million
4. Lincoln Riley, USC – $10 million
T5. Brian Kelly, LSU – $9.5 million
T5. Mel Tucker, Michigan State – $9.5 million
T5. Ryan Day, Ohio State – $9.5 million
T5. Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M – $9.5 million
9. Matt Rhule, Nebraska – $9.25 million
T10. Lane Kiffin, Ole Miss – $9 million
T10. Josh Heupel, Tennessee – $9 million
12. David Shaw, Stanford -- $8.925 million
13. Mario Cristobal, Miami - $8 million
14. Jim Harbaugh, Michigan - $7.05 million
15. James Franklin, Penn State - $7 million
16. Pat Fitzgerald, Northwestern -- $5.748 million
17. Chip Kelly, UCLA -- $5.6 million
18. Steve Sarkisian, Texas --
Mel Tucker sticks out like a sore thumb on that list. Tied with Ryan Day, Brian Kelly, Jumbo Fisher and $2.5M ahead of Harbaugh and Franklin? The guy shouldn't even be ahead of Bielima or Ferentz or Fitzgerald among Big Ten coaches.. He had what, one 10-win season where he finished 3rd in the division, and that somehow got him $9.5M? He is one lucky guy.
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I think MSU signed Tucker after a rather good year (11-1) with the fear he would otherwise jump ship.
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Better to be lucky than good sometimes.
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Mel Tucker sticks out like a sore thumb on that list. Tied with Ryan Day, Brian Kelly, Jumbo Fisher and $2.5M ahead of Harbaugh and Franklin? The guy shouldn't even be ahead of Bielima or Ferentz or Fitzgerald among Big Ten coaches.. He had what, one 10-win season where he finished 3rd in the division, and that somehow got him $9.5M? He is one lucky guy.
Contracts represent a blend of things: A program's desperation for self esteem, actual success, resources available ...
And who wanted your coach at a given time. Tucker was good when a money cannon was looking. MSU bit the bullet.
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I think MSU signed Tucker after a rather good year (11-1) with the fear he would otherwise jump ship.
It was a midseason move when LSU was calling
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I hope he's sending Kenneth Walker some of that money.
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To the fans who retort "more money, better coaches and better faculties, etc..." I believe your words quantify a point I'm trying to make about the structural limit to paying more for better coaching or picking up the arms race of better facilities. If ALL 16 SEC Teams pay their head coach $15M/yr thanks to the new TV deal it doesn't progressively yield more Sabans or Kirby Smarts.
I however DO agree that pouring money into Recruiting has a better ROI chance than pouring money into facilities and coaching. Coach Mike Locksley says as much, telling the Atlantic:
“I feel like I’ve got my legs cut from underneath me. Because my strength in recruiting isn’t some slick salesman job, it’s built on the longevity of relationships. And now the way the college landscape is with the NIL, the transfer portal — everything is pretty much transactional, and relationships have kind of gone out of the window.”
From Outkick: “It’s not to say that money is everything in recruiting these days. Prospects are still keeping coaching staff, playing time, and culture in mind, but things like resources and facilities are less important than they were just three years ago. Maryland is the perfect example. Locksley’s team moved into a brand-new, $149 million football-only facility, just last year. The Jones-Hill House is beautiful.”
“Unfortunately, it doesn’t really matter. The role that it plays in recruiting is minimal in contrast to NIL. Locksley will be the first to say so and he did not hold back: “Unfortunately, we moved in at a time when facilities have been de-emphasized in a recruit’s mind. Because they’d get dressed in the trash can for $25,000.”
“Name, Image and Likeness changed the entire operating system of, and behind collegiate football. The amount of money pumped into an NIL collective and success in recruiting have a direct correlation. Everything else, like facilities, take a back seat. Locksley and Maryland can’t keep up.”
https://twitter.com/Outkick/status/1670975001447596033
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To the fans who retort "more money, better coaches and better faculties, etc..." I believe your words quantify a point I'm trying to make about the structural limit to paying more for better coaching or picking up the arms race of better facilities. If ALL 16 SEC Teams pay their head coach $15M/yr thanks to the new TV deal it doesn't progressively yield more Sabans or Kirby Smarts.
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Yes, but its not just a coincidence that Saban, Smarts and Kelly's all ended up in the SEC.
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I think MSU signed Tucker after a rather good year (11-1) with the fear he would otherwise jump ship.
He lost by 50 to OSU a few days after receiving the midseason contract extension.
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The NIL comment vs facilities is a cogent comment. The facilities race may be somewhat over, or abated anyway. No doubt it's good to have first class stuff and an impressive stadium etc., but money is money and King of most things in life.
I do wonder how much NIL varies from program to program and from player to player. I presume the third string long snapper gets squat. Who would be the worst played on any team to get anything? I'd guess to be at all legit, the player would need some name recognition, no?
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i wonder if 1099's are given or how they claim their income
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i wonder if 1099's are given or how they claim their income
If you earned income from NIL activities, you were probably paid like an independent contractor, and you are considered self-employed. If you earned $600 or more, your income will be reported on Form 1099-NEC.Mar 1, 2023
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a good reason the bagman is still in play
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Was looking through team previews and saw this snippet re: Oklahoma State’s upcoming schedule:
(https://i.imgur.com/un8ThHy.jpg)
Nobody really talks about Ok St around here but with all the inter-conference arms-racing, schedules are becoming quite out of sorts when the Cowboys have no games Vs any of their usual Texas rivals.
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a good reason the bagman is still in play
Less and less so, with each passing year. NIL money is just too easy to provide, as it can be easily crowd-sourced, and as the players get more sophisticated, they'll learn how to handle the legal/tax implications. There are plenty of legit resources to help them with all of that.
Still, some coaches are just more comfortable sticking to their tried-and-true methods of paying bags under the table, so the bagman will persist until those old codgers die off.
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Was looking through team previews and saw this snippet re: Oklahoma State’s upcoming schedule:
(https://i.imgur.com/un8ThHy.jpg)
Nobody really talks about Ok St around here but with all the inter-conference arms-racing, schedules are becoming quite out of sorts when the Cowboys have no games Vs any of their usual Texas rivals.
Yeah I thought that was kind of weird. They definitely need the exposure inside the state of Texas, they can't be happy with the way the schedule worked out.
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Nobody really talks about Ok St around here but with all the inter-conference arms-racing, schedules are becoming quite out of sorts when the Cowboys have no games Vs any of their usual Texas rivals.
To go back to Oklahoma State for sec, I attend one Arizona State game nearly every season. This upcoming season I specifically targeted Arizona State’s nonconference home game Vs OkSt to cross off another college I’ve never watched in person. And bear witness to Gundy’s mullet.
Now with the Big 12 expanded in Arizona it turns out the Cowboys will be a regular to Tempe and Tucson. And throw in the Cowboys playing their bowl Vs Wisconsin in Phoenix last season, the rarity of OkSt’s September 8th visit to Phoenix Metro is preempted.
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2024 Full B1G Pre-Schedule:
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Well, this aged poorly :57: