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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on May 11, 2023, 09:36:43 PM
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Outlined against a blue-gray October sky the Four Horsemen rode again. In dramatic lore they are known as famine, pestilence, destruction and death. These are only aliases. Their real names are: Stuhldreher, Miller, Crowley and Layden. They formed the crest of the South Bend cyclone before which another fighting Army team was swept over the precipice at the Polo Grounds this afternoon as 55,000 spectators peered down upon the bewildering panorama spread out upon the green plain below. - Grantland Rice
So they were 4 offensive players - QB, 2 RBs, and a FB.
What are some more recent 4-somes that may earn the moniker today?
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Immediately coming to mind are 2019 LSU's Burrow, Edwards-Helaire, Jefferson, and Chase.
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Maybe a brief 94-95 Nebraska quartet of Frazier, Phillips, Green, and Schlesinger/Mackovicka?
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Maybe one of those WV teams in the mid-2000s? I'd have to look it up.
Do you guys have any off the top of your head?
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Turner Gill, Irving Fryer, Mark Schellen, Mike Rozier
FB Schellen,
Set a Nebraska fullback record with nine touchdowns in 1983
Held Nebraska's all-time bench press record with a best of 475 pounds
Schellen was a key part of the 1983 Husker Offense, scoring 9 touchdowns, which was a Nebraska fullback record at the time. He gained 450 yards on 77 carries as a senior,
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Fun question. Do they all have to be in the backfield?
Not college but maybe QB Troy Aikman, RB Emmitt Smith, TE Jay Novacek, and WR Michael Irvin?. Or you could maybe sub in RB Darryl Johnston for TE Jay Novacek. Or maybe they had 5 horsemen..?
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the NFL thread is that way>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ok, okay.
So then, Roger Staubach, Tony Dorsett, Robert Newhouse, and Drew Pearson.
Yup, that'll do the trick.
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So that's recent? Hell your dad was younger than you are now when those fossils were kicking up chalk
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Can we have all posts with "Not college, but..." deleted on non-NFL specific threads? :)
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I don't see any reason they all have to be in the backfield, hence the 2019 LSU example.
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The 08 Gators have Tebow, the midgets (Rainey & Demps) and Harvin. That's like 3 cheetahs and a sledge hammer.
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07 WV
Pat White
Steve Slaton
Noel Devine
Owen Schmidt (the Beer Truck)
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2005 USC
Matt Leinart
Reggie Bush
Lendale White
Dwayne Jarrett
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2007 Arkansas
Darren McFadden
Felix Jones
Peyton Hillis
Marcus Monk
I remembered the loaded backfield for Arkansas and seemed to remember a stud WR but couldn’t remember his name. When I looked it up I saw Monk only had 16 catches for 144 yards and thought maybe I just remembered him as being better than he was. But the year before Monk had 50 catches for 962 yards and 11 TDS.
In 07 he only played in 7 games but so I’m assuming he was injured.
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I’d have to think in the last several years Ohio St, Bama, and Clemson have had some combinations at QB/RB/WR/WR that would definitely qualify. Oklahoma as well.
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2012 Wisconsin:
RB James White
RB Montee Ball
RB Melvin Gordon
FB Derek Watt
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the PSU offense in 94 broke some NCAA records
Ki-Jana Carter - RB, Kerry Collins - QB, Kyle Brady - TE, Bobby Engram - WR
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Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter, that's four isn't it?
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1996 Texas
RB Ricky Williams
RB Priest Holmes
QB James Brown
RB Schon Mitchell
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2012 Wisconsin:
RB James White
RB Montee Ball
RB Melvin Gordon
FB Derek Watt
This is Curt Philips erasure
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2003 Auburn:
Jason Campbell
Ronnie Brown
Cadillac Williams
Brandon Jacobs
Horses.
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This is Curt Philips erasure
And DOB too.
Didn't need a QB that season.
Hell, White threw more touchdown passes against UNL than Phillips did.
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2007 Arkansas
Darren McFadden
Felix Jones
Peyton Hillis
Marcus Monk
I remembered the loaded backfield for Arkansas and seemed to remember a stud WR but couldn’t remember his name. When I looked it up I saw Monk only had 16 catches for 144 yards and thought maybe I just remembered him as being better than he was. But the year before Monk had 50 catches for 962 yards and 11 TDS.
In 07 he only played in 7 games but so I’m assuming he was injured.
Yeah, I was ready to post one of those Arky teams, but I don't think they all lined up with productive seasons.
Casey Dick!
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These are some great examples, guys!
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Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter, that's four isn't it?
I was thinking about a defensive version. Surely you could add on Dean and Ringo from that 2021 team!
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92 Bama - Curry & Copeland + Teague & Langham
More?
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These are some great examples, guys!
Wait a second... this is just a veiled attempt at data gathering for your game, isn't it?? :)
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gotta come up with another name for a defensive team
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Yeah, I was ready to post one of those Arky teams, but I don't think they all lined up with productive seasons.
Casey Dick!
Hillis was a fullback, so he was never really productive in college, except as a receiver his last year.
The best overall year was 2006. They opened by losing to defending runner up USC, which finished 11-2, No. 4 in the country. Then they ripped off 10 wins in a row to get No. 5. Then they lost to the team that would finish No. 3 by 5, the eventual national champion by 10 in a competitive game, and finally lost by 3 in the bowl to a 12-1 team that finished No. 7.
The next year, Hillis was better, and the other two backs were insanely good, but Monk got hurt. They lost a couple so-so games early and were mostly out of it, save for the LSU upset.
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gotta come up with another name for a defensive team
That's going to be tough.....what compares to the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse?
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Mabye the 7th Layer of Hell (violence)? List the top 7 defenders of the starting 11. That takes depth. But you get to trim some fat off of the more anonymous guys.
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Wait a second... this is just a veiled attempt at data gathering for your game, isn't it?? :)
Guilty!
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Then they lost to the , the eventual national champion by 10 in a competitive game,
Reggie Fish!!!
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That's going to be tough.....what compares to the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse?
“Fearsome Foursome”
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recent bama nominations:
mac jones, najee harris, devonta smith, jaylen waddle - heisman winner, 2 more finalists, and maybe best of them all got hurt half way through season.
tua, smith, waddle, jeudy.
wr only, 2018 and 2019 had waddle, jeudy, ruggs, and smith. - heisman, 2 belitnikoffs, maxwell, walter camp, hornung awards, sec poty, sec sp team poty, sec foty, AP poty, sport news poty, all 1st rounders (6, 10, 12, 15th). ruggs has unfortunately tarnished this group with his dumbassery off the field.
as for some big uglies, 2012 bama oline had warmack (unanimous AA, rd 1 at guard), fluker (AA, rd 1), kuandjio (consensus AA next season, rd 2), and barrett jones (2 time AA, 1 unanimous and 1 consensus, wuerful, remington, outland, jim parker, and campbell award winner, rd 1 pick).
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I don't think linemen really play into it. I guess they could. Idk, when one of the 4 horsemen is 'famine', it doesn't really jive. :57:
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I really like the 94 Penn St example - probably the best mish-mash of old timey QB-RB-RB-FB and newfangled QB-RB-WR-WR.
I don't think people will remember what an all-time great season Ki-Jana Carter had that year - with Salaam going over 2,000 yards and Carter's immediate 'bust' NFL career. To average 7.8 ypc on 200 carries is sick.
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yup, if I remember properly (probably don't) the 94 PSU offense broke a few records held by the 83 Husker's scoring explosion
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I don't think linemen really play into it. I guess they could. Idk, when one of the 4 horsemen is 'famine', it doesn't really jive. :57:
well, the famine is supposed to be the effect the horsemen have on others. could interpret it to be when the big guys come to the table, no one else gets to eat.
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I really like the 94 Penn St example - probably the best mish-mash of old timey QB-RB-RB-FB and newfangled QB-RB-WR-WR.
I don't think people will remember what an all-time great season Ki-Jana Carter had that year - with Salaam going over 2,000 yards and Carter's immediate 'bust' NFL career. To average 7.8 ypc on 200 carries is sick.
1971 Pruitt rushed for 1,760 yards on 196 rushing attempts – an amazing 9.0 average yards per carry. Pruitt scored 18 rushing touchdowns in 1971.
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That was a great season and he was a great player, but I've watched a lot of film from back then and that 9.0 ypc from merely great to other-worldly was mostly due to Mildren's late pitches on the option.
He routinely kept it, slightly cut upfield as the pitch man defender was bypassed by Pruitt (good on him), and managed to pitch it out as he's hit to a totally free-and-clear Pruitt.
I think the reason more option offenses couldn't do it was because of Mildren + Pruitt doing it and everyone focused on not allowing that next-level method of play.
Did that make sense? lol
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risk reward
Mildren obviously had the trust of the coach to make a good pitch that wouldn't result in a turnover
most option offense coaches don't allow the pitch during contact or even after getting into traffic. Especially if the QB has gained 5 or 10 yards.
the Sooners relied on "magic" to limit those turnovers and would risk it for the opportunity for the big play.
wasn't usually a big deal because of their defense and their dominance of weaker teams
it did bite them in 1978 in Lincoln - probably saved Osborne's job
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I really like the 94 Penn St example - probably the best mish-mash of old timey QB-RB-RB-FB and newfangled QB-RB-WR-WR.
I don't think people will remember what an all-time great season Ki-Jana Carter had that year - with Salaam going over 2,000 yards and Carter's immediate 'bust' NFL career. To average 7.8 ypc on 200 carries is sick.
I think most Big Ten fans remember how great he was. IMO, that was the best Big Ten team I've seen. And with Michigan sort of treading water at the time, OSU unable to get over the top with Cooper, Iowa fading under late Fry, MSU on probation, and nobody yet believing Wisconsin was sustainable, I remember thinking PSU was about to absolutely take over the Big Ten.
The problem was JoePa failed to find a good QB for nearly a decade after Kerry Collins. They had strong defenses, particularly in the front seven. They had enough OL and RB. They didn't necessarily find elite WR after Engram, but they were decent. But their list of QBs after Collins was brutal for a program of that stature. Particularly considering watching Jeff Smoker spurn them for MSU and Chad Henne spurn them for Michigan.
They literally went a decade where Zach Mills was the best they had
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I think most Big Ten fans remember how great he was. IMO, that was the best Big Ten team I've seen. And with Michigan sort of treading water at the time, OSU unable to get over the top with Cooper, Iowa fading under late Fry, MSU on probation, and nobody yet believing Wisconsin was sustainable, I remember thinking PSU was about to absolutely take over the Big Ten.
The problem was JoePa failed to find a good QB for nearly a decade after Kerry Collins. They had strong defenses, particularly in the front seven. They had enough OL and RB. They didn't necessarily find elite WR after Engram, but they were decent. But their list of QBs after Collins was brutal for a program of that stature. Particularly considering watching Jeff Smoker spurn them for MSU and Chad Henne spurn them for Michigan.
They literally went a decade where Zach Mills was the best they had
Looking up their subsequent starting QBs
95-96: Wally Richardson
97: Mike McQuery
98-99: Kevin Thompson
00: Rashard Casey
01-04: Zack Mills
I would put that up against any decent P5 programs 10 year QB run of disasters. Let alone a helmet school.
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02 miami - dorsey, mcgahee, andre johnson, and kellen winslow jr. one of my favorite offenses to watch.
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Did Abdul-Kaliq play with the Barber/Maroney duo? That might be a good, off-the-radar one. I'd have to look it up.
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Did Abdul-Kaliq play with the Barber/Maroney duo? That might be a good, off-the-radar one. I'd have to look it up.
2003 I believe. Maroney was a freshman I think.
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Wow, a great 4some:
2003 Minnesota
QB - Asad Abdul-Khaliq: 2400 yds with 17 TD/5 INT...162 pass rating
RB - Marion Barber III: 1200 yds 17 TD
RB - Laurence Maroney: 1100 yds 10 TD
WR - Jared Ellerson: 900 yds @ 21 per catch
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You could even go 3 RB deep with Thomas Tapeh, who had 11 TDs and 900 yds the previous season.
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That team went 10-3 and beat Wisconsin.
The Goophs wouldn't beat Wisconsin again until 2018, and wouldn't win 10 games again until 2019 (11-2).