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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MikeDeTiger on December 05, 2022, 01:11:24 PM
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Purdue vs. LSU in the Citrus.
I thought they showed well in the B1GCG against Michigan.
Starting this thread to keep a running bookmark of updates, opt-outs, etc.
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LSU by 30 - "OaM"
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Will be the first meeting between the two teams, apparently.
Neat.
The Fighting Drew Brees' vs. The Brees-Proximity Squad
I assume the winner of this game gets permanent custody of #good QB Danny Etling*
*"Danny Etling is a good QB" is a reference most outside Baton Rouge probably wouldn't get
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a plethora of things most outside Baton Rouge probably wouldn't get
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I try to stay away from most things inside Baton Rouge.
Other than the food, of course.
bwar is a boiler but he hasn't been around this season.
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JHetfield comes by from time to time.
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WR Boutte announced his return, so I assume he won't be sitting out the bowl. That's good for us, I guess.
Line is currently lsu -6.5 to -8 depending on where I look.
I don't know much about Purdue other than what I saw in the Big Ten CG.
I feel like any team with a full scholarship roster has an advantage over us. Depth is such a big part of the game and we just don't have it.
If O'Connell can throw, we don't have a very good secondary. We've been good against the run, unless they can't stay off the field in which case they wear down in second halves.
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Purdue just lost it's coach to Louisville. Wonder if Purdue's star WR Charlie Jones sits this one out and preps for the NFL Draft.
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WOW good question hope he's insured otherwise Jake Butt and Jalyn Smith say hello
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I know that Jones had accepted an invite to the Senior Bowl, so it would seem odd to play in that one and then sit out the bowl game.
Granted, who knows what happens after today.
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I know that Jones had accepted an invite to the Senior Bowl, so it would seem odd to play in that one and then sit out the bowl game.
Granted, who knows what happens after today.
That's a lot kinder, like a glorified Pro Bowl. Plus you work with NFL coaches the whole week in practice (which is more important than the game)
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kinda feel bad for Purdue, think Brohm was the best coach they’ve had in a minnnnute. I really think he might actually be underrated as a coach. Some of those plays he was calling vs Michigan were hellaciously awesome. Dude is a demon play caller.
If he starts getting elite players at Louisville- which I think he will given the NIL program they have and some of the guys they have in the ‘23 class- gonna be fun to watch. Right now Louisville has 5* #1 RB and 4* top 100 player at WR and a 4* top 247 QB. Brohm gets guys like that every class they’re gonna be fun to watch play offense.
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Some of those plays he was calling vs Michigan were hellaciously awesome. Dude is a demon play caller.
I hated how Joel Klatt (who still always sucks at his job) kept saying Purdue had nothing to lose, when they'd call a play. No. Purdue was playing for a Rose Bowl vs. the who gives a F*** Bowl.
If anything Michigan had nothing to lose. As TCU proved, Michigan would have still been #2, win or lose. It's a stupid cliché that announcers who are bad at their job overuse
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The cliche that is really getting old these days, and every talking head/jabber jock/announcer does it as a cheap Segway to the point that they were trying to make once they realize that they are just rambling, they'll hit you with a "At the end of the day..." then they finally cut to the chase. Some of them will even say it multiple times in the same segment.
They need to invent a thesaurus for overused phrases.
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I hated how Joel Klatt (who still always sucks at his job) kept saying Purdue had nothing to lose, when they'd call a play. No. Purdue was playing for a Rose Bowl vs. the who gives a F*** Bowl.
If anything Michigan had nothing to lose. As TCU proved, Michigan would have still been #2, win or lose. It's a stupid cliché that announcers who are bad at their job overuse
agree 100% on this entire post lol. I've said it as well that I'm not really a fan of Klatt. Others here seem to really like him. I guess he's the best of a bunch of bad guys going right now. Maybe I just miss the GOAT Keith Jackson (RIP) and am holding everyone else to an unrealistic gold standard lol.
https://youtu.be/VYjjPIsMDlU
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Keith Jackson will never be matched.
As a UM fan growing up, he called all the ups and downs of my childhood.
"Goodbye, hello Heisman!"
"He's got three people down there, the ball is up in the air, touchdown! Caught by Westbrook for a touchdown!"
"Woodsons got one block, another block, one more and he's gone...touchdown, no flags!"
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Honestly all the excitement for this game is now gone given the coaching situation. Purdue fans usually travel pretty good for these, but the general sentiment Im getting now is the Boilers won't be ready to compete.
Jeff Brohm is off to Louisville. Word is the entire offensive staff is following him.
His brother, Brian Brohm (OC/QB), was nice enough to volunteer to stay back a few weeks, and has been named interim coach for the Citrus Bowl.
QB Aidan O'Connell and WR Charlie Jones are toss ups at the moment. Both are looking at playing at the next level, so I wouldnt be surprised if they opted out. If that happens, Purdue doesn't stand a chance.
And of course we are still waiting to see the fallout from the current roster after the coaching change.
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https://youtu.be/VYjjPIsMDlU
Ya well he never got one of these,but his program got 1/2 of one 25 yrs ago so regale away
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Honestly all the excitement for this game is now gone given the coaching situation. Purdue fans usually travel pretty good for these, but the general sentiment Im getting now is the Boilers won't be ready to compete.
Ya kind of a shit show and a shame it's the way things are breaking now
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Yeah, it was a pretty tough draw for them to begin with, and now they have to play LSU in a bowl game with no HC? Brutal.
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Competition in the ACC and for recruits around L'ville is a lot easier than trying to win with UW,UNL getting new staffs and having the facilities and the means along with Iowa/Goophs.And Mdot is right it'll just get tougher if/when the LA schools come in.The Boilers would get shoved into the east Brohm left at the height of his success there and prolly would have declined looking forward
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I was looking at BK's record vs Purdue, because I recall Purdue losing to Cincy and Central Michigan a time or three, and amazingly he didn't face Purdue at either school.
He was 6-0 vs Purdue at ND, but 2 of those wins were vacated by ND in 2012 and 13. Anyone know why? I don't remember them being on probation or anything. The wind thing?
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Not sure but that makes sense why but no sense to actually remove wins
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They went undefeated in 2012, and played in the NCG. Did they vacate any other wins? Weird.
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Yeah, it was a pretty tough draw for them to begin with, and now they have to play LSU in a bowl game with no HC? Brutal.
Hard to imagine them getting any worse off than A&M was this year, and that did not work out well for us.
The worse things get for Purdue, the less I like this matchup.
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They used academically ineligible players, so they vacated all of their 2012 and 2013 wins. Which actually makes 2013 MSU undefeated
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Hard to imagine them getting any worse off than A&M was this year, and that did not work out well for us.
The worse things get for Purdue, the less I like this matchup.
Man, that was a REALLY bad loss. The ags were just pitiful this year. They struggled against UMass. Oof.
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Weren't they one of the preseason favs to win it all?
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yup, because of starz
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Man, that was a REALLY bad loss. The ags were just pitiful this year. They struggled against UMass. Oof.
It really was. Especially considering they had to know they'd likely be in the Sugar Bowl for a NY6 game if they take care of business, even with a loss to UGA in the CG.
A&M is deeper and more talented than us right now, and were preseason darlings for a reason, and since there was not an obvious reason for their struggles I figured they could put a game together at any time....just hate that it was us. Taking nothing away from their superior depth and talent, we still played the most listless, uninspired football I've seen in a long time, and I think we still could've beaten them if we'd brought the right attitude.
Hopefully there's a lesson learned there. And hopefully the beatdown in the SECCG was good experience on a big stage. Sucks, but you always hope the young guys coming back will benefit from experiences like that.
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LSU had a weird year indeed, they edged Alabama, great, got hammered at home by Tenn, beat the Miss teams, good, lost to FSU by a missed PAT, then lost to A&M while winning the SEC W. Got down 35-7 to UGA and made a comback to make it look more even.
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It has been reported that Purdue O-Coordinator Brian Brohm is leaving Purdue to join his brother at Louisville. I thought he would be the top candidate for head coach at Purdue, especially after being name interim head coach. He is sticking around for Purdue's bowl game.
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Lots of things happening fast at Purdue right now.
Insiders say Brian Brohm has been trying to convince Purdue AD Bobinski to hire Jim Leonhard at HC, keep Brian Brohm as OC, and retain Mark Hagen as DC. Very strange. It's reported that Brian was not in the Brohm family decision making circle (the inner circle is Jeff, Greg, Oscar and Brady...wtf!). Apparently Brian may be wanting to go off on his own here, even though Jeff has already named him part of the Louisville staff.
Bobinski is not convinced though. He is viewing this as an opportunity to make a statement. Todd Monken (Georgia OC) and Kalen DeBoer (Washington HC) are supposedly at the top of the list now. Bobinski plans to wrap this up ASAP.
Purdue DC Mark Hagen wants to stay at Purdue, even though Jeff Brohm made a strong attempt to bring him to Louisville. Retaining Hagen is critical for Purdue. He is their best defensive recruiter. He is the reason Purdue's DL made major improvements, and had excellent 2 deep depth. Also literally the top 5 rated players in Purdue's 2023 recruiting class are all DL, and were recruited by Hagen.
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Purdue football could prioritize Todd Monken in head coaching search (dawgnation.com) (https://www.dawgnation.com/football/purdue-todd-monken/HNSTIT3L4JCETA27OJDDD6LPLQ/?fbclid=IwAR2IssjDE9ZtMNWQHtpUdADf90mkItuFkFd4Rp8asHIJvfVdOURxhYgDvT0)
I figure Monken will be headed out, if not this year, then soon. I think he's a pretty good OC, usually.
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Insiders say Brian Brohm has been trying to convince Purdue AD Bobinski to hire Jim Leonhard at HC, keep Brian Brohm as OC, and retain Mark Hagen as DC.
that would be really smart move to make and especially if it was made fast. Most AD's are not that smart however.
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Jim Leonhard at HC could be a great hire
with no previous experience, there's no way to know
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Purdue had a last minute candidate jump in. Rumor is Kliff Kingsbury. I'm not sold on Kliff. His resume from Texas Tech is not impressive, and that was with Patrick Mahomes. He seemed to have Arizona rolling, but then completely collapsed.
Looks like Kalen DeBoer is staying in Washington. His buy out is $10M+, which Purdue was going to pay. Shows how serious this admin has gotten toward football.
I'm hearing Chris Kleiman is on the short list.
Tyson Helton (Western Kentucky) is also on the short list.
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Edge rusher BJ Ojulari declared for the draft. Not a big surprise. No word yet on if he's planning to play in the bowl game.
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Corey Trice to sit out the bowl game for Purdue. That's a pretty big hit to the defense.
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Corey Trice to sit out the bowl game for Purdue. That's a pretty big hit to the defense.
It's also a chance for his replacement to get useful PT, which could be more important than a bowl win.
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I'm hearing the Purdue coaching search is down to Shane Beamer (South Carolina HC) and Ryan Walters (Illinois DC). Waiting to see if USCe can match Purdue. Of course, there is always the possibility Beamer is using this to leverage a pay raise.
They are also trying to get Jamarcus Sheppard on board as OC, and retain Mark Hagen.
Sheppard is also a fall back option as HC. Along with Tyson Helton (Western Kentucky HC).
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I hope they pluck Walters
Bert don't need to have that good of a defense in the west
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Purdue has hired Ryan Walters from Illinois
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Will he coach the bowl?
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WR Jenkins declares for draft and opts out of the bowl. Normally wouldn't even be a question, because he's been at LSU 5 years, but he had a year of eligibility left d/t the covid year.
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Will he coach the bowl?
No. He will still coach at Illinois through their bowl game.
Hagen (old DC) is going with Brohm to Louisville.
So, as far as I know, it is still Brian Brohm coaching the bowl game, but I can't imagine that there wont be a little bad blood there.
Frankly, as of this moment, I'll be surprised if Purdue keeps it within 2 touchdowns.
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While Hagen is going to Louisville, he is staying behind to coach the bowl game.
And yes, Brian Brohm is the interim HC for the bowl.
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So for Purdue, DB Cory Trice is out, WR Charlie Jones is out, G Spencer Holsteg has entered the portal and presumably out, C Gus Hartwig having surgery and is out.
QB Aidan O'Connell is undecided, but presumed in. It's also rumored that he may be able to talk Charlie Jones into playing.
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WR Charlie Jones is out
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Where did you see this? Is that premium board info or something?
I haven't seen anything on the inter-webs that has made that declaration official.
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Word is he wants to rest his injuries. Nothing official yet though.
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Coach Walters will not be with Illinois for their Bowl Game. He will be with Purdue, monitoring practices, out recruiting, and assembling his staff.
His first move was a team meeting, giving RB Mockabee a scholarship.
Brian Brohm will call plays for the offense and be acting HC, with Mark Hagen calling plays for the defense.
Gotta agree with Grillrat, I'd be surprised if Purdue keeps this within 2 scores.
However, some interesting tidbits from inside the program...
Apparently there was mass attrition at hand. Sources close to the players are saying half the team does not care at all that Jeff Brohm is gone. Supposedly a bunch of players were going to jump in the portal had Brohm stayed on to coach in 2023. Purdue is also expecting some academic casualties.
It was no secret Brohm was going to Louisville. There's some smoke out there that had the UL job not opened up, Brohm was going to retire and wait on it. Also some smoke that strings were pulled to make the job available. I'm sure Satterfield knew and parleyed it into the Cincinnati job.
Looking back on the season, it makes sense. Purdue should have never lost that Syracuse game (even though the officials were atrocious). The Boilers had undisciplined penalties in a lot of games. Purdue was completely out of focus vs. Iowa and Wisconsin.
I'm hearing the players like Brian Brohm. He has also never really called games, even though he has the OC title, it was always Jeff calling plays (except vs Iowa in 2020 when Jeff had COVID, which was a win).
So maybe this team loosens up a bit and goes out with a bang. I'm only an hour from the Citrus Bowl and still debating on going.
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An hour?
You gotta go.
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Ed Zachery
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I think teams should view a bowl game as mostly a way to reward its players and get significant PT for next year's starters. Maybe the few remaining major bowls are worth a real effort to win (or not), but think of it as a preseason game for next year ....
Winning is less important.
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if yer gonna flip the coin and kick it off
play to win
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I don't think anyone has ever suggested that a team doesn't want to win once the coin is flipped.
I do believe there are disparities in the way coaches and players approach the preparation for bowl games, compared to regular season games.
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These days most bowl games obviously are assuming less and less "importance" in terms of winning, in my view. Team A has critical opt outs and Team B does not, and wins. What does that mean, to anything? Team B got to try out next year's players in a "real game" (of sorts).
In a couple years, this will be even more the case. Playing next year's starters could win a game or two next year.
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so, the regular season IS important?
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I think a chance to win an extra game next season is more important than winning a minor bowl game, yes, though my point is arguable on the merits. For teams like Purdue, a lot of outcomes are within one score and a slight tilt is the difference between 10-2 and 7-5.
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Frankly, as of this moment, I'll be surprised if Purdue keeps it within 2 touchdowns.
We still don't have word on what our QB will do, and if he opts into the draft, he could opt not to play. Of course, he doesn't have to make a decision to enter the draft until after the bowl, I think.
Also, if Purdue has a full roster, there's always that. About 14 or 15 of our starting 22 are really pretty good. But with only 70 scholly players, LSU has at times lacked the depth to play their A-game for 4 quarters. All Purdue has to do is make a game of it into the second half (not a hard feat since LSU has been a poor first-half team) and they can make things tough on the Tigers just by rotating in fresh bodies.
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Update on Purdue:
QB Aidan O'Connell, TE Payne Durham, WR Charlie Jones and LB Jalen Graham all did not practice.
Jaken Graham looks to be academically disqualified. That's a big hurt as he's the best player on defense. Combine that with Trice not playing....not good.
There is also another unnamed defensive player that needs to make it through finals week, or else could face academic disqualification.
Some cool news...Drew Brees is joining the Purdue coaching staff for the Citrus Bowl. Presumably to coach QBs.
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We still don't have word on what our QB will do, and if he opts into the draft, he could opt not to play. Of course, he doesn't have to make a decision to enter the draft until after the bowl, I think.
Also, if Purdue has a full roster, there's always that. About 14 or 15 of our starting 22 are really pretty good. But with only 70 scholly players, LSU has at times lacked the depth to play their A-game for 4 quarters. All Purdue has to do is make a game of it into the second half (not a hard feat since LSU has been a poor first-half team) and they can make things tough on the Tigers just by rotating in fresh bodies.
Jayden Daniels would have to be crazy declare for the draft. But the Richardson kid at Florida just did, so I guess most of these kids think they are way better than they actually are.
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Some cool news...Drew Brees is joining the Purdue coaching staff for the Citrus Bowl. Presumably to coach QBs.
That is really cool. I bet he'd be a hell of a coach if he ever got into it full-time.
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Jayden Daniels would have to be crazy declare for the draft. But the Richardson kid at Florida just did, so I guess most of these kids think they are way better than they actually are.
What kind of contract does a 7th rounder get these days? $2 million a year?
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Jayden Daniels would have to be crazy declare for the draft. But the Richardson kid at Florida just did, so I guess most of these kids think they are way better than they actually are.
Due to the NIL + xfer options rather than just leaving for the NFL, this is said to be a very thin QB class, and several projections have Daniels as the 5th QB taken this year, should he leave. It's not projected to be so thin other years, in which case--without improvement--he wouldn't be that high in the pecking order. If he leaves, that's why. Potentially he can go higher now than he will in the future.
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What kind of contract does a 7th rounder get these days? $2 million a year?
See above.
The 5th QB isn't going to be a 7th rounder.
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the question still stands
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NFL Draft Salaries: How Much Do 4th-7th Round Picks Make? | Heavy.com (https://heavy.com/sports/2020/04/nfl-draft-rookie-salary-4-5-6-7-rounds/)
They get around $600,000 per year. A 5th rounder gets about a mil per year.
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Now, imagine you're a college QB with no interest in getting a degree, but you can take the next step and realistically earn $600,000 x 4 over four years ...
After that, your options become rather limited of course.
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NFL Draft Salaries: How Much Do 4th-7th Round Picks Make? | Heavy.com (https://heavy.com/sports/2020/04/nfl-draft-rookie-salary-4-5-6-7-rounds/)
They get around $600,000 per year. A 5th rounder gets about a mil per year.
so, if you can move up a round or two, it's an easy decision
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I think any QB in college without a major NIL deal and who is eligible for the draft would consider leaving, even if he's a 5-6-7 rounder. Another factor is what next year's class looks to be. There is risk with staying in college obviously (and maybe you move up a couple rounds if you do).
For a QB who is 6'2" plus with a strong arm, I think teams would give them a shot even if they don't look great in college.
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Purdue QB Aidan O'Connell will opt out of Citrus Bowl and prepare for NFL draft.
With AOC out, you can expect TE Payne Durham and WR Charlie Jones to opt out as well.
That should just about do it for the Purdue offense and defense. I really don't think this will be competitive at all after about 1.5 quarters.
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I still think you should go.
How many LSU players are sitting out?
Bowl games are becoming a laughingstock now. It's a damn shame too.
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yup, I'll be in the Fort Worth area over Xmas and through the 30th
if the Huskers were playing in the First Responders bowl
Gerald J. Ford Stadium in Dallas
I'd make my brother drive us to the game
it's gotta be over an hour and he just hates Dallas traffic
I'd treat it like a early spring practice game
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I still think you should go.
How many LSU players are sitting out?
Bowl games are becoming a laughingstock now. It's a damn shame too.
Only one for sure that I know of so, but there are likely to be more. I think no matter what Daniels does, he'll play the bowl if his ankle is better.
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Bowl games are becoming a laughingstock now. It's a damn shame too.
And that will become more evident in two years. That's why I view it as a kind of vacation for the players, a chance to try out your lineup next year, and some practice. As a HC, I basically would play my projected starters next year and treat it almost as a spring game, and exhibition. If my seniors really wanted to play some, I'd certainly reward them. And sure, I'd try to win within those parameters.
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no wonder you're not a bigtime head coach
way to practical
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Well, that and the fact I really know little about football....
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Well, that and the fact I really know little about football....
Calling BS. If that was true, you'd work for ESPN
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I'm pretty sure I could easily work for ESPN and make a go of it.
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I could possibly make it on ESPN radio
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I could possibly make it on ESPN radio
Yeah you definitely have the face for it.
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Has Barry tried to strong arm himself into coaching Wisconsin's bowl game?
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I'm guessing Brees' best value to the program is as a recruiter
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I'm guessing Brees' best value to the program is as a recruiter
He could recommend a good dermatologist
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I saw that Purdue is now asking a high school team in Lafayette to represent it in the bowl game ...
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Has Barry tried to strong arm himself into coaching Wisconsin's bowl game?
Fick is coaching the game, but it would be great for the King to get another win.
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Calling BS. If that was true, you'd work for ESPN
This makes me very sad.
I'm forever calling for a flag prior to the officials throwing it, the announcers mentioning it, and generally spouting statistics and records off the top of my head several seconds before they say the exact same thing, or outlining a rule about a play that just happened for Mrs. DeTiger shortly before the talking heads do it......and she's always saying I missed my calling as a football sports analyst.
Now I know that she's been insulting me to my face all this time. Time to find a good divorce attorney.
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Looks like DT Mekhi Wingo is the only D-line starter that will be playing the bowl. The DL is already perilously thin.
This is shaping up to be quite a yawner.
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Yep....yawner.
I don't know much what to take from that for either team, other than I hope Purdue's WR is okay. Purdue was missing so much of its regular season makeup, that probably can't be counted as the same team. Our team is so young we only had a few opt-outs. The D-line was newish, but LSU pretty much fielded its regular team.
I could be wrong about this, but I thought I heard Sage Ryan (defender) say something to the Purdue WR who got hurt that was pretty not-good while getting up. Obviously before he knew the guy was injured, but it doesn't matter. If he said what I think he said, there's no place for that. That particular level of mouthiness may be a holdover from the Orgeron era and may slowly go away, but one thing I'd like to see change in our culture is that our DBs have been mouthy for years when they make a play, and I hope that gets better with a coach bigger on discipline. I'm fine with waving your arms, or wagging the index finger in a uh-uh, no-no kind of way, but the jawing at opposing players has been too much for our dbs for a while now.
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This makes me very sad.
I'm forever calling for a flag prior to the officials throwing it, the announcers mentioning it, and generally spouting statistics and records off the top of my head several seconds before they say the exact same thing, or outlining a rule about a play that just happened for Mrs. DeTiger shortly before the talking heads do it......and she's always saying I missed my calling as a football sports analyst.
Now I know that she's been insulting me to my face all this time. Time to find a good divorce attorney.
My friend was flabergasted how often Todd Blackledge would echo my exact words during a game. I told him that's how it is every game.
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I heard this is Purdue's 3rd bowl defeat by at least 44 points. This one tied the largest in bowl history
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I saw that Purdue is now asking a high school team in Lafayette to represent it in the bowl game ...
I guess they found one
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As Purdue's new HC was being interviewed in the booth I realized there was a sort of symetry to the Tiger's last bowl game.
Last year a historically depleted lsu team got whipped against K-State, with an interim coach. Kelly was interviewed in the booth as his new team was taking a beating down on the field. It was strikingly similar to when the new Boilermaker coach was speaking with the broadcast crew, watching his new depleted team getting whupped, under an interim coach.
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Not an ideal day for Purdue fans all around
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I could be wrong about this, but I thought I heard Sage Ryan (defender) say something to the Purdue WR who got hurt that was pretty not-good while getting up. Obviously before he knew the guy was injured, but it doesn't matter. If he said what I think he said, there's no place for that.
I heard the same, as did many Purdue fans. Yes, he said what you think he said. Lol.
As for the game, any Purdue fan that has been paying attention should have known this was coming.
Aside from 8/10 of the best Purdue players missing, the biggest hit came from losing the coaching staff.
Despite what some may believe, acting HC Brian Brohm did not call plays as Purdue OC (except vs Iowa in 2020). Jeff called the plays. Acting DC Mark Hagen also never called plays as Co-DC.
So basically you had 2 guys in there calling plays that have never done so before, and they did it with only half a coaching staff, as everyone else was in Louisville.
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Re: Any Purdue fans here?
Not anymore. Hopefully their fans will be back next season.
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My friend was flabergasted how often Todd Blackledge would echo my exact words during a game. I told him that's how it is every game.
Eww....I don't want to have things in common with you. Take it back.