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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on May 23, 2023, 09:41:03 PM
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Say college football (and college sports in general) are going to a 24-team Big Ten and a 24-team SEC.
The rest are left out and either become FCS or in some sort of purgatory.
I'd say assume ND remains an independent peer.
Obviously it's unlikely any B1G or SEC teams leave those conferences.
So who is in one or the other?
Who is your 24 and 24?
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I'd keep it divided along Civil War lines, with the purple and green going to the SEC.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/United_States_1864-10-1865.png)
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Each conference is about to be at 16, so 8 more each. Notre Dame will be given no preferential treatment here. They need to shit or get off the pot.
This is not what I want to see, rather it's a realistic view of what will probably happen. We pretty much know the SEC does not want more Florida schools, based on the rumblings out there.
B1G additions:
FSU
Miami
UNC
UVA
Stanford
Oregon
Washington
ND
SEC additions:
VT
NC State
Clemson
WVU
Pitt
Louisville
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
The SEC remains completely contiguous here, while the B1G is chopped up.
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(https://i.imgur.com/my1cqQ5.png)
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UNC and UVA are the prizes here, I think.
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UNC and UVA are the prizes here, I think.
I've been saying literally for years here that I thought those should be the targets.
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I've been saying literally for years here that I thought those should be the targets.
You gotta pick 6 more now. It's pretty fair to say that the end game is 24 for both conferences, and that they want to crush the rest of them.
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three 8-team divisions in two conferences
that could work
might as well go to 10-team divisions with 9 conference games or 9-team divisions with 8 games
if 24 is good, 27 or 30 is better
60 teams doesn't leave so many out.
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three 8-team divisions in two conferences
that could work
might as well go to 10-team divisions with 9 conference games or 9-team divisions with 8 games
if 24 is good, 27 or 30 is better
60 teams doesn't leave so many out.
Like the graph shows some of the schools getting treated like haves, really shouldn't be.
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Alabama has gotten a lot of viewers by getting to the SECCG, playoff and championship that would otherwise not watch Alabama. And I'm not picking on Alabama.
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Like the graph shows some of the schools getting treated like haves, really shouldn't be.
if Vandy and Rutgers are going to be tossed out, then we don't need 60
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sec gets:
- unc, duke, clemson, and nc st to round up the carolinas and keep the roundball bros together.
- fsu and miami cause makes most sense for them in sec
- ok st to go with ou
- ga tech back to sec
big takes in:
- uva and va tech cause they want uva and tech tags along
- wvu and pitt for the rivalry and location
- cal, stanford to clean up california
- wash and wsu to round out west coast division
next round of pick ups:
sec takes kansas, ksu, tcu, and either baylor or tt
big takes oregon, oregon st, nd, and ... 'cuse? bc?
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No Baylor. Ever.
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The idea of current schools being pushed out is a possible reality.
There are some really weak members at the right side of the TV graph.
(https://i.imgur.com/wZ3DE44.png)
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The idea of current schools being pushed out is a possible reality.
There are some really weak members at the right side of the TV graph.
(https://i.imgur.com/wZ3DE44.png)
The founding members are safe.
Eh....whoever got Rutgers into the B1G should be given a lifetime supply of women and wine.
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I can see the Big Ten going to 24 but not the SEC. I can't see the SEC expanding out west and I can't see them doubling up in Southern states either except maybe in Florida or take Clemson.
Big Ten
Add ND, UNC, VA, FSU, Wash, Ore, Col, Ariz
SEC
Add NCSU, VT, Clem, Miami
After that who does the SEC take? Do they take Pitt, Cuse or WV? Doubt it. Kansas maybe for basketball. Ariz ST? Too far away. SEC stops at 20
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The SEC could grow it's footprint into 3 states that make sense (KS, NC, VA). The other 5 are more likely to come from within that expanded footprint than to take on a WV or NE or far west school.
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I know the B1G is national and all, but that's not a bad expanse......Chesapeake Bay to Kansas City, down to near San Antone and back over to Disney World. That's pretty much all they need.
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SEC stops at 20
I like it.
(2) 10 team divisions with a 9-game schedule
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WV might cost itself a meaningful football program due to low academics. Let's blame it on low population to be polite.
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The SEC could grow it's footprint into 3 states that make sense (KS, NC, VA). The other 5 are more likely to come from within that expanded footprint than to take on a WV or NE or far west school.
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I know the B1G is national and all, but that's not a bad expanse......Chesapeake Bay to Kansas City, down to near San Antone and back over to Disney World. That's pretty much all they need.
I guess if the SEC takes Kansas, they might as well take Colorado too.
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What happened to Stanford as Notre Dame bait?
I don't think that ship has sailed yet, and I'm not sure there is enough history there to really matter. Maybe??
(https://i.imgur.com/nnz7sP2.png)
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Notre Dame is the only real piece left on the board. Since we know that expansion and therefore $$$ are the only goals, the B1G would be crazy not to continue pursuing them. I don't know whether or not Stanford ACTUALLY helps in that area, but as long as there's a perception that they do, then the Cardinal will remain in play.
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A conference that can snag UVA/UNC would do better than one that got ND/Stanford, IMHO.
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A conference that can snag UVA/UNC would do better than one that got ND/Stanford, IMHO.
Take them all and stop at 20 then.
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grab Army, Navy, and Pitt?
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A conference that can snag UVA/UNC would do better than one that got ND/Stanford, IMHO.
Competitively, maybe?
Financially? It's not even close. Notre Dame moves the needle more than any other school. Nobody watches UVA or UNC football, heck nobody watches ACC football at all even with FSU, Clemson, and Miami in that conference.
Realignment isn't about competition and it isn't about basketball. Only football revenue drives it. That's it.
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You get two states added to your cable.
I also "think" ND is a dying brand, and they would "die" faster if they were in a normal conference. They used to be the program Catholics around the country adored, I think that day is ebbing. Sure, they have their own TV contract, and it probably is major, but over time? When I moved the Cincy, the hope of every footballer going to one of the Catholic schools there was an offer from ND, and they took it usually, but later that simply disappeared, top players wanted whatever program would help them go to the NFL, and it became Ohio State more than ND (opinion here).
I also think ND could start having 9-4 and 8-5 kind of seasons in a conference, if that, and allegiances would drift away to a local school.
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grab Army, Navy, and Pitt?
Pitt would be a strong maybe.
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You get two states added to your cable.
I also "think" ND is a dying brand, and they would "die" faster if they were in a normal conference. They used to be the program Catholics around the country adored, I think that day is ebbing. Sure, they have their own TV contract, and it probably is major, but over time? When I moved the Cincy, the hope of every footballer going to one of the Catholic schools there was an offer from ND, and they took it usually, but later that simply disappeared, top players wanted whatever program would help them go to the NFL, and it became Ohio State more than ND (opinion here).
I also think ND could start having 9-4 and 8-5 kind of seasons in a conference, if that, and allegiances would drift away to a local school.
Cable subscriber model is going to be dead soon enough. Cable providers are already rejecting being strongarmed into taking the B1G. They've lost carriers in New York and Nebraska, and it's just the beginning.
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Cable subscriber model is going to be dead soon enough. Cable providers are already rejecting being strongarmed into taking the BTN. They've lost carriers in New York and Nebraska, and it's just the beginning.
Yep.
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Whatever leads to ND being irrelevant. I'm for that.
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Why the ACC’s move toward unequal revenue sharing won’t save it from an uncertain future - The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/4549062/2023/05/24/acc-unequal-revenue-sharing-fsu-clemson/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983)
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regardless of whatever way they share the revenue, the ACC's future will be uncertain
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Whatever leads to ND being irrelevant. I'm for that.
Personally, I really enjoy hating them and it's more fun when they're relevant.
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Personally, I really enjoy hating them and it's more fun when they're relevant.
Now this is solid thinking of the modern man!
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Notre Dame is 0-3 lifetime against my team, they seem nonrelevant to me.
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Personally, I really enjoy hating them and it's more fun when they're relevant.
I'd rather you and many many others were hating the Husker prick squad again, because of relevance
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I'd rather you and many many others were hating the Husker prick squad again, because of relevance
Amen brutha.
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Notre Dame is 0-3 lifetime against my team, they seem nonrelevant to me.
Easy for your team to say when you’re on top of the mountain. We have to play them on the road, at night, with a brand new quarterback.
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well, at least he's a 5 star QB
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Easy for your team to say when you’re on top of the mountain. We have to play them on the road, at night, with a brand new quarterback.
We played them on the road, at night, with a new QB also and beat the snot out of them by one point.
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ND can just keep doing what it's doing. It has no reason to change until it's forced to.
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On that note, I was driving home today and had an idea: Miami could go independent.
The hardest part of being an independent is scheduling - just ask BYU. People want to play ND, so they don't have issues with it. And neither would Miami. Every tier of program would love a home-and-home with Miami in this 12-team playoff climate. Hell, many programs may want something bigger, like a 10-year deal with the Canes. That opportunity to play in the most fertile recruiting spot in the country is a very unique thing.
And while they won't get a deal that pays what NBC is giving ND, Miami could get something like their ACC share, I believe.
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I think it's actually feasible (outside of the G-o-R issue). I'm just focusing on the viability of the idea in practice.
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ND can just keep doing what it's doing. It has no reason to change until it's forced to.
Agreed. Sometimes if you're not paying close attention, you can find out when you think you need to change that it has passed you by though.
If ND thinks they're the belle of the ball, waiting around for Prince Charming to sweep her off her feet, she might find that all that's left at last call is Leisure Suit Larry.
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Oh yeah I completely agree that ND has no need to make a change in the current environment.
But it's also true that they are the only remaining prize and it would be foolish for the B1G NOT to continue pursuing them because, as bwar points out, things change.
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Getting to play in the fertile Miami recruiting grounds every year hasn't done squat for the Acc Coastal Division. Not even Miami.
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ND gets $22 Million per year from NBC.
Miami gets $36 Million from the ACC deal.
And so does ND.
F ND.
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I don't really agree with the idea that adding a team because of recruiting makes any sense.
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Getting to play in the fertile Miami recruiting grounds every year hasn't done squat for the Acc Coastal Division. Not even Miami.
It doesn't matter, as long as people think it will,...