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Title: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2022, 02:11:23 PM
Link to 2022 thread: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread (cfb51.com) (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/2022-wisconsin-offseason-thread/)

Schedule is manageable for the first-year head coach. If they can find a QB and a decent pass rush it could be a really nice season.

(https://i.imgur.com/vHmkPF0.png)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on December 31, 2022, 02:25:09 AM
A weak nonconference schedule combined with Rutgers, Indiana, and Ohio State in cross-over games. Should go 3-0 nonconference, and 2-1 cross-over, and the remaining schedule with the west is manageable but not fully defeatable. At 5 - 1, without reference to division games, is a big advantage.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 31, 2022, 08:27:23 AM
They really should win 10 games next year, but I say that every year because that's the expectation for the program. Hopefully CLF can meet or exceed that expectation.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on December 31, 2022, 08:47:21 AM
Link to 2022 thread: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread (cfb51.com) (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/2022-wisconsin-offseason-thread/)

Schedule is manageable for the first-year head coach. If they can find a QB and a decent pass rush it could be a really nice season.

(https://i.imgur.com/vHmkPF0.png)
Well. They found a QB.

Interesting arc in our multiple moves kind of world. He stuck with Oklahoma for three years, until it became very clear that wasn’t gonna happen. Then he made a smart choice to drop down a level, but with a really excellent offensive coach. And now he is trying the highest level again, again with a very smart offensive coach.

We talk a lot about Wisconsin recruiting smart kids, and this guy has some of the best career since I’ve seen. Also six years to play.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 04, 2023, 04:36:19 PM
Luke Fickell’s staff continues to come together at Wisconsin. The Badgers are hiring Minnesota co-defensive coordinator Paul Haynes, On3’s Matt Zenitz reported Wednesday.

Haynes just wrapped up his first season as the Golden Gophers’ co-defensive coordinator after spending the previous two years as cornerbacks coach — a role he also held this past year. Prior to his time in the Twin Cities, Haynes worked as the defensive backs coach at Michigan State from 2017-18 following a four-year stint as Kent State head coach from 2013-17.

He also worked alongside Fickell as the defensive backs coach at Ohio State from 2005-10 before one year as co-defensive coordinator in 2011 when the latter moved up to interim head coach that year. Now, the two will reunite in Madison as Fickell takes over the program.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MikeDeTiger on January 04, 2023, 04:44:59 PM
Does Georgia Southern still run the triple option? 

That is not the gimme-game I want to see with one week to prepare.  
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 04, 2023, 04:53:10 PM
they threw the ball for over 400 yards vs Nebraska last fall
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Badger1969 on January 06, 2023, 05:41:54 PM
Wisconsin alternate black uniform suggestion.  Personally I think the helmet W should be white and not silver or red with a white shadow around it.
(https://i.imgur.com/vg2H6KG.jpg)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 06, 2023, 08:57:03 PM
Does Georgia Southern still run the triple option? 

That is not the gimme-game I want to see with one week to prepare. 
They went to a spread when they hired USC's old coach. Threw for 4,250 yards.

It's interesting, they didn't get real body bad mid-majors. Neither GSU nor Buffalo were contenders last year, but their in the range of solid last year, potentially dangerous. 

WSU was just a solid Pac-12 team. Who knows what they bring next year.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 12, 2023, 11:23:39 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/RTIBDvs.png)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 12, 2023, 04:49:52 PM
And now CJ Williams, too. Not a bad trip to the portal for this new coaching crew.

Braelon Allen on Twitter:
"Not gonna miss those 9 man boxes"
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 13, 2023, 09:07:35 AM
he might miss some carries
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 13, 2023, 10:21:00 AM
he might miss some carries
But catch some passes.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 13, 2023, 12:55:42 PM
he'll be ready for the NFL
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 13, 2023, 02:16:23 PM
he might miss some carries
If that’s the case, boo-hoo I guess
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 13, 2023, 03:00:57 PM
he might transfer
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 14, 2023, 01:27:05 PM
Jim Leonhard supposedly in the running for Bama's DC
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 14, 2023, 01:54:21 PM
Jim Leonhard supposedly in the running for Bama's DC
He was two years ago
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on January 23, 2023, 01:01:59 AM
OT: Wisconsin wrestling went 5-5 in matches against Iowa and was tied 18-18 at the end, but there are no or few ties in dual meets. Iowa added one point to get to 19-18, on the 3rd criteria - total match points in matches not involving falls. It was a great effort by the 13th ranked Badgers.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 23, 2023, 08:32:27 AM
I don't follow wrestling but it's good to see that they are competitive.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 23, 2023, 08:52:47 AM
Jim Leonhard supposedly in the running for Bama's DC
He would deserve it
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 23, 2023, 09:02:44 AM
The 11 man on-field coaching staff is now complete. Last two stops in parentheses. 

HC Luke Fickel (Cincy/OSU)
DC/ILB Mike Tressel (Cincy/MSU)
OC/QB Phil Longo (UNC/Ole Mrs.)
AHC/WR Mike Brown (Cincy/Liberty)
OL Jack Bicknell (UNC/L'ville)
PGC/TE Gino Guidugli (Cincy/CMU)
CB Paul Haynes (Minnesota/MSU)
S Colin Hitschler (Cincy/S AL)
DL Greg Scruggs (NY Jets/Cincy)
RB Devon Spalding (YSU/Cincy)
ST/OLB Matt Mitchell (HC Grand Valley)

The last two are not listed on the UW website yet but have been hired. Probably working out the contracts still.

Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 23, 2023, 09:03:15 AM
He would deserve it
I think he's gonna sit this one out. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 25, 2023, 05:39:44 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/UnEDZe8.png)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 26, 2023, 04:21:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/UnEDZe8.png)
I wrote this elsewhere, but a new guy at the top of most monstrous person I've ever met. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 26, 2023, 04:27:59 PM
You met him in school?

I never did meet the guy. Past my time in Madison.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 30, 2023, 08:36:09 AM
You met him in school?

I never did meet the guy. Past my time in Madison.
Yeah, just one conversation. Talked to him after he was injured in one of those offseasons when it was like he might actually be a receiver who mattered.

seems nice enough. But I suppose people often don’t show the kind of darkness they are capable of.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 03, 2023, 06:55:55 AM
This is in Times Square. Every early enrollee and transfer was spotlighted. This was an effort by UW's Varsity Collective.

Newspapers from all over the country picked up it. UW just signed a kid from Naples, FL and this was in their newspaper. Same with the kid they got from Jacksonville, FL. 

This is a big deal.

(https://i.imgur.com/2uEbZyG.png)

Big Cat on Twitter: "Big signing day for ⁦@BadgerFootball⁩. Fickell building a MONSTER https://t.co/05S9vDecHV" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/BarstoolBigCat/status/1620819295222603776?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1620819295222603776|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 03, 2023, 07:29:44 AM
Wisconsin football recruits featured in Times Square billboard (usatoday.com) (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/uw/2023/02/01/wisconsin-badgers-football-recruits-featured-times-square-billboard-varsity-collective-new-york-city/69859704007/)


This weekend, the collective will have electronic billboards for each player, in their home towns. Billboards all over the country.


The energy coming out of Madison is like nothing I've seen since King Barry walked in the door.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on February 03, 2023, 02:09:05 PM
Fickell is going to make Wisconsin really good, really fast. I think Wisconsin and USC are going to dominate the West if they keep the East/West divisions. Sorry 'Brasky. Matt Rhule just ain't it imo. Should've hired Deion.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 03, 2023, 02:26:49 PM
I'm starting to believe. Very exciting times.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 03, 2023, 02:56:52 PM
don't sip the Kool-Aid

drink it!
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 05, 2023, 10:58:13 AM
Not really a replacement on staff if CLF were to leave for, say, Ohio State someday.


(https://i.imgur.com/RwWpUMp.png)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on February 05, 2023, 11:39:55 AM
Not really a replacement on staff if CLF were to leave for, say, Ohio State someday.


(https://i.imgur.com/RwWpUMp.png)
Fire Mac and apologize to Jimmy.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 05, 2023, 12:00:27 PM
Mac has a job for life if he can fix hockey. I don't think JL is ever coming back with Mac in place.

Mac is 45 years old. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2023, 09:08:50 AM
Lots of moving parts here, but the kid was told he would have a chance to compete - but this was before the staff brought in Tanner Mordecai from SMU. Wolf was then told that the SMU kid would be the starter.

MADISON, Wis. — Wisconsin quarterback Chase Wolf (https://theathletic.com/college-football/player/chase-wolf-uFnhKUmUGd37S7p0/), who announced in December after the team’s bowl game that he would return for a sixth season, is no longer with the program or enrolled in school, The Athletic has learned.

Wolf previously decided to come back and pursue a master’s degree in Real Estate & Urban Land Economics after conversations with Wisconsin coach Luke Fickell and offensive coordinator Phil Longo. According to a source with direct knowledge of the situation, the Badgers’ new coaching staff initially told Wolf that it intended to bring in two or three transfer quarterbacks in an attempt to add depth and upgrade the position but that Wolf would have an opportunity to compete for the starting job.

...

“The only thing he wanted to do was compete,” the source said. “That’s all he wanted to do. He didn’t want to be offered the job. He didn’t say, ‘I want to be the starter.’ He may have never been the starter. But they told him he’s not going to be able to compete because they’ve already named a starter.

“He was only going to come back and play because he liked Fickell and he thought Fickell would give him an opportunity. And it was the direct opposite.”


Fickell declined to comment Monday through a team spokesperson. Wolf declined to comment when reached via text message.


...



Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2023, 09:24:03 AM
so, they promised the SMU kid to get him to come
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2023, 09:49:37 AM
I don't believe that to be the case. They know what they had. Once the SMU kid came, Wolfe (and the others) had no chance to start.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2023, 10:00:08 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/dicTeX6.jpg)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 10, 2023, 05:46:36 AM
One of the best, ever, and never got to a playoff game.

Joe Thomas named 1st-ballot Pro Football Hall of Famer (clevelandbrowns.com) (https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/joe-thomas-named-first-ballot-pro-football-hall-of-famer)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 15, 2023, 03:28:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/MCHPrnU.png)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on February 15, 2023, 03:28:50 PM
That’s too bad, but understandable 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 15, 2023, 03:30:59 PM
Must have REALLY wanted to coach QB's, I guess.

At UW he was TE/passing game coordinator. I thought he would be the next OC if Longo left for a HC position, or OC at a helmet.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on February 16, 2023, 01:24:27 AM
Brian Ferentz coached tight ends for the New England Patriots a couple years, and the Patriots had a good TE. 
A tempting hire for the Badgers, agreed?
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 16, 2023, 08:05:00 AM
I knew someone would come in with that one. Hah!!
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 16, 2023, 08:44:08 AM
are the badgers paying TE coaches $900,000/year?
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 16, 2023, 09:02:10 AM
Gino was making $550K.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 16, 2023, 09:05:20 AM
don't think Brian is gonna make the jump for a pay cut

and his job security might suffer in Madison

he might have to work and produce there
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 20, 2023, 11:15:17 AM
Spring ball is upon us.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 20, 2023, 02:32:59 PM
Wisconsin Football on Twitter: "𝘽𝙐𝙄𝙇𝘿 the foundation 🧱 Next up → Spring Ball 🤫 https://t.co/3c7tpdFrgK" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/badgerfootball/status/1637865385251725330?s=46&t=B_skGni1EehPI1t6KD-c4gLove)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on March 27, 2023, 01:35:37 PM
Nick Evers showing off an impressive arm during Badgers Spring ball:

https://twitter.com/PabloIglesiasTV/status/1639708426803576832
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2023, 02:05:52 PM
The future looks bright.

I'm still amazed that CLF was able to land three 4* QB's in a matter of weeks.

The prior regime managed one, in 7 years.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2023, 02:12:49 PM
air raid vs ground & pound

4 * QBs embrace the air raid
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2023, 02:20:46 PM
It's not going to be a traditional air raid.

UNC's rushing yards were close (or better) then UW's rushing yards last season, and the prior season.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on March 27, 2023, 02:24:43 PM
seems to me like Fickell is leveling up Wisconsin and doing so quickly.

Wisconsin with upgraded skill at QB and WR is going to be a bitch for everyone in the B1G to deal with. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2023, 02:32:56 PM
That's the plan.

I really think PC just simply lost the fire. His first few years were good/great. 

2015 Holiday Bowl - beat USC
2016 Cotton Bowl - beat WMU
2017 Orange Bowl - beat Miami

2018 clunker. beat Miami in Pinstripe.

2019 Rose Bowl - lost to Oregon

2020 Covid
2021 clunker - beat ASU in Vegas
2022 clunker - fired 5 games in
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on March 27, 2023, 02:39:56 PM
That's the plan.

I really think PC just simply lost the fire. His first few years were good/great.

2015 Holiday Bowl - beat USC
2016 Cotton Bowl - beat WMU
2017 Orange Bowl - beat Miami

2018 clunker. beat Miami in Pinstripe.

2019 Rose Bowl - lost to Oregon

2020 Covid
2021 clunker - beat ASU in Vegas
2022 clunker - fired 5 games in
he could’ve possibly turned it around had he been given the chance- Harbs did. But I think that’s rare. Odds are he wouldn’t have imo. Firing him really worked out for them bc they landed Fickell imo.

once a coach loses his edge/fire whatever you want to call it or once he loses the players- it’s hard to get either back.

I think Fickell is a safe bet to be a home run hire. You never know how these things work out. On paper though, it was the best hire any program has made in at least the last few years imo.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2023, 03:21:52 PM
Yeah, he wasn't gonna go to just any old place. He said he'd only move to a place with the right culture and history. I guess he found it. 

He has had many offers/feelers in the past 3 years, and he took this one. 

I'm glad the AD had the stones to make it happen, even though I'll greatly miss Jim Leonhard.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on March 27, 2023, 04:19:26 PM
Yeah, he wasn't gonna go to just any old place. He said he'd only move to a place with the right culture and history. I guess he found it.

He has had many offers/feelers in the past 3 years, and he took this one.

I'm glad the AD had the stones to make it happen, even though I'll greatly miss Jim Leonhard.
Kinda says a lot he turned ND down and said yes to Wisconsin. Fickell thinks Wisconsin is a great job. He also thinks ND isn’t that great a job. I agree with him on both counts.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Temp430 on April 25, 2023, 06:57:18 AM
Wisconsin's offense "underwhelms" in the Spring game.  Not really surprising, new coach, new offense, new QB, and the weather was crappy.  

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-football/wisconsins-new-era-defense-rules-badgers-first-spring-game-under-fickell (https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-football/wisconsins-new-era-defense-rules-badgers-first-spring-game-under-fickell)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 25, 2023, 07:31:47 AM
Based on what I saw, the UW defense might be the best defense that the UW offense sees this coming season.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on April 25, 2023, 10:37:10 AM
Longo is a top-flight play-caller. At worst, they’ll likely run it up against the bad teams. This I believe. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 25, 2023, 10:41:49 AM
Saturday was a test for tempo. I don't think they play clock ever fell below 15 seconds, and I think most of the players don't fully understand the offense. I look for strong improvement by Fall* camp.

Tough to do in that weather, so Longo will need to adjust for November in the B1G.



* Fall camp? It happens in August.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on April 30, 2023, 12:41:35 PM
We hear you Wisconsin:

(https://i.imgur.com/BC6qWnd.jpg)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 30, 2023, 12:55:00 PM
That is... awesome.

Illinois hanging right with them too, outside of the Chicago area.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on April 30, 2023, 01:10:39 PM
north Dakota!
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on April 30, 2023, 03:38:05 PM
We hear you Wisconsin:

(https://i.imgur.com/BC6qWnd.jpg)
Always and forever
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 01, 2023, 09:24:19 AM
WR Markus Allen arrested. Not sure he was even part of the depth anymore. 

He may have been carrying a gun while intoxicated.

This is one way to get down to 85 scholarships, I guess.

(https://i.imgur.com/SBBcmI1.png)

Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on May 01, 2023, 12:39:38 PM
WR Markus Allen arrested. Not sure he was even part of the depth anymore.

He may have been carrying a gun while intoxicated.

This is one way to get down to 85 scholarships, I guess.

(https://i.imgur.com/SBBcmI1.png)


Is he the one who transferred to Minnesota, and then changed his mind?
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 01, 2023, 01:06:21 PM
Yep, that's him. Probably should have stuck with PJ. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on May 01, 2023, 02:17:11 PM
Is he the one who transferred to Minnesota, and then changed his mind?
There were rumors he’d done some bad stuff before and no one was sad to see him go. 

So in terms of taking advantage of a second chance, not great. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 01, 2023, 02:40:17 PM
There were rumors he’d done some bad stuff before and no one was sad to see him go.

So in terms of taking advantage of a second chance, not great.
What were those rumors?
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MarqHusker on May 01, 2023, 03:45:36 PM
I'm shocked that Mifflin Sreeet party has arrests and drunken behavior.   That might be the first DO NOT rule I'd impose on my scholarship athletes, anyone caught hanging out at Mifflin will be running around the lakes indefinitely until fall camp.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on May 01, 2023, 04:49:28 PM
I'm shocked that Mifflin Sreeet party has arrests and drunken behavior.  That might be the first DO NOT rule I'd impose on my scholarship athletes, anyone caught hanging out at Mifflin will be running around the lakes indefinitely until fall camp.
That feels like it would be a bit of overreach. It's one day a year. It's not during practice time. You gotta not be a dummy, but that's all the time. 

But I'd strongly advise the kids to not bring guns on their person anywhere, let alone in their backpack to that event. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MarqHusker on May 01, 2023, 08:06:53 PM
Perhaps, I'm overstating the debauchery I recall from my two Mifflin experiences.   I know it is apparently much more subdued than it used to be.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 02, 2023, 05:05:27 AM
Never went to one of those.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on May 02, 2023, 02:15:56 PM
Based on what I saw, the UW defense might be the best defense that the UW offense sees this coming season.

OK, good news for the Badger faithful. A contingent of Madison diehards were were demanding Leonhard or else! Good on the AD for ignoring the feelgood hometown story.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on May 02, 2023, 04:04:55 PM
Never went to one of those.
Didn't you have kids before you enrolled at UW?
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 02, 2023, 04:07:02 PM
Thankfully no. Not with that bitch on wheels. ;)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on May 02, 2023, 04:12:02 PM
Thankfully no. Not with that bitch on wheels. ;)
We all have our bullets to dodge. 

Absent progeny, you probably would've been a bit out of place at Mifflin. Though someone would've offered you a beer. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 03, 2023, 09:47:39 AM
Yeah, we didn't get to Madison until I was 25 years old. Didn't really fit in at all, so I kept to myself for the most part. Had a few friends who were a little older and around my age. They were GI Bill or worked through school like me. 

I did meet some nice gals in my age group, after the divorce.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 03, 2023, 03:28:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/UYwQJ55.png)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 03, 2023, 03:51:48 PM
playoffs????

Talkin bout Playoffs????
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 03, 2023, 04:04:05 PM
Why not? They'd have made it 3 or 4 times already, under the future format.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 03, 2023, 04:06:26 PM
I'm glad Lincoln is down south

balmy in Dec.

Come on up, SEC SEC SEC
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: LittlePig on May 04, 2023, 09:16:07 AM
[img width=172.79 height=493.994]https://i.imgur.com/UYwQJ55.png[/img]
Is Wisconsin the first Big Ten school to do this? If not, I can definitely see OSU, PSU, and Neb doing this too.

I think the Minnesota Gophers put in heated fields when the Vikings played at their stadium. Ironically they are the last team that needs heated fields now because they could just play their playoff games in the indoor Vikings stadium.

I guess Ind and Purdue could play their playoff games in the Colts Stadium.  MSU and Mich could play in Ford Field.  Although Michigan might decide to put in heated fields anyway.

MD could play in the Ravens stadium and Rut could play in the Meadowlands.  NW could play in Soldier field for now and the new Bears indoor stadium if it gets built.

Illinois and Iowa would be a tough call.  They might install heated fields,  but maybe they will use the new Bears stadium too.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 04, 2023, 09:28:30 AM
play on the frozen tundra
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 04, 2023, 09:50:59 AM
I guess Ind and Purdue could play their playoff games in the Colts Stadium.
(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-12/16/12/enhanced/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane01/anigif_enhanced-30727-1481910161-2.gif)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: LittlePig on May 04, 2023, 12:11:01 PM
play on the frozen tundra
I wonder how long the CFP will put up with that until they say no more frozen tundra.   But I guess as long as it's only 1 round on campus in mid-december,  they might be ok with it. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 04, 2023, 01:26:31 PM
Is Wisconsin the first Big Ten school to do this? If not, I can definitely see OSU, PSU, and Neb doing this too.

I think the Minnesota Gophers put in heated fields when the Vikings played at their stadium. Ironically they are the last team that needs heated fields now because they could just play their playoff games in the indoor Vikings stadium.

I guess Ind and Purdue could play their playoff games in the Colts Stadium.  MSU and Mich could play in Ford Field.  Although Michigan might decide to put in heated fields anyway.

MD could play in the Ravens stadium and Rut could play in the Meadowlands.  NW could play in Soldier field for now and the new Bears indoor stadium if it gets built.

Illinois and Iowa would be a tough call.  They might install heated fields,  but maybe they will use the new Bears stadium too.
They will never have to worry about playing games in December. :57:
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 05, 2023, 09:41:03 AM
I wonder how long the CFP will put up with that until they say no more frozen tundra.  But I guess as long as it's only 1 round on campus in mid-december,  they might be ok with it.
are you speaking to the idea that there might be more injuries?
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: LittlePig on May 05, 2023, 06:45:06 PM
are you speaking to the idea that there might be more injuries?
That and crappy field conditions lead to games where teams can play like crap,  which some fans consider not very entertaining or fair.    In the end many fans want their team to win because they really are the best,  and they want to beat the other team when they are their best.

Now with that said,  the occasional snow game or frozen turf game can be entertaining as something different, but I would rather see that maybe once a decade in the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 05, 2023, 07:52:14 PM
That and crappy field conditions lead to games where teams can play like crap,  which some fans consider not very entertaining or fair.    In the end many fans want their team to win because they really are the best,  and they want to beat the other team when they are their best.

Now with that said,  the occasional snow game or frozen turf game can be entertaining as something different, but I would rather see that maybe once a decade in the playoffs.
entertaining and fair are what 12 teams in a playoff is all about
I assume only the first round is played on the home field campus?
Only 4 games total.
#5 vs #12 might not seem fair playing on #5's home field - regardless of conditions
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: LittlePig on May 07, 2023, 10:02:28 AM
You know with NBC now requiring a Big Ten game every Saturday night,  these heated fields might be handy on those cold Saturday nights in November.  It was not that long ago the Big Ten did not play any games on Saturday night in November.  This won't help the fans in the stands stay warm but at least the players on the field will be comfy.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 07, 2023, 10:08:09 AM
It was not that long ago the Big Ten did not play any games on Saturday night in November.  
always thought that a "pussy" move by the B1G
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 08, 2023, 09:06:54 AM
A trustworthy insider made a post on one of the boards regarding the 3 CB's UW lost to the portal recently. 

(https://i.imgur.com/iHXaVSV.png)

All were told they would not contribute on the field in Madison and were advised to hit the portal if they wanted to continue playing. 

Staff reminded them that their scholarships would be honored, but they would not be on the roster any longer.

It was the same basic story for the LB, kicker and RB that also recently left. The LB and RB will get their degrees in a few weeks, so that's good.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on May 15, 2023, 01:07:55 PM
On a random note, UW reporters keep calling the new offense an "Air Raid" offense. It's tangentially Air Raid based, but probably far enough from the source that it's not really a great descriptor. 

This will irk me until it stops, though it is probably being done for recruiting. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 15, 2023, 01:40:06 PM
I luv the term

"Air Raid"
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 15, 2023, 01:45:51 PM
On a random note, UW reporters keep calling the new offense an "Air Raid" offense. It's tangentially Air Raid based, but probably far enough from the source that it's not really a great descriptor.

This will irk me until it stops, though it is probably being done for recruiting.
I'd wager that UW will still run more than it passes.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 15, 2023, 01:54:03 PM
this season, until they rebuild the roster with "air raid" types

;)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 15, 2023, 02:26:45 PM
UNC with Phil Longo as OC:

2022

(https://i.imgur.com/9hAf9us.png)

2021

(https://i.imgur.com/yrPgyZN.png)

2020

(https://i.imgur.com/9ZnsQsg.png)

2019

(https://i.imgur.com/YSx2obf.png)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 15, 2023, 02:37:15 PM
how does that compare with the Badgers past 4 seasons?
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 15, 2023, 02:44:08 PM
It doesn't at all. 

Since JT23 left the offense has been just bad.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 15, 2023, 03:05:26 PM
run/pass ratio about the same?
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 15, 2023, 03:21:11 PM
run/pass ratio about the same?
Last season UW ran 501 times and threw 326 times.

2021 567/300
2020 293/202 (covid)
2019 612/351 (JT23's last year)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 15, 2023, 03:46:42 PM
so, rushing attempts were similar between the two last season

UNC just had way more passing attempts

probably because they converted more 3rd downs, gained more 1st downs and ran more plays
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 15, 2023, 04:17:22 PM
UW was bad on 3rd downs because it was almost always 3rd and long.

Now it's gonna be 3rd and Longo.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 26, 2023, 01:33:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/uX2oROQ.png)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 26, 2023, 01:42:21 PM
apparently not a terrific job with the Huskers, unless he was there 20+ seasons ago
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 26, 2023, 01:53:11 PM
apparently not a terrific job with the Huskers, unless he was there 20+ seasons ago
He was with Frost at UCF and at UNL.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on May 26, 2023, 01:56:38 PM

I'd wager that UW will still run more than it passes.
Because the offense isn’t a true air raid
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on May 27, 2023, 03:25:24 PM
UW was bad on 3rd downs because it was almost always 3rd and long.

Now it's gonna be 3rd and Longo.
Interestingly, this is not really true. For all UW's issues the third down rate was slightly above average, 52nd overall, 48th against just FBS opposition.

The reason for this was that UW was relatively good at avoiding third and long (38th in how often they avoided it it) and 44th in how often they got to 3rd and short. 

Now they were very middling in at converting short in medium (in the 60s) and 76th in how often they converted third and long.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 28, 2023, 07:42:40 AM
Slightly above average is bad. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on May 28, 2023, 08:12:44 AM
Slightly above average is bad.
This is not correct. Slightly above average is slightly above average. And if it was bad, it’s not because they were in third and long too much. 

Wisconsin‘s offense was bad at a great many things. But not really this one.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 28, 2023, 08:17:32 AM
Brian Ferentz brought the average down
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 28, 2023, 08:30:14 AM
This is not correct. Slightly above average is slightly above average. And if it was bad, it’s not because they were in third and long too much.

Wisconsin‘s offense was bad at a great many things. But not really this one.
A is great.

B is OK.

C is failure.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 28, 2023, 08:39:30 AM
I agree that #50 in the nation is bad
Also #7 in the B1G is bad

perhaps good for Rutgers, but bad for programs with expectations
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on May 28, 2023, 08:42:14 AM
UW was bad on 3rd downs because it was almost always 3rd and long.

Now it's gonna be 3rd and Longo.
Midpack is "bad" if your aim is to be "elite" or even "very good" overall.  It's relative.  

College Football Stats - College FB Team Third Down Conversion Percentage | TeamRankings.com

U (https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/third-down-conversion-pct)SC is second, which is not a shock, Washington is first, which kind of us, UGA was third, which coupled with the defense is very good.  Wisconsin at 40% is a bit more than 10% under the leaders (who were over 50%).  GaTech was the worst P5 (!) at 33%.  
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on May 28, 2023, 09:07:48 AM
I agree that #50 in the nation is bad
Also #7 in the B1G is bad

perhaps good for Rutgers, but bad for programs with expectations
Is fifth in the big ten "bad"?
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on May 28, 2023, 09:11:09 AM
Midpack is "bad" if your aim is to be "elite" or even "very good" overall.  It's relative. 

College Football Stats - College FB Team Third Down Conversion Percentage | TeamRankings.com

U (https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/third-down-conversion-pct)SC is second, which is not a shock, Washington is first, which kind of us, UGA was third, which coupled with the defense is very good.  Wisconsin at 40% is a bit more than 10% under the leaders (who were over 50%).  GaTech was the worst P5 (!) at 33%. 
My relativity is: This team was overall bad at offense, and the third down area was "relatively" fine compared to what was around it.

Like, was it super? Nope. Was worse than what I expected given the overall offense product, nope. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 28, 2023, 09:13:14 AM
The only reason 3rd down looks better is Braelon Allen's ability to carry 2 tacklers with him for another yard or two. That's it.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on May 28, 2023, 09:17:11 AM
It's an area that needs improvement to be competitive in the upper reaches of CFB.

Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on May 28, 2023, 09:19:38 AM
A is great.

B is OK.

C is failure.
I think this was how we got grade inflation.

I'm not saying this was some monumental great outcome, only that in aggregate it was beside the point given the context. UW was a BAD passing team. UW was a slightly above average rushing team, which is flat bad, considering the talent and O-line pedigree. These are spots to focus on. 

The fact Graham Mertz was slightly below average on third and long, that's actually pretty surprising. He didn't look nearly that good (The fact UW was ever so slightly better on 3rd and short than third and long, that is a failure well below a C)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on May 28, 2023, 09:22:29 AM
The only reason 3rd down looks better is Braelon Allen's ability to carry 2 tacklers with him for another yard or two. That's it.
Wisconsin was 63rd on converting third and shorts.

So I'm reading that Braelon Allen is bad at that, per the standard here. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on May 28, 2023, 09:22:40 AM
And Mertz now is the likely started at UF?

Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on May 28, 2023, 09:32:10 AM
And Mertz now is the likely started at UF?


Yep. One of two things will happen.

1. He will finally deliver on his talent in a fresh situation. 
2. Unhappiness 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 28, 2023, 09:35:38 AM
I think this was how we got grade inflation.

I'm not saying this was some monumental great outcome, only that in aggregate it was beside the point given the context. UW was a BAD passing team. UW was a slightly above average rushing team, which is flat bad, considering the talent and O-line pedigree. These are spots to focus on.

The fact Graham Mertz was slightly below average on third and long, that's actually pretty surprising. He didn't look nearly that good (The fact UW was ever so slightly better on 3rd and short than third and long, that is a failure well below a C)
It's the system I was told when I hit grad school. You get a C, and you're out. B's are looked at cross-eyed.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 28, 2023, 09:38:45 AM
Is fifth in the big ten "bad"?
(https://i.imgur.com/cgMyTeR.png)

If you consider maryland and nebraska bad, then yes. An almost 4 points better jump from 4th to 3rd
and then consider that the B1G isn't known for being a great offensive conference
Also consider the loss to the Gophers and a 1 point win vs the Huskers converting 8/15.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on May 28, 2023, 09:41:13 AM
If you consider maryland and nebraska bad, then yes. An almost 4 points better jump from 4th to 3rd
and then consider that the B1G isn't known for being a great offensive conference
Also consider the loss to the Gophers and a 1 point win vs the Huskers converting 8/15.
I consumed a lot of alcohol to avoid considering those game, Fearless. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 28, 2023, 09:42:37 AM
then you might have a slight idear of how much alcohol I've been drinking the past 7 or 8 seasons

my liver is black as duck eggs
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on May 28, 2023, 09:45:26 AM
It's the system I was told when I hit grad school. You get a C, and you're out. B's are looked at cross-eyed.
That only matches this case if 60 percent of the school failed out on grades alone, which I'm guessing it did not. 

So hey, we found some of the roots of grade inflation! 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on May 28, 2023, 09:58:26 AM
Unrelated, looking at the 3rd down history is interesting because it points to a real schizophrenia when it comes to UW QBs and third downs.

Tolzien was insanely good on third down, top-10.
Wilson was obviously unreal
The Stave years were all not good
The first Hornibrook year was relatively good (especially because the run game was low-key middling), and the second was unreal
The last Hornibrook team was about at the level of this team, though it was odd because that run game was insane and pass game was very, VERY bad
Coan was back to top-10
And then Mertz, which peaked this year at 51st being one of the high points of a not-good offense

My kingdom for a game manager. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on May 28, 2023, 10:03:49 AM
It's the system I was told when I hit grad school. You get a C, and you're out. B's are looked at cross-eyed.
We had an H P L F system, which was odd, because they didn't give H's, almost ever, and it didn't matter if you got one.   If you got one L outside your "major", it was "OK", not great, but survivable.  Any F meant you were gone.  The first year some students asked what they could do to get an "H" and the professor said "nothing" ...

I had all Ps as I dimly recall.  I don't think many flunked out because of grades.  The oral exams were a different thing of course.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 29, 2023, 09:44:35 AM
Wisconsin undergrad scale:

A   4
AB 3.5
B   3
BC 2.5
C   3
D   1
F   0
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 29, 2023, 09:58:48 AM
Steve Sarkisian and the Texas Longhorns are adding a prominent ex-Big Ten coach to their football coaching staff.

Paul Chryst, a former head football coach at the University of Wisconsin, is joining the Texas football program, according to multiple reports.

Chryst is expected to serve as an offensive analyst to Sarkisian and Co.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 29, 2023, 10:07:16 AM
Steve Sarkisian and the Texas Longhorns are adding a prominent ex-Big Ten coach to their football coaching staff.

Paul Chryst, a former head football coach at the University of Wisconsin, is joining the Texas football program, according to multiple reports.

Chryst is expected to serve as an offensive analyst to Sarkisian and Co.

I heard about this about a week ago. His house is up for sale, which is why the "rumor" started. Now it's the truth.

I remember back in 2010 or so when Texas tried to get him as their OC, but PC decided to stay in Madison.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on May 29, 2023, 01:27:10 PM
PC's tenure is a head scratcher seemed he had the "IT" factor like Scottie at UNL
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on May 29, 2023, 01:40:57 PM
PC's tenure is a head scratcher seemed he had the "IT" factor like Scottie at UNL
He was boring and didn’t like the front facing part of the job. He got away with it for a while with good teams. Then not. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 29, 2023, 02:27:17 PM
JT23 help a lot.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on May 29, 2023, 07:32:15 PM
JT23 help a lot.
So did Hornibrook when he was good, and Cephus and Fum and AJ Taylor and some good OLs and Coan. 

Of late they've had a couple good WRs, plus Allen and Chez, but less good OL play and less consistency from QBs or pass catchers. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 12, 2023, 01:34:05 PM
Gotta love it.

(https://i.imgur.com/jg8Lb2j.png)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on June 12, 2023, 01:42:23 PM
Gotta love it.

(https://i.imgur.com/jg8Lb2j.png)
In the “mindless offseason reading category” I was reading some OHio State writers’ game by game predictions for the upcoming season.

At least one of them picks the Buckeyes to lose at Camp Randall this year. 

That wouldn’t surprise me in the least.  Winning there it’s hard enough, and I think LF adds to that. Then- having to play there the week after Penn State is a big ask. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on June 12, 2023, 02:14:29 PM
Gotta love it.

(https://i.imgur.com/jg8Lb2j.png)
I always find that stat incredibly silly. Because all it really tells me is that a team doesn’t play fullbacks or tight ends as much.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 12, 2023, 02:18:16 PM
Braelon Allen doesn't think it's silly.


And HB... UW will not beat OSU this season. They are a few years away from even thinking about being at that level.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on June 12, 2023, 02:20:01 PM
Braelon Allen doesn't think it's silly.


And HB... UW will not beat OSU this season. They are a few years away from even thinking about being at that level.
When the game gets near- we will make an offline friendly wager.   I think either way- that game will be close.  
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on June 12, 2023, 02:23:47 PM
it's not silly, but the only way to get the defense out of the box is to throw more

Braelon's attempts go down and hopefully his average goes up

total yards about the same
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on June 12, 2023, 03:18:45 PM
Braelon Allen doesn't think it's silly.
I mean, he's also talking about nine-man boxes, which you're basically only going to see out of a couple formations/personnel groupings. Seems like he's speaking in vibes more than actual numbers, and it's true, UW being RPO heavy and high-tempo will very likely be pretty damn fun. 

But box math is pretty simple. The defense controls one, occasionally two when it comes to the numbers (you have 1-high safety, making you plus-1 in the box, or 2-high, which is even. Sometimes you go 0-high, but that's usually about where you are on the field). The offense can control up to 5, though usually only four. 

So if I play a fullback and tight end, that means I have two DBs split out with my two WRs. And if I have Braelon Allen, my opponent very likely is going 1-high. Thus, just by running Wisconsin's standard personnel and being good at running that ball, ta da, 8-man box. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on June 12, 2023, 03:19:29 PM
it's not silly, but the only way to get the defense out of the box is to throw more

Braelon's attempts go down and hopefully his average goes up

total yards about the same
Not totally true, As long as you send enough WRs far enough out, you'll clear space in the box. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on June 12, 2023, 03:53:31 PM
agreed with the #9 of course

if you split out 4 potential receivers

but, if the run ratio is high, there are going to be 7 in the box with 5 blockers
gonna be out numbered

the way to improve numbers is throw it over the top of the box
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 16, 2023, 08:26:07 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Y5QaHBX.png)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on July 02, 2023, 08:59:55 AM
Wisconsin's schedule ranked one of the Big Ten's easiest this season

https://badgerswire.usatoday.com/2023/06/27/wisconsins-schedule-ranked-one-of-the-big-tens-easiest-this-season/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2-yw_40yrXoVb02udtH_oQ3Xcb4n3z1IGiEAia8j9xfTDu6FCoHOp6Zs0 (https://badgerswire.usatoday.com/2023/06/27/wisconsins-schedule-ranked-one-of-the-big-tens-easiest-this-season/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2-yw_40yrXoVb02udtH_oQ3Xcb4n3z1IGiEAia8j9xfTDu6FCoHOp6Zs0)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on July 11, 2023, 12:24:40 PM
"...Alvarez admitted that while him and Fickell have spoken, they don’t spend much time together."

"It’s a bit odd because kissing the Alvarez ring is a right of passage when it comes to Wisconsin football. He’s ruled that program as head coach and AD and the impression among fans is that his thumb never left the scale once he became AD. If you look at the two most successful coaches after him – Chryst and Bret Bielema – they were carbon copies of his style and philosophy."

"The fact Fickell and him don’t spend much time together won’t be viewed as a negative. If anything, it will be viewed as a positive. It means Alvarez has no influence, which is already pretty clear. That became clear the moment McIntosh pulled the trigger on firing Alvarez’s chosen son – Paul Chryst."

https://twitter.com/Outkick/status/1678432111861149698
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 01, 2023, 09:21:19 AM
Camp starts today. Lots of things to observe, and kinks to iron out.

UW will camp in Platteville, WI for the first week. It's a D3 facility at UW-P. 

Players will turn in their cell phones at the start. It was their idea.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on August 01, 2023, 09:49:24 AM
Camp starts today. Lots of things to observe, and kinks to iron out.

UW will camp in Platteville, WI for the first week. It's a D3 facility at UW-P.

Players will turn in their cell phones at the start. It was their idea.
I am excited to see what LF can do.   Should be fun as hell to watch.  
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on August 01, 2023, 10:07:58 AM
And HB... UW will not beat OSU this season. They are a few years away from even thinking about being at that level.
Much as I hope you are right, there are no guarantees. Even assuming you are right that UW will not be at Ohio State's level, the better team doesn't always win. Within the past few years Ohio State teams have not only lost to, but been blown out by vastly inferior Iowa and Purdue squads. It happens. 

The game concerns me because Wisconsin is a tough, physical opponent and it is at Camp Randall and it is at night and it is one week after another tough game. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on August 01, 2023, 10:20:21 AM
Much as I hope you are right, there are no guarantees. Even assuming you are right that UW will not be at Ohio State's level, the better team doesn't always win. Within the past few years Ohio State teams have not only lost to, but been blown out by vastly inferior Iowa and Purdue squads. It happens.

The game concerns me because Wisconsin is a tough, physical opponent and it is at Camp Randall and it is at night and it is one week after another tough game.
Yeah- Penn State and Wisconsin back to back. Brutal. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 02, 2023, 08:52:37 AM
Wisconsin will release a roster today. Sounds like it could be very different from the one in the Spring.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on August 02, 2023, 01:08:49 PM
Yeah- Penn State and Wisconsin back to back. Brutal.
Wisconsin is my surprise team in the nation....think they are going to be A LOT better than anyone is predicting them to be. 

OSU schedule is a lot tougher than Michigan's. Gotta give Day and Co. props for playing a real schedule. Jeem and Co. got a creampuff schedy. 

Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 02, 2023, 01:15:29 PM
Two of UW's TE's have left the program. 

One was a former walk-on who was forced to play a lot last year due to injuries. He was meh, but stable at least.

The other was UW's best receiving TE threat. He broke his leg in 2021 and again last year. I'm thinking he may just be retiring. His injuries were brutal.

Lots of walk-on kids also left, and a couple of nondescript scholarship players.

Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 14, 2023, 08:50:25 AM
Clay Cundiff retired, as I suspected.

(https://i.imgur.com/eaMaYeI.jpg)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 14, 2023, 10:18:03 AM
Clay Cundiff retired, as I suspected.

(https://i.imgur.com/eaMaYeI.jpg)
I feel like Eric on the homer board keeps hinting that there were some bad vibes there.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 14, 2023, 10:51:05 AM
I feel like Eric on the homer board keeps hinting that there were some bad vibes there.
I don't go there anymore.

That guy's arrogance is insufferable.

That tweet/X doesn't seem like bad vibes.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 16, 2023, 07:59:23 AM
I don't go there anymore.

That guy's arrogance is insufferable.

That tweet/X doesn't seem like bad vibes.
It doesn’t, but I would expect most Badger players are mature enough to understand you exit with Grace and politeness publicly.

(To be clear, not like terrible vibes. To be clear, not like terrible vibes. But there was some question of him hanging around the team in some role this year, and that was shut down without explanation)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on August 19, 2023, 05:07:48 PM
We hear you Wisconsin:

(https://i.imgur.com/BC6qWnd.jpg)


Update:

https://twitter.com/midwestern_ope/status/1692202740607299840
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 19, 2023, 08:32:35 PM
nothing to be proud of Rusty
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on August 20, 2023, 09:30:10 AM

Update:

https://twitter.com/midwestern_ope/status/1692202740607299840
https://youtu.be/JUIRBGaHeWE?t=265
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MarqHusker on August 20, 2023, 09:41:19 AM
I don't go there anymore.

That guy's arrogance is insufferable.

That tweet/X doesn't seem like bad vibes.
My childhood Badger friend said to me during last season,  that board is him and his sychophants.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 20, 2023, 09:46:45 AM
I'd tend to agree.

They also have a politics board there. Don't dare show any signs of being conservative.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: GopherRock on August 20, 2023, 10:16:07 AM
Getting back to the topic, honest question for

Has Fickell fixed his OL? 

Those that are pimping the weasels as their preseason darlings clearly didn't watch much of the end of last season. The line that the Badgers brought into their last two Axe games made the Bad News Bears look like seasoned professionals. Even if Braelon Allen was healthy, he didn't have anywhere to go. All of the skill positions don't mean much if the OL can't control the line of scrimmage. 

I know this era of CFB is a different one, but OL rebuilds take two full seasons and it was clear that the one in Madison needed to be gutted and rebuilt. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 20, 2023, 10:24:30 AM
The OL has been a problem since 2020. Joe Rudolph was not getting it done, so he was moved along to VT in favor of Bob Bostad last season. Rudy is now at ND and Bo is at Indiana.

The new OL coach, Jack Bicknell, seems to think he goes 10+ deep now.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 21, 2023, 08:52:46 AM
I'd tend to agree.

They also have a politics board there. Don't dare show any signs of being conservative.
I’ve never clicked on that and it has been a good choice.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 21, 2023, 08:55:01 AM
Getting back to the topic, honest question for

Has Fickell fixed his OL?

Those that are pimping the weasels as their preseason darlings clearly didn't watch much of the end of last season. The line that the Badgers brought into their last two Axe games made the Bad News Bears look like seasoned professionals. Even if Braelon Allen was healthy, he didn't have anywhere to go. All of the skill positions don't mean much if the OL can't control the line of scrimmage.

I know this era of CFB is a different one, but OL rebuilds take two full seasons and it was clear that the one in Madison needed to be gutted and rebuilt.
Two things:
1. i’ve been around a lot of college football. The grading curve is usually hard on offensive lines and You literally just don’t know until the season kicks off
2. The only upside is that there is raw talent, and sometimes the right new coach can activate that.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 21, 2023, 10:05:41 AM
Two things:
1. i’ve been around a lot of college football. The grading curve is usually hard on offensive lines and You literally just don’t know until the season kicks off
2. The only upside is that there is raw talent, and sometimes the right new coach can activate that.
Another upside is they won't have to try and block 8-9 guys on every play this year.

Looks like the starting center is out again, and it might be a long time and maybe the season. That is my biggest concern.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 21, 2023, 11:30:10 AM
My projected opening game depth for the OL:

1

LT Jack Nelson 5*
LG Joe Huber 3* (in for Bortolini)
C Tanner Bortolini 3* (in for Renfro)
RG Joe Brunner 4*
RT Riley Mahlman 4*

2

LT Nolan Rucci 5*
LG JP Benzschawel 4*
C Joe Brunner 4*
RG Michael Furtney 3*
RT Trey Wedig 4*


My concern is really at center. Bort really hasn't looked great in the shotgun, and nobody passed him. They could really use Joe Tippman, but he was wise to leave early and get drafted 43rd.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 21, 2023, 02:27:35 PM
Another upside is they won't have to try and block 8-9 guys on every play this year.

Looks like the starting center is out again, and it might be a long time and maybe the season. That is my biggest concern.
I’ll be interested in that. The nature of those numbers are usually over stated. But the spacing elements will be different. 

Also Longo being a big box numbers guy, for good or ill.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 21, 2023, 04:53:44 PM
Another thing. When have we ever seen this much depth at the WR position in Madison?

Never?

They had some good WR returning, and the staff brought in an amazing group of transfers.

They are 9-deep now. Unreal.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 21, 2023, 05:05:41 PM
you know that takes away from the OL and RB depth
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 21, 2023, 05:13:17 PM
OL is fully 2-deep and RB is 4-deep.

TE is rather thin (due to injury somewhat), but I'm not sure how much TE is gonna play a part in the offense.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 21, 2023, 05:38:07 PM
no fullback and not much from the TE???

air raid!!!!
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 22, 2023, 08:15:36 AM
They moved one of the fullbacks to TE and he's transitioned well. #2 on the depth, if healthy.

TE #1 has looked really good.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 29, 2023, 09:40:48 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/FQU4HOp.jpg)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 29, 2023, 11:16:24 AM
247 Badger producer posted this. Pretty damning for Paul Chryst.

Evan Flood on X: "🤷‍♂️ https://t.co/Y4QYJuY3aW" / X (twitter.com) (https://twitter.com/Evan_Flood/status/1696523888581370176?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1696523888581370176|twgr^f1dfec92e7b87b63b29d8fadc087c6f915ca9ed3|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fcollege%2Fwisconsin%2Fboard%2F23%2FContents%2Ftweets-144988831%2F%3Fpage%3D1097)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Temp430 on August 29, 2023, 11:28:28 AM
Looking forward to seeing the Badger's new offense.  If anything Mordecai's talents will make Allen's job easier.  
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 29, 2023, 11:45:32 AM
It's not going to be what most people are thinking.

Mike Leach is not in Madison. The new coach is a defensive minded one. He's gonna let the OC do his thing to a point. It's not gonna be an air raid. They will probably still run more than they pass. Why wouldn't they? The talent in the RB room is among the best.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 29, 2023, 11:47:59 AM
Appears you may have a trigger finger under center
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 29, 2023, 12:11:05 PM
It's not going to be what most people are thinking.

Mike Leach is not in Madison. The new coach is a defensive minded one. He's gonna let the OC do his thing to a point. It's not gonna be an air raid. They will probably still run more than they pass. Why wouldn't they? The talent in the RB room is among the best.
There’s a chance we see why some fan bases have tired of the new OC
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 29, 2023, 12:19:48 PM
I'm confident that Fickell did his homework, and also confident that Fickell told Longo that he needed to dial it back a bit.

Tempo can be good, and bad. It needs to be situational and not constant. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 29, 2023, 03:48:09 PM
It's not going to be what most people are thinking.

Mike Leach is not in Madison.
Unfortunately for CFB Mike is no longer involved 😢
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 29, 2023, 11:35:47 PM
Know what's fun?  Picking 4 RBs for the all-time Wisconsin team.  Freakin' impossible.

The 4 QBs I chose are:  Bevell, Tolzien, Hornibrook, Stocco
Let me know if I made a grave error.  I didn't include Wilson because he just played 1 year.  Although I have Newton on AT Auburn....so should I replace Stocco with Wilson?
.
As for the RBs, I've got Dayne, Taylor, Gordon, and Ameche.  
Any opinions?
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 29, 2023, 11:49:50 PM
Know what's fun?  Picking 4 RBs for the all-time Wisconsin team.  Freakin' impossible.

The 4 QBs I chose are:  Bevell, Tolzien, Hornibrook, Stocco
Let me know if I made a grave error.  I didn't include Wilson because he just played 1 year.  Although I have Newton on AT Auburn....so should I replace Stocco with Wilson?
.
As for the RBs, I've got Dayne, Taylor, Gordon, and Ameche. 
Any opinions?
Brooks Bollinger at QB.

Montee Ball at TB.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 29, 2023, 11:55:48 PM
In place of who?
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 30, 2023, 08:13:23 AM
In place of who?

Hornibrook.

I would also probably put in Wilson, but then I would have to pick between Stocco and Bollinger. I tend to be more favorable to Stocco, but smart minds can disagree about that.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 30, 2023, 08:13:32 AM
Take out Horni for Wilson. Take out Bevell for Bollinger.

Ameche for Ball.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 30, 2023, 09:00:15 AM
Ameche won a Heisman and left as the all-time leading rusher.  I try to include different eras when I can.  

Would most 50+ year old UW fans want Ball on their all-time Wisconsin team?
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 30, 2023, 08:04:27 PM
Bollinger had 1 season of double-digit TD passes.  Good runner, though.

I think I'm going to replace Hornibrook with Wilson.
Dayne, Taylor, Ball, Gordon.  I want to include Ameche, but Dayne and Taylor are automatic, Gordon averaged 7.8 ypc on 600+ carries(!!!!) and Ball had ALL the TDs.  

Wisconsin is like 12-deep on all-time level RBs.  
Has anyone ever seen Clay and Hill in the same place at the same time?
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on August 30, 2023, 08:50:52 PM
I'm sure I've said this before but Bollinger is my most irrational favorite player for a team I don't root for.  I loved finding out a crappy Wisconsin-Indiana game was on espn2, back in such days, so that I could watch him
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 30, 2023, 11:54:43 PM
I'm sure I've said this before but Bollinger is my most irrational favorite player for a team I don't root for.  I loved finding out a crappy Wisconsin-Indiana game was on espn2, back in such days, so that I could watch him
He was before my time, but he felt like a guy that was at times challenging to root for. Not as a person, but just that his game was up and down. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 31, 2023, 12:01:27 AM
Bollinger had 1 season of double-digit TD passes.  Good runner, though.

I think I'm going to replace Hornibrook with Wilson.
Dayne, Taylor, Ball, Gordon.  I want to include Ameche, but Dayne and Taylor are automatic, Gordon averaged 7.8 ypc on 600+ carries(!!!!) and Ball had ALL the TDs. 
That feels right for me at QB. Stocco, Tolzien, Bevell, Wilson. Some people like the Bollinger grit factor and the fact that he got a Rose Bowl winner on track. But he sputtered later. Bevell did too, but his best season was really efficent for that time. 

I think that's fine for RB. Taylor is the top one in my mind, and Gordon burned so bright. Dayne is the Heisman winner. I could go either way with Ball or Ameche. Alan is more nostalgia. Ball was really effective despite not being THAT talented. Then again, he was a high functioning alcoholic while running for 3,700 yards in two years, which I suppose takes some talent. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 31, 2023, 01:03:07 AM
That's all I'm going for - what feels right.  If 1,000 Badger fans voted, am I getting 4 of the top 5?  

The new group of 4 all-time teams is UW, Oregon, GT, and Syracuse.  SU RB was tough to choose from. Oregon QB as well.  
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 31, 2023, 06:55:09 AM
Since King Barry showed up:

1. Jonathan Taylor
2. Melvin Gordon
3. Ron Dayne
4. Montee Ball
5. Brent Moss
6. Anthony Davis
7. Braelon Allen
8. James White
9. Cory Clement
10. Terrell Fletcher
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 31, 2023, 08:22:49 AM
Since King Barry showed up:

1. Jonathan Taylor
2. Melvin Gordon
3. Ron Dayne
4. Montee Ball
5. Brent Moss
6. Anthony Davis
7. Braelon Allen
8. James White
9. Cory Clement
10. Terrell Fletcher
I assume Brian Calhoun isn’t on there because he was only there one year. If he did count he’ll probably be between White and Clement.

It’s also wild that the list doesn’t include a big 10 offensive player of the year and the national freshman of the year, but also fair to say that neither probably warrants inclusion.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 31, 2023, 08:45:55 AM
There's that much daylight between Moss and Fletcher?
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 31, 2023, 08:50:13 AM
Yeah, Calhoun only one year, but he was great.

Clay is 11 on this list.

PJ Hill is 12 (don't think he was national freshman of the year - Big Ten only).
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 31, 2023, 08:51:27 AM
There's that much daylight between Moss and Fletcher?
Could probably put Fletcher up a bit. It's a tough list to come up with after the first four.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on August 31, 2023, 05:11:35 PM
What up, fellas? Less than 48 hours for a Wisconsin offseason comment.

Pretty confident that the top 4 all-time Badger quarterbacks will have a lot of turnover in the next few years (also Randy Wright?).

And changing just as fast, the all-time Badger WRs. Loooking at the current all-time list, Lee Evans might be the only safe pick to remain for very long. There are seven guys on the current roster who look like they might have top-10 all-time chops (for the Badgers). That's crazy town. In a good way. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 01, 2023, 08:28:52 AM
What up, fellas? Less than 48 hours for a Wisconsin offseason comment.

Pretty confident that the top 4 all-time Badger quarterbacks will have a lot of turnover in the next few years (also Randy Wright?).

And changing just as fast, the all-time Badger WRs. Loooking at the current all-time list, Lee Evans might be the only safe pick to remain for very long. There are seven guys on the current roster who look like they might have top-10 all-time chops (for the Badgers). That's crazy town. In a good way.
Howdy!

I was going to mention Randy Wright. He was pretty good, on a pretty good team that lost more games than it should have.

As for WR, yeah, that's tough. Pat Richter? Al Toon? Kinda slim pickings. Abby?
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on September 01, 2023, 06:56:08 PM
Tony Simmons, Chris Chambers, Abredaris, both Toons, Lee Deramus...all of those guys will probably be displaced in the next 2-4 years. The team has had a couple of moments where it had a good WR room--2003, with Evans, Orr, Williams, and Daniels at TE was a solid group; same for 2010 with Abbrederis, N. Toon, Gilreath, Anderson, and Byrne and Kendricks at TE (and Kendricks was really more of an oversized WR). But those guys pale in comparison to this group.

Clay, White, and Ball in the backfield, Tolzien having a solid year. No wonder the 2010 team put up a bunch of points.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 01, 2023, 08:41:48 PM
I went with Abbrederis, Evans, Lil Toon, Beckum (try to include a TE if I can), Big Toon, and DeRamus.

Richter was my first one out.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on September 02, 2023, 12:48:53 AM
What up, fellas? Less than 48 hours for a Wisconsin offseason comment.

Pretty confident that the top 4 all-time Badger quarterbacks will have a lot of turnover in the next few years (also Randy Wright?).

And changing just as fast, the all-time Badger WRs. Loooking at the current all-time list, Lee Evans might be the only safe pick to remain for very long. There are seven guys on the current roster who look like they might have top-10 all-time chops (for the Badgers). That's crazy town. In a good way.
Haaayy, what's up, sir!
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 06, 2023, 09:43:42 AM
I guess I'll put this here, since it happened to a student - and my studio apartment was 2 blocks from where this atrocious crime happened. Used to be a nice, quiet area, but I guess that has changed.

'Defunded' Wisconsin police to increase patrols after young woman brutalized in college football town attack | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/defunded-wisconsin-police-increase-patrols-after-young-woman-brutalized-college-football-town-attack)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 06, 2023, 02:19:03 PM
They got the guy, at least. Throw the book at him now.

Madison cops arrest suspect in University of Wisconsin sex assault (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/madison-cops-arrest-suspect-in-university-of-wisconsin-sex-assault/ar-AA1gkUFr?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7c2cd0b26e58437e84bf97a1549a6691&ei=59)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on September 06, 2023, 10:58:15 PM
I guess I'll put this here, since it happened to a student - and my studio apartment was 2 blocks from where this atrocious crime happened. Used to be a nice, quiet area, but I guess that has changed.

'Defunded' Wisconsin police to increase patrols after young woman brutalized in college football town attack | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/defunded-wisconsin-police-increase-patrols-after-young-woman-brutalized-college-football-town-attack)
This sent me down a spiral of trying to find a house or a bunch of my buddies lived in that neighborhood. A crap hole of a place, but a lot of good memories.

Interesting to watch that play out in the legal system. I’ll be interested to see if it’s the kind of thing that ends up going to trial.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on September 07, 2023, 07:33:17 AM
They got the guy, at least. Throw the book at him now.

Madison cops arrest suspect in University of Wisconsin sex assault (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/madison-cops-arrest-suspect-in-university-of-wisconsin-sex-assault/ar-AA1gkUFr?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7c2cd0b26e58437e84bf97a1549a6691&ei=59)
Great news and thanks.  Been concerned and looking but didn't see anything.  
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MarqHusker on September 07, 2023, 07:41:08 AM
Who's guilty of causing that pier to collapse on the lake?
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 07, 2023, 07:46:52 AM
The 1000 idiots who thought it would be a good idea to occupy it at the same time?
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 16, 2023, 10:35:25 AM
Sooo...

(https://i.imgur.com/R8XwxSJ.png)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 16, 2023, 10:36:58 AM
I'm gonna say he's done for the season, and for his career, unless he can somehow get a medial. He's in his 6th year already.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on October 16, 2023, 11:54:50 AM
I'm gonna say he's done for the season, and for his career, unless he can somehow get a medial. He's in his 6th year already.
That sounds likely. Bad beat for the kid. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 22, 2023, 08:59:50 AM
So now it looks like Wisconsin can make a bowl game. The new QB showed a lot of balls out there yesterday and that is promising.

(https://i.imgur.com/4LkoJzk.png)


No chance
Win
Win
Win
Tossup

8 wins now seems like the floor. 9 is the ceiling.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on October 22, 2023, 10:27:43 AM
So now it looks like Wisconsin can make a bowl game. The new QB showed a lot of balls out there yesterday and that is promising.

(https://i.imgur.com/4LkoJzk.png)


No chance
Win
Win
Win
Tossup

8 wins now seems like the floor. 9 is the ceiling.
Oh, I think that's a bit ambitious. 

With a young, wobbly QB and that defense, this is gonna be a grind. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 23, 2023, 08:34:20 AM
Yeah, I don't think they can beat the Goophs on the road.

@ Indiana? That's gotta be a win - even if they played on the moon. The other two are at home and should be wins. 8 has to be their floor. They are better than NU and UNL.

I'd be ecstatic if they could bring the AXE home to where it belongs, but I'm not counting on it.

8 wins should get them to Nashville or Jacksonville, and we'd probably go if it's Nashville.


The rest of the season is how Locke performs. The kid just made his first start, on the road, in a homecoming weekend. He played well, I thought. I hope OSU doesn't destroy him because after Locke, UW doesn't have much.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 06, 2023, 10:38:02 AM
Yeah, I don't think they can beat the Goophs on the road.

@ Indiana? That's gotta be a win - even if they played on the moon. The other two are at home and should be wins. 8 has to be their floor. They are better than NU and UNL. So, this was all a bunch of shit.

I'd be ecstatic if they could bring the AXE home to where it belongs, but I'm not counting on it. Not a chance.

8 wins should get them to Nashville or Jacksonville, and we'd probably go if it's Nashville. Now just hoping to get to 6 wins.


The rest of the season is how Locke performs. The kid just made his first start, on the road, in a homecoming weekend. He played well, I thought. I hope OSU doesn't destroy him because after Locke, UW doesn't have much. Locke did not play well at all at IU. Not the answer at QB in Madison.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 06, 2023, 10:39:58 AM
I think we are going to see a mass-exodus from Madison after the season. Not at the Sanders level, but a lot of kids are gonna be gone after tough "conversations".

 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 06, 2023, 10:42:42 AM
This made my "buy" from your buy, sell, hold thread quite a bit shakier.  Did not see that coming.  
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 12, 2023, 08:19:00 AM
Very damning article. Rock bottom. The comments from team leaders say it all.

"We've Hit Rock Bottom:" Wisconsin Short On Answers After Northwestern Loss (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/board/23/Contents/weve-hit-rock-bottom-wisconsin-short-on-answers-after-northwestern-loss-220087003/?page=1)


QB:

"I'm very embarrassed. It's very frustrating," said Mordecai. "I'm pretty emotional right now right after getting my ass handed to me. I'm frustrated. I don't know what to tell you."


"If you deem yourself a competitor, you better feel like this. Either play somewhere else or don't play the game at all."


Mordecai, who's only been in the program for 10 months, plans to stay on top of his teammates throughout the next two weeks of the regular season. When it comes to the little things such as being on time for practice, bringing energy, taking care of their bodies, etc., Mordecai took accountability for keeping his teammates "on task."


"I want to know who has a big give-a-shit factor in this program," he said. "I'll be paying attention to that."



SS:


"Our backs are up against the wall like they've never been before," Wohler said. "How many guys really do give a shit about this team, about this program, about this culture, about winning and losing, and about each other?
"There might be some weeding out we need to do. The things we have going on are not what Wisconsin football is. It's not what Wisconsin football represents. We have to find a way to get rid of some problems and come out with some solutions."

Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on November 12, 2023, 08:21:25 AM
If "being on time for practice" is even a consideration, this would be bad.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 12, 2023, 08:34:54 AM
Explains some of the benching we've see this season.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 12, 2023, 09:21:44 AM
Tough place to be.   Cliche, but it applies here.   Once you hit bottom, only way to go is up.  
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 12, 2023, 09:53:41 AM
Pile on continues:

“The Badgers lost 24-10 to the Wildcats at home Saturday, and it was perhaps one of the worst performances of Wisconsin football that I’ve seen in decades.”

“The Badgers hired Fickell, and somehow got worse. The offense is a joke, the running game is nonexistent, star RB Braelon Allen doesn’t make any kind of impact, the passing game isn’t effective and the defense seems allergic to QB pressure for large chunks of time.”

“If this isn’t rock bottom as a Wisconsin fan, then I don’t know what is. I’m not just embarrassed for myself. I’m embarrassed for my dad and every other person who wears the red and white.”


https://twitter.com/Outkick/status/1723689601326596570
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 12, 2023, 09:56:39 AM
gonna be a helluva game Saturday
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on November 12, 2023, 10:19:51 AM
Fickell is doing much better than Rich Rod did his first year at Michigan.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 12, 2023, 10:23:33 AM
Fickell is doing much better than Rich Rod did his first year at Michigan.
yeah, it's way too early to make any judgement on Fickell. It's year 1 of a rebuild. I thought that Wisconsin would be better year 1 just because the West is so weak, but it's a complete rebuild with a new coach. It'll take some time. Can't make any real judgements until year 3 imo. 

RichRod would've been so much better off trying to keep Ryan Mallett around and running an Air Raid instead of trying to go full on read option spread. Or if he would've just landed Terrelle Pryor year 1 to run his system then maybe Michigan might not've sucked so hard year 1. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 12, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
Coach Fickell (excerpts only - paywall):

Opening statement
“Don’t have much of a statement...That was embarrassing. I'll take the blame of it, for not having the guys ready in any phase of the game. There’s not a whole lot that can be said, or that I can say.


I’ll answer questions, but we need to figure out what we need to do to move forward.”


On how to find out who wants to be here

“We’ll find out this week.”

Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 12, 2023, 11:09:17 AM
I'm expecting 20-30 players hitting the portal when it opens.

(https://i.imgur.com/POlF8ym.png)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 12, 2023, 11:26:33 AM
There is a good amount of credible chatter that Fickell will part ways with OC Phil Longo after the season.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 12, 2023, 11:50:05 AM
yeah, it's way too early to make any judgement on Fickell. It's year 1 of a rebuild. I thought that Wisconsin would be better year 1 just because the West is so weak, but it's a complete rebuild with a new coach. It'll take some time. Can't make any real judgements until year 3 imo.
THIS - NEED at least 3 full seasons to get a guage on things.They definitely don't need a revolving door up in Madison even in the era of the portal recruits want/need something solid to latch onto
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 13, 2023, 08:34:37 AM
Not good.

(https://i.imgur.com/9RFaVsS.png)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 13, 2023, 08:51:38 AM
Not good.

(https://i.imgur.com/9RFaVsS.png)
No.  It’s not. Very unlike Wisconsin, very unlike a Fickel team.

Change in coaches, change in schemes, decimating injuries-  A lot to deal with at one time.  Give him time. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 13, 2023, 08:57:42 AM
I'm not calling for a change with Fickell.

I do question the coordinators (putting square pegs in round holes) and a lot of the players' effort (lack of).

Most of these kids are the same ones who quit on their coach last year. Those gotta go.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on November 13, 2023, 09:01:10 AM
I usually think of Wisconsin football as gritty kids from the iron range who overperform like Rudy.  The notion ANY might show up a minute late for practice is not something I'd expect, at all.  Fickell may have to law down some lay, as they say around here.

I think the fans would prefer all out effort to perhaps more talented kids mailing it in.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 13, 2023, 09:25:14 AM
The Wisconsin OL has more 4-5* kids than it's ever had, and they suck.

I'll take the road graders from Door County and the tri-County area around Lake Winnebago, etc. Those kids just want to kick ass.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on November 13, 2023, 09:28:22 AM
Teach them to eat off the floor.

Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 13, 2023, 09:53:08 AM
hah, the good ones been eating off the floor since they learned to crawl

those kids teach the 4 star kids
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on November 21, 2023, 01:17:09 PM
Get your tickets

https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/1727024948915712204?t=vkmIox8pw-xwtwaOdGo82A&s=19
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on November 21, 2023, 01:20:43 PM
So, Wisky could go anywhere from 8-5, which would be considered decent, to 5-7, which would not.  That's a large swing for a first year coach and perceptions.

I believe in at least three years for a new coach, and more than that if year 3 shows some promise and recruiting looks solid.

Billy Napier for example is going to be on the HS if next year doesn't improve and if their recruiting falls off (which it seems to be doing).
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 21, 2023, 02:17:44 PM
Get your tickets

https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/1727024948915712204?t=vkmIox8pw-xwtwaOdGo82A&s=19
(https://i.imgur.com/aFH5cRG.png)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2023, 10:45:47 AM
Pretty quiet in Madison right now. Staff made a couple of portal "offers" this week.

No word on anyone leaving yet - players or staff changes.

I can think of about 20 players who might leave.

The window officially opens on Monday 12/4 for the FBS level. It closes in 1/2/24, which is too early, in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 28, 2023, 01:24:55 PM
Let them go lot of good kids would like to go if they knew what the program was like.Have your welcome wagon introduce them provided NIL bagmen can quit beckoning
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2023, 05:09:53 PM
Braelon Allen to the NFL.

Very late round at best. Likely UDFA in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2023, 08:43:45 AM
Lots of rumblings in Madison right now. With that comes speculation. 

Coach is trying to hold onto 4-5 players. Coach is contemplating a shakeup in the staff. Players thinking about declaring.

Buckle up.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2023, 11:27:44 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/74S3PT8.png)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on December 04, 2023, 05:08:41 PM
Top two WRs from 2022 in the portal. 

Neither really found traction in the new offense. Was a little surprised about that. I think drops were a big issue, but need to check. 
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 04, 2023, 05:18:13 PM
could be as easy as they gave the new staff a chance and that chance didn't work out in their favor
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 05, 2023, 07:51:09 AM
Top two WRs from 2022 in the portal.

Neither really found traction in the new offense. Was a little surprised about that. I think drops were a big issue, but need to check.
Bell couldn't catch a cold this season, which is weird, because he used to catch everything.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 05, 2023, 07:51:24 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/2Bar5xs.png)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 05, 2023, 07:53:58 AM
I'm thinking between 7-12 more between now and the Fall. 

Maybe even more.

(https://i.imgur.com/ITdEnlK.png)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 06, 2023, 10:25:13 AM
The rumblings are getting louder in Madison.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2023, 08:47:16 AM
Outstanding hire for Luke Fickell.

(https://i.imgur.com/45SZTda.png)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2023, 10:46:56 AM
Up to 12 going out.

(https://i.imgur.com/uYe4Be9.png)

Turner is from Michigan, so MSU makes sense here. Wedig was recruited to Madison by Bob Bostad, who is now at Indiana. Dike had a good connection with Graham Mertz.

I think a lot of these kids may have played their last football and also gave up a free degree.

Incoming:

(https://i.imgur.com/BUWDCl8.png)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2023, 11:10:37 AM
too much turnover in my opinion

but, not nearly as much as Coach Prime
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2023, 11:38:29 AM
New staff, new systems. It was bound to happen.

I still think we see more after Spring Ball and Fall camp.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on December 27, 2023, 11:46:14 AM
If you couldn't find a place to contribute on UW's offense or defense this year, and you don't just have a ton of potential, you might just not be it. (Or if you think you're owed a starting spot when you are not)
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2023, 12:31:09 PM
If you couldn't find a place to contribute on UW's offense or defense this year, and you don't just have a ton of potential, you might just not be it. (Or if you think you're owed a starting spot when you are not)
This is where I'm at. All of these transfers out were predicable. Except maybe Wedig. I thought he could find a spot to play. He played more snaps on OL than any other non-starter. Played in all 12 games.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on December 29, 2023, 01:32:36 AM
I am thinking Paul Chryst, > 50% chance of being Iowa OC.
Title: Re: 2023 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 29, 2023, 08:50:32 AM
I still think we see more after Spring Ball and Fall camp.
:o :bluegrab: