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Title: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 02, 2023, 01:09:44 AM
Just for a year, sort of kicking the can down the road....seeing if they can extract more money from ESPN for a 9th game, with OU and Texas in the fold.
Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 02, 2023, 01:10:56 AM
I predict they get the additional monies and go to a 9-game schedule, consisting of 3+6.  Bama will drop LSU for an easier 3rd "rival," after Auburn and Tennessee.
Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: Cincydawg on June 03, 2023, 06:57:42 AM
With an 8 game conference slate, most will play one other P5 team OOC.  With a 9 gamer, most may not.

Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: utee94 on June 04, 2023, 01:05:00 PM
With an 8 game conference slate, most will play one other P5 team OOC.  With a 9 gamer, most may not.


I don't think Georgia, Florida, or South Carolina would likely drop their annual OOC P5 rivalry games.  And I'm pretty sure Texas will continue to play a marquee P5 OOC game.  Can't speak for anyone else though.
Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2023, 01:09:12 PM
I agree, and the "most" could be wrong here.  I'd like everyone to play at least ten P5 level teams per year.  

Of course, at times, some P5 teams get skeered and drop your team from the slate.
Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: CWSooner on June 04, 2023, 10:10:40 PM
I hope it's just for 2024.

If/when it goes to 9, as God intended, OU will almost certainly continue to schedule a marquee OOC game each year against a P5 program. 6-3 format, as was being discussed several months ago.

Disappointed in Bama voting for 8 after all that Saban has said for the last several years in favor of 9.
Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: utee94 on June 19, 2023, 01:21:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrL39OT8p7Q&t=208s
Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 11, 2023, 12:45:43 PM
I predict they get the additional monies and go to a 9-game schedule, consisting of 3+6.  Bama will drop LSU for an easier 3rd "rival," after Auburn and Tennessee.

I hope not, but one way or the other, we're going to lose either Bama or Auburn, neither of which sits well with me.  My guess is Bama would be our pick (not that we'll get a pick), which makes a lot of sense, but man, has the LSU/AU series offered a lot of crazy entertainment over the years. 

I actually will miss the Florida game, since most models I've seen have that dropping off the permanent schedule.  I know it's not a "traditional" rivalry, but.....I mean, at this point it's been going since I was 13 years old and a ton of LSU fans don't know a world where LSU and Florida don't have a midseason showdown.  This year is already weird with how late we're playing Florida.  

But we're going to get Ole Miss, A&M, and one of the Alabama schools, probably Bama, but that's just a guess.  I sort of see the point of A&M, that was an ooc rivalry for a long time, but it was ooc, and we have more history with MSU than any other school and for that reason I'd prefer to keep it, so the cowbells are another one I'll be sad to lose.  

I guess I should just be happy that the powers that be don't seem interested so far in trying to fabricate another rivalry with the newcomers, like they did with us and Arkansas, then with A&M.  
Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: utee94 on October 11, 2023, 04:12:48 PM
I hope not, but one way or the other, we're going to lose either Bama or Auburn, neither of which sits well with me.  My guess is Bama would be our pick (not that we'll get a pick), which makes a lot of sense, but man, has the LSU/AU series offered a lot of crazy entertainment over the years. 

I actually will miss the Florida game, since most models I've seen have that dropping off the permanent schedule.  I know it's not a "traditional" rivalry, but.....I mean, at this point it's been going since I was 13 years old and a ton of LSU fans don't know a world where LSU and Florida don't have a midseason showdown.  This year is already weird with how late we're playing Florida. 

But we're going to get Ole Miss, A&M, and one of the Alabama schools, probably Bama, but that's just a guess.  I sort of see the point of A&M, that was an ooc rivalry for a long time, but it was ooc, and we have more history with MSU than any other school and for that reason I'd prefer to keep it, so the cowbells are another one I'll be sad to lose. 

I guess I should just be happy that the powers that be don't seem interested so far in trying to fabricate another rivalry with the newcomers, like they did with us and Arkansas, then with A&M. 
I think an annual Texas-LSU game would be awesome.

But for obvious reasons, it's unlikely.
Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 12, 2023, 10:36:24 AM
I think an annual Texas-LSU game would be awesome.

But for obvious reasons, it's unlikely.

Maybe, but I can barely tolerate a portion of our fanbase as it is.  Adding Texas to the mix might cause me to go postal on them at some point.  

The explanation behind this is:  there are a lot of LSU fans, online anyway, who like to take shots at Texas and Notre Dame.  They despise both of them, and I've never known why.  Like.....there's barely any history there.  My theory with ND is that Louisiana is heavily Catholic, and they don't like Notre Dame's schtick over the years about being the only school Catholics should aspire to.  Which is dumb, but it's the best I can figure.  But Texas?  I fail to see why we care one way or the other about Texas.  Only theory I have there is $ and prestige envy.  Like.....it could be capital border war, which would be something.....if they'd played more than a mere 18 times in their entire history.  

Lagniappe:  largest MOV between the two schools is 20-0 LSU in 1938, and 34-0 Horns in 1941.  

So, suck it, Horns....or whatever.  

Horns down?  

Saw something off?  

.....nah, it's not genuine.  Texas is like Georgia.  They're too likeable overall to hate.  Plus I lived in both places for a time and know many likeable fans, and that makes teams harder to hate.  
Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: utee94 on October 12, 2023, 01:40:09 PM
I've encountered mostly great LSU fans over the years.  Typically from our baseball home-and-home series over the decades.  I don't worry too much about how online fan bases act, I've found they're usually not all that representative of the average Joe kind of fan.

Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: just1hog on October 13, 2023, 06:29:17 AM
I think LSU fans respect the deep abiding hate that Razorback fans have for Texass and join in because a good hate is just the thing sometimes!

:friends:
Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 13, 2023, 10:56:39 AM
Our hate tends to rotate around some other teams, but give us enough liquor and we can probably muster some more.  
Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 15, 2023, 10:46:42 PM
Anything is better than throwing newbies together and random "rivalries" from '92.  A&M vs Carolina?  OM vs Vandy?  UK vs MSU?  

Stop.

Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 16, 2023, 11:27:23 AM
I guess at least we got thrown together with a team we played almost every year since 1953.

Still hard to believe we've only played Tennessee 34 times, and the bulk of that was between the late 1930's and early 50's.  Played Vandy just 32 times.  UGA 33, and a handful of those are only because we met in the SEC CG.  

We even played A&M 50 times ooc before they joined the SECw. 

There was no mandated or centralized scheduling prior to the '92 expansion.  Makes me wonder what the point of a conference was, did LSU schedule schools like A&M more than what is now SEC East teams due to proximity convenience, or what?  I mean, Florida and Kentucky are not close, but we played them a lot. 

I mean, we should've been playing UGA more often for easy wins, since we own them all-time :)
Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 16, 2023, 11:31:17 AM
I assume we're doing away with divisions next year since I haven't heard anything about Texas/OU joining the West, or moving Bama/AU to the East. 

Any word on how the conference will determine the SEC CG participants?
Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 17, 2023, 12:10:36 AM
The conference scheduling was wacky back in the 60s and 70s.  You had some teams with 4 or 5 conf games, others with 6 or even 7.  That's nuts.  SEC teams played 4 and 7 conf games in the same season. 

Things trended to 6 games consistently in the 80s, until 88, then it was 7.  Expansion led to 8 conf games in 92, and continuity.

Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: Cincydawg on October 25, 2023, 11:50:28 AM
Georgia Tech would not play either Mississippi team, ever, when in the SEC.  A few times a nonconference opponent would get counted as an SEC game.  It was ultra goofy at times.
Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: utee94 on October 25, 2023, 12:36:18 PM
Seemed like more of a "loose scheduling agreement amongst teams" than a conference, which makes sense back when, because the money coming from conference pooling television rights was zero before 1984, and still pretty minimal until the early 90s..

And I could be wrong, just going off memory here, but as I recall, the early 90s is about when the SEC started tightening up the schedules.  
Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 25, 2023, 05:35:06 PM
I believe the divisions were created, perma-rivals locked in, and the standard "every team from your division + perma-rival + 2 more cross-division teams" in 1992, with the addition of Arkansas from the SWC. 

I think.

Honestly, I was more into the NBA back then than college football.  All I remember for sure is a lot of Aggie jokes from LSU fans, and that in my household we were never to say anything flattering about Ole Miss.  
Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: Cincydawg on October 25, 2023, 06:23:56 PM
Yes, things got more organized with the 12 team league and CG, it was pretty organzed before that.  But in the old days when I was a young man, anything went.

Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: utee94 on October 26, 2023, 09:56:31 AM
Oh yeah makes sense that the expansion to 12 and addition of the CCG would result in more deliberate scheduling from the SEC front office.
Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: Cincydawg on October 26, 2023, 10:05:57 AM
This is a 1979 schedule, which is pretty weird:


  Sat, Sep 15 Wake ForestAthens, Ga.21 - 22 (L)
  Sat, Sep 22 Clemsonat Clemson, S.C.7 - 12 (L)
  Sat, Sep 29 South CarolinaAthens, Ga.20 - 27 (L)
  Sat, Oct 06 Mississippiat Oxford, Miss.24 - 21 (W)
  Sat, Oct 13 LSUAthens, Ga.21 - 14 (W)
  Sat, Oct 20 Vanderbiltat Nashville, Tenn.31 - 10 (W)
  Sat, Oct 27 KentuckyAthens, Ga.20 - 6 (W)
  Sat, Nov 03 VirginiaAthens, Ga.0 - 31 (L)
  Sat, Nov 10 Floridaat Jacksonville, Fla.33 - 10 (W)ABC
  Sat, Nov 17 AuburnAthens, Ga.13 - 33 (L)
  Sat, Nov 24 Georgia Techat Atlanta, Ga.16 - 33 (W)

The Dawgs lost to four ACC opponents OOC, but won every SEC game before Auburn (where they lead early in the game).  Had they beaten Auburn, they would have "won" the conference and gone to the SB, with a 6-5 record if they lost to Tech too.  They had six conference games.



Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: Cincydawg on October 26, 2023, 10:09:14 AM
1966, about the time I was paying some attention.  Ten game slate with FIVE conference games.  That year they beat Spurrier.

11 Games
 


[th]G[/th]
[th]Date[/th]
[th]Day[/th]
[th]School[/th]
[th][/th]
[th]Opponent[/th]
[th]Conf[/th]
[th][/th]
[th]Pts[/th]
[th]Opp[/th]
[th]W[/th]
[th]L[/th]
[th]T[/th]
[th]Streak[/th]
[th]Notes[/th]
[th]1[/th]
Sep 17, 1966 (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/1966-09-17-mississippi-state.html)SatGeorgia (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/georgia/1966.html)@Mississippi State (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/mississippi-state/1966.html)SEC (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/sec/1966.html)W2017100W 1
[th]2[/th]
Sep 24, 1966 (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/1966-09-24-virginia-military-institute.html)SatGeorgia (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/georgia/1966.html)@Virginia Military Institute (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/virginia-military-institute/1966.html)Southern (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/southern/1966.html)W437200W 2
[th]3[/th]
Oct 1, 1966 (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/1966-10-01-south-carolina.html)SatGeorgia (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/georgia/1966.html)@South Carolina (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/south-carolina/1966.html)ACC (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/acc/1966.html)W70300W 3
[th]4[/th]
Oct 8, 1966 (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/1966-10-08-georgia.html)SatGeorgia (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/georgia/1966.html)Ole Miss (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/mississippi/1966.html)SEC (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/sec/1966.html)W93400W 4
[th]5[/th]
Oct 14, 1966 (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/1966-10-14-miami-fl.html)FriGeorgia (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/georgia/1966.html)@Miami (FL) (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/miami-fl/1966.html)Ind (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/independent/1966.html)L67410L 1
[th]6[/th]
Oct 22, 1966 (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/1966-10-22-georgia.html)SatGeorgia (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/georgia/1966.html)Kentucky (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/kentucky/1966.html)SEC (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/sec/1966.html)W2715510W 1
[th]7[/th]
Oct 29, 1966 (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/1966-10-29-georgia.html)SatGeorgia (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/georgia/1966.html)North Carolina (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/north-carolina/1966.html)ACC (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/acc/1966.html)W283610W 2
[th]8[/th]
Nov 5, 1966 (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/1966-11-05-florida.html)SatGeorgia (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/georgia/1966.html)N(7) Florida (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/florida/1966.html)SEC (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/sec/1966.html)W2710710W 3
[th]9[/th]
Nov 12, 1966 (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/1966-11-12-auburn.html)Sat(9) Georgia (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/georgia/1966.html)@Auburn (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/auburn/1966.html)SEC (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/sec/1966.html)W2113810W 4
[th]10[/th]
Nov 26, 1966 (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/1966-11-26-georgia.html)Sat(7) Georgia (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/georgia/1966.html)(5) Georgia Tech (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/georgia-tech/1966.html)Ind (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/independent/1966.html)W2314910W 5
[th]11[/th]
Dec 31, 1966 (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/1966-12-31-southern-methodist.html)Sat(4) Georgia (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/georgia/1966.html)@(10) SMU (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/southern-methodist/1966.html)SWC (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/swc/1966.html)W2491010W 6



Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: Cincydawg on October 26, 2023, 10:09:51 AM
That did not format well at all.  Anyway, five Sec games out of ten.  An OOC loss to Miami 7-6.
Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 26, 2023, 10:37:48 AM
This is a 1979 schedule, which is pretty weird:


  Sat, Sep 15Wake ForestAthens, Ga.21 - 22 (L)
  Sat, Sep 22Clemsonat Clemson, S.C.7 - 12 (L)
  Sat, Sep 29South CarolinaAthens, Ga.20 - 27 (L)
  Sat, Oct 06Mississippiat Oxford, Miss.24 - 21 (W)
  Sat, Oct 13LSUAthens, Ga.21 - 14 (W)
  Sat, Oct 20Vanderbiltat Nashville, Tenn.31 - 10 (W)
  Sat, Oct 27KentuckyAthens, Ga.20 - 6 (W)
  Sat, Nov 03VirginiaAthens, Ga.0 - 31 (L)
  Sat, Nov 10Floridaat Jacksonville, Fla.33 - 10 (W)ABC
  Sat, Nov 17AuburnAthens, Ga.13 - 33 (L)
  Sat, Nov 24Georgia Techat Atlanta, Ga.16 - 33 (W)

The Dawgs lost to four ACC opponents OOC, but won every SEC game before Auburn (where they lead early in the game).  Had they beaten Auburn, they would have "won" the conference and gone to the SB, with a 6-5 record if they lost to Tech too.  They had six conference games.

A rare win for UGA over LSU :96:
Title: Re: Stop-gap: 8 game SEC schedule for 2024
Post by: rolltidefan on October 30, 2023, 02:25:30 PM
Seemed like more of a "loose scheduling agreement amongst teams" than a conference, which makes sense back when, because the money coming from conference pooling television rights was zero before 1984, and still pretty minimal until the early 90s..

And I could be wrong, just going off memory here, but as I recall, the early 90s is about when the SEC started tightening up the schedules. 
in 1974 sec adopted a uniform scheduling format, requiring 6 games. 5 were permanent opponents. in 1988, went to a 7 game schedule, stuck with 5 permanent. in 1992, split into divisions, bumped to 8 conference games, and you plays all 5 in your division, 2 in the other division were locked opponents, and remaining was on rotation. in 2003, the 2 locked cross-division opponents were reduced to 1.