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Title: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on January 25, 2023, 04:38:05 PM
MSU doubles down on guys with NFL training experience as their assistant coaches.  After hiring Brandon Jordan last year (who trained JJ Watt), they now hired Diron Reynolds, who previously coached DL at Stanford, but has trained linemen in between.

I think this is great in the short term, and maybe that's the plan.  We already landed one high 4* DL over Alabama and Oklahoma due to Jordan, and it seems like this will lock down a 5* DL, who would be the 2nd highest rated recruit in the 247 era.  But if these guys are just recruiting tools, that runs out, once they aren't training NFL players.  Maybe that is Tucker's philosophy.  Just burn through position coaches, based on acquiring talent, rather than developing it.  Feels like a different method to get to the same end result.  Either scout underrated 3* talent and develop the hell out of them, like Dantonio; or bring in 4/5* talent, and hope in pans out.  I guess we've seen Option A, and it's good enough to win Big Ten titles, but get blown out by well coached 4/5* talent.  So whatever, I guess this is Option B.  See if poorly coached 4/5* talent can do better
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MikeDeTiger on January 27, 2023, 10:29:27 AM
Interesting thought.

I think there's got to be a balance somewhere.  Maybe comparing position coaches to coordinators is apples and oranges, but back when Crowton was our OC the major knock on the teams was that they looked exactly like what they were...a bunch of 4 and 5 star physically gifted kids who weren't developed well.  They were athletic, but never made into great football players, if that makes sense.  It was kind of the opposite of what you're talking about MSU having been through...talent was good enough to win many of their games, but get blown out by well-coached 4/5* talent.  Or in some cases, lose or at least struggle mightily with well-coached 3* talent. 

I suspect Tucker knows both sides of this.  Not being familiar with those guys I have to ask, when you say "See if poorly coached 4/5* talent can be do better," what's the reason for believing they'll be poorly coached?  Do these guys have a bad track record, or are they just unproven?  If unproven, that's where you have to trust Tucker, I reckon.  
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2023, 06:41:20 AM
Is there a back story behind Marco Coleman leaving for the same position at GT?
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on February 01, 2023, 09:24:26 AM
His alma mater
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2023, 09:28:29 AM
I get that, but it's still a step down.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on February 14, 2023, 10:14:56 PM
OSU just hired an MSU GA away, who was apparently a very good recruiter, to be an assistant DB coach.

Seems like *maybe* if he was good enough for OSU to find a coaching role for him, MSU *maybe* could have found one?  But no, I'm sure MSU just has way more coaching options right now, and OSU can just have our scraps.  :96:
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on March 04, 2023, 07:09:51 PM
MSU doubles down on guys with NFL training experience as their assistant coaches.  After hiring Brandon Jordan last year (who trained JJ Watt),
And Jordan is off to the NFL.  Figured he wasn't going to be an MSU "pass rush specialist" for long, but thought maybe longer than 1 year.  MSU was the presumed favorite for #1 DL David Stone, and this likely ends that.  Hell, Michigan's Mike Morris chose to train with Jordan for the draft this year.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 26, 2023, 08:19:13 AM
Michigan State set to part ways with GM Saeed Khalif (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/michigan-state/Article/Michigan-State-Football-Mel-Tucker-Saeed-Khalif-206944378/)


Doesn't seem to last very long at his stops.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on March 26, 2023, 02:50:04 PM
Apparently they are eliminating the position, because the position coaches felt like he had too much say in initial evaluations of who got offers.  He was still at practice as a fan afterwards
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 26, 2023, 03:03:25 PM
He wanted that GM title in Madison and PC wouldn't have it. Of course, there is now one in Madison.

My impression is that he was chasing STARZ at both places, rather than doing strong eval.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on April 30, 2023, 12:24:41 PM
Payton Thorne in the transfer portal
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on April 30, 2023, 12:29:47 PM
Payton Thorne in the transfer portal
That seems surprising 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on April 30, 2023, 12:32:27 PM
Lol, and possibly Keon Coleman.  WR1
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on April 30, 2023, 12:33:55 PM
Lol, and possibly Keon Coleman.  WR1
What is going on there?
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on April 30, 2023, 12:37:18 PM
Thorne lost the QB competition

Coleman sounds like it may be an NIL thing
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on May 22, 2023, 11:31:17 PM
Penn State - MSU moving to Black Friday this year. Big Ten Rivalry Game Is Reportedly Moving To Black Friday (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/big-ten-rivalry-game-is-reportedly-moving-to-black-friday/ar-AA1bwQZI?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=28d5b0e0af4540f78b3dc135e84d4b86&ei=43)

Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on May 25, 2023, 01:41:14 AM
The Penn State v. Michigan State rivalry game will not be played at Spartan Stadium, but instead at Ford Field.

What do MSU fans think of senior day on Black Friday not at the home stadium?
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Temp430 on May 25, 2023, 08:24:59 AM
So, I guess the logic for moving the game to Ford field was to get more Spartan attendance?


https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/2023/05/24/msu-football-moves-penn-st-game-to-ford-field-high-school-championships-move-to-weekend/70252447007/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/2023/05/24/msu-football-moves-penn-st-game-to-ford-field-high-school-championships-move-to-weekend/70252447007/)
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on May 26, 2023, 11:35:54 AM
makes zero sense to me why they'd play Penn State in Ford Field lol. 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 26, 2023, 11:36:41 AM
more fans in the stands
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on May 26, 2023, 11:38:28 AM
more fans in the stands
Spartan stadium has more capacity than Ford Field....how does this get more fans in the stands? 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 26, 2023, 11:41:18 AM
students aren't on campus on Thanksgiving break
if inclement weather, some older fans might not attend

perhaps Sparty always jams the house for PSU regardless?
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on May 26, 2023, 11:44:28 AM
students aren't on campus on Thanksgiving break
ok that makes some sense now. didn't realize the game was being played then.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 26, 2023, 11:46:17 AM
more fans in the stands
More like higher ticket prices for the PSU fans who fly into Detroit.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on May 26, 2023, 11:49:38 AM
More like higher ticket prices for the PSU fans who fly into Detroit.
that was my initial thought. 

I'd have to think MSU fans would be kinda ticked off by this. They are losing a home field night game to a neutral site NFL stadium. 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on July 29, 2023, 02:41:16 PM
Mel Tucker has the cheesiest photo ops for social media....yeeesh

https://twitter.com/sbell021/status/1685124055945322496?s=20
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on July 30, 2023, 03:01:09 AM
Anyone hear from ELA? Been over 2 months since he posted according to his profile
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Benthere2 on August 01, 2023, 06:52:50 PM
Anyone hear from ELA? Been over 2 months since he posted according to his profile
going to miss his polls for all conference 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 01, 2023, 07:27:37 PM
Anyone hear from ELA? Been over 2 months since he posted according to his profile
going to miss his polls for all conference
the polls are nice as long timer I like his banter/insight. And we have a mutual enemy (https://www.cfb51.com/Smileys/fantasticsmileys/grin.gif)
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on August 06, 2023, 02:14:27 PM
Tuck says 2023 is his best roster yet at Michigan State...

https://www.si.com/college/michiganstate/football/michigan-state-spartans-football-mel-tucker-2023-roster-improved-depth-talent-msu-mark-dantonio-080523
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 06, 2023, 02:22:03 PM
Hope they come out in Fightin' shape
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on August 06, 2023, 02:42:29 PM
if Tuck goes 3-9 or 4-8 or 5-7 is he officially on the hot seat? I think he's got to get to 6-6/7-5 to be safe. Anything less than that and he's coaching for his life in '24 imo. 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on August 08, 2023, 10:44:47 AM
Tuck and his OC Johnson talking about possibly having a 2 QB system this year...

https://twitter.com/chrissolari/status/1688644323934437377?s=20
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on August 25, 2023, 05:36:14 PM
Tucker bitching about Michigan State's NIL. Sounds like some excuse making.

Initial reactions: 

A) You're one of the highest paid coaches in the sport, getting paid almost $10 million a year. Figure it out. No one wants to hear excuses or complaints. 

B) You're at Michigan State, you're never in a million years going to recruit like Ohio State, UGA, BAMA even if you have NIL in place and rocking and rolling....so maybe don't try to?   

C) You have to hire excellent coaching staffs that have crack HS player evals & player development (Dantonio was a master in both these departments) and you have to hit the portal sparringly to find top-level (think Kenneth Walker) guys you can plug-in here or there- not the 50 guys he's added in 3 years. You still need to primarily build the roster out every year by recruiting and developing your own guys if you want to sustain success.

https://twitter.com/LSJNews/status/1694704621317456196?s=20
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on August 25, 2023, 11:15:36 PM
His coaching hires have been questionable at best
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on August 30, 2023, 05:04:20 PM
My thoughts this year is there are 4 games where they will be substantial underdogs (UM, OSU, PSU, Washington).  Probably 2 games where they will be slight underdogs (at Iowa, at Minnesota).  2 games where they are slight favorites (Maryland and Nebraska at home).  4 games where they should be favored (CMU, Richmond, Rutgers, Indiana).

I'll be optimistic and say they upset either PSU or Washington, and split the 4 toss upish games, and go 7-5.  Worst case is probably 5-7, losing all 4, and going 1-3 in the toss ups.

So, guessing 6-6
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on August 30, 2023, 05:51:05 PM
IMO the Washington Huskies are overrated and no school is more dependent on a single player that Washington is on an injury prone Michael Penix. Spartans are at home with the revenge factor on their side. Betting on Michigan State.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on August 30, 2023, 07:25:39 PM
His coaching hires have been questionable at best
To extrapolate.  He has increased the recruiting from previous years.  As I said in other threads, I don't hate that.  The way college football has evolved, you are either Georgia or you are Georgia State.  I took more shit from Michigan fans over getting blown out in the CFP than I ever did from going 3-9 under JLS.  So if it's NC or bust, you need the talent.  As well coached as 2015 was, they just simply didn't have the talent.  But man, I'm looking at Illinois was googly eyes right now
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on August 30, 2023, 09:29:39 PM
And granted if you are counting on true freshmen on the OL, you are in a bad place, but MSUs highest rated OL recruit in 5 years just announced he's having knee surgery.  Even if he wasn't going to play, that's a year of missed reps
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: utee94 on August 31, 2023, 10:35:21 AM
Wait, what's the deal with Harbaugh not coaching for some games, and trading off the head coaching duties weekly?  

What the heck happened?  

I heard something on a blurb for college football in the background on ESPN or something, it's the first I've heard of it but it's also the first college football TV/radio I've listened to since last Fall.

I'm sure it's somewhere on the previous pages, but can someome summarize? 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 31, 2023, 10:39:39 AM
Take a look at the Michigan thread. There's some stuff in there.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: utee94 on August 31, 2023, 10:48:46 AM
Oh shoot, sorry.  I saw the word "Michigan" in the thread title and thought this was the Michigan thread.

Y'all have too many threads on this forum.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 31, 2023, 11:19:12 AM
Oh shoot, sorry.  I saw the word "Michigan" in the thread title and thought this was the Michigan thread.

Y'all have too many threads on this forum.
Just like I do for my wife, maybe we should distinguish these threads for you. 

MSU is "green Michigan".

UM is "Harbaugh Michigan". 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on September 01, 2023, 10:42:27 PM
Just like I do for my wife, maybe we should distinguish these threads for you.

MSU is "green Michigan".

UM is "Harbaugh Michigan".

I know Pittsburgh is a pro sports town, but you wouldn't believe how often my wife's die hard Pittsburgh sports relatives comment to me as though Michigan and Michigan State are the same team
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on September 01, 2023, 10:45:03 PM
get them back with references to pitt and PSU
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on September 01, 2023, 10:51:30 PM
I mentioned it in the Week 1 thread, but CMU caveat aside, I was very happy with the halftime adjustments.  That was my biggest gripe with this staff each of the past two years.  Better teams will have a counter to your counter punch, but that was a better defensive counter punch than I've seen from this staff.

The defensive seven played fine.  They were supposed to be the strength, and even though apparently CMU has arguably the best offensive line in the MAC, if they are the strength of this team, they've got some work to do. I think the offensive line looked good, and for how young the secondary is, they actually looked better than last year. I think we are more than set at RB and WR.  TE continues to be underwhelming.  Maliq Carr got all of the flowers that he had taken the step from good to great.  Instead it looks like he put on a bunch of bad weight, and still has inconsistent hands.

QB it's in own thing.  I was fine with Thorne leaving.  He was good 2 years ago, he was subpar last year.  If he had stayed he probably would have been the starter.  He demanded a guarantee, and when he didn't get it, he took the guarantee from Hugh Freeze.  I didn't think Thorne played well enough to be guaranteed the job, and if another program was desperate enough to give it to him, good for them.  But man, Kim got better but neither one looked good enough for me to understand why it remained an open competition.  Now there are also rumors that Auburn's promise came with an NIL promise. I can't speak to that.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Temp430 on September 10, 2023, 02:24:32 PM
Is an accusation of sexual harassment enough to get Tucker fired?  Seems like Mel could fight this if its only the accuser and a sexual harassment specialist’s determination that it likely happened.  But then again, given MSU’s history, they have no tolerance of even a hint of such harassment.  And then there’s Mel’s big $95M contract.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on September 10, 2023, 02:39:36 PM
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Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on September 10, 2023, 02:40:53 PM
And then there’s Mel’s big $95M contract.

Mel Tucker’s is the worst coaching contract going in college sports right now.

Not sure what Michigan State (among others) saw in Tucker, off a 5-7 season at Colorado, to begin with. But what puts Michigan State’s situation with Mel Tucker over the top is the horrendous and thoughtless contract.

$95M. 10 YEARS. ALL GUARANTEED. It should lead to the firing of the AD.

Alan Haller is a feel-good hometown story for MSU, and we all want to root for someone like Haller but I’m guessing he was just too new to the job to keep from otherwise getting duped by an imposter.

Mel Tucker is an imposter.

Look at it this way - Kenny Walker is the biggest reason Michigan State went 11-2, finished Top 10, and rushed sink their short term fate with Mel Tucker in 2021.

Take out Michigan State’s Kenny Walker season and Mel Tucker over the remaining three seasons is 5-7, 2-5, and 5-7.

Tucker is a 14-19 coach that is somehow on contract for $95M.

Michigan State’s reality is worse than Tucker being another bad hire. 

$95M for a middling employee is ORGANIZED RACKETEERING committed under the banner of a public institution.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 10, 2023, 03:02:59 PM
yeah that contract is easily the worst thing in college football if not all of sports history. it's literally insane.

at least with those massive deals for Jimbo or Brian Kelly there was something to point to in past history. Jimbo has a national title on his belt, made the CFP as well, and signed #1 recruiting classes. Kelly was a conquerer on the small ball level, had success at G5 at Cinci, and he had taken ND to a BCS national title and two CFPs and signed plenty of top 10 recruiting classes.

Mel? Nothing. Never signed a top 10 class. Never been to a playoff or won a title. 5-7 at his only previous HC job, 2-5 first year at MSU, and then 11-2 season on the back of KWIII. There just wasn't much to go on, and they gave him a $95 million guaranteed contract like there was. It was a colossal mistake. Obviously.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on September 10, 2023, 03:07:52 PM
Mel Tucker’s is the worst coaching contract going in college sports right now.

Not sure what Michigan State (among others) saw in Tucker, off a 5-7 season at Colorado, to begin with. But what puts Michigan State’s situation with Mel Tucker over the top is the horrendous and thoughtless contract.  I said it elsewhere, that MD basically didn't recruit his last 3 classes.  He just poached MAC kids.  Instead of finding diamonds in the rough, he was just poaching guys who had already committed, to a staff that was mostly his 65 year old friends, with nowhere else to turn.  Mel's first class was non-existent.  He came in in February 2020, way after most coaches are brought in, and like 3 weeks before a global pandemic  shut down recruiting.  He never met a 2021 commit in person prior to signing day.  The thought of having to do that again 2 years later was a tough pill to swallow.  And he had a hard offer from LSU that MSU had to beat to keep him

$95M. 10 YEARS. ALL GUARANTEED. It should lead to the firing of the AD. MSU isn't paying a good chunk of it.  Two mega donors are.  

Alan Haller is a feel-good hometown story for MSU, and we all want to root for someone like Haller but I’m guessing he was just too new to the job to keep from otherwise getting duped by an imposter.  Haller was willing to wait it out until LSU came in with their bonkers offer, and two donors were willing to foot half the bill.  I still like Haller, and I get why you can't fire him, but my one criticism in all of this, is why not suspend him with pay?

Mel Tucker is an imposter. Yes

Look at it this way - Kenny Walker is the biggest reason Michigan State went 11-2, finished Top 10, and rushed sink their short term fate with Mel Tucker in 2021.  Yes, and now Auburn is learning that too

Take out Michigan State’s Kenny Walker season and Mel Tucker over the remaining three seasons is 5-7, 2-5, and 5-7.  That's just a fact

Tucker is a 14-19 coach that is somehow on contract for $95M.  Because LSU gave him leverage, and MSU was able to convince some big money to help out

Michigan State’s reality is worse than Tucker being another bad hire.  Yes.  Also no.  So who knows.  The roster turnover is going to be heavy, due to the portal.  But the portal also means you can bring in new guys.  And, assuming they are in the clear with a for cause, we now know the deal in the NIL era.  Even if Tucker had that season in 2022, and that's when LSU came calling, any smart school would tell the donors to hold off, let him walk, and save those checks for the players

$95M for a middling employee is ORGANIZED RACKETEERING committed under the banner of a public institution.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on September 10, 2023, 03:24:37 PM
Well, I understood why MSU couldn't fire him yet, but my one issue was why they hadn't suspended him with pay.  This might answer some of that, because she filed it through Title IX, and not just a civil lawsuit.

https://twitter.com/DavidHarns/status/1700947178498240523?s=20
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on September 10, 2023, 03:29:28 PM
https://twitter.com/OdellBretthamJr/status/1700947990062436657?s=20
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on September 10, 2023, 03:49:16 PM
Is an accusation of sexual harassment enough to get Tucker fired?  Seems like Mel could fight this if its only the accuser and a sexual harassment specialist’s determination that it likely happened.  But then again, given MSU’s history, they have no tolerance of even a hint of such harassment.  And then there’s Mel’s big $95M contract.
He admitted something happened. And doing that with someone attached to your job will usually get you in hot water, even in the best light. 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: LittlePig on September 10, 2023, 04:16:51 PM
https://x.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1700959261755375620?s=01

Mel Tucker fired as Michigan State’s coach, sources told @ActionNetworkHQ. Secondary coach Harlon Barnett will be MSU’s interim coach w/former coach Mark Dantonio expected to assist in an undefined role. MSU investigating allegations Tucker sexually harassed activist/rape survivor Brenda Tracy, USA Today reported. School has called a 5 p.m. news conference
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 10, 2023, 04:27:16 PM
they should rename the tom izzo football building the mark dantonio football building
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: LittlePig on September 10, 2023, 04:32:28 PM
https://x.com/chrissolari/status/1700961092904649051?s=01

Not so fast my friends

Hearing MSU football coach Mel Tucker is suspended with pay pending the outcome of the Title IX investigation, per a source.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on September 10, 2023, 04:36:30 PM
https://x.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1700959261755375620?s=01

Mel Tucker fired as Michigan State’s coach, sources told @ActionNetworkHQ. Secondary coach Harlon Barnett will be MSU’s interim coach w/former coach Mark Dantonio expected to assist in an undefined role. MSU investigating allegations Tucker sexually harassed activist/rape survivor Brenda Tracy, USA Today reported. School has called a 5 p.m. news conference
No, suspended with pay.  They legally cannot fire him.  Suspended with pay is all of our dream job
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 10, 2023, 04:38:12 PM
at least with those massive deals for Jimbo or Brian Kelly there was something to point to in past history. Jimbo has a national title on his belt, made the CFP as well, and signed #1 recruiting classes. Kelly was a conquerer on the small ball level, had success at G5 at Cinci, and he had taken ND to a BCS national title and two CFPs and signed plenty of top 10 recruiting classes.
Ahem. A national title appearance. Not a national title. 

Not trying to dunk on you Mdot. Just love pointing out that ND gets stomped in the postseason with remarkable regularity, and hasn't had a national title since I was 10 years old.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 10, 2023, 04:52:46 PM
Sparty gonna steal another Colorado coach? 

(https://media.tenor.com/M_e_K8e6xFIAAAAM/deion-sanders.gif)
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on September 10, 2023, 04:55:07 PM
Sparty gonna steal another Colorado coach?

(https://media.tenor.com/M_e_K8e6xFIAAAAM/deion-sanders.gif)
Nah, the move is to get the guy who can teflon this type of accusations


https://twitter.com/TheNederhoff/status/1700962143846215858?s=20
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 10, 2023, 04:57:08 PM
Nah, the move is to get the guy who can teflon this type of accusations


https://twitter.com/TheNederhoff/status/1700962143846215858?s=20
that's a joke right, lol? 

would Urbs even take that job? 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 10, 2023, 04:58:07 PM
I vote for Matt Campbell. he can't beat his in-state rival, good hire for MSU if that holds at his next job :P
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on September 10, 2023, 05:01:45 PM
I vote for Matt Campbell. he can't beat his in-state rival, good hire for MSU if that holds at his next job :P
I mean MSU's last two head coaches have a winning record against their in state rival.

Lets just hire a guy with Big Ten coordinating experience

(https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2023/02/06/54cad3b5-1b7f-4d21-80a2-ddb548cfbe80/thumbnail/1200x675/037db9b9c2fe5c4783742c7b39bf0345/brian-ferentz.jpg)
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on September 10, 2023, 05:21:08 PM
John L. Smith is available, sources are telling me
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on September 10, 2023, 05:39:49 PM
John L. Smith is available, sources are telling me
In 2003 he said the L stood for Lansing.  In 2023 it stands for Last Choice
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Temp430 on September 11, 2023, 07:15:53 AM
Don't think Urban will be Sparty's next head coach.  But would be amazing if it happened.  I'm thinking maybe Pat Narduzzi at Pitt or Brian Hartline, the Buckeye's OC.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on September 11, 2023, 07:18:22 AM
Don't think Urban will be Sparty's next head coach.  But would be amazing if it happened.  I'm thinking maybe Pat Narduzzi at Pitt or Brian Hartline, the Buckeye's OC.
Jay Harbaugh
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Temp430 on September 11, 2023, 07:23:16 AM
Jay Harbaugh
Not if Mark Dantonio has any involvement in the coaching search and it sounds like he has a role.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 11, 2023, 07:43:50 AM
Ahem. A national title appearance. Not a national title.
Well you're no fun,good arguments can never get off the ground like that! Please refrain from spot on comments until the season is over
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 11, 2023, 07:46:09 AM
Don't think Urban will be Sparty's next head coach.  But would be amazing if it happened.  I'm thinking maybe Pat Narduzzi at Pitt or Brian Hartline, the Buckeye's OC.
Ya Narduzzi is a good choice - Spartan pedigree and all
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 11, 2023, 07:49:48 AM
Nah, the move is to get the guy who can teflon this type of accusations
HA! just look at that smirk on the guy's image - just wondering who will bite and run with it. This is fearless level trolling pot stirring. 

They going to consider Art Briles if URBZ turns them down?
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on September 11, 2023, 08:57:15 AM
Don't think Urban will be Sparty's next head coach.  But would be amazing if it happened.  I'm thinking maybe Pat Narduzzi at Pitt or Brian Hartline, the Buckeye's OC.
They didn't even really kick the tires on that one last time, but the thought was he didn't want to be the guy to replace MD, when the parting was not 100% mutual.

Maybe different this time?  But also, he'll be 58 when next season starts.  Leipold will be 60.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 11, 2023, 09:40:03 AM
are they are bringing Dantonio back to help out as a coach on the field or to help in the search to find the new permanent coach?

this is wild right here, this Brenda Tracy was crusading on the twitters back in the day against Dantonio whilst extolling the virtues of Tucker. She may be a psycho path guys. Just saying. I know the media says we're just supposed to automatically "believe all women" (except for when it's one accusing Joe Biden that is) but you know people do lie about things. I don't know what happened. None of us do. None of us were there. Now, even if what Mel says was true and that the phone sex was consensual and he was this ladies sugar daddy....he still deserves to be fired for being a complete dumbass and opening up himself/MSU to this entire fiasco if you ask me. And this lady realizes she could've just hung up the phone....right? Hang up the phone.....it's pretty fun to just hang up on people, I do it all the time. 



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Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on September 11, 2023, 11:22:53 AM
No, suspended with pay.  They legally cannot fire him.  Suspended with pay is all of our dream job

Why? At this point how are is there not enough grounds to fire Mel if MSU wants?

Is Michigan State making sure all their ducks are in a row in order to fire Mel for cause with the convenient intent of voiding payout of the nearly $70M left on Mel's contract?

Yesterday I said: "$95M for a middling employee is ORGANIZED RACKETEERING committed under the banner of a public institution."

Today I am reducing Racketeering Charges to AGGRAVATED MALPRACTICE.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 11, 2023, 11:50:26 AM
This is just colossally stupid on Tucker's part. She was a sexual harassment awareness speaker.

Beyond that, with his massive buyout he was basically untouchable but this gives the MSU AD a way around that.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Temp430 on September 11, 2023, 12:07:53 PM
Mel Tucker is suspended without pay.  

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/2023/09/10/report-michigan-state-football-coach-mel-tucker-accused-sexual-harassment-rape-survivor/70816308007/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/2023/09/10/report-michigan-state-football-coach-mel-tucker-accused-sexual-harassment-rape-survivor/70816308007/)
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 11, 2023, 12:11:22 PM
Mel Tucker is suspended without pay. 

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/2023/09/10/report-michigan-state-football-coach-mel-tucker-accused-sexual-harassment-rape-survivor/70816308007/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/2023/09/10/report-michigan-state-football-coach-mel-tucker-accused-sexual-harassment-rape-survivor/70816308007/)
yup...they can't fire him with cause until the investigation/hearing or whatever concludes, which is suppose to be in October. 

if they fired him now he'd just sue them and they'd be on the hook for the money. they obviously don't want to pay him jackshit so they'll just wait until the investigation/hearing is over and then fire him...
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on September 11, 2023, 12:22:59 PM
BTW, Mel is going to sue the hell out of them for his money. He may have a case - these two clearly had some sort of ongoing relationship, and while jerking off on the phone sounds salacious, her story that they talked for over half an hour after midnight (something they apparently did a lot) and she just couldn't hang up sounds a little strange.  Plus, it's not like he was supposed to be coaching football at the time. How far can MSU stretch that clause about not making the university look bad? They may want to use this time to work out a settlement.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 11, 2023, 12:32:52 PM
BTW, Mel is going to sue the hell out of them for his money. He may have a case - these two clearly had some sort of ongoing relationship, and while jerking off on the phone sounds salacious, her story that they talked for over half an hour after midnight (something they apparently did a lot) and she just couldn't hang up sounds a little strange.  Plus, it's not like he was supposed to be coaching football at the time. How far can MSU stretch that clause about not making the university look bad? They may want to use this time to work out a settlement.
I agree and those negotiations would be interesting because neither side wants to risk losing:
If I'm Tucker's attorney I think I advise him to settle for a secure retirement. 

Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 11, 2023, 04:56:52 PM
(https://i.redd.it/mj3yoamd2inb1.jpg)
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 11, 2023, 05:05:28 PM
Tuck releases a public statement via his lawyer....Tuck not Cummin' anymore....Tuck goin' scorched earth....

digging his own grave. dude should probably just stfu....negotiate a settlement with MSU, sign an NDA and collect $10-15 free million and sail off into the sunset and call 1-800 phone sex lines until his little heart is full and balls are empty. 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5xalfAXYAARolR?format=png&name=medium)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5xanBFXwAA6Qxf?format=png&name=medium)
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 11, 2023, 05:10:03 PM
btw....what in the actual fk is he bringing up Jim Harbaugh for? Ummm....okkk???? weird. Mel is a straight up psychopath. And terrible football coach. I am sad to see him go. Was hoping that clown would continue to crater the program there. He's going to be forced out before he even gets the chance to really crater it. they may actually hire a legit coach now, which is not good for Michigan.

Good ol' Mel pulling the race card too...:043:

this guy is such a fkn clown jfc....
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 11, 2023, 05:46:34 PM
BTW, Mel is going to sue the hell out of them for his money. He may have a case - these two clearly had some sort of ongoing relationship
How is rubbing one out while talking to the sexual harrassment education lady not breaching the University's ethical expectations? :017:
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on September 11, 2023, 06:53:07 PM
BTW, Mel is going to sue the hell out of them for his money. He may have a case - these two clearly had some sort of ongoing relationship, and while jerking off on the phone sounds salacious, her story that they talked for over half an hour after midnight (something they apparently did a lot) and she just couldn't hang up sounds a little strange.  Plus, it's not like he was supposed to be coaching football at the time. How far can MSU stretch that clause about not making the university look bad? They may want to use this time to work out a settlement.
This. 
I am NOT defending him ( I can’t defend STUPID), but I would wager large sum of money he is telling the truth. 
He has admitted to the behavior but claims it was consensual.  Yet they have numerous late night phone calls on record- including the one in question.  36 minutes. 
And he claims she sent him a provocative pic to start that conversation.  Then- she waits months to file a complaint. 
He deserves what you get for being incredibly stupid, and not acting like a married man with children.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 11, 2023, 07:06:08 PM
He deserves what you get for being incredibly stupid, and not acting like a married man with children.

Well apparently according to that release, at the time he and his wife:


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Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 11, 2023, 07:23:08 PM

I didn't know that there were such severe consequences for cranking one off in the privacy of your own home. 

Let's say for example that, oh... Fro was spanking it every single time that he read one of your posts. 

As long as you can't see him doing it, who cares? I mean it's not like he's whipping it out on the subway. He's in the privacy of his own home. 

That's where you're supposed to do stuff like that. 

Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 11, 2023, 08:11:56 PM
How is rubbing one out while talking to the sexual harrassment education lady not breaching the University's ethical expectations? (https://www.cfb51.com/Smileys/fantasticsmileys/017.gif)

It went public with someone not his wife - he gave the school a very bad look.They gave him 95 million reasons to do the opposite.it's contractual not criminal - RUN HIM
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 11, 2023, 08:13:23 PM
I didn't know that there were such severe consequences for cranking one off in the privacy of your own home.

Let's say for example that, oh... Fro was spanking it every single time that he read one of your posts.

As long as you can't see him doing it, who cares? I mean it's not like he's whipping it out on the subway. He's in the privacy of his own home.

That's where you're supposed to do stuff like that.
he wasn't in the privacy of his own home, he was in a hotel room that the university paid for, probably on a cell phone that the university paid for, and the real problem here is he was beating his meat while a vendor that was paid by the university for speaking engagements on university property was on the other line of the phone. he readily admits all of this. he's toast. 

whether or not the beating of the meat over the phone was consensual or not is kinda a moot point at this juncture. that's all he said she said sh*t- and there's no real way to know what is true. 

dude is probably a borderline sociopath and he is most definitely a major dumbass of epic proportions. dude could've beat it on the phone with basically any other woman....any except for the one he did it with....
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 11, 2023, 08:22:03 PM
Brenda Tracy clapping back at Mel....and showing support for Jeem....who Mel dragged into this mess in his weird ass statement for some bizzzzzare ass reason (Mel a sociopath)....

https://twitter.com/brendatracy24/status/1701385885328019684?s=20

https://twitter.com/brendatracy24/status/1701373092071608491?s=20
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on September 11, 2023, 08:39:53 PM
How is rubbing one out while talking to the sexual harrassment education lady not breaching the University's ethical expectations? :017:
Well, it's not where I'd want to be. That said, his position is plausible - he and this lady talked all the time and there was some romantic interest. Does the university get to not pay their obligation because the coach's private time goes public?
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on September 11, 2023, 08:45:39 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/yvb39l1.jpg)
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on September 11, 2023, 10:52:12 PM
Well, Clay Travis is backing Mel, so he should be toast
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on September 11, 2023, 11:45:08 PM
Brenda Tracy clapping back at Mel....and showing support for Jeem....who Mel dragged into this mess in his weird ass statement for some bizzzzzare ass reason (Mel a sociopath)....

https://twitter.com/brendatracy24/status/1701385885328019684?s=20

https://twitter.com/brendatracy24/status/1701373092071608491?s=20
Just don't ask him about Bo, and he comes off clean.

The quicker you realize the type of slime that is required to reach the high end of college football, just like politics, you'll never actually support anyone again
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on September 11, 2023, 11:53:52 PM
This. 
I am NOT defending him ( I can’t defend STUPID), but I would wager large sum of money he is telling the truth. 
He has admitted to the behavior but claims it was consensual.  Yet they have numerous late night phone calls on record- including the one in question.  36 minutes. 
And he claims she sent him a provocative pic to start that conversation.  Then- she waits months to file a complaint. 
He deserves what you get for being incredibly stupid, and not acting like a married man with children.
I can't speak to the situation, but I'd guess betting against powerful guys being aggressive horny weirdos would be a bad play long term. 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 12, 2023, 07:07:21 AM
he wasn't in the privacy of his own home, he was in a hotel room that the university paid for, probably on a cell phone that the university paid for, and the real problem here is he was beating his meat while a vendor that was paid by the university for speaking engagements on university property was on the other line of the phone. he readily admits all of this. he's toast.
Hope you're right,can't see how he wiggles off the hook - a fine example of a bad example. And she could be milking things for all their worth too.With any luck their tax brackets will be changing by a wide mile in the not too distant future
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Temp430 on September 12, 2023, 07:13:52 AM
Both Brenda Tracy and Mel Tucker should have been fired by now.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 12, 2023, 07:24:44 AM
Just don't ask him about Bo, and he comes off clean.

The quicker you realize the type of slime that is required to reach the high end of college football, just like politics, you'll never actually support anyone again
Well put counsel, or academics or sleeping with recruits or hiding a felony gun charge for 7 full conference games. And allowing said felon to get on a plane 3 hrs after the incident. Anyone claiming the moral high ground there has been slamming some damn strong Kool-Aid
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 12, 2023, 07:34:43 AM
Both Brenda Tracy and Mel Tucker should have been fired by now.
due process as it's my understanding it's best to wait for final rulings before lowering the boom
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on September 12, 2023, 09:00:41 AM
I can't speak to the situation, but I'd guess betting against powerful guys being aggressive horny weirdos would be a bad play long term.
Horny Weirdo verses Professional Victim. Choose your fighter.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on September 12, 2023, 11:21:21 AM
Brenda Tracy clapping back at Mel....and showing support for Jeem....who Mel dragged into this mess in his weird ass statement for some bizzzzzare ass reason (Mel a sociopath)....

dude is probably a borderline sociopath and he is most definitely a major dumbass of epic proportions. dude could've beat it on the phone with basically any other woman....any except for the one he did it with....

Might the same character flaws be said of Mel Tucker's legal counsel? Or Mel’s agent? Where are they in letting him release a rambling statement like that?!?!

Where Mel Tucker calls the situation a 'sham' but then admits to the allegations? It makes him more believable but he's banking on the matter coming down to consent. In a mess like this, where are his lawyers to tell him that if he’s banking on consent, he’s defaulted to the role of odious male aggressor? It's an uphill battle for him, best to stay quiet. And wouldn’t you know, Mel's statement is odiously aggressive!

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Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 12, 2023, 04:30:15 PM


Brenda Tracy's lawyer on why they went public....



https://twitter.com/KatieJStrang/status/1701665158760640521?s=20




Even if this lady is lying and Mel was in consensual phone sex relationship with her or whatever....he's still a monumental dumbass and MSU caught a break. They can take the bullet now, rip the band off now and be done and blow the program up and start over with a real coach. 

Put all this ordeal aside....dude is a $100 million fraud of a coach. He's honestly not a good coach. And he was trying in vain to recruit like a helmet, but only problem is he was never going to be able to recruit at the level needed to take on the helmets. Getting a flat out stud in the portal in KWIII took him from being a 7 or 8 win coach in 2021 to 11 wins. Let's say for shits and gigs he never got KWIII in portal and went 7-5. Hell I'll give him 8-4. That's still....5-7, 2-5, 8-4, 5-7 and yeah they are 2-0 right now but they were going to get blasted by Washington this weekend even if he was on the sideline. And they were probably a 6 win team, even if he was on the sideline all year.

They'll be able to dump his ass to the curb and not have to pay him the $80 million they still owe him. They'll be able to get rid of him for a fraction of the cost and they'll have a shot at hiring a real-life coach. 

They honestly caught a break. They were on the hook and tied to him at the hip because of that guaranteed contract. They were staring at 5-7 or 6-6 for eternity and paying $100 million for it. They lucked the fk out. 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 12, 2023, 05:19:59 PM
Might the same character flaws be said of Mel Tucker's legal counsel? Or Mel’s agent? Where are they in letting him release a rambling statement like that?!?!
THIS ^^^ WTF was he thinking? did he not read the morals clause? IMO this proves what a dim bulb he really is. Just by osmosis he should have known that ,hell Boby Petrino,URBZ misconduct,Hugh Freeze,Mike Price's strip club adventure off the top of my head.For Sparty fans and the BIG he needs to be gone.

And if Brenda Tracy is looking for Sympathy - it's between shit and Syphilis
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 12, 2023, 07:11:39 PM
According to a comment on 97.1 the Ticket during Jeff Riger's show someone stated: "His divorce is going to be messier than this situation - his wife is an attorney"

The jokes just write them selves
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on September 13, 2023, 11:38:49 AM
According to a comment on 97.1 the Ticket...

Speaking of 97.1 The Ticket, you knew Mike Valenti would have a Mel Tuggy reaction:

“I woke up to FIFTY SIX text messages and I’m going all right, who’s dead and then you realize it’s our head coach. So let’s just get into it…um Public Service Announcement: Mel Tucker might be the DUMBEST human being to ever walk the face of the Earth. He’s a character out of Idiocracy…”

“To say there was a lack of judgement would say there was a degree of judgement at all. The pure idiocy of Mel Tucker…we are so far past even having to battle anyone defending him there is no defense. His defense of consent doesn’t even play because he violated the morality clause…”

“My anger has nothing to do with Michigan State University. It has everything to do with this man. This guy effed over every donor, every fan, every player, every player’s family. The administration gave him everything they never gave Mark Dantonio. They gave him the facility! They gave him the assistant pool! They gave him a contract that was UNHEARD of! And his reward was this!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6-13ZZxNCg
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 13, 2023, 11:58:04 AM
“My anger has nothing to do with Michigan State University. It has everything to do with this man. This guy effed over every donor, every fan, every player, every player’s family. The administration gave him everything they never gave Mark Dantonio. They gave him the facility! They gave him the assistant pool! They gave him a contract that was UNHEARD of! And his reward was this!”
he's got a point here....they gave Mel Tucker use of a private jet for recruiting, $180 million in facilities upgrades, large assistant cash pool, and a $95 million contract....and he never earned any of it. Mark actually earned it on the field by winning huge games, winning the B1G, making a playoff, and they never gave him anywhere near that kind of support. For fksake they just named the new football facilities after the basketball coach. Idk....maybe name them after Mark? The disrespkt is real.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 13, 2023, 12:32:35 PM
Speaking of 97.1 The Ticket, you knew Mike Valenti would have a Mel Tuggy reaction:

“My anger has nothing to do with Michigan State University. It has everything to do with this man. This guy effed over every donor, every fan, every player, every player’s family. The administration gave him everything they never gave Mark Dantonio. They gave him the facility! They gave him the assistant pool! They gave him a contract that was UNHEARD of! And his reward was this!”
always listen to MV's latest CFB podcasts and heard that. Thanx for reposting Mike laid it out very well and Rico was livivd also.Not sure if I've heard of somebody shoot themselves in the foot then stick the damn thing in their mouth quite like Mel just did 

 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 13, 2023, 10:50:48 PM
The MSU meltdowns are usually pretty tame compared to PSU, Nebraska, OSU or the Wolverines, but this chit is hilarious. I was listening to Valenti clips all morning. 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 14, 2023, 12:20:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubhv1dZQBTs
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Temp430 on September 14, 2023, 06:59:28 AM
Michigan RB coach Mike Hart?  He was also OC at Indiana a few years ago. /s
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 14, 2023, 07:55:01 AM
ELKO name comes up alot. Mike Tressel Jim's nephew,Candle from Toledo has done a decent job.Maybe even Nadduzzi hope they land some one decent,the BIG was fun when they/UW/PSU and the rest are good
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 14, 2023, 09:10:44 AM
Michigan RB coach Mike Hart?  He was also OC at Indiana a few years ago.
No. They need a guy who has been a head coach. MSU isn’t Indiana. It’s actually a pretty good job. They don’t need to hire a learning on the job guy. 

They need to just go out and find a good coach. Forget about the sizzle, go for substance. Don’t hire some guy who talks a big game but had nothing to show for it with a 5-7 career record. They need to find someone like Dantonio. Hard nosed, no nonsense, full of football substance. A real coach. Basically the complete opposite of the dumbass fraud they just fired. Harder said than done- because it’s really hard to find a good coach. 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Temp430 on September 14, 2023, 09:27:30 AM
It was sarcasm
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on September 14, 2023, 10:47:39 AM
Well, Clay Travis is backing Mel, so he should be toast

And now Clay’s conservative buddy from the Daily Wire is featuring the Mel Tuggy fallout on his national radio hour:

“Michigan State locked in with a NINETY-FIVE million dollar contract, which by the way is already insane that universities have this kind of money to spend on football coaches… NINETY-FIVE million dollars for a football coach…so they locked in for this contract based on one good season…his other seasons have not been that good so now they could potentially salvage most of that money if they fire him with cause for sexual harassment…”

“…it’s been shown through phone records that Tracy and Tucker had 27 phone calls that all averaged about thirty minutes…I certainly cannot image a situation where it would be appropriate to have 27 thirty minute phone calls often late at night with a married man…”

“…there’s really no one to root for, right? You’ve got Michigan State giving this insane contract to this guy. Then using this claim to get out of it. You’ve got Tucker who at best is a married man with children having phone sex with some other women…he’s doing this after getting a ninety-five million dollar contract…SO IT'S JUST SO UTTERLY TREACHEROUS AND RECKLESS AND STUPID BEHAVIOR by Tucker. And then you’ve got Tracy who at best chose to stay on the phone for apparently thirty-six minutes while a guy masturbates rather than just HANGING UP THE DAMNED PHONE! It didn’t occur to hear that she could hang up?”

Full Matt Walsh Reaction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4ne8czNI1w
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 14, 2023, 11:28:07 AM
Well, Clay Travis is backing Mel, so he should be toast
:D Testify ELA Testify
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 14, 2023, 11:42:21 AM
And now Clay’s conservative buddy from the Daily Wire is featuring the Mel Tuggy fallout on his national radio hour:


“…there’s really no one to root for, right? You’ve got Michigan State giving this insane contract to this guy. Then using this claim to get out of it. 

That's absolutely horseshit,he gave the university a kick in the cajones .Imagine Mel shows up at his house to recruit his kid good luck with that moving forward. "Ya,hi I'm Mel come play ball with us as we hold the athletes to the highest academic,athletic and moral standards - not the employees of course just the students" The minute he opened his pie hole to the press was the coup de gras. Mel might have got by with the old saying "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 14, 2023, 03:45:03 PM
https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1702396581633294524?s=20
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 14, 2023, 04:30:22 PM
it was obvious Mel Tugg-er was donezo, but MSU has been removing his images from all over the stadium and facilities...

https://twitter.com/chrissolari/status/1701634073033093135?s=20
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on September 14, 2023, 04:59:54 PM
https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1702396581633294524?s=20
It would be the first time MSU made an outside hire without head coaching experience since 1929.  Duffy and Bobby Williams didn't, but were internal promotions, but I like all OC names on that list.  No interest in the old head coaches
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 14, 2023, 06:03:35 PM
Not that I wouldn't be interested if I were MSU but there might be a potential future Huggins type problem with Hartline. 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on September 14, 2023, 07:01:39 PM
It would be the first time MSU made an outside hire without head coaching experience since 1929.  Duffy and Bobby Williams didn't, but were internal promotions, but I like all OC names on that list.  No interest in the old head coaches
Chadwell is only 46 and of that list I would go all in on him. The team will be fun, at least. Unsure if he has some sort of demons in his closet - I was never clear on why bigger programs didn't hire him.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 14, 2023, 09:24:09 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2023/09/14/mel-tucker-paid-amid-sexual-harassment-inquiry-stall-michigan-state/70856165007/

Mel Tucker made millions while he delayed the Michigan State sexual harassment case

The upcoming hearing in the sexual harassment case against Michigan State University football coach Mel Tucker was supposed to have taken place weeks ago.

It was initially planned for the week before the 2023 college football season began. But Tucker and his attorney got it pushed back to early October, emails show – during the team’s bye week.

Tucker is accused of making unwanted sexual comments and masturbating during an April 2022 phone call with Brenda Tracy, a prominent rape survivor and activist he had hired to educate his team about sexual violence prevention. Tucker denied the allegations, saying he and Tracy had consensual “phone sex.”

Michigan State suspended Tucker without pay on Sunday, hours after a USA TODAY investigation revealed the allegations. He earned $750,000 a month until his suspension without pay, his contract shows, meaning he had been paid at least $6 million since the college’s investigation started.


The timing of the hearing, like that of the suspension, is among many questions swirling in the wake of the college’s action.


The outside attorney Michigan State hired to investigate Tracy’s December 2022 Title IX complaint, Rebecca Leitman Veidlinger, completed her investigation on July 25, according to case documents Tracy shared with USA TODAY. A day later, the school’s hearing administrator set the hearing for August 22 and 23.

Tucker’s attorney, Jennifer Belveal, said she was unavailable either of those dates, emails show. The hearing administrator then suggested 10 dates in September, all weekdays.

Only one of those days did not work for Tracy and her attorney, Karen Truszkowski, the emails show. But Tucker and Belveal said they were unavailable for any of the other nine, an Aug. 3 email from the hearing administrator shows.


Tucker and Belveal said they would be available the first week of October – the team’s week off after its first five games. The hearing was ultimately set for Oct. 5 and 6.

A phone call and voicemail to Belveal's cellphone went unreturned. Tucker previously hung up on a reporter who reached him on his cellphone.

Although Michigan State policy says decisions will typically be made in cases within 60 days after the investigation, the hearing officer granted Tucker and Belveal's requests for extensions due to scheduling conflicts and the need for additional time to review the 1,200-page file.

The policy also says investigations will generally be completed within 90 days of the filing of a formal complaint. In Tracy's case, the investigation lasted 216 – largely because Tucker did not meet with the investigator for three months, while he and Belveal tried to stop the investigation.

Delays have long plagued Title IX cases at the East Lansing campus, as they have at universities across the country. At one point during the 2019-20 school year, the average case at Michigan State lasted 361 days from report to resolution – roughly twice as long as its policy dictates. An audit of spring 2022 cases found fewer timeliness issues.


Tucker blasted the school’s investigation in an emailed statement Monday, calling the hearing a “sham” that campus leaders are using to avoid paying him the roughly $80 million remaining on the 10-year contract he signed in November 2021.


“This ‘hearing’ process was obviously designed for student infractions – not to address personal, private acts between adults in which disclosure of the intimate details impact one’s reputation and career,” Tucker wrote. “I have no intention of allowing Ms. Tracy’s character assassination to go unaddressed.”


Tracy responded with a statement of her own, saying that Tucker’s statement was “just more of the same DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender), deflection, victim blaming and lies that I've been dealing with now for months.”

“Coach Tucker has been delaying and trying to stop the investigative process since the beginning,” Tracy said. “He can’t afford to go to a hearing that determines credibility of the participating parties. I believe this statement is his way of getting out of participating in the hearing.”


Like informal court trials, hearings in campus sexual harassment cases are designed to give both parties the opportunity to ask questions of the other and any relevant witnesses before a neutral resolution officer.

They are not a repeat of the fact-finding investigation, in which a separate investigator interviews the parties and their witnesses and examines documentary evidence, such as phone records, emails and text messages. Instead, that investigator summarizes the evidence in a written report, which both parties already have and can reference at the hearing.

Only the parties’ advisors – in this case, their attorneys – are permitted to ask questions at the hearings, which typically take place virtually. They end with a written report from the resolution officer determining whether it is likely that the accused student or employee violated school policy.

Tucker said in his statement Monday that the “ridiculously flawed” hearing will not afford him a chance to explain his case or present substantive evidence of innocence. But Tucker had more than seven months to present evidence during the investigation. Additionally, both sides received the opportunity to argue their cases in writing after a draft of the investigation report was finished, which Tucker and his attorney did.

Tucker also asserted that his case is not being handled under Title IX, a federal law that requires schools to address sexual harassment if it meets certain criteria, such as if the incident took place on campus or in the context of a school program or activity. Michigan State’s policy, however, uses a more expansive definition of sexual harassment, also covering conduct that does not fall under the umbrella of Title IX. It provides virtually the same procedures for both, university spokesperson Dan Olsen told USA TODAY.


Michigan State policy does not require Tucker to answer questions or show up to the hearing, nor can it compel evidence or testimony. Refusal to answer questions cannot be used against him, but it could hurt the resolution officer’s ability to fully understand the facts.


If parties refuse to submit to cross-examination, their prior statements still can be used to assess their credibility. Tucker made numerous statements to Veidlinger that her investigation found were not credible, USA TODAY reported in its investigation. His statement Monday also contradicted his prior statements to the investigator.

In the absence of eyewitnesses or recordings, sexual misconduct cases often boil down to whose account is more credible. Tucker’s contradictory statements could sway the case in Tracy’s favor, said Ann Olivarius, a Title IX attorney who pioneered a landmark 1977 lawsuit that first established sexual harassment as a form of sex discrimination under the law.

Tucker may avoid the hearing if he reaches a settlement with the school first, Olivarius said. But Michigan State should be “very cautious about offering him a payout,” given its history of mishandling sexual abuse allegations against Larry Nassar, the disgraced campus physician serving an effective life sentence in prison. Nassar is accused of sexually assaulting more than 300 women and girls under the guise of medical treatments.


“They should go after this guy,” Olivarius said. “I would never advise them, as counsel with expertise in this area, to pay him off at all. I'd say, ‘Bring it on. Sue us.’”


How did USA TODAY get the story?

Brenda Tracy informed a USA TODAY reporter about the case in May 2023. Tracy had known the reporter since 2017 from his previous coverage of sexual misconduct in sports and disclosed details of the case confidentially.

In late June, Tracy agreed to give USA TODAY exclusive access to the case file to write a story, on the condition that the news organization wait until the case ended to publish it. Letting the process run its course was important to her, she said. But given the case's high-profile nature and the school’s history of mishandling sexual misconduct cases, she said she wanted a back-up plan in case details became public sooner.

USA TODAY agreed not to publish the story until Tracy gave the green light.


"I voluntarily shared documents with USA Today so that my story could be written and published after the conclusion of the school process, but also just in case my name leaked – which it did," she said Wednesday in a statement.


Rumors of sexual harassment allegations against Mel Tucker had circulated for months before USA TODAY's investigation revealed the details for the first time publicly.


In both July and August, Michigan State Title IX officials informed Tracy and her attorney, Karen Truszkowski that local and national media outlets had contacted campus officials asking about sexual harassment claims against Tucker and filed public records requests for documents about the case, emails Tracy shared with USA TODAY show.

Although the school did not comment and denied the requests, citing privacy interests, a deputy Title IX coordinator for Michigan State emailed Tracy and Truszkowski on Aug. 24 warning that a news story could be imminent.


Olsen, the spokeperson, said generally in sexual harassment cases any such notifications made by the school to complainants are also made to respondents.


In early September, USA TODAY Network reporters in Michigan heard Tracy’s name and specific details about the case mentioned in connection with the rumors. They shared the information to USA TODAY without identifying their sources, and USA TODAY relayed the information to Tracy.

Believing someone at Michigan State had leaked her name, Tracy gave USA TODAY consent to publish the story on Sept. 10.

“I did not want to publish my story in the early morning hours last weekend, but I had no choice because someone outed me to the media,” she said Tuesday in a statement. “I am angry that my right to confidentiality has been violated and I hope that those responsible are held accountable.”

Dianne Byrum, who sits on the college’s Board of Trustees, has called for an investigation into the potential leak.


“I am disturbed and outraged by recent reports indicating the name of a claimant in a sexual harassment investigation was intentionally released in an apparent effort to retaliate against her,” Byrum said Wednesday in an emailed statement. “We need to do everything in our power to ensure victims of sexual assault and abuse can come forward without fear or intimidation and have full confidence their identities and private information will be kept confidential.”

Why was Tucker suspended only after the story came out?

Hours after the story was published, Michigan State Interim President Teresa Woodruff and athletic director Alan Haller held a news conference announcing Tucker’s suspension.

They had learned the details of the allegations for the first time from the USA TODAY story, they said. They suspended Tucker without pay until the case ends, later citing his unprofessional behavior as the grounds.

Woodruff, Haller and the Board of Trustees had known that a complaint had been filed against Tucker soon after Tracy filed it in December 2022, but only Haller new Tracy’s identity, Olsen said. The others knew only that the complainant was a third-party vendor, Woodruff said in an interview with the Lansing State Journal. Woodruff learned Tracy was the complainant during a meeting with the university's general counsel in July, she said – the month the investigation was completed.

In Title IX cases, it is best practice to inform supervisors of accused employees about the existence of an investigation against them but to withhold the details, Olivarius said. Ideally, building a firewall between the Title IX office and an accused employee’s supervisors prevents them from tampering with the case.

Had the university suspended Tucker at the onset of the case, it would have drawn significant attention to the case that victims don’t always want. Olivarius, however, believes the school had cause to suspend him at the onset of the case, given that he had acknowledged masturbating on the call, and that Tracy’s business relationship with the school had been established.

"The central fact he has admitted to," Olivarius said. "That’s as black and white as you can get."

Woodruff said the school handled the case properly.

“This morning’s news might sound like the MSU of old. It was not,” Woodruff said. “It is not because an independent, unbiased investigation is and continues to be conducted.”
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on September 14, 2023, 10:11:11 PM
Way to squeeze every last penny on his way out the door
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 15, 2023, 10:58:26 AM
Mel a straight up narcissistic sociopath

https://twitter.com/DarkoStateNews/status/1702681066916450489?s=20
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 15, 2023, 01:01:11 PM
Not that I wouldn't be interested if I were MSU but there might be a potential future Huggins type problem with Hartline.
Huh?
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 15, 2023, 01:09:43 PM
Mel a straight up narcissistic sociopath
Not reading that pukefest novel. Mel's not that URBZ maybe.Mel's an idiot hoping to achieve imbecility I hope his wife cleans him out
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on September 18, 2023, 02:03:08 PM
Mel Tucker made millions while he delayed the Michigan State sexual harassment case

Tucker’s attorney, Jennifer Belveal, said she was unavailable…Tucker and Belveal said they were unavailable for any of the other nine…

In late June, Tracy agreed to give USA TODAY exclusive access to the case file to write a story, on the condition that the news organization wait until the case ended to publish it…USA TODAY agreed not to publish the story until Tracy gave the green light.

In early September, USA TODAY Network reporters in Michigan heard Tracy’s name and specific details about the case mentioned in connection with the rumors. They shared the information to USA TODAY without identifying their sources, and USA TODAY relayed the information to Tracy. Believing someone at Michigan State had leaked her name, Tracy gave USA TODAY consent to publish the story on Sept. 10.

So a Michigan State employee leaked the story directly to reporters at USA Today? So therefore this qualifies as ANOTHER(!) case of sexual assault/harassment in which Michigan State has mishandled?

But holdup…

In defense of Michigan State, how trustworthy is anybody at this point? Notice how carefully Brenda Tracy controlled the story with USA Today, making sure it was only by her green light that this story could release. Making sure her side of the matter was clearly articulated well before release.

Could we put it past Brenda Tracy herself to prompt the story’s early release by USA Today? Keeping in mind she controlled the story’s release? With the justification that this story should’ve already come out by now (late-August) but with Mel Tuggy’s lawyer resorting to delay tactics, why not pull the trigger? (Can’t blame her.)

I am hesitant to believe that somebody inside Michigan State went straight to reporters with such cavalier details. First off, VERY FEW individuals would’ve had the depth of the specific details that were published. Maybe 4 employees? And if half of those are likely legal counsel that rules them out due to legal confidentiality risks.

So, wouldn’t Michigan State know almost right away who the likely leaker was? And any potential leaker would know this too, further deterring any leaks?

And aside from the leak potentially occurring from inside Michigan State, they’ve rightly managed the behind-the-scenes and their public response about as carefully as possible. Ts crossed, Is dotted, so to speak.

After the gymnastics fallout, Michigan State had an immense burden of reputation to make sure this story didn’t leak, and the right safeguards were all in place. Brenda Tracy, on the other hand, did have the motivations and means to prompt this story’s early release. I’m thinking the delay tactics by Mel Tuggy’s Legal Rep pissed off Brenda Tracy.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 18, 2023, 02:07:22 PM
yeah I'd have a hard time imagining the school leaked it. almost thinking there's no way. unless Mel leaked it himself....or someone in his inner circle. but would mel really be that stup....wait nvm.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 18, 2023, 02:09:59 PM
What's nvm?
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 18, 2023, 02:10:25 PM
nevermind....and was making a joke that mel is stupid.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 18, 2023, 02:13:45 PM
https://twitter.com/HopmanMSU/status/1703538679644365298?s=20
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 18, 2023, 02:52:27 PM

nevermind....and was making a joke that mel is stupid.
Got that part, but god if he is that daft he really shouldn't be procreating
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 18, 2023, 03:03:11 PM
Huh?
Ohio State's Brian Hartline admits to drinking ahead of ATV crash on property that left him hospitalized - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/ohio-states-brian-hartline-admits-to-drinking-ahead-of-atv-crash-on-property-that-left-him-hospitalized/#:~:text=Hartline admitted that he was drinking prior to,to determine if any charges should be filed.)
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Riffraft on September 18, 2023, 03:46:22 PM
Ohio State's Brian Hartline admits to drinking ahead of ATV crash on property that left him hospitalized - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/ohio-states-brian-hartline-admits-to-drinking-ahead-of-atv-crash-on-property-that-left-him-hospitalized/#:~:text=Hartline admitted that he was drinking prior to,to determine if any charges should be filed.)
Yes, nobody ever drinks and goes ATVing.  And then it was on his own property.  Bad judgment, maybe?  We don't know if he was intoxicated, but not fireable, illegal, immoral or even newsworthy.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on September 18, 2023, 03:47:40 PM
Mel Tucker fired for cause
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 18, 2023, 03:49:50 PM
Great googley moogley thought it would take longer hope the suits looked it over good
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 18, 2023, 03:51:52 PM
Yes, nobody ever drinks and goes ATVing.  And then it was on his own property.  Bad judgment, maybe?  We don't know if he was intoxicated, but not fireable, illegal, immoral or even newsworthy.
Not saying it was, but it did make news. I was just responding to a post from @medinabuckeye1 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1547) about Hartline maybe being a "Huggins" issue.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 18, 2023, 03:53:06 PM
Mel Tucker fired for cause
That'll free up a lot of coin.

Go get Lance Leipold before it's too late.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on September 18, 2023, 03:54:02 PM
Eh, he'll be 60 next year
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 18, 2023, 03:55:31 PM
Mel Tucker fired for cause
You sure only the Detroit News reporting it and it's behind a paywall - that i've seen
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 18, 2023, 03:57:43 PM
Eh, he'll be 60 next year
He's gotta be grooming someone. Seems to be a "young" 60 too.

Andy Kotelnicki – Kansas Jayhawks (kuathletics.com) (https://kuathletics.com/sports/football/roster/season/2023-24/coach/andy-kotelnicki/)


Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 18, 2023, 03:57:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/cFEijVc.png)

Evidently Tuck's goin'
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 18, 2023, 04:09:00 PM
Yes, nobody ever drinks and goes ATVing.  And then it was on his own property.  Bad judgment, maybe?  We don't know if he was intoxicated, but not fireable, illegal, immoral or even newsworthy.
Please note that in my initial post on this I stated that it wouldn't prevent me from pursuing him if I were MSU.

I'll add that I think there was another "alcohol was involved" type incident with Hartline. 

I'm not saying that Hartline has an alcohol problem. What I would say is that if I were AD at MSU and considering signing him to a multi-million dollar contract, I think it would be negligent of me not to look into it and/or carefully word the contract to protect my employer. 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 18, 2023, 04:20:02 PM
Booger had one DUI 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Abba on September 18, 2023, 04:45:08 PM
Please note that in my initial post on this I stated that it wouldn't prevent me from pursuing him if I were MSU.

I'll add that I think there was another "alcohol was involved" type incident with Hartline.

I'm not saying that Hartline has an alcohol problem. What I would say is that if I were AD at MSU and considering signing him to a multi-million dollar contract, I think it would be negligent of me not to look into it and/or carefully word the contract to protect my employer.
He also strangely abandoned a vehicle on the highway while with the Dolphins in 2010.  Probably was up to no good there.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 18, 2023, 05:01:32 PM
He also strangely abandoned a vehicle on the highway while with the Dolphins in 2010.  Probably was up to no good there.
Could all be random unlucky coincidence but there is enough smoke that I'll stick to:
 if I were AD at MSU and considering signing him to a multi-million dollar contract, I think it would be negligent of me not to look into it and/or carefully word the contract to protect my employer.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 18, 2023, 09:48:15 PM
Hartline's ATV incident isn't going to prevent him from getting the MSU job. His inexperience as an OC/play-caller and his lack of head coaching experience is going to prevent him from that. I think Hartline could be a great head coach some day, he's a proven high level ace recruiter and that's half the job- but he hasn't really cut his teeth yet. He just got the OC job this year and do we really think Ryan Day isn't heavily involved in that offense and play-calling?

MSU is a good job and the school has committed tons of resources to the program. They should be able to find someone that has some more HC or OC experience.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 19, 2023, 07:42:07 AM
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Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on September 19, 2023, 08:00:00 AM
That'll free up a lot of coin.

Go get Lance Leipold before it's too late.
Badge, don’t be giving them good ideas. 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 19, 2023, 08:21:52 AM
Heh. Yeah.

Never mind... He's too old.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on September 19, 2023, 08:42:53 AM
you might want Lance in Madison in a couple years
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on September 20, 2023, 08:52:34 AM
More fun from Valenti summing up what the aftermath of MSU’s blowout loss to Washington says about Mel Tuggy’s four years of program building:

“…Saturday is what FOUR years of building your program looked like. It was a Quarterback who should probably be playing at Central [Michigan] because he’s tiny. It was a MAC level O-line with a million dollar O-line coach. It’s no receivers I care about. It’s a defense where you have a couple of GRIFTERS as coordinators. Jay Johnson’s a BUM and Scottie Hazelton used the same game plan as last year when Michael Pennix murdered us…TWO TOP TWENTY paid coordinators who are straight up GRIFTERS, BAD ACTORS, CON MEN!”

“…What REALLY ANGERED me was losing is fine but you got to put the players in a position to have a chance. Jay Johnson you try to make your quarterback look like a BLEEP HOLE!”

“…Hazelton hit the POWERBALL of coaching because he has now had THREE straight secondaries that rank OUTSIDE the Top 100 in America and he’s still employed. There are no schematic changes, no technique, nothing.”

“…Mel Tucker, for those of you who called him a CON you were right all along because…this is what angered me Saturday…what he built in four years was nothing. It was a complete and utter MIRAGE. Nothing!”

“…EFF Mel Tucker!”

“…Tuck and his two coordinators are ALL TIME GRIFTERS…I’ll apologize to everybody who said it was only Kenneth Walker that did that for you. You were right!”


Jay Johnson and Scottie Hazelton sound AWFUL.

What was the point of increasing the dedicated assistant coaching budget if you were never going to go out and hire better coordinators than the drinking buddies Mel Tuggy brought over from his 5-7 season in Colorado?

Michigan State is lucky to cut themselves clean and clear of Mel Tuggy and his jesters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdnAS3q_Lpw
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 20, 2023, 08:55:07 AM
Ouch.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on September 20, 2023, 09:01:42 AM
Who agreed to give Mel his 10 year $95 million contract?  They should resign or be fired as well.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on September 20, 2023, 09:04:59 AM
Scottie Hazelton wasn't with him at Colorado, he had been part of Bohl/Kliemann at NDSU, Wyoming, Kansas State.  That was the one hire I liked, never liked Johnson.

He hasn't worked.

At all
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 20, 2023, 09:37:03 AM
Who agreed to give Mel his 10 year $95 million contract?  They should resign or be fired as well.
that contract was always nuts. Kenneth Walker III got him that money. If I'm KWIII, I'm suing Mel right now for getting fired with cause and not giving him a commission on that $80 mil Mel was owed plus the $15 m's they already paid.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 20, 2023, 09:59:08 AM
he might be too young and inexperienced, but more I am actually starting to think about it Brian Hartline might make a ton of sense. He is as good of a recruiter as there is in the entire country, definitely way up in that upper tier and he knows the B1G extremely well. 

it's a bit risky, but the upside is really high, plus he's not geriatric like some of the others mentioned in this thread. he'll be able to land highly rated QBs, RBs, and WRs- for sure. Building out the staff, game-day management, player development, dealing with donors/NIL, managing a roster and the portal- no way to have a real clue on that bc he's never done any of it. But if the single most important part is recruiting- well he'll nail that out of the freaking park. 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 20, 2023, 10:08:05 AM
Sean Lewis - OC at Colorado. Former Kent State HC. Played for King Barry, and like Tucker, would be another former Badger player plucked away from Colorado.

Any more appetite for that?
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 20, 2023, 10:13:51 AM
Sean Lewis - OC at Colorado. Former Kent State HC. Played for King Barry, and like Tucker, would be another former Badger player plucked away from Colorado.

Any more appetite for that?
that would be a god awful hire, much like Mel was. he's a sub. 500 coach at Kent State in 5 years and never had a winning season. He left Kent State after going 5-7 last year to go ride Deion and his kids coattails instead of sticking around and getting fired.

the only thing he's proven is that he's not a very good head coach. and like Mel, he's a sub .500 coach that doesn't know the B1G and flat out won't be able to recruit at a high level.

I'd much rather hire the geriatric proven head coach if I'm MSU (Leopold) or take a chance on a young fresh coach that knows the league inside and out and can recruit his ass off with major upside like Hartline.

Might as well blow up the god damn program if they hire Sean Lewis.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on September 20, 2023, 10:23:02 AM
I like Sean Lewis a lot more than a lot of other coaches named.  Certainly not #1, but probably top 5.  Him and Hartline are the only non-HCs I'd consider.

He had a pair of .500 seasons, making him the first head coach to do that at Kent State since Dennis Fitzgerald in 1976 and 1977.  They were .500 4 times in the next 40 years.

I'm not saying he's great, but I would judge him more against the standard at Kent State.  I'm more concerned that the Golden Flashes were picked to finish dead last in the MAC this year, which doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in his roster building.  Granted I know Penn State poached their best player through the portal.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: LittlePig on September 20, 2023, 10:25:41 AM
He is probably too old now, but I always thought Phil Parker would make a good head coach for MSU.  Former all Big Ten DB for MSU, now the DC for Iowa. 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on September 20, 2023, 10:27:07 AM
Mike Bobo ...:)
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 20, 2023, 10:44:38 AM
I like Sean Lewis a lot more than a lot of other coaches named.  Certainly not #1, but probably top 5.  Him and Hartline are the only non-HCs I'd consider.

He had a pair of .500 seasons, making him the first head coach to do that at Kent State since Dennis Fitzgerald in 1976 and 1977.  They were .500 4 times in the next 40 years.

I'm not saying he's great, but I would judge him more against the standard at Kent State.  I'm more concerned that the Golden Flashes were picked to finish dead last in the MAC this year, which doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in his roster building.  Granted I know Penn State poached their best player through the portal.
yeah, I don't know. I feel like Michigan State should be able to do A LOT better than Sean Lewis. He should be nowhere near the top 5 imo. I'm not hiring a small ball coach if I'm MSU unless said dude won vs the small ball. Think: Urban Meyer. Think: Brian Kelly. Think: Jim Tressel. Sub .500 in the MAC ain't good enough. If he can't flip that situation in 5 years in the minors and have them winning 9-10 games in a season at least once and winning that conference at least once- what makes anyone think he can do it when he steps up to the big leagues where it's just going to be WAY harder to do. He's going to have go up against USC, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Nebraska, Oregon, Washington, UCLA for recruits and trying to beat them on the field- not Toledo, Akron, Buffalo, and Ball State.

Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 20, 2023, 11:00:36 AM
yeah, I don't know. I feel like Michigan State should be able to do A LOT better than Sean Lewis. He should be nowhere near the top 5 imo. I'm not hiring a small ball coach if I'm MSU unless said dude won vs the small ball. Think: Urban Meyer. Think: Brian Kelly. Think: Jim Tressel. Sub .500 in the MAC ain't good enough. If he can't flip that situation in 5 years in the minors and have them winning 9-10 games in a season at least once and winning that conference at least once- what makes anyone think he can do it when he steps up to the big leagues where it's just going to be WAY harder to do. He's going to have go up against USC, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Nebraska, Oregon, Washington, UCLA for recruits and trying to beat them on the field- not Toledo, Akron, Buffalo, and Ball State.
Yeah, if you're gonna get a Kent State guy, probably better to get the guy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darrell_Hazell) who took them from 5-7 (4-4) to 11-3 (8-0) in only two years. 

I hear he's available, too. 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on September 20, 2023, 11:03:58 AM
He is probably too old now, but I always thought Phil Parker would make a good head coach for MSU.  Former all Big Ten DB for MSU, now the DC for Iowa.
He's 60 with zero head coaching experience.  Also, his dad was DC at MSU under Perles, and there were always rumors that there was some bad blood there, in the way that staff was pushed out.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on September 20, 2023, 11:04:53 AM
If you are going to look to the MAC, hiring the guy who just has everything lined up for one great season, seems to be a proven failure. The EMU coach has actually built that into a respectable program, from what was arguably the worst FBS program in the country
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 20, 2023, 11:17:02 AM
If you are going to look to the MAC, hiring the guy who just has everything lined up for one great season, seems to be a proven failure. The EMU coach has actually built that into a respectable program, from what was arguably the worst FBS program in the country
Sounds a little like Leipold.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on September 20, 2023, 12:37:21 PM
Sounds a little like Leipold.
Yes, but 6 years younger, however no P5 experience
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 20, 2023, 01:00:58 PM
He's going to have go up against USC, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Nebraska, Oregon, Washington, UCLA for recruits


Don't sleep on UW recruiting. If you look at the average STARZ rating, you'll see that UW is closer to UM and PSU than UM and PSU are to OSU.

UW is also ahead of UNL, Washington and UCLA.


(https://i.imgur.com/pJsj2Oz.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/YmIhZbj.png)
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on September 20, 2023, 01:10:02 PM
By average stars, MSU is right there too.  They just only have 13 guys, and it likely drops
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 20, 2023, 09:28:05 PM
Dang, the rest of the conference has a goose egg on those five stars. 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on September 20, 2023, 11:32:42 PM
OSU should be ashamed if they drop a conference game 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 21, 2023, 01:23:48 AM
Dang, the rest of the conference has a goose egg on those five stars.
Dang, the SEC has our five*star guys spread out among 10 schools.

B1G lacks depth.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on September 21, 2023, 05:21:30 AM
Well, Clay Travis is backing Mel, so he should be toast

Clay Travis defense of Mel Tuggy continues into this week - wonder if he knows about the “moral turpitude” cause(?):

(https://i.imgur.com/yvyOuYQ.jpg)

Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 21, 2023, 08:07:24 AM
Dang, the SEC has our five*star guys spread out among 10 schools.

B1G lacks depth.
I just looked at the 2024 rankings. All but 7 of the 32 5* players are located in the SEC footprint.

OSU has a commit from the only two 5* kids in the B1G footprint.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 21, 2023, 08:19:27 AM
Clay Travis defense of Mel Tuggy continues into this week - wonder if he knows about the “moral turpitude” cause(?):
So much BS - so Clay has done investigations and taught harrassment seminars - sure he has, of course.Perhaps the slappie should take pre law and look up moral clauses in employment contracts. Don't be talking dirty and tossing off to the sexual harrassment education lady while on the phone - then admitting it to the USA Today. This loon would be a boon to any PR department,SMDH

Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on September 26, 2023, 05:49:35 PM
One of the podcasts I was listening to today, forget which one, mentioned how much more attractive the job is now, than when Dantonio retired.  MSU's place in the national landscape has not changed, it's somewhere between the #20 and #30 best program.  But in 2020, that still made it the 4th best program within its own division, among five P5 conferences, with a 4 team playoff.  Now it's the same nationally, but it's just one of 40ish schools in one of the two (not 5) marquee conferences, no more or less encumbered by OSU, UM and PSU than any other Big Ten school, with a 12 team playoff.  Instead of having to be better than all 3 of them, like Dantonio had to be, you could be the 3rd best of those 4, and still make the playoff depending on the scenario
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on September 26, 2023, 08:38:52 PM
I think my clear cut top 3, in no particular order are the Duke, WSU, and Marshall head coaches 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on September 27, 2023, 12:21:23 PM
Mel Tucker is officially fired within the last few minutes.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/2023/09/27/michigan-state-university-fires-head-football-coach-mel-tucker/70968384007/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/2023/09/27/michigan-state-university-fires-head-football-coach-mel-tucker/70968384007/)
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on September 27, 2023, 03:06:45 PM
(https://y.yarn.co/81014b9f-3221-4bbb-b9db-6bc458d837c8_text.gif)
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on September 27, 2023, 03:07:23 PM
Mel Tucker is officially fired within the last few minutes.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/2023/09/27/michigan-state-university-fires-head-football-coach-mel-tucker/70968384007/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/2023/09/27/michigan-state-university-fires-head-football-coach-mel-tucker/70968384007/)
Mel goin, because Mel was comin
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on September 27, 2023, 09:53:08 PM
https://twitter.com/mattymehhh/status/1707185980950651037?t=5EE_1j8BsVso4JLh2NpayQ&s=19
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on September 28, 2023, 11:08:44 AM
Mel Tucker is officially fired within the last few minutes.

Michigan State's admins took the unorthodox approach of texting Mel Tuggy notification of his firing to save themselves the risk of breaking it to him with a more formal call or video conference because Mel Tuggy is known to take calls with his pants off.

Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 28, 2023, 08:45:29 PM
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1707537168665563165?s=20

https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/status/1707528185934496129?s=20
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on September 28, 2023, 08:56:19 PM
I like how the sources are just various coach's agents, trying to get their guy a raise, or the MSU job.  I mean the names mostly make sense, but the fact that the lists aren't consistent let's you know who the source is
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 29, 2023, 09:04:23 PM
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1707539684736528438?s=20
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on September 30, 2023, 03:50:50 PM
LOL

https://twitter.com/msucontent/status/1708138408114082089?s=20
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on October 01, 2023, 10:05:51 AM
would Joey Freshwater take the job? Bc I think I'd offer him a bag that Ole Miss can't match if I was Sparty AD.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 01, 2023, 04:07:08 PM
https://twitter.com/john_kirby/status/1708460717572059516?s=20
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on October 02, 2023, 12:46:05 PM
professor at MSU caught running a meth lab. real life Breaking Bad. wtf in that water in EL?


https://statenews.com/article/2023/09/msu-instructor-on-leave-after-students-discover-meth-lab-arrest
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 02, 2023, 12:52:17 PM
professor at MSU caught running a meth lab. real life Breaking Bad. wtf in that water in EL?


https://statenews.com/article/2023/09/msu-instructor-on-leave-after-students-discover-meth-lab-arrest
Well, he was arrested for it 3 years ago, when he was a professor at Nicholls State.  MSU just failed to discover it in their background check...which checks out for them
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on October 03, 2023, 08:50:17 AM
Sparty AD apparently feeling out Urbz. 

Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 04, 2023, 08:10:17 AM
https://twitter.com/Wil__Hunter/status/1709361454363652523?t=fbKe1Rkb6CJjg6h5FoEysQ&s=19
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on October 04, 2023, 09:33:00 AM
Caption this:

(https://i.imgur.com/ekO1DSd.png)

“What I would’ve blown ninety five million on…”

“Not Her!”

*sustained mutual laughter*
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on October 05, 2023, 10:30:03 AM
whaddya know...Mel is too sick to participate in his hearing with the school and Brenda Tracy....must've tugged a little too hard when he was rubbing one out over the phone and sprained his wrist...

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/spartans/2023/10/05/mel-tucker-wont-participate-in-hearing-ex-msu-coachs-lawyers-share-new-key-evidence/71068891007/
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 05, 2023, 10:36:04 AM
https://twitter.com/msupeach/status/1709928043245076773?t=uc7XBttIFIaKrnvU3xyzAA&s=19
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on October 05, 2023, 11:21:20 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/sOpI8jX.png)

"A Campus Sexual Assault Survivor Advocate? Now that's a mouthful."

"Or if you're Coach Mel, a handful!"

*sustained mutual laughter*


Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 06, 2023, 10:37:14 AM
The Jacksonville State coach has them 5-1 in their first FBS season
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on October 06, 2023, 10:43:08 AM
(https://www.jsu.edu/news/images/Rich_Rod.jpg)
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 06, 2023, 09:56:22 PM
I mean, the math lines up

https://twitter.com/JayCuda/status/1710380770538188968?t=E1_l2M4HsETTGv6koqZ5mg&s=19
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on October 07, 2023, 07:52:05 AM
would Urban take that job though? he seems like the type of coach who would only take a job that he'd be able to win a natty at. he passed up on his "dream job" of Notre Dame for Florida because of that precise reason.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 07, 2023, 01:42:11 PM
Urban on the rise is different than Urban needing image rehab.  To be honest, I'm not even sure how good the hire would be, image issues aside. He probably can't treat players the way he did previously, and Tucker found out that it doesn't matter how good of a recruiter you are, when certain schools are always going to blow you away with their NIL budget

But don't get me wrong, I 100% want it, just out of curiosity
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on October 07, 2023, 07:31:56 PM
hey would be fascinating to see Urbs back in the B1G especially when he has to play vs Ohio State.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on October 09, 2023, 09:46:27 AM
...Mel is too sick to participate in his hearing with the school and Brenda Tracy....
 
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/spartans/2023/10/05/mel-tucker-wont-participate-in-hearing-ex-msu-coachs-lawyers-share-new-key-evidence/71068891007/

Detroit News: Tucker won't participate, nor will his legal team, which said it's "prohibited" because of Tucker's "serious medical condition (http://"https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/spartans/2023/10/05/mel-tucker-wont-participate-in-hearing-ex-msu-coachs-lawyers-share-new-key-evidence/71068891007/")," the details of which have not been disclosed.

(https://i.imgur.com/cuOnNdf.png)

“A serious medical condition?? What serious medical condition?!”

“Tugginnitus!”

*sustained mutual laughter*
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 10, 2023, 08:01:51 AM
Michigan State HC Candidates: Hot Board 2.0 (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/michigan-state/board/93/Contents/michigan-state-hc-candidates-hot-board-20-217037281/?page=60#M217790151)
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on October 11, 2023, 01:21:24 PM
Well, Clay Travis is backing Mel, so he should be toast

Still digging in his heels, from his radio show last Friday:

“This story on its face doesn’t make sense. You can’t have a 36 minute phone call, claim that you couldn’t hang up and then retroactively say you didn’t consent and demand that the head football coach get fired.”

“What really happened I think is she wanted a serious relationship…he decided to cut it off. She went Fatal Attraction and turned him in and tried to make him pay.”

“This was put out in the hearing yesterday: Brenda Tracy tried to delete all of her text messages. Her assistant died in a car accident and at the hospital she was asking whether she could get access to her assistant’s text messages and the family thought it was super weird. And now we know why.”

In texts to her assistant, Brenda Tracy “talked about how much money Mel Tucker had…She then texted ‘I’m filing a formal complaint with Michigan State. My lawyer said after that we can let him know we want to come to an agreement.’ So she’s looking for money literally in her own text message to her assistant…the only reason we have access to these messages is because her assistant who died hadn’t cleansed her devices.”

“One week before she filed her complaint against Tucker demanding money she admitted she was down to the final five dollars in her checking account.”

Reading from Mel Tucker’s letter submitted at the hearing: “In connection with realizing that she was supposed to be paying down 2018 taxes, she owed money to the IRS, and was not caught up in other years. She said to her assistant ‘having the IRS after me in a way that it’s known publicly surely won’t help my lawsuit.’ She admitted in writing that she engages in ‘professional crying when I share my story.’”

“…That is her business, she goes on and talks about her life as a sexual assault victim. She then said that she was in dire straits financially and said that her priority is a face lift and filming myself.”

From an affidavit submitted by the dead assistant’s family regarding Brenda Tracy’s behavior at the hospital: “Brenda Tracy stated…I need to call my therapist because I don’t feel supported right now.’ Can you imagine being in the hospital with someone dying? Your assistant is dying and you say in front of her family, ‘I need to call my therapist because I don’t feel supported right now.’ This chick is crazy and yet her story was accepted as 100% truth.”

“She claims she is a victim because her name came out…her own text messages show that she was regularly texting reporters at USA Today and ESPN, tipping them off and asking them to write favorable stories about her being a victim of non-consensual phone sex.”

“Mel Tucker got railroaded by what appears to be a lying woman who was seeking his money by her own words from her own text messages. How does this happen? It’s the incentive structure we have created. And some of you might be saying I don’t care about Mel Tucker. Do you care about Trevor Bauer? …Women should be furious about this and sexual assault survivors should be the most angry because when a woman lies for money, as has happened this week with Trevor Bauer and Mel Tucker. Just this week alone two different sexual assault accusers have been proven to be 100% liars…they actually make it harder for true victims to come forward.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvSFGZz4pwQ
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 11, 2023, 02:48:58 PM
What a mess of a situation.

MSU is gonna pay that buyout, it seems.
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on October 20, 2023, 12:16:03 PM
https://twitter.com/CFBONFOX/status/1715050183321628946
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 20, 2023, 01:08:53 PM
Arkansas.  I picked them over Clanga tomorrow. 

Vanerbilt is off this week.

Indiana has Rutgers.....no.
Virginia has UNC.....neaux.
UCF has Oklahoma....lolz, no.
Mich. St. has Mich.....I'll take 'no' for $500, Alex.
ASU has Washington.....hellz no. 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 20, 2023, 01:11:13 PM
Indiana and MSU unfortunately don't play until the 2nd to last week of the season.  Guessing Gameday will be there
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 21, 2023, 04:18:13 PM
Arkansas.  I picked them over Clanga tomorrow. 

Vanerbilt is off this week.

Indiana has Rutgers.....no.
Virginia has UNC.....neaux.
UCF has Oklahoma....lolz, no.
Mich. St. has Mich.....I'll take 'no' for $500, Alex.
ASU has Washington.....hellz no.

Sigh....this is why I don't gamble. 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on October 22, 2023, 11:02:42 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/gGkwDnV.png)


“Nothing worse on a scoreboard than posting a zero.”

“But I can think of SOMEONE worse to post on a scoreboard.”

*sustained mutual laughter*

Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 25, 2023, 04:54:21 PM
https://twitter.com/chrissolari/status/1717277054431809929?t=Tgg_JgajAnPkS39oqtb27g&s=19
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 29, 2023, 12:26:20 AM
The other thing is that I watch Indiana give PSU a game, Stanford give Washington a game, Central Florida give Oklahoma a game, etc. I know losing games to mediocre teams like Rutgers, Iowa, Maryland, Minnesota, is frustrating. But what makes me fine with losing whatever kids we lose in the portal, is that we are so inept across the board that I don't even see how we would compete with top teams, like every other P5 team seemingly does at least once a year.  This team is going to get absolutely blasted by all four ranked teams we play this year
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on October 29, 2023, 08:01:26 AM
I'm just hopin for a win next saturday
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 01, 2023, 10:59:15 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/g335uib.jpg)


“Sunglasses during a night game? I don’t trust the new assistant.”

”Maybe he don’t want to see what’s happening on the field.”

“Maybe it’s a sign?”



Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on November 03, 2023, 01:50:09 PM
I'm just hopin for a win next saturday
Nebraska 24-16
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 03, 2023, 07:21:51 PM
I look for a lower scoring game
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on November 08, 2023, 10:11:59 PM
Rumors that MSU interviewed Leipold yesterday, but he's committed to finishing his career at Kansas, and was just trying to nudge some boosters in the football direction 
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on November 22, 2023, 12:41:46 PM
Sounds like its Jonathan Smith's job if he wants it
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 22, 2023, 01:20:51 PM
That would be a good pick up Beavs beat Utah,UCLA & Prime, 2 losses by 3pts to No.15 AZ and No.21 Cougs and one by 2pts to No 5 Washington last week.So all 3 ranked and by 3 or less - guy can evidently coach
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on November 24, 2023, 09:43:31 PM
https://twitter.com/JasonKirk_fyi/status/1728222681701531903?t=e9NX-xIGTRvZ3kUNpz720Q&s=19
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 25, 2023, 01:55:14 PM
Smith to MSU. Good coach. Can he recruit the Midwest?
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on November 25, 2023, 01:56:36 PM
Smith to MSU. Good coach. Can he recruit the Midwest?
Oregon is now the Big Ten footprint.

He became my top choice as this went on, but the track record of Oregon State coaches to the Big Ten ain't great
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 25, 2023, 02:15:59 PM
Oregon is now the Big Ten footprint.

He became my top choice as this went on, but the track record of Oregon State coaches to the Big Ten ain't great
law of averages
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on November 26, 2023, 12:47:06 PM
Sounds like TE coach Brian Wozniak is coming with him.  Ohio guy, played at Wisconsin, was a captain his senior year.  Young guy, but rising quickly.  Sounds like he can actually coach
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on November 26, 2023, 12:49:57 PM
law of averages
This is a common phrase, I'm not always sure what is meant by it, regression to the mean?
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on November 27, 2023, 03:34:43 PM
3 players entered the portal today.

OT Spencer Brown - always looked the part, never lived up to it.  He announced prior to the PSU game it was his last.  I think he probably winds up in the Draft

OLB Darius Snow - suffered a catastrophic knee injury in the opener last year, that it took him 13 months to "come back" from.  He graduated in 3 years, and sounds like he will wrap up a masters this year.  He was one of the top 3 players on the defense prior to injury.  Post injury, he was one of the worst players on a bad defense.  Guessing he is looking to transfer down so he can play

QB Katin Houser - I knew we were never keeping both, and I liked Leavitt's film better, but still was hoping to keep him.  I think he was overrated as a recruit, but I think he would be a solid junior-senior QB, as unrealstic as that is now
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 27, 2023, 04:08:50 PM
Did you mean to lock this thread, @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) ?
Title: Re: 2023 Michigan State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on November 27, 2023, 04:19:08 PM
Yeah, started the new one